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Speaker 2: For the beer.

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Speaker 1: So you're tossed that that was surprising, you know, and

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Speaker 2: The ogs are back. We are still on the road, ud,

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Speaker 2: We're in Indy.

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Speaker 3: Cold as Indy man, that's cold, man, but we are

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Speaker 2: We thrive on the road.

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Speaker 3: We got a great guest today, meadow World peace. I

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Speaker 3: feel safe up here today with you guys. Man ain't

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Speaker 3: gonna let he'll safe.

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Speaker 2: Oh now got jokes.

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Speaker 4: We loves, yeah, man, I love.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about the fighting though, ain't gonna bullshit.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about some fighting now. Appreciate you better

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Speaker 3: coming in man.

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Speaker 2: For real.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be here. I saw you. Sure you

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Speaker 1: retired got into the media, That's right, I was. I

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Speaker 1: was really curious about what.

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Speaker 2: He was gonna do.

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Speaker 1: And he's gonna bring you the table. Oh gee, you

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Speaker 1: know he stepped it up.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Like we know a couple of gitting talents, a couple

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Speaker 5: a few hitting talents that I just wanted to tap

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, but we appreciate you coming

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Speaker 2: in for real. Definitely unbelievable run that you had.

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Speaker 3: Obviously we had some serious wars, kind of jumping right

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Speaker 3: into it. Obviously he's a Miami lifer. I played in Miami, Indiana,

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Speaker 3: Miami had some awesome rivalries. We had talk about some

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Speaker 5: They sit us home, you know that right before you came.

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Speaker 5: They sent us home.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you.

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Speaker 4: They sit us home. So it started with a great.

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Speaker 5: Center with them kicking my ass first, y'all him Jamaine

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Speaker 5: on the I'm gonna let him go ahead, but just

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Speaker 1: That's where I remember every loss. I be still sick

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Speaker 1: over losses that college losses, Ohio State, Michael Red still

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Speaker 2: That's a bad one sleep.

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Speaker 3: We ain't gonna talk about that, but talked about that

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Speaker 3: those Indiana days against Miami.

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Speaker 2: Though, for real, it was great.

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Speaker 1: Man, It was tough. You know, we was young and

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Speaker 1: our practices was hard. It was we we actually was

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Speaker 1: I remember where he he was young.

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Speaker 1: He was a rookie young. We were young, we wereo.

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Speaker 1: They came in together, him and came together. Yes, rookies,

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Speaker 3: You took guys like Wade, like d Wade on right,

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Speaker 3: one of the leite defenders that's ever come through league.

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Speaker 3: What was like, what was your mentality what was your

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, it was to weigh them out, wear

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Speaker 5: Or not, yeah, you gave you gave, you gave him

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Speaker 5: You can defend it, you can rebound. You're gonna make

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Speaker 1: That's incredible.

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Speaker 5: You took the lead to us because I know you

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Speaker 5: You've been an All Star, you've been a scorer, you've

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Speaker 4: Yes, you're a fan of that. I'm a fan of that.

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Speaker 3: But you touched on some of those things too, Like,

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Speaker 1: Well? If you can't touch people, that means I had

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Speaker 5: I think you still would have been able to wear

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Speaker 1: I think I would have got a fear these I

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Speaker 5: But no, yeah, I have been five times one three

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Speaker 5: I think that team embodied everything that a guy like

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Speaker 4: Think you you understand that story.

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Speaker 5: You get a part of that story, and you understand

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Speaker 5: So I think you know that team was more relatable

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Speaker 1: Probably a reason why you know you won three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like the career, it has been incredible. A jersey.

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Speaker 4: Up there, man, listen, man's we can get into it.

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Speaker 2: We've been in.

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Speaker 4: It's all love. Man.

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Speaker 5: You know, you understand rivalries and you understand that, and

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Speaker 5: But I also felt like I could have been a

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Speaker 4: So I think me and you would have we would

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Speaker 1: Would one hundred percent. Jail don't get enough credit, man.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the year, you know, everybody's begetting these MVPs.

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Speaker 5: And it's great that I think you say that, because

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Speaker 5: a little bit, you know, in Indiana, and then obviously

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Speaker 5: you had the ultimate respect. But me and Jo just

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Speaker 1: It was the practices, man. So every team I played

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Speaker 1: If something happens in practice, if some adversity happens, I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was.

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Speaker 5: But nah, that's that's a great point though, because I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys, we.

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Speaker 5: You got a looking person in the eye, you know

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: I think understanding that early because we didn't understand that early.

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Speaker 5: You didn't understand that. I didn't understand y'all. Have y'all

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Speaker 4: What are you saying?

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Speaker 3: So you talked about obviously the rivalry between Indiana Miami,

482
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Speaker 3: but that you also brought up the Indiana Detroit.

483
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Speaker 2: Everyone knows about the Indiana Detroit at Homeland.

484
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Speaker 3: So we talked about the Mouse and the Palace. You know,

485
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Speaker 3: we played through that time you being live in there.

486
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Speaker 3: You know, we see the documentaries and the stuff that

487
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Speaker 3: what was it really like inside of that inside the mouse?

488
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Speaker 1: It was a nightmare, honestly, you know, it was so

489
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Speaker 1: many different emotions. I was playing. I was playing extremely well.

490
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Speaker 1: I was you know, twenty four for me is like thirty.

491
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Speaker 1: I'm playing a lot of defense, tru Yeah, I was

492
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Speaker 1: playing extremely well, you know, you know, having my way,

493
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 1: came back better that season, a better defender and averaging

494
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Speaker 1: seven points through the first non game. Some people would

495
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Speaker 1: say I couldn't sustain twenty four. All right, maybe it's

496
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Speaker 1: twenty two. It's four points better. I'm better than what

497
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 1: I was. Probably maybe it's twenty five.

498
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Speaker 4: You know.

499
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Speaker 1: So I was having a hell of a season and

500
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: I knew what Detroit was about. I had to I

501
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 1: had to become a more efficient scorer because Detroit and

502
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 1: not letting you play around, you know, but by the

503
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 1: time you take three dribbles, they dead. So now I'm

504
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 1: a one dribble bucket guy at this point, you know.

505
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: So so so I pretty much answered a few questions

506
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 1: and we felt like those games was some of the

507
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: hardest games we ever played. We was a mirror image

508
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: of each other, you know. And so from from a

509
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: basketball perspective, it was incredible playing against Rip. You know,

510
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: RiPP not physically strong, but he mentally will you because

511
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,919
Speaker 1: you got you know, he was chasing her, so you

512
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Speaker 1: gotta run and your legs is going to be dead

513
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 1: by the time by the end of the game. So

514
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 1: from and then from being more physical, you know, and

515
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: people like that. So and even even Tayshank not not

516
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: physically strong but long, so you gotta constantly find ways

517
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: to score on Tah. So it's like mentally draining. And

518
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: then being in the arena, as you know, the arena

519
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: was super hostile Troit, Boston, Philly.

520
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Speaker 4: There's the difference.

521
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 5: Between hostile and racists. Next say Boston is hostile. We

522
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Speaker 5: don't call that what.

523
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Speaker 4: That is here?

524
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: You go Boston over the cannon word.

525
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Speaker 5: Just telling you I ain't the only one that said

526
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 5: he it's gonna come up anyways.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so the incident happens, Yeah, and you're

528
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: gonna lay down on the score table.

529
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, trying to diffuse the situation. I'm guessing I watched

530
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Speaker 3: or okay, I don't know.

531
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Speaker 2: Watch.

532
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Speaker 5: I know what you was doing taking your ten seconds, right,

533
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 5: you was counting our second, your five second, five seconds.

534
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Speaker 1: But I watched. I see, I'll be paying attention to

535
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Speaker 1: your dog. I watch your dogs. I watched it.

536
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Speaker 5: You want to take your five seconds, which was talking

537
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Speaker 5: to you. You probably don't take therapy. I take there

538
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 5: and you take therapy. So he was taking his five seconds. Yeah,

539
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 5: so yes, we get into the therapy talk seconds.

540
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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, so we be up like twenty again,

541
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the in the in the arena.

542
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: So in my mind, you know, I played hard to

543
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 1: the last whistle, even though if I'm down thirty, I'm

544
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: picking up full court. That's that's just what I was taught.

545
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: So in no layups, right, So Ben, when Ben went up,

546
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, okay, let me foulow him. So

547
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: you know I felt I didn't. It wasn't a hard shove.

548
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: You didn't see Ben fly across. But Ben was like,

549
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, they're down, and he had to go to

550
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: the free throw line, you know. So and then also

551
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: his his uh I think his pops or somebody passed

552
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: pasted away like that day or before. So whatever's going

553
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,159
Speaker 1: through his head, he thought that was he gonna push me,

554
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: you know. So I stood there. You know, I took

555
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: the I took the push, you know. And at this point,

556
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to get suspended. The year before I

557
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: got suspended in the playoffs, I've been suspended in the

558
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: playoffs a lot, so I'm trying not to be suspended.

559
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 1: I said, all right, cool, It's like I'm gonna take

560
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: this push. I'm gonna try to be the bigger man,

561
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: you know. And you know, Ben was super riled up

562
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: there down, so I get it. So I said, you know,

563
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not trying to fight. I've lost already lost

564
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 1: a lot of cash, you know, get suspended, so I'm

565
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: not trying to lose no cash today. So I thought

566
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: that the scores tables as my momentum took me to

567
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: the scores table. So I'm like, he didn't punch me

568
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: in my face, So I'm cool, you know, I'm cool.

569
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: So I said, I'm just gonna lay down here. I

570
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: got Stack Jack Stack ain't gonna let nothing happened to me.

571
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: I had, I had jo Jo Ain't letting nothing happen

572
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: to me. I got JT from Brooklyn, thettle former hustler.

573
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: I got all these hustlers. So I'm like, I'm good,

574
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, so imagine laying down while you know I'm good.

575
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: Nothing nothing, nobody touched me. And then I wasn't prepared,

576
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: So that had nothing to do with what actually happened.

577
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: When when somebody, you know, I wasn't prepared for somebody

578
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: to throw something back me. I prepare for everything else

579
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: for the beer you're tossed at you. That was surprising,

580
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: you know, and it just it surprised me. And they

581
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 1: didn't show that part. And you know, you look at clips,

582
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: you know, the editors they show it from when I

583
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: went up. They didn't show the five minutes it took.

584
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: That should have been a t I'm on the table

585
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: for five minutes. So at what point in time, you know,

586
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, the hand stiffing new boom boom, right, and

587
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: now at that point when you when you when the

588
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: ref goes here, if you continue, you're gonna get fine.

589
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: Like now the commissioners is gonna be like, you're supposed

590
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: to be off the floor. But he was never ejected.

591
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. They let him stay on

592
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: the floor for five minutes. So now the whole, the

593
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: whole the stadium's riled up, which led you know this,

594
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 1: you know this guy in the fourth court and just

595
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: throw a couple of bad in my face. That was

596
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Speaker 1: super insulting.

597
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so, he said, super.

598
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Speaker 1: Super So you know I was in the stands and

599
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: I think I was in the stands in three seconds. Listen, hey, don't.

600
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: Think about it though.

601
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 3: Hold up you him, you guys are he's a cool now, right,

602
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,239
Speaker 3: the guy you through the beer that we're here.

603
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know, like you said, man, I

604
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: had a problem with one individual. I didn't have a

605
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: problem with all the fans.

606
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.

607
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Speaker 1: So that's why I was like, you know, I'm not

608
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: gonna let the media turn this into a race walk.

609
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: People was trying to see white block. I'm like, nah,

610
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: that's another man disrespect another man in the hood. Somebody

611
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: disrespect you, you fight, get over it, you move on.

612
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: So that was that was That's what that was about,

613
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: you know. And he I mean he I know more

614
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: than anybody else knowing I got his number right, and

615
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's he's for sure a little while,

616
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: he's wild, He's for sure. Nobody else is gonna throw

617
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Speaker 1: a bear at meat but him. It was the one, dude,

618
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Speaker 1: have many podcasts, might be good.

619
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Speaker 4: Call, I said.

620
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 5: I actually had to run in in Detroit too, And

621
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 5: it was one of those things where it's like, you know,

622
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 5: obviously when you get towards the end of your career,

623
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. In the situation I was in,

624
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 5: it was one of those games where I think we

625
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 5: were we were up, or it was one of those

626
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 5: things where I just had to feel in some minutes

627
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 5: towards the end. As soon as I walk in the game,

628
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 5: dude just firing off. Ride me, ride me, rot me.

629
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 5: So now I finally I get to the free throw line.

630
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 5: You've been riding me for a minute. So now I

631
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 5: get to the free throw line. I got fired. I

632
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 5: get to the free throw line, I make the first

633
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 5: free throw and I make the second one, and after

634
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 5: that it's a time out.

635
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 4: This is my perfect opportunity.

636
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 5: I started to walk to the bitch, and I made

637
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 5: a U turn and I walked back because I knew

638
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 5: I wasn't gonna get another chance. This is about two

639
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 5: minutes left in the game. Once the game start back

640
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 5: and everything go back, I'm just not gonna have this

641
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 5: opportunity to gag them. I couldn't miss my opportunity. You

642
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 5: know this as a as an enforcing as a player,

643
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 5: you can't miss the opportunities when you get them. I

644
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 5: couldn't miss this opportunity to come back and confront this motherfucker.

645
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 5: I literally walked over to the sideline and stood up

646
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 5: over the top of him. If I really walked over

647
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 5: to the side and I stood over top of him,

648
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 5: I say, sit your ass down and enjoy the game.

649
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 5: I say, because if you wasn't in this arena, you

650
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 5: wouldn't be talking like that. So sit down and enjoy

651
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 5: the game. For I smack the shit out you here

652
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 5: in front of your woman, from this woman in front.

653
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,120
Speaker 4: Of his woman.

654
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I smiked it out here in front of your woman.

655
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 5: So like, I understand how Detroit fans could kind of

656
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 5: get under your skin. I ain't had no bell throw

657
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 5: at me.

658
00:27:59,119 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you had no.

659
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 5: But I believe if it would have went a little further,

660
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 5: he would have been the motherfucker that probably would have

661
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 5: tossed to be at all. Right, right, he was one

662
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 5: of those type of dudes, you know what I'm saying.

663
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 5: So I do understand how fans could get under your

664
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 5: skin a little bit. And I ain't even the type

665
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 5: of person that responded that, but that motherfucker wrote me

666
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 5: as soon as I got in the game, you know

667
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.

668
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: I just couldn't take it.

669
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was super unfortunate.

670
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 4: Man.

671
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: It was just like so much was that steak?

672
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

673
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: Another All Star that was that happened in November, So

674
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: now you missed that. Also, I was thirteen before that.

675
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: You missed that second team. That's first team next year,

676
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: the first team. So many things was at stake.

677
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: And on top of it, a fan a fan question

678
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 3: out here, it is a great question. If that doesn't happen,

679
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 3: what do you think the ceiling is for that Pacers team?

680
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: Because that team was great question. I mean like every

681
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: time you saw him on the schedules, like god, I

682
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 3: was loaded.

683
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 1: That team was sick, man, So I got I got

684
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: to imagine there was a championship in there. You know,

685
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: I got you know, the rivalries would have it would

686
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: have been more rivalry. Reason know, my career would have

687
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: been different because you know, when it's your team, is

688
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: your team? Yeah, that's a different that's a different amount

689
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: of shots.

690
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, to be honest, I don't know about that,

691
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: but I could imagine.

692
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 5: I mean I can imagine. I can imagine. I've been

693
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 5: around guys with their team exactly right.

694
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: You know, it's different from taking a comfortable twenty plus shots.

695
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

696
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: Then now you're getting on another team. Now you got

697
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: to ease your way and ta get another twenty plush guys, Yes,

698
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, and then when you get That's why I

699
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: always tell people, don't request trades, man, you want to

700
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: be comfortable and it's going to add to your legacy,

701
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: you know. Then you get, you get moved. Now now

702
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: you're the fourth option. You go from the first to

703
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: the second, then you go to the third. Now you're

704
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: the fifth. It don't matter how good you are, it's

705
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: not your team.

706
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

707
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tell guys all the time, and I repeat it.

708
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 5: You a trade or injury and one coach away from

709
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 5: being an all star role player out of the league.

710
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: It can happen just like that. Or having a big legacy, yeah,

711
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: or having a great legacy happened just like that. So yeah,

712
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: I think I think my ceiling, you know, was was

713
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: was not reached, and I think the team's seiling wasn't reached.

714
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that.

715
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 5: I think, you know, watching watching that team, and like

716
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 5: I said, I just from Afar, you know what I'm saying,

717
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 5: I would have failed in.

718
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: I would have fit in perfect.

719
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 5: I love to watch that team play, and obviously competing

720
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 5: against y'all was a whole nother thing. But you had

721
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 5: the opportunity to do something that I love. And I

722
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 5: just want to ask you this, How was it playing

723
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: at home for you? Going back to New York and

724
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 5: playing in your hometown?

725
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: How was that?

726
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 5: Because I knew I wore that as a Badger honor,

727
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 5: that's like a cry like that, you carry the city

728
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 5: on your back every game. How did that feel for you?

729
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 5: That was to go back home in New York? Well,

730
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 5: I wanted to go to New York from the get go.

731
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 5: I messed that up, But how did you mess it up?

732
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: The Bulls picked you up sixteen Bulls Pitch Me sixteenth,

733
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: which was my favorite team growing up. But I'm from

734
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: New York. So I get a try out with the Knicks.

735
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: I go out the night before. I party hard.

736
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 4: Damn.

737
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: So this game before the draft, there's a legend, so

738
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm partying hard. I get so drunk I can't wake

739
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: up for the next the next workout, I can't wake up.

740
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: So I called.

741
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: I called my agent. I said, listen, I just know

742
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to the Knicks. As the city won.

743
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: What picked did they have?

744
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: Fifteen? So the war right before Chicago, right before Chicago,

745
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: and I was projected to go ten, top ten, but

746
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: and you stayed at Saint John. So it has just

747
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 1: been perfect, perfect time and perfect time in New York.

748
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: Saint John's everything. And then I thought that because I'm

749
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: supposed to be home, that I'm gonna get that second tryout.

750
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: So the next said yeah, all right, yeah we'll get you. Yeah,

751
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: you can come next time. And that second trial never happened.

752
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: I believe if I didn't go out that night and

753
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: get hear me it like I did, you know, I

754
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: think I'm on the Knicks.

755
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: Wow what you got? But you got back there.

756
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: He got back efection in my career, and that was incredible.

757
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: I put on a jersey. I wore fifty one, my

758
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: dad number. There was a lot of emotion that season

759
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: because I wanted to win a title. Now we didn't

760
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: have the team to win a title, but that wasn't

761
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: in my mind. I was even injury. I came off injury,

762
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: but in my mind, it was just so much I

763
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: was trying to accomplish in that one year and it

764
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: didn't work. I got I got released that and half

765
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: halfway through the year. I was so caught up, but

766
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: it was it was And the Knicks note they still

767
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: invite me out and they they involved me to this

768
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: day and make me feel like a Nick. That's awesome,

769
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: which is incredible. So I got the jersey, you know,

770
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: you know some super blessed, super blessed.

771
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 5: I know that's a sense of pride and obviously having

772
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: a chance of represent your pops number because I represent

773
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: my forty because for my father, that's incredible. Yeah, so

774
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: I know that feeling, that's that's a sense of pride.

775
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: But before you go back to the next you play

776
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 3: with the Lakers, Hitt an iconic shot by time shot

777
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: win a championship, talk about talk about that. I mean

778
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: obviously playing with Cob god Rest the soul. We all

779
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: loved its competitors, the stuff that you learned every day

780
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: in practice going against them in the locker room, prepping

781
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 3: for games, like talk about to me, to the biggest

782
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: competitors on the same team, and you guys win a

783
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: championship together and you make a big shot, talk about

784
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: that and what that?

785
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: What that meant to you? You know what your career.

786
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: The first practice, I couldn't wait to get the practice, man,

787
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: I know that feeling. So the first practice, you know,

788
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: coach and Phil Jackson got all these different drills. So

789
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, at some point in time, me and Cobe

790
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: on different teams. Kobe's nice, so I must way more skilled.

791
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: So he you know, he's scoring the rock. You know

792
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: Kobe's going. But in terms of competition, we was clashing

793
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: and it was beautiful. It got to a point where

794
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: I had one outburst in practice because last year I

795
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: was averaging twenty three. Yeah before I was averaging twenty

796
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: five in the playoff against him, you know, and and

797
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: they you know, I was cooking.

798
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: You're in sack the year before Houston, Yeah.

799
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: The player, I was cooking them.

800
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: So I was like you know.

801
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: I told Phil was like saying something. I'm like, you know,

802
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: you can't guard me. You can't guard me. You can't

803
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: guard me.

804
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: You know.

805
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, if we had yeall last year we were

806
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: the beach, y'all got hurt and we had yeall. Yo.

807
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: Phil was like a Rannie, I need you to calm down.

808
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: I said, no, this ain't over to says over there,

809
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm just disrupting the whole practice. And

810
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: then at some point, you know, Phil put me in

811
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: Kobe on the same team because Kobe would push my buttons.

812
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: You know, Phil, Phil was really good. I was pushing you,

813
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: but on purpose, by the way, on purpose coch So

814
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: Phil would push your back for sure. He knew exactly

815
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: how to get you riled up. That's a good he

816
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: could do with anybody. Good coach with anybody. But at

817
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: some point he put me in Kobe on the same team.

818
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: And then me and Kobe was on the same team

819
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: in practice, since that's what we never was on the

820
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: opposite teams.

821
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: Probably never lost either.

822
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: Something.

823
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't love a lot, but sometimes you know,

824
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you get the rookies that coming there.

825
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: You've been thinking, Philip on other day you had to

826
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: back to back. Yeah, that's right.

827
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 5: I know that feeling because when we got when we

828
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 5: got the Big Three, I couldn't wait to get the practice.

829
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: You ain't lived.

830
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 5: I could not wait to get the practice. But against

831
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 5: Chris Bosh, it was it was nothing that no disrespect,

832
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 5: but I'm just I'm up for the challenge.

833
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I wish our.

834
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 2: Practice is elite, brother.

835
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: Elite, elite. It was elite. D Wade Bron going out

836
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 4: we had.

837
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: But we had veteran dudes who who like even our

838
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: bench was veteran, right, So, and when you brought it

839
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: in there, like everybody wanted to play.

840
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: You know how it is. You have to play. Get

841
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 2: on championship teams. There's sacrificed. Everyone has to sacrifice.

842
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: Somebody's sitting out nobody. I miss the days where you

843
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: want to practice.

844
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: It was a practice for more more fun for us.

845
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: And he passed tape braced mouthpieces.

846
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: To hear about that. I heard, pat One, you had

847
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: to be taped. Yes, you don't like tape. I gotta

848
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: get taped.

849
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: You would have probably got it. You probably.

850
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 6: Whatever you wanted. You his type of guy, you his

851
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 6: type of guy. Whatever you want to know. He wouldn't

852
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 6: have bothered you. You his type of guy fit right

853
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 6: into the culture. Yeah, you would have taped. Yeah, we

854
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 6: did have up.

855
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 4: I heard we call that ship hunger game pie. We

856
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 4: call it hunger games.

857
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: Mouth piece of whistle blows, whistle blows, knee pads up,

858
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 3: mouthpieces in starts practice, hunger game.

859
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: He pads up, he pads up mouth pieces.

860
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 4: Every practice.

861
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: They'll come by, like I wore spats, Yes, and it was.

862
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: They come by and tap, make sure your knee pads

863
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: are on.

864
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: It is listen, it's that.

865
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: It's the motherfucking jungle until every until Lebron James just

866
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 5: started doing ship that nobody ain't seen it can't do before.

867
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 5: And then everybody just stopped the was and now we

868
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 5: competing everybody at the highest level, everybody class and class

869
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 5: and classes. We at the highest level we can possibly

870
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 5: go to. And this motherfucker go to another level in

871
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 5: another level.

872
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: He had. Man, you know you've been a bar of

873
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: a championship team. Yeah, part three of them. I was

874
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: fortunate to do two of them. You see it.

875
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: Like I always tell you, coaching is great, Believe me,

876
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: coaching is phenomenal, But coaching is your best player. In

877
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: my opinion, if you're if your breast player brings it

878
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: and says it sets the tone every single day, games, practices, flights,

879
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. Every day that man our practice man

880
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: were that man came to work.

881
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he came to work.

882
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 5: I mean by the time practice thought, he was already

883
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 5: at two hours, two hours and rode to ten speed.

884
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: Yes, it's coming on speed.

885
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 5: I've been in the weight room for forty five minutes.

886
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 5: Now you're on the table getting stretched. Now practice started.

887
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 5: This man ready to rock.

888
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: If you're one of us, you know what I mean,

889
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 2: like ship okay, it just right, I haven't.

890
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's incredible. That's incredible to him man, because

891
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: you don't really hit about the practices.

892
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 5: And then the guys that weren't in the rotation, like

893
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: when me and h weren't in a rotation, we was

894
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 5: upstairs playing.

895
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 4: Two on twos, one on ones and three on three.

896
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: That's incredible.

897
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 5: I mean, it's the competition just to keep the juices flowing,

898
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 5: staying at it for sure.

899
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 3: Let's go back to that three. We didn't talk about

900
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: your three. I'm telling you I can vividly remember the three.

901
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 4: Remember it too.

902
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: It's like seriously talk about it because those are those

903
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: are moments I don't care like, those are things people

904
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: could never take away from anybody.

905
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: It was crazy, so that that that so it was

906
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: It was a jab yep three, real simple, But that

907
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: was that was a move that Chuck Person taught me.

908
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: We was in a gym going over that time after time,

909
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: Larry Bird tome after time before I could shoot, you know,

910
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: and then you leave this, you leave these teams and

911
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: you just keep working on your game and it's like

912
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: now it's like clockwork. Yes, you know, you're not really

913
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: thinking about it much. It was interesting because I never been.

914
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: To the finals before, right, that was your first finals.

915
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: That was my first and never final, never been again,

916
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: so I didn't really know. I didn't really know what

917
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: it was like. So in two thousand and eight, I

918
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: actually went to go watch the Celtics versus the Lakers

919
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: because I needed to see how it peel. And I'm like,

920
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: if I get to the finals, I don't want to loose.

921
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: I want to see the atmosphere. So I was and

922
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: I was in the building when they lost Game six.

923
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is how it's gonna be. Right,

924
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 1: So now you know you get you get to this game.

925
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: And in May I said fish. I was talking to

926
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: Fishing and Power in the back of the bus and

927
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, how come every time it's a big shot,

928
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: like y'all knock it down? I was talking to I'm like,

929
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm like.

930
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: How do you how do you do that?

931
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: He's in the back of the bus and he was like, Yo,

932
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: you're serious. I said, yo, serious, Like every time it's

933
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: a big shot is going there?

934
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 4: Like what do you?

935
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: He was He was talking me through the emotional part.

936
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: I was really listening because I wanted to be be

937
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: one of those type of players, you know. And then

938
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: so that that also had a lot to do with it,

939
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, I felt comfortable. And then also in the

940
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: game six, we was down three to two and then

941
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: Phil came to me. He said, yo, he said, Ron,

942
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: I need you to score the rock. And I was like,

943
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: really be cause I was only shooting three times a game.

944
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: That my mindset, I'm not getting more than four shots

945
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: because you know, Kobe on the team, you know, you

946
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: got to you gotta deal with it.

947
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta deal with it.

948
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: And I said word, I said, perfect game. I was like,

949
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: perfect game six.

950
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 2: Never asked.

951
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: That's that you never asked with Kobe on the team.

952
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: But so game six I had eighteen, the game seven

953
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: I had twenty. And it was real simple, just staying

954
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: to flow. I didn't shoot with all that game, but

955
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: I was shooting every open shot.

956
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: Yes, it was.

957
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: It was rhythm shooting. I didn't understand that. I didn't

958
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: understand you got to take shots that's in rhythm, even

959
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: if it's missing offensive rebounds, flow of the team. So

960
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: it was just like it could have missed, it went in,

961
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, and Kobe just threw it to the side.

962
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: And that's that's right.

963
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: You said that, Like you said, it was a It

964
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: was a simple shot, but nothing simple time to score

965
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: in the NBA finals, man.

966
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: And you didn't shoot well that game. That's the thing.

967
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 5: When you don't shoot well and you get one of

968
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 5: the you get the get one of the game, you

969
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 5: get a game winning shot from one of the greatest

970
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 5: players in the game. Some people don't want that moment.

971
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 5: Some people don't want that moment and they might hesitate,

972
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: wait long, wait wrong, or they might get off it.

973
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying that I think that you

974
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 5: should give yourself more credit. You know, what I'm saying.

975
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: I know it was.

976
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: I know to us that's routine and all that, but man,

977
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 5: a lot of times guys don't want that moment.

978
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: Hey, that NBA finals juice is different juice.

979
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: I thought we could have went more, but the dynamics

980
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: was wild. Yeah, but I definitely wanted that.

981
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: Mom We said, the dynamics for a wild. Talk to

982
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: me about that. What do you mean?

983
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think because after Kobe got five,

984
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 1: he wanted number six. You you saw it in his eyes,

985
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He wanted number six.

986
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: And so.

987
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: It was games where we was up after that finals,

988
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, up you know, seven points, you know,

989
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: up up ten points for a minute left, and instead

990
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: of like just letting it happened naturally get to the finals,

991
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I think Kobe wanted it too much. And then the

992
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: league was just we lose Game one, were up seven,

993
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: We lose Game one, same thing in game two, we

994
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: up whatever, dang, we lose game two. Now we're in Dallas,

995
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: down two, we get swept. Next year we play against Okac,

996
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 1: we up, you know, And I think Kobe he really

997
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: wanted number six. And I know if you would got

998
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: number six we're talking about it's a tie for the goat.

999
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: I think he's really I think he wanted it a

1000
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: little too much.

1001
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: Who's your goat? Then, because you just brought it up,

1002
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: who's your goat?

1003
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Mike honestly, you know what I'm saying.

1004
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: I think Mike is incredible. Yeah, you know, Mike is incredible.

1005
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: Will Chamblin is incredible. People can't say what they want,

1006
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: but yeah.

1007
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: So so Mike, So Mike, then Kobe in your opinion,

1008
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: basically he said that, Mike, Kobe.

1009
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm going Will second, Will second. Yeah, I'm going I

1010
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: think when Lebron careers over, I think when you crunch

1011
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: the numbers, yeah, I think when you crunch all the numbers,

1012
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna read Lebron number one.

1013
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 3: He goes he's gonna be top five, and I said

1014
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: he's gonna be top five in every major statistical category,

1015
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: which is crazy to me, you know, But it's long.

1016
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: Jevy's a part of it, right, and he's been successful,

1017
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: and he did what he had to do.

1018
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: But he did what he had to do.

1019
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: And Will Chandlain had numbers. He played thirteen seasons. Mike

1020
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: got sick, Mike did what he had, Bron has an

1021
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: impossible conversation.

1022
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you sit here say this about every I'm like,

1023
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: damn you right. To me, MJ was my favorite player

1024
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: growing up and it's period point.

1025
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 5: But the only reason why MJ is my goat is because,

1026
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 5: like he said, we watched him growing up. Me and

1027
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 5: I'm older than Bron. He can't be my goat, how

1028
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 5: old it can't. I'm a little biased towards Broun.

1029
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: I love Bron. I always give. When Bron won his

1030
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: first title, man, I actually was on Instagram. I posted

1031
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: how happy I was because the pressure he had as

1032
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old. No, I was expecting this seventeen

1033
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: year old to knock down game winning shots and it

1034
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: was just killing him and he overcame it. But he

1035
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: did give me twenty five his first game ever playing

1036
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: against me inside, and that still eat me to I mean,

1037
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: as a competitive that, I can't Yeah this as a competitive.

1038
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 4: We get over that. We don't get over that.

1039
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 5: I mean, I remember, like I said, like you said

1040
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 5: that you lost to Dallas, and you know, the first

1041
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 5: thing I'm thinking about is dirt and whiskey and how

1042
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 5: he's playing and the games that I've played against him

1043
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 5: and how he's played against me, and I'm thinking about

1044
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 5: those matchups, and I'm getting playing those matchups in my

1045
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 5: head already getting ready to go into the finals the

1046
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 5: next year when y'all have OKC and then y'all lose

1047
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 5: the OKAC. I think I felt what we were saying

1048
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 5: is whoever beat the Lakers, that's probably who we got

1049
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 5: who we got to deal with in the finals. So

1050
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 5: when we're watching these guys and were worried about these matchups,

1051
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: like you playing those and when somebody get the best of.

1052
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: You, I lose sleep at night. I literally lose sleep

1053
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: at night when somebody got the best of me.

1054
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: Killer.

1055
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 5: I'll tell you it's crazy. I can mess up one player,

1056
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 5: one situation that keeps me up at night.

1057
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1058
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, we talk about Kobe. It's another fan question,

1059
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: all right. Favorite thing about playing with Kobe.

1060
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about playing with Kobe it's seeing him

1061
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: prepare you know, just you know he'll be in a gym.

1062
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: First.

1063
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: I was normally in the gym last. I was always

1064
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: the last one the leaguer. I always watch people who

1065
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: are in the gym and I'm like, okay, he ain't

1066
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: leave me yet. I men, sure, nobody in the gym.

1067
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: Now you're all clear. But Kobe was first putting a

1068
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: ton of work early early summertimes. He's he's there at

1069
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: five thirty in the summertime. I had to go test

1070
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: that out because I would go out. I would go

1071
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: to the gym after the clubs. I'm in there like

1072
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: two am. I'm in the gym, swearting off the alcohol.

1073
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1074
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: But I'm in the gym. You know, I'm for showing

1075
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: the gym, you know, I for sure. But he was

1076
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: in there at five thirty. One day, I went in

1077
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: at eight. He was getting in this car, you know,

1078
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: met what up?

1079
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm out.

1080
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: He's in the red his red rage rope. I'm like,

1081
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: where are you going here? I'm done? So next day

1082
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: I got there at five. I was way from them.

1083
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to see I wanted to I want to

1084
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: see it. I only saw it once he was working,

1085
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, he was working. And then to see him

1086
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: in Boston game five, get twenty five straight points. At

1087
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: one point I was just watching him and I'm like

1088
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm watching I'm like, this is incredible. Were trying to

1089
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: win a championship. But I'm like, you know, for a

1090
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: couple of possessions, I'm like, Yo, this, this dude is incredible.

1091
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: I had to wake up. I I had to wake up.

1092
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: But for a couple of possessions, I just was watching

1093
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: him like, Yo, this is He's like, this is Jesus, Like,

1094
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: who gets twenty five straight points?

1095
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy, that's that's that's crazy.

1096
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

1097
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: That's insane.

1098
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: Lebron did that yeah in Detroit.

1099
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

1100
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: That's funny because that Kobe stuff you're talking about. I

1101
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 3: was fortunate to playing the USA basketball team and O

1102
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: six that went to Vegas, and I always prided myself

1103
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 3: on being there early because I didn't have the physical

1104
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: tools a lot of people had, so I had outwork

1105
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: people and and for me to make shots and moments

1106
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: that we were just talking about, I had to prepare,

1107
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 3: prepare myself for those moments. And I always prepared myself

1108
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 3: for it, like we'd have praxity eleven or ten or

1109
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: whatever it is, and I'd show up an hour and

1110
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 3: a half.

1111
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: Two hours early.

1112
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: Kobe's in a dripping sweat by the time I get there.

1113
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: I was the same way you were. I was like, yo,

1114
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 3: hold up, I talking on the side.

1115
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: What time he get here?

1116
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 3: I got to come see this, you know what I mean,

1117
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 3: because I learned that whole thing from Reggie. Reggie Miller

1118
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: my first year in the league. I come into Indiana

1119
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 3: one of the seas and coaches with me, says, see,

1120
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 3: that's what you need to do. Reggie was just getting

1121
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: done and second bus are our first bus is coming in.

1122
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: He's already done, already done. So I started my routine

1123
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: based on what Reggie did. You was getting there early,

1124
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: So I started.

1125
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 4: Now.

1126
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 3: I started taking back you know, no ubers back in

1127
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: our old days, you know what I mean. So I

1128
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: was taking cabs early. But that was the thing I

1129
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 3: remember about Kobe. Obviously I've learned it through Reggie here,

1130
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: but Kobe the same thing like he was. He was

1131
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 3: just a workhorse to me, man like, yeah, and that's

1132
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: to me, that's the thing that I remember most about

1133
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 3: Kobe for sure.

1134
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And at the end of his career, you know,

1135
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: me and Kobe never went out to lunch or dinner.

1136
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: Me and Jamaine went out to lunch for the first

1137
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: time in fourteen years in twenty eighteen, and we were

1138
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: and he always reach out. Jamaine is a good dude.

1139
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: That's what.

1140
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: That was my fault, by the way. Yeah, but then

1141
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: Jamaine will always say you're met. Because after I got

1142
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: a practice, I'm so emotional. I don't want to talk

1143
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: to nobody. Jamaine know something wrong, Yo yo yo yo,

1144
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: You're run. Let's go get some lunch. It's like, nah,

1145
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good, but I'm really not. So we

1146
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: sitting down in Oakland and we's like, man, don't you

1147
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: this is our first time ever having lunch in fourteen years. Wow,

1148
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: we clicked on the court. I can execut. I could

1149
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: execute the best of them. So I don't, you know,

1150
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: need to be your friend execute you know. But it

1151
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: was like, wow, in fourteen years, my first time having lunch.

1152
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: And then Kobe's last year we had dinner. You see

1153
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: Kobe smilling, he knew his career was over. I've never

1154
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: seen that side of him. Wow, he's playing, He's joking

1155
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: with the rookies. Krobe never joke with no rookies. It

1156
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: was really good to see that side of him, you know,

1157
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: have some shots, have a good time. I'm glad I

1158
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: got a chance to experience that with him.

1159
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 4: That's dope.

1160
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: That dope.

1161
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: You guys have brought up the word enforcer a lot

1162
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: up here. Is the enforcer still one? Is enforcer still

1163
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 3: in the league? And is what Draymond and them doing,

1164
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: What Draymond's doing right now, is that enforcing or what

1165
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: do y'all call that?

1166
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: I mean?

1167
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 5: I think I considered Draymond an enforcer because I think

1168
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 5: enforcer is not just protect the guys, but they also

1169
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 5: connect the locker room, you know what I'm saying. So

1170
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 5: the locker room is connected by guys like myself and run.

1171
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. We're gonna keep everybody together.

1172
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 5: We might be a little we might go off the

1173
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 5: hanges a little bit, but we mean the best and

1174
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 5: we got the best intentions. So just bring us back,

1175
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 5: give us, be a little patient with us, you know

1176
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. But I think Draymond is an enforcer,

1177
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 5: and I think he's a locker room guy, so I

1178
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 5: think he has the right intentions, you know what I'm saying.

1179
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: The more and more I think about it, it's like

1180
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 5: league a little soft now man can get away with it.

1181
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 5: And if they gonna if they're gonna let you punk them,

1182
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 5: then go ahead and punk them.

1183
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 4: You're not gonna let you punk him. Go ahead and

1184
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 4: punk him.

1185
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 5: The more I think about it, if you know what

1186
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 5: I'm saying, So, I mean, yeah, I think it's an

1187
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 5: enforcer for Shure, you know what I mean. I looked

1188
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 5: at it from a different angle. I was like, yeah,

1189
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 5: he know who he messing with. But now I'm like,

1190
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 5: they letting him punk him, so might as well. I

1191
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 5: mean that's part of the game.

1192
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 4: I think.

1193
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 5: You know, me and Ron, the way we approach the

1194
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 5: game is that we would intimidate you, but we didn't

1195
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 5: say nothing.

1196
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 4: It wasn't with our words. It was just with our approach.

1197
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 4: That was the way we looked at you.

1198
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 5: Sometimes it was the way we compete, you know what

1199
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: I'm saying, The way we're gonna come at you that game.

1200
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 5: You you might think it's personal. We don't even know

1201
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 5: you what it is personal, you know what I'm saying. So,

1202
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 5: you know, I think what Draymond is doing is getting

1203
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 5: away with what they gonna let him get away with.

1204
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 5: And if he's an enforcing and and he's able to

1205
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 5: make that mental turn, because I watch him the other

1206
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 5: day against Nurkiics. Again, yeah, I think Draymond won that

1207
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 5: mental battle. You know what I'm saying. I think he

1208
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 5: won that mental battle. So I see the mental game

1209
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 5: that he's playing as well.

1210
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I definitely see him as an enforcer,

1211
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: but he's also a winner. Yes, sure, he's more of

1212
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 1: a winner than an enforcer.

1213
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 4: You know.

1214
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: He Sometimes I get a little I feel a little

1215
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: bad because I feel like he's given himself a bad name.

1216
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: He's tarnishing his legacy. But not really, he just got

1217
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: to deal with n T or whatever. Not really, you know,

1218
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: but one would say that, you know some of some

1219
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: of the antics because I've experienced that, you know, where

1220
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: people don't want to work with you. So that's something

1221
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see the Draymond. I think he's

1222
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: an elite winner. He's strong, he's wiry, definitely an enforced.

1223
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: He definitely got He's definitely a missing a screw like

1224
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: definitely but missing the screw. They let o g missing

1225
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: the screw.

1226
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, they let him do it.

1227
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 3: At the end of the day's much says, I'm an

1228
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 3: elite winner. I've wanted life.

1229
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an elite winner, winner.

1230
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: That's all you winner know.

1231
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 5: That's a great point. I love the fact that how

1232
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 5: you how you how you you know, broke it down.

1233
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 5: It's like he's more of a winner than an enforcer,

1234
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 5: but he definitely has that enforcing capability and he keeps

1235
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 5: the locker room together. I think it's a fine line

1236
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 5: with those type of guys, but you need those guys

1237
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 5: now you definitely team player.

1238
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: Moved the ball on the screen and roll, the slipping,

1239
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: the all that little stuff. He's he's doing all the

1240
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: little things that you should do, which is like that's

1241
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: way more impressive to me just watching him, you know,

1242
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: watching him work. I don't know who else was in

1243
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: the force. I mean might be an enforcer at times.

1244
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, he'd be dunking on people head.

1245
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: What you think about that if.

1246
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 5: He is an enforcer, because he probably ain't gonna go

1247
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 5: in no more locker rooms after Indiana winning got JJ

1248
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 5: were going to that locker room.

1249
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go ahead. James Johnson.

1250
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 1: James Johnson that was chess sat his finest. As soon

1251
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: as he listen, he could get out. Before he could

1252
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: get out in that locker room with that basketball Indian.

1253
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 4: That had James j J. L speed.

1254
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: What did Carlile say, Carlos, that was classic.

1255
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 5: Locker room mate that could never happen back in our day. Listen,

1256
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 5: I know we listen, We'll have told you asked the

1257
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 5: pieces here that came out.

1258
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 4: No way.

1259
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 5: Can you imagine another player from another team walking in

1260
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 5: your locker room after the game run for basketball.

1261
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 1: I would have been in the shower and I would

1262
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: have heard Steve say, you would have been like everything smashing, crashing.

1263
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: I would have got off the.

1264
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: Shower like, Steve, what happened? You have to get somebody

1265
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: up out of here?

1266
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 2: What's what's the night?

1267
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 4: Get away with that? Come in my house? No, No,

1268
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 4: you would not under no circumstances.

1269
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 2: A different games of all the years you played. Give

1270
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: me your list of your five toughest.

1271
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: Covers, five toughest rip Hamilton, and they're all.

1272
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: Probably for different reasons. Ripped just conditioning wise, like he

1273
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: never stopped.

1274
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: Because I had to guard him, even though Reggie Wild

1275
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: gart him. But it always came back to me. And

1276
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: at this point I said, okay, guys, my tracked shoes on.

1277
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have no energy for office.

1278
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: And that team was nice, five all stars that yes,

1279
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: I track shoes are on.

1280
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: Whatever, whatever, I gotta do for the team, young kids

1281
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: at home, whatever I got to do for the team,

1282
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: young kids at home to win.

1283
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm willing to do.

1284
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: Nothing. I couldn't do nothing else. My track, shoes is on.

1285
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 4: Whatever I have to do to win. I love no rep.

1286
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: You know Rep.

1287
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: I had to check him to that was oh my goodness,

1288
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: that tight curl the mid range, My goodness. Then you

1289
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: got to chase him back.

1290
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 5: And the hardest part about that not that not to

1291
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 5: cut you off with, the hardest part about that is

1292
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 5: you got she the one setting and so as a

1293
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 5: big you got a head man. Yeah, but with me

1294
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 5: it was she because so I had the hedge that

1295
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 5: was she would pop back to the three. So now

1296
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 5: I got a hedge on on you know, rip coming

1297
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 5: off that that floppy ready to get a hedge and

1298
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 5: then get back to shoes and pop back to the

1299
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 5: three him I was shooting.

1300
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I ever to do a floppy year hit man.

1301
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: That was such a time.

1302
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 2: Even touched the rock.

1303
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 4: That was such a tough so ripped so rips, one

1304
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 4: of them ripped one.

1305
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: I would say, uh, lebron, mm hmm, I'll put Lebron too,

1306
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: because we built similar about the same weight. You know,

1307
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: I think he's a little heavier maybe, but he's weight.

1308
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: He jumped high and he's way faster. And that was

1309
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: any smart, yes, and so he had too many different

1310
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: tools and that that was that that was tough. I

1311
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: would say, Kobe Kobe on Lebron to Kobe might be up.

1312
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: There, but you don't have to put him in order.

1313
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: Just five five guys. Yeah, Kobe mentally there are all

1314
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: different reasons.

1315
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: All different reasons. Kobe mentally wre on you. Kobe not

1316
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: going to just give up. You ain't gonna just Kobe, yeah,

1317
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: no matter how hard you work.

1318
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 2: So obviously I was never known as a defender. Let's

1319
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 2: put that out there. But I think the thing that

1320
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: was with Kobe because like like I said that, all

1321
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: these are different, right, like rip your new track shoes on,

1322
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: we're going five We're at least.

1323
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 3: Going five miles tonight. That's what you had for sure.

1324
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: Lebron was downhill at you all the time. Are you

1325
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: gonna take that beat tonight?

1326
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 2: Right?

1327
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: Kobe was Kobe was what you said? The mental side,

1328
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 3: like I always felt like I, okay, I'm playing decent defense.

1329
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: For Shure Man, Like what the hell I'm supposed to do?

1330
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 4: Man like?

1331
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: So he was demoralizing, Like you said, you had to

1332
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 3: be mentally like, your endurance mentally had to be ridiculous.

1333
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: For sure, is he gonna get you for fifty? He

1334
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: was trying to get fifty on you every night.

1335
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: Yo. My goal was not to let him get over forty.

1336
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm not gonna lie, no, no,

1337
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: but that's you know the feeling. Yeah, I'm like he

1338
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: was happy. Do you mean maybe maybe once or twice? Yeah,

1339
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: it was mostly thirty two thirty five. You know. That's

1340
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: my goal is like, how can I keep him up?

1341
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: So I gotta keep working. I'm not gonna stop working. Yeah,

1342
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: you guys, and if you stopped working, that's sixty.

1343
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, he gonna keep going. Yeah he ain't shay, Yeah,

1344
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 4: he gonna keep going incredible.

1345
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: That's three.

1346
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: Yep, that's three.

1347
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: So I said, uh, Jordan ja him was older, but

1348
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: you can tell he was nice. Yes, yeah, you can tell.

1349
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: You played against Jordan.

1350
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 5: I ain't catch but I watched you watched he had

1351
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 5: caught him his last season.

1352
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: They caught him last too.

1353
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: Okay, so that that second season before the last one

1354
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: Jordan was nice.

1355
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: He was and he was still getting that huh oh yeah.

1356
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: And then I would say it was part of for.

1357
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: Me too, like Guard. It was like damn Guard Jordan

1358
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 2: years old.

1359
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was nice that I would say, Okay, hmmm,

1360
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: mellow one of those guys.

1361
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 4: I would say.

1362
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: I didn't really have many problems with a lot of players, honestly,

1363
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,359
Speaker 1: but if I had to say five, that's hard to say.

1364
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 4: I get it.

1365
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: I get it people people did they thing. Yeah, but

1366
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't you know, at one point in time, I

1367
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: was really comfortable. You know, I didn't have to do

1368
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: much to stop people, you know, but yeah, I get it.

1369
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 4: No, I get it for sure. For sure.

1370
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 3: There's another there's another question out here. I've never I

1371
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: didn't even know what happened. It says fan question, why

1372
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 3: did you hit Harden?

1373
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: Look that that was that was I shout out the harder.

1374
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 2: I like Harden. So when did this happen? Hold on,

1375
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: dumb this down for me?

1376
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: This is like, this is maybe twenty fourteen. So I

1377
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: was playing. I was playing very well because as a Laker,

1378
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: I was averaging eight points my first year, you know,

1379
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: I was There was a lot of shots So I

1380
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: had one particular season when I was averaging twelve. That's

1381
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 1: like averaging twenty.

1382
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 4: You ain't getting those. I was having a great season.

1383
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: I was playing against Oka, see when I had sixteen.

1384
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: The first half, I was cooking. I had a couple

1385
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 1: couple of dunks, and I had about three dunks that game,

1386
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: So I got I was. I never dunk really hardly ever,

1387
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: so I was super excited.

1388
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,439
Speaker 2: Two of us go ahead, you know what I'm saying.

1389
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: I got a little weak dunk all up, you know,

1390
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: and I banged it. And then so as I dunked it,

1391
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: I got really excited, uh in the arena like so

1392
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 1: then hardened and this is why Harden don't really probably

1393
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: talk about this.

1394
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 4: But he was following me.

1395
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm dunking to the crowd and hard this

1396
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: is coming. And he shoved me my back, so at

1397
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: this point he didn't It wasn't a hard show. But

1398
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I was trying to say, like, you know,

1399
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: get up off me, you know what I mean. And

1400
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: then I didn't know who it was, you know what

1401
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean. And then then unfortunately it was harder than

1402
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: you know. Luckily it wasn't a bad blow, but it

1403
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: was definitely it looked bad.

1404
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looked bad.

1405
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: It looked.

1406
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 4: I remember that.

1407
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: But it looked like it made a ton of contact.

1408
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: But it was like it was no knots, you know

1409
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: what I mean. But it looked like that.

1410
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 2: On his head, his head leaves. It leads me to

1411
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: that Isaiah Stewart stuff that just happened. You Banks and

1412
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: Isaiah Stewart. I don't know either, but you said something to.

1413
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: Me before we got out here that that copee off

1414
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 3: guard you said, which I thought was hilarious.

1415
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: By the way, it's better to hit them on the

1416
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 2: floor than off the floor.

1417
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: I learned, it's better to be on the floor. I

1418
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 1: had to take the brawl back. I would have just

1419
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: been on the floor.

1420
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1421
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't ever suspended for you, and you know, and

1422
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: you know I much rather have a five game suspension

1423
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: than the eighty two games suspension.

1424
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 3: You think that's going to Do you think that that

1425
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: suspension was warned? Do you think eighty two games was warned?

1426
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: I think there was under a lot of pressure. Yeah,

1427
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody ever saw, you know, somebody pretermorson.

1428
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: The first thing that happens. All the times are worse.

1429
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think they like what they had

1430
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: to do. They had no choice. Now I don't think

1431
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: it was fair, but I also think they adn't have

1432
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: a choice.

1433
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: By the way I look back at it, By the

1434
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: way a Ben Wallas route, our test fight would have

1435
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 3: been freaking pay per view.

1436
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't want to see that.

1437
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: I don't want to see you.

1438
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 4: I don't want to see that at all.

1439
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: It leads us to your prize picks.

1440
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, prize picks Top five enforces by O G

1441
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 5: U D don't yeah first first first and what mostly

1442
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 5: gonna go with the O G. Charles Oakley, Oh yeah, yeah,

1443
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,919
Speaker 5: with that smoke still the day, Yes, yeah, you better

1444
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 5: not run up or with that bullshit still today.

1445
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: No, I was playing a video game. Oak is my vet.

1446
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm playing a video game two K getting

1447
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: ready for the game. I mean, I had I was

1448
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: in a slump.

1449
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: This is Chicago.

1450
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: It's is Chicago. I was in a slump. So I'm

1451
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: trying to give myself mentioned up the slump. So I'm

1452
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: playing with myself. I'm like, dang, he nice. So I

1453
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 1: get into the game. I'm playing well in the game.

1454
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just you know, I'm nice looking.

1455
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: Nice.

1456
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: So one day I was playing Oak smack me in

1457
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: the back of the head. He's like, I'm like, who

1458
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 1: the oh?

1459
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 4: Ship that was?

1460
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Oh he's smacked me. But you're playing on games before

1461
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: before the game, I said, I'm trying to get ready

1462
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: for the game. He smacked me in the back of

1463
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: the head again.

1464
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: That was the last.

1465
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: That was the last of me playing video game.

1466
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: This is too good, said, I was struggling. I was struggling.

1467
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: So I was playing myself in the video game. Get

1468
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: myself gassed up.

1469
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 4: I'm a hooper.

1470
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: Sure, don't wait to see a shot down.

1471
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 2: Man.

1472
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 5: Two, I'm gonna go around our test. That's right, obviously.

1473
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 5: Three Ben Wallace for u D.

1474
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: That's right.

1475
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: Five go James Johnson, James Johnson, James James is the

1476
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: day with my dog JJH. I might put him number one.

1477
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: This ain't in no particular order, This ain't no particular

1478
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: That ship real for shure. I said it in action,

1479
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: I said, j put hands on.

1480
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,479
Speaker 2: You gotta tell me about that story.

1481
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 4: That ship was quick.

1482
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 5: Well, you know we're in the jungle with the heat man.

1483
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 5: We you know, we let people get shipp off their chest.

1484
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 5: Like you said earlier, you got to get it out

1485
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 5: so we can move on. So we're playing upstairs, were

1486
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 5: playing pick up and JJ and one of the guys

1487
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 5: going at it, and Jack get the dude called JJ

1488
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 5: a bitch. JJ looked at him and said, you got

1489
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 5: to see me after practice. That's all said. When somebody

1490
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 5: give you a one liner like that, they mean shit,

1491
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 5: you got to see me after practice. Was like, oh shit,

1492
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 5: y'all heard JJ got that ship going, but we ain't

1493
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 5: really know. So I say, listen, y'all gonna get this

1494
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 5: ship out. We're gonna hash it out. It was me

1495
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 5: and d waves, y'all gonna get that ship over with. Man,

1496
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 5: we ain't coming to practice tomorrow, beef, and we ain't

1497
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 5: gonna y'all go downstairs.

1498
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 4: Man, listen to here. That fight last bout thirty three seconds.

1499
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: Wrong.

1500
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 5: JJ might have hit his ass on the head thirty

1501
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 5: three times in thirty three seconds a second. One of

1502
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 5: our young fellas, hey put he wore your fello ass up.

1503
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 5: Y'all right, I love young fellow.

1504
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 4: You know who it is.

1505
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 5: JJ pulled that boy ass up so quick, broke it up.

1506
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 5: JJ's little bloody nose whatever I say, now, y'all, hug

1507
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 5: that ship out and that ship over with. Hugged that

1508
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 5: ship out and that ship over there.

1509
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 4: We moved on. But I seen you first hand that

1510
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 4: that ship is real.

1511
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,480
Speaker 1: Man. That heat culture different. Listen, it's a little bit.

1512
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of street culture too. Heat coaches.

1513
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of street coachure. But what I

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Speaker 1: did know is JJ wasn't gonna let that man call

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Speaker 1: him a bitch and get away with it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That's what I did

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Speaker 4: know for sure.

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Speaker 5: You know, as me as a captain, understanding that it's

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Speaker 5: better to kind of get this situation over with so

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Speaker 5: we can move forward. Then just let it carry on

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Speaker 5: throughout the season. And now we got issues in the

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Speaker 5: locker room. You know what I'm saying. If they could

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01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 5: have let Jordan Pool and the Draymond square off in

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Speaker 5: the ring and get that ship out, might.

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Speaker 2: Have been able to say the season probably want to

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Speaker 2: last very long.

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Speaker 4: Now asked im.

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Speaker 2: Out.

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Speaker 4: But I'm just saying it would have got over What

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Speaker 4: if what if.

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Speaker 3: Your fellow you have forty five minutes eleven practice and

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Speaker 3: j J looks at you said you have to see

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Speaker 3: me after practice.

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Speaker 2: Man, one should practice.

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Speaker 4: Man, listen, I'm gonna tell you something.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: You feel ain't back down?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 4: Oh he didn't back down?

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Speaker 2: Yeah he was with just didn't that just didn't then

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Speaker 2: well yeah, it just didn't then.

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Speaker 1: Well, but even back down, shout out the young fellow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah he back down. He took it as like a

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Speaker 5: man too. Yeah, he hugged it out, took it like

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Speaker 5: a man.

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Speaker 2: The next day, it was like nothing happened.

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Speaker 1: That happened.

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Speaker 5: You know that growing up in the hood all the time,

1549
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Speaker 5: you fight with your homeboys and y'all get up next

1550
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Speaker 5: day and play ball like nothing never ha show. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's how you bill bond. That's bonding. We call that

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01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 5: bonding in the hood. Killer yeah, man, just bonding.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's we.

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Speaker 2: Didn't bind like that in South to Corot m better

1555
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 4: You gotta get it out, man, you gotta get it out.

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Speaker 2: We grust you well. Listen, man, we appreciate you coming

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01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: in for real, true o G And I just want.

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Speaker 5: To say one thing. You know what I'm saying. Your

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Speaker 5: evolution sure for me. I love to see it. I

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01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 5: appreciate it. You know what I'm saying. We only got

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01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 5: a certain amount of time to talk. But you're coaching

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01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 5: girls basketball now, yeah, I'm saying, so congratulations on that,

1564
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Speaker 5: my brother. Congratulations on the evolution. Understanding that you know

1565
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Speaker 5: what I'm saying, that you could be better and now

1566
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 5: there was another level you can get to to be

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01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 5: the best version of yourself. When I've seen you pushing

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Speaker 5: towards that. So, man, thank you for inspiring me. Somebody

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01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 5: else who got a screw loose understand that. You know

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. We are

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01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 5: good people and we have good intentions. So thank you,

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Speaker 5: bro for coming on the show, and thank you for

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Speaker 5: evolving and doing everything you do and being an ultimate competitor. Man,

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Speaker 5: I always love competing against you though, ultimate competitor for real.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, And I've seen the show. I've been watching the show,

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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm happy you're getting into you got right

1577
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: into it. Shout out to your Jersey retirement. That's right,

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Speaker 1: that's incredible. What wealth serve you know? And yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Man. Oh G's out Tune in tuesdays. Man,

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Speaker 2: We're out