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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: And Lazar.

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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our Bara.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bar Okay, so let's

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Speaker 1: do early day three and late day so you can

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Speaker 1: get to that. Ted Johnson is I still believe. I

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Speaker 1: will not quit Tesz Johnson. I will not quit.

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Speaker 3: Right there, I will not quit.

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Speaker 1: I won't quit test Johnson like I'm gonna's strategy. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go down with the ship with Ted Johnson. I'm

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Speaker 1: not wrong until I'm wrong, right. Isn't that one of

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Speaker 1: your your shows like that, that's one of your your

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Speaker 3: That's big vulgar thing. R Waiver on Michael Pennox last

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Speaker 3: year and read me the Riot Act.

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Speaker 1: But until you're wrong, you're not wrong. That's a big take.

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Speaker 1: I know Felger sometimes has, so I'm just saying I'm

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Speaker 1: not wrong yet. On tedes Johnson, he could be really

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Speaker 1: good in the NFL. We don't know yet. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that's the case with all these guys, I suppose. But hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: welcome in Patriots Catch twenty two, eight days, eight days,

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Speaker 1: ago till the NFL. Who's counting, Alex, I am counting

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Speaker 1: at this point, Let's get there, let's get the picks made,

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Speaker 1: and let's figure out who's going to be Patriots out

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Speaker 1: of this class. But eight days to go to the draft.

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Speaker 1: It's very exciting time with the draft. I feel like

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Speaker 1: all the hay is almost there. We're almost in the

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Speaker 1: barn at this point, I would say, and we get

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Speaker 1: to the point now where we just are in the

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Speaker 1: middle of reading body languages at press conferences and lying

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Speaker 1: season and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: So well, as Mike Rabel said yesterday, like he talked about,

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Speaker 3: they're going through their running simulations to figure out what

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Speaker 3: they're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: They refuse to call them mock drafts, even though that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what they are.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think they're I think they're a little more involved.

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Speaker 3: They're not they're not putting the PF. Maybe they are

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Speaker 3: putting the PFL, but like you know, setting up certain trades.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, we we used to on our old show,

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Speaker 3: we used to do that exercise all the time, and

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Speaker 3: please this is ridiculous. Yeah, well we're now we're not

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Speaker 3: doing it to the same extent. They are, but it's

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Speaker 3: a it's a good sparing.

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Speaker 1: Ourselves to the actual in GMS. Okay, but I do

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Speaker 1: love how every single GM gets up there and says, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're we're running simulations. And I was like, you can

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Speaker 1: just say that you're doing mock drafts like that, that's

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Speaker 1: what simulations, that's what.

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Speaker 3: You're doing simulation. If they're not gonna call them mock drafts,

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Speaker 3: maybe all start calling my mock draft simulation. Yes, paytris

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Speaker 3: to the simulation three point Patriots draft simulation.

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Speaker 1: There you go. Now we're now, we're in the business.

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Speaker 1: We're in the know. Anyways, before we get rolling here,

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Speaker 1: apply today. Alex, you were a vendor at one point,

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Speaker 1: weren't you.

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Speaker 3: I was in high school as a hawker.

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Speaker 1: You were a hawker here? That was my first explain

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Speaker 1: what that means. I don't know the hawkers.

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Speaker 3: Are you see him out there? The guys in yellow

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Speaker 3: shirts that are so I didn't work in one of

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Speaker 3: It wants pizza. And it was games concerts. That was

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Speaker 3: the first of three times I worked for.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's incredible. That's a that's a great story,

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Speaker 1: you know. That's that's right up there with mister Kraft

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Speaker 1: being on the bleachers at the old Page Well, uh Sullivan,

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Speaker 2: That was?

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Speaker 3: That was my first Patriots game that I went to.

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Speaker 3: I worked as a hawker. Was what season did they

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Speaker 3: Did they open against the Bengals? It was an opener

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Speaker 1: That's fascinating. Were you ever on the on the bleachers

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Speaker 3: Got for a Patriots game?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I My very first game was at the

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Speaker 1: I believe Aaron Brooks's New Orleans.

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Speaker 3: There you go, that's a poll.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was pouring and I remember, you know,

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Speaker 1: was a good time. Anyways, enough down memory lane, let's

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Speaker 3: Hang on. I found the game. It was against the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: I was right, twenty ten against the Bengals. Patriots won

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Speaker 3: thirty eight twenty four. I just want to see how

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Speaker 3: Brady did. Brady was twenty five to thirty five, two

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Speaker 3: fifty eight, three touchdowns, no picks. Ho hum, oh yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: Home Wes Welker caught a couple of touchdowns. Good day.

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Speaker 1: I know that there's there's some helmet news today that

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Speaker 1: is I didn't even think we're gonna get in Tom

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Speaker 3: Wait, hang on, Carson Palmer. That came thirty four of

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Speaker 1: Two touchdowns, fifty attempts.

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Speaker 3: It was a duel. There was some helmet news.

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Speaker 1: There's some helmet news, but there Today is also the

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth anniversary of the day the Patriots drafted Tom Brady.

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Speaker 3: Thought there was yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I think it's today in the in the sixth round.

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Speaker 1: But regardless of it is today or yesterday, Oh.

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Speaker 3: To day, because it's Belichick's birthday twenty.

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Speaker 1: So happy birthday to the coach.

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Speaker 3: Birthday to Bill.

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Speaker 1: There all that and all the pleasantries are out of there.

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Speaker 3: We we got a little installed generally.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the pre draft press conference yesterday. Both

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Speaker 3: Well so nothing I would push back on. He gave

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Speaker 3: there was twenty years of data to go through, but

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Speaker 3: There's not much that applies to this specific draft. The

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is kind of where I did want

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Speaker 3: was part of that question that it was she already

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Speaker 3: You know? And builded this for years, builded this for years,

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Speaker 3: but the majority were successes. But it's a lot easier

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Speaker 3: year one when you're trying to establish it. But what

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Speaker 3: I kind of interpreted that as from Vrabel was basically,

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Speaker 1: Try to get him. I think he knew what I

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Speaker 3: think he said that, right, Samium utility and premium position

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're that close either. But if they

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Speaker 1: Because I just feel like, and it's not I hate

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Speaker 3: Fav I've used this line a lot in the for

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Speaker 3: I think to Jalen Walker having a better career in

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Speaker 1: To be like work ethic related, Like it would have

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Speaker 1: Well. I wanted to kind of get to that because

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Speaker 3: I think the real conversation to have is Carter and Walker.

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Speaker 1: that much into body language. I'm not a scientist in

434
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Speaker 1: that respect.

435
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Speaker 3: He kind of he just kind of is the same

436
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Speaker 3: body language across question.

437
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't look too much.

438
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Speaker 3: Into that, just how he is when he's dealing with

439
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Speaker 3: the media.

440
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Speaker 1: But is there you know, I still think that it's

441
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Speaker 1: very much in play that they draft who they feel

442
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Speaker 1: is just the best player available at four, regardless of position,

443
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Speaker 1: and come back up for a Josh Simmons and Arianisery

444
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Speaker 1: and Josh Connery or maybe hope one of those guys

445
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Speaker 1: foster them the thirty eight.

446
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Speaker 3: Uh, I think that's possibility. Like to me, there's two

447
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Speaker 3: ways to read that, and don't do you still transcript up?

448
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: I can pull it up, but.

449
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Speaker 1: No, but I can.

450
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Speaker 3: I just I described that one the full answer. Look

451
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Speaker 3: at two phones. Thles are over here, Okay, the full answer.

452
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Speaker 3: He So he gets asked specifically, is there a tackle

453
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Speaker 3: worth taking it for him?

454
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

455
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Speaker 3: And he kind of rather than answering whether or not

456
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Speaker 3: there's a tackle worth taking it for, he kind of

457
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Speaker 3: gets into what he thinks a player worth the fourth

458
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Speaker 3: overall pick is. Yeah, and he talks about a player

459
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Speaker 3: in an impact position who can make an impact as

460
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Speaker 3: a starter right away. And then he says, I think

461
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Speaker 3: there are multiple starting tackles in the draft.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I got it. So I think that

463
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Speaker 1: that's really what you start to look for impact players

464
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Speaker 1: when you start picking that high. What they're going to

465
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Speaker 1: do for you, what's the impact, what's the position? You

466
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Speaker 1: talk about premium positions. That's where you weigh saw the

467
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Speaker 1: circumstances to be.

468
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Speaker 3: He's not just talking the questions about tackles, but he's

469
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Speaker 3: not just talking about tackles there. I think that's his

470
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Speaker 3: philosophy for the fourth overall pick. And then he says,

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Speaker 3: I think they're yes, I think they're starting tackles in

472
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Speaker 3: this draft. Starting tackles in this draft doesn't mention four.

473
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Speaker 3: So you can read that one of two ways. Is

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Speaker 3: his qualifier for the fourth overall pick instant starter, in

475
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Speaker 3: which case starting tackles in fourth overall pick tackles would

476
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Speaker 3: mean the same thing. And we do know he talked

477
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Speaker 3: highly about Campbell and armand Membu at the NFL Owners Meets.

478
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Speaker 3: That's one way you can interpret it. The other way

479
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Speaker 3: you can interpret it is we yeah, they're starting tackles

480
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Speaker 3: in the draft. It doesn't just have to be at four,

481
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Speaker 3: So you can go one way or the other. I

482
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Speaker 3: kind of heard it as the former. Maybe that's me

483
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Speaker 3: going in with some preset bias about what I want

484
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Speaker 3: them to do. I'll admit that, but I'm with you

485
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Speaker 3: if there are starting tackles past the fourth pick. There's

486
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Speaker 3: not a lot We've talked about how fast this thing

487
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Speaker 3: drops off after arianta Ursery. Does he get to thirty

488
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Speaker 3: eight maybe, I really don't think Connorly's getting there now.

489
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Speaker 3: If Simmons gets at thirty eight, it means his knee

490
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Speaker 3: is bad, which I am. You guys know how I

491
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Speaker 3: am on that. I'm very worried about that. I'm not

492
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Speaker 3: against them not taking a tackle at four. They can't

493
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Speaker 3: let it come to them though, like last year, because

494
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Speaker 3: they will miss the run. I really think there's gonna

495
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Speaker 3: be a run on tackles again this year. And I'll

496
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Speaker 3: say I think there's gonna be a run on tackles

497
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Speaker 3: next year. I think this is going to continue to

498
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Speaker 3: happen until the tackle shortage is over, which is going

499
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Speaker 3: to take a few years to get there. So I

500
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: think they have to be ready to move up. They

501
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Speaker 3: have the ammunition to do this, and on the tackles too.

502
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Speaker 3: When we're talking about Simmons, it wasn't a tackle specific answer,

503
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Speaker 3: but he was asked by Andrew Callahan what lessons he

504
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Speaker 3: learned just from his top draft picks in Tennessee and

505
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Speaker 3: wasn't asked about injuries, but he mentioned just kind of

506
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Speaker 3: factoring in injuries when you look at a player, And

507
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 3: so with Simmons, who has an injury that is tough

508
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Speaker 3: to come back from, and there are long term not

509
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Speaker 3: just short term implications. It's not just about when will

510
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Speaker 3: he be healthy as a rookie, but will his knee

511
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Speaker 3: hold up structurally in the long term or will it

512
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Speaker 3: be long term to her ability issues because of this injury.

513
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Speaker 3: That is something that they're going to consider. Caleb Fairly,

514
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Speaker 3: I know, is the name that some people pointed to.

515
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Speaker 1: There was also the Georgia tackle I'm blanking on right now,

516
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Speaker 1: his name Wilson. I think Wilson.

517
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Speaker 3: He was here for like a second so practice.

518
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Speaker 1: He was a late later first round picked in Fairly,

519
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: but they took a real chance on him both injury

520
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Speaker 1: and football character, and that that goes down as not

521
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Speaker 1: to pick on Vrabel, but that goes down as one

522
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Speaker 1: of the worst first round picks of the last decade.

523
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Speaker 3: Yeah he got there.

524
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't even really play for the Titans. So

525
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: they took on some risk with those picks, and both

526
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Speaker 1: of those guys had injury red flags, fairly had huge

527
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Speaker 1: injury red flags. Was a top fifteen, top twelve talent

528
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Speaker 1: in his draft just based off the film, but was

529
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Speaker 1: significant injury red flags, and neither one of those players

530
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Speaker 1: weren't out.

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Speaker 3: So his was a back. Yeah, Failies was a back.

532
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Speaker 3: Wilson's it was I think it was an ankle. I

533
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Speaker 3: don't remember exactly what it was.

534
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Speaker 1: There was also with and there were there were some football.

535
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Speaker 3: Character issues, but part of it too was he had

536
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 3: an injury that was was chronic, which means that it's

537
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Speaker 3: not something that Seltzer's going through this right now with

538
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: Jaalen Brown. It's not something that you heard it, it

539
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 3: heals and you're done. It's not like a broken arm, right,

540
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: It's something that is just going to kind of last

541
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 3: and always be an issue. I'm not a doctor, but

542
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Speaker 3: from what I've seen, like medical people say, this injury

543
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 3: that Simmons has can have not guaranteed, can have some

544
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Speaker 3: lasting impacts.

545
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

546
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Speaker 3: So if that's the guy you're going to draft a

547
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Speaker 3: left tackle, I've made the comp before Malcolm Mitchell. When

548
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Speaker 3: Malcolm Mitchell was healthy, he was a good player, and

549
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Speaker 3: I think when Josh Simmonson is healthy, he's a really

550
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 3: good player. Is it gonna be healthy enough to justify

551
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 3: a first round pick? That's what I worry about. I

552
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 3: haven't seen the medicals. I wouldn't know what to make

553
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: of them if I did, but you know, you gotta.

554
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: I think he's one where I think sometimes teams really

555
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: like a player and maybe the doctors tell him be careful,

556
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 3: but you know, they see the tape and they sim

557
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 3: as the player. I'd hope they listen to the doctors

558
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 3: on And it sounds like Rabel from his experience in Tennessee,

559
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 3: understands that.

560
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially early, I guess one thing to take an

561
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: injury flyer on a guy later.

562
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no. And I mean this is coming from

563
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: the same guy who has said, you know, I want

564
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 3: them to take Seth McLaughlin. Yeah, who's torn achilles. That's

565
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: no joke of an injury either. That's in the fifth round,

566
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: have fun with it. In the top fifty. It's a

567
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: very different conversation, all right.

568
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Speaker 1: So the last thing that stood out to me from

569
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Speaker 1: this press conference, and then I want to move on

570
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: to my guys segment, on defense this week was obviously

571
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Speaker 1: the very answer at the very very end about Joe

572
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Speaker 1: Milton in the trade of Joe Milton, and I think

573
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Speaker 1: the if you just take his answer at phase value,

574
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: and look, he's not going to come out and say

575
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Speaker 1: that Joe Milton is a bad locker room guy and

576
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: it's not a good fit with Drake May. I don't

577
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: think he would come out and say that publicly. But

578
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: if we just take the answer at phase value about

579
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: the reps, I kind of understand where he's coming from. That.

580
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Speaker 1: When you go into a camp with an entrenched starting

581
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: quarterback that is not in an open competition of any

582
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: kind with anybody else, you go into that camp giving

583
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: like ninety percent of the meaningful reps to that quarterback,

584
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Speaker 1: especially when the quarterback is a second year guy, like

585
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: especially when it's a young quarterback in the league like

586
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: Drake May. So in order to continue to develop Joe Milton,

587
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think he was just saying that they're

588
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: just outside of maybe preseason games where they you know,

589
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: they wouldn't want to play Drake May. They wouldn't want

590
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: to risk injury with Drake May. There wasn't a ton

591
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: of reps to go around. If you just take that

592
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: at face value. I think the only thing that I

593
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: took away from that, because I've kind of closed the

594
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: book on Joe Milton he's not here anymore, is that

595
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: them drafting another quarterback at least in the top one

596
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: point fifty that they might have some investment in and

597
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: they might feel compelled to develop. It just doesn't seem

598
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: realistic if they're going into this saying Drake May is

599
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: going to get ninety percent, Josh Dobbs is our true backup.

600
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's our QB two as the veteran backup.

601
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: This sounds to me more like, Okay, if there's a

602
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: quarterback in the seventh round, they have two seventh round picks.

603
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: If they really like a quarterback at the end of

604
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: the draft and the seventh round, sure, you know, take

605
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: a fly or whatever. But I think they're kind of

606
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: looking more towards that like Camp arm territory of like,

607
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: let's just get some a third quarterback in here for

608
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: trading camp.

609
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: They need, you need three quarterbacks operate, Yeah, you probably

610
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: need four. Really ideal you force they're gonna add quarterbacks,

611
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's gonna be super late in the draft. Udfa.

612
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: But it goes back to something I talked about after

613
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: the trade, and I think kind of qualified it. I

614
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 3: think a lot of people are looking at it as well,

615
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: why would you trade your backup quarterback if Drake Mayge's hurt.

616
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: They viewed him as the third string right, he was

617
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: going to be the third string quarterback, emergency game day quarterback. Again,

618
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: Dobbs was going to be the backup. And so because

619
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 3: I think some people were confused, why would we request

620
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: a trade if he wants a chance to compete and

621
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: he goes to Dallas where Dak Prescott is ingrained as

622
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: the starter, because he wants he just want a chance

623
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 3: to compete for the backup job, which I don't think

624
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: they were going to give him here. He should beat

625
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: out Will Greer in Dallas and be there and Dak

626
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: gets hurt, so like you know, who knows. But I

627
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: don't think they viewed it as they were trading their

628
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 3: backup quarterback. They were trading the third string guy. They

629
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: were trading the emergency game day guy. Whether now, whether

630
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: you think that's right or wrong, that's another story. I

631
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 3: would have had him as the backup over Josh Dobbs.

632
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: I think Josh Jobs there in a room, experienced guy

633
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: like another coach. I would have had Milton as the backup,

634
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 3: and you know, assuming he continued to progress and all

635
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: that showed it on the field and kept up. But

636
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: I think they viewed him as the third quarterback.

637
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just just looking you know how it pertains

638
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: to the draft. I think there are just some mock

639
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: drafts out there that I've seen with you know, a

640
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard for example, or you know, we did a

641
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: mock draft yesterday before the Vaible Press or that I

642
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: took Curtis Rourke in the seventh round, you know, just

643
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: as a as a flyer. I think that's still on

644
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: the on the table. Potentially Curtis Rourke makes a loss sense. Yeah,

645
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: got a good two seventh round picks at the end.

646
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: You're really just trying to get ahead of undrafted free

647
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: agency at that point. Maybe they I'll do it at

648
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: that point in the draft, But I just look at

649
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: that quarterback spot as truly the third quarterback spot. Like

650
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: you're saying, and I was taking a step further, it's

651
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Speaker 1: basically just a camp arm as somebody that they can

652
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Speaker 1: maybe stash on the practice squad all year. Long, so

653
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily expect them to be making any more

654
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Speaker 1: real investments at quarterback, you know, in terms of top

655
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Speaker 1: one fifty picks at that position. So did you have

656
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Speaker 1: any other big things that I missed? I mean those

657
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Speaker 1: were kind of my.

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Speaker 3: Pretty much again, like we didn't get as much out

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Speaker 3: of that as we usually do it. And it's not

660
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Speaker 3: me complaining. Yeah, right, Rabel has a different style.

661
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't.

662
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Speaker 3: The running back thing was a little interesting. All had that.

663
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he definitely left the door open there

664
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Speaker 1: for gent, Like he didn't close it and say, no,

665
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Speaker 1: you know, we're analytically driven, we don't, we don't care

666
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Speaker 1: a running backs like you know, I would.

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Speaker 3: Have said, well, well, he did give a whole answer

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Speaker 3: on analytics. Yeah, yeah, which I know you love.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good.

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Speaker 3: But he did say you got to go back to

671
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Speaker 3: the film. You got to confirm it all with the film.

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Speaker 3: Which as long as you're doing that.

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Speaker 1: I've always said, but that that the way that he

674
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Speaker 1: talked about analytics is allway, is how the way that

675
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Speaker 1: I think that you should apply your.

676
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Speaker 3: Way vouch for that community. You have to vouch for

677
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Speaker 3: the entire community.

678
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Speaker 1: No, I don't yes, you do.

679
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Speaker 3: It works.

680
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Speaker 1: The analytics is a way in football. I'm not talking

681
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Speaker 1: about other sports. I don't know enough about it.

682
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 3: This is like you pinning uh Dan Campbell on me

683
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Speaker 3: for being like a football guy.

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Speaker 1: Analytics are are a way to provide context to what

685
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Speaker 1: you're seeing on tape. So you watch the film, just

686
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: like Rabel said, you watch the film and you say,

687
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Speaker 1: this guy seems to be really good after the catch, right,

688
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: like that that's the strength of his game. Well you

689
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Speaker 1: might say that, and then you might look at the

690
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Speaker 1: analytics and he's you know, twenty fifth out of twenty

691
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: six qualified receivers in the draft and yards after the

692
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Speaker 1: catch per reception, and so then you just have to

693
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Speaker 1: go back to the tape and say, well, where's the

694
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Speaker 1: disconnect here? Was it the routes he was being asked

695
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Speaker 1: to run? Is it the scheme? Is it you know

696
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Speaker 1: where he's playing on the field? Like, why is the

697
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: juice that I see after the catch not translating to

698
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Speaker 1: the numbers? Whereas sometimes you might say this guy's really

699
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Speaker 1: good after the catch, and then the numbers say he's

700
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Speaker 1: really good after the catch, And now we have a

701
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Speaker 1: guy that we can say is a lead after the catch.

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Speaker 1: You know Luther Burden, Sure, Kyle Williams, you know someone

703
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Speaker 1: like that. Great that that's all it's all about. Uh

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Speaker 1: I did. I thought his answer about you know, the

705
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Speaker 1: injury prediction was really interesting. Yeah, I don't know as

706
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Speaker 1: much about that stuff as I do about like the

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Speaker 1: nerd math.

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Speaker 3: But like you're talking about the one about Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Uh, well he's he mentioned that they they have ways

710
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Speaker 1: predictive models about a durability and how and if guys

711
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Speaker 1: have prior injury in college, Like are those injuries you know,

712
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Speaker 1: to your point about you know Simmons's knee, like, are

713
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Speaker 1: those injuries going to linger into the pros? Do that?

714
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Speaker 1: Does that set up potentially injuries down the road? That

715
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Speaker 1: stuff is newer, I would say, in terms of the

716
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Speaker 1: sports science. But it's cool, like it's it's uh, it's

717
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Speaker 1: some innovative tech that's actually working in medicine.

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Speaker 3: You want to use all the math you want the medicine.

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Speaker 3: I have no problem with that. Yeah, that fine, go

720
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Speaker 3: for that. But they're back to the running back thing.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting because the question was like,

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Speaker 3: do you have a philosophy on like running backs in

723
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Speaker 3: the top ten? They basically said, no, I don't, but

724
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Speaker 3: they have to be able to do all these things,

725
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Speaker 3: and he basically just described Ashton Genty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But then the last thing he said was and what

728
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Speaker 3: the team's prior convictions are. So he basically said. The

729
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Speaker 3: question was do you believe a running back should go

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Speaker 3: in the top ten? And he basically said, if a

731
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Speaker 3: running back is really good, if a team is comfortable

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Speaker 3: taking them in the top ten, they should so yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like he kind of the answer for me was, well,

734
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Speaker 3: if they're like, if they're he was like ash And

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Speaker 3: the answer is basically, if a running back was going

736
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Speaker 3: to go in the top ten, ash and Genty is

737
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Speaker 3: that kind of guy. Yeah, I don't think they'll do it,

738
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Speaker 3: but it's something to remember if like Genty becomes a

739
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Speaker 3: free agent in a few years or request a trade

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Speaker 3: or whatever.

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing to me about his answer was that

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Speaker 1: he mentioned a receiving upside and like pass catching. Yeah,

743
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Speaker 1: and not that he's a zero as a pass catcher,

744
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Speaker 1: but like Derrick Henry is not necessarily James.

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Speaker 3: He didn't take Derek Henry in the first round. Yeah,

746
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Speaker 3: And they remember, they repeatedly when Henry was there, brought

747
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Speaker 3: in smaller backs to catch the football. Deon Lewis there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's sort of My point is, like, so

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Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, and I know it wasn't a first round pick,

750
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Speaker 1: but Derrick Henry was their offense in Tennessee rightfully, so

751
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Speaker 1: they built the entire thing around him. Now, the one

752
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Speaker 1: thing that Derrick Henry I I think separates him from

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Speaker 1: other running backs that we've seen is there's a clear

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Speaker 1: correlation between play action success and Derrick Henry being on

755
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Speaker 1: the field. Like the Titans numbers with Derrick Henry in

756
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Speaker 1: the backfield on play action were just insane for like

757
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Speaker 1: a three or four year period because you know, obviously

758
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Speaker 1: defenses are stacked.

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Speaker 3: Running sets up the past.

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Speaker 1: What a concept when you have Derrick Henry, sure, and

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Speaker 1: you have you know, just you know, Joe Schmoe running

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Speaker 1: back behind the quarterback, it's not.

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Speaker 3: Just say so, it's it's worth investing in a good

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Speaker 3: running back, I.

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Speaker 1: Would say Derrick Henry. My point was that Derrick Henry

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Speaker 1: is kind of his own thing in that.

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Speaker 3: Regard or the Eagles. What were the Eagles play action

768
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Speaker 3: numbers this year? I actually don't know.

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Speaker 1: If thought my head, well, the guns here, it's different,

770
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Speaker 1: that's true, but yeah, they sure fine. But I thought

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Speaker 1: that was interesting that he included pass catching. I did

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Speaker 1: go back, you know, semi recently and watched you know,

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Speaker 1: some agent's twenty twenty three tape to get the pass

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Speaker 1: catching feel for him a little bit at a lot

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Speaker 1: more in twenty three. I still think that he's more

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Speaker 1: of like an underneath uh, you know, sneak out into

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Speaker 1: the flat, you know, check down over the middle type

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Speaker 1: of pass catcher. I don't know if he's a dynamic receiver,

779
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Speaker 1: like I don't know if you're gonna be mismatch aligning

780
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: him in the slot or out wide or having him

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Speaker 1: run all these vertical routes from the back, you know,

782
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Speaker 1: wheels fitting into the scene, things like that. Like, I

783
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: don't know if that's necessarily his game, but he certainly

784
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: is a a an adequate receiver.

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Speaker 3: I would say, you know, for the basic wide receiver,

786
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Speaker 3: for the basic running back pass catching skills you're looking for,

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Speaker 3: he's go, yeah, like he's really good at that stuff.

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Speaker 3: But he's not a guy like I wouldn't put in

789
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Speaker 3: the same categori as a guy like Burshard Smith or

790
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Speaker 3: the Quinn Allen or Woody marks where you're gonna kind

791
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Speaker 3: of use him as a hybrid wide receiver like that

792
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 3: James White stuff. But for the the base stuff, you're

793
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: gonna ask a running back to doing the passing game

794
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Speaker 3: both as a receiver and as a blocker. I would

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Speaker 3: say he's not just baseline. He's better in those areas.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's transition into my guys here and then

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into my guys on defense. We

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Speaker 1: changed it a little bit up this week to get

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Speaker 1: a little bit faster through these guys. We spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time on this last week. Well, this is

817
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Speaker 1: like the draft previous, I know, but I'm trying to

818
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: move it along a little bit quicker. So we do

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Speaker 1: have the five positions here, you know, interior, defensive line,

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Speaker 1: edge linebackers, cornerback, and safety. No we don't, Yes, yes

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Speaker 1: we do.

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Speaker 3: They're going to take a kickers, So let's hold us

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Speaker 3: last week. Let's start week.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the defensive line. Uh my, my first

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00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: guy on this list. I tried to do early late

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Speaker 1: I kind of cheated in. I tried to do that

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: We don't know who the first round guys are on defense.

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Speaker 3: It's Carter and it's.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, so my my defensive lineman on Day two,

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Speaker 1: Alfred Collins from Texas. I feel like, is your kind

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Speaker 1: of guy.

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Speaker 3: He is? He was that was gonna be mild. I

834
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Speaker 3: had a couple, but he was going to be my pick.

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Speaker 1: So six six yeah, three thirty yeah, thirty six inch

836
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Speaker 1: arms like this is just an absolute monster, monster of

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Speaker 1: a man. Now, if the Patriots were in a traditional

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Speaker 1: Belichick two gaping defense, like Alfred Collins is a two

839
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: gapping three four end is like exactly what he fits.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure it's an exact system fit for

841
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: what the Patriots are going to do now, but I

842
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: still look at him in the patriots a current defense

843
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: with Vrabel and there's in their new system like can

844
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Speaker 1: you play nose tackle?

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Speaker 3: At that time they played that Jeffrey Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Role is a three technique. I mean, like maybe, but

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00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: I think that Milton Williams is going to play that role.

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Speaker 1: But like what I look at with Alfred Collins is

849
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Speaker 1: put him, you know, in the shade, in the A

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Speaker 1: gap and just let him hold the A gap for you,

851
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: like he's not going to be moved. I mean, that

852
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: guy's an app mammoth. Like he's huge, he's got great length,

853
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: he knows how to use it. I think the one

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Speaker 1: thing that really stood out to me though watching his

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00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: film that it was exciting that got me really excited

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00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: about the player. His motor like he's he's.

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Speaker 3: A loves his calary.

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Speaker 1: He runs hot and and to be that big and

859
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: play that hard for that many snaps in a game

860
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: is sometimes a question mark. And he is just a

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00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: mean dude.

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Speaker 3: So obviously not it's not Rabel. Like oddly we've made

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00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: all these Tennessee comps with Rabel. I'm gonna this might

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Speaker 3: be a first for this offseason. I'm gonna make a

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Speaker 3: Tennessee comp that doesn't involve like Rabel. Okay, Simmons next

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Speaker 3: to Devandre Sweat because he's got some Toandre Sweat in

867
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 3: his game. He's playing that role in that Texas defense, right,

868
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: he's the next guy up?

869
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

870
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: Like is that Milton Williams and Alfred Collins.

871
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: I really like Alfred Collins a lot I do. I

872
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: just thought that he can't teach size, he can't teach power,

873
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: and you can't teach effort and he checks all three

874
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: of those boxes.

875
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: So since you went to him, yeah, I should go

876
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: Dion Walker. He's really falling now. That one sucks. I

877
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: was so ready to be he plays standing up at

878
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: three hundred and forty pounds like.

879
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: That one but that's the problem is he like literally

880
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: and figuratively, he plays standing up his pad level.

881
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: He plays like a player sign like fifty pounds smaller

882
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: than he is, and that is that is both a

883
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 3: good thing and a bad thing.

884
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: He's got to get his pass down.

885
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: You know. Sometimes there's like those cats that grow up

886
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: in a house with all dogs and the cat or

887
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: the doges the house all cats, and the dog just

888
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: like thinks it's a cat. Yeah, that's kind of like

889
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,439
Speaker 3: like he he plays like a two hundred and eighty

890
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 3: pounds speed rusher. Yeah, but he's three hundred and forty pounds.

891
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: It's anyway. So instead of that, I'll go similar guy,

892
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: Jamark Caldwell. Yeah, similar, Probably gonna go a little bit

893
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: later Ben Collins. But same thing. One of these hyper

894
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: athletic uh three. I think he I don't think he's

895
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: three thirty. I think he's in the three twenties. Yeah,

896
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: but a guy that can kind of do some similar things.

897
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: Wide body just just a big butt.

898
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 3: Well you know that Bill Belichick Kirby Smart story about

899
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 3: the forty right, No, oh, have you not heard that?

900
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: Might have so, Kirby Smart told us at a coaching

901
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: clinic This was a few years ago, but it's on

902
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: Twitter if you want to go find it. And I

903
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 3: don't remember.

904
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: If Kirby was with Bill the big butt.

905
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill wanted to stand. This is a Bill starting

906
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: line at the forties.

907
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: This is a Bill Parcells thing.

908
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: Oh is it to see which lineman of the biggest

909
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 3: ass when they get down in the in the stands?

910
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, that this is that started with Parcels. Who

911
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: by the way, Parcels. I mean, people know this, but

912
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm not breaking any news. Parcells is an amazing talent evaluator,

913
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: like one of the best talent evaluators.

914
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 3: Pretty good for the grocery.

915
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's out there. I mean, obviously he's going into

916
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: the Patriots Hall of Fame and uh and a big

917
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: reason why is because he drafted a lot of the

918
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: first pillars of Dynasty one point zero. You know, he

919
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: drafted most of those guys. He was he was the

920
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: first guy to talk about the behinds and making sure

921
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: that those linemen have having a big, big butts and

922
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: they cannot lie. All right, My next guy here, Day three,

923
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman Tim Smith. Tim Smith from Alabama. I

924
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: really thought he stood out at the Senior Bowl, downed

925
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: Mobile back in January. He's been on my list ever

926
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: since then. Heavy handed, aggressive, up the field, interior rusher.

927
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: I can stop, to run, can shoot gaps, can beat

928
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: guys latterly to the to the spot, really good upper

929
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: body strength. I feel like he's another one of these dudes,

930
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: like Alfred Collins is kind of like the second round version.

931
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: Tim Smith is to me the Day three version if

932
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: the Patriots are looking for that true interior run stuffer

933
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: and a pair next to Milton Williams and Barmore and

934
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: Keon White and just add to the rotation Tim Smith.

935
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: I've been trying all draft season mock draft big board

936
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: to find a place to write and talk about it.

937
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: Always one guy that like I want to get into

938
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 3: mock drafts and I don't.

939
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just hasn't worked out. But I think that

940
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: Tim Smith is a Patriot type player for sure.

941
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: So my Day three Alfred Collins guy. Day one's Kenneth Grant,

942
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 3: Day two's Alfred Collins. Smart Caldwell is Cam Jackson from Florida. Yeah,

943
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: another guy Senior Bowl. But I'm gonna go with J. J.

944
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: Pageese Pilgrim Mats big Board pick he's a project player.

945
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: He's a project player. He's not a guy that might

946
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: make an impact right away. He's supposed to go on

947
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 3: Day three, so that's okay. But really really good athlete

948
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: for his size, So I was trying to look. He

949
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: measured in at three twenty at the Senior Bowl, but

950
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: then was three zho nine at the Combine. So I

951
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 3: don't know where he's gonna play in the NFL. I

952
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: would like him to play around three fifteen three twenty,

953
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: but I think part of the reason he took some

954
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: of that size off is in addition to playing on

955
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: the defensive line, and he can play multiple positions.

956
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: That's probably his best trade.

957
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: Well or is it the fact that they would you

958
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: and you think, all right, So I'm gonna say they

959
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: played him on offense. You're thinking three hundred and twenty

960
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: pound guy on offense, lead fall back like the Patriots

961
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: used to use Richard Seymour. No, they use him as

962
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: a running back. They use him as a short yarded

963
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 3: running back. He had twenty one carries last year. Eighteen

964
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 3: of them went for first downs, including seven touchdowns. He

965
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: can carry the football. He ran some routes at the

966
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: Combine in he didn't look out of place. So if

967
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: you put some weight back on, who knows where that's at.

968
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 3: But can he give you like a Patrick Ricard kind

969
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 3: of thing. And I know I've compared Robber Huts to

970
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: Patrick McCard, but this is much more similar with the

971
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 3: body type. And I think he has the potential to

972
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 3: be a multi positional, three down rotational player on defense.

973
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 3: He's got a ways to go to get there. Like

974
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: he's winning on pure athleticism right now. The technical part

975
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 3: of his game needs to be refined certainly, but this

976
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: coaching staff is good with that. And if you give

977
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: him a year or two, I think he can be

978
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 3: a really, really fun piece. I think he can be

979
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,399
Speaker 3: a guy you can get really creative with and can

980
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: make an impact on both sides of the ball.

981
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. His versatility was the number one

982
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: thing I wrote down, yeah, just in my notes about him.

983
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: I really felt like his speed to power was kind

984
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: of a foundational move for him. Though. You know, he's

985
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: got that ability to really roll his hips and convert

986
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: speed to power in the pass rush, and that's going

987
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: to give him a nice foundation. Maybe you add like

988
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: an armover or swim or something. Like that to just

989
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: compliment that I liked his tape a lot too, as

990
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, an early day three, mid day three kind

991
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: of guy, impressive player in terms of the movement skills.

992
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the edge. I kind of cheated.

993
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: I put two day two edge guys. Gotta like them

994
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: bowl so much I couldn't decide. So my first one

995
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: is Femiola Daejo from UCLA. I just feel like he's

996
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: a Rabel type of player. Explosiveness, play, strength, effort, finish, versatility,

997
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: played off the ball early on in his career at UCLA,

998
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: then moved to the edge this past season, a great

999
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl week. That's another one of those guys that

1000
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: got on my radar down in Mobile. But what I

1001
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: really liked about him effort, finish, explosiveness off the ball,

1002
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: And I just am clamoring for the Patriots to give

1003
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: Torell Williams and Mike Rabel one of these balls of

1004
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: clay on the edge, Like I don't necessarily need their

1005
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: edge pick to be an early, you know, top fifty

1006
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: selection on a guy that's an already finished product, like

1007
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: I'm okay with taking on some development upside there at

1008
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: that position. I think Oldeho, the guy I compared him

1009
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: to his boy Mafi out in Seattle, like you give

1010
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: him a year or two to develop underneath Rabel and

1011
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: Terrell Williams and Harold Landry and Chase On and Anthony

1012
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: Jennings and Keon White are going to be playing a

1013
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: lot of the snaps there in twenty twenty five, by

1014
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, Like ol Day, who

1015
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: might be one of the better Day two edge rushers

1016
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: out of this class. He's got a ton of tools.

1017
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: I'll go to the opposite for Day two. I'll go

1018
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: with the guy that's ready, Jack Sawyer.

1019
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1020
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: I've been on this since the beginning. They're kind of

1021
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 3: guy culture, tone setter, physical. What's the word they've used

1022
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 3: to describe their defense so many times? Violence? Yeah, right,

1023
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 3: plays with violence.

1024
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: Both these guys playing violence. You know.

1025
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's a guy you can put opposite calevon Chase

1026
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 3: on your speed rusher. He's power on the other side,

1027
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: the Ohio State thing, all of it. He just he's

1028
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 3: he's such a fit. He is everything that this offseason

1029
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: has kind of been pointed towards.

1030
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: Absolutely the last one I had here and I can't.

1031
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: I can't get this guy out of my head, even

1032
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: though I don't think he's necessarily a great system fit anymore.

1033
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: But Josiah Stewart from Michigan just twitched up rusher, really

1034
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: undersized for the position, probably pigeonholed into like a three

1035
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: four outside linebacker situational pass rusher type of role, which

1036
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: is why maybe he doesn't make as much sense anymore

1037
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: for the Patriots. But I just loved watching Josiah Stewart

1038
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl against USC last year, just absolutely

1039
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: eight up the USC tackles, a great first step, exposed

1040
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: in this great bend. Just an absolute twitched up mover.

1041
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a good proble. I think

1042
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: he's gonna outplay his size, Like you know, Marcus Jones,

1043
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 1: we had him in here on Patriots Unfiltered yesterday, Like

1044
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: he's like the defensive back version of this. Josiah Stewart's

1045
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna be like the edge rusher version of a guy

1046
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: who's undersized. So he'll probably go in like the third

1047
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: or fourth round because of that. But it's gonna just

1048
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: be a really good football player regardless of the size.

1049
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: All Right, you want the Day three version of that guy,

1050
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: then sure. Colin Oliver Oklahoma State. Yeah, really productive for

1051
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: the Cowboys for three years, miss most of last year.

1052
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: I think it was a foot injury, right, yeah, foot injury.

1053
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: So he's another one. There's an odd number of players

1054
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: in this draft, like more than usual that missed significant

1055
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: time last season, like in the season leading up to

1056
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 3: the draft. So there's value there, right, and he's gonna

1057
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: have to come back. He's another He's undersized. I have

1058
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: it here. He is six two forty with thirty inch arms,

1059
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 3: but he flies off the edge, great speed, good bend,

1060
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: and he's had the production, so like he's kind of

1061
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: proven it. He's probably never gonna be more than just

1062
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 3: a third down rusher. But if you want a guy

1063
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: develop in that package, he's gonna go later because it's

1064
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 3: a deep class and he was hurt. And by the way,

1065
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: there's spoiler alert, he's not the only Oklahoma State player

1066
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: that fits this description. There could be some value there

1067
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 3: and he could be an interesting find for them.

1068
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: I think I know where you're going. It might be

1069
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: at the next position.

1070
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: It is at the next but the other guy, I'd

1071
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 3: give you two How much have you done on Kaimon Rucker.

1072
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: He's on my list. I have like a couple of

1073
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: more guys to go.

1074
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what to make of him. I really

1075
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: liked him in college, but it's tough for projecting him.

1076
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: I thought i'd like it, like because when I watch

1077
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: him in the fall and watch him as a college player,

1078
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 3: mostly like I'm mentally filing it away. But like it's

1079
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 3: tougher to project him to the NFL than I thought

1080
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: it would be.

1081
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have like five or six more edge guys

1082
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: I want to get to before the draft.

1083
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll cover that next.

1084
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: Baron Sorel from Texas, Savion Jones from melosu Kay Robinson

1085
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: from Alabama, who's getting some love now, you know as

1086
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: a just an edge rusher, you know, pure speed edge rusher. Yeah,

1087
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: so there's a couple more of those guys. All right,

1088
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: let's move over to linebacker. My day two linebacker Demetrius

1089
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: Knight from South Carolina. Yeah, shot out of the cannon,

1090
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: just an explosive downhill trigger his game, his game against Alabama,

1091
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: like had it all like just chasing down Jalen Milroe,

1092
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: you know, and uh and closing from from depth on

1093
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: Jalen Milroe and just tackling him in space, Like there's

1094
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of guys that can get Jalen

1095
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 1: Milroe on the ground, like you watch Jalen Miller as

1096
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: a runner is a leade elite, and Demetrius Knight's able

1097
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: to do that. Like I said, physical downhill striker, take

1098
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: online lineman at the point of attack. I run guys

1099
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: down in the flats. You know, when he's moving downhill,

1100
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: he's moving at a great speed, And I just love

1101
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: his aggressiveness, his attack mindset. I think he's gonna fait

1102
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: right in in the NFL.

1103
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 3: So I feel like I've talked about a lot of

1104
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: these guys. You guys know, I like Knight, I like

1105
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 3: Chris Paul, I like Danny Stutsman, I like Beart Carter

1106
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: Vrabel's gonna love Stutsman. Yeah, like Sutsman could be Patriot.

1107
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'll go I'm gonna give you two day

1108
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: three guys. So one, this is what I was in

1109
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: at Nick martin Oklahoma State. So it's a little different.

1110
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: They had him in here for thirty they did.

1111
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 3: It's a little different than Oliver because Oliver had played

1112
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: he was a three year starter. He played a lot

1113
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 3: for three years. I don't know he was a starter,

1114
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 3: but like he had a regular role. Martin really didn't

1115
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 3: play like at all until twenty twenty three. He was

1116
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: freaking unbelievable one hundred and forty tackles all over the field,

1117
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 3: looked like one of the best athletes on the field,

1118
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 3: whoever the opponent was. I mean, he was flying around regularly,

1119
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 3: get into the football, making plays on the ball, three

1120
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: down player, all of that, and then two games into

1121
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: the season last year he gets hurt and he was

1122
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 3: the rest of the season. I don't know if you

1123
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 3: have his injury ev and I don't have it pulled up,

1124
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: but Mick Martins, yeah, so yeah, you talk about a

1125
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 3: ball of play, Rightney, Okay, So, like I, I the

1126
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: guys that just have one year of experience, whether it

1127
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 3: be injury related or something else, it always worries me because,

1128
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: as we've seen in the past, you can have one

1129
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 3: really good year in college football the piece hasn't come together,

1130
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: and that can just be kind of it. So, like I, I,

1131
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 3: this isn't me telling you he's gonna be a great player.

1132
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 3: This is me telling you there's a lot there that

1133
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 3: I like that I'd like to see them work with

1134
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 3: and the fact that he's a projected like fifth sixth

1135
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 3: round pick, that's where you should be taking a guy

1136
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 3: like yeah. So people are gonna hear this and say

1137
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: Cameron mcgron and roll their Yeah. He is kind of

1138
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: similar to Cameron mcgroun, if anything, is litt less experienced

1139
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: than Cameron mcgron was.

1140
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: I got a lot of heat for liking Cameron mcgron.

1141
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: I'll take that flyer every time. If you take that

1142
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 3: flyer four times the pick or five times, you get

1143
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 3: one stud player out of it. And I'm talking about

1144
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: in the fifth, sixth, seventh round.

1145
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm fine.

1146
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: You want to take one flyer like that a year,

1147
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: especially if you have like day of what eight picks, yep,

1148
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: nine picks, go for it. So Nick Martin is a

1149
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 3: guy put on that list, especially because the fit. I

1150
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: think they're in a position where for And that was

1151
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: the weird thing about mcgroen. He wasn't their kind of linebacker.

1152
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 3: He didn't fit into their defense. I think Nick Martin

1153
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 3: fits really well given the linebacker editions they've made, Like

1154
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: he plays the position the way they want it played.

1155
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 3: There's gonna be less of a growing curve for him.

1156
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: He was my fifty first guy on my Big Boy. Really,

1157
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to get him on there because I tried

1158
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: to get everybody that they had in for a thirty visit.

1159
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: Reportedly had in here a thirty visit. He's one of them.

1160
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: And to your point, the way that they the body

1161
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: type that they've looked for at line, it's nick more the.

1162
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 3: Body and the athleticis. Yeah, he's a really good appen Yeah.

1163
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: He checks all the boxes for them.

1164
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

1165
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: The guy that I had on day three was Jack

1166
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: Kaiser from Notre Dame because I just think he's like

1167
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: a throwback linebacker. Yeah, you know, he's just one of

1168
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: those guys that's gonna, you know, move lad early, follow

1169
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: the ball, good instincts, gonna be around the football a

1170
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: lot as a tackler, going to clean up in the

1171
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 1: run game. I believe that Jack Kaiser is gonna be

1172
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: a tackling machine at the next level. He might not

1173
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: be the most impactful linebacker, Like he's not gonna be

1174
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: someone that's gonna make splash plays all over the field

1175
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: like a Demetrius Night might. But Jack Kaiser, I think,

1176
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 1: is gonna be a guy that's gonna rack up tackles

1177
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: just being in the action.

1178
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: Also team captain, and I think any any line as

1179
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 3: we go, edge rusher's, linebackers, corner safeties, like yeah, when

1180
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: you're getting a Day three that special teams experience is important.

1181
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: He has a ton of special teams experience. Ye King's guy,

1182
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 3: My Day three linebacker Sean Dolak from Buffalo. I don't

1183
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: know how much you know about Sean Dorry. I don't

1184
00:53:58,280 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 3: because that is the kind of guy that would be

1185
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 3: a little off your board here. So Sean Dolak tell

1186
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,720
Speaker 3: me this sounds like a Mike Vrabel player. Sean Dolac

1187
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: began his career at Buffalo as a walk on. Now

1188
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: five years later he is a consensus All American. The

1189
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 3: production is absolutely insane. I think he had one hundred

1190
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: and sixty tackles last year, had one hundred and sixty

1191
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 3: tackles two years before that. He was heard in between.

1192
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 3: He's kind of undersize six five. You know, he's not

1193
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 3: necessarily as big and as strong as some of these

1194
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: guys are, but plays with great instincts, plays with a

1195
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 3: great motor. Again, captain walk on to All American. That

1196
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 3: whole thing he might not get drafted. He might be

1197
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: u DFA. You talk about a guy that can come

1198
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 3: in and be a core special teamer for years, certainly

1199
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: has that projection, and then maybe he fills in a

1200
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 3: little bit of linebacker as well. When we talk about

1201
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: a Vrabel guy, like I kind of said before, Jack

1202
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 3: Sawyer is everything that the sauces has been pointing towards

1203
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: Sean Dolac. The tiebreaker there might just be Ohio State

1204
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: because Sean Dolak has that as well. Isn't necessarily gonna

1205
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: be like a big defensive weapon, but he seems like

1206
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: the kind of guy they're gonna wan on the football team.

1207
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: All right, Corners, I'm sticking with the Notre Dame theme here.

1208
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: I mean going with Ben Morrison from Notre Dame as

1209
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: my I did too.

1210
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 3: He's there's great value there.

1211
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: He's injury, which I think is is a little bit

1212
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: why he's not getting as much buzz as some of

1213
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: these other guys at the cornerback position. But his man

1214
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: coverage tape, like his ability to stick to receivers in

1215
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: man coverage. I'll take that against pretty much any non

1216
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter corner in this class. Like I thought his

1217
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: game against Stanford in particular. Was it was great. I

1218
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: mean he was just in everybody's hip pocket for four

1219
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: straight quarters. Feisty man coverage corner, extremely sticky and glued

1220
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: to the route break at all times. He is a

1221
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: pattern matching machine. Like, he's not someone that's gonna necessarily

1222
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: make a ton of plays on the ball. He's just

1223
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: gonna take this guy out of the game and you're

1224
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to throw him the football. I

1225
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: am surprised, and maybe it's just a type thing. I

1226
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: also think it's you know, a flavor thing. And I

1227
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: think it's also you know, this time of year, a

1228
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: lot of people tend to gravitate towards guys that have

1229
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: big interception numbers or pick sixes or whatever the case

1230
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: may be. You know, I'm a man coverage guy. It's

1231
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: probably just from being a you know, a Patriots person.

1232
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: But I look at Ben Morrison as as one of

1233
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: the top top man coverage corners in this crowd.

1234
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: Well he was. He was a first round pick until

1235
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: the hip injury. Yeah, so he's another guy. It's another

1236
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: guy where like the medicals are gonna be a part

1237
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: of the evaluation. Yep, I should probably go Darien Porter

1238
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: or Chevon Revel, Like that's so my kind of corner. Yeah,

1239
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 3: I think I saw Revel komped to h Tarik Wolan.

1240
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a little disappointed with Revel a tad.

1241
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 3: How there's nothing to see. He's played like fourteen games,

1242
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 3: I know, but I you got to watch something and

1243
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: he's a pure projection.

1244
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, he's a little stiff, like he's he's a

1245
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: big stiff dude, but he's a literally explosive guy. Like

1246
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: I could see it.

1247
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: In like the right matchups. Right, he's his own corner,

1248
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 3: which is tough.

1249
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just didn't necessarily love the transitions, Like I

1250
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: thought he was a little stiff in the hips, but I.

1251
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: Think that's something you learn as you play. And he

1252
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: just hasn't played a lot of football. Yeah that's possible,

1253
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: like the injury this year killed him. So those are

1254
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: those of the guys I'd usually go towards Sevon Revel,

1255
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 3: Darian Port, I means six three two a what random

1256
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 3: four to three, he's just like ninety years old. And

1257
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: another guy that's his own corner, yeah, Jacob Parrish, Yeah,

1258
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: Jacob Parrish. There's a lot of John Jones there. Yeah,

1259
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,439
Speaker 3: there's a lot of John Jones can play the slot

1260
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 3: like he'll be primarily slot corner. The NFL can play

1261
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 3: the boundary, can play safety, plays bigger than a size, physical,

1262
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: really smart football player. That's just kind of guy you

1263
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 3: want your secondary. I think versatility all right, versutill He's

1264
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 3: probably more important on the offensive line than anywhere else.

1265
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 3: After that, I think versatility in the secondary is more important.

1266
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: The more you can do in the secondary, not only

1267
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 3: does it help you keep depth, it helps you just

1268
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: guy's coverage it right, because if a guy can line

1269
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 3: up anywhere and realistically play any of those spots, the

1270
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 3: defense doesn't know what to expect or the offense doesn't

1271
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 3: know what to expect. So I think Parish can come

1272
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: in here give them depth in the slot. Could potentially

1273
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: start if Marcus Jones leaves. He's in a contract here.

1274
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: I'd like them to keep Marcus Jones, but you know

1275
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 3: he gets hurt a lot too, write that sort of thing,

1276
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 3: and I just think he can be useful player for them.

1277
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: I had one corner on my big board. Yeah it

1278
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: was Jacob Parish. Like I feel like Jacob Parrish to

1279
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: play this.

1280
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 3: I had one corner on but he said to the

1281
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: visits they met with Blalcomb and it.

1282
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Was Jacob Parish who also they reportedly had a visit,

1283
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: and I just you explained it. He's Jonathan Jones to

1284
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: point out to me and to play the slot. Carlon

1285
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: Davis and Christian Gonzales on the outside, Jacob Parrish in

1286
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: the slot makes a whole lot of sense. I think,

1287
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: you know, Jonathan Jones is probably the right colm. There's

1288
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of Trent McDuffie in there if you

1289
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: want to go ceiling, like if you want to be

1290
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: a hot really on the player. But that's the archetype, right,

1291
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: a guy that's probably at his best, you know, playing

1292
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: inside or moving around the formation with like a a

1293
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: Z receiver, you know, the pure route runner of the

1294
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: of the group, and then you know, occasionally play on

1295
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: the outside. But I love Jacob Parrish's film. He also

1296
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: puts his nose in there in the run game at

1297
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: his size pretty well and scrappy guy too, So I

1298
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: was really high on him too. U Day day three

1299
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: cornerback Mac McWilliams, Yes, UCF had.

1300
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 3: That's kind of Day three. I was literally about to

1301
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 3: say the other John Jones comp John Jones.

1302
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: I kind of see a little Jack Jones in him too.

1303
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 3: Like I said, there was somebody I think was Kobe Bryant,

1304
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 3: I saw like Jones.

1305
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Mac McWilliams is again, a slot corner, probably

1306
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: a nickel at the NFL level, maybe a safety, even

1307
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: nickels safety if you want to call it that.

1308
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: He played a little deep safety at Yeah, he.

1309
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: Can play man to man in the slot though. I

1310
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: had a really good Senior Bowl week. Was really feisty,

1311
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: really sticky and coverage, play man to man, you know,

1312
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: run around with slot corner slot receivers. I should say

1313
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: all day long. I really liked mc McWilliams and mobile.

1314
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: I thought he came in with an edge. I thought

1315
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: he came in with some fires and competitives, that alpha

1316
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: corner mentality, like he'd break up a pass and you

1317
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: let him hear about it. I like those types of guys.

1318
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't hurt to have those types of guys. Ever,

1319
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: So if you know Jacob Parrish is kind of the

1320
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: day too version of this, I would say Mac McWilliams

1321
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: is the day three So.

1322
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: I and you covered it all there, and I love

1323
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 3: his ability to play safety too. Yeah, I am curious

1324
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 3: what you thought. We talked a little about a bit

1325
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 3: about him last week of Denzel Burke.

1326
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Denzel Burke to me was I had some

1327
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: questions about his top end speed, his long speed to

1328
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: carry verticals on the outside a lot. It kind of

1329
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of Sean Waite like in terms

1330
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: of his career path. And maybe it's just the ohigest

1331
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: very similar.

1332
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1333
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: It was a really high projected player early on in

1334
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: his career, had an injury, had some issues.

1335
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 3: Well not just projected. He was a freshman All American.

1336
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was.

1337
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 3: He was the first true freshman to start again to

1338
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 3: start the season open for Ohio State since former Patriot

1339
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 3: Andy Katzimware.

1340
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: Oh that's an interesting stat.

1341
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 3: I just want to get Andy Katzman. Yeah, I know

1342
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: there and the show of like three years you've never gasl.

1343
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: Burke is one of those guys that's gonna play in

1344
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: the league for a while. But he might not ever

1345
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: be like a standout player, but he's going to be

1346
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: able to play a lot of snaps. A comp that

1347
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: I came up with with him was kind of like

1348
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,919
Speaker 1: a Jalen Mills type, right, Like he's just that sort

1349
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: of player, like not necessarily exactly the style of play,

1350
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: but just like the usage of like, Okay, this is

1351
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: gonna be an NFL defensive back for a while, But

1352
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: is he ever going to be like a number one corner.

1353
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: Probably not, but he's he's going to belong on an NFL. Yeah,

1354
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: that those are your corners.

1355
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 3: I mean, if I had to give another one, it

1356
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: I like blal Cone. I don't know how much sense

1357
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 3: he makes for them at this point. They need slot guys.

1358
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 3: They're actually pretty good on size. But who's the I'm

1359
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 3: laying you on the name now there is another slot guy.

1360
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: Oh Jabar Muhammad. Yeah, Morgan played on the boundary exclusively,

1361
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 3: almost exclusively in college. Was part of both the Washington

1362
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 3: Or and Oregon teams that went to the playoff. He's

1363
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 3: gonna move in the inside of the next level really good.

1364
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 3: When the ball's in the air, he you know, he's

1365
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: not the stickiest cover corner, but he's fine. But he

1366
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 3: does a good job of recovering. And then when the

1367
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 3: ball's in the air and at the catch point, especially

1368
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 3: for guys' size, is very very competitive. So I think

1369
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: there's some real UNTAP patent if you can improve his

1370
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 3: cover skills and kind of get him, you know, in

1371
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 3: the film room and recognizing patterns and things like that,

1372
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 3: and just maybe work on his footwork. I don't know

1373
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 3: exactly what it is that his cover skills aren't there.

1374
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 3: Those are just a couple of things that can you

1375
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 3: can do to improve it. Like I think there's some

1376
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: real untap potential. But he is small. He's gonna have

1377
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 3: to play in the slot.

1378
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: Okay, safety, See this is a good pace, all right.

1379
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: He didn't take an hour and a half to get

1380
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: through all the different positions. Is nice already. Kickers.

1381
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 3: I don't care if say we're doing kickers.

1382
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: My day two safety might be the same as yours.

1383
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: But I just love this player so much I had

1384
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: to give him the hype. Andrew from Texas is just

1385
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: the absolute dog.

1386
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: That's the That's the guy I've been screaming about them

1387
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: getting for two years now retired. Is that not the

1388
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 3: exact guy? He so?

1389
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, like I feel like I'm much higher

1390
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 1: on him than a lot of other people.

1391
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 3: Are, Like every week, what are you people looking at?

1392
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: I think it's because of the size, Like I would think,

1393
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: like he's not the biggest guy.

1394
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 3: I'm not super word. How big was devinc Cordy? I'm

1395
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: not super fine. Can you cover ground? That's all I

1396
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 3: care about all but like.

1397
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: Just absolute uh shot out of a cannon trigger to

1398
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: the football, whether it's ranging over the top, you know,

1399
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 1: fill in the alley in the run game, screen game,

1400
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. That interception that he made

1401
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 1: against Georgia was just ridiculous, uh, insane ball skills, Like

1402
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: has that ability to rotate, you know, down into the

1403
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: robber role or play the deep part of the field,

1404
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: or play split safety. I just think that he's gonna

1405
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: be a hell of a football player. That another one

1406
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: of those guys that might not have like the size,

1407
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: speed measureables that everybody you know goes ooh and ah over,

1408
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: but it's gonna vastly outplay the physical tools that that

1409
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: are at his disposal, with instincts and just you know,

1410
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: feel for the game and and uh and just talent,

1411
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of football talent. So I can't

1412
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: say enough good things about Andrew mccooba. I think he's

1413
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: a heck of a safety. And I put Billy Bowman

1414
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: like kind of in the same sort of bucket. Guy

1415
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: with those two guys. I thought both those guys were

1416
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: awesome watches.

1417
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, mccoob was one of my favorite players in this draft, like,

1418
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 3: not like one of the best, but I think he's

1419
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 3: really good at what he does. And the fact he's

1420
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 3: getting slept on since you took him for Day two.

1421
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: I'll just throw Xavier Watson there another guy that I

1422
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 3: think could play the back end for them. Yeah, but

1423
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 3: I I like mccoomba and Bowman. I Bowman now is

1424
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: getting Day two looks. Apparently. I thought he was like

1425
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 3: one oh six great, but now I guess some people

1426
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 3: think he could go on day two. I think Bowman

1427
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 3: is a little different Bowman played. He's he's shorter, but

1428
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 3: he's like he's got more muscle on him, a little

1429
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 3: bit more. I think he plays the game more physically,

1430
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 3: more with an edge. He's more to me that hybrid.

1431
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 3: He's kind of similar to Mac McWilliams, where I think

1432
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 3: they're both hybrid slot corner deep safeties. But I think

1433
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 3: McWilliams is more primarily a corner. I think Bowman is

1434
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 3: more primarily a safety like Andrew mccoob. But we've talked

1435
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 3: about this.

1436
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 1: Put mccooba as a playmaker that is gonna be around.

1437
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 3: So, like, we've talked about this deep safety role for

1438
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 3: a few years now, and we talk about it every time.

1439
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 3: We talk about it in two ways, Devin mccorty and

1440
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: Deron Harmon. And there's the guy that's gonna be out

1441
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 3: there and you're gonna play single high a lot because

1442
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 3: this guy's on the field seventy eighty ninety percent of

1443
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 3: the time Devin mccorty was leading the Patriots and snaps

1444
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 3: every year. And then there's also, all right, if you

1445
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 3: don't get that guy, can you get a guy like

1446
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: Drawn Harmon who can come on the field and just

1447
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: play it situationally when you're in clear passing situations, two

1448
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 3: minute trail, third and long things like that. So, to me,

1449
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 3: like Billy Bowman is a situational deep safety. Billy Bowman

1450
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 3: is not gonna be a guy who's gonna play ninety

1451
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 3: percent of your defensive snaps. It's gonna be out there

1452
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 3: fifty to sixty percent of the time. He's gonna play

1453
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 3: the role really well, but you're not gonna want to

1454
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 3: overdo it. Andrew mccooba, I'm fine if Andrew mccoop maybe

1455
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 3: not as a rookie, but like Andrew mccooba, to me

1456
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 3: is a guy that can full time play the Devin

1457
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 3: mccordy role and be on and not come off the field.

1458
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 3: Bowman to me is more situational. So the guy that

1459
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 3: I looked at and I say rotational in that situation.

1460
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have been pumping this guy's tires as sort

1461
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: of the Deron Harmon Day three pick is Malchai Moore

1462
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: from Alabama. Yeah, who has similar you know, range and

1463
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: instincts and ball howking ability in the deep part of

1464
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: the field. I think he's one of those guys that

1465
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: is exactly the Deron Harmon role, like third down in

1466
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 1: eight and you gotta have it, like you just put

1467
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: him in the deep middle. He's going to cover the post,

1468
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: He's going to cover over the top. He's gonna, you know,

1469
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: take advantage of those arm punts that every once in

1470
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: a while Dron Harmon would take advantage of the closer

1471
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: right and go and make those types of plays. Is

1472
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: he Ed Reid in the middle of the field. No,

1473
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: like's not. He's not that kind of impact player, but

1474
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: he's a guy that can come in and play that

1475
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: role and allow Kyle Dugger and Jabriel Peppers to do

1476
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: their thing closer to the line of scrimmage. And we've

1477
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: been talking about this a lot, and I feel like,

1478
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, every single year, and some people push back

1479
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: on it, but I really feel strongly that they got

1480
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: to get those guys Dugger and Peppers back into their

1481
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: natural spots, especially yes when the game is on the

1482
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: line and when they're really in those money situations. Get

1483
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: Kyle Dugger out of the middle of the field, get

1484
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: him closer to the box, get him moving forward again,

1485
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: get him blitzing, get him covering tight ends, you know,

1486
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: like that sort of thing. I think there's so they're

1487
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: much better players when Dugger and Peppers are doing those

1488
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: types of things versus asking them to play free safety.

1489
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: So even if it's a guy that comes in that's

1490
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: only going to play thirty five forty percent of the

1491
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: snaps fifty percent of the snaps, but it's allowing those

1492
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: guys to play where they should be playing. I think

1493
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: that would really complete this secondary like puzzle completely to get.

1494
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 3: We're back to the Javon Holland talk based all right,

1495
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 3: do you have any more safety Day three? Deep Safety Uh,

1496
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: Dante Trader from Maryland.

1497
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: I loved him at the Senior Bowl. I thought he

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Speaker 1: was a really good player.

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Speaker 3: This is Bill's guy. You know, he was a top

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Speaker 3: ten lacrosse recruit coming out of high school.

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01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. He he moved up the board a

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01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: little bit. I think maybe the Senior Bowl helped him.

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01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: He had a good week down.

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01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: Big Tom lacrosse player and football player.

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01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 3: And you know, I was just going to get to

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01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 3: focus on football. Rob like again too, sport athletes like.

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01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: He's athletic as hell. He's one of the most truly

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01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 3: athletic players in this draft to me, hyper athletic safety.

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 3: At the very worst, you're getting a plus special teams player.

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01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 3: And for a guy that's projected to go I mean,

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01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 3: I think could probably get him one seventy one would

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01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 3: be the earliest I think you need to take him.

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01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 3: You might be able to get him with those two

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01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 3: hundred picks. A guy like that to make good, that'd

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01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 3: be good solid pick.

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01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of a hybrid safety to me, just

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01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: at least the way I used him at the scene.

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01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 1: But I think he's he can play a little bit

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01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: in the box and cover tight ends and also played.

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01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 3: He's still so raw. I like him as a coverage player.

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01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 3: He's still so raw. You've got to turn him into

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01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 3: whatever you want him to be. I don't know that

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01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 3: he has a skill set at this point that it's

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01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 3: like he needs to play here, he needs to play there.

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01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 3: He's just an athlete. Stick him somewhere and let him

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01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:30,799
Speaker 3: learn the position.

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01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: In mobile he played, they had him doing one on

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01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: ones against tight ends for a lot of the week

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01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: and he did a really good job. Like I think

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01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: he was one of the better safeties in respects of,

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01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: you know, covering some of those tight ends down there

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01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. So definitely a guy on my

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01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: list as well. All Right, we're going to get into

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Speaker 1: all your lovely calls and emails here. We've got tons

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01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: of emails rolling in alex So as you can expect,

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01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, eight days before the draft. You know the

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01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: people you want to be heard from. But before we do, wait,

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01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: we we more position.

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Speaker 3: You almost stuck down by me. Yes, give me one kicker.

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01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 3: Give name a kicker in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzgerald.

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01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 3: All right, why Ryan Fitzgerald flories state why big Leg Okay.

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01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: Can hit from fifty plus? Made a fifty nine yarder

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01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: against Georgia Tech.

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01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 3: I heard.

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01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: I read that on NFL dot Com.

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01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 3: Yeah I did. I think that was an islands.

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01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, big leg cut it through the Foxborough winters, got

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01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: good ballflight, you know, the ballflies high, which is what

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01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: Jeremy Springer was talking about. I got to cut it

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01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: through the wind in the air here in Foxborough. Ryan Fitzgerald,

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01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: I still like Sauls. I think they're gonna take Borgallis is.

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01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: The other thing Springer talked about a.

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01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: Lot was consistency. So Sauls had a really good twenty

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01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 3: twenty two. He had an excellent twenty twenty four. He

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01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 3: kind of slipped in twenty twenty three. He took a

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: step back. He didn't have a good year. Borgallis has

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01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 3: been steady all four years, has been a starter at Miami.

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01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 3: I think that's what they're gonna value more than the

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 3: bad weather.

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01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fitzgerald, at least from what I read, again, did

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01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: not do any homework on the Kickers, besides reading NFL

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01:10:55,439 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: dot COM's scotting report. Yeah, like forty to forty nine

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01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: range is a little iffy for him, but he's like

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01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: money from inside forty and then he's got the big

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01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 1: leg to kick fifty plus, but those like intermediate kicks

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01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: were a little bit of a up and down roller

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01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: coaster for him, And I feel like that might take

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01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: them off the board, you know, that might put them

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01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:14,919
Speaker 1: in a different category.

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Speaker 3: So then the guy you're probably looking at, if you

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01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 3: value that, is Tyler Loop from Arizona. Loop seven of

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01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 3: eight from forty to forty nine last year, but also

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01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 3: was six of nine from fifty plus, including Evan a

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01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 3: sixty two yard sixty two.

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Speaker 1: Get the all right, you good? Now at your.

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01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: Kickers, there's like just numbers wise forget talent. There's not

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 3: a lot of kickers in this draft.

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01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: No, no, but it's but there's in like there's some

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01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 1: draftable kickers. Yeah, I just named the couple.

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01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 3: Pork also get drafted. I think fitzals and Fitzgerald might

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01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 3: be Yeah, Loop, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots. All right, let's get to your phones.

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01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: Into your emails. Thank you so much for waiting on

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01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: the line. I know you guys have been waiting for

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01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 1: a while. Patty is an aguam. What's up, Patty?

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 5: What is going on?

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01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 3: Jon?

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01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 6: How we doing doing great today?

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01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 2: Man?

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01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 6: Eight days to the draft. I just wanted to express

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01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 6: one of the things that's been Somebody brought this up

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01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 6: and I can't remember who brought it up, but like

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01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 6: the facts are not the fact, but like the hypothetical,

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Speaker 6: if we were to pick genty at number four, what

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01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 6: are the odds that, like he signs a second contract?

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01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,679
Speaker 6: And just let me rank here for a minute. Alex,

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01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 6: I'm in agreement with you because I think you were

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01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 6: one of the first two people to bring up I mean,

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01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 6: our first three round guys. You know, they they have

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01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 6: to contribute, they have to play, they have to contribute,

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01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 6: maybe not even start. But to me, the bigger picture

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01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 6: thing with this draft, because it doesn't look like it's

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01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 6: gonna happen with what's the last year's draft, is I

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01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 6: want all three of those picks, all four of those picks,

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01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, in the first three rounds to be able.

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01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 6: I want guys that are going to sign second contracts

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 6: because how long did we go without signing a first

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01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 6: or second round guy over the last ten years? I

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01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 6: think Duggar was like the last one last year, right,

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01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 6: And I don't even know the answer to the question.

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01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 3: I remember looking it up.

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01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:18,559
Speaker 2: It it was.

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd been like five or six years.

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01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 6: And I think, I mean, anyway, not only do they

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01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 6: need to hit, they need they need guys that they're

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 6: going to sign second contracts and be part of this

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01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 6: nucleus in this in this rable era. That's all I got,

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 6: That's all I had to get off my JAD. But

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 6: I'll tell you guys next week next week with my

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01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 6: predictive picks.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, love it, Pattie, Thanks for the call. It was

1628
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: a while that in between guys. It was like Dante

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01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: high Tower was like the last one for like a

1630
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 1: really long time in between guys that they drafted in

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01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: the first round and signed the second contracts. I think

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01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: Juwan Bentley might have ended the run technically for overall

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01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:57,839
Speaker 1: draft picks yeah, which.

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01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 3: Is uh, yeah, I've never and Jennings knows and Jennings

1635
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 3: for top one hundred picks before them, it was if

1636
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 3: you don't count, if you don't count, Joe Toney's franchise

1637
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 3: tag it was Oh, that's right, it was Logan Ryan

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01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 3: and Deron Harmon. Yeah, so they had a get there.

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01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 3: As for Genty in a second contract, I mean it's

1640
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 3: a fair question. It's obviously a position where durability is

1641
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 3: more more of a question than usual gent you're not

1642
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 3: drafting gent d. I don't want to say you're not

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01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 3: drafting Genty with a long term outlook. I don't want

1644
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 3: to say this, like I think one of the big

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01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 3: boosts for drafting Genty if you're drafted, the part of

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01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 3: the conviction for drafting him. He's an immediate chart shot

1647
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 3: in the arm of the offense. This is not a

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01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 3: guy that needs to develop. This is not a guy

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 3: that needs to grow. He's going to step on the field.

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 3: Does he have just all things, even Evan, Yeah, he has.

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01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 3: He has a quicker path to make an impact. He's

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 3: a better chance to make a massive impact more than

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 3: any other player they'd take it for.

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01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you know, Travis Hunter and Abdol Carter aren't there.

1655
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: I think that what you're trying to say with Gendi

1656
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 1: to me at least, is like you just inherently expect

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01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 1: running back to have a little bit of a shorter

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01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: shelf life. Yeah, and I think his career, I've said

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01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: this in the past, I think would probably mirror something

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01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: like Zeke Elliott's career, where the rookie contract is phenomenal,

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01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: Like he's like an All Pro player every single year

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01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: of his rookie contract, but then once you get into

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01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 1: the second contract, you're five year six, year seven, you

1664
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 1: just see a precipitous drop off like you did with Zeke.

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01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: I think it's similar because Zeke also carried the ball

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: out at Ohio State and was like a featured back

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01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 1: at Ohio State, and then he came into the NFL

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01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 1: and was the best player from his rookie class. Is

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01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: his rookie year, I would say, and was awesome for Dallas,

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01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 1: Like Dallas was a wagon that year and had him

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01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 1: in the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I just think if you're drafting genty, part of the

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01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 3: reason you're drafting him is to get the offense going

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: as quick as possible.

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01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably so you think the Dallas was probably

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01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't know that Dak was going to hit,

1677
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: but they had a similar kind of plan for sure

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. All Right, Todd is in North Carolina.

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01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: What's up, Todd, Todday, Todd?

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01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 3: What you got.

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01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: Three?

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01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: Two one?

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01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: All right, Todd? We had you on hold for a while.

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: Give us a call back if you want. Randy's in Providence.

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01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: What's up, Randy?

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Speaker 5: Hey, how's it going? Guys? I had a quick draft

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01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 5: question for you and a couple of names I wanted

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01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 5: to throw at you, but I first Alex had been

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01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 5: talking about working at the stadium to open the program,

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01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 5: and I wanted to share a quick story, if you

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01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 5: don't mind, when I worked there in the warehouse in

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Speaker 5: like two thousand and five and two thousand and six,

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01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,320
Speaker 5: that was the year Teddy Brushy was coming back. And

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01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 5: the warehouse they like stock up concession stands and food

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01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 5: locations and stuff. And back then, the security CSC guys

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01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 5: had like a food rum right by the mouth of

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Speaker 5: the tunnel, and I was stalking that up when Teddy

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01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 5: Brushy came out onto the field. And I mean he

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01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 5: was at the podium all the time. He tea him

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01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 5: on TV, and he looked like a totally regular dude.

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01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 5: You know, he looked like someone's dad. He's very conservative,

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01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 5: mild mannered, et cetera. But I remember watching him run

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01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 5: past me, and he just looked like a madman. His

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01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 5: eyes were so intense it was it blew my mind

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Speaker 5: that it was the same guy that I had seen

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Speaker 5: on TV. So I don't know, I thought it was

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01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 5: a fun story to share with you. But the Travis Hunter,

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 5: he came out with the CBS basically saying like I think,

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01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 5: directly saying, if he wasn't allowed to play full time

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01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 5: both sides of the ball, he would essentially retire. And

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01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 5: I wonder how you guys think that's going to affect

1712
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 5: his stock, not just with us, but just like with

1713
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 5: the rest of the league, and not even just in

1714
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 5: that he wants to play both sides of the ball

1715
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 5: full time, but the idea that he can come in

1716
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 5: making such a demand might offset some coaches or ruffle

1717
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:59,679
Speaker 5: some feathers and so puts. And then the couple names

1718
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 5: that after he guys is uh, I don't think I

1719
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 5: heard you mentioned either Omar Norman Law or J. J.

1720
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 5: Pagays good penetrating tackles. And then one guy on offense.

1721
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 5: Have you guys seen any lamb laris and tape? The

1722
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 5: guy is it's it's wild stuff. I mean, one hand

1723
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 5: to catch it as well. He's breaking tackles, hurtling players

1724
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 5: left and right. It's really entertaining, highlight, real stuff to watch.

1725
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: So thanks, thanks for the caller. Any good call to

1726
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: the first point? Uh what was the first place? Travis

1727
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 1: Hunter saying Travis Hunter, Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah.

1728
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 3: So for he didn't say he'd retire if he couldn't

1729
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 3: play both ways full time. The full time was not

1730
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 3: a part of that.

1731
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1732
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 3: Also, go ahead, dude, like, don't play football. I I

1733
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 3: don't think it's gonna impact it that much.

1734
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: I don't think it impacts it at all.

1735
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 3: No, he he wasn't talking about playing full time. And

1736
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 3: I do think he'll play whatever, and he's gonna play

1737
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 3: wide receiver primarily. I think wherever he ends up, I

1738
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 3: do think he'll still mix in a little bit on defense.

1739
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 3: And I again i'd call his block right, say you know,

1740
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 3: all right, finding go cover kicks. You want to be

1741
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 3: on the football field, so bad, go cover kicks.

1742
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna matter one. No, I think

1743
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: that this kind of stuff never really truly matters to

1744
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: prospects status. I mean, he's obviously extremely unique in terms

1745
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: of what he can do, but I think he's going

1746
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: to be a Cleveland Brown, And I don't think there's

1747
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: really much that he could say outside of like pulling

1748
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: like an Eli Manning and saying I refuse to play

1749
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns. Right, that would stop him from

1750
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: being a Cleveland Brown. So I don't necessarily look too

1751
01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 1: much into any of that kind of stuff. And I

1752
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: am with you, it's not necessarily that he's saying that

1753
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: he has to play one hundred percent of the snaps

1754
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: on both sides of the football. He just wants the

1755
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: opportunity to potentially play both sides. And I keep mentioning

1756
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: it because he was with us yesterday. But you know,

1757
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones has played both sides of the ball. Obviously

1758
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: not at a high clip on offense, but he technically

1759
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: has played both sides of the ball. So I don't

1760
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: think it's going to be too hard for a team

1761
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: to pease Travis hunt Her in that respect. You'll get

1762
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: them snaps on both sides of the football eventually. All

1763
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,799
Speaker 1: right here he is Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up? Eldred?

1764
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 2: There we go, Hey, fellas, how y'all doing good? I

1765
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 2: got a question, really too okay, uh, every mock draft

1766
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 2: and then some of the chat sports or NFL Rush

1767
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 2: Patriots or whatever you know podcast be listening to why

1768
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 2: everybody want to keep getting splot receivers when all that

1769
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 2: we got is a bunch of slot receivers, not an X,

1770
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 2: not a true EG. And the stuccest question is what

1771
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 2: round do because I can't finding on PFF. Do they

1772
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 2: got Jordan uh selected to go in and Jalen Smith

1773
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 2: and John Giles if they're coming back or they just

1774
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: camp body and I.

1775
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 1: Take it off their Thanks fellas, Thanks Eldrid. I think

1776
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: those last two guys that you mentioned they were on

1777
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots roster are our practice squad, you know, camp

1778
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 1: tryout types. Dante Thornton I think is probably gonna be

1779
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: mid day three, you know, fifth or sixth round up there.

1780
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 1: He is a complete project, Like he doesn't have very

1781
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 1: many branches to his roundtree. He's got you know, catch

1782
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: point issues that he's going to have to work out.

1783
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 1: He is a size speed project. And you know, if

1784
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:24,839
Speaker 1: he goes to a team that knows how to develop receivers,

1785
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:28,719
Speaker 1: like if he goes to Pittsburgh for example, and trades

1786
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: a trains underneath dk Metcalf, who is like probably the

1787
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: apex of his archetype. Then maybe Dante Thornton can turn

1788
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: into something.

1789
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 2: Uh.

1790
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: The reason it's a good question about you know, there's

1791
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: a lot of conversations about Jalen Knowle or Kyle Williams

1792
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: or Luther Burden, you guys that play in the slot

1793
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: versus outside. And I would just say, there's not a

1794
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: ton of pure x receivers in this draft at the

1795
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,759
Speaker 1: top of the draft. But outside of Ted and Jenden Higgins,

1796
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: if it's not one of those two guys, maybe Trey Harris,

1797
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, would probably be like first, second, third round.

1798
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

1799
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: And so those are the three guys that really that

1800
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: I can think of unless you're an a man or

1801
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,520
Speaker 1: guy who can play a little bit on the outside

1802
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: maybe full time and you know, obviously like Day three guys.

1803
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 1: But that's what I think. The enticing guys is the

1804
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make. You know, Noel Williams, Burden,

1805
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 1: like Buka, Matthew Golden, even like those guys are more

1806
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: move you know, Z flanker type of receivers uh than

1807
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: the pure x guys. And that's just the type of people,

1808
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: you know, the type of receiver that people are looking for.

1809
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 3: Well, I would also push back on the idea that

1810
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 3: all the Patriots have are slot guys. I don't think

1811
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:46,679
Speaker 3: that's at least not proven. Uh, you know I, Pop

1812
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 3: Douglas is not. You gotta we gotta go back to

1813
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 3: that McDaniels offense. That's the other reason we're talking so

1814
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 3: much about the slot. This is not an offensive passing

1815
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 3: game that runs through the X receiver. It's an offense

1816
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 3: that runs through the slot receiver in the tight end.

1817
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 3: So Pop Douglas is a good player. Like I have

1818
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 3: nothing against Pop Douglas. He's not a Josh McDaniel slot player.

1819
01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 3: He's gonna be more in that Chris Hogan role. He's

1820
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 3: gonna line up in the slot, but he's gonna go

1821
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 3: more vertical. He's not a chain mover. He's not a

1822
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 3: guy you can throw the ball two one hundred twenty

1823
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 3: times a season. He's just not built for that. Jalen

1824
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 3: Polk is more that prototype. But is he a guy

1825
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 3: that you're comfortable putting into that spot without any real

1826
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 3: competition this year? After that, Baker's gonna play primarily on

1827
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 3: the outside. Booty is a z outside guy. I think

1828
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 3: Bourne is a true Z. Maybe you're gonna play Steph

1829
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 3: Diggs in the slot, but I guess I should have

1830
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 3: included him in there. If they're comfortable with Diggs is

1831
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 3: that guy. I don't know that that's the best uses

1832
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 3: of him, though I want him as the Z. To me,

1833
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 3: ideally it's Diggs. Digs is the full time Z. Pop

1834
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,599
Speaker 3: Douglas is kind of your fourth receiver, your big play.

1835
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 3: You know he's not gonna play a lot. When he's

1836
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 3: on the field, he makes an impact. He's Dan Avindla, right,

1837
01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 3: And then you gotta get at an X in a slot.

1838
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 3: And I don't even know that they need. Like, if

1839
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 3: they want to throw Booty out there at the X, fine,

1840
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 3: if they get a really good slot receiver, I think

1841
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 3: that would work. Or you have Booty and Born and

1842
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 3: Baker all compete, what have you? Like, I do think

1843
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 3: slot's a need because this is a slot heavy offense.

1844
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 3: They don't have anybody proven there. Pop Douglas to me

1845
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 3: is a proven player, but he's not a guy you

1846
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 3: can put in that role in this offense for what

1847
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:23,880
Speaker 3: that players asked to do well.

1848
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 1: So the question is really and coming off the injury

1849
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 1: is with Diggs, it's his dig's going to be able

1850
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 1: to be a high volume receiver next year. Because if

1851
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: he's a high volume receiver next year, then he is

1852
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: the Z receiver in this offense that gets fed to targets.

1853
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: That's the Edelman Welker, you know, Dion Branch, Troy Brown

1854
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: type of receiver in this offense. Like he's the chain mover,

1855
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: he's the engine of the offense. My big question with

1856
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: McDaniels just in general, you know, and we get to

1857
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:56,839
Speaker 1: talk to him a little bit more like his offense

1858
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: is historically now not so much the Raiders because they

1859
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: ended up getting DeVante Adams and they kind of pivoted

1860
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: away from this, But historically speaking in New England, they've

1861
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: had a sacrificial X receiver whose job is literally just

1862
01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 1: to draw coverage away from where they're actually trying to

1863
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: throw the football. So is he always going to have

1864
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 1: an X receiver that's just doing wind sprints on the

1865
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: outside and occasionally if he gets behind the defense he'll

1866
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,679
Speaker 1: see targets. Or are they going to try to revamp

1867
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: the offense around a X receiver that is the high

1868
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: volume guy in the offense. You know, they did it

1869
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 1: in Vegas, DeVante Adams. They obviously did it here with

1870
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,959
Speaker 1: Randy Moss, but that's DeVante Adams and Randy.

1871
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 3: Moss and even those two guys. Even those two guys,

1872
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 3: Moss was here with Welker. Yeah, Moss wasn't catching a

1873
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 3: hundred passes, right, Welker was to a lesser extent in Vegas.

1874
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 3: Kobe Myers, yeah, was in that role. So you need

1875
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 3: a guy in the slot that you're comfortable targeting one

1876
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 3: hundred to one hundred and twenty times in the season.

1877
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 3: It's that guy on this roster right now. I don't

1878
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 3: think so.

1879
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,760
Speaker 1: So you don't think it's Steph Diggs because I think

1880
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: it might be.

1881
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 3: He probably is the best shot. Yeah, I wonder with

1882
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 3: the injury, if that's how they want to use him.

1883
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 3: You also don't have him at the beginning of the year,

1884
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 3: like you don't know where he's at. Fair Enough, he

1885
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 3: is the best shot, But I don't feel great about

1886
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 3: Pulp being that guy. I like again, I like Pop

1887
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 3: as a player. That's not his role, that's not where

1888
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 3: he's going to be at his best. Maybe who else

1889
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 3: is even really in contention, like has the skill set

1890
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 3: for that?

1891
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's their vision for Diggs, assuming that

1892
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: he's healthy, is to really be the chain mover and

1893
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: be the engine of the offense.

1894
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 3: And I want to see him in was in in

1895
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 3: twenty one before he got sick, like Peek Bourne in

1896
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 3: twenty one.

1897
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: That's a I mean it's adjacent like where.

1898
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 3: It's adjacent, but he was he was playing off of myrons.

1899
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Bourne was like in a catch and run role,

1900
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, like I think Diggs is a true like

1901
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 1: it's thirty eight, I'm gonna get you nine ten eleves.

1902
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't have a problem with that being

1903
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 3: part of diggs role. I want to see him at

1904
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 3: all three levels. I think he can still make plays

1905
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 3: at all three levels. So I'm talking about the guy

1906
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 3: that you're gonna have go, you know, run return route

1907
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 3: at the sticks. Yeah, and that's what he's doing. He's

1908
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 3: gonna do really well and he's gonna pick up yards

1909
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 3: after the catch. But that's like his assignment. I want

1910
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 3: that can be part of what Diggs does, and he

1911
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 3: can function in this role at times, but I want

1912
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 3: him doing more than that.

1913
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:19,560
Speaker 1: So I agree, I could see that. I think that

1914
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: the role you know that you're probably talking about they're

1915
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: probably envisioning for pop Like I think Douglas is going

1916
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,879
Speaker 1: to be, you know, to peer like number three inside

1917
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 1: of Haas that's running the juke series and things like that.

1918
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, Diggs is probably gonna be running the seams

1919
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:35,920
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, I I could see that. I

1920
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: think that, you know, when you look at the McDaniels

1921
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: offense and the receivers that typically you know, have played

1922
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: the X in his offense, Like I think Trey Harris

1923
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: from Ole Miss is exactly the type of X receiver

1924
01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 1: that they would target. That is a that he is

1925
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: a sacrificial act?

1926
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 3: Was he the one you compared to Lafel? Yeah, well

1927
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 3: you can do a little more than that, like sacrificial

1928
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 3: get no offense because you know, I like this players

1929
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 3: jimir Berg or.

1930
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 1: De mere Bird and Nelson or like extreme examples of

1931
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. But yeah, like that's the role.

1932
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 1: But that made some plays though, Yeah, and I think

1933
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: Trey Harris would make some play, you know, like I

1934
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: I think.

1935
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 3: That that's but you need to take that guy in

1936
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 3: the second round.

1937
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 1: No, I think that that's probably someone you take it

1938
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: the third round or maybe.

1939
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 3: At one O Sick can Dante Thorton do that.

1940
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 1: Maybe in a couple of years that if he develops.

1941
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: You know, Dante Thornton is a is a one trick

1942
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 1: pony without very many other tricks.

1943
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 3: When you say sacrificial, I'm thinking just windsprints.

1944
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: I think when I say sacrificial, I mean like a

1945
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 1: guy on the outside that again is not Randy Moss,

1946
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: Like he's not really dictating coverage plan, but you have

1947
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,600
Speaker 1: to at least respect the fact that he's on the field, right,

1948
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,320
Speaker 1: Like we're not talking about a complete We're just not

1949
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: even gonna worry about this guy being out there. But

1950
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: it's not a high volume role, and it's a role

1951
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 1: that is a lot of clear outs, you know, taking

1952
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: coverage out of the way, occupying the post safety in

1953
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: the middle of the field, like that sort of stuff,

1954
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: Like because they're trying to hit you know, different areas,

1955
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, between the numbers at the first and second level,

1956
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, with tight ends, slot receivers, running backs out

1957
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: of the backfield. Uh so you have to have somebody

1958
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: that is there to take the top off. But that's

1959
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: not necessarily a guy that's gonna see a whole lot

1960
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: of targets. I think Trey Harris is probably the best

1961
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: in this draft, and you know, the third round range

1962
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: as somebody that could purely do that. Now if it

1963
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: was me to your point, a little bit like Jalen

1964
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 1: Nole can come in and be like the true slot

1965
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 1: right in this off Yeah, Kyle Williams might be able

1966
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: to do that too and play a little bit more

1967
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: on the outside and kind of play almost like digs

1968
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: where he has like a little bit of inside outside versatility.

1969
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: So I just think those guys offer a little bit

1970
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: more whereas if you're taking Trey Harris or if you're

1971
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 1: taking a o manor if you're taking even Dante Thornton later,

1972
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 1: like you're taking them to play that role for the

1973
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: rest of their career, right like that that's what they're

1974
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: gonna I'm going to do.

1975
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 3: Is one most point. At what point you look at

1976
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 3: it and just say that's mac Collins and they don't

1977
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 3: take an X.

1978
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I'm at right Like, it's like,

1979
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 1: would you would you do that when you could have

1980
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: Kaishan Boody do that, or you could have MATC Collins

1981
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,840
Speaker 1: do that? Like would you really waste a top one

1982
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: hundred draft pick on something that Kaishan Boody is is

1983
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 1: capable of doing. You know, every once in a while,

1984
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: when Kaishan Boody gets a match up and he has

1985
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: a good release, he's going to get a go ball.

1986
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's like football ash yeah, right, like you

1987
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: know that, do you have to use another top one

1988
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:33,600
Speaker 1: hundred pick on a guy that can just is just

1989
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna do that?

1990
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 3: I I want them to prioritize the slot. That's what

1991
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 3: I I you need that guy that can and and

1992
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 3: you're right, it's tigging. I I er, it's it's it's nol.

1993
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 3: I even wonder about Kyle Williams in that role a

1994
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 3: little bit, just because like he's not a big guy either.

1995
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 3: He strikes me as more of a ze than like

1996
01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 3: a McDaniel's slot. Yeah, yeah, he's just a great are you?

1997
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 3: Are you done with Restreppa?

1998
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 1: Pretty much like if I'm drafting Rostreppa, though I'm drafting

1999
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: him like to push or replace Pop Douglas, Like he's

2000
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 1: like the fourth guy in this mix.

2001
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 3: To me, I do very different things yet not really though,

2002
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 3: Like I.

2003
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 1: Think that if you fast right, but they're both in

2004
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: my mind guys that they're gonna have running quick hitters,

2005
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 1: like you're gonna have Ristreppa running the juke route. You're

2006
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: gonna have Rastrepo, you know, finding soft spots over the

2007
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: middle of the field and zone like that would be

2008
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 1: the one thing that I would say he probably is

2009
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 1: better at than Pop, Like Pop doesn't have a great

2010
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: feel for zone right now yet, and like kind of

2011
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:31,880
Speaker 1: finding those pockets and making himself available and things like

2012
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: that and settling and all that good stuff, Like Rastreppo

2013
01:31:35,160 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: could probably do that a little bit better already. But

2014
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: Pop is obviously way more dynamic, you know, as a mover,

2015
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, Rostrepo. To me, I still think is is

2016
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,800
Speaker 1: a Danny Amandola type, Like I still think that that's

2017
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: a decent time.

2018
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Speaker 3: I don't think he is the burst for that.

2019
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 1: But I you're saying, yeah, all right, let's get to

2020
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: some of these emails. We have a lot of a

2021
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: lot of emails rolling in. So, uh, this is an

2022
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 1: interesting question, and I think it's something that we've talked

2023
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,400
Speaker 1: about a little bit. But this is Steven from Crown

2024
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,000
Speaker 1: Point and he did a lot of homework. I don't know,

2025
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: we can't really translate this to Radio Steven, So I apologize,

2026
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: but basically his his argument is, you know, Will Campbell

2027
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 1: obviously has a lot of talk about his arm lane

2028
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 1: thirty two and five minutes thirty combine thirty three at

2029
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: his pro day, and he mentioned all of the he

2030
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 1: did the homework of all the pass rushers that Will

2031
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: Campbell faced and our top one hundred guys that he

2032
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: faced in twenty twenty five and wrote down all of

2033
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:35,000
Speaker 1: their their arm lights and basically made the point that

2034
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: he's been winning against guys with longer arms than him

2035
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: for yeah, three years in the SEC.

2036
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,080
Speaker 3: Those guys are going to the league.

2037
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the one guy that I looked at when

2038
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: I wrote my film review of Will Campbell, which published

2039
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: today on Patriots dot Com, was a Shamar Stewart who

2040
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 1: has over thirty four inch arms.

2041
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2042
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: And now I'm not the biggest Shamar Stewart fan, so

2043
01:32:56,120 --> 01:32:59,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little bit. You know, I already kind

2044
01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 1: of have some concerns about Stuart as a player, and

2045
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,759
Speaker 1: I kind of pumped up Campbell using Stewart as an example.

2046
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: But Stewart is a has thirty four inch arms and

2047
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 1: is a bull rusher, Like that's a power, linear, down

2048
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: the hill bull rusher with great arm light and great

2049
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: raw measurables, and Will Campbell had no problem whatsoever anchoring

2050
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: against Jamar Stewart in that game. So I use that

2051
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: as an example. You know, it's a great point. It's

2052
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: a great point about Will Campbell's arm length and something

2053
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: that I feel like we've touched on a little bit.

2054
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:35,680
Speaker 1: This is another question about tackles from Larry, and he

2055
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 1: just wanted us to give like the best case and

2056
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 1: worst case scenario for Will Campbell and armand Membo. Now

2057
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 1: I always put this caveat in there. The worst case

2058
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 1: for any draft prospect is that they stink in their

2059
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 1: out of the league, right, That's the worst case. But

2060
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about, you know, realistic worst cases. And

2061
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: I think you know the answer for Will Campbell's obvious

2062
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: he's either a best case, great franchise left tackle or

2063
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: worst case he's a left guard, starting left guard in

2064
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: the NFL. With Membo, I think it's either a franchise

2065
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:06,719
Speaker 1: left tackle or right tackle.

2066
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 3: You know.

2067
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: I think that's the one case for the pro Membu

2068
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: people that I don't hear enough of pro Membu people make,

2069
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 1: is that worst case scenario. If we're gonna give Will

2070
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 1: Campbell that he's gonna be a good guard no matter what.

2071
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: Then why would we not give Membu that he's gonna

2072
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: be a good right tackle no matter what?

2073
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 4: Right?

2074
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:26,800
Speaker 1: Like that just stands to reason.

2075
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,680
Speaker 3: Because the Patriots don't need a right tackle, and there

2076
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:31,400
Speaker 3: is an argument not to need a left guard immediately.

2077
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 3: But I would I would structure that differently, like who

2078
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 3: has the quicker path to the worst case And I

2079
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 3: think it's Membo. Yeah, that move is so tough, and Campbell, Yeah,

2080
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the longest arms, but they've they're not

2081
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 3: uncharacteristically short, despite what some people think. He's at thirty

2082
01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 3: three inches, the same as Rashawan Slater. And mostly he

2083
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 3: doesn't have to learn anything new. He gets to play

2084
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 3: the same position he's played a entire life armand Membu

2085
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 3: is to come in and play a position he's never

2086
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 3: played in his life. Like that's a major variable that

2087
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 3: doesn't get talked about, Like people talk about, oh, well,

2088
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 3: you know it's arm length versus position switch, and they

2089
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 3: just go to arm length because it's physical. But it's like, okay,

2090
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 3: but one guy has gotten here despite that shortcoming the

2091
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 3: other guy, we have no clue what it's going to

2092
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 3: look like yeah, and so there's much more unknown there.

2093
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 1: So the question is is that, yeah, I guess the

2094
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 1: pro membuah thing is okay, Morgan Moses is thirty four

2095
01:35:34,479 --> 01:35:36,880
Speaker 1: years old, right, So if we try him at left

2096
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 1: tackle as a rookie and worst case scenario he fails

2097
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 1: at left tackle as a rookie, how long are we

2098
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: really expecting Morgan Moses to keep playing? So is there

2099
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: a chance that in twenty six armand Membu is just

2100
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:53,000
Speaker 1: our starting right tackle. Now you're back to the driving

2101
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: board at left tackle and you have to do that

2102
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: whole thing all over again. But you would be in

2103
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: the same spot at right tackle too. If Morgan Moses

2104
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 1: this decides, I'm retiring at thirty five years old, like

2105
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 1: you also are going to need a right tackle. So

2106
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: in some ways, like again, like we talk about backstops

2107
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:11,640
Speaker 1: with the Campbell being left guard, I don't know our

2108
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: guard in general. I don't understand why nobody just says

2109
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 1: the backstop for Membu is right tackle, right.

2110
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 3: It's just it's fair. But again, then the question I

2111
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 3: ask is who is who is more likely to get

2112
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 3: to the worst case, who has a tougher path to

2113
01:36:26,040 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 3: avoid that worst case.

2114
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would probably say, you know, Membo is is

2115
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:33,519
Speaker 1: probably more likely to play right tackle long term than

2116
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 1: left tackle, just based off of what I see him

2117
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: on tape. You know, his body type and his obviously

2118
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 1: his experience on that side.

2119
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 3: So instead of assuming the worst case scenario, yeah, let's

2120
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 3: actually look at which player is a better chance of

2121
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 3: avoiding the worst case scenario. And I think that's Campbell.

2122
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:53,920
Speaker 1: That's a fair point. I just think it's funny how

2123
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: like everybody's like asked that question about Membo. It's like,

2124
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: it's it's right. The answer is right there. It's just

2125
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: a natural position, which is right tackle. All right.

2126
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,479
Speaker 3: You could argue his natural positions guards soon he's recruited

2127
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 3: as coming out of high school, he's built more like

2128
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 3: one physically.

2129
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's so athletic and he's got the lank tackle.

2130
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:14,679
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would move him.

2131
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 3: Inside, because every tackle should always be moved inside to guard.

2132
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 3: We should have no tackles because nobody's good enough at it.

2133
01:37:20,160 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 1: So two questions from fill in North Carolina that are

2134
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 1: good ones. One shout out to you. I'll get to

2135
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: that in a second. But this first question is along

2136
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: the same lines of what we're just talking about. We

2137
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 1: brought this up a couple of shows ago about J. C.

2138
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 1: Latham and him trying left tackle as a rookie and

2139
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:38,600
Speaker 1: now they get him back to right tackle, and he

2140
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 1: just asked, you know, what's the difference between Membo and

2141
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 1: J C. Latham. I think there are different types of players.

2142
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: Latham's a pham booth player. Latham's a power player. He's

2143
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: someone that has got incredible power at the point of

2144
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: attack and people moving skill. Membu is a much better

2145
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:58,600
Speaker 1: athlete than JC Latham is, and that gives you a

2146
01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: little bit more hope about him switching to the left side.

2147
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 1: So that's a short answer there.

2148
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

2149
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 1: The other question that Phil had or just a guy

2150
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: that he is gravitating towards as a sleeper is Isaac Tesla,

2151
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 1: who we got up a couple of shows ago as well.

2152
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 3: There's a slot for you and I.

2153
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 1: I had just watched Tesla semi recently to is it Tesla?

2154
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: Tesla like Thatla.

2155
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 3: That's how they was saying that at the combine, you

2156
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 3: don't have to be that ridiculous with.

2157
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 1: Isaac Teslaw sounds funny. It sounds think of like.

2158
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 3: Think like it's like t apostrophe s instead of the

2159
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 3: imagine feels like that.

2160
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: What I was impressed by him, uh well, first of all,

2161
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:44,840
Speaker 1: the the athletics, athleticism. His relative athletics score as RAS

2162
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,640
Speaker 1: was off the charts, Like really good athlete. Another one

2163
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 1: of these like Day three developmental guys that's got a

2164
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: ton of physical talent. But what I was really impressed

2165
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 1: with with him was was how good he is after

2166
01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: the catch, like on screens and stuff like that, Like

2167
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,759
Speaker 1: he's a true catch and run threat. Not in necessarly elusive,

2168
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 1: but he's one of those guys that just h is

2169
01:39:04,040 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, got great contact balance.

2170
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 3: Six four twelve, he gets moving bounce off of Yeah,

2171
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 3: I like his billy tracked the ball to downfield like

2172
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:13,560
Speaker 3: he does a good job with that.

2173
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I kind of put him in a similar bucket

2174
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 1: as Thornton Dante Thorton just because they're both like a

2175
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:23,480
Speaker 1: little raw but have great great uh size, speed, weight measurables.

2176
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:25,599
Speaker 3: So I hadn't really thought of this. With the slot.

2177
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 3: We talked about all these guys to play on the

2178
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 3: boundary in college and move inside just slaw heavy heavy,

2179
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 3: heavy slot receiver. Is he a guy that can move

2180
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 3: outside at the NFL.

2181
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 1: Could he be the X potentially, But I like, I

2182
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 1: feel like with him, you know, he's such a ball

2183
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: of clay in terms of his technique, like his releases,

2184
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 1: and especially if you're going to play the X and

2185
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: play a lot of like backside coverage, you're gonna see

2186
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:47,280
Speaker 1: a lot of press man, so you have to be

2187
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 1: able to release at the line of scrimmage. Like that's

2188
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 1: the number one thing. I know. There's not a lot

2189
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,200
Speaker 1: of evidence. It's not that I don't think he could

2190
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 1: do it, more of a projection. Yeah, there's just not

2191
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 1: a lot of it on tape. Yeah, what's a lot

2192
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: of what's him of him on tape is screens, seam routes,

2193
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,720
Speaker 1: you know, underneath crossers, you know, shallows where he's just

2194
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: catching run with the football. But I thought some of

2195
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:10,960
Speaker 1: the screen stuff that he was doing was really impressive.

2196
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: Like he's going to be a true gadget player right

2197
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: out of the gate. I have a great comp for him,

2198
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 1: But I just feel like that that was interesting. I

2199
01:40:17,479 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting that. I was expecting a little more craft

2200
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: nonetheless explosiveness. He's actually the opposite. He's a rock.

2201
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 3: He's a. He's a boomer He's a boomer bus player.

2202
01:40:25,560 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 3: He's gonna catch that really short stuff and then the

2203
01:40:27,400 --> 01:40:27,760
Speaker 3: go ball.

2204
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Curtis in Saint Louis.

2205
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 3: Wait, was there's something else in that email that was it?

2206
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 3: It was?

2207
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's said, because you brought up Tesla. Yeah. Uh,

2208
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 1: Curtison Saint Louis has two questions, uh that are both

2209
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: good ones. First one, is there a pick the Patriots

2210
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 1: can make it for that would make you pull your

2211
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 1: hair out or left feeling underwhelmed? He has his, but

2212
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: I I'll reveal it after reveal ours.

2213
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:59,880
Speaker 3: Sure, Okay, come on, I know it's it's a weird draft.

2214
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:01,920
Speaker 3: There's a lot of play. Again, there's a lot of

2215
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 3: players that like are fine picks. I can see the path.

2216
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 3: I definitely have my preferences at four. I mean, if

2217
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:14,439
Speaker 3: we want to go nuts, like if they take like

2218
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 3: the second best player to a position, right, So if

2219
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 3: they took like if they took like Kelvin Banks right

2220
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 3: with Will Campbell and in Membo still on the board,

2221
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:29,719
Speaker 3: if they took it's tough to even say a receiver

2222
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,960
Speaker 3: because I Matthew Golden, like I wouldn't necessarily be super

2223
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:34,560
Speaker 3: upset if they took him over Ted. I don't know

2224
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 3: I'd love either guy at four, but that would make

2225
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 3: sense if they took like Walter Nolan over over Mason Graham,

2226
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:44,640
Speaker 3: right like, I think it would probably have to be

2227
01:41:44,760 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 3: something like that. There aren't that many players in this

2228
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,559
Speaker 3: draft that is outright hate for them. They're really aren't,

2229
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 3: at least at the top.

2230
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:54,680
Speaker 1: So I feel like I am contractually obligated to say

2231
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: Ashton Dante, but I don't think I would be like

2232
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,680
Speaker 1: that pulling my hair out. I probably would be underwhelmed

2233
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,520
Speaker 1: by them taking Gent because I'd have all the reservations

2234
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:06,600
Speaker 1: about taking a running back that high, but he's so

2235
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 1: talented that I wouldn't be like, what a horrible pick,

2236
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 1: Like it's that that would not make sense, Like that's

2237
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 1: not what you know I know.

2238
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 3: Who would be and no offense to the player is

2239
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 3: more about them. Will Johnson, Yeah, I just don't He's

2240
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 3: a fine player. There's better players on the board, and

2241
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 3: taking a boundary corner that high for the setup they have,

2242
01:42:25,560 --> 01:42:27,559
Speaker 3: that would make no sense that I couldn't even think

2243
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 3: of one because he's not even on my radar. For

2244
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 3: the fourth overall pick, Will Johnson would make no sense

2245
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:32,600
Speaker 3: to me.

2246
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 1: So the pick that I would probably uh be pulling

2247
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: my I don't think i'd pull my hair out for anybody.

2248
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:41,519
Speaker 1: But the pick that I'd probably feel the most underwhelmed

2249
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:42,559
Speaker 1: by would be Jalen Walker.

2250
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 3: Honestly, like I just I think I'd be more underwhelmed

2251
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 3: by like Mason Graham.

2252
01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 1: So his was Mason Graham, Colonel said Mason Graham.

2253
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

2254
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just the way that I have the like

2255
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,600
Speaker 1: the my top ten is set up like I have

2256
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,439
Speaker 1: Mason Graham with the higher grade. Like I just think

2257
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 1: Mason Graham is a better player. I don't know. I

2258
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 1: just I don't love the idea of Jalen Walker at four.

2259
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:05,639
Speaker 1: I don't love the idea of Mason Graham at for either,

2260
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 1: And I don't love the idea of gent Like. Those

2261
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:09,840
Speaker 1: are the three guys that if they took it for

2262
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 1: I would be underwhelmed. Would I be cold? Strange? Like

2263
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 1: to bring back what I said earlier, I don't think

2264
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I would have a meltdown on the air about them

2265
01:43:17,080 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: taking any under those players, But I would be.

2266
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,160
Speaker 3: Underwhelming, you know what? You know what would it would

2267
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:23,640
Speaker 3: really be for me? It's not even a player. If

2268
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:26,600
Speaker 3: they're so determined to trade down that they trade the

2269
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 3: pick for less than what it's worth just so they

2270
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 3: can trade down, that that would bother me. Be it

2271
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 3: for a couple of reason One, get what it's worth

2272
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 3: to new Ish front office, like don't set the don't

2273
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 3: set the standard that you can be had in the

2274
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 3: trade just to move like, don't don't be that team.

2275
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 3: And that tells me they don't like anybody on the board.

2276
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 3: And whoever they take it nine, they probably don't like

2277
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 3: that much. So it's not me saying don't trade down.

2278
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:53,799
Speaker 3: Let me be clear, if they get like real value,

2279
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 3: do it trade down if you get what the pick's worth.

2280
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,800
Speaker 3: If they trade down for if they go from like

2281
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 3: four to nine, four to ten, four to twelve for

2282
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 3: like a third round pick, I'd be pretty disappointed.

2283
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point. And I feel like there

2284
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:14,720
Speaker 1: is a lot of people out there that are just

2285
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:16,600
Speaker 1: trade down at all costs, Like even if it's for

2286
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 1: pennies on the dollar. No, just trade down and set

2287
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 1: that precedent. And I'm with you, it's the president's bad.

2288
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 3: And I also get the better player, agreed.

2289
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's that leveled off of a

2290
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 1: top ten. Yeah, that we're really saying that they're all

2291
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: the same player. I just think that that's oversimplifying it.

2292
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:39,080
Speaker 1: I do think there's a difference between these players.

2293
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:41,320
Speaker 3: And I think when you look at it for them specifically,

2294
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:47,240
Speaker 3: right Campbell, Membu, Jalen Walker, like how far back are you?

2295
01:44:47,439 --> 01:44:47,479
Speaker 2: Like?

2296
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Ted McMillan, Mason Graham, Tyler Warren, it

2297
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:54,240
Speaker 3: could work. I think those three it's not a full tier,

2298
01:44:54,280 --> 01:44:58,160
Speaker 3: it's like a half tier. So Hunter and Carter or

2299
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 3: tier one. I would say, Walker, Campbell, and Membu are

2300
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,280
Speaker 3: Tier two A, and then the rest of those guys

2301
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 3: are to B. So like I if you don't have like, yeah,

2302
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 3: I could be convinced to go to to B, but

2303
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 3: you got to convince me to do it. I don't.

2304
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 3: I'm not just gonna do it to do it.

2305
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm with you. And it's funny because I

2306
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 1: feel like we said that thing about nine and forty yeah,

2307
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: and then like everybody ragged on us and said, oh,

2308
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't do that, You're crazy, And then it

2309
01:45:28,720 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 1: like resurfaced when the Saints with the Derek Carr news

2310
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,040
Speaker 1: and how everybody wants this King's ransom and I was like,

2311
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 1: what happened? I thought that nine for forty was that

2312
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 1: was part that was.

2313
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:38,519
Speaker 3: Part of that take was like, if the team's moving

2314
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,439
Speaker 3: up to get a quarterback, make them pay the quarterback tax.

2315
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. All right, a couple more emails.

2316
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 3: Here, we'll get back on my future pick.

2317
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 1: We get back to the phone calls. I gotta you

2318
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: gotta be a little bit greedy. Like I'm not saying

2319
01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 1: that you want to be like crazy where you get

2320
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:53,880
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of hang ups, you know on

2321
01:45:54,040 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 1: the old phone when you're trying to make the trades.

2322
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's gonna be a little bit greedy with

2323
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,800
Speaker 1: some of these, you know, along those same lines. You know,

2324
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: just uh, Tom from Jersey was asking if you would

2325
01:46:05,240 --> 01:46:07,560
Speaker 1: roll the dice on Will Campbell you know, do you

2326
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:11,320
Speaker 1: because by trading down uh and uh and seeing if

2327
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 1: he makes it to you? And he said, you know

2328
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 1: he's not a guy that he's like running the card

2329
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: up for kind of guy, and Uh, I think where

2330
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:25,760
Speaker 1: I've come to, you know, in conclusions, still another show

2331
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: this week, And I wrote this on in my thing

2332
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: on Patriots dot Com, is do I think that He's

2333
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 1: a perennial future Hall of Fame all pro you know,

2334
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:42,320
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace, Joe Thomas like level prospect. Uh No,

2335
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:44,760
Speaker 1: But when I look at him, you know, I see

2336
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 1: a lot of Jake Matthews. I've made that comp before.

2337
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 1: I know other people have made the Bernard Raymond comp

2338
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:52,120
Speaker 1: with the Colts and Bernard Raymond the last couple of

2339
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 1: years has been like a top Tennish tackle, a left

2340
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL. I think, you know, as much

2341
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 1: as uh, you're gonna say, wow, you're saying this as

2342
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 1: corny and cliche as some of that stuff is, Like,

2343
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:06,680
Speaker 1: there's something about Will Campbell that just like his intangibles

2344
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:10,519
Speaker 1: and his character and his demeanor and just his attitude

2345
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 1: and what he's about dog that just kind of tells

2346
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 1: me that, like he's going to break through a ceiling potentially. Yeah,

2347
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm for trading down for at the right price,

2348
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: like we were just talking about in a draft like this,

2349
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:29,560
Speaker 1: But I'm not like so gung ho about it that

2350
01:47:29,680 --> 01:47:32,839
Speaker 1: I'm willing to lose out on Will Campbell for pennies

2351
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: on the dollar. It'd have to be a trade where

2352
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:38,519
Speaker 1: we all see the return and we're like, yeah, like

2353
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:39,000
Speaker 1: they had.

2354
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 3: Again, I go to first round pick, second round pick,

2355
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 3: and then depending how far down you're moving like a

2356
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 3: future top fifty pick, Yeah, somewhere in there. That that's

2357
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 3: where I'm That's where I'm settling. Like I'd obviously start higher,

2358
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 3: but that's that's ultimately I think what would get it done.

2359
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 3: I lets you moving way down like the twenties, but

2360
01:47:57,240 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 3: how far down can you move? For Campbell, it's tough.

2361
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 3: The thing that would make me nervous is Miami lurking

2362
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:05,519
Speaker 3: at thirteen. I don't think you're necessarily if you're moving

2363
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 3: back beyond thirteen, you're not gonna get them. But I

2364
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:10,600
Speaker 3: also and the Bears at tend to like those are

2365
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,320
Speaker 3: teams that it makes a lot of sense for him

2366
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 3: to go to that have ammunition to move up. So

2367
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 3: you may look at it and say, we can go

2368
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 3: back to call it eight with Carolina, right, or I'll

2369
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 3: just do nine because that's what we're doing this week.

2370
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 3: You may look at it and say, okay, there's no

2371
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 3: tackle teams between four and nine. We can move back

2372
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 3: and get them, and now, uh oh, here come the

2373
01:48:30,280 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 3: Bears up to seven, Here come the Dolphins up to

2374
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 3: eight and now you got jumped. That's what you gotta

2375
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,680
Speaker 3: be worried about. When they did the move back for

2376
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:42,320
Speaker 3: Gonzales in twenty three. The thing that they had that

2377
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,640
Speaker 3: we didn't know at the time that it's reported, they

2378
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 3: knew two of those teams weren't going to take a corner,

2379
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 3: and they knew Washington really liked Emmanuel Forbes for whatever reason.

2380
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:54,920
Speaker 3: So they they had it. But there was still the

2381
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 3: risk that somebody was gonna move up. Like there's always

2382
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 3: that risk. So that's what I worry about with Campbell.

2383
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,519
Speaker 3: I don't think realistically, were you moving down. There's a

2384
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:06,240
Speaker 3: ton of tackle teams there, the Bears and Dolphins, and

2385
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:07,880
Speaker 3: maybe there's some others too that I'm missing, but like,

2386
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:10,960
Speaker 3: there are teams lurking that can move up and jump

2387
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 3: you to take the tackle. That would be the bigger

2388
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:14,519
Speaker 3: concern for me.

2389
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Andrew and DC writes in about Will Campbell too,

2390
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 1: and he just he said that he wasn't impressed with

2391
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 1: him early on in the process. But me, Evan, you know,

2392
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:28,679
Speaker 1: gloating about Will Campbell or whatever I think he said, moting,

2393
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:32,679
Speaker 1: I don't know moning anyways about Will Campbell. He watched

2394
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 1: the tape again and he said that he sees it

2395
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 1: more of a technician now and you know, his pass blocking.

2396
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 1: But the one thing he points out about Campbell that

2397
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:45,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't see is great finishing or raw power to

2398
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,600
Speaker 1: his game, and said that he thinks that Membo and

2399
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,679
Speaker 1: Banks have that more regularly. And I actually would agree

2400
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:52,600
Speaker 1: with that, Like, I don't think Will Campbell is a

2401
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 1: true stack the pancakes kind of guy. He's more of

2402
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 1: a technician. He's more of a positional run blocker athlete,

2403
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 1: you know, and protection. I would just say that, you know,

2404
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 1: he he just plays a different style than those two guys.

2405
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:07,720
Speaker 1: Those two guys are more you know, road graders. They

2406
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,880
Speaker 1: got a bigger size and weight to them as well.

2407
01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 1: They're more blocky, you know, wide bodied type of players

2408
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:18,760
Speaker 1: than Will Campbell is. But to me, you know, it's

2409
01:50:19,600 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 1: pass blocking is the most important thing. Yeah, Like I

2410
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:24,599
Speaker 1: would put pass blocking in as the number one thing

2411
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 1: for my you know, if I'm building a team, my

2412
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 1: left tackle would it would be a very high level

2413
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 1: pass blocker first and foremost. I think protecting the quarterback

2414
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 1: and keeping the integrity of the pocket is the most

2415
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:38,680
Speaker 1: important thing that tackles do at the NFL level. So

2416
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 1: I think he's the best pass protector out of the group,

2417
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 1: and I think he has plenty of like snarl and.

2418
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:45,800
Speaker 3: Toughness to and I was gonna say, let's see what

2419
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:47,240
Speaker 3: he looks like when he comes in after having to

2420
01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 3: hear about his freaking arms from form that, yeah, some

2421
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 3: kind of edge he's playing with.

2422
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 1: Don I hear what he's saying. Though, In general, when

2423
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:55,800
Speaker 1: you watch the tape, amongst these three guys, I would

2424
01:50:55,840 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 1: say Campbell is probably the least in terms, you know,

2425
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:04,400
Speaker 1: in terms of raw power, He's probably third on the list,

2426
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 1: but it's just a difference of what you know you

2427
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 1: want in the player. And again he asks like who

2428
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: plays like that at the end of the level. And

2429
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 1: this is this reason is why I keep going back

2430
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: to the Jake Matthews comp because I don't think Jake

2431
01:51:17,240 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 1: Matthews has ever been known for being like a true

2432
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 1: road grader or a true people mover in the run game.

2433
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 1: But he's just a very technically sound, very polished left

2434
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 1: tackle that that doesn't get beat too often. And I

2435
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:33,040
Speaker 1: think that's what Campbell's gonna be. So Andrew, your your

2436
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 1: eye is not totally off. I just I don't know

2437
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:39,799
Speaker 1: if I would prioritize, you know, he says his subject

2438
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:42,919
Speaker 1: line is Campbell isn't violent, you know, And I understand

2439
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:45,880
Speaker 1: that that's that's fun, right, and you can see that

2440
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:49,479
Speaker 1: that's tangible when you watch tape of offensive Linemanaer. Guys,

2441
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 1: that finishes is fun to watch, But I don't know

2442
01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:55,200
Speaker 1: if that's necessarily the most important thing when it's all

2443
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:57,120
Speaker 1: said and done. All right, let's get back to the

2444
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 1: phones and I will wrap up the show here. Sean

2445
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 1: is in Vancouver. What's up Sean?

2446
01:52:02,640 --> 01:52:03,439
Speaker 7: After pass over?

2447
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:06,680
Speaker 1: Alex and Evan hopefully, thank you sir, you too.

2448
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 4: I have two things.

2449
01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 7: One question I have is about a wide receiver who

2450
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 7: was injured, but I've heard that he's good to go

2451
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 7: now as Tory Horton. My concern though, is is this

2452
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:23,160
Speaker 7: frame too small? And then the other question I have

2453
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 7: is is a hypothetical and what you guys would do yourself,

2454
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 7: but what you think the Patriots would do if New

2455
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:34,639
Speaker 7: Orleans decides to make a trade and offer their second

2456
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:39,760
Speaker 7: round pick with the Patriots stay and just turn it

2457
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:42,760
Speaker 7: down and draft well Campbell, like assuming.

2458
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 3: That Carter and.

2459
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 7: Hunter and Hunter are gone, or would they make the

2460
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:56,519
Speaker 7: trade and they you know, and after that, would they

2461
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:59,719
Speaker 7: just keep picked at nine to thirty eight and forty

2462
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 7: stay there or where they move around?

2463
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:01,920
Speaker 5: Right?

2464
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 6: That's it.

2465
01:53:02,439 --> 01:53:04,559
Speaker 3: I'll take it off there, thanks j Yeah, I hope

2466
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 3: they'd ask for more in that trade. I think if

2467
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 3: you end up with thirty eight and forty, especially after

2468
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:11,960
Speaker 3: moving back, you're definitely moving up. Should be What's the

2469
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 3: first question? Is Tory Horton's brain too small? Frame frame?

2470
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,360
Speaker 1: I heard brain at first too, but I was like,

2471
01:53:17,400 --> 01:53:18,560
Speaker 1: he wouldn't say that. I heard that.

2472
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:20,639
Speaker 3: Well, that was like did he did he say spring

2473
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 3: because he had a sprain ankle. You can have a

2474
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:27,000
Speaker 3: size sprain. He plays, he plays bigger than he is,

2475
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 3: and he's got some room to put muscle on. I

2476
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 3: don't think he can play. I'd have him put muscle on.

2477
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 3: I don't think his current frame is where you want

2478
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:36,760
Speaker 3: him to play, but I think his frame you can

2479
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:38,720
Speaker 3: you can change that and get him to where you

2480
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 3: need him to be.

2481
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not totally out on Tory Horren. I don't

2482
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,400
Speaker 1: hate him as as somebody that they can pick him

2483
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 1: the fourth or fifth.

2484
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 3: Round on a little bit. There's an AX for you.

2485
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:52,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I didn't like necessarily, I wasn't

2486
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:57,599
Speaker 1: wowed by I actually watched him against Travis Hunter. Yeah,

2487
01:53:58,280 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 1: and like most of his yards in that game where

2488
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 1: like shallow crossers. Like so he's another on how much

2489
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 1: twenty three did you? I think this was in twenty

2490
01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 1: three fins Travis Hunter. But look at a perfectly capable

2491
01:54:10,479 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 1: flyer and then like to your point, is a guy

2492
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 1: that was higher on the board, significantly higher or projected

2493
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:19,600
Speaker 1: to be higher and then got injured and and you know,

2494
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,360
Speaker 1: if you're looking to try to to try to do

2495
01:54:22,520 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 1: that thing, you know where you you kind of buy

2496
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:27,160
Speaker 1: low on a player in the draft, and Tory Horton

2497
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:29,519
Speaker 1: is probably that at wide receiver, Like I think he's

2498
01:54:29,560 --> 01:54:33,120
Speaker 1: probably the guy to be doing that at wide receiver.

2499
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 1: And the other thing is quickly about the Saints. Nick

2500
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,600
Speaker 1: Underhill does a great job covering the Saints. I think

2501
01:54:39,600 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 1: it's NOLA dot Football is his site, and he does

2502
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:46,560
Speaker 1: a fantastic job. One of the most plugged in guys

2503
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 1: on the Saints. And he's been reporting pretty consistently that

2504
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't see the Saints drafting Shadoor Sanders, like that

2505
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 1: they're not that's not They're they're not a Shadoor team.

2506
01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 3: Well, maybe they want to trade up for Mason Graham.

2507
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 1: Evan I I just would pump the brakes because I

2508
01:55:01,680 --> 01:55:04,040
Speaker 1: trust Nick and I trust is reporting with it. I

2509
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 1: would pump the brakes a little bit on the nine

2510
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,640
Speaker 1: to four jump for Schador.

2511
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 3: Maybe they want Mason Grimm. I've been saying, I've been

2512
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 3: putting in my mock drafts the Saints taking Mason Graham

2513
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:17,080
Speaker 3: because it's Kellen Moore trying to recreate Jalen Carter and

2514
01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 3: Milton Williams with Tyler Bursey and Mason Grim.

2515
01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 1: A very very worst version of Milton Williams and trying.

2516
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 3: Trying.

2517
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 1: I think the one thing too, about the quarterback thing.

2518
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 1: Just quickly, all these teams, the Browns, the Giants, maybe Vegas,

2519
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:40,560
Speaker 1: maybe the Jets, maybe the Saints, maybe the Steelers. It's

2520
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 1: like six teams. All of those teams are saying, we'll

2521
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 1: just get the quarterback in the second round. Yeah, not

2522
01:55:47,080 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 1: all of them can get the quarterback in the second round, right,

2523
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 1: Like someone's gonna have like gonna be lose out on

2524
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:55,920
Speaker 1: the musical chairs if every single team is targeting Jackson

2525
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,560
Speaker 1: Dart and Jalen Milroe, and there's five teams that are

2526
01:55:58,600 --> 01:56:01,160
Speaker 1: going after two players and three teams are gonna be

2527
01:56:01,240 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 1: left without it.

2528
01:56:02,120 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 3: Well, the Raiders will get will happen. So what could

2529
01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 3: end up happening is we could see a run on

2530
01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 3: quarterbacks late in the first round. Where do you get

2531
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 3: the Browns and these teams trying to trade up from

2532
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:17,880
Speaker 3: the early thirties, and that would impact the Patriots. The

2533
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 3: question is in what way? On one hand, might make

2534
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 3: it more expensive to trade up, because if you're trying

2535
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:25,560
Speaker 3: to move up to get a tackle and these teams

2536
01:56:25,600 --> 01:56:27,360
Speaker 3: are trying to move up to get a quarterback, they're

2537
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,680
Speaker 3: gonna offer more. And if there's a team in their

2538
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 3: dead set on taking a tackle and you can't jump them,

2539
01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 3: that makes it tough. Now, the flip side is if

2540
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:39,720
Speaker 3: maybe those teams aren't set, that's gonna push a tackle

2541
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:44,200
Speaker 3: or a receiver down to thirty eight. So maybe so

2542
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:46,080
Speaker 3: it'll be interesting. But if you need a tackle, you

2543
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:47,640
Speaker 3: need to tackle, it'll be interesting to see how that

2544
01:56:47,720 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 3: plays out. I think we're gonna see a lot of

2545
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 3: trades in the back half of this first round. I

2546
01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 3: don't think you're gonna see a ton at the top

2547
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 3: once we get into the twenties, especially like if the

2548
01:56:55,480 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 3: Steelers twenty one, right, so if the Steelers take a quarterback, yeah,

2549
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:03,920
Speaker 3: and the Browns and Giants don't, right, well, now here

2550
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:06,080
Speaker 3: cut the Browns and Giants start trying to move up,

2551
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:08,440
Speaker 3: and that's the range you're talking about the Patriots trying

2552
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:11,720
Speaker 3: to trade into for Josh Connerley and maybe Arianta or Yeah.

2553
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 1: It's a great point because I there's a lot of

2554
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:16,520
Speaker 1: reporting out there about this Shador visit to the Giants,

2555
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:18,480
Speaker 1: and there's another thing I want to get to in

2556
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:21,280
Speaker 1: terms of news, but one second on this just there's

2557
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Speaker 1: a lot of reporting out there and now it's kind

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01:57:23,480 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 1: of getting walked back about this Chador one last private workout.

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01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:30,040
Speaker 1: I guess they have a one last private workout with

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Speaker 1: the entire top of the quarterback class, like the Giants

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01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. So they're going to Chadoor today, They're

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01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 1: going to Jaln Milroe on Friday or maybe it's Thursday, Friday, Saturday,

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01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 1: and they're going to Tyler Schuck at some point.

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Speaker 3: You see that combine throw that went out there from.

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Speaker 1: So they're they're doing they were planning on doing this

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01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 1: with all the quarterbacks. So this is not a unique

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01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:56,280
Speaker 1: to Chador thing. But some of the reporting out of

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01:57:56,360 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 1: the Shador stuff is that they might actually be looking

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01:58:00,040 --> 01:58:02,120
Speaker 1: at Shador at the top of the second round, not

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01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 1: at the top of the first round. So all these teams,

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01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:08,840
Speaker 1: the Browns, the Giants, uh, those teams that are have

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01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:12,560
Speaker 1: been whispered to be connected to Shador Sanders might be

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01:58:12,640 --> 01:58:14,800
Speaker 1: looking at Shador standers at the top of the second round.

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01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:18,120
Speaker 1: But the problem with that is, I don't think Shador

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01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:21,120
Speaker 1: Sanders is getting past the Steelers at twenty one. So

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01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:25,960
Speaker 1: if you don't somehow jump Pittsburgh at twenty one, if

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01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,280
Speaker 1: you're the Browns, are you're the Giants, you're not getting

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01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 1: Shador in my opinion. So it's just a weird thing.

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01:58:32,280 --> 01:58:34,400
Speaker 1: Like it's a I don't really like Chador is gonna

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01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 1: go higher than thirty three or thirty four. I think

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01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: he's not gonna say a round, right, So like at

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01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:43,120
Speaker 1: some point, you know, the slide's gonna stop, right, And

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01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 1: I feel like twenty one with Pittsburgh's to stop. So

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01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,360
Speaker 1: that leaves them with you know, Milroe Dart Howard.

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01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:51,040
Speaker 3: You know that Pittsburgh gets nervous and tries to move

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01:58:51,120 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 3: up in the middle of the first.

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Speaker 1: Okay, really quickly. Then we'll take this last call and

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01:58:55,120 --> 01:58:57,800
Speaker 1: we'll we'll end it. This is a question from Matt

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01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:01,880
Speaker 1: in the OC on tja Oh. I guess is in

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01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:04,120
Speaker 1: a contract dispute. I don't guess. You know, this is

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01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:07,600
Speaker 1: what we're here in reports of this. TJ. Watt is

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01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:11,320
Speaker 1: in a contract dispute with Pittsburgh. It seems like maybe

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01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:13,760
Speaker 1: a trade would be in order. Are you in or

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01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:14,840
Speaker 1: out on TJ Watt?

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01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:16,720
Speaker 3: I mean, what am I trading? I take the player's

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01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:18,480
Speaker 3: a hell of a player. Yeah, I don't think he's

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01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:20,080
Speaker 3: getting moved, but great player.

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01:59:20,200 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 1: Yes, in Yeah, I'd definitely be in. But he's he's

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01:59:23,080 --> 01:59:25,200
Speaker 1: thirty thirty one years old. Like, I'm not trading in

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01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:25,920
Speaker 1: the farm for TJ.

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01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:29,800
Speaker 3: Wait. I guess uh is Palazola right from Pim Pazzolo,

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01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,480
Speaker 3: Steve Palasola round pick set a third round pick?

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01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:36,080
Speaker 3: What could be more poetic than trading the Matthew Judon pick. Now,

2605
01:59:36,120 --> 01:59:37,680
Speaker 3: they probably asked for sixty nine and I'd give it

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01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:39,680
Speaker 3: to them. Yeah, but if you can get a third

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01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:42,200
Speaker 3: round pick, I might even do like second third pick swap.

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01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:44,120
Speaker 3: I don't know what their third round pick is in Pittsburgh,

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01:59:44,200 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 3: but thirty eight for what and whatever their third is?

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01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:50,520
Speaker 1: Can I just why do we have to make it

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01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:53,320
Speaker 1: so complicated like we do all these trades now where

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01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 1: it's like every time we talk about trades, and I'm

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01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:57,920
Speaker 1: not just picking on you, I'm picking on everybody. Every

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01:59:57,960 --> 01:59:59,720
Speaker 1: time we do these trades. It's gotta be like, well,

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01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 1: the Ariots get their second round pick, their fifth round pick,

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02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:06,240
Speaker 1: their seventh round pick twenty twenty nine, and then this

2617
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:07,520
Speaker 1: team gets this pick, and.

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02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:09,160
Speaker 3: Because that's how these trades happen.

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02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:10,960
Speaker 1: Like what we just say, like the value is like

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02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:13,920
Speaker 1: a third round pick, that's it. Can we can we

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02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:16,440
Speaker 1: just not get all complicated about it?

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02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:17,280
Speaker 3: Sorry?

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02:00:17,440 --> 02:00:21,120
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you? Uh what I would probably trade a

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02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:23,360
Speaker 1: third round pick for TJ. Watt, Yes, but I wouldn't

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02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:25,200
Speaker 1: give up much more. And I know that sounds crazy,

2626
02:00:25,560 --> 02:00:28,200
Speaker 1: but like just the value of the player, the age

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02:00:28,280 --> 02:00:30,240
Speaker 1: of the contract, like that's the world now.

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02:00:30,440 --> 02:00:32,600
Speaker 3: So this is so and then this is where that

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02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:35,920
Speaker 3: kind of well, let's make it complicated comes from. If

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02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,640
Speaker 3: the Steelers are making that trade, they're trying to get

2631
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:40,640
Speaker 3: tools to make sure they can move up if they

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02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:43,920
Speaker 3: need to. And get your door. Yeah, quarterback, right, thirty

2633
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:48,840
Speaker 3: eight helps them significantly more than sixty nine does. So

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02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:51,520
Speaker 3: that's where Okay, they're gonna want thirty eight, but you

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02:00:51,560 --> 02:00:53,760
Speaker 3: don't want to give up that much. Okay, fun, you

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02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:56,560
Speaker 3: give up thirty eight, but you get that third back.

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02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:58,760
Speaker 3: Now you pair two of those thirds and move back

2638
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:00,960
Speaker 3: up in the second. You're back where you need to be. Well,

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02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:03,800
Speaker 3: why wouldn't Pittsburgh just make the trade themselves? Because you're

2640
02:01:03,840 --> 02:01:05,400
Speaker 3: helping them out and that's part of the deal. You're

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02:01:05,400 --> 02:01:06,280
Speaker 3: making it easier for them.

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Speaker 1: All right, John is in the high on the highway,

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02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:10,920
Speaker 1: and so cow John, are you on the ten?

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02:01:11,080 --> 02:01:11,120
Speaker 6: Like?

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02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:12,480
Speaker 1: Which highway are we talking about?

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02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:14,720
Speaker 3: With the LA stuff? Give it a break.

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02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:16,360
Speaker 7: I'm on the five on.

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02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:19,080
Speaker 1: The five, Yeah, I was close.

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Speaker 8: Hey, what's going on, guys?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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02:01:23,160 --> 02:01:25,360
Speaker 8: I just got a quick comment about Will Campbell.

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02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:26,200
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 8: I think that we very well have won a couple

2654
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:33,000
Speaker 8: more games this year, like that Colts game and Miami

2655
02:01:33,080 --> 02:01:35,480
Speaker 8: without two, we could have easily been picking seven, eight,

2656
02:01:35,640 --> 02:01:38,600
Speaker 8: nine in this draft, and I think we'd be splamming

2657
02:01:38,680 --> 02:01:41,120
Speaker 8: our fits against the table hoping Will Campbell fell to

2658
02:01:41,240 --> 02:01:44,800
Speaker 8: us there. Yes, So I think that I think that

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02:01:45,120 --> 02:01:47,960
Speaker 8: now that we're picking four. All these Pats fans are

2660
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:51,640
Speaker 8: turned off by Will Campbell. But you know, I think

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02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:54,200
Speaker 8: it's gonna be our first pick anyway, with around the

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02:01:54,240 --> 02:01:56,240
Speaker 8: same talent pool you'd get at seven, eight nine, So

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Speaker 8: I think, uh yeah, I thought, yeah.

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Speaker 1: John, great call, great way.

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Speaker 3: It seems too easy, It seems too good to be true.

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Speaker 1: Is that part of the hate for Will Campbell? It's

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02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:08,320
Speaker 1: just too obvious I've made, I've made. I've said this

2668
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Speaker 1: take a million times. I'll say it one more time

2669
02:02:10,520 --> 02:02:13,040
Speaker 1: before the end of the draft, and I'm sure at

2670
02:02:13,160 --> 02:02:16,880
Speaker 1: least once. But this is one of those drafts where

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02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:19,920
Speaker 1: there's not a big talent gap. Once you get past

2672
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:22,640
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter and Abdul Carter. There's a little bit of

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02:02:22,680 --> 02:02:24,360
Speaker 1: a drop off there in town and it kind of

2674
02:02:24,440 --> 02:02:27,200
Speaker 1: levels off at the end of the day where the

2675
02:02:27,240 --> 02:02:32,040
Speaker 1: player plays left tackle versus running back, versus tight end.

2676
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 1: When you have Hunter Henry on the roster, you are

2677
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:38,720
Speaker 1: going to probably see a lot of teams that try

2678
02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,720
Speaker 1: to marry up need with best player available, right, They're

2679
02:02:41,760 --> 02:02:44,880
Speaker 1: gonna say these guys are our best players available. They're

2680
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:47,760
Speaker 1: all kind of similarly graded. Where are holes and the

2681
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:51,320
Speaker 1: Patriots have a giant void of left tackle. Will Campbell's

2682
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:53,680
Speaker 1: the best left tackle on the board. And that's why

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02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:56,640
Speaker 1: at this point, I feel like everybody, whether they are

2684
02:02:56,760 --> 02:02:58,600
Speaker 1: like us that have been on board pretty much the

2685
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Speaker 1: whole time on Will Campbell, or they're now coping and

2686
02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:03,840
Speaker 1: just saying it's gonna be Will Campbell. So let's just

2687
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:07,080
Speaker 1: all accept the fact that it's going to be Will Campbell.

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02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:10,200
Speaker 1: We're all there. We're all there now because every mock

2689
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:12,680
Speaker 1: draft I read now is the Patriots taking Will Campbell.

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Speaker 1: We have reached the acceptance stage.

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Speaker 3: Finally, of the week the draft used to be two

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Speaker 3: weeks earlier. They should like a whole week in here.

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Speaker 1: We don't need I have an LA related take, but

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