Speaker 1: What's that my bed? It's spooky, jooky.
Speaker 2: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait
Speaker 2: a minute, hell, I'm most I lost amandas p Hey boo,
Speaker 2: it's me Raz.
Speaker 3: I've got my best friend Sam Pancake on the show today.
Speaker 3: He's an actor comedian, constantly popping up on TV. He's
Speaker 3: on my parents' favorite TV show called A Million Little Things,
Speaker 3: which is on ABC. And when we recorded this, my
Speaker 3: parents happened to be in town, so they were there
Speaker 3: and they brought my dog and it was a full
Speaker 3: family affair. And actually we did it on on camera
Speaker 3: in the studio, so it will be on YouTube, and
Speaker 3: so the link to that can be found in the
Speaker 3: description of this episode. I'll also be posting that on
Speaker 3: my Instagram, which is at raz Hernandez, so you could
Speaker 3: find it that way. I got all these messages after
Speaker 3: last week's episode with Kara Connors. Was I was actually shocked.
Speaker 3: It wasn't what I thought I was gonna get. I
Speaker 3: thought I was gonna be getting Brown Pucy messages. No,
Speaker 3: I got messages about well, actually I did get a
Speaker 3: couple of those, but I got messages about what Kara
Speaker 3: was talking about with her girlfriend where they they both
Speaker 3: felt physical pain. If you don't know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 3: go back and listen to last week's episode. But it's
Speaker 3: an interesting thing, and it's very similar to I mean,
Speaker 3: twins report that kind of a thing, and I just
Speaker 3: really want to look more into that phenomena. I've heard
Speaker 3: it before. I don't know if I've ever had anyone
Speaker 3: talk about it.
Speaker 2: On the show.
Speaker 3: If you've had these experiences, send them to me. I'm
Speaker 3: so fascinated by this. I don't exactly know the proper
Speaker 3: term for it. There has to be.
Speaker 2: Some nerdy paranormal.
Speaker 3: Parapsychology type term for when two people can feel each
Speaker 3: other's physical pain. I'm sure I know what it is
Speaker 3: somewhere one of these books I got. But anyway, I've
Speaker 3: just been getting really into the weird paranormal stuff beyond
Speaker 3: just ghosts. The ghosts are always my favorite, but I've
Speaker 3: been listening to the audio book of the Mothman Prophecies,
Speaker 3: the original book John Keel, and looking into his research
Speaker 3: more and that shit gets so weird and I believe
Speaker 3: it all and I love it. And so I got
Speaker 3: me an audible account and said, I've been listening to
Speaker 3: it as I drive at nighttime and I'm terrified. I
Speaker 3: highly recommend if you've never listened to it. But anyway,
Speaker 3: let's just get into this episode. Me and Sam being kooky.
Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 3: Wayspatreon dot com slash rawls, driz Feles link in the
Speaker 3: description for a weekly episode this week video all that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. Anyway, here's me talking to you, Sam Pancake,
Speaker 3: on with the show.
Speaker 2: You guys.
Speaker 3: I'm joined by my best friend, Sam Pancake.
Speaker 1: Hello, I'm now been rendered death from your announcement. It
Speaker 1: came in a loud and clear sister.
Speaker 2: Hi baby, Hi. I dodn't want to put labels on it,
Speaker 2: but we are very close friends.
Speaker 1: Label it, don't answer that.
Speaker 3: I've got The Velassic Stork has joined me today to
Speaker 3: talk about his paranormal encounters.
Speaker 1: I was in a real it was a real big deal.
Speaker 1: It was a real.
Speaker 2: I was just in the stork nest.
Speaker 1: I was just at the Pittsburgh Heines Museum last month.
Speaker 1: I told you about that when and I saw I
Speaker 1: learned so much about pickles.
Speaker 2: Heines like a ketchup museum.
Speaker 1: Heines is original. Yeah, Heinz started in Pittsburgh and so
Speaker 1: they had this giant museum that is Pittsburgh and Hein's history.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we got on this one, anyway,
Speaker 1: I learned a lot about pickles and ketsup.
Speaker 3: Well, something else that you did on this trip was
Speaker 3: you went to a very iconic haunted place.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes I did. Well, Hi everyone, I'm Sandpancake And.
Speaker 3: I was just trying to do like what they like,
Speaker 3: Like Jay Leno, I heard you went to a haunted
Speaker 3: place like I didn't.
Speaker 1: What if I was just no, no, you heard wrong,
Speaker 1: you heard wrong? Goodbye, good night, Jay. Yes, I'm from
Speaker 1: West Virginia and in May my older I have five siblings,
Speaker 1: and my older sister Anne and I did like this
Speaker 1: sentimental journey thing through all the towns that were important
Speaker 1: to us so that we lived in growing up. And
Speaker 1: on the way between Morgan Hut, West Virginia, where we
Speaker 1: went to college and she's a professor in Somersville, West Virginia,
Speaker 1: where we lived when we were very young, we stopped
Speaker 1: at Weston, West Virginia, which is where the State Mental Health,
Speaker 1: the State Mental you know, what do we say these days.
Speaker 3: Well not what they used to say, which is lunatic asylum.
Speaker 1: Literally all the merch said Transatlantic a lunatic asylum. It
Speaker 1: was alleghany, trans alleghany, thank you. I mean, it's my mountains.
Speaker 1: And I forgot that. That's what it was. Five hours
Speaker 1: of sleep, Good luck everyone, that's me. They're building a
Speaker 1: fence next to my bedroom. Anyway, I it's giant. You
Speaker 1: knew more about it, I think than I did. I
Speaker 1: knew growing up that like the in West Virginia in
Speaker 1: the twentieth century, shorthand for the looney bin and I,
Speaker 1: you know, and these are words we don't use anymore,
Speaker 1: these terms. Was Weston, Like I remember my mother saying
Speaker 1: things like, if that happens around here one more time,
Speaker 1: you're gonna put me in a car and take me
Speaker 1: to Weston. And Weston just meant the metal hospital, and.
Speaker 2: It was operating at that time.
Speaker 1: It was operating at that time. I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 1: didn't do my research before I got here today, but
Speaker 1: it you know, and now.
Speaker 2: It's we don't do research here.
Speaker 1: Why I just bother.
Speaker 2: We just assume welcome to Everything's haunted.
Speaker 1: Everything's haunted. It They have this amazing the tours we
Speaker 1: didn't go on because it was kind of an unscheduled stop.
Speaker 1: My sister was like, hey, have you seen Weston and lately?
Speaker 1: Like it's the town, but like that was always like
Speaker 1: I said, shorthand for the actual institution, this giant gothic
Speaker 1: building that looks like I mean, if it were closer
Speaker 1: to New York or LA, I'm sure they would film
Speaker 1: in it more often because it is classic. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the women working there all had these like seventies white
Speaker 1: nurses uniforms on, and they have where they go, Well,
Speaker 1: the I purchased a magnet for you and a sticker
Speaker 1: from a ghost.
Speaker 2: If that's the case they charged you.
Speaker 1: I watched her sitting there stalking mountain dew into the coolers,
Speaker 1: So she's a ghost that lacks the SODI pop if
Speaker 1: she's a ghost. Yes, Uh, we didn't do it because
Speaker 1: we're like, oh heck, we didn't realize it was open,
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize my sister might have like six
Speaker 1: different tours.
Speaker 2: You can take the lean into it.
Speaker 1: They lean into it to a degree that some of
Speaker 1: it is questionably like playing a little fast and loose
Speaker 1: with the severity of like mental illness and stuff. And
Speaker 1: there were some acknowledgments around that, like you know this
Speaker 1: is you know, mental health awareness and dah da da dah.
Speaker 1: But then also some of the stuff was a little
Speaker 1: bit like I went cuckoo at the.
Speaker 2: Transit like a merge in the store.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit. So anyway I went there. It's
Speaker 1: a very intimidating, foreboding building. And that whole little town
Speaker 1: of Western which is a really cute little town, like
Speaker 1: a lot of these West Virginia towns are these adorable
Speaker 1: little towns. The buildings from the eighteen hundreds and nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: like early nineteen hundreds built around some giant you know castle,
Speaker 1: and this case, you know, this mental asylum. So I yes,
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be very haunted, as you told me.
Speaker 1: And I know I'm not going to get into the
Speaker 1: specific because the didn't ask them, but I know a
Speaker 1: family member was there and felt a one time at
Speaker 1: one point and felt a very severe like outside the place,
Speaker 1: just like hit with all this energy, this like sad,
Speaker 1: scary energy. And the thing that they did that we
Speaker 1: did because we were able to. My sister and I
Speaker 1: went in the gift shop and we went a little
Speaker 1: bit down a hall and this this large lady in
Speaker 1: white nurse's uniform says excuse me, how y'all doing? And
Speaker 1: we're like hey, hi, She's like, can I help you?
Speaker 1: And I was like, we were like just nosing around.
Speaker 1: They're like, dun't go past that stairwell. So we didn't
Speaker 1: go past that stairwell. So I didn't get to see
Speaker 1: a lot of it.
Speaker 2: How passed the starewell?
Speaker 1: The tour the part you have start paying for. Oh yeah, so,
Speaker 1: which we weren't prepared to do. But I do want
Speaker 1: to go back. Maybe you'll come with me and we'll
Speaker 1: go there sometimes, yes, but they're in some of the
Speaker 1: rooms you can go into and read about stuff they had,
Speaker 1: Like you know, that was a place where men who
Speaker 1: were tired of their wives would label them hysterical and
Speaker 1: have them shipped away so they could had their mistresses
Speaker 1: or their second wives. There was a lot of like
Speaker 1: a lot of it was just keeping women down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize the degree to which that was true.
Speaker 2: I mean, it gets dark when you look into the
Speaker 2: history of those kinds of places. Yeah, a lot of
Speaker 2: LGBTQ people.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing I was gonna say, absolutely that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, I went.
Speaker 3: There, Well, West Virginia. Is there's some freaky shit going
Speaker 3: down in West Virginia, because there's also your mortal enemy,
Speaker 3: the other most famous person from West Virginiat's.
Speaker 2: Say her name, Mothman.
Speaker 1: Damn it, you said her name. Yeah, I just weirdly,
Speaker 1: I've been reading up a lot more or listening to
Speaker 1: podcasts more on the Mothman recently, because growing up in
Speaker 1: the seventies you didn't hear that much about it, even
Speaker 1: though that was after the Big Spring, the Big bridge
Speaker 1: accident in Point Pleasant.
Speaker 2: Like the sixties was like when she really burst ont.
Speaker 1: And then I didn't. I weirdly didn't even see that
Speaker 1: movie The Mosman Prophecies until because I had this fear
Speaker 1: about watching movies set in or around West Virginia if
Speaker 1: all the details they get wrong and the terrible accents
Speaker 1: that some actors have used that are just embarrassing and awful,
Speaker 1: so I sometimes avoid that kind of thing. However, I
Speaker 1: finally watched it. It's genuinely scary as hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize the degree to which, And then I
Speaker 1: listened to more different podcasts like Astonishing Legends and stuff
Speaker 1: about all the sightings. It wasn't I remember growing up
Speaker 1: thinking about the bridge thing, and it was just like
Speaker 1: the Mofman appeared and then the bridge filled down on
Speaker 1: Christmas Eve, which is so terrible, but it was so
Speaker 1: much more than that and all that weird, Like it's
Speaker 1: not just a figure that appears scarily in the woods
Speaker 1: or wherever, but it like it's somewhere above us, looking
Speaker 1: down on us, knowing past, present and future, knowing different
Speaker 1: multi verses. There's so much there that kind of is
Speaker 1: more than my time.
Speaker 2: I man can And she's still around. People are seeing her.
Speaker 3: I mean it's been a minute since I paid attention,
Speaker 3: but she was in Chicago like two years ago. People
Speaker 3: were seeing her all over the place.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she's not just West Virginia. She's everywhere. Yeah
Speaker 1: she they I don't know, scary. I did get a
Speaker 1: really cool Mothman patch that I put on that don't
Speaker 1: say what the backpacks from the backpack I told you
Speaker 1: about that I wanted to cover something up on the backpack.
Speaker 2: I managed to put a mothmaan pack yes.
Speaker 1: And ironed it on in my hotel room in Huntington,
Speaker 1: West Virginia. Fit perfectly. So she's with me right now,
Speaker 1: I mean, not in the room, but like she's on
Speaker 1: my backpack?
Speaker 2: Yes? Have you ever heard of the hex the hexham heads?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Wait what, well, it's spelled hex ham heads. So I
Speaker 3: always hit I always hit it hard?
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: Hex is it? Would you say hex Ham or Hexham?
Speaker 1: Is it the name of a town?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an England.
Speaker 1: They would say Hexham in England, Hexham, Hexham.
Speaker 2: Hex Ham put a hex on us, slab of ham.
Speaker 1: They do it. I don't the calories hexay.
Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you a story. This takes place
Speaker 3: in Hexham, England in nineteen seventy two. We're talking about
Speaker 3: two brothers named Leslie and Colin Robson, which I love
Speaker 3: a male Leslie.
Speaker 2: I just there's something about that name.
Speaker 3: So they're digging around their family garden and they find
Speaker 3: two little heads poking out. But when I say two
Speaker 3: little heads, I'm talking like the size of like a
Speaker 3: tennis ball in orange.
Speaker 2: Like these two little heads.
Speaker 3: Gulls stone Okay not, they weren't like from a human head.
Speaker 3: So they find these two little stone heads and one
Speaker 3: of them looks like it's more male. One of them
Speaker 3: looks more female. The male one has like little lines
Speaker 3: carved into its head for like hair, and then some
Speaker 3: reports say that the women, the female one has like
Speaker 3: long hair kind.
Speaker 1: Of stone or wood.
Speaker 3: There's stone, there's like little bits of quartz crystal in it,
Speaker 3: so it's a little bit shiny, like a little sparkled
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 2: But it's just like a little stone. Two little heads.
Speaker 1: It just they disappeared.
Speaker 2: They were just in the garden.
Speaker 1: God, I've never heard this story, and I thought i'd
Speaker 1: heard them all keep going.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, well you're in for it, because this one
Speaker 3: gets weird. So it appeared that they're carved, you know,
Speaker 3: little faces into these stones, and they take them inside.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, look, everybody, we found these little heads
Speaker 3: and whatever. They put their new little friends in their home.
Speaker 3: They go to bed that night, they wake up and
Speaker 3: the heads are like turned, like what year is this
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy two? Oh my god, some reports say seventy one.
Speaker 3: It doesn't really matter. The heads are like look, the
Speaker 3: way that they describe it is like the heads wanted
Speaker 3: to see more of the room. Oh, in the middle
Speaker 3: of the night, like they kind of had turned their heads.
Speaker 1: So they're just heads. They're not attached to a little bit,
Speaker 1: just hats.
Speaker 3: They did have like a little bit of stone that
Speaker 3: looks like a neck a little bit, so making you
Speaker 3: assume maybe there was a body attached to them.
Speaker 2: At one point. But at this point there's just the
Speaker 2: two heads. I'm listening, Okay.
Speaker 3: So the heads start to you know, roll around, throw
Speaker 3: themselves around, some weird poltergeisty type stuff. The parents are
Speaker 3: reporting that they keep having headaches. Broken glass is found
Speaker 3: in their two sisters beds at night on multiple occasions.
Speaker 3: So the two sisters wake up with glass, broken glass
Speaker 3: in their bed, and they.
Speaker 1: Know it wasn't them. They weren't sneaking breads of gins?
Speaker 1: Are they children?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, two little girls broken glass in their bed.
Speaker 3: Okay, Which that's that's terrifying.
Speaker 2: What's the worst thing you've ever woken up in your bed?
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you on the air.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you once I'm back in my drinking days.
Speaker 3: I took it as a challenge to get a fifty
Speaker 3: piece chicken McNugget.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I remember this story.
Speaker 2: This is good.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I woke up the next day with barbecue sauce,
Speaker 3: chicken bits and grease all over me.
Speaker 1: Did you wake up for a second and think it
Speaker 1: was blood and then scream and then realize taste him.
Speaker 2: Barbecue sly it's delicious?
Speaker 1: Or is there did a man sleepover who has barbecue
Speaker 1: sauce that has blood?
Speaker 2: Sounds like a dream.
Speaker 1: I have woken up to some people that I have
Speaker 1: screamed out loud and begged Heaven to make disappear somehow
Speaker 1: and it didn't work.
Speaker 2: Is that count that counts?
Speaker 3: I'll count judges at ten across the board. So one
Speaker 3: of the boys feels his hair being pulled in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night, and they're also saying that the
Speaker 3: garden where they found these heads is glowing like in
Speaker 3: that area like.
Speaker 2: This shit is weird. It gets weirder though, God. So
Speaker 2: one night their mother.
Speaker 3: Reports that she sees a half man, half goat looking
Speaker 3: creature inside of the house, and apparently their neighbor is
Speaker 3: seeing a half sheep, half man on all fours in
Speaker 3: her bedroom and then it walked down the stairs and
Speaker 3: out the front door.
Speaker 2: I've heard of I've heard of puppy play.
Speaker 3: I've heard of you know, I've heard of kind of
Speaker 3: part dog, part man. I've never heard of sheep play.
Speaker 2: It's bad our goat play.
Speaker 1: That joke that was good.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 2: Wow, someone grew up on a farm.
Speaker 3: Uh e I E I, Oh no, you'd assume that
Speaker 3: it wasn't a.
Speaker 1: Working farm anyway.
Speaker 3: Continue you'd assume that the body is going to be
Speaker 3: like a goat head with like a minotaur or a
Speaker 3: which is how they described it. But I also every
Speaker 3: time I hear this kind of thing, I'm like, but
Speaker 3: what if it was just like some dudes head on, like.
Speaker 2: Some goat body.
Speaker 1: So I'm named Frank and just some guys like clop
Speaker 1: clop clop, clop clop clop clop around my hoofs. They're
Speaker 1: clothing make me the devil.
Speaker 3: Remember that time I'm on a road trip, we passed
Speaker 3: by a cow farm and all we did was make
Speaker 3: jokes about cows and we were I just remember, I
Speaker 3: just remember one of them was going, oh honey, I
Speaker 3: got the best calves in town.
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about my Youngin's.
Speaker 1: Terrible. We couldn't stop, and I think it's what inspired
Speaker 1: us to do a podcast. We're like, every time, we're
Speaker 1: gonna do bad jokes to on the podcast, and we
Speaker 1: didn't do that part.
Speaker 2: They didn't do that.
Speaker 1: God, I think I wrote them to do somewhere because
Speaker 1: we were particularly inspired.
Speaker 3: But okay, so back to the goat man and the
Speaker 3: heads in the garden. So they're kind of like living
Speaker 3: in like a duplex situation and their neighbors are starting
Speaker 3: to have shit getting thrown around. Of course, they got
Speaker 3: the sheep man walking around, which I'm picturing them knocking
Speaker 3: on the door like.
Speaker 2: Hey, can you explain?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah that or it's like, hey, my little stoneheads
Speaker 3: are missing out of the garden. So news outlets start
Speaker 3: reporting about it and scientists are looking into it.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, you know what, I'll show you a picture.
Speaker 1: To show me a picture, here's.
Speaker 2: The two boys with one of the heads.
Speaker 1: Holy crap, it looks like it almost could be a
Speaker 1: shrunken head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're like stone myth of.
Speaker 1: The evil heads. Oh my god, how do I not
Speaker 1: know this? I live for this shit myth myth, evil
Speaker 1: myth myth. I'm just just what I think about myth head.
Speaker 2: It's not they're not cute.
Speaker 1: No, they're they're genuinely creepy. They're off putting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One it's kind of a classic witch mask face is
Speaker 1: one of them? That's one of them. That's the female one,
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and the man looks extremely depressed to homicidal.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: So scientific are starting to look into it as it's
Speaker 3: gaining traction, and they start to think, you know, it's
Speaker 3: probably something like iron age at least over a thousand
Speaker 3: years old for sure. And one of the leading theories
Speaker 3: was that it was used in Celtic head rituals, and
Speaker 3: so a lot of experts are examining it. But there's
Speaker 3: an expert in Celtic artifacts named doctor Annie Ross. And
Speaker 3: doctor Annie Ross she got the heads from the family
Speaker 3: and she brings them to her house and she is
Speaker 3: a doctor. She's very credible. She says that she sees
Speaker 3: a half man half wolf in her house.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And on a separate occasion, her daughter sees it too.
Speaker 1: I wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's the same creature and they all
Speaker 1: interpreting it differently, just you know, either beholder or if
Speaker 1: it is indeed a period different.
Speaker 3: You know, what's really weird is that Hexham, the same
Speaker 3: town before that, like early nineteen hundreds had a wolf
Speaker 3: that was destroying livestock.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think I've heard about this one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I've heard podcasts and it's like a giant wolf
Speaker 1: almost like a well.
Speaker 2: There was like one that got loose from a zoo.
Speaker 3: Like there's like all these weird theories, but because they're
Speaker 3: like why would that normally means.
Speaker 1: Your town's name from Hexham to.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it does have hex and you might as
Speaker 2: well call.
Speaker 1: Your you know jenk Sally or you know, bad luck
Speaker 1: by you.
Speaker 2: It's not good bad luck by you.
Speaker 1: Where I met my last boyfriend?
Speaker 2: Oh is he doing?
Speaker 1: Why did they say Vaudeville is dead when I'm very much,
Speaker 1: very much alive perform in podcast.
Speaker 3: So there's a man named Desmond Craggy Sure, who I
Speaker 3: believe was a previous owner of this home. He comes
Speaker 3: forward after all the news is going around and he's
Speaker 3: laughing about it and he's like, oh my god, you
Speaker 3: guys are ridiculous. I made those from my daughter in
Speaker 3: the fifties. He explains how he did it. He you know,
Speaker 3: he carved them out of mortar and stone and water,
Speaker 3: and he actually recreated one and it was inspected by
Speaker 3: professionals and they're.
Speaker 2: Like this ain't it doesn't go Oh really no, because you.
Speaker 1: Could just not you could test the original ones and
Speaker 1: see what you can carbon date them.
Speaker 2: Right, and they were like, no, these ones looked like
Speaker 2: they were molded. His were carved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those that you showed me look molded. Yeah, from
Speaker 1: what I little.
Speaker 3: So it seems like that kind of got dismissed. However,
Speaker 3: that so doesn't explain the wolfman's and the you know,
Speaker 3: lamb man's and the whatever, not at all. So he
Speaker 3: said that he actually made three of them, so one
Speaker 3: of them was missing, but he was very like, I
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 2: I did it. Which if you look at these pictures, girl,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be bragging.
Speaker 1: It's not no, no, no, no, it's just you know, it
Speaker 1: looks like something from the Iron Age.
Speaker 3: It's not good craftsmanship. I wouldn't be like setting up
Speaker 3: a thing at a flea market.
Speaker 1: Just one of tension. He wanted to sell more of them.
Speaker 1: I think it's I smell that behind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't know. So he says he made
Speaker 2: him for his daughter whatever.
Speaker 1: So they got through a picture of her. She's literally
Speaker 1: half sheep, half woman. She's like, what about it? Well about.
Speaker 2: Ohm a devil goo.
Speaker 1: I apologize to you England.
Speaker 2: I apologize to any half sheep half women that might
Speaker 2: be listening today.
Speaker 1: Well you please forgive me, Oh, we're.
Speaker 3: Not trying to be this kind of show. We're trying
Speaker 3: to be Hygebrow.
Speaker 1: Made the mistake of hiring, hiring.
Speaker 3: Hiring, Yeah, I will be paying you in these two
Speaker 3: heads I've found in my garden. So they start like,
Speaker 3: you know, tossing them around to different scientists and different
Speaker 3: museums and world renowned leaders are like, you know, researching
Speaker 3: this stuff.
Speaker 2: Currently, no one knows where they're at.
Speaker 1: Oh, well that shit disappears, you know, you know, that goes.
Speaker 1: It's just up and disappears. They've been missing for They
Speaker 1: just appeared right in the sky's yard. Yeah, they just
Speaker 1: like appeared one day. It wasn't like there was a
Speaker 1: storm and the flood, the water wash the thing.
Speaker 2: They they don't know. So one of these days they're
Speaker 2: going to pop back up.
Speaker 1: Not in my well, they're digging a hole in my backyard. Now,
Speaker 1: who knows it's going to come out.
Speaker 2: I would love that.
Speaker 1: And okay I almost said something and then I didn't
Speaker 1: say it. I'm really proud of myself for biting my tongue.
Speaker 3: Good for you. So that's pretty much the story of
Speaker 3: the heck sum that's.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to do some more research on that.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm.
Speaker 2: What's froun in my research?
Speaker 1: No it's terrible enough.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm not good enough for you. I spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time on that.
Speaker 1: That was amazing. I'm going to do my own research.
Speaker 2: There's always a vaccine, yes.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just you know, I have my I do
Speaker 1: my own research on everything, including my healthcare, you.
Speaker 2: Know, like my Johnson and Johnson Hike some head research.
Speaker 1: With my BFA and theater. I think I know more
Speaker 1: than doctors. I'm sorry, I've played doctors. I don't even
Speaker 1: I was going through my reds or thinking about stuff.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even think I've played a doctor.
Speaker 1: I know I've played a couple of nurses, and nurses
Speaker 1: do more work than I'm sorry, but nurses do the work.
Speaker 1: I've been in the detox word.
Speaker 2: I have Hello, Hello, and yes I have, and that's
Speaker 2: what we have in common. Okay, I gotta tell you
Speaker 2: about somebody else.
Speaker 1: Oh Pip. Oh I know about Pip.
Speaker 2: Yes, keep going, No you don't, because Pip is a
Speaker 2: haunted eBay doll that I discovered on eBay, currently going
Speaker 2: for forty five dollars. Oh, who were you thinking?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the lead character in David Copperfield or
Speaker 1: Great Expectations. No, I listened to a lot of podcasts
Speaker 1: are about the supernatural, and I thought that I was.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of another thing with a creature, like what
Speaker 1: I listened to your one with with Patent and Meredith,
Speaker 1: and I knew that whole thing about the mongoose. There's
Speaker 1: an extent. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Pip go.
Speaker 3: This is Pip who is currently going for forty five
Speaker 3: dollars on eBay. If you're new around here, I have
Speaker 3: an obsession with haunted eBay dolls.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Lorraine Warren, are you going to open
Speaker 1: some new like room filled with glass the trines and
Speaker 1: evil dolls in your home?
Speaker 2: Because I don't approve that. Okay, Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 2: know that's what I was hoping.
Speaker 1: For, raised you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Should we shall some note that my parents are in
Speaker 3: town and they're in the room right now.
Speaker 2: So this is Pip right here?
Speaker 1: Is that a ribbon or devil horns? How many times it's.
Speaker 3: Unclear if you are listening to the audio of this podcast,
Speaker 3: this podcast will at some point beyond YouTube, so you
Speaker 3: could watch it.
Speaker 1: Okay, First up, against a Ouija board for one.
Speaker 2: You know, I actually don't know the under a Pip.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to gender this this object.
Speaker 3: Because Pip has on overall's flannels.
Speaker 1: It's got a traditional farm boy body dress, a flannel
Speaker 1: ringlet curls on top, Shirley temple on top, hair.
Speaker 2: Chirley temple on top, farmer to bottom.
Speaker 1: Red spikes protruding out of the Cheirley Temple curls.
Speaker 2: I think it's a ribbon, okay, I think it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be a ribbon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that looks a little. It could also pass as
Speaker 1: devil horns in this photograph.
Speaker 2: So let's read about Pip. Now. Sometimes these are written somehow,
Speaker 2: some way by the actual doll, and this is an example.
Speaker 1: Got to go.
Speaker 3: So here's Pip. Pip somehow got behind a MacBook and
Speaker 3: typed up their personal as uber.
Speaker 2: Okay, hi, Pip here, I hate cows.
Speaker 1: A sorry about the farm comment.
Speaker 3: They ran me over and now I'm here stupid cows.
Speaker 3: This is what it says. I didn't even get to
Speaker 3: turn five yet. Oh no, this is more disappointing than
Speaker 3: when Mama said she wouldn't cut my crust. Ridiculous. What
Speaker 3: do I do now? I need a new family. I
Speaker 3: can't eat or taste anything. It's so weird. I can
Speaker 3: see you, but can you hear me? Can you see
Speaker 3: when I move? It takes a lot of effort, So
Speaker 3: please be patient if you're watching me. Try I need
Speaker 3: some new friends. I miss my mama.
Speaker 1: So this is the spirit of a little boy. Who's
Speaker 1: possessing this doll?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who says the person that's selling this on even
Speaker 2: forty five?
Speaker 1: Absolutely believe them? Ye? Sure? Why would I pay forty
Speaker 1: five American dollars to put it a possessed piece of
Speaker 1: porcelain with a ragged, ragging muffin top hairdo in my home.
Speaker 3: Well, the good news is you don't have to pay
Speaker 3: for it, because I'm not willing to buy it for you.
Speaker 1: I am going to respectfully pass on your offer.
Speaker 2: Well it okay.
Speaker 3: I thought you would maybe have a new friend that
Speaker 3: hates cows.
Speaker 1: I don't hate cows. I eat them, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Well it was worth the shot. We just had a
Speaker 3: short little one today that was pip.
Speaker 1: I don't peep into this world, but is there like
Speaker 1: a world of haunted dolls? On eBay.
Speaker 3: Oh honey, I'm like, yes, I'm on top of it. Okay,
Speaker 3: I've got so many alerts on my phone when a
Speaker 3: new Actually, Naomi Peagon just sent me one that says
Speaker 3: that it's a smoker and drinker doll that's up for
Speaker 3: sale right now.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 2: Wait, let's let's haunted all the drinks and smokes? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is this me in twenty ten?
Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, I mean tell me to lose weight this one. Okay?
Speaker 2: Look at her? Oh, she kind of looks like Lucy Ball, yes,
Speaker 2: or somebody.
Speaker 1: It's like, if Lucille Ball, then a little bit of
Speaker 1: like I don't know, idol a pino in there. She's
Speaker 1: got such an assussient. It's like it looks like a
Speaker 1: middle aged child that does drink in smoke, who like
Speaker 1: has scene at all.
Speaker 2: But she's only seven, a middle aged child. I love that.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, yeah, totally. Oh she's got a vest on.
Speaker 1: What are those bottoms? Is that a silver jobper, a
Speaker 1: silk job per, and a hunting booth?
Speaker 2: Wait, let's read about it.
Speaker 1: Lord. What next?
Speaker 3: Eva is from the nineteen twenties era. She grew up
Speaker 3: in Santiago, Chili and moved to the US when she
Speaker 3: was a teenager. She doesn't really talk much about this
Speaker 3: era of her life. She tends to focus on the
Speaker 3: best years of her life, which is when she was
Speaker 3: in her thirties and forties. She loves to smoke Parliament cigarettes.
Speaker 3: She is a very very heavy smoker. She smells of
Speaker 3: smoke and is very grateful for a lit cigarette as
Speaker 3: an offering. She spent most of her time in bars.
Speaker 3: She's an alcoholic. She's a funny drunk and would have
Speaker 3: the whole bar and become friends with her. She mostly
Speaker 3: drinks whiskey. However, she will never turn down any drink.
Speaker 3: I also leave her alcohol as offerings. She has a
Speaker 3: very scratchy voice, probably from so much smoking.
Speaker 2: Well, good guess thanks.
Speaker 3: Her accent is quite strange as it is a combination
Speaker 3: of Chilean and New Yorker. She is a great friend
Speaker 3: and would make an excellent partner for someone who likes
Speaker 3: to drink, laugh and hang out. Evil will appear to
Speaker 3: you in her genes, usually jeans no.
Speaker 2: G, E, N E S.
Speaker 1: Maybe she's just a miss spelling.
Speaker 3: Evil will appear to you in her genes, usually in
Speaker 3: a bar scenario.
Speaker 2: Maybe dreams. I don't know. I kind of lot of her.
Speaker 2: She sounds like fun.
Speaker 1: For sure, buy that. Put that in your life. Here's
Speaker 1: my question.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the eighteen dollars, Okay.
Speaker 1: That just why first of all, so much to say? Also,
Speaker 1: don't haunt me anyone. I'm haunted enough by all my regrets.
Speaker 1: Who are we being at? What are we being asked
Speaker 1: to believe? He? Who is the person selling this? I
Speaker 1: want to interview them at length, like why they're if
Speaker 1: it's such.
Speaker 3: I do because I make a lot of fun at
Speaker 3: these people and I don't want.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm as curious, like why they're they're getting rid
Speaker 1: of their pip or what's your name?
Speaker 2: That's a lot of times.
Speaker 3: My question is if these dolls are so great, why
Speaker 3: would you get rid of them?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 3: My other question is, so you die, you can you know,
Speaker 3: maybe go to heaven, maybe you go to hell if.
Speaker 1: That's what you're incarnation, whatever you believe.
Speaker 3: Reincarnation, you become a ghost stuck in a house, or
Speaker 3: you can go inside of a doll and be sold
Speaker 3: for forty five dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and smoke, Like if I was going to be
Speaker 1: reincarnated as a smoker, I would just be reincarnated as
Speaker 1: a person who gets.
Speaker 2: This person smok. Can you choose?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can choose. They always say, you know, you choose your parent,
Speaker 1: You choose your parents to teach you a lesson. And
Speaker 1: when I hear that, I'm like, and I pick these two?
Speaker 1: What was was I drunk? Pre nat? Wait?
Speaker 3: Wait so when you get reincarnated? Oh no, there's just
Speaker 3: like different chooses who your parents are.
Speaker 1: There's lots of you know, spiritual situations. I've just heard
Speaker 1: and I can't get into specific sos. I'm too tired
Speaker 1: and I don't know them. But it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: in this path and coming back, and you choose your
Speaker 1: parents to teach you the lessons you need. But it's
Speaker 1: before It's like I wasn't saying pancake, choosing Robin Joe pancake.
Speaker 1: It was like whatever spirit I was, it was like,
Speaker 1: these two should be interesting. That's why I wake up
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, why did I choose pancake and being
Speaker 1: gay and being from West Virginia and these two? Like
Speaker 1: I love my parents, I'm not. It's just like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I really set myself up for a wacky life, and
Speaker 1: that's what I'm living. But what I don't need is
Speaker 1: a haunted doll who's gonna smoke my parliaments when I'm
Speaker 1: behind my back. They're twelve dollars a pack.
Speaker 2: Now in California, you're not sharing your parliament.
Speaker 1: Eva. I know when you were child and chili they
Speaker 1: were a penny a puff, but now it's not like today. No,
Speaker 1: it's really dear, dear heart. I'm just curious why I
Speaker 1: want the story of why this seller is selling this doll.
Speaker 1: Don't you think that's very important? No? Like if oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I don't, this is this will be the this will
Speaker 1: be the end of you. Then you need to be
Speaker 1: very This is how horror movies start. I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: say this in a room with the people.
Speaker 2: I love horror movies.
Speaker 1: I know, but have you ever started one? No? Me, neither.
Speaker 2: No, Sam. Do you want to hear some ghost voices?
Speaker 1: Of course I do.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's time for evp's or ev police.
Speaker 2: Sam, you have been on this podcast. This is your
Speaker 2: third appearance.
Speaker 1: Am I like the third Am I the am I
Speaker 1: the only person in the three time club.
Speaker 2: Now there's a couple others, and I apologize.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the only one who's not a paranormal professional.
Speaker 1: Who's who's not in.
Speaker 3: The Oh that's an interesting idea maybe, so just tell
Speaker 3: me you. So, if anyone listening to this wants to
Speaker 3: hear all of your lovely, terrifying, spooky ghost there's two
Speaker 3: other episodes, so go back and listen. Okay, so, Sam,
Speaker 3: you already know. I go to YouTube. I find alleged
Speaker 3: ghost voices that are recorded, also known as electronic voice
Speaker 3: phenomenon also known as EV. Please, I'm gonna make you
Speaker 3: guess what you hear. I'll give you some options.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'm ready.
Speaker 2: All right. This is from.
Speaker 3: Arkansas Ghost Hunters and the location I was not able
Speaker 3: to figure out. Uh so we'll have a lot of
Speaker 3: fun imagining. And what is this ghost saying?
Speaker 1: Oh? It happened so quickly? Did I hear it again?
Speaker 1: Let's keep it going.
Speaker 2: Let's keep it going.
Speaker 1: I keep it going.
Speaker 2: I really hear that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, So that's allegedly a ghost voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's one of the clearest I've heard.
Speaker 2: It's a good one. Yeah, let's keep it going.
Speaker 3: See I'm picturing that it's like a host of a
Speaker 3: comedy show, like, let's keep it going for your next stact.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, you gotta get away.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, here's some options. Is it a you silly guy?
Speaker 2: Is it B? Get the guard? Is it C, let's
Speaker 2: keep it going?
Speaker 1: Can we hear it again?
Speaker 2: Or d oh my god, my.
Speaker 1: Name's evemore cigarette. Well it's funny because I first heard
Speaker 1: let's keep it going without being prompted, and now that
Speaker 1: you put these other things in my brain, I hear
Speaker 1: the guard thing, but I really my first instinct is
Speaker 1: let's keep it going.
Speaker 2: They think it's B get the guard?
Speaker 1: Oh can I hear it again? Sorry? Or let's get
Speaker 1: the guard? Yeah, get the guard.
Speaker 2: I hear let's keep it going. But nonetheless I would something.
Speaker 1: I gotta like some context, like if it was or
Speaker 1: a middle asylum.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do one more. This is from doctor Regina
Speaker 3: Wolf speaking of wolves.
Speaker 2: I know, and speaking of trans Alleghany Lunatic asylum in
Speaker 2: Western Virginia.
Speaker 1: Dr Western West West.
Speaker 3: Western West Virginia. Uh, doctor Regina Wolf captured.
Speaker 1: This was the distant voice the ghost Yeah saying oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 2: I mean that's really what it sounds like.
Speaker 1: That's so clear. All of that is supposed is an
Speaker 1: e VP.
Speaker 2: All those according to doctor Regina Wolf.
Speaker 1: That gave me chills. Yeah, and I've listened to these
Speaker 1: on your podcast many times and being on your podcast,
Speaker 1: listen to them and these are two of the clearest
Speaker 1: I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Oh that visceral chill that gave me. Also, it's the
Speaker 1: energy of around it, which is kind of like alarmed,
Speaker 1: I think is part of it. But that really so.
Speaker 2: You think it says what now, oh my god?
Speaker 1: Like that, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's the first option is that he oh my god, look,
Speaker 3: which that's something when I was younger, I used to
Speaker 3: always do to those star line tours when they would
Speaker 3: drive by.
Speaker 2: I would always be.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, look it's whoever, you know, some
Speaker 3: celebrity to see if they would turn, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: look is it b I just got goth. Look No,
Speaker 3: maybe it's somebody that just became See Oh you're not
Speaker 3: or d are you not shook?
Speaker 1: It's not that.
Speaker 2: Okay, well let's let's listen. Open mind.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's, oh my god, something drop, there's
Speaker 1: like a crash and then his look it's definitely.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, look and this, I mean that just sounds.
Speaker 1: Like a person that was a western a t l
Speaker 1: A t l t A l A.
Speaker 2: Is that what they call it?
Speaker 1: Everything was like tala t a la trends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what they got here. Oh my god, Look,
Speaker 3: it sounds like a human to me speaking a living human.
Speaker 1: It does sound like a living human.
Speaker 3: Okay, Sam, let's do one more thing. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: just some random paranormal phenomena.
Speaker 2: See what comes up for you. We've done this before.
Speaker 3: Last time we covered psychics and bigfoot and stuff like that. However,
Speaker 3: something that's interesting about psychics. Have you been to any
Speaker 3: psychics since since the last time you were on this podcast,
Speaker 3: which would have been maybe a year ago or lass.
Speaker 1: Well, no, not specifically, but we did.
Speaker 2: We both went to the experience we had together that one.
Speaker 3: Three times guest of this podcast, Rachel R. H. Davis,
Speaker 3: who we haven't talked a lot about it on this podcast,
Speaker 3: but she's like an incredible medium. Yeah, and we went
Speaker 3: over to her house and she was reading like a
Speaker 3: bunch of people, like a group reading.
Speaker 1: We had what she called a seance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I guess it was kind of
Speaker 3: she was doing kind of like, okay, I'm getting you know, this.
Speaker 1: Channeling some people from the other side, and it was
Speaker 1: really amazing.
Speaker 2: It was powerful.
Speaker 1: It was a wonderful night.
Speaker 2: Nobody wanted to talk to me, none of my or mine.
Speaker 1: But remember what she said was like the people that
Speaker 1: came through were people that had been there before and
Speaker 1: it was our first time at one of these. And
Speaker 1: she said that the spirits that are like were in
Speaker 1: life would not kind of elbow the way to the front,
Speaker 1: wouldn't speak to us. Sometimes it takes a few times,
Speaker 1: but people that like the one person I don't want
Speaker 1: to get into the specifics, but like someone's relative came
Speaker 1: through that they said it was always very pushy and
Speaker 1: loud and the front of the line, and that's who
Speaker 1: came through, right, a couple of those people.
Speaker 3: But it was like people were really like reacting to
Speaker 3: it was it was intensive. Yeah, it was a lovely night.
Speaker 1: And the food was great.
Speaker 2: She's the best.
Speaker 1: She is the best.
Speaker 3: Okay, So let's let me hear your thoughts on moving
Speaker 3: things with your mind. Oh do you think that that's
Speaker 3: a possible thing?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, god, I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: but I know that's all I cared about. When I
Speaker 1: was little, I would read ESP books and try to
Speaker 1: move things with my mind.
Speaker 3: ESP was big in like sixties seventies, definitely.
Speaker 1: It was Bermuda Triangle and ESP Yes, and then Carrie
Speaker 1: came out the movie Carrie and Watch Out, and it
Speaker 1: was everyone's most of us is a lot of us
Speaker 1: as fantasies to be able to have telekinesis, to reach
Speaker 1: his minds. I tried all the time. Me and my
Speaker 1: siblings are like, you know what, which card is this?
Speaker 1: Which card is this? Or like try to move things
Speaker 1: with our minds. But I think you maybe can impact
Speaker 1: the energy around you if you're evolved and have worked
Speaker 1: on it hard enough and long enough. It's a practice
Speaker 1: as a human being, and so now tapping into some
Speaker 1: frequency and energy that's beyond the normal human realm. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would love I would love
Speaker 1: to be proven wrong. I don't know if there's a
Speaker 1: human being out there like the you're a Gellers of
Speaker 1: the world. He was the guy who could bend spoons
Speaker 1: with his mind. Remember that, and he was proven to
Speaker 1: be a fake. Because I've listened to a lot of podcasts.
Speaker 2: I like that the Amazing Randy.
Speaker 1: Amazing Randy debunks a lot of stuff, and there's a
Speaker 1: couple of things that not even Amazing Randy could debunk,
Speaker 1: but which I'm always like, Wow. But the things, the moving,
Speaker 1: the bending, the spoon and stuff is all kind of debunked.
Speaker 2: Ery Geller is still around. Is he bend in those spoons?
Speaker 1: He better not said that, Like he's a next door
Speaker 1: somewhere replacement oon shape metal hip replace but it's bending.
Speaker 1: I don't have hip replacement.
Speaker 3: I would be tasted off if Uriy Geller came over
Speaker 3: for dinner and it's dessert time. We're eating ice cream,
Speaker 3: and now all my.
Speaker 2: Spoons are drooping gorgeous. I kia spoons.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, high end that I.
Speaker 2: Spent seven dollars for a full pack of fifty.
Speaker 1: F d or like a hairpin, because it wasn't how
Speaker 1: cheap they were. It's just Uri damn Geller, Uri Geller,
Speaker 1: damn minds like snapping fingers.
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think about astro projection.
Speaker 1: Again? I'm open to anything happening. I don't I have
Speaker 1: this this person I know who's a friend. I guess
Speaker 1: who I'm kind of not friends with any more who
Speaker 1: claims to do it all the time. I just wish
Speaker 1: that or I haven't talked to this person a while.
Speaker 1: He didn't used to claim he could do it all
Speaker 1: the time. I wish I would like to find a
Speaker 1: person who says they can do it. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're out there. I'm not saying they don't exist. The
Speaker 1: people that I knew that say they can do it.
Speaker 1: I also know there a lot of drugs, and uh,
Speaker 1: maybe there.
Speaker 2: Could be truth to that.
Speaker 3: I think if you're on drugs, it's possible that your
Speaker 3: spiritual body.
Speaker 1: Is depends on the drugs. But I mean, like, can
Speaker 1: you do it without drugs? Wouldn't that be the ultimate?
Speaker 1: If you buy un undiluded by substances, could just do it,
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be the dream?
Speaker 2: I mean, I really want to a lot of people
Speaker 2: say you can learn.
Speaker 1: I think I'm sure that people. There are classes, there
Speaker 1: are teachers, anything is out there if you want to
Speaker 1: give it the time. I'm sure it's like anything. It's
Speaker 1: a practice, you know. Sure, yes, I do believe in it.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm doubtful of this one person in my
Speaker 1: life who uses I want to do a character where
Speaker 1: someone's like, they can't text you back because they've been
Speaker 1: astral projecting for a week and they couldn't get to
Speaker 1: the phone. Literally a quote.
Speaker 3: Uh so that's what this person said to you said
Speaker 3: to a friend of mine, said, I've been asked.
Speaker 1: I will tell you the whole story later.
Speaker 3: Somebody told me one time a famous celebrity astra projected
Speaker 3: and couldn't get back into their body, which is like
Speaker 3: the nightmare. I'm not gonna repeat this because I don't
Speaker 3: know if this was a true story or what. But
Speaker 3: that's what scares me, Like, what what if you can't
Speaker 3: get back in and you're flopping or you're like opening up?
Speaker 2: Do you go in the front or the back? How
Speaker 2: do you get in? How do you.
Speaker 1: Open that door? I might say something you don't want
Speaker 1: to hear.
Speaker 3: Okay, what do you think about trolls being real?
Speaker 1: Me on the internet under the bridge trolls?
Speaker 3: How about let's just talk about ice lnted creatures in general?
Speaker 3: Yes you think Do you hear about that recent wolf
Speaker 3: man or that little creature that is going all around
Speaker 3: the internet right now that was found in Texas?
Speaker 1: No, what you're thinking of? Ted Cruz.
Speaker 2: This thing was captured in Texas.
Speaker 1: Well, that just gave me the chills. But that could
Speaker 1: be a person in a suit.
Speaker 3: Well, that's why a lot of people are theorizing. It
Speaker 3: could be a lot of different things. Is it a
Speaker 3: cheap of cabra? Is it a person in a in
Speaker 3: a thing in a costume?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's unclear to me.
Speaker 1: If the dimensions were less like human with the costume on,
Speaker 1: I might be more like, holy shit, but.
Speaker 3: It or is it just like a wolf stood up
Speaker 3: for two seconds? Let me see, because it's also just
Speaker 3: a photograph.
Speaker 1: Those back legs and that the length of the legs
Speaker 1: is to me, those look more like human legs. They
Speaker 1: didn't look like wolf legs. Wolf legs. Woolfs look like wolves,
Speaker 1: look like dogs. Those aren't dog legs. Yeah, that looks
Speaker 1: like someone you know, spoof and spoof in us. But
Speaker 1: I do not what's the word I'm looking for. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to poke the bear or the wolf in
Speaker 1: this case and get things coming at me. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, hooray for everyone, live your kookie crypted life.
Speaker 1: Stay out of my back yard, keep your little ball
Speaker 1: heads out of my hole. Wait, that's not it. Yard,
Speaker 1: that's it. Keep going, that's recent. I need to look
Speaker 1: further into that. I need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just it just happened recently. I don't
Speaker 2: know when this is going to air.
Speaker 1: But it did.
Speaker 2: Okay. What about synchronicities, Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean I feel.
Speaker 3: Like you and I, since we've met each other, have
Speaker 3: always been into that the energy.
Speaker 1: There's always something that literally happened today that was concerning
Speaker 1: what I just told you about before we started this
Speaker 1: work thing, and something that I was writing, and then this.
Speaker 1: It's it's not that not that it was that huge
Speaker 1: of a surprise, this work thing, but as we know,
Speaker 1: when these jobs and offers come in, it's it can
Speaker 1: be few and far between. Sometimes. What am I trying
Speaker 1: to say? Yes, I believe in synchronicity. I think you
Speaker 1: create your own synchronicity if you really like put the
Speaker 1: energy forth and it's a part of your say spiritual
Speaker 1: practice or something you're concentrating on or trying to manifest
Speaker 1: or doing the practice behind it. Absolutely, and then also
Speaker 1: there are ways in which I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this happens to you, I know it happens to
Speaker 1: a lot of people and some of us just being
Speaker 1: hyper vigilant and hyper aware of your surroundings because you've
Speaker 1: never felt safe in your body anyway. But you will
Speaker 1: hear You'll be reading a word and then unrelated something
Speaker 1: and you'll hear the same word on the ring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the time and all the time.
Speaker 1: And that they say that that means you're in the
Speaker 1: right place at the right time, and the right things
Speaker 1: are just to be happening. Okay, Sure. I also think
Speaker 1: maybe that means that you're just really aware of what's
Speaker 1: going on, and so your brain you're subconscious, the different
Speaker 1: parts of your brain are just also maybe it's a
Speaker 1: part of an attention just deficitis or that I almost
Speaker 1: certainly have undiagnosed. It's just like picking up all these
Speaker 1: things at once.
Speaker 2: Which is the weird thing to think about.
Speaker 3: That is just imagine if we were aware how much
Speaker 3: stuff is constantly going on around us at all times.
Speaker 1: Well, they say that, and I was just reading another
Speaker 1: yet another book or article about it, like it's a
Speaker 1: if you are present, which is what the work is about,
Speaker 1: being present in your body and your life for the
Speaker 1: present moment, not thinking about the past or projecting onto
Speaker 1: the future, or like being distracted by other things other
Speaker 1: than the present moment, and you sink into that, and
Speaker 1: then you should be aware of that all's going around you,
Speaker 1: because it's not it's so much. It's all math, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, it's all numbers in math
Speaker 1: and everything and the universe and quantum physics and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and I'm not smart enough to understand any
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 3: I just choose not to share it. Oh, I know,
Speaker 3: I know all the answers. I just don't want to
Speaker 3: share it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, but I do know the answers.
Speaker 1: Wow, what the hell you're talking to me for?
Speaker 2: Uh No?
Speaker 3: But I feel like there's got to be things that
Speaker 3: we could share that have happened in our lives, either
Speaker 3: together or separate that because I feel like you and
Speaker 3: I always talk about this kind of shit and I
Speaker 3: can't think of anything where it's like.
Speaker 1: Well, I've always said our conjuring powers are very great
Speaker 1: together they are.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Sam, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. That went so fast? I know more?
Speaker 2: Please, Oh, okay, we can do more. What do you
Speaker 2: think of curses?
Speaker 1: I think again, it's what you believe. And I think
Speaker 1: some people I mean again, I've heard some I listened
Speaker 1: to a lot of podcasts, and I watch a lot
Speaker 1: of documentaries, as you and I both do, and there
Speaker 1: are these instances where people truly did seem to be
Speaker 1: put under a curse, you know, And I just I
Speaker 1: think of the movie Dragged Me to Hell, because that's
Speaker 1: a very extreme example. But like that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: it was like, I do believe that if you believe that,
Speaker 1: because I know that. I no, I'm not making sense,
Speaker 1: but like I've had things happen where I'm like, my
Speaker 1: belief in this is what's gonna fuck me up. That's
Speaker 1: what's gonna I'll be thinking about that and freaking out.
Speaker 1: Then I'll see something and I'll turn too fast, and
Speaker 1: I'll be in my car and I'll get hit by
Speaker 1: a car because I'm so parent that there's been a
Speaker 1: curse put on me. Not that this has actually happened
Speaker 1: to me, but like in other instances, I can just
Speaker 1: see me or in imaginary instance, like I can see
Speaker 1: how that would work in terms of like messing with
Speaker 1: your mind enough if you have that belief in terms
Speaker 1: of your religion or you believe in curses.
Speaker 2: But if you if you can believe in things like that.
Speaker 2: This is my thought.
Speaker 3: You should be able to also have a strong belief
Speaker 3: in counteracting.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, now completely.
Speaker 2: You were great and drag me to hell.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well. My favorite part is that I can
Speaker 1: actually vomit, projectile, vomit green goo into another actor's mouth
Speaker 1: for ten minutes without even field.
Speaker 2: That's how you got the job.
Speaker 1: I got there.
Speaker 3: It was on your resume under special skills in the
Speaker 3: audition room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it finally paid off.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, okay, fine, well I'll do do one mare.
Speaker 2: Okay. What about past lives? You kind of talk?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have so many stories.
Speaker 2: Have you done past that progression you have? Have We
Speaker 2: talked about this.
Speaker 1: I think brief maybe in the beginning of our friendship.
Speaker 1: What were you Well, it was a few different things,
Speaker 1: ok and god, it's too much to get into you
Speaker 1: right now. But and then at the same time, the
Speaker 1: situation in which it happened, I was like, there could
Speaker 1: because I was very young. I was like twenty four
Speaker 1: or five young compared to me now, And as I
Speaker 1: read more or later about things can kind of be
Speaker 1: planted in your head. Because it was sort of a
Speaker 1: hypnosis thing that we have great imaginations, so maybe the
Speaker 1: stuff I was coming up with when the person taking
Speaker 1: me through it was like go further back, go further back,
Speaker 1: And these scenarios came to me and they felt very
Speaker 1: real and they stayed with me, like I can remember
Speaker 1: those memories as if they happened to me now. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, I might have been being manipulated.
Speaker 1: But here's the good news. I will say this, which
Speaker 1: might be kind of corny, but when I did that,
Speaker 1: I got a very strong sense of me, my spirit,
Speaker 1: my soul, whatever you want to call it, my life force,
Speaker 1: being eternal and going through these different lives, and that
Speaker 1: the gift of that session was that because I was
Speaker 1: at a point in my life where I was much
Speaker 1: more fatalistic, much more depressed, much more like why bother,
Speaker 1: much more self loathing, and this gave me this sense
Speaker 1: of like, this is just one Like again the pancake
Speaker 1: and being gay. When I'm realizing I was gay so
Speaker 1: young in rural West Virginia, I'm being like, this life
Speaker 1: is going to be crazy. It gave me a sense like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just one of the fun lives, and I
Speaker 1: get to be Sam Pancake like a fucking cartoon character
Speaker 1: this life, and so I'm going to enjoy it and
Speaker 1: not take everything so bloody seriously. Yeah see, and that's
Speaker 1: kept me, literally kept me alive.
Speaker 3: When I started thinking about past lives, it took away
Speaker 3: my fear of dying.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: I have no not that I want to me neither
Speaker 2: want to die.
Speaker 1: I have no fear of dying lightning strike yet like
Speaker 1: some people, like in Woody Allen Alan, but like other
Speaker 1: people that grew up watching movies of He're like, oh, death,
Speaker 1: I'm so afraid of death. And I'm like, not that.
Speaker 1: And I've had a lot of death happen around me too,
Speaker 1: and that really, you know, you build a different relationship
Speaker 1: with death if you've lost a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially when you're young.
Speaker 3: Really, I've said this before, but past lives, I this
Speaker 3: is my motivational speech. Somebody in a couple of decades
Speaker 3: is going to go get a past life progression and
Speaker 3: they're going to say.
Speaker 1: You were a.
Speaker 2: Pharaoh, and then you were a war.
Speaker 3: Hero and then you were what think about it. Do
Speaker 3: you want them to say you were a hilarious character
Speaker 3: actor that brought so much joy to people, or do
Speaker 3: you want them to be like, eh, you were just
Speaker 3: like some d you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. Have you ever read Many, Many Lives,
Speaker 1: Many Masters. I think it's the name of it. It's
Speaker 1: above yeah, past lives and the thing that was it's
Speaker 1: a fast book. I have not read it in twenty years.
Speaker 1: But from what I remember this as this person was
Speaker 1: being taken through all these lives, it was like, you
Speaker 1: were a soldier, you died young, your soldier servants soldier,
Speaker 1: which most people were in world history. Soldiers are servants
Speaker 1: or sirs, and they died young because there was no
Speaker 1: healthcare and their lives are incredibly difficult, or they were
Speaker 1: at war. And that's the history of the world. That
Speaker 1: made more sense to me than like I knew this
Speaker 1: One person who long story revealed to me that they
Speaker 1: found out that they used to be Marilyn Monroe, and
Speaker 1: I was like, really.
Speaker 3: They were like on Hollywood Boulevard they used to They
Speaker 3: revealed that that's what they used to do is dress
Speaker 3: like this.
Speaker 1: The person I had to get out of my life
Speaker 1: when I was a long time ago. But anyway, it was.
Speaker 1: It was it was one of those situations of like
Speaker 1: I was, yes, I was Cleopatra. I was Catherine the Great?
Speaker 1: Sure were you me too?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But then there are people that are like that's because
Speaker 1: many spirits were in Katherine the Great and she went
Speaker 1: every and like, okay, okay, okay, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: I just want to cup a coffee and do my
Speaker 1: crossword puzzle? Can I get some a little bit of piece?
Speaker 2: Uh? Sam?
Speaker 1: Yes, rahs for the fifth time, we're done.
Speaker 2: We're kicking you out of the studio.
Speaker 1: No one can make me leave until I see a
Speaker 1: goat woman sheep man come through that door and drag
Speaker 1: me out. Well, you're drag me to hell.
Speaker 3: Back to hell, Sam, tell people you know where to
Speaker 3: find you and all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm on Instagram at the Sam Pancake THG Sam Pancake
Speaker 1: on Twitter J Sampancake. You can follow me, I think
Speaker 1: publicly on Facebook and that's that's it. I'm on TikTok too.
Speaker 1: I'm Sam Pancake three on TikTok. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: really do it much, but in.
Speaker 2: The TV shows and the yeah and.
Speaker 1: Coming back on a million little things on ABC this
Speaker 1: I don't think we come back in the fall, think
Speaker 1: we come back mid season. But yeah, season five of
Speaker 1: a million little things. Oh and now depending on when
Speaker 1: this airs. I did. It was a part of a
Speaker 1: series of promos PSAs for Pride for June, for ABC, Hulu,
Speaker 1: Disney that'll be running, so keep an eye out for
Speaker 1: those if it's they said, I'll be running in June
Speaker 1: and beyond, so I don't know, keep an eye out.
Speaker 1: And my own podcast. I'm doing another season coming up soon.
Speaker 1: My Teenage Wasteland season I covered TV movies from the seventies,
Speaker 1: chiefly usually horror, but now I'm doing the I'm going
Speaker 1: to do a Teenage Wasteland season about like Sarah te
Speaker 1: Portrait of a teenage Alcoholic and down Portrait of a
Speaker 1: teenager Runaway and Go ask.
Speaker 2: Alice, and all the portraits of teenagers.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there was a big thing in the seventies,
Speaker 1: these TV movies about teenagers going horribly wrong, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure your parents might remember since they were those teens
Speaker 1: in the seventies who went on.
Speaker 3: They raised a team that went horribly wrong.
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say anything looking at you, Rocky the
Speaker 1: Dog's here too.
Speaker 3: Thank you to Sam Pancake. Go back and listen to
Speaker 3: the two other times that he's been on. He was
Speaker 3: on very early on in the podcast, and.
Speaker 2: He's got stories.
Speaker 3: He say, He's seen some shit and always a delight
Speaker 3: to be around. I love him so so much. Hey,
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Speaker 3: I'm on Instagram at raz Hernandez, TikTok and Twitter at
Speaker 3: It's raz Hernandez. I have been booking away at the
Speaker 3: next few weeks for the show.
Speaker 2: I got a psychic coming on soon.
Speaker 3: Ooh, it's been a minute since I've had one. And
Speaker 3: she's a good one and she comes highly recommended.
Speaker 2: So look out for that. I love you all, both
Speaker 2: of them being in dead. But if I didn't ask
Speaker 2: you to haunt me, don't haunt me. Okay. Bye.
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