WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 4/16: "My Guys" on Defense, Latest Draft Buzz 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.080 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:17.880 Lazar and Alex Barth. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:19.880 And Lazar. 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:23.440 Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bara. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.360 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar Okay, so let's 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:32.080 do early day three and late day so you can 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:36.960 get to that. Ted Johnson is I still believe. I 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.280 will not quit Tesz Johnson. I will not quit. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:41.640 Right there, I will not quit. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.319 I won't quit test Johnson like I'm gonna's strategy. I'm 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.880 gonna go down with the ship with Ted Johnson. I'm 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:51.640 not wrong until I'm wrong, right. Isn't that one of 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.960 your your shows like that, that's one of your your 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.400 staples committed. 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.000 That's big vulgar thing. R Waiver on Michael Pennox last 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:02.160 year and read me the Riot Act. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.600 But until you're wrong, you're not wrong. That's a big take. 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.760 I know Felger sometimes has, so I'm just saying I'm 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.759 not wrong yet. On tedes Johnson, he could be really 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:15.360 good in the NFL. We don't know yet. Yeah, and 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.560 that's the case with all these guys, I suppose. But hello, everybody, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.640 welcome in Patriots Catch twenty two, eight days, eight days, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.120 ago till the NFL. Who's counting, Alex, I am counting 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.200 at this point, Let's get there, let's get the picks made, 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.520 and let's figure out who's going to be Patriots out 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.160 of this class. But eight days to go to the draft. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.640 It's very exciting time with the draft. I feel like 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.520 all the hay is almost there. We're almost in the 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.600 barn at this point, I would say, and we get 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:48.120 to the point now where we just are in the 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:52.880 middle of reading body languages at press conferences and lying 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:54.400 season and all that kind of stuff. 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:58.160 So well, as Mike Rabel said yesterday, like he talked about, 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.440 they're going through their running simulations to figure out what 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:01.960 they're gonna do. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.520 They refuse to call them mock drafts, even though that's 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:06.480 exactly what they are. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.680 Well, I think they're I think they're a little more involved. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.920 They're not they're not putting the PF. Maybe they are 0:02:10.960 --> 0:02:14.680 putting the PFL, but like you know, setting up certain trades. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:17.200 But I mean, we we used to on our old show, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:18.840 we used to do that exercise all the time, and 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.560 please this is ridiculous. Yeah, well we're now we're not 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:23.520 doing it to the same extent. They are, but it's 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.400 a it's a good sparing. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:29.360 Ourselves to the actual in GMS. Okay, but I do 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.240 love how every single GM gets up there and says, yeah, 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.720 we're we're running simulations. And I was like, you can 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.160 just say that you're doing mock drafts like that, that's 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:38.640 what simulations, that's what. 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:43.359 You're doing simulation. If they're not gonna call them mock drafts, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:46.560 maybe all start calling my mock draft simulation. Yes, paytris 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.399 to the simulation three point Patriots draft simulation. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.640 There you go. Now we're now, we're in the business. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.079 We're in the know. Anyways, before we get rolling here, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.280 support the home team. Join New England's events staff here 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:03.079 at Jilted Stadium. Seasonal positions available in food and beverage, parking, insecurity. 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:08.200 Visit www dot thecraft group dot com, slash careers and 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.120 apply today. Alex, you were a vendor at one point, 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:12.600 weren't you. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.280 I was in high school as a hawker. 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.600 You were a hawker here? That was my first explain 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.000 what that means. I don't know the hawkers. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.480 Are you see him out there? The guys in yellow 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.120 shirts that are so I didn't work in one of 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:26.880 the concession stands. I would have the bag of pizza 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:29.200 or water or whatever. I didn't sell beer. I wasn't 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:30.920 old enough when I worked here to sell beer, but 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.920 the bag of whatever over the shoulder. Get pizza here. 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.000 It wants pizza. And it was games concerts. That was 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:39.560 the first of three times I worked for. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.840 That's a that's incredible. That's a that's a great story, 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:44.920 you know. That's that's right up there with mister Kraft 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.720 being on the bleachers at the old Page Well, uh Sullivan, 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:52.840 you know whatever? What was it called again, shaffer Staium? 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:53.440 That was? 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.720 That was my first Patriots game that I went to. 0:03:57.200 --> 0:04:00.760 I worked as a hawker. Was what season did they 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.560 open it would have been I think it was twenty ten. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:05.560 Did they open against the Bengals? It was an opener 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:07.520 against the Bengals. That was my first game and I 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:07.960 was working. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.920 That's fascinating. Were you ever on the on the bleachers 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.240 at the old Foxborough Stadium? Did you get to a 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:14.960 game before they. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:16.680 Got for a Patriots game? 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:17.640 Okay? 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.799 I went for revs. Game and I think like maybe 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.159 why I was younger, maybe one or two other events, 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:23.080 but not a Patriots game. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.320 Okay, So I My very first game was at the 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.320 old Foxborough Stadium. It was a night game. I can't 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.560 tell you if it was Sunday or Monday night or whatever, 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.360 but it's a night game in the pouring rain against 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.200 I believe Aaron Brooks's New Orleans. 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:39.360 There you go, that's a poll. 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.240 Yeah, and it was pouring and I remember, you know, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.920 I couldn't have been more excited. I didn't care at 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.400 the time, but my parents were very worried about about 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.920 the weather and about you know, me getting soaked at 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.240 you know, at four or five years old. But it 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.279 was a good time. Anyways, enough down memory lane, let's 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:57.520 get in. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.440 Hang on. I found the game. It was against the Bengals. 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.800 I was right, twenty ten against the Bengals. Patriots won 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.240 thirty eight twenty four. I just want to see how 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.240 Brady did. Brady was twenty five to thirty five, two 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.120 fifty eight, three touchdowns, no picks. Ho hum, oh yeah, exactly. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:15.800 Home Wes Welker caught a couple of touchdowns. Good day. 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.440 I know that there's there's some helmet news today that 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.440 is I didn't even think we're gonna get in Tom 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:22.279 Brady adjacent. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.599 Wait, hang on, Carson Palmer. That came thirty four of 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.640 fifty three hundred and forty five yards. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.000 Two touchdowns, fifty attempts. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.839 It was a duel. There was some helmet news. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:32.840 There's some helmet news, but there Today is also the 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.960 twenty fifth anniversary of the day the Patriots drafted Tom Brady. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:37.560 Thought there was yesterday. 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.160 I think it's today in the in the sixth round. 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.000 But regardless of it is today or yesterday, Oh. 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.880 To day, because it's Belichick's birthday twenty. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:44.240 Five years ago. 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:47.320 Yeah, so, and it's also Bill belichicks o old man. 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.080 So happy birthday to the coach. 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:50.120 Birthday to Bill. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.000 There all that and all the pleasantries are out of there. 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.039 We we got a little installed generally. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.920 Let's get into the pre draft press conference yesterday. Both 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.039 of us were there with Mike Rabel at the podium, 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.680 and that was a pros pro press conference. He to me, 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.440 I know that everybody wants to read into everything and 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.159 read between the lines and look at body language. I 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.760 know is his left tackle answer. There's a lot of 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.200 body language doctors out there that are trying to decipher 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:23.040 what exactly his mood was towards the tackles. The way 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.080 I read it was that that was a pros pros 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.360 press conference. He gave nothing away a lot of words. 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.400 Well so nothing I would push back on. He gave 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.599 nothing away, very little. I think we learned a lot 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:39.720 about his big picture draft philosophy, and some of that 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:41.640 might just be because it's the first year we're covering 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.359 him doing a draft. And yeah, there wasn't much to 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.400 learn about Bill's draft loos fy at the end because 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.479 there was twenty years of data to go through, but 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:52.400 we didn't really get anything about this draft. These press 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.640 comms is the last few years, whether it was Elliot 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.240 wolfor Matt grow I remember walking out last year. I 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:58.599 think I said this to you when I wrote it 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:00.640 at the Times, you can go and find it. I 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.040 came out of that saying they're going quarterback, receiver, tackle, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.040 those are the whatever, whoever it is, that's the order. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.880 Because Wolf he talked about the depth of the tackle 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:12.800 class and said they liked the group they had. He 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.360 kind of hyped up their receivers and like I remember, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.800 he kind of laid it out the year before. They 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.600 talked about more in so many words, reliance on the 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.280 combine and what did we get we got a very 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.320 combine based draft. Yeah, so the last two years. This 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.520 press conference was very indicative, very telling. I felt like 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.560 we got quite a few answers to the test coming 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.560 away from that, I don't know that I again, I 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:38.800 think I have a better understanding of the way Rabel 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:43.160 viewsed roster building as a whole. But there's not much 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.240 and some of it is the way this draft is structured. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.840 There's not much that applies to this specific draft. The 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.640 only thing I think that does. I don't know if 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.040 you want to start here or start somewhere else. I 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.440 want to jump the gun. But was his answer about 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.000 like taking a risk on a player who's maybe not 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.480 a personality fit if the guy's talented. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.440 Yeah, that that is kind of where I did want 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.880 to start, because I thought that was the most important 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.880 answer to come out of the press conference yesterday, because 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.320 you know, just coupling this with all the buzz about 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.400 Jalen Walker lately as it pertains to the Patriots at 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.080 four overall, and you know, Jalen Walker just being that 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.720 type of guy. You know, I've compared him in the past, 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.440 both playing style, perspective and leadership to Dante high Tower, 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.160 just like one of those guys that is going to 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:32.600 be a captain, is going to be a leader, is 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:36.400 going to ooze football and tangibles and character in your 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:40.800 locker room. And I look at Rabel's answer yesterday where 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.880 it was Mikey already who asked the initial question about, 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.760 you know, basically drafting good guys, you know, football high 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.720 football character players, and he said he kind of stopped 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.720 him and was like, well, talent comes first, right, like 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.680 they gotta be good at football. And then he also added, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:58.520 you know, just to get the direct quote, so I 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.040 can I can quote him directly. We can't can't do 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.240 what we want to do with just a bunch of 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.120 good dudes. That's not going to get it done. So essentially, 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.400 you know, I read at as him saying it's not 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:11.920 enough just to be a good guy. He also had 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:12.960 to be a good football player. 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.320 So I interpreted that a little differently. I took that 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.640 more about Abdul Carter. And there's been that's obviously in 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.280 the news too, with Shuder meeting with the Giants again 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.760 and all of that, but that the Bob McGinn report 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.200 that you know, not the guy's not the there's just 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.760 some questions about his work ethic. Basically, not that he's 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.640 the worst person in the world, there's some questions about 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.679 his work ethic and is that the kind of guy 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.840 Vrabel's gonna want to bring in? And we talked about 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:42.360 I think we talked about this last week. I talked 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:44.719 about with Felger last week about this is part of 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.760 the reason why you build a strong culture, and that 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.720 was part of that question that it was she already 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.320 right specifically mentioned Morgan Moses and said when you have 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:56.240 guys like Morgan Moses and other leaders, does it help you? 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.559 You know? And builded this for years, builded this for years, 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.839 I would say more successes than failures. It wasn't all successes, 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.960 but the majority were successes. But it's a lot easier 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:07.760 to do that ten years into building the culture than 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.960 year one when you're trying to establish it. But what 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.679 I kind of interpreted that as from Vrabel was basically, 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.480 you know, if a guy's good enough, he's good enough, 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.679 and we'll make it work. And you don't want he 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:19.000 talked about you know you're gonna meet with him. You 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.640 don't want a guy that you think is irredeemable. But 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.040 all right, if a guy's not Matthew Slater, he's not 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.320 Devin mccordy, but he's a really in terms of leadership. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:30.800 Obviously those guys are good football players, but if they're 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.800 not those guys in terms of how they operate in 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.200 the locker room, but he's a really good football player. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.000 Will you need good football players first, and then you 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:39.640 bring them in and you work on it from there. 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:44.080 So there had been some questions about would the Patriots 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.560 rule out abdul Carter because of some of those mental 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.680 red flags. One, I think those are a little overblown, 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.320 but for what they are, and this team has put 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.040 culture at a premium throughout the offseason. I kind of 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.520 took that Vrabel answer to mean, as long as they 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.880 think he's within a realistic realm, which the stuff that's 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.920 been reported I don't think is anything egregious. Yeah, it's 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:09.000 maybe not what they want, but it's not egregious. I 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.120 kind of took that to mean, like Abdul Carter, that 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.720 stuff's not going to be disqualifying for him getting drafted 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:14.319 by the Patriots. 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:14.520 Yeah. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:16.440 I think I think we're saying the same thing, just 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.360 through two different players. And the reason why I brought 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.840 up Jalen Walker was one because I don't feel like 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:27.040 we've necessarily totally unpacked Jalen Walker on the show as 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.080 a potential Patriot, because I haven't felt until recently that 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.240 he was really in this conversation, you know, I have him. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:35.960 I'll look it up in a second to be exactly, 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.400 but I have him like eight or ninth on the 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.480 board right now, in the top ten. Certainly a top 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.120 ten player in this draft, but I don't necessarily see 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.840 him as a top five talent in a class like this, 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.560 even in a class like this, I should say. But 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.800 there's been a lot of scuttle but and this is 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.120 you know, mostly coming from the media obviously, that Jalen 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:01.160 Walker's character and his intangibles and his lead ship would 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.559 maybe push the Patriots to draft somebody like him, maybe 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.000 even over someone like Abdul Carter. And the way that 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.960 I took Vrabel's answer, just taking it at face value, 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.880 is I think the football player comes first, like who 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.160 what they are on film, and the talent of the 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:20.120 player has to come first. And I like Jalen Walker 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.520 as a player. I like the complete package that he 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.600 brings to the table, as we've been talking about. But 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.000 I have some reservations about picking him that high as 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.880 a tweeter, Like he's really not a guy that's going 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.000 to have a full time position. He's gonna be somebody 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.000 like High Tower that first and second down you're gonna 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.640 play him off the ball. Third down and obvious pass situations, 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.560 he's gonna be rushing the passer, probably off the edge. 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:46.520 You're gonna have to move him around. He's gonna have 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.800 to be a chess piece on the defensive side of 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.439 the ball. I don't think he's a natural fit at 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.320 either spot in terms of full time usage off ball 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:59.199 linebacker or at edge. He's also six and forty pounds 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.400 to lay the edge with that length and with that 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.600 size at you know, a seventy percent clip is probably 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:06.720 going to be unrealistic. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.920 No, he's gonna be a primary linebacker, like High Tire's 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.200 gonna be a primary linebacker. Even Bentley kind of and 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.440 Bentley's obviously bigger, but John Bentley kind of did that 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.440 a little bit. Yeah, I think you talk about the 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.480 talent coming first to me, it's more And Vrabel talked 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.480 a little bit about this yesterday. Was it you asked 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.840 this about like what's the tiebreaker if the players are 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.280 greated similarly, which is a great question for this draft specifically. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:28.200 Try to get him. I think he knew what I 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.040 was going He knew he were going. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:31.839 For Yeah, but no, but he said some of the 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.480 things we've said, right, Yeah, position is a tiebreak. I 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.920 think he said that, right, Samium utility and premium position 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:42.280 is a tiebreaker. Combine testing, combine testing is I think 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.520 he didn't say it, But if I were to project 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.240 or just how I would approach it if I was 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.040 in that spot, and what does that matter? I don't know. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:56.120 I'm not there. I would think though, like personality, leadership approach, 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.640 mental approach, I would think that applies as a tiebreaker 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.440 as well. So I don't know that it's you know, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:09.920 Carter and Walker being the same player, like if they're close, 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.400 if they have Carter and I'm just pulling numbers out 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.679 of my ass here, Yeah, they have Carter graded as 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.440 an eight point five, they have Walker graded as an 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:21.760 eight point three. Are those leadership and tangible things? And 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.480 the questions about Carter's work ethic are those worth point 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.440 two right or point three? Does that put car? I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.240 think that's more the conversation rather than like, well, they're 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.280 graded the same in Walker as I think it's about 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:38.040 does that how they view that couldn't be enough to 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:39.680 close the gap between the two. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:42.640 Players, right, And just my opinion, like just going from 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.080 predictive mode to just my take on the players. I 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.960 don't think that those two players are particularly. 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.760 I don't think they're that close either. But if they 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:53.880 have them, are they close in the Patriot's eyes because 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.240 the leadership makes them close or are they close on 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.560 tape and then the leadership comes in and puts Walker 0:14:59.600 --> 0:14:59.920 over the top. 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.520 Because I just feel like, and it's not I hate 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.200 that if the draft discourse makes us do this, like 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.280 it sounds like I'm dumping on Jalen Walker because I'm 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.680 making an argument for Abdull Carter, But it's not the goal. 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.800 I'm not trying to dump on him. But I think 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.960 there's little things that are getting overlooked when we say, oh, 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:22.200 these guys are kind of just comparable players. Abdull Carter 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.200 is two inches taller and ten pounds heavier than Jalen 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.680 Walker is. I would also just say that he's a 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.560 lot more explosive and a lot more dynamic off the 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.160 ball than Jalen Walker is. As a pass rusher like 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.680 Abdull Carter has all the tools to be like a 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.400 Von Miller Micah Parsons level pass rusher. Jalen Walker is 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.840 going to have that in his back pocket that he's 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.840 a decent on the line edge rusher, but he's a 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:50.400 linebacker like He's truly an off the ball linebacker in 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.720 terms of the position, I think he's gonna lock the 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.320 most snaps at I would say it's probably gonna be 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.320 at the second level in the box. Now, unlike High Taler, 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.960 like High Tower had the side in the power and 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:05.160 and just the overwhelming, you know, sledgehammer of play straight 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:09.080 that off ball linebacker Walker has closing speed like Walker 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:13.880 is a very good open field bursty, closing speed type 0:16:13.880 --> 0:16:16.560 of player that he can chase down guys in the 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.160 open field. I don't know if that was necessarily High 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.800 Towers game, but when I watch you know, Walker playoff 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.200 ball linebacker, I see a lot of the same, like 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.560 compressing space, you know, plugging gaps, firing downhill at the 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.360 line of scrimmage. You know, that's sort of his game, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.440 is just clogging the middle of the field. And then 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.040 when you get into those pass rushing situations. You know, 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:38.640 he can rush off the edge a little bit, he 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:40.640 can rush over the guard or the center and use 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.200 quickness on the inside. So similar type of players. But 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.560 you know, Abdual Carter to me is in a different 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.640 tier completely the Jalen Walker. So it would be disappointing 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.440 to me a little bit if Jalen Walker was the 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.520 pick at for I'm not saying it would be the 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.320 worst pick in the world. We're not talking about, you know, 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.640 a cold, strange level react from me here, but it 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.440 would not be my pick like that would not be. 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.080 Fav I've used this line a lot in the for 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.000 this year's class, and I know it kind of sounds 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:10.800 like a cop out, but I think it's fitting. It 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.000 was my Mason Graham line for months. It still kind 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.760 of is. Yeah, I think Carter would be I don't 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.720 think Walker would be a bad pick. I don't think 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.159 he's the best pick they could make. Yeah, he's not 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.920 a bad pick. He's a good pick, but they would 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:25.960 be leaving there there are better players of it. And 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.159 some people may say, well, then that means he's a 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.720 bad pick because they didn't make the best pick. I mean, 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:33.080 there's what I mean by it is like there's ways 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:37.520 you can justify it where there there is a path 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:42.480 I think to Jalen Walker having a better career in 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.280 New England than Abdull Carter would. There is a path 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.560 to that. It's a much tougher path to get to, though, 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.000 than the path to Carter's peak. It would path to 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.320 Carter being better than want and it would have. 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.199 To be like work ethic related, Like it would have 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.719 to be work ethic football character related. 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:00.000 Yeah. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.240 Yeah, well that's why physical sales, that's why we're having 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:03.919 the conversation. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.960 But like, yeah, that's so they can he can get there, 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.399 they can the pick can be justified. Yeah, it's just 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.920 going to be you need a lot to go right 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:14.119 for that. Yeah. I mean you need a lot to 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.640 go right for any draft pick to be to work out. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:20.280 It's not an easy process, but relatively speaking, there there's 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:22.800 more projecting you're doing with Jalen Walker, and this would 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:23.720 apply to other guys. 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:26.640 Well. I wanted to kind of get to that because 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.280 to me, I feel like this draft has turned into, 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.480 you know a little bit Abdul Carter versus Jalen Walker, 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.960 which again I don't think is particularly close, but that 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.320 that's the conversations we're having. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:42.040 I think the real conversation to have is Carter and Walker. 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.639 And what I mean by or sorry is is Campbell 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:46.520 and Walker. Yeah, And what I mean by that is, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.119 I think if Carter's there, you take him. And I 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.440 think if Carter's there, they will take them. So that's 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:54.720 That's not a conversation in the sense that we can 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.520 discuss the top three. But it's not we're not debating prospects. 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.040 It's not a conversation relating to the PA. It's just 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:05.360 wait and see if Carter's gone and Hunter's gone. Obviously 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:10.360 putting that qualifier in there, I think Carter or Campbell 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.440 and Walker is where you get. If I had a guess, 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.600 it's just me guess. There's no inside information. If I 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.760 had to guess, those are the top two players on 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.320 their board, and I don't know which one would be 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.280 one and two, but I would guess it's those two 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:23.120 and then everybody else. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.840 So the other answers that he gave that people are 0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:30.040 dissecting a little bit here are are, obviously his response 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.960 about left tackle and the fact that he sees starting 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:36.000 caliber left tackle. Some people took that as him being 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.679 a little bit lukewarm, you know, not coming out and 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.440 saying this is the next Jonathan Ogden. I don't think 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.600 he would say that even if there was another Jonathan 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.760 Augda in this draft. But it did stand out to me. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.000 And this is something that I've tried to reiterate a 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.840 little bit about this draft at tackle, because I think 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.440 there's some concern that if they don't draft a tackle 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.080 at four, then like last year, they're kind of gonna 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.800 miss the boat on true star arding upside at left tackle. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:05.119 But he made it sound like he has a group 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.080 that there's a group. Now it could be Campbell, Membu 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.840 and maybe Calvin Banks end of group, right right. But 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.560 I think we've talked a little bit about and I 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.720 and I I see them as this, you know, the 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:21.239 ariantisies U, the Josh Connerley's of the world. You know. 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.080 I took that response and I don't want to do 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.600 body language doctor, Like, if you think his body language 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.000 was off on that answer and he's you know, out 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.640 on the tackles, then that's your prerogative. I don't look 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.480 that much into body language. I'm not a scientist in 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:36.040 that respect. 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:37.640 He kind of he just kind of is the same 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.800 body language across question. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:40.800 Wouldn't look too much. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.919 Into that, just how he is when he's dealing with 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:43.320 the media. 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.960 But is there you know, I still think that it's 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.960 very much in play that they draft who they feel 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.160 is just the best player available at four, regardless of position, 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:58.960 and come back up for a Josh Simmons and Arianisery 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.680 and Josh Connery or maybe hope one of those guys 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:02.800 foster them the thirty eight. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.040 Uh, I think that's possibility. Like to me, there's two 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.159 ways to read that, and don't do you still transcript up? 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:09.040 I can pull it up, but. 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:10.159 No, but I can. 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.400 I just I described that one the full answer. Look 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:17.240 at two phones. Thles are over here, Okay, the full answer. 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:19.760 He So he gets asked specifically, is there a tackle 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:20.840 worth taking it for him? 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:21.080 Yeah? 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:24.439 And he kind of rather than answering whether or not 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.439 there's a tackle worth taking it for, he kind of 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.760 gets into what he thinks a player worth the fourth 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.080 overall pick is. Yeah, and he talks about a player 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.640 in an impact position who can make an impact as 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.840 a starter right away. And then he says, I think 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:40.840 there are multiple starting tackles in the draft. 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:43.520 All right, So I got it. So I think that 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.119 that's really what you start to look for impact players 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:48.359 when you start picking that high. What they're going to 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.240 do for you, what's the impact, what's the position? You 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.879 talk about premium positions. That's where you weigh saw the 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:54.800 circumstances to be. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.800 He's not just talking the questions about tackles, but he's 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.280 not just talking about tackles there. I think that's his 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.680 philosophy for the fourth overall pick. And then he says, 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:05.639 I think they're yes, I think they're starting tackles in 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:08.560 this draft. Starting tackles in this draft doesn't mention four. 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:10.720 So you can read that one of two ways. Is 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:15.040 his qualifier for the fourth overall pick instant starter, in 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:19.080 which case starting tackles in fourth overall pick tackles would 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.520 mean the same thing. And we do know he talked 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:25.359 highly about Campbell and armand Membu at the NFL Owners Meets. 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:27.120 That's one way you can interpret it. The other way 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.800 you can interpret it is we yeah, they're starting tackles 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:31.600 in the draft. It doesn't just have to be at four, 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.480 So you can go one way or the other. I 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.439 kind of heard it as the former. Maybe that's me 0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.720 going in with some preset bias about what I want 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:43.000 them to do. I'll admit that, but I'm with you 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.480 if there are starting tackles past the fourth pick. There's 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:48.520 not a lot We've talked about how fast this thing 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.359 drops off after arianta Ursery. Does he get to thirty 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.000 eight maybe, I really don't think Connorly's getting there now. 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:56.320 If Simmons gets at thirty eight, it means his knee 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:58.639 is bad, which I am. You guys know how I 0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:01.040 am on that. I'm very worried about that. I'm not 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.879 against them not taking a tackle at four. They can't 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:06.760 let it come to them though, like last year, because 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.359 they will miss the run. I really think there's gonna 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:11.280 be a run on tackles again this year. And I'll 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:12.879 say I think there's gonna be a run on tackles 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:14.639 next year. I think this is going to continue to 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.119 happen until the tackle shortage is over, which is going 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.159 to take a few years to get there. So I 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:20.760 think they have to be ready to move up. They 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.240 have the ammunition to do this, and on the tackles too. 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:27.639 When we're talking about Simmons, it wasn't a tackle specific answer, 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:31.320 but he was asked by Andrew Callahan what lessons he 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:35.639 learned just from his top draft picks in Tennessee and 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:39.879 wasn't asked about injuries, but he mentioned just kind of 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.200 factoring in injuries when you look at a player, And 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:46.440 so with Simmons, who has an injury that is tough 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.199 to come back from, and there are long term not 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.720 just short term implications. It's not just about when will 0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:54.320 he be healthy as a rookie, but will his knee 0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:57.040 hold up structurally in the long term or will it 0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.560 be long term to her ability issues because of this injury. 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.040 That is something that they're going to consider. Caleb Fairly, 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:04.760 I know, is the name that some people pointed to. 0:24:04.880 --> 0:24:07.880 There was also the Georgia tackle I'm blanking on right now, 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:10.639 his name Wilson. I think Wilson. 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:12.679 He was here for like a second so practice. 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:15.840 He was a late later first round picked in Fairly, 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:19.480 but they took a real chance on him both injury 0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:24.240 and football character, and that that goes down as not 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.040 to pick on Vrabel, but that goes down as one 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:28.560 of the worst first round picks of the last decade. 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:29.680 Yeah he got there. 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:33.800 Yeah, he didn't even really play for the Titans. So 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.400 they took on some risk with those picks, and both 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:39.119 of those guys had injury red flags, fairly had huge 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:43.919 injury red flags. Was a top fifteen, top twelve talent 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:46.520 in his draft just based off the film, but was 0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:49.800 significant injury red flags, and neither one of those players 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:50.240 weren't out. 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:54.920 So his was a back. Yeah, Failies was a back. 0:24:55.160 --> 0:24:57.840 Wilson's it was I think it was an ankle. I 0:24:57.880 --> 0:24:59.119 don't remember exactly what it was. 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.800 There was also with and there were there were some football. 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.320 Character issues, but part of it too was he had 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:10.080 an injury that was was chronic, which means that it's 0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:12.359 not something that Seltzer's going through this right now with 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.840 Jaalen Brown. It's not something that you heard it, it 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:17.000 heals and you're done. It's not like a broken arm, right, 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.159 It's something that is just going to kind of last 0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:22.520 and always be an issue. I'm not a doctor, but 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:26.200 from what I've seen, like medical people say, this injury 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:30.399 that Simmons has can have not guaranteed, can have some 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:31.360 lasting impacts. 0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:31.800 Yeah. 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.119 So if that's the guy you're going to draft a 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:37.920 left tackle, I've made the comp before Malcolm Mitchell. When 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:39.879 Malcolm Mitchell was healthy, he was a good player, and 0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:41.840 I think when Josh Simmonson is healthy, he's a really 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:44.959 good player. Is it gonna be healthy enough to justify 0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:47.119 a first round pick? That's what I worry about. I 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:48.679 haven't seen the medicals. I wouldn't know what to make 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.359 of them if I did, but you know, you gotta. 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.320 I think he's one where I think sometimes teams really 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:57.720 like a player and maybe the doctors tell him be careful, 0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:00.480 but you know, they see the tape and they sim 0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:02.240 as the player. I'd hope they listen to the doctors 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:05.200 on And it sounds like Rabel from his experience in Tennessee, 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:06.439 understands that. 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:08.480 Yeah, especially early, I guess one thing to take an 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:09.800 injury flyer on a guy later. 0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:11.520 Oh yeah, no. And I mean this is coming from 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.240 the same guy who has said, you know, I want 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:16.160 them to take Seth McLaughlin. Yeah, who's torn achilles. That's 0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.639 no joke of an injury either. That's in the fifth round, 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:21.760 have fun with it. In the top fifty. It's a 0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:23.280 very different conversation, all right. 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.640 So the last thing that stood out to me from 0:26:25.680 --> 0:26:28.080 this press conference, and then I want to move on 0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:32.360 to my guys segment, on defense this week was obviously 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.600 the very answer at the very very end about Joe 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:38.080 Milton in the trade of Joe Milton, and I think 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.680 the if you just take his answer at phase value, 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:42.679 and look, he's not going to come out and say 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.080 that Joe Milton is a bad locker room guy and 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.240 it's not a good fit with Drake May. I don't 0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:49.679 think he would come out and say that publicly. But 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.080 if we just take the answer at phase value about 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:56.240 the reps, I kind of understand where he's coming from. That. 0:26:56.760 --> 0:27:00.000 When you go into a camp with an entrenched starting 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:04.480 quarterback that is not in an open competition of any 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.560 kind with anybody else, you go into that camp giving 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.360 like ninety percent of the meaningful reps to that quarterback, 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:13.240 especially when the quarterback is a second year guy, like 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.000 especially when it's a young quarterback in the league like 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:19.520 Drake May. So in order to continue to develop Joe Milton, 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:21.480 you know, I think he was just saying that they're 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.480 just outside of maybe preseason games where they you know, 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.480 they wouldn't want to play Drake May. They wouldn't want 0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:28.760 to risk injury with Drake May. There wasn't a ton 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.040 of reps to go around. If you just take that 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:32.760 at face value. I think the only thing that I 0:27:33.119 --> 0:27:34.879 took away from that, because I've kind of closed the 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:37.879 book on Joe Milton he's not here anymore, is that 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:43.639 them drafting another quarterback at least in the top one 0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.919 point fifty that they might have some investment in and 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.680 they might feel compelled to develop. It just doesn't seem 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.600 realistic if they're going into this saying Drake May is 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:57.000 going to get ninety percent, Josh Dobbs is our true backup. 0:27:57.080 --> 0:27:59.920 You know, he's our QB two as the veteran backup. 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.240 This sounds to me more like, Okay, if there's a 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.960 quarterback in the seventh round, they have two seventh round picks. 0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.199 If they really like a quarterback at the end of 0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.440 the draft and the seventh round, sure, you know, take 0:28:10.480 --> 0:28:13.359 a fly or whatever. But I think they're kind of 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.439 looking more towards that like Camp arm territory of like, 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.040 let's just get some a third quarterback in here for 0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:20.880 trading camp. 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:24.280 They need, you need three quarterbacks operate, Yeah, you probably 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.119 need four. Really ideal you force they're gonna add quarterbacks, 0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:30.240 but yeah, it's gonna be super late in the draft. Udfa. 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:32.560 But it goes back to something I talked about after 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:35.480 the trade, and I think kind of qualified it. I 0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:37.439 think a lot of people are looking at it as well, 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.640 why would you trade your backup quarterback if Drake Mayge's hurt. 0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.440 They viewed him as the third string right, he was 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.480 going to be the third string quarterback, emergency game day quarterback. Again, 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.400 Dobbs was going to be the backup. And so because 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:51.719 I think some people were confused, why would we request 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.280 a trade if he wants a chance to compete and 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.640 he goes to Dallas where Dak Prescott is ingrained as 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:59.440 the starter, because he wants he just want a chance 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:01.440 to compete for the backup job, which I don't think 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.040 they were going to give him here. He should beat 0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.720 out Will Greer in Dallas and be there and Dak 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.840 gets hurt, so like you know, who knows. But I 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:11.000 don't think they viewed it as they were trading their 0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.479 backup quarterback. They were trading the third string guy. They 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:15.960 were trading the emergency game day guy. Whether now, whether 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.040 you think that's right or wrong, that's another story. I 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.000 would have had him as the backup over Josh Dobbs. 0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.240 I think Josh Jobs there in a room, experienced guy 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.520 like another coach. I would have had Milton as the backup, 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:27.280 and you know, assuming he continued to progress and all 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:29.440 that showed it on the field and kept up. But 0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.280 I think they viewed him as the third quarterback. 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:35.080 Yeah, it just just looking you know how it pertains 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.520 to the draft. I think there are just some mock 0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:40.240 drafts out there that I've seen with you know, a 0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.440 Riley Leonard for example, or you know, we did a 0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:46.200 mock draft yesterday before the Vaible Press or that I 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.440 took Curtis Rourke in the seventh round, you know, just 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:50.400 as a as a flyer. I think that's still on 0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:53.240 the on the table. Potentially Curtis Rourke makes a loss sense. Yeah, 0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:55.200 got a good two seventh round picks at the end. 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.120 You're really just trying to get ahead of undrafted free 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:00.840 agency at that point. Maybe they I'll do it at 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.160 that point in the draft, But I just look at 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:06.160 that quarterback spot as truly the third quarterback spot. Like 0:30:06.160 --> 0:30:08.600 you're saying, and I was taking a step further, it's 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.479 basically just a camp arm as somebody that they can 0:30:11.520 --> 0:30:13.800 maybe stash on the practice squad all year. Long, so 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.240 I wouldn't necessarily expect them to be making any more 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.720 real investments at quarterback, you know, in terms of top 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.800 one fifty picks at that position. So did you have 0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:25.720 any other big things that I missed? I mean those 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:26.280 were kind of my. 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:28.680 Pretty much again, like we didn't get as much out 0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:30.000 of that as we usually do it. And it's not 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.720 me complaining. Yeah, right, Rabel has a different style. 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:33.560 Yeah, we didn't. 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.520 The running back thing was a little interesting. All had that. 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.640 Yeah, I mean he definitely left the door open there 0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.760 for gent, Like he didn't close it and say, no, 0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.600 you know, we're analytically driven, we don't, we don't care 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.400 a running backs like you know, I would. 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:46.960 Have said, well, well, he did give a whole answer 0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:49.160 on analytics. Yeah, yeah, which I know you love. 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:49.960 Yeah, it's good. 0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:51.960 But he did say you got to go back to 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:53.600 the film. You got to confirm it all with the film. 0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:55.200 Which as long as you're doing that. 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.440 I've always said, but that that the way that he 0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:00.920 talked about analytics is allway, is how the way that 0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:03.840 I think that you should apply your. 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:05.680 Way vouch for that community. You have to vouch for 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:06.680 the entire community. 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:07.840 No, I don't yes, you do. 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:08.600 It works. 0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.480 The analytics is a way in football. I'm not talking 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.040 about other sports. I don't know enough about it. 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.760 This is like you pinning uh Dan Campbell on me 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:18.120 for being like a football guy. 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.800 Analytics are are a way to provide context to what 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.840 you're seeing on tape. So you watch the film, just 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.280 like Rabel said, you watch the film and you say, 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.880 this guy seems to be really good after the catch, right, 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.520 like that that's the strength of his game. Well you 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:36.680 might say that, and then you might look at the 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:41.280 analytics and he's you know, twenty fifth out of twenty 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.280 six qualified receivers in the draft and yards after the 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:46.840 catch per reception, and so then you just have to 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:48.440 go back to the tape and say, well, where's the 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:50.880 disconnect here? Was it the routes he was being asked 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:53.040 to run? Is it the scheme? Is it you know 0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.000 where he's playing on the field? Like, why is the 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.880 juice that I see after the catch not translating to 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.640 the numbers? Whereas sometimes you might say this guy's really 0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.520 good after the catch, and then the numbers say he's 0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.280 really good after the catch, And now we have a 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.360 guy that we can say is a lead after the catch. 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.040 You know Luther Burden, Sure, Kyle Williams, you know someone 0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.200 like that. Great that that's all it's all about. Uh 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.440 I did. I thought his answer about you know, the 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:21.880 injury prediction was really interesting. Yeah, I don't know as 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:23.760 much about that stuff as I do about like the 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:24.240 nerd math. 0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:26.760 But like you're talking about the one about Tennessee. 0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.440 Uh, well he's he mentioned that they they have ways 0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:33.840 predictive models about a durability and how and if guys 0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.840 have prior injury in college, Like are those injuries you know, 0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.080 to your point about you know Simmons's knee, like, are 0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:41.440 those injuries going to linger into the pros? Do that? 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:45.120 Does that set up potentially injuries down the road? That 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.840 stuff is newer, I would say, in terms of the 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:52.000 sports science. But it's cool, like it's it's uh, it's 0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:55.000 some innovative tech that's actually working in medicine. 0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:56.840 You want to use all the math you want the medicine. 0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.000 I have no problem with that. Yeah, that fine, go 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.000 for that. But they're back to the running back thing. 0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:03.320 I thought it was interesting because the question was like, 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.160 do you have a philosophy on like running backs in 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.840 the top ten? They basically said, no, I don't, but 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:11.480 they have to be able to do all these things, 0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.440 and he basically just described Ashton Genty. 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:13.840 Yeah. 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.360 But then the last thing he said was and what 0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.200 the team's prior convictions are. So he basically said. The 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.280 question was do you believe a running back should go 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:23.080 in the top ten? And he basically said, if a 0:33:23.160 --> 0:33:26.200 running back is really good, if a team is comfortable 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:28.520 taking them in the top ten, they should so yeah, 0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.640 Like he kind of the answer for me was, well, 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.360 if they're like, if they're he was like ash And 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.160 the answer is basically, if a running back was going 0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:39.920 to go in the top ten, ash and Genty is 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.320 that kind of guy. Yeah, I don't think they'll do it, 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.240 but it's something to remember if like Genty becomes a 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:45.880 free agent in a few years or request a trade 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:46.240 or whatever. 0:33:46.360 --> 0:33:49.200 The interesting thing to me about his answer was that 0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:53.920 he mentioned a receiving upside and like pass catching. Yeah, 0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:57.480 and not that he's a zero as a pass catcher, 0:33:57.480 --> 0:34:00.280 but like Derrick Henry is not necessarily James. 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:02.440 He didn't take Derek Henry in the first round. Yeah, 0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.640 And they remember, they repeatedly when Henry was there, brought 0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.879 in smaller backs to catch the football. Deon Lewis there. 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.640 Yeah, well that's sort of My point is, like, so 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:13.919 Derrick Henry, and I know it wasn't a first round pick, 0:34:13.960 --> 0:34:19.120 but Derrick Henry was their offense in Tennessee rightfully, so 0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.919 they built the entire thing around him. Now, the one 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.439 thing that Derrick Henry I I think separates him from 0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.360 other running backs that we've seen is there's a clear 0:34:29.360 --> 0:34:33.200 correlation between play action success and Derrick Henry being on 0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:35.960 the field. Like the Titans numbers with Derrick Henry in 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:39.440 the backfield on play action were just insane for like 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.960 a three or four year period because you know, obviously 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:43.160 defenses are stacked. 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:44.440 Running sets up the past. 0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:48.239 What a concept when you have Derrick Henry, sure, and 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.440 you have you know, just you know, Joe Schmoe running 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:51.920 back behind the quarterback, it's not. 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:54.080 Just say so, it's it's worth investing in a good 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:54.759 running back, I. 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.800 Would say Derrick Henry. My point was that Derrick Henry 0:34:57.880 --> 0:34:59.200 is kind of his own thing in that. 0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.399 Regard or the Eagles. What were the Eagles play action 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:02.600 numbers this year? I actually don't know. 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:04.960 If thought my head, well, the guns here, it's different, 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:09.680 that's true, but yeah, they sure fine. But I thought 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.520 that was interesting that he included pass catching. I did 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.640 go back, you know, semi recently and watched you know, 0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.640 some agent's twenty twenty three tape to get the pass 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:21.279 catching feel for him a little bit at a lot 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:24.560 more in twenty three. I still think that he's more 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:28.839 of like an underneath uh, you know, sneak out into 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.880 the flat, you know, check down over the middle type 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.840 of pass catcher. I don't know if he's a dynamic receiver, 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.920 like I don't know if you're gonna be mismatch aligning 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:40.839 him in the slot or out wide or having him 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:43.239 run all these vertical routes from the back, you know, 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.239 wheels fitting into the scene, things like that. Like, I 0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:50.000 don't know if that's necessarily his game, but he certainly 0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.640 is a a an adequate receiver. 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.440 I would say, you know, for the basic wide receiver, 0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:59.440 for the basic running back pass catching skills you're looking for, 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.280 he's go, yeah, like he's really good at that stuff. 0:36:02.280 --> 0:36:04.400 But he's not a guy like I wouldn't put in 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.200 the same categori as a guy like Burshard Smith or 0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:08.879 the Quinn Allen or Woody marks where you're gonna kind 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:10.840 of use him as a hybrid wide receiver like that 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:15.319 James White stuff. But for the the base stuff, you're 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.160 gonna ask a running back to doing the passing game 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:19.640 both as a receiver and as a blocker. 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Well, this is 0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:32.000 like the draft previous, I know, but I'm trying to 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.279 move it along a little bit quicker. So we do 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:37.080 have the five positions here, you know, interior, defensive line, 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:42.319 edge linebackers, cornerback, and safety. No we don't, Yes, yes 0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:42.560 we do. 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.719 They're going to take a kickers, So let's hold us 0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.319 last week. Let's start week. 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:51.040 Let's start with the defensive line. Uh my, my first 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.480 guy on this list. I tried to do early late 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.560 I kind of cheated in. I tried to do that 0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:57.000 as well. 0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:58.920 We don't know who the first round guys are on defense. 0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:01.560 It's Carter and it's. 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:04.319 And yeah, so my my defensive lineman on Day two, 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.680 Alfred Collins from Texas. I feel like, is your kind 0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:07.960 of guy. 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.200 He is? He was that was gonna be mild. I 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.480 had a couple, but he was going to be my pick. 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.839 So six six yeah, three thirty yeah, thirty six inch 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:21.880 arms like this is just an absolute monster, monster of 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:24.959 a man. Now, if the Patriots were in a traditional 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:29.200 Belichick two gaping defense, like Alfred Collins is a two 0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:32.080 gapping three four end is like exactly what he fits. 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.120 So I'm not sure it's an exact system fit for 0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.600 what the Patriots are going to do now, but I 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.400 still look at him in the patriots a current defense 0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:42.920 with Vrabel and there's in their new system like can 0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:43.960 you play nose tackle? 0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:45.960 At that time they played that Jeffrey Simmons. 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:49.080 Role is a three technique. I mean, like maybe, but 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.520 I think that Milton Williams is going to play that role. 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:53.719 But like what I look at with Alfred Collins is 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:55.400 put him, you know, in the shade, in the A 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:57.600 gap and just let him hold the A gap for you, 0:38:57.680 --> 0:38:59.400 like he's not going to be moved. I mean, that 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:03.160 guy's an app mammoth. Like he's huge, he's got great length, 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:04.799 he knows how to use it. I think the one 0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:06.759 thing that really stood out to me though watching his 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.200 film that it was exciting that got me really excited 0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:12.080 about the player. His motor like he's he's. 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:13.640 A loves his calary. 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:16.040 He runs hot and and to be that big and 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.680 play that hard for that many snaps in a game 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.640 is sometimes a question mark. And he is just a 0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:23.200 mean dude. 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:26.680 So obviously not it's not Rabel. Like oddly we've made 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.279 all these Tennessee comps with Rabel. I'm gonna this might 0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:31.120 be a first for this offseason. I'm gonna make a 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.600 Tennessee comp that doesn't involve like Rabel. Okay, Simmons next 0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:37.040 to Devandre Sweat because he's got some Toandre Sweat in 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.000 his game. He's playing that role in that Texas defense, right, 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:41.040 he's the next guy up? 0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:41.920 Yeah? 0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:45.040 Like is that Milton Williams and Alfred Collins. 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:48.600 I really like Alfred Collins a lot I do. I 0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.920 just thought that he can't teach size, he can't teach power, 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:54.879 and you can't teach effort and he checks all three 0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:55.560 of those boxes. 0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:58.200 So since you went to him, yeah, I should go 0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.640 Dion Walker. He's really falling now. That one sucks. I 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.160 was so ready to be he plays standing up at 0:40:04.160 --> 0:40:05.759 three hundred and forty pounds like. 0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.640 That one but that's the problem is he like literally 0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:11.640 and figuratively, he plays standing up his pad level. 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.480 He plays like a player sign like fifty pounds smaller 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.040 than he is, and that is that is both a 0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:19.000 good thing and a bad thing. 0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:20.200 He's got to get his pass down. 0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:22.560 You know. Sometimes there's like those cats that grow up 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.360 in a house with all dogs and the cat or 0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.520 the doges the house all cats, and the dog just 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.160 like thinks it's a cat. Yeah, that's kind of like 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.439 like he he plays like a two hundred and eighty 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.960 pounds speed rusher. Yeah, but he's three hundred and forty pounds. 0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:37.520 It's anyway. So instead of that, I'll go similar guy, 0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.680 Jamark Caldwell. Yeah, similar, Probably gonna go a little bit 0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.880 later Ben Collins. But same thing. One of these hyper 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.160 athletic uh three. I think he I don't think he's 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.360 three thirty. I think he's in the three twenties. Yeah, 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:51.799 but a guy that can kind of do some similar things. 0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:54.360 Wide body just just a big butt. 0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:57.399 Well you know that Bill Belichick Kirby Smart story about 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.600 the forty right, No, oh, have you not heard that? 0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:02.800 Might have so, Kirby Smart told us at a coaching 0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:04.799 clinic This was a few years ago, but it's on 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:07.560 Twitter if you want to go find it. And I 0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:08.240 don't remember. 0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:09.640 If Kirby was with Bill the big butt. 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:11.840 Yeah, Bill wanted to stand. This is a Bill starting 0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:12.640 line at the forties. 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:13.880 This is a Bill Parcells thing. 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:15.840 Oh is it to see which lineman of the biggest 0:41:15.840 --> 0:41:17.800 ass when they get down in the in the stands? 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.719 Yeah? No, that this is that started with Parcels. Who 0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.520 by the way, Parcels. I mean, people know this, but 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.920 I'm not breaking any news. Parcells is an amazing talent evaluator, 0:41:27.040 --> 0:41:28.960 like one of the best talent evaluators. 0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:30.120 Pretty good for the grocery. 0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.040 Yeah, that's out there. I mean, obviously he's going into 0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:35.919 the Patriots Hall of Fame and uh and a big 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.200 reason why is because he drafted a lot of the 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.360 first pillars of Dynasty one point zero. You know, he 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.160 drafted most of those guys. He was he was the 0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.759 first guy to talk about the behinds and making sure 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:51.640 that those linemen have having a big, big butts and 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:55.480 they cannot lie. All right, My next guy here, Day three, 0:41:55.960 --> 0:42:00.160 interior defensive lineman Tim Smith. Tim Smith from Alabama. I 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:02.920 really thought he stood out at the Senior Bowl, downed 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.520 Mobile back in January. He's been on my list ever 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:10.600 since then. Heavy handed, aggressive, up the field, interior rusher. 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.200 I can stop, to run, can shoot gaps, can beat 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:16.680 guys latterly to the to the spot, really good upper 0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.719 body strength. I feel like he's another one of these dudes, 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.480 like Alfred Collins is kind of like the second round version. 0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:25.960 Tim Smith is to me the Day three version if 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:29.760 the Patriots are looking for that true interior run stuffer 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:32.160 and a pair next to Milton Williams and Barmore and 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:35.520 Keon White and just add to the rotation Tim Smith. 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:40.120 I've been trying all draft season mock draft big board 0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:41.960 to find a place to write and talk about it. 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:44.120 Always one guy that like I want to get into 0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:45.200 mock drafts and I don't. 0:42:45.400 --> 0:42:47.840 Yeah, it just hasn't worked out. But I think that 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.399 Tim Smith is a Patriot type player for sure. 0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:53.799 So my Day three Alfred Collins guy. Day one's Kenneth Grant, 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:57.919 Day two's Alfred Collins. Smart Caldwell is Cam Jackson from Florida. Yeah, 0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:00.680 another guy Senior Bowl. But I'm gonna go with J. J. 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:05.480 Pageese Pilgrim Mats big Board pick he's a project player. 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:08.279 He's a project player. He's not a guy that might 0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:09.880 make an impact right away. He's supposed to go on 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.760 Day three, so that's okay. But really really good athlete 0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.200 for his size, So I was trying to look. He 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:18.799 measured in at three twenty at the Senior Bowl, but 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.680 then was three zho nine at the Combine. So I 0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:24.480 don't know where he's gonna play in the NFL. I 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.400 would like him to play around three fifteen three twenty, 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:29.400 but I think part of the reason he took some 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.880 of that size off is in addition to playing on 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.120 the defensive line, and he can play multiple positions. 0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:37.280 That's probably his best trade. 0:43:37.520 --> 0:43:39.480 Well or is it the fact that they would you 0:43:39.560 --> 0:43:40.799 and you think, all right, So I'm gonna say they 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:43.080 played him on offense. You're thinking three hundred and twenty 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:46.160 pound guy on offense, lead fall back like the Patriots 0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:49.080 used to use Richard Seymour. No, they use him as 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:50.640 a running back. They use him as a short yarded 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.680 running back. He had twenty one carries last year. Eighteen 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:56.440 of them went for first downs, including seven touchdowns. He 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.319 can carry the football. He ran some routes at the 0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.040 Combine in he didn't look out of place. So if 0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:04.279 you put some weight back on, who knows where that's at. 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:07.319 But can he give you like a Patrick Ricard kind 0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:09.719 of thing. And I know I've compared Robber Huts to 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:11.759 Patrick McCard, but this is much more similar with the 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:14.440 body type. And I think he has the potential to 0:44:14.480 --> 0:44:18.080 be a multi positional, three down rotational player on defense. 0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:19.759 He's got a ways to go to get there. Like 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.600 he's winning on pure athleticism right now. The technical part 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:24.840 of his game needs to be refined certainly, but this 0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:27.040 coaching staff is good with that. And if you give 0:44:27.120 --> 0:44:29.080 him a year or two, I think he can be 0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:31.839 a really, really fun piece. I think he can be 0:44:32.160 --> 0:44:34.399 a guy you can get really creative with and can 0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:36.239 make an impact on both sides of the ball. 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.560 Yeah, I like it. His versatility was the number one 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:40.919 thing I wrote down, yeah, just in my notes about him. 0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:44.319 I really felt like his speed to power was kind 0:44:44.320 --> 0:44:46.480 of a foundational move for him. Though. You know, he's 0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:49.640 got that ability to really roll his hips and convert 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:51.880 speed to power in the pass rush, and that's going 0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:53.920 to give him a nice foundation. Maybe you add like 0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:56.719 an armover or swim or something. Like that to just 0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.160 compliment that I liked his tape a lot too, as 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.160 you know, an early day three, mid day three kind 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.000 of guy, impressive player in terms of the movement skills. 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:08.800 All right, let's go to the edge. I kind of cheated. 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:10.520 I put two day two edge guys. Gotta like them 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.160 bowl so much I couldn't decide. So my first one 0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:16.839 is Femiola Daejo from UCLA. I just feel like he's 0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:23.640 a Rabel type of player. Explosiveness, play, strength, effort, finish, versatility, 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.040 played off the ball early on in his career at UCLA, 0:45:27.160 --> 0:45:30.440 then moved to the edge this past season, a great 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:32.719 Senior Bowl week. That's another one of those guys that 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.840 got on my radar down in Mobile. But what I 0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.960 really liked about him effort, finish, explosiveness off the ball, 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:43.640 And I just am clamoring for the Patriots to give 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:46.160 Torell Williams and Mike Rabel one of these balls of 0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:49.359 clay on the edge, Like I don't necessarily need their 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.840 edge pick to be an early, you know, top fifty 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:57.200 selection on a guy that's an already finished product, like 0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:01.600 I'm okay with taking on some development upside there at 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.600 that position. I think Oldeho, the guy I compared him 0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:07.399 to his boy Mafi out in Seattle, like you give 0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:10.759 him a year or two to develop underneath Rabel and 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:14.320 Terrell Williams and Harold Landry and Chase On and Anthony 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.680 Jennings and Keon White are going to be playing a 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.080 lot of the snaps there in twenty twenty five, by 0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.880 twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, Like ol Day, who 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:25.040 might be one of the better Day two edge rushers 0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:26.760 out of this class. He's got a ton of tools. 0:46:27.160 --> 0:46:28.920 I'll go to the opposite for Day two. I'll go 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:30.200 with the guy that's ready, Jack Sawyer. 0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:30.440 Yeah. 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:32.560 I've been on this since the beginning. They're kind of 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:36.480 guy culture, tone setter, physical. What's the word they've used 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:39.399 to describe their defense so many times? Violence? Yeah, right, 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:41.160 plays with violence. 0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:43.200 Both these guys playing violence. You know. 0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:46.040 Yeah, He's a guy you can put opposite calevon Chase 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.720 on your speed rusher. He's power on the other side, 0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:51.160 the Ohio State thing, all of it. He just he's 0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:54.760 he's such a fit. He is everything that this offseason 0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:56.000 has kind of been pointed towards. 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:59.520 Absolutely the last one I had here and I can't. 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:01.600 I can't get this guy out of my head, even 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.280 though I don't think he's necessarily a great system fit anymore. 0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:08.840 But Josiah Stewart from Michigan just twitched up rusher, really 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:13.600 undersized for the position, probably pigeonholed into like a three 0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:17.719 four outside linebacker situational pass rusher type of role, which 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:20.000 is why maybe he doesn't make as much sense anymore 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:23.240 for the Patriots. But I just loved watching Josiah Stewart 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:26.800 at the Senior Bowl against USC last year, just absolutely 0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:30.480 eight up the USC tackles, a great first step, exposed 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.839 in this great bend. Just an absolute twitched up mover. 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:35.799 I think he's gonna be a good proble. I think 0:47:35.840 --> 0:47:38.759 he's gonna outplay his size, Like you know, Marcus Jones, 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.799 we had him in here on Patriots Unfiltered yesterday, Like 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.720 he's like the defensive back version of this. Josiah Stewart's 0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:46.880 gonna be like the edge rusher version of a guy 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:49.200 who's undersized. So he'll probably go in like the third 0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.480 or fourth round because of that. But it's gonna just 0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:54.239 be a really good football player regardless of the size. 0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:55.759 All Right, you want the Day three version of that guy, 0:47:55.800 --> 0:48:00.520 then sure. Colin Oliver Oklahoma State. Yeah, really productive for 0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:03.960 the Cowboys for three years, miss most of last year. 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.000 I think it was a foot injury, right, yeah, foot injury. 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.600 So he's another one. There's an odd number of players 0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:12.440 in this draft, like more than usual that missed significant 0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:14.600 time last season, like in the season leading up to 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:18.839 the draft. So there's value there, right, and he's gonna 0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.400 have to come back. He's another He's undersized. I have 0:48:21.520 --> 0:48:24.600 it here. He is six two forty with thirty inch arms, 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:28.280 but he flies off the edge, great speed, good bend, 0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:30.640 and he's had the production, so like he's kind of 0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:32.840 proven it. He's probably never gonna be more than just 0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:34.839 a third down rusher. But if you want a guy 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.799 develop in that package, he's gonna go later because it's 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:40.480 a deep class and he was hurt. And by the way, 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.120 there's spoiler alert, he's not the only Oklahoma State player 0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.680 that fits this description. There could be some value there 0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:48.080 and he could be an interesting find for them. 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:49.520 I think I know where you're going. It might be 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:50.360 at the next position. 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:52.160 It is at the next but the other guy, I'd 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:56.360 give you two How much have you done on Kaimon Rucker. 0:48:57.120 --> 0:48:59.040 He's on my list. I have like a couple of 0:48:59.080 --> 0:49:00.239 more guys to go. 0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:02.359 I'm not sure what to make of him. I really 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:05.480 liked him in college, but it's tough for projecting him. 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:07.520 I thought i'd like it, like because when I watch 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:09.239 him in the fall and watch him as a college player, 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:12.359 mostly like I'm mentally filing it away. But like it's 0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:14.200 tougher to project him to the NFL than I thought 0:49:14.239 --> 0:49:14.560 it would be. 0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:16.799 Yeah, I have like five or six more edge guys 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:18.440 I want to get to before the draft. 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:20.080 Maybe we'll cover that next. 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:24.480 Baron Sorel from Texas, Savion Jones from melosu Kay Robinson 0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:27.520 from Alabama, who's getting some love now, you know as 0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:31.960 a just an edge rusher, you know, pure speed edge rusher. Yeah, 0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:33.640 so there's a couple more of those guys. All right, 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:37.960 let's move over to linebacker. My day two linebacker Demetrius 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:40.800 Knight from South Carolina. Yeah, shot out of the cannon, 0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:45.719 just an explosive downhill trigger his game, his game against Alabama, 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:48.960 like had it all like just chasing down Jalen Milroe, 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:51.920 you know, and uh and closing from from depth on 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:55.080 Jalen Milroe and just tackling him in space, Like there's 0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:57.480 not a whole lot of guys that can get Jalen 0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:59.839 Milroe on the ground, like you watch Jalen Miller as 0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:03.000 a runner is a leade elite, and Demetrius Knight's able 0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:07.600 to do that. Like I said, physical downhill striker, take 0:50:07.680 --> 0:50:10.720 online lineman at the point of attack. I run guys 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.360 down in the flats. You know, when he's moving downhill, 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:16.160 he's moving at a great speed, And I just love 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.799 his aggressiveness, his attack mindset. I think he's gonna fait 0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:20.760 right in in the NFL. 0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:22.320 So I feel like I've talked about a lot of 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:24.600 these guys. You guys know, I like Knight, I like 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:27.400 Chris Paul, I like Danny Stutsman, I like Beart Carter 0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.160 Vrabel's gonna love Stutsman. Yeah, like Sutsman could be Patriot. 0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:32.920 But yeah, I'll go I'm gonna give you two day 0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:34.840 three guys. So one, this is what I was in 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:37.360 at Nick martin Oklahoma State. So it's a little different. 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:38.839 They had him in here for thirty they did. 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:41.760 It's a little different than Oliver because Oliver had played 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:44.319 he was a three year starter. He played a lot 0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:45.759 for three years. I don't know he was a starter, 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.279 but like he had a regular role. Martin really didn't 0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:51.360 play like at all until twenty twenty three. He was 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:55.000 freaking unbelievable one hundred and forty tackles all over the field, 0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:57.359 looked like one of the best athletes on the field, 0:50:57.440 --> 0:51:00.760 whoever the opponent was. I mean, he was flying around regularly, 0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:03.520 get into the football, making plays on the ball, three 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:07.279 down player, all of that, and then two games into 0:51:07.320 --> 0:51:09.440 the season last year he gets hurt and he was 0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:10.840 the rest of the season. I don't know if you 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.200 have his injury ev and I don't have it pulled up, 0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:19.600 but Mick Martins, yeah, so yeah, you talk about a 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:25.400 ball of play, Rightney, Okay, So, like I, I the 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.640 guys that just have one year of experience, whether it 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:33.640 be injury related or something else, it always worries me because, 0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.239 as we've seen in the past, you can have one 0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:38.800 really good year in college football the piece hasn't come together, 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:44.560 and that can just be kind of it. So, like I, I, 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:46.760 this isn't me telling you he's gonna be a great player. 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.000 This is me telling you there's a lot there that 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:51.200 I like that I'd like to see them work with 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:53.759 and the fact that he's a projected like fifth sixth 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:55.960 round pick, that's where you should be taking a guy 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:58.719 like yeah. So people are gonna hear this and say 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.520 Cameron mcgron and roll their Yeah. He is kind of 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:03.920 similar to Cameron mcgroun, if anything, is litt less experienced 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:04.880 than Cameron mcgron was. 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:06.840 I got a lot of heat for liking Cameron mcgron. 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:09.200 I'll take that flyer every time. If you take that 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:12.319 flyer four times the pick or five times, you get 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.120 one stud player out of it. And I'm talking about 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:15.600 in the fifth, sixth, seventh round. 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:17.480 Yeah, I'm fine. 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:19.600 You want to take one flyer like that a year, 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:22.719 especially if you have like day of what eight picks, yep, 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:25.440 nine picks, go for it. So Nick Martin is a 0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.239 guy put on that list, especially because the fit. I 0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:30.759 think they're in a position where for And that was 0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.480 the weird thing about mcgroen. He wasn't their kind of linebacker. 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:37.080 He didn't fit into their defense. I think Nick Martin 0:52:37.200 --> 0:52:40.960 fits really well given the linebacker editions they've made, Like 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.040 he plays the position the way they want it played. 0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:44.719 There's gonna be less of a growing curve for him. 0:52:44.800 --> 0:52:47.040 He was my fifty first guy on my Big Boy. Really, 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:49.160 I wanted to get him on there because I tried 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:52.239 to get everybody that they had in for a thirty visit. 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:55.560 Reportedly had in here a thirty visit. He's one of them. 0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:58.480 And to your point, the way that they the body 0:52:58.560 --> 0:53:01.360 type that they've looked for at line, it's nick more the. 0:53:01.360 --> 0:53:04.000 Body and the athleticis. Yeah, he's a really good appen Yeah. 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:05.359 He checks all the boxes for them. 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:05.880 Uh. 0:53:05.920 --> 0:53:08.120 The guy that I had on day three was Jack 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:10.400 Kaiser from Notre Dame because I just think he's like 0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:12.800 a throwback linebacker. Yeah, you know, he's just one of 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:15.680 those guys that's gonna, you know, move lad early, follow 0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:18.600 the ball, good instincts, gonna be around the football a 0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:20.640 lot as a tackler, going to clean up in the 0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:24.120 run game. I believe that Jack Kaiser is gonna be 0:53:24.200 --> 0:53:26.160 a tackling machine at the next level. He might not 0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:30.040 be the most impactful linebacker, Like he's not gonna be 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:33.040 someone that's gonna make splash plays all over the field 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:36.040 like a Demetrius Night might. But Jack Kaiser, I think, 0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:38.240 is gonna be a guy that's gonna rack up tackles 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:39.399 just being in the action. 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.600 Also team captain, and I think any any line as 0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:47.359 we go, edge rusher's, linebackers, corner safeties, like yeah, when 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:50.080 you're getting a Day three that special teams experience is important. 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:52.759 He has a ton of special teams experience. Ye King's guy, 0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:56.440 My Day three linebacker Sean Dolak from Buffalo. I don't 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:58.080 know how much you know about Sean Dorry. I don't 0:53:58.280 --> 0:53:59.800 because that is the kind of guy that would be 0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:03.160 a little off your board here. So Sean Dolak tell 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:06.720 me this sounds like a Mike Vrabel player. Sean Dolac 0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:10.520 began his career at Buffalo as a walk on. Now 0:54:10.640 --> 0:54:15.360 five years later he is a consensus All American. The 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:19.520 production is absolutely insane. I think he had one hundred 0:54:19.560 --> 0:54:22.160 and sixty tackles last year, had one hundred and sixty 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:25.240 tackles two years before that. He was heard in between. 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:30.239 He's kind of undersize six five. You know, he's not 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:32.319 necessarily as big and as strong as some of these 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:35.200 guys are, but plays with great instincts, plays with a 0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:39.759 great motor. Again, captain walk on to All American. That 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:41.920 whole thing he might not get drafted. He might be 0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:44.520 u DFA. You talk about a guy that can come 0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:47.800 in and be a core special teamer for years, certainly 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:50.000 has that projection, and then maybe he fills in a 0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:52.520 little bit of linebacker as well. When we talk about 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:55.600 a Vrabel guy, like I kind of said before, Jack 0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:58.280 Sawyer is everything that the sauces has been pointing towards 0:54:59.200 --> 0:55:02.600 Sean Dolac. The tiebreaker there might just be Ohio State 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:06.080 because Sean Dolak has that as well. Isn't necessarily gonna 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:09.400 be like a big defensive weapon, but he seems like 0:55:09.480 --> 0:55:11.279 the kind of guy they're gonna wan on the football team. 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.680 All right, Corners, I'm sticking with the Notre Dame theme here. 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:17.359 I mean going with Ben Morrison from Notre Dame as 0:55:17.440 --> 0:55:18.440 my I did too. 0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:20.359 He's there's great value there. 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:24.040 He's injury, which I think is is a little bit 0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:26.200 why he's not getting as much buzz as some of 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:29.600 these other guys at the cornerback position. But his man 0:55:29.719 --> 0:55:32.560 coverage tape, like his ability to stick to receivers in 0:55:32.719 --> 0:55:35.560 man coverage. I'll take that against pretty much any non 0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:37.759 Travis Hunter corner in this class. Like I thought his 0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.800 game against Stanford in particular. Was it was great. I 0:55:41.880 --> 0:55:44.040 mean he was just in everybody's hip pocket for four 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:50.680 straight quarters. Feisty man coverage corner, extremely sticky and glued 0:55:50.719 --> 0:55:53.520 to the route break at all times. He is a 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:57.200 pattern matching machine. Like, he's not someone that's gonna necessarily 0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:59.400 make a ton of plays on the ball. He's just 0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:01.920 gonna take this guy out of the game and you're 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:03.920 not gonna be able to throw him the football. I 0:56:04.080 --> 0:56:07.840 am surprised, and maybe it's just a type thing. I 0:56:07.920 --> 0:56:09.759 also think it's you know, a flavor thing. And I 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:11.960 think it's also you know, this time of year, a 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:14.279 lot of people tend to gravitate towards guys that have 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.480 big interception numbers or pick sixes or whatever the case 0:56:17.560 --> 0:56:20.080 may be. You know, I'm a man coverage guy. It's 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:22.800 probably just from being a you know, a Patriots person. 0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:25.880 But I look at Ben Morrison as as one of 0:56:25.920 --> 0:56:28.759 the top top man coverage corners in this crowd. 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:30.359 Well he was. He was a first round pick until 0:56:30.360 --> 0:56:33.279 the hip injury. Yeah, so he's another guy. It's another 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:35.239 guy where like the medicals are gonna be a part 0:56:35.239 --> 0:56:39.200 of the evaluation. Yep, I should probably go Darien Porter 0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:42.000 or Chevon Revel, Like that's so my kind of corner. Yeah, 0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:45.560 I think I saw Revel komped to h Tarik Wolan. 0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:48.920 Yeah, I was a little disappointed with Revel a tad. 0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:52.239 How there's nothing to see. He's played like fourteen games, 0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:54.440 I know, but I you got to watch something and 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:55.680 he's a pure projection. 0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:59.080 Yeah. Uh, he's a little stiff, like he's he's a 0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:02.560 big stiff dude, but he's a literally explosive guy. Like 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:03.279 I could see it. 0:57:03.440 --> 0:57:06.600 In like the right matchups. Right, he's his own corner, 0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:07.160 which is tough. 0:57:07.320 --> 0:57:10.200 Yeah, I just didn't necessarily love the transitions, Like I 0:57:10.239 --> 0:57:12.680 thought he was a little stiff in the hips, but I. 0:57:12.719 --> 0:57:14.759 Think that's something you learn as you play. And he 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:17.120 just hasn't played a lot of football. Yeah that's possible, 0:57:17.160 --> 0:57:18.840 like the injury this year killed him. So those are 0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:21.120 those of the guys I'd usually go towards Sevon Revel, 0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.720 Darian Port, I means six three two a what random 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:26.520 four to three, he's just like ninety years old. And 0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:30.040 another guy that's his own corner, yeah, Jacob Parrish, Yeah, 0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:33.120 Jacob Parrish. There's a lot of John Jones there. Yeah, 0:57:33.240 --> 0:57:35.439 there's a lot of John Jones can play the slot 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.240 like he'll be primarily slot corner. The NFL can play 0:57:38.240 --> 0:57:41.640 the boundary, can play safety, plays bigger than a size, physical, 0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.360 really smart football player. That's just kind of guy you 0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:49.320 want your secondary. I think versatility all right, versutill He's 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:51.240 probably more important on the offensive line than anywhere else. 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:54.240 After that, I think versatility in the secondary is more important. 0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:56.400 The more you can do in the secondary, not only 0:57:56.440 --> 0:57:59.240 does it help you keep depth, it helps you just 0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:02.000 guy's coverage it right, because if a guy can line 0:58:02.080 --> 0:58:04.760 up anywhere and realistically play any of those spots, the 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:07.800 defense doesn't know what to expect or the offense doesn't 0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:10.920 know what to expect. So I think Parish can come 0:58:10.960 --> 0:58:14.480 in here give them depth in the slot. Could potentially 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.000 start if Marcus Jones leaves. He's in a contract here. 0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:19.000 I'd like them to keep Marcus Jones, but you know 0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:20.960 he gets hurt a lot too, write that sort of thing, 0:58:22.120 --> 0:58:24.120 and I just think he can be useful player for them. 0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:28.000 I had one corner on my big board. Yeah it 0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:31.320 was Jacob Parish. Like I feel like Jacob Parrish to 0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:31.680 play this. 0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:35.240 I had one corner on but he said to the 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:37.040 visits they met with Blalcomb and it. 0:58:37.080 --> 0:58:40.240 Was Jacob Parish who also they reportedly had a visit, 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:44.680 and I just you explained it. He's Jonathan Jones to 0:58:44.800 --> 0:58:47.840 point out to me and to play the slot. Carlon 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.560 Davis and Christian Gonzales on the outside, Jacob Parrish in 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:52.840 the slot makes a whole lot of sense. I think, 0:58:52.920 --> 0:58:55.760 you know, Jonathan Jones is probably the right colm. There's 0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:57.480 a little bit of Trent McDuffie in there if you 0:58:57.520 --> 0:58:59.200 want to go ceiling, like if you want to be 0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:02.320 a hot really on the player. But that's the archetype, right, 0:59:02.400 --> 0:59:05.080 a guy that's probably at his best, you know, playing 0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:08.840 inside or moving around the formation with like a a 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:11.480 Z receiver, you know, the pure route runner of the 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.880 of the group, and then you know, occasionally play on 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:18.520 the outside. But I love Jacob Parrish's film. He also 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:20.400 puts his nose in there in the run game at 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:23.960 his size pretty well and scrappy guy too, So I 0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:26.680 was really high on him too. U Day day three 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:30.880 cornerback Mac McWilliams, Yes, UCF had. 0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:33.200 That's kind of Day three. I was literally about to 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:36.160 say the other John Jones comp John Jones. 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:37.960 I kind of see a little Jack Jones in him too. 0:59:38.480 --> 0:59:41.360 Like I said, there was somebody I think was Kobe Bryant, 0:59:41.600 --> 0:59:44.080 I saw like Jones. 0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:48.000 Yeah. So Mac McWilliams is again, a slot corner, probably 0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:51.160 a nickel at the NFL level, maybe a safety, even 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:52.800 nickels safety if you want to call it that. 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:54.840 He played a little deep safety at Yeah, he. 0:59:54.840 --> 0:59:56.960 Can play man to man in the slot though. I 0:59:57.080 --> 0:59:59.240 had a really good Senior Bowl week. Was really feisty, 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.720 really sticky and coverage, play man to man, you know, 1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:05.760 run around with slot corner slot receivers. I should say 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:09.000 all day long. I really liked mc McWilliams and mobile. 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:10.920 I thought he came in with an edge. I thought 1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:13.760 he came in with some fires and competitives, that alpha 1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:16.640 corner mentality, like he'd break up a pass and you 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:18.880 let him hear about it. I like those types of guys. 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:21.360 It doesn't hurt to have those types of guys. Ever, 1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:24.320 So if you know Jacob Parrish is kind of the 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:27.040 day too version of this, I would say Mac McWilliams 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:28.440 is the day three So. 1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:30.280 I and you covered it all there, and I love 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:33.320 his ability to play safety too. Yeah, I am curious 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:35.960 what you thought. We talked a little about a bit 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:37.960 about him last week of Denzel Burke. 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:43.960 Yeah, so Denzel Burke to me was I had some 1:00:44.160 --> 1:00:46.480 questions about his top end speed, his long speed to 1:00:46.520 --> 1:00:50.080 carry verticals on the outside a lot. It kind of 1:00:50.160 --> 1:00:52.360 reminds me a lot of Sean Waite like in terms 1:00:52.400 --> 1:00:54.360 of his career path. And maybe it's just the ohigest 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:55.200 very similar. 1:00:55.560 --> 1:00:55.720 You know. 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:59.000 It was a really high projected player early on in 1:00:59.080 --> 1:01:01.600 his career, had an injury, had some issues. 1:01:02.040 --> 1:01:04.880 Well not just projected. He was a freshman All American. 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:05.680 Yeah, so he was. 1:01:05.800 --> 1:01:09.280 He was the first true freshman to start again to 1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:12.280 start the season open for Ohio State since former Patriot 1:01:12.320 --> 1:01:13.120 Andy Katzimware. 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:14.520 Oh that's an interesting stat. 1:01:14.520 --> 1:01:16.160 I just want to get Andy Katzman. Yeah, I know 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:19.280 there and the show of like three years you've never gasl. 1:01:19.360 --> 1:01:22.560 Burke is one of those guys that's gonna play in 1:01:22.680 --> 1:01:25.200 the league for a while. But he might not ever 1:01:25.320 --> 1:01:27.480 be like a standout player, but he's going to be 1:01:27.520 --> 1:01:29.840 able to play a lot of snaps. A comp that 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:31.440 I came up with with him was kind of like 1:01:31.480 --> 1:01:33.919 a Jalen Mills type, right, Like he's just that sort 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:38.000 of player, like not necessarily exactly the style of play, 1:01:38.080 --> 1:01:40.880 but just like the usage of like, Okay, this is 1:01:40.960 --> 1:01:43.480 gonna be an NFL defensive back for a while, But 1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:46.120 is he ever going to be like a number one corner. 1:01:46.400 --> 1:01:49.560 Probably not, but he's he's going to belong on an NFL. Yeah, 1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:51.600 that those are your corners. 1:01:51.640 --> 1:01:53.760 I mean, if I had to give another one, it 1:01:54.120 --> 1:01:56.360 I like blal Cone. I don't know how much sense 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:58.320 he makes for them at this point. They need slot guys. 1:01:58.320 --> 1:02:02.680 They're actually pretty good on size. But who's the I'm 1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:04.440 laying you on the name now there is another slot guy. 1:02:04.520 --> 1:02:09.080 Oh Jabar Muhammad. Yeah, Morgan played on the boundary exclusively, 1:02:09.080 --> 1:02:12.400 almost exclusively in college. Was part of both the Washington 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.880 Or and Oregon teams that went to the playoff. He's 1:02:14.920 --> 1:02:17.320 gonna move in the inside of the next level really good. 1:02:17.400 --> 1:02:20.120 When the ball's in the air, he you know, he's 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:23.280 not the stickiest cover corner, but he's fine. But he 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:25.200 does a good job of recovering. And then when the 1:02:25.240 --> 1:02:27.040 ball's in the air and at the catch point, especially 1:02:27.080 --> 1:02:30.480 for guys' size, is very very competitive. So I think 1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:32.840 there's some real UNTAP patent if you can improve his 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:35.360 cover skills and kind of get him, you know, in 1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:38.120 the film room and recognizing patterns and things like that, 1:02:39.400 --> 1:02:41.000 and just maybe work on his footwork. I don't know 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:42.880 exactly what it is that his cover skills aren't there. 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:44.480 Those are just a couple of things that can you 1:02:44.560 --> 1:02:46.240 can do to improve it. Like I think there's some 1:02:46.320 --> 1:02:48.000 real untap potential. But he is small. He's gonna have 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:48.640 to play in the slot. 1:02:49.040 --> 1:02:51.960 Okay, safety, See this is a good pace, all right. 1:02:52.160 --> 1:02:54.120 He didn't take an hour and a half to get 1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:56.840 through all the different positions. Is nice already. Kickers. 1:02:56.880 --> 1:02:58.120 I don't care if say we're doing kickers. 1:02:58.320 --> 1:03:00.320 My day two safety might be the same as yours. 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.520 But I just love this player so much I had 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:05.760 to give him the hype. Andrew from Texas is just 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:06.840 the absolute dog. 1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:10.040 That's the That's the guy I've been screaming about them 1:03:10.120 --> 1:03:13.800 getting for two years now retired. Is that not the 1:03:13.920 --> 1:03:15.480 exact guy? He so? 1:03:16.280 --> 1:03:20.440 For whatever reason, like I feel like I'm much higher 1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:22.120 on him than a lot of other people. 1:03:21.960 --> 1:03:26.200 Are, Like every week, what are you people looking at? 1:03:26.280 --> 1:03:28.160 I think it's because of the size, Like I would think, 1:03:28.200 --> 1:03:29.160 like he's not the biggest guy. 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:31.360 I'm not super word. How big was devinc Cordy? I'm 1:03:31.360 --> 1:03:35.840 not super fine. Can you cover ground? That's all I 1:03:35.960 --> 1:03:37.280 care about all but like. 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:42.480 Just absolute uh shot out of a cannon trigger to 1:03:42.600 --> 1:03:45.840 the football, whether it's ranging over the top, you know, 1:03:45.960 --> 1:03:48.439 fill in the alley in the run game, screen game, 1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:51.040 whatever the case may be. That interception that he made 1:03:51.080 --> 1:03:55.480 against Georgia was just ridiculous, uh, insane ball skills, Like 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:57.720 has that ability to rotate, you know, down into the 1:03:57.800 --> 1:03:59.840 robber role or play the deep part of the field, 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:02.920 or play split safety. I just think that he's gonna 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:05.920 be a hell of a football player. That another one 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.760 of those guys that might not have like the size, 1:04:08.800 --> 1:04:13.280 speed measureables that everybody you know goes ooh and ah over, 1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:17.560 but it's gonna vastly outplay the physical tools that that 1:04:17.960 --> 1:04:20.840 are at his disposal, with instincts and just you know, 1:04:21.480 --> 1:04:24.080 feel for the game and and uh and just talent, 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:27.480 you know, in terms of football talent. So I can't 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:29.640 say enough good things about Andrew mccooba. I think he's 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:32.560 a heck of a safety. And I put Billy Bowman 1:04:32.720 --> 1:04:35.160 like kind of in the same sort of bucket. Guy 1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:37.560 with those two guys. I thought both those guys were 1:04:37.920 --> 1:04:38.680 awesome watches. 1:04:38.800 --> 1:04:41.280 Yeah, mccoob was one of my favorite players in this draft, like, 1:04:42.520 --> 1:04:44.280 not like one of the best, but I think he's 1:04:44.520 --> 1:04:47.120 really good at what he does. And the fact he's 1:04:47.120 --> 1:04:49.400 getting slept on since you took him for Day two. 1:04:50.520 --> 1:04:52.600 I'll just throw Xavier Watson there another guy that I 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:56.280 think could play the back end for them. Yeah, but 1:04:56.480 --> 1:04:59.720 I I like mccoomba and Bowman. I Bowman now is 1:04:59.720 --> 1:05:02.880 getting Day two looks. Apparently. I thought he was like 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:05.520 one oh six great, but now I guess some people 1:05:05.560 --> 1:05:07.200 think he could go on day two. I think Bowman 1:05:07.200 --> 1:05:11.280 is a little different Bowman played. He's he's shorter, but 1:05:11.400 --> 1:05:13.600 he's like he's got more muscle on him, a little 1:05:13.600 --> 1:05:15.960 bit more. I think he plays the game more physically, 1:05:16.200 --> 1:05:19.440 more with an edge. He's more to me that hybrid. 1:05:20.040 --> 1:05:22.200 He's kind of similar to Mac McWilliams, where I think 1:05:22.200 --> 1:05:25.920 they're both hybrid slot corner deep safeties. But I think 1:05:26.000 --> 1:05:29.080 McWilliams is more primarily a corner. I think Bowman is 1:05:29.160 --> 1:05:32.200 more primarily a safety like Andrew mccoob. But we've talked 1:05:32.200 --> 1:05:32.520 about this. 1:05:33.000 --> 1:05:35.680 Put mccooba as a playmaker that is gonna be around. 1:05:36.120 --> 1:05:38.800 So, like, we've talked about this deep safety role for 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:41.400 a few years now, and we talk about it every time. 1:05:41.480 --> 1:05:45.640 We talk about it in two ways, Devin mccorty and 1:05:45.720 --> 1:05:47.840 Deron Harmon. And there's the guy that's gonna be out 1:05:47.840 --> 1:05:50.800 there and you're gonna play single high a lot because 1:05:50.840 --> 1:05:53.520 this guy's on the field seventy eighty ninety percent of 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:55.800 the time Devin mccorty was leading the Patriots and snaps 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:57.680 every year. And then there's also, all right, if you 1:05:57.720 --> 1:05:59.840 don't get that guy, can you get a guy like 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:02.640 Drawn Harmon who can come on the field and just 1:06:02.720 --> 1:06:06.040 play it situationally when you're in clear passing situations, two 1:06:06.080 --> 1:06:08.680 minute trail, third and long things like that. So, to me, 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:12.680 like Billy Bowman is a situational deep safety. Billy Bowman 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:14.280 is not gonna be a guy who's gonna play ninety 1:06:14.280 --> 1:06:16.160 percent of your defensive snaps. It's gonna be out there 1:06:16.240 --> 1:06:18.439 fifty to sixty percent of the time. He's gonna play 1:06:18.480 --> 1:06:20.280 the role really well, but you're not gonna want to 1:06:20.320 --> 1:06:24.600 overdo it. Andrew mccooba, I'm fine if Andrew mccoop maybe 1:06:24.640 --> 1:06:26.640 not as a rookie, but like Andrew mccooba, to me 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:28.600 is a guy that can full time play the Devin 1:06:28.680 --> 1:06:31.680 mccordy role and be on and not come off the field. 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:34.320 Bowman to me is more situational. So the guy that 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:37.080 I looked at and I say rotational in that situation. 1:06:37.200 --> 1:06:39.880 Yeah, I have been pumping this guy's tires as sort 1:06:39.920 --> 1:06:43.600 of the Deron Harmon Day three pick is Malchai Moore 1:06:43.680 --> 1:06:46.880 from Alabama. Yeah, who has similar you know, range and 1:06:47.000 --> 1:06:50.560 instincts and ball howking ability in the deep part of 1:06:50.600 --> 1:06:53.160 the field. I think he's one of those guys that 1:06:53.360 --> 1:06:57.040 is exactly the Deron Harmon role, like third down in 1:06:57.200 --> 1:06:59.240 eight and you gotta have it, like you just put 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:01.520 him in the deep middle. He's going to cover the post, 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:04.360 He's going to cover over the top. He's gonna, you know, 1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:07.800 take advantage of those arm punts that every once in 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:10.920 a while Dron Harmon would take advantage of the closer 1:07:11.360 --> 1:07:13.720 right and go and make those types of plays. Is 1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:15.360 he Ed Reid in the middle of the field. No, 1:07:15.680 --> 1:07:18.440 like's not. He's not that kind of impact player, but 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:20.160 he's a guy that can come in and play that 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:23.240 role and allow Kyle Dugger and Jabriel Peppers to do 1:07:23.320 --> 1:07:25.520 their thing closer to the line of scrimmage. And we've 1:07:25.520 --> 1:07:27.240 been talking about this a lot, and I feel like, 1:07:27.480 --> 1:07:30.040 you know, every single year, and some people push back 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:32.880 on it, but I really feel strongly that they got 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:36.240 to get those guys Dugger and Peppers back into their 1:07:36.360 --> 1:07:39.680 natural spots, especially yes when the game is on the 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:43.280 line and when they're really in those money situations. Get 1:07:43.360 --> 1:07:45.480 Kyle Dugger out of the middle of the field, get 1:07:45.560 --> 1:07:48.120 him closer to the box, get him moving forward again, 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:50.840 get him blitzing, get him covering tight ends, you know, 1:07:50.920 --> 1:07:53.160 like that sort of thing. I think there's so they're 1:07:53.240 --> 1:07:56.120 much better players when Dugger and Peppers are doing those 1:07:56.200 --> 1:07:59.440 types of things versus asking them to play free safety. 1:07:59.680 --> 1:08:01.480 So even if it's a guy that comes in that's 1:08:01.520 --> 1:08:03.640 only going to play thirty five forty percent of the 1:08:03.680 --> 1:08:06.920 snaps fifty percent of the snaps, but it's allowing those 1:08:07.000 --> 1:08:09.400 guys to play where they should be playing. I think 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:14.280 that would really complete this secondary like puzzle completely to get. 1:08:14.360 --> 1:08:17.920 We're back to the Javon Holland talk based all right, 1:08:17.920 --> 1:08:21.160 do you have any more safety Day three? Deep Safety Uh, 1:08:21.640 --> 1:08:22.920 Dante Trader from Maryland. 1:08:23.080 --> 1:08:25.120 I loved him at the Senior Bowl. I thought he 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:25.840 was a really good player. 1:08:26.040 --> 1:08:27.720 This is Bill's guy. You know, he was a top 1:08:27.800 --> 1:08:29.760 ten lacrosse recruit coming out of high school. 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:32.840 Yeah, he was. He he moved up the board a 1:08:32.880 --> 1:08:35.439 little bit. I think maybe the Senior Bowl helped him. 1:08:35.439 --> 1:08:36.320 He had a good week down. 1:08:36.520 --> 1:08:38.479 Big Tom lacrosse player and football player. 1:08:38.760 --> 1:08:38.880 Uh. 1:08:39.160 --> 1:08:40.960 And you know, I was just going to get to 1:08:41.040 --> 1:08:45.280 focus on football. Rob like again too, sport athletes like. 1:08:45.360 --> 1:08:48.519 He's athletic as hell. He's one of the most truly 1:08:48.600 --> 1:08:52.240 athletic players in this draft to me, hyper athletic safety. 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:55.479 At the very worst, you're getting a plus special teams player. 1:08:55.520 --> 1:08:57.160 And for a guy that's projected to go I mean, 1:08:57.560 --> 1:09:00.280 I think could probably get him one seventy one would 1:09:00.320 --> 1:09:01.800 be the earliest I think you need to take him. 1:09:01.840 --> 1:09:02.960 You might be able to get him with those two 1:09:03.000 --> 1:09:06.880 hundred picks. A guy like that to make good, that'd 1:09:06.920 --> 1:09:07.720 be good solid pick. 1:09:08.040 --> 1:09:10.840 Yeah, he's kind of a hybrid safety to me, just 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:12.360 at least the way I used him at the scene. 1:09:12.520 --> 1:09:14.280 But I think he's he can play a little bit 1:09:14.320 --> 1:09:16.559 in the box and cover tight ends and also played. 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:18.840 He's still so raw. I like him as a coverage player. 1:09:19.720 --> 1:09:22.000 He's still so raw. You've got to turn him into 1:09:22.040 --> 1:09:23.760 whatever you want him to be. I don't know that 1:09:23.840 --> 1:09:25.439 he has a skill set at this point that it's 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:27.599 like he needs to play here, he needs to play there. 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:30.200 He's just an athlete. Stick him somewhere and let him 1:09:30.240 --> 1:09:30.799 learn the position. 1:09:31.080 --> 1:09:33.680 In mobile he played, they had him doing one on 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:36.120 ones against tight ends for a lot of the week 1:09:36.360 --> 1:09:37.840 and he did a really good job. Like I think 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:40.160 he was one of the better safeties in respects of, 1:09:40.439 --> 1:09:42.200 you know, covering some of those tight ends down there 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:44.320 at the Senior Bowl. So definitely a guy on my 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:46.400 list as well. All Right, we're going to get into 1:09:46.400 --> 1:09:48.439 all your lovely calls and emails here. We've got tons 1:09:48.439 --> 1:09:50.880 of emails rolling in alex So as you can expect, 1:09:50.920 --> 1:09:52.560 you know, eight days before the draft. You know the 1:09:52.600 --> 1:09:55.599 people you want to be heard from. But before we do, wait, 1:09:55.680 --> 1:09:56.479 we we more position. 1:09:56.880 --> 1:09:59.920 You almost stuck down by me. Yes, give me one kicker. 1:10:00.200 --> 1:10:01.800 Give name a kicker in the draft. 1:10:01.880 --> 1:10:02.720 Ryan Fitzgerald. 1:10:03.160 --> 1:10:07.080 All right, why Ryan Fitzgerald flories state why big Leg Okay. 1:10:07.120 --> 1:10:09.920 Can hit from fifty plus? Made a fifty nine yarder 1:10:09.960 --> 1:10:10.800 against Georgia Tech. 1:10:10.840 --> 1:10:11.160 I heard. 1:10:11.200 --> 1:10:12.599 I read that on NFL dot Com. 1:10:12.720 --> 1:10:14.679 Yeah I did. I think that was an islands. 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:19.360 Yeah, big leg cut it through the Foxborough winters, got 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:22.680 good ballflight, you know, the ballflies high, which is what 1:10:22.800 --> 1:10:24.880 Jeremy Springer was talking about. I got to cut it 1:10:24.960 --> 1:10:28.920 through the wind in the air here in Foxborough. Ryan Fitzgerald, 1:10:29.200 --> 1:10:32.519 I still like Sauls. I think they're gonna take Borgallis is. 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:33.880 The other thing Springer talked about a. 1:10:33.880 --> 1:10:36.840 Lot was consistency. So Sauls had a really good twenty 1:10:36.880 --> 1:10:39.760 twenty two. He had an excellent twenty twenty four. He 1:10:39.960 --> 1:10:42.080 kind of slipped in twenty twenty three. He took a 1:10:42.120 --> 1:10:44.920 step back. He didn't have a good year. Borgallis has 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:47.479 been steady all four years, has been a starter at Miami. 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:49.519 I think that's what they're gonna value more than the 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:50.320 bad weather. 1:10:50.479 --> 1:10:52.880 Yeah. Fitzgerald, at least from what I read, again, did 1:10:52.960 --> 1:10:55.400 not do any homework on the Kickers, besides reading NFL 1:10:55.439 --> 1:10:58.720 dot COM's scotting report. Yeah, like forty to forty nine 1:10:58.880 --> 1:11:00.920 range is a little iffy for him, but he's like 1:11:01.400 --> 1:11:04.280 money from inside forty and then he's got the big 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:07.400 leg to kick fifty plus, but those like intermediate kicks 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:09.320 were a little bit of a up and down roller 1:11:09.400 --> 1:11:11.439 coaster for him, And I feel like that might take 1:11:11.479 --> 1:11:13.880 them off the board, you know, that might put them 1:11:13.920 --> 1:11:14.919 in a different category. 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:17.519 So then the guy you're probably looking at, if you 1:11:17.680 --> 1:11:20.800 value that, is Tyler Loop from Arizona. Loop seven of 1:11:20.840 --> 1:11:23.040 eight from forty to forty nine last year, but also 1:11:23.160 --> 1:11:26.160 was six of nine from fifty plus, including Evan a 1:11:26.360 --> 1:11:27.880 sixty two yard sixty two. 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:30.479 Get the all right, you good? Now at your. 1:11:30.439 --> 1:11:34.240 Kickers, there's like just numbers wise forget talent. There's not 1:11:34.280 --> 1:11:35.400 a lot of kickers in this draft. 1:11:35.560 --> 1:11:38.519 No, no, but it's but there's in like there's some 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:40.720 draftable kickers. Yeah, I just named the couple. 1:11:40.800 --> 1:11:44.040 Pork also get drafted. I think fitzals and Fitzgerald might 1:11:44.120 --> 1:11:45.280 be Yeah, Loop, we'll see. 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:49.519 Patriots Catch twenty two is sponsored by Massachusetts two fifty campaign, 1:11:49.880 --> 1:11:53.479 commemorating a history of possibility, Plan your revolutionary weekend at 1:11:53.560 --> 1:11:56.519 Massachusetts two fifty dot org and easy to drink, easy 1:11:56.560 --> 1:11:59.040 to enjoy. But like the official beer sponsor of the 1:11:59.120 --> 1:12:01.400 New England Patriots. All right, let's get to your phones. 1:12:01.720 --> 1:12:04.280 Into your emails. Thank you so much for waiting on 1:12:04.400 --> 1:12:05.920 the line. I know you guys have been waiting for 1:12:05.960 --> 1:12:08.759 a while. Patty is an aguam. What's up, Patty? 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:10.720 What is going on? 1:12:10.920 --> 1:12:11.080 Jon? 1:12:11.400 --> 1:12:14.080 How we doing doing great today? 1:12:14.120 --> 1:12:14.280 Man? 1:12:14.840 --> 1:12:18.599 Eight days to the draft. I just wanted to express 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:21.120 one of the things that's been Somebody brought this up 1:12:22.160 --> 1:12:23.760 and I can't remember who brought it up, but like 1:12:23.920 --> 1:12:27.080 the facts are not the fact, but like the hypothetical, 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:29.840 if we were to pick genty at number four, what 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:32.479 are the odds that, like he signs a second contract? 1:12:32.680 --> 1:12:35.679 And just let me rank here for a minute. Alex, 1:12:35.760 --> 1:12:38.880 I'm in agreement with you because I think you were 1:12:39.040 --> 1:12:41.160 one of the first two people to bring up I mean, 1:12:41.240 --> 1:12:45.080 our first three round guys. You know, they they have 1:12:45.200 --> 1:12:47.360 to contribute, they have to play, they have to contribute, 1:12:47.400 --> 1:12:50.200 maybe not even start. But to me, the bigger picture 1:12:51.520 --> 1:12:54.559 thing with this draft, because it doesn't look like it's 1:12:54.560 --> 1:12:58.000 gonna happen with what's the last year's draft, is I 1:12:58.080 --> 1:13:00.920 want all three of those picks, all four of those picks, 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:03.040 I'm sorry, in the first three rounds to be able. 1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:05.280 I want guys that are going to sign second contracts 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:08.960 because how long did we go without signing a first 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:11.479 or second round guy over the last ten years? I 1:13:11.560 --> 1:13:13.880 think Duggar was like the last one last year, right, 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:16.200 And I don't even know the answer to the question. 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:17.720 I remember looking it up. 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:18.559 It it was. 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:21.720 Yeah, it'd been like five or six years. 1:13:22.280 --> 1:13:24.880 And I think, I mean, anyway, not only do they 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:27.559 need to hit, they need they need guys that they're 1:13:27.600 --> 1:13:30.000 going to sign second contracts and be part of this 1:13:30.280 --> 1:13:33.120 nucleus in this in this rable era. That's all I got, 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:34.400 That's all I had to get off my JAD. But 1:13:34.400 --> 1:13:36.680 I'll tell you guys next week next week with my 1:13:36.800 --> 1:13:37.679 predictive picks. 1:13:38.040 --> 1:13:41.560 Awesome, love it, Pattie, Thanks for the call. It was 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:44.160 a while that in between guys. It was like Dante 1:13:44.280 --> 1:13:46.200 high Tower was like the last one for like a 1:13:46.280 --> 1:13:49.800 really long time in between guys that they drafted in 1:13:49.840 --> 1:13:52.680 the first round and signed the second contracts. I think 1:13:52.720 --> 1:13:55.599 Juwan Bentley might have ended the run technically for overall 1:13:55.720 --> 1:13:57.839 draft picks yeah, which. 1:13:57.680 --> 1:14:02.719 Is uh, yeah, I've never and Jennings knows and Jennings 1:14:02.880 --> 1:14:08.080 for top one hundred picks before them, it was if 1:14:08.160 --> 1:14:13.120 you don't count, if you don't count, Joe Toney's franchise 1:14:13.160 --> 1:14:14.880 tag it was Oh, that's right, it was Logan Ryan 1:14:14.920 --> 1:14:17.680 and Deron Harmon. Yeah, so they had a get there. 1:14:17.960 --> 1:14:20.639 As for Genty in a second contract, I mean it's 1:14:20.640 --> 1:14:24.240 a fair question. It's obviously a position where durability is 1:14:24.320 --> 1:14:30.160 more more of a question than usual gent you're not 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:32.560 drafting gent d. I don't want to say you're not 1:14:32.640 --> 1:14:34.960 drafting Genty with a long term outlook. I don't want 1:14:34.960 --> 1:14:37.240 to say this, like I think one of the big 1:14:37.400 --> 1:14:40.080 boosts for drafting Genty if you're drafted, the part of 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:43.559 the conviction for drafting him. He's an immediate chart shot 1:14:43.600 --> 1:14:45.280 in the arm of the offense. This is not a 1:14:45.320 --> 1:14:47.200 guy that needs to develop. This is not a guy 1:14:47.280 --> 1:14:49.599 that needs to grow. He's going to step on the field. 1:14:50.360 --> 1:14:55.160 Does he have just all things, even Evan, Yeah, he has. 1:14:56.120 --> 1:14:57.920 He has a quicker path to make an impact. He's 1:14:57.960 --> 1:14:59.720 a better chance to make a massive impact more than 1:14:59.760 --> 1:15:01.000 any other player they'd take it for. 1:15:02.080 --> 1:15:05.479 Yeah, if you know, Travis Hunter and Abdol Carter aren't there. 1:15:05.960 --> 1:15:08.160 I think that what you're trying to say with Gendi 1:15:08.280 --> 1:15:12.599 to me at least, is like you just inherently expect 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:14.840 running back to have a little bit of a shorter 1:15:14.920 --> 1:15:18.280 shelf life. Yeah, and I think his career, I've said 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:21.000 this in the past, I think would probably mirror something 1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:25.360 like Zeke Elliott's career, where the rookie contract is phenomenal, 1:15:25.520 --> 1:15:27.559 Like he's like an All Pro player every single year 1:15:27.960 --> 1:15:30.160 of his rookie contract, but then once you get into 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:33.640 the second contract, you're five year six, year seven, you 1:15:33.840 --> 1:15:36.360 just see a precipitous drop off like you did with Zeke. 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:39.240 I think it's similar because Zeke also carried the ball 1:15:39.280 --> 1:15:41.280 out at Ohio State and was like a featured back 1:15:41.320 --> 1:15:43.320 at Ohio State, and then he came into the NFL 1:15:43.760 --> 1:15:46.880 and was the best player from his rookie class. Is 1:15:46.960 --> 1:15:50.240 his rookie year, I would say, and was awesome for Dallas, 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:52.200 Like Dallas was a wagon that year and had him 1:15:52.240 --> 1:15:52.799 in the playoffs. 1:15:52.840 --> 1:15:54.840 I just think if you're drafting genty, part of the 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:57.080 reason you're drafting him is to get the offense going 1:15:57.080 --> 1:15:57.960 as quick as possible. 1:15:58.040 --> 1:16:00.479 Yeah, that's probably so you think the Dallas was probably 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:02.280 you know, they didn't know that Dak was going to hit, 1:16:02.400 --> 1:16:05.040 but they had a similar kind of plan for sure 1:16:05.160 --> 1:16:08.080 with the Cowboys. All Right, Todd is in North Carolina. 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:12.360 What's up, Todd, Todday, Todd? 1:16:12.400 --> 1:16:12.960 What you got. 1:16:14.360 --> 1:16:14.599 Three? 1:16:15.160 --> 1:16:15.920 Two one? 1:16:16.040 --> 1:16:17.679 All right, Todd? We had you on hold for a while. 1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:20.479 Give us a call back if you want. Randy's in Providence. 1:16:20.520 --> 1:16:21.160 What's up, Randy? 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:26.120 Hey, how's it going? Guys? I had a quick draft 1:16:26.240 --> 1:16:27.760 question for you and a couple of names I wanted 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:30.559 to throw at you, but I first Alex had been 1:16:30.600 --> 1:16:34.000 talking about working at the stadium to open the program, 1:16:34.439 --> 1:16:35.960 and I wanted to share a quick story, if you 1:16:35.960 --> 1:16:39.880 don't mind, when I worked there in the warehouse in 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:42.000 like two thousand and five and two thousand and six, 1:16:42.439 --> 1:16:45.320 that was the year Teddy Brushy was coming back. And 1:16:45.760 --> 1:16:48.599 the warehouse they like stock up concession stands and food 1:16:48.680 --> 1:16:52.519 locations and stuff. And back then, the security CSC guys 1:16:52.960 --> 1:16:54.960 had like a food rum right by the mouth of 1:16:55.000 --> 1:16:57.320 the tunnel, and I was stalking that up when Teddy 1:16:57.360 --> 1:17:00.240 Brushy came out onto the field. And I mean he 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:01.840 was at the podium all the time. He tea him 1:17:01.880 --> 1:17:04.519 on TV, and he looked like a totally regular dude. 1:17:04.520 --> 1:17:07.160 You know, he looked like someone's dad. He's very conservative, 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:10.639 mild mannered, et cetera. But I remember watching him run 1:17:10.720 --> 1:17:14.120 past me, and he just looked like a madman. His 1:17:14.280 --> 1:17:17.360 eyes were so intense it was it blew my mind 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:18.840 that it was the same guy that I had seen 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:21.880 on TV. So I don't know, I thought it was 1:17:21.920 --> 1:17:26.320 a fun story to share with you. But the Travis Hunter, 1:17:26.640 --> 1:17:31.599 he came out with the CBS basically saying like I think, 1:17:31.640 --> 1:17:34.400 directly saying, if he wasn't allowed to play full time 1:17:34.479 --> 1:17:37.519 both sides of the ball, he would essentially retire. And 1:17:37.880 --> 1:17:40.559 I wonder how you guys think that's going to affect 1:17:40.640 --> 1:17:45.240 his stock, not just with us, but just like with 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:47.439 the rest of the league, and not even just in 1:17:47.560 --> 1:17:49.280 that he wants to play both sides of the ball 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:51.720 full time, but the idea that he can come in 1:17:51.880 --> 1:17:56.280 making such a demand might offset some coaches or ruffle 1:17:56.400 --> 1:17:59.679 some feathers and so puts. And then the couple names 1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:01.640 that after he guys is uh, I don't think I 1:18:01.720 --> 1:18:04.439 heard you mentioned either Omar Norman Law or J. J. 1:18:04.560 --> 1:18:09.200 Pagays good penetrating tackles. And then one guy on offense. 1:18:09.520 --> 1:18:12.240 Have you guys seen any lamb laris and tape? The 1:18:12.320 --> 1:18:16.000 guy is it's it's wild stuff. I mean, one hand 1:18:16.040 --> 1:18:18.599 to catch it as well. He's breaking tackles, hurtling players 1:18:18.680 --> 1:18:23.840 left and right. It's really entertaining, highlight, real stuff to watch. 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:29.160 So thanks, thanks for the caller. Any good call to 1:18:29.600 --> 1:18:32.559 the first point? Uh what was the first place? Travis 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:35.360 Hunter saying Travis Hunter, Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah. 1:18:35.439 --> 1:18:37.920 So for he didn't say he'd retire if he couldn't 1:18:37.920 --> 1:18:40.640 play both ways full time. The full time was not 1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:41.160 a part of that. 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:41.639 Yeah. 1:18:42.040 --> 1:18:45.439 Also, go ahead, dude, like, don't play football. I I 1:18:45.479 --> 1:18:47.000 don't think it's gonna impact it that much. 1:18:47.200 --> 1:18:48.559 I don't think it impacts it at all. 1:18:48.640 --> 1:18:50.760 No, he he wasn't talking about playing full time. And 1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:53.479 I do think he'll play whatever, and he's gonna play 1:18:53.479 --> 1:18:56.160 wide receiver primarily. I think wherever he ends up, I 1:18:56.240 --> 1:18:58.280 do think he'll still mix in a little bit on defense. 1:18:59.600 --> 1:19:02.120 And I again i'd call his block right, say you know, 1:19:02.120 --> 1:19:04.519 all right, finding go cover kicks. You want to be 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:06.639 on the football field, so bad, go cover kicks. 1:19:07.120 --> 1:19:10.120 I don't think it's gonna matter one. No, I think 1:19:10.200 --> 1:19:13.760 that this kind of stuff never really truly matters to 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:18.160 prospects status. I mean, he's obviously extremely unique in terms 1:19:18.160 --> 1:19:20.360 of what he can do, but I think he's going 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:22.000 to be a Cleveland Brown, And I don't think there's 1:19:22.040 --> 1:19:24.519 really much that he could say outside of like pulling 1:19:24.600 --> 1:19:26.720 like an Eli Manning and saying I refuse to play 1:19:26.760 --> 1:19:29.400 for the Cleveland Browns. Right, that would stop him from 1:19:29.920 --> 1:19:32.760 being a Cleveland Brown. So I don't necessarily look too 1:19:32.840 --> 1:19:35.080 much into any of that kind of stuff. And I 1:19:35.360 --> 1:19:37.320 am with you, it's not necessarily that he's saying that 1:19:37.360 --> 1:19:39.040 he has to play one hundred percent of the snaps 1:19:39.080 --> 1:19:41.240 on both sides of the football. He just wants the 1:19:41.320 --> 1:19:45.479 opportunity to potentially play both sides. And I keep mentioning 1:19:45.520 --> 1:19:47.560 it because he was with us yesterday. But you know, 1:19:47.640 --> 1:19:50.599 Marcus Jones has played both sides of the ball. Obviously 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:53.400 not at a high clip on offense, but he technically 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:55.439 has played both sides of the ball. So I don't 1:19:55.439 --> 1:19:57.760 think it's going to be too hard for a team 1:19:57.880 --> 1:20:01.680 to pease Travis hunt Her in that respect. You'll get 1:20:01.720 --> 1:20:04.439 them snaps on both sides of the football eventually. All 1:20:04.520 --> 1:20:07.799 right here he is Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up? Eldred? 1:20:09.840 --> 1:20:13.680 There we go, Hey, fellas, how y'all doing good? I 1:20:13.760 --> 1:20:19.040 got a question, really too okay, uh, every mock draft 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:23.320 and then some of the chat sports or NFL Rush 1:20:23.520 --> 1:20:27.000 Patriots or whatever you know podcast be listening to why 1:20:27.040 --> 1:20:29.960 everybody want to keep getting splot receivers when all that 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:33.280 we got is a bunch of slot receivers, not an X, 1:20:34.160 --> 1:20:38.920 not a true EG. And the stuccest question is what 1:20:39.160 --> 1:20:43.559 round do because I can't finding on PFF. Do they 1:20:43.680 --> 1:20:49.599 got Jordan uh selected to go in and Jalen Smith 1:20:49.680 --> 1:20:53.080 and John Giles if they're coming back or they just 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:54.200 camp body and I. 1:20:54.280 --> 1:20:57.000 Take it off their Thanks fellas, Thanks Eldrid. I think 1:20:57.040 --> 1:20:58.840 those last two guys that you mentioned they were on 1:20:58.920 --> 1:21:02.360 the Patriots roster are our practice squad, you know, camp 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:05.640 tryout types. Dante Thornton I think is probably gonna be 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:09.120 mid day three, you know, fifth or sixth round up there. 1:21:09.240 --> 1:21:14.640 He is a complete project, Like he doesn't have very 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:17.880 many branches to his roundtree. He's got you know, catch 1:21:17.960 --> 1:21:19.760 point issues that he's going to have to work out. 1:21:20.080 --> 1:21:22.760 He is a size speed project. And you know, if 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:24.839 he goes to a team that knows how to develop receivers, 1:21:24.880 --> 1:21:28.719 like if he goes to Pittsburgh for example, and trades 1:21:28.760 --> 1:21:31.960 a trains underneath dk Metcalf, who is like probably the 1:21:32.120 --> 1:21:36.280 apex of his archetype. Then maybe Dante Thornton can turn 1:21:36.360 --> 1:21:36.920 into something. 1:21:37.400 --> 1:21:37.559 Uh. 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:40.280 The reason it's a good question about you know, there's 1:21:40.280 --> 1:21:44.120 a lot of conversations about Jalen Knowle or Kyle Williams 1:21:44.240 --> 1:21:47.400 or Luther Burden, you guys that play in the slot 1:21:47.560 --> 1:21:50.800 versus outside. And I would just say, there's not a 1:21:50.920 --> 1:21:55.000 ton of pure x receivers in this draft at the 1:21:55.040 --> 1:21:57.759 top of the draft. But outside of Ted and Jenden Higgins, 1:21:58.360 --> 1:22:01.599 if it's not one of those two guys, maybe Trey Harris, 1:22:01.720 --> 1:22:04.040 you know, would probably be like first, second, third round. 1:22:04.520 --> 1:22:04.640 Uh. 1:22:04.880 --> 1:22:07.040 And so those are the three guys that really that 1:22:07.160 --> 1:22:09.439 I can think of unless you're an a man or 1:22:09.520 --> 1:22:11.520 guy who can play a little bit on the outside 1:22:11.600 --> 1:22:15.679 maybe full time and you know, obviously like Day three guys. 1:22:15.840 --> 1:22:19.320 But that's what I think. The enticing guys is the 1:22:19.360 --> 1:22:23.639 point I'm trying to make. You know, Noel Williams, Burden, 1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:27.880 like Buka, Matthew Golden, even like those guys are more 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:32.080 move you know, Z flanker type of receivers uh than 1:22:32.120 --> 1:22:34.559 the pure x guys. And that's just the type of people, 1:22:34.680 --> 1:22:36.920 you know, the type of receiver that people are looking for. 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:38.760 Well, I would also push back on the idea that 1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:42.000 all the Patriots have are slot guys. I don't think 1:22:42.280 --> 1:22:46.679 that's at least not proven. Uh, you know I, Pop 1:22:46.760 --> 1:22:49.160 Douglas is not. You gotta we gotta go back to 1:22:49.160 --> 1:22:51.000 that McDaniels offense. That's the other reason we're talking so 1:22:51.120 --> 1:22:54.240 much about the slot. This is not an offensive passing 1:22:54.280 --> 1:22:56.599 game that runs through the X receiver. It's an offense 1:22:56.600 --> 1:22:58.320 that runs through the slot receiver in the tight end. 1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:01.880 So Pop Douglas is a good player. Like I have 1:23:01.960 --> 1:23:05.040 nothing against Pop Douglas. He's not a Josh McDaniel slot player. 1:23:05.479 --> 1:23:07.880 He's gonna be more in that Chris Hogan role. He's 1:23:07.880 --> 1:23:09.680 gonna line up in the slot, but he's gonna go 1:23:09.760 --> 1:23:11.840 more vertical. He's not a chain mover. He's not a 1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:13.479 guy you can throw the ball two one hundred twenty 1:23:13.520 --> 1:23:16.479 times a season. He's just not built for that. Jalen 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:20.800 Polk is more that prototype. But is he a guy 1:23:20.880 --> 1:23:23.639 that you're comfortable putting into that spot without any real 1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:28.360 competition this year? After that, Baker's gonna play primarily on 1:23:28.400 --> 1:23:33.040 the outside. Booty is a z outside guy. I think 1:23:33.120 --> 1:23:36.080 Bourne is a true Z. Maybe you're gonna play Steph 1:23:36.120 --> 1:23:39.360 Diggs in the slot, but I guess I should have 1:23:39.400 --> 1:23:41.160 included him in there. If they're comfortable with Diggs is 1:23:41.200 --> 1:23:43.240 that guy. I don't know that that's the best uses 1:23:43.240 --> 1:23:45.720 of him, though I want him as the Z. To me, 1:23:46.040 --> 1:23:52.080 ideally it's Diggs. Digs is the full time Z. Pop 1:23:52.160 --> 1:23:54.599 Douglas is kind of your fourth receiver, your big play. 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:56.559 You know he's not gonna play a lot. When he's 1:23:56.560 --> 1:23:58.960 on the field, he makes an impact. He's Dan Avindla, right, 1:23:59.320 --> 1:24:01.160 And then you gotta get at an X in a slot. 1:24:01.800 --> 1:24:03.680 And I don't even know that they need. Like, if 1:24:03.680 --> 1:24:06.200 they want to throw Booty out there at the X, fine, 1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:08.160 if they get a really good slot receiver, I think 1:24:08.240 --> 1:24:10.439 that would work. Or you have Booty and Born and 1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:13.439 Baker all compete, what have you? Like, I do think 1:24:13.520 --> 1:24:15.639 slot's a need because this is a slot heavy offense. 1:24:15.680 --> 1:24:18.120 They don't have anybody proven there. Pop Douglas to me 1:24:18.240 --> 1:24:20.640 is a proven player, but he's not a guy you 1:24:20.720 --> 1:24:22.519 can put in that role in this offense for what 1:24:22.680 --> 1:24:23.880 that players asked to do well. 1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:26.719 So the question is really and coming off the injury 1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:30.200 is with Diggs, it's his dig's going to be able 1:24:30.280 --> 1:24:33.640 to be a high volume receiver next year. Because if 1:24:33.680 --> 1:24:36.120 he's a high volume receiver next year, then he is 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:40.000 the Z receiver in this offense that gets fed to targets. 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:44.240 That's the Edelman Welker, you know, Dion Branch, Troy Brown 1:24:44.360 --> 1:24:47.400 type of receiver in this offense. Like he's the chain mover, 1:24:47.560 --> 1:24:50.880 he's the engine of the offense. My big question with 1:24:51.240 --> 1:24:53.840 McDaniels just in general, you know, and we get to 1:24:54.479 --> 1:24:56.839 talk to him a little bit more like his offense 1:24:56.960 --> 1:24:59.439 is historically now not so much the Raiders because they 1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:01.920 ended up getting DeVante Adams and they kind of pivoted 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:05.040 away from this, But historically speaking in New England, they've 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:08.160 had a sacrificial X receiver whose job is literally just 1:25:08.240 --> 1:25:11.320 to draw coverage away from where they're actually trying to 1:25:11.360 --> 1:25:14.400 throw the football. So is he always going to have 1:25:15.160 --> 1:25:17.680 an X receiver that's just doing wind sprints on the 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:20.120 outside and occasionally if he gets behind the defense he'll 1:25:20.120 --> 1:25:23.679 see targets. Or are they going to try to revamp 1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:27.120 the offense around a X receiver that is the high 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:29.360 volume guy in the offense. You know, they did it 1:25:29.400 --> 1:25:31.720 in Vegas, DeVante Adams. They obviously did it here with 1:25:31.920 --> 1:25:34.959 Randy Moss, but that's DeVante Adams and Randy. 1:25:34.800 --> 1:25:37.719 Moss and even those two guys. Even those two guys, 1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:40.960 Moss was here with Welker. Yeah, Moss wasn't catching a 1:25:41.080 --> 1:25:45.639 hundred passes, right, Welker was to a lesser extent in Vegas. 1:25:46.240 --> 1:25:49.720 Kobe Myers, yeah, was in that role. So you need 1:25:49.800 --> 1:25:53.160 a guy in the slot that you're comfortable targeting one 1:25:53.240 --> 1:25:54.880 hundred to one hundred and twenty times in the season. 1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:57.720 It's that guy on this roster right now. I don't 1:25:57.760 --> 1:25:57.960 think so. 1:25:58.200 --> 1:26:01.760 So you don't think it's Steph Diggs because I think 1:26:01.800 --> 1:26:02.200 it might be. 1:26:02.640 --> 1:26:05.760 He probably is the best shot. Yeah, I wonder with 1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:07.360 the injury, if that's how they want to use him. 1:26:07.600 --> 1:26:08.920 You also don't have him at the beginning of the year, 1:26:08.960 --> 1:26:11.000 like you don't know where he's at. Fair Enough, he 1:26:11.120 --> 1:26:13.280 is the best shot, But I don't feel great about 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:16.200 Pulp being that guy. I like again, I like Pop 1:26:16.240 --> 1:26:18.559 as a player. That's not his role, that's not where 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:22.000 he's going to be at his best. Maybe who else 1:26:22.120 --> 1:26:24.599 is even really in contention, like has the skill set 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:24.800 for that? 1:26:25.040 --> 1:26:28.360 Yeah, I think that's their vision for Diggs, assuming that 1:26:28.439 --> 1:26:30.920 he's healthy, is to really be the chain mover and 1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:32.360 be the engine of the offense. 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:34.960 And I want to see him in was in in 1:26:35.040 --> 1:26:38.920 twenty one before he got sick, like Peek Bourne in 1:26:39.000 --> 1:26:39.439 twenty one. 1:26:40.160 --> 1:26:43.320 That's a I mean it's adjacent like where. 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:46.639 It's adjacent, but he was he was playing off of myrons. 1:26:46.760 --> 1:26:48.960 Yeah, but Bourne was like in a catch and run role, 1:26:49.120 --> 1:26:51.200 you know, like I think Diggs is a true like 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:53.719 it's thirty eight, I'm gonna get you nine ten eleves. 1:26:53.840 --> 1:26:56.519 Yeah, but I don't have a problem with that being 1:26:56.560 --> 1:26:58.280 part of diggs role. I want to see him at 1:26:58.280 --> 1:27:00.280 all three levels. I think he can still make plays 1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:02.360 at all three levels. So I'm talking about the guy 1:27:02.400 --> 1:27:05.040 that you're gonna have go, you know, run return route 1:27:05.160 --> 1:27:07.160 at the sticks. Yeah, and that's what he's doing. He's 1:27:07.160 --> 1:27:08.720 gonna do really well and he's gonna pick up yards 1:27:08.720 --> 1:27:11.960 after the catch. But that's like his assignment. I want 1:27:12.520 --> 1:27:13.960 that can be part of what Diggs does, and he 1:27:14.000 --> 1:27:16.439 can function in this role at times, but I want 1:27:16.479 --> 1:27:17.200 him doing more than that. 1:27:17.400 --> 1:27:19.560 So I agree, I could see that. I think that 1:27:19.680 --> 1:27:22.000 the role you know that you're probably talking about they're 1:27:22.080 --> 1:27:24.720 probably envisioning for pop Like I think Douglas is going 1:27:24.800 --> 1:27:27.879 to be, you know, to peer like number three inside 1:27:27.880 --> 1:27:30.200 of Haas that's running the juke series and things like that. 1:27:30.960 --> 1:27:33.200 You know, Diggs is probably gonna be running the seams 1:27:33.280 --> 1:27:35.920 or whatever. You know, I I could see that. I 1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:38.960 think that, you know, when you look at the McDaniels 1:27:39.040 --> 1:27:42.120 offense and the receivers that typically you know, have played 1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:44.080 the X in his offense, Like I think Trey Harris 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:46.320 from Ole Miss is exactly the type of X receiver 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:49.080 that they would target. That is a that he is 1:27:49.160 --> 1:27:50.160 a sacrificial act? 1:27:50.240 --> 1:27:52.439 Was he the one you compared to Lafel? Yeah, well 1:27:52.479 --> 1:27:54.800 you can do a little more than that, like sacrificial 1:27:55.000 --> 1:27:56.479 get no offense because you know, I like this players 1:27:56.560 --> 1:27:57.840 jimir Berg or. 1:27:58.880 --> 1:28:01.840 De mere Bird and Nelson or like extreme examples of 1:28:01.880 --> 1:28:04.800 what I'm talking about. But yeah, like that's the role. 1:28:05.000 --> 1:28:07.240 But that made some plays though, Yeah, and I think 1:28:07.280 --> 1:28:09.479 Trey Harris would make some play, you know, like I 1:28:09.680 --> 1:28:10.320 I think. 1:28:10.240 --> 1:28:11.920 That that's but you need to take that guy in 1:28:12.000 --> 1:28:12.639 the second round. 1:28:12.840 --> 1:28:14.640 No, I think that that's probably someone you take it 1:28:14.720 --> 1:28:15.960 the third round or maybe. 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:17.559 At one O Sick can Dante Thorton do that. 1:28:19.040 --> 1:28:21.000 Maybe in a couple of years that if he develops. 1:28:21.040 --> 1:28:23.160 You know, Dante Thornton is a is a one trick 1:28:23.240 --> 1:28:25.840 pony without very many other tricks. 1:28:25.920 --> 1:28:28.360 When you say sacrificial, I'm thinking just windsprints. 1:28:30.600 --> 1:28:32.920 I think when I say sacrificial, I mean like a 1:28:33.000 --> 1:28:38.240 guy on the outside that again is not Randy Moss, 1:28:38.360 --> 1:28:41.920 Like he's not really dictating coverage plan, but you have 1:28:42.120 --> 1:28:44.600 to at least respect the fact that he's on the field, right, 1:28:44.720 --> 1:28:47.320 Like we're not talking about a complete We're just not 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:50.040 even gonna worry about this guy being out there. But 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:52.920 it's not a high volume role, and it's a role 1:28:53.000 --> 1:28:55.760 that is a lot of clear outs, you know, taking 1:28:55.840 --> 1:28:58.960 coverage out of the way, occupying the post safety in 1:28:59.040 --> 1:29:01.360 the middle of the field, like that sort of stuff, 1:29:01.479 --> 1:29:04.000 Like because they're trying to hit you know, different areas, 1:29:04.040 --> 1:29:06.160 you know, between the numbers at the first and second level, 1:29:06.479 --> 1:29:09.240 you know, with tight ends, slot receivers, running backs out 1:29:09.240 --> 1:29:11.519 of the backfield. Uh so you have to have somebody 1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:14.720 that is there to take the top off. But that's 1:29:14.800 --> 1:29:16.880 not necessarily a guy that's gonna see a whole lot 1:29:16.920 --> 1:29:20.280 of targets. I think Trey Harris is probably the best 1:29:20.360 --> 1:29:22.920 in this draft, and you know, the third round range 1:29:23.240 --> 1:29:26.519 as somebody that could purely do that. Now if it 1:29:26.680 --> 1:29:30.360 was me to your point, a little bit like Jalen 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:32.920 Nole can come in and be like the true slot 1:29:33.160 --> 1:29:37.040 right in this off Yeah, Kyle Williams might be able 1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:39.120 to do that too and play a little bit more 1:29:39.160 --> 1:29:41.920 on the outside and kind of play almost like digs 1:29:41.920 --> 1:29:44.800 where he has like a little bit of inside outside versatility. 1:29:45.200 --> 1:29:47.240 So I just think those guys offer a little bit 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:50.320 more whereas if you're taking Trey Harris or if you're 1:29:50.320 --> 1:29:53.840 taking a o manor if you're taking even Dante Thornton later, 1:29:54.160 --> 1:29:57.680 like you're taking them to play that role for the 1:29:57.760 --> 1:29:59.720 rest of their career, right like that that's what they're 1:29:59.720 --> 1:30:00.479 gonna I'm going to do. 1:30:00.720 --> 1:30:03.080 Is one most point. At what point you look at 1:30:03.120 --> 1:30:05.760 it and just say that's mac Collins and they don't 1:30:05.760 --> 1:30:06.200 take an X. 1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:08.280 That's kind of where I'm at right Like, it's like, 1:30:08.320 --> 1:30:10.960 would you would you do that when you could have 1:30:11.080 --> 1:30:13.479 Kaishan Boody do that, or you could have MATC Collins 1:30:13.560 --> 1:30:15.840 do that? Like would you really waste a top one 1:30:15.920 --> 1:30:19.120 hundred draft pick on something that Kaishan Boody is is 1:30:19.240 --> 1:30:21.679 capable of doing. You know, every once in a while, 1:30:21.760 --> 1:30:24.080 when Kaishan Boody gets a match up and he has 1:30:24.120 --> 1:30:26.080 a good release, he's going to get a go ball. 1:30:26.120 --> 1:30:29.240 I mean it's like football ash yeah, right, like you 1:30:29.320 --> 1:30:31.559 know that, do you have to use another top one 1:30:31.640 --> 1:30:33.600 hundred pick on a guy that can just is just 1:30:33.720 --> 1:30:34.160 gonna do that? 1:30:34.479 --> 1:30:37.439 I I want them to prioritize the slot. That's what 1:30:37.560 --> 1:30:39.760 I I you need that guy that can and and 1:30:39.800 --> 1:30:42.479 you're right, it's tigging. I I er, it's it's it's nol. 1:30:42.800 --> 1:30:45.080 I even wonder about Kyle Williams in that role a 1:30:45.120 --> 1:30:47.559 little bit, just because like he's not a big guy either. 1:30:48.080 --> 1:30:49.960 He strikes me as more of a ze than like 1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:54.400 a McDaniel's slot. Yeah, yeah, he's just a great are you? 1:30:54.479 --> 1:30:55.519 Are you done with Restreppa? 1:30:56.560 --> 1:30:59.320 Pretty much like if I'm drafting Rostreppa, though I'm drafting 1:30:59.400 --> 1:31:02.120 him like to push or replace Pop Douglas, Like he's 1:31:02.200 --> 1:31:03.920 like the fourth guy in this mix. 1:31:04.000 --> 1:31:07.400 To me, I do very different things yet not really though, 1:31:07.439 --> 1:31:07.680 Like I. 1:31:07.680 --> 1:31:11.360 Think that if you fast right, but they're both in 1:31:11.479 --> 1:31:14.080 my mind guys that they're gonna have running quick hitters, 1:31:14.160 --> 1:31:16.320 like you're gonna have Ristreppa running the juke route. You're 1:31:16.320 --> 1:31:19.000 gonna have Rastrepo, you know, finding soft spots over the 1:31:19.040 --> 1:31:20.920 middle of the field and zone like that would be 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:22.600 the one thing that I would say he probably is 1:31:22.680 --> 1:31:25.800 better at than Pop, Like Pop doesn't have a great 1:31:25.920 --> 1:31:28.760 feel for zone right now yet, and like kind of 1:31:28.800 --> 1:31:31.880 finding those pockets and making himself available and things like 1:31:32.000 --> 1:31:35.080 that and settling and all that good stuff, Like Rastreppo 1:31:35.160 --> 1:31:37.400 could probably do that a little bit better already. But 1:31:37.520 --> 1:31:41.080 Pop is obviously way more dynamic, you know, as a mover, 1:31:41.760 --> 1:31:43.680 you know, Rostrepo. To me, I still think is is 1:31:44.160 --> 1:31:46.800 a Danny Amandola type, Like I still think that that's 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:47.280 a decent time. 1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:48.320 I don't think he is the burst for that. 1:31:48.400 --> 1:31:51.080 But I you're saying, yeah, all right, let's get to 1:31:51.200 --> 1:31:53.000 some of these emails. We have a lot of a 1:31:53.040 --> 1:31:57.240 lot of emails rolling in. So, uh, this is an 1:31:57.280 --> 1:31:59.360 interesting question, and I think it's something that we've talked 1:31:59.360 --> 1:32:03.400 about a little bit. But this is Steven from Crown 1:32:03.439 --> 1:32:05.000 Point and he did a lot of homework. I don't know, 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:08.240 we can't really translate this to Radio Steven, So I apologize, 1:32:08.280 --> 1:32:12.400 but basically his his argument is, you know, Will Campbell 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:14.680 obviously has a lot of talk about his arm lane 1:32:14.720 --> 1:32:17.680 thirty two and five minutes thirty combine thirty three at 1:32:17.720 --> 1:32:21.840 his pro day, and he mentioned all of the he 1:32:22.000 --> 1:32:24.800 did the homework of all the pass rushers that Will 1:32:24.880 --> 1:32:27.439 Campbell faced and our top one hundred guys that he 1:32:27.520 --> 1:32:31.280 faced in twenty twenty five and wrote down all of 1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:35.000 their their arm lights and basically made the point that 1:32:35.160 --> 1:32:38.639 he's been winning against guys with longer arms than him 1:32:39.080 --> 1:32:41.760 for yeah, three years in the SEC. 1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:43.080 Those guys are going to the league. 1:32:43.600 --> 1:32:45.720 Yeah. So the one guy that I looked at when 1:32:45.760 --> 1:32:49.200 I wrote my film review of Will Campbell, which published 1:32:49.200 --> 1:32:52.000 today on Patriots dot Com, was a Shamar Stewart who 1:32:52.000 --> 1:32:53.479 has over thirty four inch arms. 1:32:53.560 --> 1:32:53.760 Yeah. 1:32:53.840 --> 1:32:56.040 And now I'm not the biggest Shamar Stewart fan, so 1:32:56.120 --> 1:32:59.080 maybe it's a little bit. You know, I already kind 1:32:59.120 --> 1:33:01.640 of have some concerns about Stuart as a player, and 1:33:01.800 --> 1:33:05.759 I kind of pumped up Campbell using Stewart as an example. 1:33:05.840 --> 1:33:09.160 But Stewart is a has thirty four inch arms and 1:33:09.360 --> 1:33:12.400 is a bull rusher, Like that's a power, linear, down 1:33:12.439 --> 1:33:15.439 the hill bull rusher with great arm light and great 1:33:15.520 --> 1:33:19.240 raw measurables, and Will Campbell had no problem whatsoever anchoring 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:22.360 against Jamar Stewart in that game. So I use that 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:25.800 as an example. You know, it's a great point. It's 1:33:25.840 --> 1:33:29.200 a great point about Will Campbell's arm length and something 1:33:29.240 --> 1:33:30.960 that I feel like we've touched on a little bit. 1:33:31.520 --> 1:33:35.680 This is another question about tackles from Larry, and he 1:33:36.040 --> 1:33:38.760 just wanted us to give like the best case and 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:43.000 worst case scenario for Will Campbell and armand Membo. Now 1:33:43.479 --> 1:33:45.880 I always put this caveat in there. The worst case 1:33:45.920 --> 1:33:47.880 for any draft prospect is that they stink in their 1:33:47.880 --> 1:33:50.680 out of the league, right, That's the worst case. But 1:33:50.800 --> 1:33:53.960 let's let's talk about, you know, realistic worst cases. And 1:33:54.080 --> 1:33:56.360 I think you know the answer for Will Campbell's obvious 1:33:56.439 --> 1:33:59.840 he's either a best case, great franchise left tackle or 1:34:00.080 --> 1:34:02.320 worst case he's a left guard, starting left guard in 1:34:02.400 --> 1:34:05.360 the NFL. With Membo, I think it's either a franchise 1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:06.719 left tackle or right tackle. 1:34:06.880 --> 1:34:07.000 You know. 1:34:07.240 --> 1:34:10.320 I think that's the one case for the pro Membu 1:34:10.520 --> 1:34:13.639 people that I don't hear enough of pro Membu people make, 1:34:14.160 --> 1:34:17.040 is that worst case scenario. If we're gonna give Will 1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:19.880 Campbell that he's gonna be a good guard no matter what. 1:34:20.520 --> 1:34:22.920 Then why would we not give Membu that he's gonna 1:34:22.920 --> 1:34:24.439 be a good right tackle no matter what? 1:34:24.680 --> 1:34:24.800 Right? 1:34:24.840 --> 1:34:26.800 Like that just stands to reason. 1:34:26.600 --> 1:34:28.680 Because the Patriots don't need a right tackle, and there 1:34:28.760 --> 1:34:31.400 is an argument not to need a left guard immediately. 1:34:31.479 --> 1:34:37.120 But I would I would structure that differently, like who 1:34:37.280 --> 1:34:41.120 has the quicker path to the worst case And I 1:34:41.160 --> 1:34:45.160 think it's Membo. Yeah, that move is so tough, and Campbell, Yeah, 1:34:45.160 --> 1:34:49.320 he doesn't have the longest arms, but they've they're not 1:34:49.920 --> 1:34:52.639 uncharacteristically short, despite what some people think. He's at thirty 1:34:52.640 --> 1:34:55.880 three inches, the same as Rashawan Slater. And mostly he 1:34:55.920 --> 1:34:58.800 doesn't have to learn anything new. He gets to play 1:34:58.840 --> 1:35:01.559 the same position he's played a entire life armand Membu 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:03.040 is to come in and play a position he's never 1:35:03.120 --> 1:35:07.000 played in his life. Like that's a major variable that 1:35:07.120 --> 1:35:09.519 doesn't get talked about, Like people talk about, oh, well, 1:35:09.560 --> 1:35:13.200 you know it's arm length versus position switch, and they 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:15.360 just go to arm length because it's physical. But it's like, okay, 1:35:15.439 --> 1:35:19.479 but one guy has gotten here despite that shortcoming the 1:35:19.600 --> 1:35:21.080 other guy, we have no clue what it's going to 1:35:21.160 --> 1:35:24.880 look like yeah, and so there's much more unknown there. 1:35:25.160 --> 1:35:27.439 So the question is is that, yeah, I guess the 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:34.400 pro membuah thing is okay, Morgan Moses is thirty four 1:35:34.479 --> 1:35:36.880 years old, right, So if we try him at left 1:35:36.920 --> 1:35:40.320 tackle as a rookie and worst case scenario he fails 1:35:40.360 --> 1:35:42.800 at left tackle as a rookie, how long are we 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:46.200 really expecting Morgan Moses to keep playing? So is there 1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:50.040 a chance that in twenty six armand Membu is just 1:35:50.120 --> 1:35:53.000 our starting right tackle. Now you're back to the driving 1:35:53.080 --> 1:35:55.160 board at left tackle and you have to do that 1:35:55.280 --> 1:35:57.720 whole thing all over again. But you would be in 1:35:57.800 --> 1:36:00.000 the same spot at right tackle too. If Morgan Moses 1:36:00.120 --> 1:36:03.680 this decides, I'm retiring at thirty five years old, like 1:36:03.800 --> 1:36:05.720 you also are going to need a right tackle. So 1:36:06.479 --> 1:36:09.200 in some ways, like again, like we talk about backstops 1:36:09.240 --> 1:36:11.640 with the Campbell being left guard, I don't know our 1:36:11.720 --> 1:36:14.080 guard in general. I don't understand why nobody just says 1:36:14.280 --> 1:36:16.439 the backstop for Membu is right tackle, right. 1:36:16.840 --> 1:36:19.200 It's just it's fair. But again, then the question I 1:36:19.320 --> 1:36:23.360 ask is who is who is more likely to get 1:36:23.400 --> 1:36:25.920 to the worst case, who has a tougher path to 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:27.120 avoid that worst case. 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:30.920 Yeah, I would probably say, you know, Membo is is 1:36:31.000 --> 1:36:33.519 probably more likely to play right tackle long term than 1:36:33.600 --> 1:36:37.320 left tackle, just based off of what I see him 1:36:37.360 --> 1:36:41.120 on tape. You know, his body type and his obviously 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:42.519 his experience on that side. 1:36:42.600 --> 1:36:47.439 So instead of assuming the worst case scenario, yeah, let's 1:36:47.439 --> 1:36:49.200 actually look at which player is a better chance of 1:36:49.240 --> 1:36:51.360 avoiding the worst case scenario. And I think that's Campbell. 1:36:52.040 --> 1:36:53.920 That's a fair point. I just think it's funny how 1:36:54.000 --> 1:36:57.519 like everybody's like asked that question about Membo. It's like, 1:36:57.680 --> 1:36:59.479 it's it's right. The answer is right there. It's just 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:02.519 a natural position, which is right tackle. All right. 1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:06.479 You could argue his natural positions guards soon he's recruited 1:37:06.479 --> 1:37:08.360 as coming out of high school, he's built more like 1:37:08.439 --> 1:37:09.040 one physically. 1:37:10.400 --> 1:37:13.400 Yeah, but he's so athletic and he's got the lank tackle. 1:37:13.479 --> 1:37:14.679 I don't know why you would move him. 1:37:14.600 --> 1:37:17.760 Inside, because every tackle should always be moved inside to guard. 1:37:17.760 --> 1:37:19.960 We should have no tackles because nobody's good enough at it. 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:23.120 So two questions from fill in North Carolina that are 1:37:23.200 --> 1:37:24.960 good ones. One shout out to you. I'll get to 1:37:25.040 --> 1:37:28.400 that in a second. But this first question is along 1:37:28.439 --> 1:37:30.040 the same lines of what we're just talking about. We 1:37:30.400 --> 1:37:33.000 brought this up a couple of shows ago about J. C. 1:37:33.160 --> 1:37:35.920 Latham and him trying left tackle as a rookie and 1:37:35.960 --> 1:37:38.600 now they get him back to right tackle, and he 1:37:38.800 --> 1:37:41.400 just asked, you know, what's the difference between Membo and 1:37:41.560 --> 1:37:44.080 J C. Latham. I think there are different types of players. 1:37:44.720 --> 1:37:47.920 Latham's a pham booth player. Latham's a power player. He's 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:52.439 someone that has got incredible power at the point of 1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:55.360 attack and people moving skill. Membu is a much better 1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:58.600 athlete than JC Latham is, and that gives you a 1:37:58.640 --> 1:38:01.080 little bit more hope about him switching to the left side. 1:38:01.320 --> 1:38:02.559 So that's a short answer there. 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:03.040 Uh. 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:06.920 The other question that Phil had or just a guy 1:38:07.000 --> 1:38:11.320 that he is gravitating towards as a sleeper is Isaac Tesla, 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:13.680 who we got up a couple of shows ago as well. 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:15.519 There's a slot for you and I. 1:38:15.720 --> 1:38:19.320 I had just watched Tesla semi recently to is it Tesla? 1:38:20.040 --> 1:38:22.240 Tesla like Thatla. 1:38:22.520 --> 1:38:24.360 That's how they was saying that at the combine, you 1:38:24.360 --> 1:38:25.760 don't have to be that ridiculous with. 1:38:27.520 --> 1:38:31.360 Isaac Teslaw sounds funny. It sounds think of like. 1:38:31.560 --> 1:38:35.880 Think like it's like t apostrophe s instead of the 1:38:36.120 --> 1:38:36.880 imagine feels like that. 1:38:37.720 --> 1:38:40.280 What I was impressed by him, uh well, first of all, 1:38:40.360 --> 1:38:44.840 the the athletics, athleticism. His relative athletics score as RAS 1:38:45.000 --> 1:38:47.640 was off the charts, Like really good athlete. Another one 1:38:47.720 --> 1:38:50.120 of these like Day three developmental guys that's got a 1:38:50.200 --> 1:38:53.080 ton of physical talent. But what I was really impressed 1:38:53.120 --> 1:38:55.599 with with him was was how good he is after 1:38:55.680 --> 1:38:57.760 the catch, like on screens and stuff like that, Like 1:38:57.800 --> 1:39:00.759 he's a true catch and run threat. Not in necessarly elusive, 1:39:00.840 --> 1:39:03.400 but he's one of those guys that just h is 1:39:04.040 --> 1:39:06.200 you know, got great contact balance. 1:39:06.200 --> 1:39:09.880 Six four twelve, he gets moving bounce off of Yeah, 1:39:09.920 --> 1:39:12.680 I like his billy tracked the ball to downfield like 1:39:12.720 --> 1:39:13.560 he does a good job with that. 1:39:13.920 --> 1:39:15.960 Yeah. I kind of put him in a similar bucket 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:19.479 as Thornton Dante Thorton just because they're both like a 1:39:19.560 --> 1:39:23.480 little raw but have great great uh size, speed, weight measurables. 1:39:23.640 --> 1:39:25.599 So I hadn't really thought of this. With the slot. 1:39:25.640 --> 1:39:27.120 We talked about all these guys to play on the 1:39:27.160 --> 1:39:30.040 boundary in college and move inside just slaw heavy heavy, 1:39:30.080 --> 1:39:32.720 heavy slot receiver. Is he a guy that can move 1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:33.840 outside at the NFL. 1:39:33.920 --> 1:39:36.680 Could he be the X potentially, But I like, I 1:39:36.760 --> 1:39:38.599 feel like with him, you know, he's such a ball 1:39:38.640 --> 1:39:41.000 of clay in terms of his technique, like his releases, 1:39:41.160 --> 1:39:43.040 and especially if you're going to play the X and 1:39:43.120 --> 1:39:45.519 play a lot of like backside coverage, you're gonna see 1:39:45.600 --> 1:39:47.280 a lot of press man, so you have to be 1:39:47.320 --> 1:39:49.200 able to release at the line of scrimmage. Like that's 1:39:49.200 --> 1:39:51.320 the number one thing. I know. There's not a lot 1:39:51.360 --> 1:39:53.200 of evidence. It's not that I don't think he could 1:39:53.280 --> 1:39:55.280 do it, more of a projection. Yeah, there's just not 1:39:55.360 --> 1:39:57.400 a lot of it on tape. Yeah, what's a lot 1:39:57.439 --> 1:40:02.160 of what's him of him on tape is screens, seam routes, 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:05.720 you know, underneath crossers, you know, shallows where he's just 1:40:05.840 --> 1:40:08.400 catching run with the football. But I thought some of 1:40:08.479 --> 1:40:10.960 the screen stuff that he was doing was really impressive. 1:40:11.000 --> 1:40:12.880 Like he's going to be a true gadget player right 1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:15.120 out of the gate. I have a great comp for him, 1:40:15.160 --> 1:40:17.080 But I just feel like that that was interesting. I 1:40:17.479 --> 1:40:19.880 wasn't expecting that. I was expecting a little more craft 1:40:19.920 --> 1:40:23.439 nonetheless explosiveness. He's actually the opposite. He's a rock. 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:25.559 He's a. He's a boomer He's a boomer bus player. 1:40:25.560 --> 1:40:27.360 He's gonna catch that really short stuff and then the 1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:27.760 go ball. 1:40:28.000 --> 1:40:30.679 Yeah, all right, Curtis in Saint Louis. 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:32.800 Wait, was there's something else in that email that was it? 1:40:33.200 --> 1:40:33.400 It was? 1:40:34.880 --> 1:40:38.519 Yeah, he's said, because you brought up Tesla. Yeah. Uh, 1:40:38.800 --> 1:40:42.840 Curtison Saint Louis has two questions, uh that are both 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:45.960 good ones. First one, is there a pick the Patriots 1:40:46.000 --> 1:40:47.920 can make it for that would make you pull your 1:40:47.960 --> 1:40:50.800 hair out or left feeling underwhelmed? He has his, but 1:40:50.920 --> 1:40:52.920 I I'll reveal it after reveal ours. 1:40:55.640 --> 1:40:59.880 Sure, Okay, come on, I know it's it's a weird draft. 1:41:00.320 --> 1:41:01.920 There's a lot of play. Again, there's a lot of 1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:05.200 players that like are fine picks. I can see the path. 1:41:05.320 --> 1:41:10.400 I definitely have my preferences at four. I mean, if 1:41:10.600 --> 1:41:14.439 we want to go nuts, like if they take like 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:16.960 the second best player to a position, right, So if 1:41:17.000 --> 1:41:22.439 they took like if they took like Kelvin Banks right 1:41:22.640 --> 1:41:26.519 with Will Campbell and in Membo still on the board, 1:41:26.520 --> 1:41:29.719 if they took it's tough to even say a receiver 1:41:29.840 --> 1:41:32.960 because I Matthew Golden, like I wouldn't necessarily be super 1:41:33.040 --> 1:41:34.560 upset if they took him over Ted. I don't know 1:41:34.720 --> 1:41:37.040 I'd love either guy at four, but that would make 1:41:37.120 --> 1:41:42.920 sense if they took like Walter Nolan over over Mason Graham, 1:41:43.000 --> 1:41:44.640 right like, I think it would probably have to be 1:41:44.760 --> 1:41:47.200 something like that. There aren't that many players in this 1:41:47.320 --> 1:41:49.559 draft that is outright hate for them. They're really aren't, 1:41:49.920 --> 1:41:50.760 at least at the top. 1:41:51.360 --> 1:41:54.680 So I feel like I am contractually obligated to say 1:41:54.720 --> 1:41:57.360 Ashton Dante, but I don't think I would be like 1:41:57.880 --> 1:42:00.680 that pulling my hair out. I probably would be underwhelmed 1:42:01.040 --> 1:42:03.520 by them taking Gent because I'd have all the reservations 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:06.600 about taking a running back that high, but he's so 1:42:06.800 --> 1:42:09.479 talented that I wouldn't be like, what a horrible pick, 1:42:09.600 --> 1:42:11.760 Like it's that that would not make sense, Like that's 1:42:11.800 --> 1:42:12.559 not what you know I know. 1:42:12.560 --> 1:42:14.880 Who would be and no offense to the player is 1:42:14.920 --> 1:42:18.639 more about them. Will Johnson, Yeah, I just don't He's 1:42:18.680 --> 1:42:21.439 a fine player. There's better players on the board, and 1:42:21.600 --> 1:42:24.920 taking a boundary corner that high for the setup they have, 1:42:25.560 --> 1:42:27.559 that would make no sense that I couldn't even think 1:42:27.600 --> 1:42:29.840 of one because he's not even on my radar. For 1:42:29.920 --> 1:42:32.400 the fourth overall pick, Will Johnson would make no sense 1:42:32.439 --> 1:42:32.600 to me. 1:42:32.880 --> 1:42:37.400 So the pick that I would probably uh be pulling 1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:39.280 my I don't think i'd pull my hair out for anybody. 1:42:39.320 --> 1:42:41.519 But the pick that I'd probably feel the most underwhelmed 1:42:41.520 --> 1:42:42.559 by would be Jalen Walker. 1:42:42.640 --> 1:42:46.120 Honestly, like I just I think I'd be more underwhelmed 1:42:46.160 --> 1:42:47.040 by like Mason Graham. 1:42:47.240 --> 1:42:49.479 So his was Mason Graham, Colonel said Mason Graham. 1:42:50.000 --> 1:42:50.120 Uh. 1:42:51.880 --> 1:42:54.240 Maybe it's just the way that I have the like 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:56.600 the my top ten is set up like I have 1:42:56.720 --> 1:42:58.439 Mason Graham with the higher grade. Like I just think 1:42:58.479 --> 1:43:01.160 Mason Graham is a better player. I don't know. I 1:43:01.520 --> 1:43:03.680 just I don't love the idea of Jalen Walker at four. 1:43:03.760 --> 1:43:05.639 I don't love the idea of Mason Graham at for either, 1:43:05.840 --> 1:43:07.599 And I don't love the idea of gent Like. Those 1:43:07.640 --> 1:43:09.840 are the three guys that if they took it for 1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:12.760 I would be underwhelmed. Would I be cold? Strange? Like 1:43:12.800 --> 1:43:15.160 to bring back what I said earlier, I don't think 1:43:15.160 --> 1:43:17.000 I would have a meltdown on the air about them 1:43:17.080 --> 1:43:19.040 taking any under those players, But I would be. 1:43:19.080 --> 1:43:21.160 Underwhelming, you know what? You know what would it would 1:43:21.200 --> 1:43:23.640 really be for me? It's not even a player. If 1:43:23.680 --> 1:43:26.600 they're so determined to trade down that they trade the 1:43:26.640 --> 1:43:29.000 pick for less than what it's worth just so they 1:43:29.080 --> 1:43:31.760 can trade down, that that would bother me. Be it 1:43:31.880 --> 1:43:34.000 for a couple of reason One, get what it's worth 1:43:34.320 --> 1:43:38.599 to new Ish front office, like don't set the don't 1:43:38.640 --> 1:43:40.920 set the standard that you can be had in the 1:43:41.000 --> 1:43:44.160 trade just to move like, don't don't be that team. 1:43:44.479 --> 1:43:46.280 And that tells me they don't like anybody on the board. 1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:47.960 And whoever they take it nine, they probably don't like 1:43:48.040 --> 1:43:50.800 that much. So it's not me saying don't trade down. 1:43:50.840 --> 1:43:53.799 Let me be clear, if they get like real value, 1:43:54.800 --> 1:43:57.400 do it trade down if you get what the pick's worth. 1:43:58.360 --> 1:44:00.800 If they trade down for if they go from like 1:44:02.280 --> 1:44:05.200 four to nine, four to ten, four to twelve for 1:44:05.320 --> 1:44:08.080 like a third round pick, I'd be pretty disappointed. 1:44:08.360 --> 1:44:11.000 Yeah, that's a fair point. And I feel like there 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:14.720 is a lot of people out there that are just 1:44:14.840 --> 1:44:16.600 trade down at all costs, Like even if it's for 1:44:16.680 --> 1:44:19.160 pennies on the dollar. No, just trade down and set 1:44:19.200 --> 1:44:21.960 that precedent. And I'm with you, it's the president's bad. 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:24.479 And I also get the better player, agreed. 1:44:24.640 --> 1:44:29.120 I don't think that it's that leveled off of a 1:44:29.200 --> 1:44:31.960 top ten. Yeah, that we're really saying that they're all 1:44:32.120 --> 1:44:36.439 the same player. I just think that that's oversimplifying it. 1:44:36.640 --> 1:44:39.080 I do think there's a difference between these players. 1:44:38.760 --> 1:44:41.320 And I think when you look at it for them specifically, 1:44:41.600 --> 1:44:47.240 right Campbell, Membu, Jalen Walker, like how far back are you? 1:44:47.439 --> 1:44:47.479 Like? 1:44:48.040 --> 1:44:51.040 Yeah, all right, Ted McMillan, Mason Graham, Tyler Warren, it 1:44:51.080 --> 1:44:54.240 could work. I think those three it's not a full tier, 1:44:54.280 --> 1:44:58.160 it's like a half tier. So Hunter and Carter or 1:44:58.240 --> 1:45:03.160 tier one. I would say, Walker, Campbell, and Membu are 1:45:03.400 --> 1:45:06.280 Tier two A, and then the rest of those guys 1:45:06.320 --> 1:45:10.040 are to B. So like I if you don't have like, yeah, 1:45:10.120 --> 1:45:12.800 I could be convinced to go to to B, but 1:45:13.640 --> 1:45:15.439 you got to convince me to do it. I don't. 1:45:15.840 --> 1:45:17.280 I'm not just gonna do it to do it. 1:45:17.880 --> 1:45:20.200 Yeah, No, I'm with you. And it's funny because I 1:45:20.240 --> 1:45:23.360 feel like we said that thing about nine and forty yeah, 1:45:23.520 --> 1:45:25.880 and then like everybody ragged on us and said, oh, 1:45:26.000 --> 1:45:28.519 like you wouldn't do that, You're crazy, And then it 1:45:28.720 --> 1:45:31.599 like resurfaced when the Saints with the Derek Carr news 1:45:31.760 --> 1:45:34.040 and how everybody wants this King's ransom and I was like, 1:45:34.080 --> 1:45:35.960 what happened? I thought that nine for forty was that 1:45:36.080 --> 1:45:36.680 was part that was. 1:45:36.720 --> 1:45:38.519 Part of that take was like, if the team's moving 1:45:38.600 --> 1:45:40.439 up to get a quarterback, make them pay the quarterback tax. 1:45:40.520 --> 1:45:43.920 Yeah, one hundred percent. All right, a couple more emails. 1:45:43.560 --> 1:45:44.960 Here, we'll get back on my future pick. 1:45:45.040 --> 1:45:47.240 We get back to the phone calls. I gotta you 1:45:47.320 --> 1:45:49.200 gotta be a little bit greedy. Like I'm not saying 1:45:49.240 --> 1:45:51.479 that you want to be like crazy where you get 1:45:51.760 --> 1:45:53.880 you know, a bunch of hang ups, you know on 1:45:54.040 --> 1:45:55.840 the old phone when you're trying to make the trades. 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:57.880 But yeah, it's gonna be a little bit greedy with 1:45:58.000 --> 1:46:00.800 some of these, you know, along those same lines. You know, 1:46:01.000 --> 1:46:05.000 just uh, Tom from Jersey was asking if you would 1:46:05.240 --> 1:46:07.560 roll the dice on Will Campbell you know, do you 1:46:07.840 --> 1:46:11.320 because by trading down uh and uh and seeing if 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:13.280 he makes it to you? And he said, you know 1:46:13.360 --> 1:46:16.760 he's not a guy that he's like running the card 1:46:16.840 --> 1:46:19.760 up for kind of guy, and Uh, I think where 1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:25.760 I've come to, you know, in conclusions, still another show 1:46:26.000 --> 1:46:28.360 this week, And I wrote this on in my thing 1:46:28.439 --> 1:46:32.080 on Patriots dot Com, is do I think that He's 1:46:32.680 --> 1:46:36.760 a perennial future Hall of Fame all pro you know, 1:46:36.880 --> 1:46:42.320 Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, Joe Thomas like level prospect. Uh No, 1:46:42.720 --> 1:46:44.760 But when I look at him, you know, I see 1:46:44.760 --> 1:46:47.360 a lot of Jake Matthews. I've made that comp before. 1:46:47.640 --> 1:46:49.880 I know other people have made the Bernard Raymond comp 1:46:49.960 --> 1:46:52.120 with the Colts and Bernard Raymond the last couple of 1:46:52.200 --> 1:46:54.880 years has been like a top Tennish tackle, a left 1:46:54.920 --> 1:46:57.840 tackle in the NFL. I think, you know, as much 1:46:57.880 --> 1:47:00.840 as uh, you're gonna say, wow, you're saying this as 1:47:00.960 --> 1:47:03.120 corny and cliche as some of that stuff is, Like, 1:47:03.200 --> 1:47:06.680 there's something about Will Campbell that just like his intangibles 1:47:06.720 --> 1:47:10.519 and his character and his demeanor and just his attitude 1:47:10.560 --> 1:47:13.040 and what he's about dog that just kind of tells 1:47:13.120 --> 1:47:17.160 me that, like he's going to break through a ceiling potentially. Yeah, 1:47:17.320 --> 1:47:22.040 And I'm I'm for trading down for at the right price, 1:47:22.120 --> 1:47:24.960 like we were just talking about in a draft like this, 1:47:25.760 --> 1:47:29.560 But I'm not like so gung ho about it that 1:47:29.680 --> 1:47:32.839 I'm willing to lose out on Will Campbell for pennies 1:47:32.880 --> 1:47:34.760 on the dollar. It'd have to be a trade where 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:38.519 we all see the return and we're like, yeah, like 1:47:38.600 --> 1:47:39.000 they had. 1:47:39.080 --> 1:47:42.439 Again, I go to first round pick, second round pick, 1:47:42.920 --> 1:47:45.000 and then depending how far down you're moving like a 1:47:45.040 --> 1:47:47.960 future top fifty pick, Yeah, somewhere in there. That that's 1:47:48.000 --> 1:47:51.320 where I'm That's where I'm settling. Like I'd obviously start higher, 1:47:51.840 --> 1:47:54.120 but that's that's ultimately I think what would get it done. 1:47:54.320 --> 1:47:56.160 I lets you moving way down like the twenties, but 1:47:57.240 --> 1:47:59.320 how far down can you move? For Campbell, it's tough. 1:47:59.800 --> 1:48:02.479 The thing that would make me nervous is Miami lurking 1:48:02.560 --> 1:48:05.519 at thirteen. I don't think you're necessarily if you're moving 1:48:05.560 --> 1:48:07.840 back beyond thirteen, you're not gonna get them. But I 1:48:07.880 --> 1:48:10.600 also and the Bears at tend to like those are 1:48:10.720 --> 1:48:13.320 teams that it makes a lot of sense for him 1:48:13.360 --> 1:48:16.439 to go to that have ammunition to move up. So 1:48:16.560 --> 1:48:18.519 you may look at it and say, we can go 1:48:18.680 --> 1:48:21.240 back to call it eight with Carolina, right, or I'll 1:48:21.400 --> 1:48:23.200 just do nine because that's what we're doing this week. 1:48:23.880 --> 1:48:25.479 You may look at it and say, okay, there's no 1:48:25.560 --> 1:48:27.920 tackle teams between four and nine. We can move back 1:48:27.960 --> 1:48:30.200 and get them, and now, uh oh, here come the 1:48:30.280 --> 1:48:32.479 Bears up to seven, Here come the Dolphins up to 1:48:32.520 --> 1:48:35.599 eight and now you got jumped. That's what you gotta 1:48:35.600 --> 1:48:38.680 be worried about. When they did the move back for 1:48:38.800 --> 1:48:42.320 Gonzales in twenty three. The thing that they had that 1:48:42.640 --> 1:48:44.640 we didn't know at the time that it's reported, they 1:48:44.760 --> 1:48:47.920 knew two of those teams weren't going to take a corner, 1:48:48.320 --> 1:48:51.479 and they knew Washington really liked Emmanuel Forbes for whatever reason. 1:48:51.880 --> 1:48:54.920 So they they had it. But there was still the 1:48:55.000 --> 1:48:56.920 risk that somebody was gonna move up. Like there's always 1:48:56.960 --> 1:49:00.559 that risk. So that's what I worry about with Campbell. 1:49:00.600 --> 1:49:03.519 I don't think realistically, were you moving down. There's a 1:49:03.600 --> 1:49:06.240 ton of tackle teams there, the Bears and Dolphins, and 1:49:06.280 --> 1:49:07.880 maybe there's some others too that I'm missing, but like, 1:49:08.200 --> 1:49:10.960 there are teams lurking that can move up and jump 1:49:11.080 --> 1:49:13.920 you to take the tackle. That would be the bigger 1:49:13.960 --> 1:49:14.519 concern for me. 1:49:14.840 --> 1:49:18.680 Yeah, So Andrew and DC writes in about Will Campbell too, 1:49:18.760 --> 1:49:22.080 and he just he said that he wasn't impressed with 1:49:22.200 --> 1:49:25.439 him early on in the process. But me, Evan, you know, 1:49:25.760 --> 1:49:28.679 gloating about Will Campbell or whatever I think he said, moting, 1:49:28.720 --> 1:49:32.679 I don't know moning anyways about Will Campbell. He watched 1:49:32.720 --> 1:49:35.040 the tape again and he said that he sees it 1:49:35.320 --> 1:49:38.479 more of a technician now and you know, his pass blocking. 1:49:38.560 --> 1:49:40.760 But the one thing he points out about Campbell that 1:49:40.840 --> 1:49:45.240 he doesn't see is great finishing or raw power to 1:49:45.400 --> 1:49:47.600 his game, and said that he thinks that Membo and 1:49:47.680 --> 1:49:50.679 Banks have that more regularly. And I actually would agree 1:49:50.720 --> 1:49:52.600 with that, Like, I don't think Will Campbell is a 1:49:53.320 --> 1:49:56.320 true stack the pancakes kind of guy. He's more of 1:49:56.400 --> 1:49:59.280 a technician. He's more of a positional run blocker athlete, 1:49:59.400 --> 1:50:02.519 you know, and protection. I would just say that, you know, 1:50:02.640 --> 1:50:05.080 he he just plays a different style than those two guys. 1:50:05.160 --> 1:50:07.720 Those two guys are more you know, road graders. They 1:50:07.800 --> 1:50:10.880 got a bigger size and weight to them as well. 1:50:10.920 --> 1:50:14.040 They're more blocky, you know, wide bodied type of players 1:50:14.640 --> 1:50:18.760 than Will Campbell is. But to me, you know, it's 1:50:19.600 --> 1:50:21.800 pass blocking is the most important thing. Yeah, Like I 1:50:21.800 --> 1:50:24.599 would put pass blocking in as the number one thing 1:50:25.200 --> 1:50:27.240 for my you know, if I'm building a team, my 1:50:27.439 --> 1:50:29.920 left tackle would it would be a very high level 1:50:30.000 --> 1:50:33.240 pass blocker first and foremost. I think protecting the quarterback 1:50:33.280 --> 1:50:35.320 and keeping the integrity of the pocket is the most 1:50:35.320 --> 1:50:38.680 important thing that tackles do at the NFL level. So 1:50:38.920 --> 1:50:41.320 I think he's the best pass protector out of the group, 1:50:41.640 --> 1:50:44.000 and I think he has plenty of like snarl and. 1:50:44.040 --> 1:50:45.800 Toughness to and I was gonna say, let's see what 1:50:45.880 --> 1:50:47.240 he looks like when he comes in after having to 1:50:47.280 --> 1:50:49.320 hear about his freaking arms from form that, yeah, some 1:50:49.479 --> 1:50:50.320 kind of edge he's playing with. 1:50:50.400 --> 1:50:52.800 Don I hear what he's saying. Though, In general, when 1:50:52.840 --> 1:50:55.800 you watch the tape, amongst these three guys, I would 1:50:55.840 --> 1:51:00.880 say Campbell is probably the least in terms, you know, 1:51:01.160 --> 1:51:04.400 in terms of raw power, He's probably third on the list, 1:51:04.479 --> 1:51:06.600 but it's just a difference of what you know you 1:51:06.760 --> 1:51:09.160 want in the player. And again he asks like who 1:51:09.240 --> 1:51:11.040 plays like that at the end of the level. And 1:51:11.439 --> 1:51:14.760 this is this reason is why I keep going back 1:51:14.840 --> 1:51:17.200 to the Jake Matthews comp because I don't think Jake 1:51:17.240 --> 1:51:19.960 Matthews has ever been known for being like a true 1:51:20.040 --> 1:51:23.120 road grader or a true people mover in the run game. 1:51:23.240 --> 1:51:27.240 But he's just a very technically sound, very polished left 1:51:27.280 --> 1:51:29.920 tackle that that doesn't get beat too often. And I 1:51:30.000 --> 1:51:33.040 think that's what Campbell's gonna be. So Andrew, your your 1:51:33.080 --> 1:51:36.120 eye is not totally off. I just I don't know 1:51:36.160 --> 1:51:39.799 if I would prioritize, you know, he says his subject 1:51:39.880 --> 1:51:42.919 line is Campbell isn't violent, you know, And I understand 1:51:43.000 --> 1:51:45.880 that that's that's fun, right, and you can see that 1:51:46.080 --> 1:51:49.479 that's tangible when you watch tape of offensive Linemanaer. Guys, 1:51:49.479 --> 1:51:52.080 that finishes is fun to watch, But I don't know 1:51:52.120 --> 1:51:55.200 if that's necessarily the most important thing when it's all 1:51:55.240 --> 1:51:57.120 said and done. All right, let's get back to the 1:51:57.200 --> 1:51:59.479 phones and I will wrap up the show here. Sean 1:51:59.640 --> 1:52:01.080 is in Vancouver. What's up Sean? 1:52:02.640 --> 1:52:03.439 After pass over? 1:52:03.640 --> 1:52:06.680 Alex and Evan hopefully, thank you sir, you too. 1:52:07.120 --> 1:52:07.920 I have two things. 1:52:08.479 --> 1:52:12.400 One question I have is about a wide receiver who 1:52:13.320 --> 1:52:16.400 was injured, but I've heard that he's good to go 1:52:16.520 --> 1:52:18.960 now as Tory Horton. My concern though, is is this 1:52:19.080 --> 1:52:23.160 frame too small? And then the other question I have 1:52:23.320 --> 1:52:26.400 is is a hypothetical and what you guys would do yourself, 1:52:26.479 --> 1:52:29.960 but what you think the Patriots would do if New 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:34.639 Orleans decides to make a trade and offer their second 1:52:34.720 --> 1:52:39.760 round pick with the Patriots stay and just turn it 1:52:39.800 --> 1:52:42.760 down and draft well Campbell, like assuming. 1:52:42.640 --> 1:52:44.080 That Carter and. 1:52:47.040 --> 1:52:52.800 Hunter and Hunter are gone, or would they make the 1:52:52.880 --> 1:52:56.519 trade and they you know, and after that, would they 1:52:56.720 --> 1:52:59.719 just keep picked at nine to thirty eight and forty 1:53:00.280 --> 1:53:01.479 stay there or where they move around? 1:53:01.800 --> 1:53:01.920 Right? 1:53:02.000 --> 1:53:02.200 That's it. 1:53:02.439 --> 1:53:04.559 I'll take it off there, thanks j Yeah, I hope 1:53:04.560 --> 1:53:07.000 they'd ask for more in that trade. I think if 1:53:07.040 --> 1:53:09.040 you end up with thirty eight and forty, especially after 1:53:09.160 --> 1:53:11.960 moving back, you're definitely moving up. Should be What's the 1:53:12.000 --> 1:53:15.439 first question? Is Tory Horton's brain too small? Frame frame? 1:53:15.520 --> 1:53:17.360 I heard brain at first too, but I was like, 1:53:17.400 --> 1:53:18.560 he wouldn't say that. I heard that. 1:53:18.680 --> 1:53:20.639 Well, that was like did he did he say spring 1:53:20.680 --> 1:53:22.880 because he had a sprain ankle. You can have a 1:53:22.960 --> 1:53:27.000 size sprain. He plays, he plays bigger than he is, 1:53:27.080 --> 1:53:28.519 and he's got some room to put muscle on. I 1:53:28.560 --> 1:53:32.080 don't think he can play. I'd have him put muscle on. 1:53:32.240 --> 1:53:34.320 I don't think his current frame is where you want 1:53:34.400 --> 1:53:36.760 him to play, but I think his frame you can 1:53:36.920 --> 1:53:38.720 you can change that and get him to where you 1:53:38.760 --> 1:53:39.200 need him to be. 1:53:39.439 --> 1:53:41.360 Yeah, I'm not totally out on Tory Horren. I don't 1:53:41.360 --> 1:53:43.400 hate him as as somebody that they can pick him 1:53:43.400 --> 1:53:44.160 the fourth or fifth. 1:53:44.120 --> 1:53:46.920 Round on a little bit. There's an AX for you. 1:53:47.320 --> 1:53:52.679 Yeah, I don't know, I didn't like necessarily, I wasn't 1:53:52.760 --> 1:53:57.599 wowed by I actually watched him against Travis Hunter. Yeah, 1:53:58.280 --> 1:53:59.960 and like most of his yards in that game where 1:54:00.120 --> 1:54:03.519 like shallow crossers. Like so he's another on how much 1:54:03.520 --> 1:54:05.080 twenty three did you? I think this was in twenty 1:54:05.120 --> 1:54:10.360 three fins Travis Hunter. But look at a perfectly capable 1:54:10.479 --> 1:54:12.320 flyer and then like to your point, is a guy 1:54:12.439 --> 1:54:17.080 that was higher on the board, significantly higher or projected 1:54:17.160 --> 1:54:19.600 to be higher and then got injured and and you know, 1:54:19.640 --> 1:54:22.360 if you're looking to try to to try to do 1:54:22.520 --> 1:54:24.599 that thing, you know where you you kind of buy 1:54:24.680 --> 1:54:27.160 low on a player in the draft, and Tory Horton 1:54:27.280 --> 1:54:29.519 is probably that at wide receiver, Like I think he's 1:54:29.560 --> 1:54:33.120 probably the guy to be doing that at wide receiver. 1:54:33.880 --> 1:54:36.560 And the other thing is quickly about the Saints. Nick 1:54:36.640 --> 1:54:39.600 Underhill does a great job covering the Saints. I think 1:54:39.600 --> 1:54:43.400 it's NOLA dot Football is his site, and he does 1:54:43.480 --> 1:54:46.560 a fantastic job. One of the most plugged in guys 1:54:46.800 --> 1:54:50.080 on the Saints. And he's been reporting pretty consistently that 1:54:50.200 --> 1:54:53.240 he doesn't see the Saints drafting Shadoor Sanders, like that 1:54:53.400 --> 1:54:56.360 they're not that's not They're they're not a Shadoor team. 1:54:56.440 --> 1:54:58.360 Well, maybe they want to trade up for Mason Graham. 1:54:58.400 --> 1:55:01.640 Evan I I just would pump the brakes because I 1:55:01.680 --> 1:55:04.040 trust Nick and I trust is reporting with it. I 1:55:04.080 --> 1:55:06.360 would pump the brakes a little bit on the nine 1:55:06.400 --> 1:55:08.640 to four jump for Schador. 1:55:08.760 --> 1:55:10.360 Maybe they want Mason Grimm. I've been saying, I've been 1:55:10.400 --> 1:55:12.760 putting in my mock drafts the Saints taking Mason Graham 1:55:12.800 --> 1:55:17.080 because it's Kellen Moore trying to recreate Jalen Carter and 1:55:17.120 --> 1:55:20.520 Milton Williams with Tyler Bursey and Mason Grim. 1:55:20.680 --> 1:55:25.400 A very very worst version of Milton Williams and trying. 1:55:26.640 --> 1:55:27.000 Trying. 1:55:27.680 --> 1:55:30.880 I think the one thing too, about the quarterback thing. 1:55:31.600 --> 1:55:37.120 Just quickly, all these teams, the Browns, the Giants, maybe Vegas, 1:55:37.360 --> 1:55:40.560 maybe the Jets, maybe the Saints, maybe the Steelers. It's 1:55:40.600 --> 1:55:44.800 like six teams. All of those teams are saying, we'll 1:55:44.880 --> 1:55:46.960 just get the quarterback in the second round. Yeah, not 1:55:47.080 --> 1:55:49.400 all of them can get the quarterback in the second round, right, 1:55:49.440 --> 1:55:52.680 Like someone's gonna have like gonna be lose out on 1:55:52.760 --> 1:55:55.920 the musical chairs if every single team is targeting Jackson 1:55:56.000 --> 1:55:58.560 Dart and Jalen Milroe, and there's five teams that are 1:55:58.600 --> 1:56:01.160 going after two players and three teams are gonna be 1:56:01.240 --> 1:56:01.720 left without it. 1:56:02.120 --> 1:56:04.640 Well, the Raiders will get will happen. So what could 1:56:04.720 --> 1:56:08.240 end up happening is we could see a run on 1:56:08.360 --> 1:56:10.840 quarterbacks late in the first round. Where do you get 1:56:10.920 --> 1:56:13.720 the Browns and these teams trying to trade up from 1:56:13.760 --> 1:56:17.880 the early thirties, and that would impact the Patriots. The 1:56:17.960 --> 1:56:21.080 question is in what way? On one hand, might make 1:56:21.120 --> 1:56:23.480 it more expensive to trade up, because if you're trying 1:56:23.520 --> 1:56:25.560 to move up to get a tackle and these teams 1:56:25.600 --> 1:56:27.360 are trying to move up to get a quarterback, they're 1:56:27.400 --> 1:56:29.680 gonna offer more. And if there's a team in their 1:56:29.760 --> 1:56:32.560 dead set on taking a tackle and you can't jump them, 1:56:33.080 --> 1:56:36.040 that makes it tough. Now, the flip side is if 1:56:36.120 --> 1:56:39.720 maybe those teams aren't set, that's gonna push a tackle 1:56:40.280 --> 1:56:44.200 or a receiver down to thirty eight. So maybe so 1:56:44.400 --> 1:56:46.080 it'll be interesting. But if you need a tackle, you 1:56:46.120 --> 1:56:47.640 need to tackle, it'll be interesting to see how that 1:56:47.720 --> 1:56:49.680 plays out. I think we're gonna see a lot of 1:56:49.720 --> 1:56:51.200 trades in the back half of this first round. I 1:56:51.200 --> 1:56:52.560 don't think you're gonna see a ton at the top 1:56:52.800 --> 1:56:55.400 once we get into the twenties, especially like if the 1:56:55.480 --> 1:57:00.240 Steelers twenty one, right, so if the Steelers take a quarterback, yeah, 1:57:00.640 --> 1:57:03.920 and the Browns and Giants don't, right, well, now here 1:57:04.040 --> 1:57:06.080 cut the Browns and Giants start trying to move up, 1:57:06.400 --> 1:57:08.440 and that's the range you're talking about the Patriots trying 1:57:08.480 --> 1:57:11.720 to trade into for Josh Connerley and maybe Arianta or Yeah. 1:57:11.760 --> 1:57:13.960 It's a great point because I there's a lot of 1:57:14.000 --> 1:57:16.520 reporting out there about this Shador visit to the Giants, 1:57:16.560 --> 1:57:18.480 and there's another thing I want to get to in 1:57:18.560 --> 1:57:21.280 terms of news, but one second on this just there's 1:57:21.280 --> 1:57:23.440 a lot of reporting out there and now it's kind 1:57:23.480 --> 1:57:27.960 of getting walked back about this Chador one last private workout. 1:57:27.960 --> 1:57:30.040 I guess they have a one last private workout with 1:57:30.120 --> 1:57:32.960 the entire top of the quarterback class, like the Giants 1:57:33.000 --> 1:57:36.600 I'm talking about. So they're going to Chadoor today, They're 1:57:36.640 --> 1:57:41.160 going to Jaln Milroe on Friday or maybe it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday, 1:57:41.360 --> 1:57:43.760 and they're going to Tyler Schuck at some point. 1:57:43.920 --> 1:57:46.800 You see that combine throw that went out there from. 1:57:48.240 --> 1:57:50.560 So they're they're doing they were planning on doing this 1:57:50.720 --> 1:57:53.440 with all the quarterbacks. So this is not a unique 1:57:53.480 --> 1:57:56.280 to Chador thing. But some of the reporting out of 1:57:56.360 --> 1:57:59.880 the Shador stuff is that they might actually be looking 1:58:00.040 --> 1:58:02.120 at Shador at the top of the second round, not 1:58:02.960 --> 1:58:05.320 at the top of the first round. So all these teams, 1:58:05.400 --> 1:58:08.840 the Browns, the Giants, uh, those teams that are have 1:58:09.000 --> 1:58:12.560 been whispered to be connected to Shador Sanders might be 1:58:12.640 --> 1:58:14.800 looking at Shador standers at the top of the second round. 1:58:15.120 --> 1:58:18.120 But the problem with that is, I don't think Shador 1:58:18.200 --> 1:58:21.120 Sanders is getting past the Steelers at twenty one. So 1:58:21.560 --> 1:58:25.960 if you don't somehow jump Pittsburgh at twenty one, if 1:58:26.000 --> 1:58:29.280 you're the Browns, are you're the Giants, you're not getting 1:58:29.280 --> 1:58:32.080 Shador in my opinion. So it's just a weird thing. 1:58:32.280 --> 1:58:34.400 Like it's a I don't really like Chador is gonna 1:58:34.400 --> 1:58:36.720 go higher than thirty three or thirty four. I think 1:58:36.800 --> 1:58:39.200 he's not gonna say a round, right, So like at 1:58:39.240 --> 1:58:43.120 some point, you know, the slide's gonna stop, right, And 1:58:43.200 --> 1:58:45.400 I feel like twenty one with Pittsburgh's to stop. So 1:58:45.520 --> 1:58:48.360 that leaves them with you know, Milroe Dart Howard. 1:58:48.480 --> 1:58:51.040 You know that Pittsburgh gets nervous and tries to move 1:58:51.120 --> 1:58:52.160 up in the middle of the first. 1:58:52.480 --> 1:58:55.000 Okay, really quickly. Then we'll take this last call and 1:58:55.120 --> 1:58:57.800 we'll we'll end it. This is a question from Matt 1:58:58.040 --> 1:59:01.880 in the OC on tja Oh. I guess is in 1:59:02.000 --> 1:59:04.120 a contract dispute. I don't guess. You know, this is 1:59:04.360 --> 1:59:07.600 what we're here in reports of this. TJ. Watt is 1:59:07.640 --> 1:59:11.320 in a contract dispute with Pittsburgh. It seems like maybe 1:59:11.560 --> 1:59:13.760 a trade would be in order. Are you in or 1:59:13.840 --> 1:59:14.840 out on TJ Watt? 1:59:14.880 --> 1:59:16.720 I mean, what am I trading? I take the player's 1:59:16.760 --> 1:59:18.480 a hell of a player. Yeah, I don't think he's 1:59:18.520 --> 1:59:20.080 getting moved, but great player. 1:59:20.200 --> 1:59:23.040 Yes, in Yeah, I'd definitely be in. But he's he's 1:59:23.080 --> 1:59:25.200 thirty thirty one years old. Like, I'm not trading in 1:59:25.240 --> 1:59:25.920 the farm for TJ. 1:59:26.000 --> 1:59:29.800 Wait. I guess uh is Palazola right from Pim Pazzolo, 1:59:29.840 --> 1:59:32.480 Steve Palasola round pick set a third round pick? 1:59:32.680 --> 1:59:32.920 Yeah? 1:59:33.360 --> 1:59:36.080 What could be more poetic than trading the Matthew Judon pick. Now, 1:59:36.120 --> 1:59:37.680 they probably asked for sixty nine and I'd give it 1:59:37.680 --> 1:59:39.680 to them. Yeah, but if you can get a third 1:59:39.720 --> 1:59:42.200 round pick, I might even do like second third pick swap. 1:59:42.240 --> 1:59:44.120 I don't know what their third round pick is in Pittsburgh, 1:59:44.200 --> 1:59:47.800 but thirty eight for what and whatever their third is? 1:59:48.760 --> 1:59:50.520 Can I just why do we have to make it 1:59:50.600 --> 1:59:53.320 so complicated like we do all these trades now where 1:59:53.400 --> 1:59:55.920 it's like every time we talk about trades, and I'm 1:59:55.920 --> 1:59:57.920 not just picking on you, I'm picking on everybody. Every 1:59:57.960 --> 1:59:59.720 time we do these trades. It's gotta be like, well, 1:59:59.760 --> 2:00:03.480 the Ariots get their second round pick, their fifth round pick, 2:00:03.600 --> 2:00:06.240 their seventh round pick twenty twenty nine, and then this 2:00:06.400 --> 2:00:07.520 team gets this pick, and. 2:00:07.600 --> 2:00:09.160 Because that's how these trades happen. 2:00:09.080 --> 2:00:10.960 Like what we just say, like the value is like 2:00:11.000 --> 2:00:13.920 a third round pick, that's it. Can we can we 2:00:14.080 --> 2:00:16.440 just not get all complicated about it? 2:00:17.000 --> 2:00:17.280 Sorry? 2:00:17.440 --> 2:00:21.120 Okay, thank you? Uh what I would probably trade a 2:00:21.200 --> 2:00:23.360 third round pick for TJ. Watt, Yes, but I wouldn't 2:00:23.360 --> 2:00:25.200 give up much more. And I know that sounds crazy, 2:00:25.560 --> 2:00:28.200 but like just the value of the player, the age 2:00:28.280 --> 2:00:30.240 of the contract, like that's the world now. 2:00:30.440 --> 2:00:32.600 So this is so and then this is where that 2:00:32.840 --> 2:00:35.920 kind of well, let's make it complicated comes from. If 2:00:36.000 --> 2:00:38.640 the Steelers are making that trade, they're trying to get 2:00:38.680 --> 2:00:40.640 tools to make sure they can move up if they 2:00:40.720 --> 2:00:43.920 need to. And get your door. Yeah, quarterback, right, thirty 2:00:43.920 --> 2:00:48.840 eight helps them significantly more than sixty nine does. So 2:00:49.040 --> 2:00:51.520 that's where Okay, they're gonna want thirty eight, but you 2:00:51.560 --> 2:00:53.760 don't want to give up that much. Okay, fun, you 2:00:53.880 --> 2:00:56.560 give up thirty eight, but you get that third back. 2:00:56.880 --> 2:00:58.760 Now you pair two of those thirds and move back 2:00:58.800 --> 2:01:00.960 up in the second. You're back where you need to be. Well, 2:01:00.960 --> 2:01:03.800 why wouldn't Pittsburgh just make the trade themselves? Because you're 2:01:03.840 --> 2:01:05.400 helping them out and that's part of the deal. You're 2:01:05.400 --> 2:01:06.280 making it easier for them. 2:01:06.560 --> 2:01:09.320 All right, John is in the high on the highway, 2:01:09.400 --> 2:01:10.920 and so cow John, are you on the ten? 2:01:11.080 --> 2:01:11.120 Like? 2:01:11.200 --> 2:01:12.480 Which highway are we talking about? 2:01:12.720 --> 2:01:14.720 With the LA stuff? Give it a break. 2:01:15.280 --> 2:01:16.360 I'm on the five on. 2:01:16.440 --> 2:01:19.080 The five, Yeah, I was close. 2:01:21.440 --> 2:01:22.440 Hey, what's going on, guys? 2:01:22.600 --> 2:01:22.720 Uh? 2:01:23.160 --> 2:01:25.360 I just got a quick comment about Will Campbell. 2:01:26.040 --> 2:01:26.200 Uh. 2:01:26.760 --> 2:01:29.440 I think that we very well have won a couple 2:01:29.520 --> 2:01:33.000 more games this year, like that Colts game and Miami 2:01:33.080 --> 2:01:35.480 without two, we could have easily been picking seven, eight, 2:01:35.640 --> 2:01:38.600 nine in this draft, and I think we'd be splamming 2:01:38.680 --> 2:01:41.120 our fits against the table hoping Will Campbell fell to 2:01:41.240 --> 2:01:44.800 us there. Yes, So I think that I think that 2:01:45.120 --> 2:01:47.960 now that we're picking four. All these Pats fans are 2:01:48.000 --> 2:01:51.640 turned off by Will Campbell. But you know, I think 2:01:52.000 --> 2:01:54.200 it's gonna be our first pick anyway, with around the 2:01:54.240 --> 2:01:56.240 same talent pool you'd get at seven, eight nine, So 2:01:56.280 --> 2:01:59.920 I think, uh yeah, I thought, yeah. 2:01:59.760 --> 2:02:01.080 John, great call, great way. 2:02:01.560 --> 2:02:03.800 It seems too easy, It seems too good to be true. 2:02:03.920 --> 2:02:05.800 Is that part of the hate for Will Campbell? It's 2:02:05.920 --> 2:02:08.320 just too obvious I've made, I've made. I've said this 2:02:08.440 --> 2:02:10.480 take a million times. I'll say it one more time 2:02:10.520 --> 2:02:13.040 before the end of the draft, and I'm sure at 2:02:13.160 --> 2:02:16.880 least once. But this is one of those drafts where 2:02:17.400 --> 2:02:19.920 there's not a big talent gap. Once you get past 2:02:20.120 --> 2:02:22.640 Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. There's a little bit of 2:02:22.680 --> 2:02:24.360 a drop off there in town and it kind of 2:02:24.440 --> 2:02:27.200 levels off at the end of the day where the 2:02:27.240 --> 2:02:32.040 player plays left tackle versus running back, versus tight end. 2:02:32.080 --> 2:02:35.200 When you have Hunter Henry on the roster, you are 2:02:35.320 --> 2:02:38.720 going to probably see a lot of teams that try 2:02:38.800 --> 2:02:41.720 to marry up need with best player available, right, They're 2:02:41.760 --> 2:02:44.880 gonna say these guys are our best players available. They're 2:02:44.880 --> 2:02:47.760 all kind of similarly graded. Where are holes and the 2:02:47.840 --> 2:02:51.320 Patriots have a giant void of left tackle. Will Campbell's 2:02:51.360 --> 2:02:53.680 the best left tackle on the board. And that's why 2:02:53.720 --> 2:02:56.640 at this point, I feel like everybody, whether they are 2:02:56.760 --> 2:02:58.600 like us that have been on board pretty much the 2:02:58.680 --> 2:03:01.760 whole time on Will Campbell, or they're now coping and 2:03:01.920 --> 2:03:03.840 just saying it's gonna be Will Campbell. So let's just 2:03:03.960 --> 2:03:07.080 all accept the fact that it's going to be Will Campbell. 2:03:07.720 --> 2:03:10.200 We're all there. We're all there now because every mock 2:03:10.280 --> 2:03:12.680 draft I read now is the Patriots taking Will Campbell. 2:03:12.920 --> 2:03:14.680 We have reached the acceptance stage. 2:03:15.160 --> 2:03:18.120 Finally, of the week the draft used to be two 2:03:18.160 --> 2:03:21.360 weeks earlier. They should like a whole week in here. 2:03:21.400 --> 2:03:24.840 We don't need I have an LA related take, but 2:03:24.880 --> 2:03:27.040 I'll save it. I'll save it. 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