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Speaker 1: Happy Monday, everyone, and welcome inside with the Insiders alongside

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Speaker 1: Mike Herrat Follo, Ian Rappaport, and Judy Batiste. I am

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Speaker 1: Tom Pellisio. This is our Monday podcast edition, breaking down

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Speaker 1: all things from Sunday across the NFL. If you are

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Speaker 1: get into what we saw out of the games on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: but we are all hands on deck today for massive

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Speaker 1: news out of New York.

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Speaker 2: Ian Rappaport, do you first have.

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Speaker 1: The news Brian Dable out as Giants coach, a move that,

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Speaker 1: while it felt inevitable, you never know exactly how the

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Speaker 1: timing of these.

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Speaker 2: Things are going to go.

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Speaker 1: New York after three and a half seasons, moving on

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Speaker 1: and embarking on yet another search for a new head coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say a frustrating season in many respects,

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Speaker 3: not all respects, but many respects for the New York Giants.

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Speaker 3: You're right, this did feel inevitable, and the Giants have

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Speaker 3: now just made it official with a statement from John

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Speaker 3: Maratom I'll let you read that in a second, saying

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Speaker 3: Brian Dable has in fact been has in fact been

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Speaker 3: relieved of his duties. Once you get the sense, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna sneeze in a second, oh there you go, I'm okay,

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Speaker 3: now sorry, Once you get the sense it's funny, once

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Speaker 3: you get the sense that it's inevitable, you should just

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Speaker 3: do it. And I think where the Giants were in

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Speaker 3: their season, once you know, it's like every time they lost,

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Speaker 3: they were gonna be the questions of all right, has

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Speaker 3: Brian dave all been fired?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 3: Another double digit loss, another road loss where it slipped

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Speaker 3: away in a game they easily had in hand, played

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Speaker 3: a great game right up until the end. When they didn't.

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Speaker 3: It was like the death March was on. They felt

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Speaker 3: in the building, everyone outside the building knew it. Brian

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Speaker 3: Dable is a good guy and a former Coach of

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Speaker 3: the Year and what he has done with Jackson Dart

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Speaker 3: and this offense has been at times promising, not good enough.

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Speaker 3: And this team has talent. They should be winning and

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Speaker 3: they are not. Unfortunately, it was time and Brian Dabo

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Speaker 3: now officially fired as the Giants head coach.

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Speaker 1: Mike that joint statement from John Marray and Steve Tish saying,

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Speaker 1: in part, we spoke this morning about the direction of

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Speaker 1: our franchise on the field, and we've decided that at

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Speaker 1: this time it is in our best interest to make

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Speaker 1: a change at the head coaching position. The past few

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Speaker 1: seasons have been nothing short of disappointing, and we have

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Speaker 1: not met our expectations for this franchise. We understand the

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Speaker 1: frustrations of our fans and we will work to deliver

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Speaker 1: a significantly improved product. We appreciate Coach Dable for contributions

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Speaker 1: to our organization. We wish the Dabole family all the

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Speaker 1: best in the future. Judy, this is the fourth head

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Speaker 1: coaching change that the Giants have made over the decade

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Speaker 1: since they parted ways with Tom Coughlin. Much like Ben McAdoo,

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Speaker 1: who of course succeeded Tom Coughlin, they Bowl won in

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Speaker 1: his first season and they went into the playoffs. I

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Speaker 1: was at that playoff game against the Vikings in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: The Giants won that game and they advanced the divisional

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Speaker 1: round and it was the cigar chompion, everybody rallying around Dable.

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Speaker 1: You know, the entire environment seemed to have pointed in

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Speaker 1: a positive direction since that game. The Giants lost thirty

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Speaker 1: four out of a possible forty five games, and the

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Speaker 1: way they were losing games this season again seemed to

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Speaker 1: just point toward this has become an inevitability that they

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Speaker 1: once again will be.

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Speaker 2: Looking for a coach. Danny Judy on Mute Judy. All right, Mike,

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Speaker 2: let's go to you. How about that?

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Speaker 5: Listen when when John Mara spoke to the media, I

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Speaker 5: guess back in January and said that his patience was

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Speaker 5: running thin, but he was retaining Brian Dable and Joe Shane.

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Speaker 4: I remember the way that I phrased it was we

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Speaker 5: About playoff positioning as we come down the stretch of

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Speaker 4: There's a world in which Brian Dable didn't have.

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Speaker 5: To make the playoffs, but was still going to show

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Speaker 5: enough progress here with regard to how the team's performing

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Speaker 5: and the quarterback position to retain.

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Speaker 4: His job for this upcoming season.

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Speaker 5: It was, for a flicker of a moment looking like

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Speaker 4: You're starting to see it.

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Speaker 5: You're starting to see things come together in a way

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Speaker 5: that makes sense for a team that's.

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Speaker 4: Going to compete in the future, not there now.

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Speaker 5: And it happened quickly, and between the injury to Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 5: for Mike Kafka here the interim head coach UH, to

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Speaker 5: make a statement for this team going forward, but there

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Speaker 5: will be a wide ranging, bigger picture search as there

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Speaker 5: Kafka has been a head coach for the Senior Ball

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Speaker 5: he has some head coaching experience and it's a guy

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Speaker 5: that really at times hadn't called play plays for this team,

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Speaker 5: So this is a lot on his plate at this point.

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Speaker 5: The schedule is not pretty Patriots Packers, and who's the

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Speaker 5: third team? It's another brutal one in the next three

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Speaker 7: So the whole schedule is brutal, and.

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Speaker 5: I said, like, you didn't look at the schedule and go, oh,

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Speaker 5: this team's winning nine games and going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: But you potentially looked at this team and said could

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Speaker 5: win seven games and okay, we're moving in the right direction.

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Speaker 4: You can stick. Just didn't get there. And now the

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Speaker 4: Giants make that decision. Yeah, I want to we want

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Speaker 4: to go to Judy in a sec assuming I have

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Speaker 4: no idea.

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Speaker 8: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 3: We can hear yesco I want to read this first

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Speaker 3: from John Mahra in the statement that he just put

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Speaker 3: out uh on Joe Shane remaining the general manager and

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Speaker 3: leading the search for a new head coach from Mare.

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Speaker 3: We feel like Joe's assembled a good, young nucleus of

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Speaker 3: talent and we look forward to its development. Unfortunately, the

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Speaker 3: results of the past three years of not what any

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Speaker 3: forward to the kind of success our fans expect. So

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Speaker 3: Joe Shane Judy will remain as GM and will lead

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Speaker 3: the search, which I would say clears up one of

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Speaker 3: the bigger questions for that moving forward.

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Speaker 9: Sure, that is one of the big questions. I just

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Speaker 9: I mean, I can tell you at you know, before

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Speaker 8: Marra did not want to have to do this.

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Speaker 9: He really hoped that this was going to work out,

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Speaker 9: which is why he brought them back. He had a

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Speaker 9: they just couldn't close out games, it has felt inevitable.

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Speaker 8: And I would agree with you what you said.

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Speaker 9: And once you know it's inevitable, then it's better to

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Speaker 8: Although that certainly has not been the Giant's way.

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Speaker 9: Look, the Giant's way traditionally was to have coaches for

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Speaker 9: very unusual for them and very uncomfortable. They do not

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Speaker 9: like to have to blow up things every few years.

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Speaker 9: They know that's not the formula. Listen, there's some talent

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Speaker 9: on the roster. This is you know, they're not the

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Speaker 9: Kansas City Chiefs, though, I mean, we're you know that

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Speaker 9: there's not a ton of depth on the team. They've

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Speaker 9: got some, you know, right, young hopeful stars certainly, you

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Speaker 8: Line is is what it is.

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Speaker 9: They need think the roster needs to be better too,

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Speaker 9: and so I do think the it's always interesting if

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Speaker 9: you're going to keep the general manager, they must have

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Speaker 9: a lot of confidence that the general manager that Joe

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Speaker 9: can make improvements on this roster. At the same time,

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Speaker 9: they're obviously going to have another very high draft pick here.

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Speaker 8: But you know, I'm not sure we should overstate how.

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Speaker 9: Talented the roster is because there are still holes on

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Speaker 9: that roster other than Elik Neighbors. You know, the offensive

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Speaker 9: this is definitely not where the Giants wanted to be.

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Speaker 8: I'll just say that.

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Speaker 2: Short term here.

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Speaker 1: Mike Kafka, who has interviewed for a number of head

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Speaker 1: coaching jobs in the past, in all likelihood you would

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Speaker 1: think is not going to have Jackson Dart this week

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Speaker 1: he seperate a concussion.

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Speaker 2: It's not a guarantee, but.

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Speaker 1: By and large, we see more players miss at least

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Speaker 1: years past. But one of my immediate questions, and clearly

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Speaker 1: again there's a series of steps here, we don't want

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Speaker 1: a crappy thing for everybody involved. But the season goes on,

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Speaker 1: and talking to people there today, that's what everyone was saying, like,

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Speaker 1: it's just hard. It sucks the way that you're up

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Speaker 1: don't want to have games fall apart like that. My

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Speaker 1: immediate questions go to number one, how exactly if it

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Speaker 1: all may Mike Kafka adjust things with the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: At this point, he has not done that at all,

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Speaker 1: But Kafka taking on a head coaching job on an

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Speaker 1: inter basis. In addition to still having you would think

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Speaker 1: The second part of this is, if it's no Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 1: to change the vibes, there is maybe the King of

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Speaker 3: I was actually gonna say that the King of Vibes

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Speaker 3: really bad. Jameis Winston is going to look bad, but

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Speaker 3: he's also going to look good, and there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: a lot and like hard to imagine, just hard to imagine.

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Speaker 3: the first thing that interim coach Mike Kopka does is go,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna run Russell Wilson out there. I'd be surprised. Now,

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Speaker 3: have not heard any quarterback decisions yet, but I'm just

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Speaker 1: You know, they mostly with Jackson Dart, which you would

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and by the way, they did block Mike Kafka

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Speaker 4: This is a okay, this is part of your interview

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Speaker 5: It's got to be somebody who is a here we go,

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Speaker 4: Part of this coaching search coming up. Look, John Marra.

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Speaker 4: Like no.

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Speaker 9: The New York Giants job is a plumb job, no

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Speaker 9: certainly the presidence of Jackson Dark only enhances that. So

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Speaker 8: So, I'm not sure you want to just rule that out.

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Speaker 9: If you get the right guy, they've just got to

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Speaker 9: They haven't been able to do it since Kafluin was here.

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Speaker 4: I'll just throw one name out there. He's got head

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Speaker 5: He doesn't have a lot of head coaching experience, but

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Speaker 4: Would not be suppressed.

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Speaker 2: Mike, thank you.

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Speaker 4: We'll be right back with more.

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Speaker 6: On the inside.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in our Steve Whites to the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Now, a lot to discuss from the Sunday of Week

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Speaker 2: The first ian.

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Speaker 1: Let's start out with an injury update from the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: a positive injury update, which there have not been many

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Speaker 1: of those. Joe Burrow are a little sooner than any

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Speaker 1: What are we looking at in terms of not just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really significant day for the Cincinnati Bengals. And we've

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Speaker 3: And the way he was described to me was if

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Speaker 3: mid December. Well, they're alive, maybe not as alive as

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Speaker 3: That's basically what you do if you come back a

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Speaker 3: also say this, the Bengals are what are they three insects?

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Speaker 3: I think they're three in six.

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Speaker 2: And two games out in the division.

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Speaker 3: Right, And look, the schedule's hard, of course it's hard.

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Speaker 3: But the way it was explained to me is if

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Speaker 3: see him no matter what, he's gonna want to play,

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Speaker 4: Steve Oh my bad.

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Speaker 7: Well, look, look, if he wants to play, he's gonna play.

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Speaker 7: But the thing is, the Bengals issues aren't a quarterback,

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Speaker 7: right the Bengals, if they want to get contention, they

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Speaker 7: Cincinnati Bengals. You know you've done the last couple of years,

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Speaker 9: I mean that division is totally there. They're not that

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Speaker 9: I mean, if he gets back, if Joe Flacco can

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Speaker 9: especially as a wildcard like it's it's got to be

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Speaker 9: to see him walk out there, like you know, it's

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Speaker 9: He'll want to.

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Speaker 8: Oh, turn, that would be that'd be a way to return.

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Speaker 1: That way, that would be well ahead of the timeline.

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Speaker 1: Probably the more likely is after that game, which is

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Speaker 1: only what seventeen days away from right now, you activate

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Speaker 1: him after that game, you save the rosters pot, and

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Speaker 3: Everything is not as fun as my thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not as fun, But I'm trying to also be realistic.

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Speaker 1: It's a three month he's got a three month injury

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Speaker 4: Let's start there, right.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a tricky thing. But again,

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Speaker 1: the fact that he's out there, this is sooner than

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Speaker 1: see he's after where it goes from there. Let's go

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Speaker 2: Steve Weis. We got a showdown next week.

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Speaker 1: It's the Seahawks against the Ram, two teams that when

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Speaker 1: francisc Let's go. I don't want to see either of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, both these teams I tweeted about this is Hagler.

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Speaker 7: The way these teams have come out of the gate

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Speaker 7: and scored points offensively. They're not sitting back. There's no

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Speaker 7: counterpunching here. These guys are just digging in and they're

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Speaker 7: throwing blows. You saw what Seattle did to the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 7: It was a damn shaman. The craziest number I saw

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Speaker 7: all weekend long. Sam Darnold nine of ten for one

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Speaker 7: hundred and sixty seven yards in the first half against Arizona.

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Speaker 4: He finishes ten of twelve.

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Speaker 7: He only threw two more passes in the game because

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Speaker 7: they absolutely took apart the Cardinals because that offense, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy.

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Speaker 7: And he wasn't like he came out what like they

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Speaker 7: put in a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 2: He played.

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Speaker 7: They just devastated Arizona and they have been playing like

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Speaker 7: this their last two games.

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Speaker 4: They're averaging thirty seven points.

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Speaker 7: But the Rams they're averaging thirty seven points as well

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Speaker 7: over the last three games, and Matthew Stafford's playing as

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Speaker 7: well as any won. The Rams offensive line is getting healthy,

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Speaker 7: they're running the ball, getting back Pooka to go with DeVante,

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Speaker 7: and seeing the Rams actually incorporate multiple tight ends into

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Speaker 7: their offense. Now you know Sean Sean McVay is an

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Speaker 7: eleven personnel guys, sometimes they'll run a lot of twelve

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Speaker 7: personnel to two tight end sets. So again the offenses

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Speaker 7: look scary, but the defenses look equally scary. We know

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Speaker 7: how good that Rams defensive front is, but the way

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Speaker 7: Leonard Williams and in Seattle, I mean they sat Jacobi

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Speaker 7: Pressett five times in the first half of that game.

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Speaker 4: They get after it.

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Speaker 7: So this is strength on strength and as you mentioned,

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Speaker 7: tom As, this could set up for potential home field

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Speaker 7: in the playoffs, and we know, especially if it's in Seattle,

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Speaker 7: this is a This is a significant game and possibly

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Speaker 7: determined who could win a very, very tough division.

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Speaker 9: They look like the two best teams, well, certainly the

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Speaker 9: two best teams in the NFC. We're going to see

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Speaker 9: the Eagles tonight, but they haven't looked anywhere near this

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Speaker 9: level so far. They look like they might be the

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Speaker 9: two best teams in the NFL right now. The way

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Speaker 9: they're playing. I mean, Matthew Stafford is playing at an

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Speaker 9: insanely high level, and Seattle might be the most complete

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Speaker 9: team right now, the most balanced. So those games are

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Speaker 9: going to be I mean, they are clearly very important

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Speaker 9: for playoff seating, but they might tell us an awful

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Speaker 9: lot about what team we're going to be looking at

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Speaker 9: at the end of January too into February, because I've seen.

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Speaker 9: I've watched both teams the last few weeks, and I

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Speaker 9: have not seen a team play better.

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Speaker 3: Jean, I'm going to let you guys finish this out

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Speaker 3: and jump off and make a call. Although I agree

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Speaker 3: with everything, everyone just.

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Speaker 2: Here's and you go hand to your business.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you what, Tom, The one thing we really

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Speaker 7: didn't see incorporated with the Seahawks and they took about

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Speaker 7: Arizona was Rashisha heat He played, but we didn't see

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Speaker 7: his potential impact. This is a game where we can

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Speaker 7: see it because the Rams are really good at safety,

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Speaker 7: but their corners, you know, they're still trying to work

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Speaker 7: some things out. So I just can't wait to see

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Speaker 7: the way this plays out. The Seattle's passing game isn't

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Speaker 7: necessarily a quick passing game, so the Rams pass rushers

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Speaker 7: can get after him. Same with the Rams. Their passing

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Speaker 7: plays tended to take a while to develop, so these

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Speaker 7: defenses are going to have a say in this. I

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Speaker 7: am really looking. It's a Sunday night game too, I believe,

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Speaker 7: so this is this is going to be the you

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Speaker 7: know that the mid season game of the year, so

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Speaker 7: to speak.

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Speaker 1: It just I keep saying it every week, but this

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five Sea Owks team reminds me a lot

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Speaker 1: of the twenty thirteen I agree, this team can throw

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Speaker 1: the ball a lot better. You know those teams, And

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Speaker 1: somewhere Doug Baldwin's going to see this quoted and it's going.

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Speaker 2: To text me.

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Speaker 1: But like, they didn't have a Jackson Smith and Jigga

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Speaker 1: on that team, They didn't have a Rasid Shiheed style.

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Speaker 2: Burner on the team.

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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, you know, is a dirty work type of guy,

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Speaker 1: and Sam Darnold's playing at a really high level. But

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Speaker 1: the way that that defense with a bunch of guys

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Speaker 1: who not all of them are high draft picks, not

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Speaker 1: all of them, I don't think anybody on that defense.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Leonard Williams is like a household type of name,

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Speaker 1: but they just they play so hard, fast, physical discipline.

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Speaker 1: You can see in year one they were pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I remember they went ten and seven, they were the

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Speaker 1: real ten win team and missed the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: But the way that they play.

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Speaker 1: Now and you can see Mike McDonald getting the pieces

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Speaker 1: in place to play the way that he wants to,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty impressive.

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Speaker 2: Steve.

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Speaker 1: I also want to ask you about sad news that

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Speaker 1: we had yesterday regarding the former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabu.

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Speaker 1: My time covering the NFL only marginally overlapped with Paul.

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Speaker 1: He certainly was a giant in the game. But you

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Speaker 1: covered the NFL, you know, during the certainly during the

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Speaker 1: meat of his tenure. Just tell me, you know your

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Speaker 1: your reaction to the news, but also what you remember

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Speaker 1: most about Paul Taglibu, the NFL commission.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, look, it's it's the course of life.

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Speaker 7: We're seeing a lot of people, you know, run that.

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Speaker 7: We saw Lenny Wilkins, the basket Hall of Famer, also

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Speaker 7: passed yesterday. But Paul Tagliabu, you know, I had the

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Speaker 7: good fortune Paul went to the Pro Football Hall of

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Speaker 7: Fame in twenty twenty. You know, I do our Hall

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Speaker 7: of Fame coverage, but he went in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 7: In twenty twenty two, Art McNally, the first official, went

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Speaker 7: into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: And when we do the.

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Speaker 7: Door knocks, we have a Hall of famer break the

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Speaker 7: news to the incoming in Trinee, and it was Paul Taglibu.

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Speaker 7: So I got to spend the afternoon with him. And

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Speaker 7: you know, Paul, he's really tall. I played basketball at Georgetown.

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Speaker 7: He's a lawyer, and you're just getting all this astutent knowledge,

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Speaker 7: and you know, he's telling me about some of the

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Speaker 7: tough decisions he had to go through, such as moving

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Speaker 7: the Super Bowl out of Arizona one year because it

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Speaker 7: refused to recognize that Martin Luther King holiday and move

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Speaker 7: it to San Diego and why that was such an

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Speaker 7: important thing to him and so many people in the league.

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Speaker 4: But he did it right.

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Speaker 7: He saw the potential economic loss that Arizona was going

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Speaker 7: to face by doing this, but he just thought the

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Speaker 7: standard of doing something like that was more important. And

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Speaker 7: they also made it back to Arizona on the back end.

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Speaker 7: But you just see some of the things that he did.

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Speaker 7: You know, they had He had four teams come into

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Speaker 7: the league when he was there.

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Speaker 4: He had a lot of movement teams relocating.

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Speaker 2: While he was there.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 7: You know a lot of people say, well, he wasn't

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Speaker 7: that hard on the concussion issue, and that's something that

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Speaker 7: lingered over him. That's why he did not get into

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Speaker 7: the Hall of Fame for years, because there weren't the

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Speaker 7: studies and there wasn't the attention paid to concussions like

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Speaker 7: we have now. He's he's admitted that he didn't take it,

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Speaker 7: you know, seriously enough. But other than you know, other

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Speaker 7: than that significant issue, he's just scene as a as

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Speaker 7: a great leader of corraling the owners. We saw ownership

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Speaker 7: come in, people like Jerry Jones come in and get

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Speaker 7: things done. So he's he's another one of these commissions

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Speaker 7: who grew the league television rights, things like that, we

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Speaker 7: saw the World League and things like that.

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Speaker 4: So just just a fantastic gentleman.

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Speaker 7: Scholarly, he was a lawyer, but just someone who always

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Speaker 7: really looked out for the league itself but also for

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Speaker 7: the players because you know, is big thing that people

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Speaker 7: talk about was the labor piece with the Players Association,

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Speaker 7: the players Union that reigned during his whole tenure during

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Speaker 7: the NFL's commissioner.

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Speaker 1: Steve, thank you very much for that perspective. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot more to come on The Insiders Part two.

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Speaker 1: If you're on the podcast, if you're on YouTube or

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Speaker 1: catching this on the NFL channel on fast streaming platforms,

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Speaker 1: just stay tuned. We will get into all the big

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Speaker 1: stuff happened in the AFC in games yesterday, including the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins running the Bills off the field. That's a really thing,

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Speaker 1: really a real thing that happened here. We had some

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Speaker 1: instant impact from some of the players that were traded,

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Speaker 1: including Sauce Gardner. That and a whole lot more for

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Speaker 1: Steve as well as Judy, Mike and Ian. This is

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Speaker 1: how the show goes, especially on Mondays, a lot of

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Speaker 1: stuff going on.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you all listening to what

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Speaker 6: The