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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, right, every week you got a grind,

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Speaker 1: Gay present, conversations with a legend, best of show and

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Speaker 1: now here's LeVar Arrington.

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Speaker 3: Got my man, Steve Jackson with me on the show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming in joining the show man, having a

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Speaker 3: How's life been, man, How you doing well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you person for having me man. I grew up

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Speaker 2: Because you realize all the things that's not in your

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of times people have to overcome

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about how you have.

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Speaker 4: Oh? I think I think I sent myself apart.

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Speaker 2: I remember in college we used to get some of

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Speaker 4: So it's dope.

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Speaker 2: do I overcome the next circumstance of my life? So motivational.

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Speaker 2: I sold closed in high school to get by, but

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Speaker 2: it's helping tell the story and motivating that next generation

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Speaker 2: to keep going.

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Speaker 3: True true, I love that. So Obs, make sure you

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Speaker 3: go to OBS brand.

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Speaker 1: That is, yes, sir, Obs, Yeah, make sure y'all go.

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Speaker 3: We'll put that up and push that out.

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Speaker 1: Uh, looking at the league, now, what's your what's your

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Speaker 1: take on it?

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Speaker 3: Because it was it.

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Speaker 1: Was still it was still bang bang, you know, back

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Speaker 1: then it was still it was still a whole lot

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Speaker 1: more physicality connected to it. You just talking about, you know,

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Speaker 1: some of the things that you got to get addressed,

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Speaker 1: you know, health wise and stuff like that. Before we

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Speaker 1: even started the interview, bro, we was thumping back then

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Speaker 1: like it was bumping grind back then.

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Speaker 3: The game has still has some dogs.

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Speaker 1: But largely it's it's a it's an evolved it's a

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Speaker 1: changed approach, it's a changed physicality total overall to how

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Speaker 1: the game is played, how you think you would have

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Speaker 1: done into days NFL.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think just the sharedness of they don't

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Speaker 2: hit in practice, right, I think that says that saves

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Speaker 2: and probably left in my career another two or three

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Speaker 2: seasons where you know, I had some of these coaches,

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Speaker 2: they'll come into the team because we were bad the

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Speaker 2: year before.

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Speaker 4: And then they got to toughing you up.

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Speaker 2: So I'm I mean, I'm living, I'm live practice, right,

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Speaker 2: and then now I have to go out on Sunday

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Speaker 2: and do it again and entertain that in itself.

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Speaker 4: I think length is my career. I mean, I'm more dominant.

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Speaker 2: The game is spread out and uh and I don't

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Speaker 2: I still don't know how officials are calling this crown

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Speaker 2: of the helmet thing right, So interesting enough. I think

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Speaker 2: the league has been intentions of protecting people, but at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, you can't guarantee anything. So

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Speaker 2: what I challenge the league and say is take care

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Speaker 2: of the guys afterwards and let the game be what

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Speaker 2: it is. It's physical. It's a physical game, and you

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Speaker 2: know those are choosing to play, we live with that.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting and I like that because, as you're right,

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Speaker 1: take care of the guys. This is conversations with a

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Speaker 1: Legend presented by up on Game Presents. Man, y'all been

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Speaker 1: blessed today, dope, dude, I've been excited about the opportunity

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Speaker 1: of pursuing to get the interview with you, and it's

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Speaker 1: great to hear from you, continued success to you, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: like we're gonna put this out there because people need

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Speaker 1: they hear the positivity, they need to feel the energy

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Speaker 1: of Juggernauts that have played this game but are humble warriors. Man,

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Speaker 1: You're a humble warrior, and you know I appreciate your

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Speaker 1: approach to to what you do and how you do

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Speaker 1: it and anyway we can support you. Were going to

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Speaker 1: continue to support you, man, So we'll probably most likely

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Speaker 1: be in contact with you to make sure we can.

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Speaker 3: We could do just that.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. That means a lot to me.

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Speaker 1: My man Steve Jackson, y'all uh, formerly of the Rams,

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Speaker 1: The Saint Louis Rams played for want to say the Falcons, right,

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Speaker 1: and I know you ended up with with Belichick.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll do another one.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a whole conversation on that too, because uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's always.

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Speaker 3: An interesting one.

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Speaker 1: But I got we got, we got some interesting stuff,

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Speaker 1: but we got time. We probably circle up at some

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Speaker 1: point and dude, do it again.

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Speaker 4: I would love that man, play it any time, My man.

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Speaker 1: Next time. We might do it. We might do it

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Speaker 1: in person, you know what I mean. You never know,

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Speaker 1: we might do it in on the face to face.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, let's do that. That happened, man.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Man, all right, you'd be well you

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 4: Thanks,