1 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: I want you to tell her the truth. 2 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: What's your name, Chris Kringle. 3 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 3: I'll bet you're in the first grade. 4 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 4: I mean your real name. 5 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 2: That is my real name. 6 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 5: I say name, You say Scott Calvin, name, Chris Gregle, name, 7 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 5: Santa Claus name, par Noel Babo, natally pairs, Nicole, Papa, Jesuo? 8 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 6: Oh helloster? 9 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: How do you do? Would you right come and sit 10 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: on my knee? Good? We are now? 11 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 7: Then? 12 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: What's your name? Susan Elizabeth Walker? 13 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: What's yours? 14 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: Mine? 15 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 2: Well? 16 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 4: I have lots of names, Chris Quingle, Santa Claus, the 17 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: Christmas or Nicholas. If you were in Holland, I'd be 18 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: Santa Claus, or in Italy Lobifana. 19 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 7: Who the heck are you? 20 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 3: What are you talking about? Santa Claus or not? You 21 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 3: disgust me? How can you live with yourself? Just cool it, zippy, 22 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: You sit on a throne of lies. 23 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 7: This time of snow the ground. It's Christmas time, baby 24 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 7: snow and Christmas. 25 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard and merry Christmas Eve. 26 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: Today on Human Events Daily, I want to talk about 27 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: the true essence of Christmas. Where Santa Claus of course 28 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: plays his part, and we know though the real star 29 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: of the show is Jesus Christ. Now Santa Claus is 30 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: a beautiful creigure derived from Saint Nicholas, and he embodies 31 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: the spirit of giving and goodwill. But Christmas fundamentally celebrates 32 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: the birth of Christ, cornerstone of Christian faith, and all 33 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: of this stuff is, you know, kind of mixed up 34 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: and it is complicated. So I wanted to go through 35 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: that quite a bit. We know Jesus was born in 36 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: a humble major in Bethlehem, came into the world not 37 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: with palm for power, but in simplicity and humility, teaching 38 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: us that true greatness lies in love and service to others. 39 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: Jesus's message is one of peace, love, forgiveness, and charity, 40 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: values that resonate deeply within the spirit of Christmas. And 41 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: so when we keep when we talk about keeping Christmas alive, 42 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: we're not just talking about keeping Santa relevant. We're speaking 43 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: of preserving the message that Christ brought into the world 44 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: his life. His teachings are the bedrock of why we 45 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: celebrate this season. Santa Claus, derived from Saint Nicholas, in 46 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: his own way, reflects those same teachings. The gifts he 47 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: bring symbolize the gifts of Jesus to humanity, a reminder 48 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: of unconditional love, and also by the way building off 49 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: of the gifts of the Three Wise Men. However, the 50 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: commercialization of Christmas can sometimes overshadow this core message, and 51 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: that's where we need to be careful. And we can 52 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: use Santa to teach children about generosity, just like Jesus 53 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: taught through parables and actions, but we also have to 54 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: educate them that the greatest gift of all was Jesus himself, 55 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: who gave his life for the love of mankind. The 56 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: joy of Christmas is not found in the wrapping or 57 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: the gadgets, but in the act of giving, in the 58 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: spirit of forgiveness and the love shared among family and friends, 59 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: and the love that Jesus showed. And we need to 60 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: show that love and we need to show that as well. 61 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: And a great way to do that, an important way 62 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: to do that to keep the magic of Christmas lasting 63 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: beyond the season, but also something that lasts in our 64 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: day to day lives is telling the true story of 65 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: Santa Claus. And that's something that I wanted to do 66 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: here on the program today, not only explaining the origins 67 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: of Christmas the way that we celebrate it, but also 68 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: talk about the origins of one of the time control 69 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: but one of the central figures of the Christmas holiday today, 70 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: Santa Claus, who was of course based on the very 71 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: real Saint Nicholas, whose tomb, by the way, may have 72 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: actually been found earlier this year. And so here on 73 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: today's program, we're going to give you the truth about 74 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: Christmas and the truth about Saint Nicholas. So I hope 75 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: you will enjoy. Our guest for the full hour will 76 00:05:28,880 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: be the great doctor Taylor Marshall. Stay tuned right, all right, 77 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: Jack Pacovic, back live Christmas Eve. We're talking about the 78 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: truth about Christmas and the truth about Saint Nicholas. And 79 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: I knew that the way to really tell this story 80 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: was to bring the man on who literally wrote the book. 81 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: His name is doctor Taylor Marshall. He joins us. Now, Taylor, 82 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: how are you, Jack? 83 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: I'm great, Marry christ Mass. 84 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: To you, Ry christ Mass. 85 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 7: Let's go. 86 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: Let's go, by the way, remind us all that Christmas 87 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Day is actually the beginning of Christmas Tide. The twelve 88 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: days of Christmas begin on Christmas Day, Is that right? 89 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: That's right. The Twelve Days of Christmas run from December 90 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: twenty fifth till January fifth, or the famous Shakespeare play 91 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 3: called twelfth Night twelfth Night that occurs on January fifth, 92 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: celebrating the twelfth Night of Christmas. 93 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: So people get that confused. 94 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, December twenty fifth begins, does not end the 95 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: Christmas season. 96 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: Well, and this is a huge Actually, it's so great 97 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: that you brought up Shakespeare, because you know, people know 98 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Twelfth Night. But it's like we have this sort of 99 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: it's almost like the detritus of Christmas traditions and culture 100 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: all around us, and people know the song the Twelve 101 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: Days of Christmas, people know about Twelfth Night. My kids 102 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: love the Chipmunk version of the Twelve Days of Christmas. 103 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: But it's like we don't know how to put it 104 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: all together because you know, and Catholic's okay, you know, 105 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: Advent and we have the four candles and that's the 106 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: season and then Christmas starts. But it's like we kind 107 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: of seem to have forgotten that it actually does all 108 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: fit together. They're not just you know, random pieces of 109 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: traditions that have carried on. And at one point it 110 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: was very common for Christians to in fact celebrate all 111 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: of these things in concert, wasn't it. 112 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 113 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: I mean I think the modern day Christian living in 114 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: a postmodern context says Christmas is about Jesus Christ. It's 115 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: all about Jesus. Jesus is the reason for the season. 116 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: And then there can be amongst certain groups a rejection 117 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 3: of everything that is not obviously connected to Jesus Christ. 118 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: And as you just said, there's this giant puzzle. 119 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: There's this matrix that's built around Christmas with Advent, in 120 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 3: the Twelve Days and Epiphany, and that's been broken apart, 121 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: and so these pieces are kind of lying on the table. 122 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 3: And what we want to do today, especially with Saint Nicholas, 123 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 3: is show that there is a cohesive not only preparation 124 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 3: with advant but a season of Christmas, and that the traditions, 125 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: and especially the tradition of Saint Nicholas, our culture at 126 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: Santa Claus, is deeply rooted in Jesus Christ, who is 127 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: the reason for the season. I think those of us 128 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: with kids and families and everyone who's a Christian can 129 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: better incorporate and see how all of this used to 130 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 3: fit together without all of the commercialism and secular appropriation. 131 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 3: So it's not about giving it up, it's about taking 132 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: it back and finding out. For example, Saint Nicholas is 133 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 3: perhaps one of maybe top ten most heroic Christians in 134 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 3: the last two thousand years, but people don't know about him. 135 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: They don't know that he delivered young women from sex trafficking, 136 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: that he was the patron of sailors and mariners, that 137 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 3: he gave gifts to children, that he was imprisoned during 138 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 3: the Roman Persecution and was rotting in a jail sale, 139 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: that he was part of the renovation of the Roman 140 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 3: Empire under Constantine, that he was a fighter against heretics. 141 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: So many great true historical story worries about Saint Nicholas 142 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: are lost and sort of reduced towards commercialism, which is 143 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 3: all about buying stuff at the mall and giving it 144 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: to other people. And there's a root of truth in 145 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: Saint Nicholas as a gift giver. But I hope today 146 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: that we can show that Jesus is the reason for 147 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: the season, and Saint Nicholas is one of the greatest Christians, 148 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 3: greatest bishops in the history of the church, pointing people 149 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: to Jesus Christ, and that's why he situated around Christmas, 150 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: and that. 151 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Let's address that one right on then. So the main tradition, 152 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:43,599 Speaker 1: even even beyond Nativity scenes and the twelve days in 153 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: Advent and all the rest, the main thing that everyone 154 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: around the world associates with Christmas is the tradition of 155 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: gift giving. This is the one central thing that is 156 00:10:55,480 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: held true for the entirety of the history of Christms. 157 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: So here's a question that I have because every year 158 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: this happens, and you and I did that fantastic and 159 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: award winning documentary episode about the history, the True History 160 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: of Halloween, where we debunked the idea that Halloween was 161 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: pagan in its basis. Well, people will tell me as well. 162 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: They say, oh, this is Saturnalia. This is a Roman feast, 163 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: a pagan feast that the Christians came along and co opted, 164 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: and that's really all it goes back to. And it 165 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: was tied to the winter solstice and things like that. 166 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: So let me ask you that question, is this tradition 167 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: of gift giving Christian or pagan? 168 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 3: Well, the tradition of gift giving at Christmas is not 169 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: originally tied to Saint Nicholas, who also was a gift giver, 170 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: and we'll talk about that today. The tradition of gift 171 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 3: giving is seen in the canonical gospels, right when you 172 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: read the Nativity story, in the Gospel of Matthew, the 173 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: Gospel of Luke. But in Matthew, the wise men, the magi, come. 174 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: From the east. 175 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: They're following the star, and they bring gifts gold, frankinsense, 176 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 3: and myrrh, and they present them to Jesus Christ literally 177 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 3: as birthday gifts. And so the notion of gift giving 178 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: actually went from the first day of Christmas, as we 179 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: discussed earlier, December twenty fifth, all the way to January sixth, 180 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 3: which in historic Christianity was called the Feast of the 181 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: Epiphany or the Manifestation to the Three Kings. The Magi 182 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: and gift giving was done all twelve days. It wasn't 183 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 3: just on December twenty fifth, in honor of the birth 184 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: of Christ and the coming of the wise men. So 185 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 3: the gift giving is actually in the Bible. It's not pagan, 186 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 3: it's right there on the pages. And then when we 187 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 3: turn to Nicholas, we really get into a gritty story. 188 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: And this is the story that I retell in my 189 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: book Nikolaus it's the origin story. People like origin stories 190 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: of like Marvel movies. This is the origin story of Nicolaus. 191 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 3: And as people might rightly know if you've seem like 192 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: two or any recent films about the Roman Empire, human 193 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: sex trafficking was a big deal still is today, but 194 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: back then especially was and for poorer families that could 195 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: not afford to place their daughters in society, provide dowries, 196 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: et cetera. 197 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: You know, these young women. 198 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: It wasn't just like go be a barista or go 199 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 3: to get a ba in journalism, these young women often 200 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: were turned out into the streets, were sold, sometimes by 201 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: their family. And in the original story of Nikolaus, he 202 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: as a young pastor, is aware of girls from poor 203 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: families having to go into this horrible lifestyle, and so 204 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: he identifies a certain family and he sneaks into their house. 205 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: Doesn't mention the chimney, doesn't come in the chimney, but 206 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 3: he does sneak in the house, and he leaves a 207 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: certain amount of money as the oldest daughter is coming 208 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 3: of age, which provides their family to place their daughter 209 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: in society and for her to get married. And the 210 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 3: man who's poor has three daughters and Nicholas sneaks into 211 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 3: the house and is leaving this gift of money to 212 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 3: prevent these girls to being sold into sex trafficking, prostitution. 213 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: And on the third daughter, the dad stays up and 214 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: he catches Nicholas in the house because he's curious on 215 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 3: who's doing this. And it reveals to the father and 216 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: to all of history that the anonymous sacrificial giving to 217 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: preserve chastity and to promote matrimony is this humble pastor, 218 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: this bishop named Nicholas of Myra. 219 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: And he has great concern. 220 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 3: He himself came from a very wealthy family, so he 221 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 3: was a man, a man of means, and he chose 222 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 3: to become poor, celibate, chaste and to give away his 223 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: fortune rescuing young girls in this case. 224 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: And from this story comes the idea. 225 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: You know, you have the three wise men bringing gifts 226 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: to Jesus, but then this idea that this generous Christian 227 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: pastor is sneaking into the homes to benefit children, and 228 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: that's the origin story that gets developed over time. He 229 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: becomes the patron of children, he becomes the patron of 230 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: gift giving, and he died. This is also very important. 231 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: He died on December sixth in the year what was 232 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: that three point forty three eighty And in the Catholic 233 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: Church often when a saint dies, they're given a Saint's 234 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 3: Day on the calendar of usually the day of their death. 235 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: And so because he died on December sixth, the feast 236 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: of Saint Nicholas is December. 237 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: Sixth, which is at. 238 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: The beginning of December, and so over time of the 239 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 3: Church and Christians began to associate the feast of Saint 240 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: Nicholas on December sixth as at the beginning of the 241 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 3: preparation of Advent preparing for Christmas, and also reminded the 242 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: church and the faithful that Nicholas is a gift giver. 243 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: The wise men are gift givers, and they kind of 244 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 3: create the books. December sixth, Saint Nicholas, January sixth, the 245 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: feasts of the Epiphany, the feasts of the Wise Men, 246 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: and between those thirty days is a period of gift giving, 247 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: self sacrificial giving. So you can see there's deeply Christian 248 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: roots to Saint Nicholas and to this whole phenomenon of 249 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: this time of year being gift giving. 250 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: And think about that, by the way, now we live 251 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: in a world surrounded by OnlyFans culture. We have this 252 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: influencer and she's you know, one hundred guys in a day, 253 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: and she's like an OnlyFans influencer. And now they do 254 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: it themselves. It's not even something that is done to them. 255 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: And you have the. 256 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: Parents celebrating it, the mom and dad, they're the business 257 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: managers of that individual. And so when I look at 258 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: the true story of Saint Nicholas nicol Laus and the 259 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: book is Nicholaus, by the way, everyone should go and 260 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: get this thing. It actually teaches us something far deeper 261 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: than just oh, I'm going to give gifts to people. 262 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: I'm giving gifts to people as an act of charity, 263 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: and I should want to do that charity because of 264 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: the goodness that it turns myself into, and as a 265 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: way to show the goodness of the Christians. And in fact, 266 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: this has always been in times of tragedy, in times 267 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: of plague, in times of real pandemics, by the way, 268 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: that it was the Christians who always stepped up. And 269 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: this was a key reason that people switched from the 270 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: paganism to Christianity very early on. Constantine didn't force people 271 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: to convert they did of their own accord. Are going 272 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: to be right back. The Truth about Christmas, Saint Nicholas 273 00:17:49,840 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: and Santa Claus, jacko Zoviac, Doctor Taylermarshall, all right, Jack Pisobic, 274 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: Doctor Taylor Marshall. The Truth about Christmas, the origin story 275 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,959 Speaker 1: of Santa Claus and Saint Nicholas. And just as we 276 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: were leaving the last segment there, I couldn't help but 277 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: think that, you know, the direct tie between Nicholas and 278 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: how he was saving girls from trafficking versus We live 279 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: in a society today where only fans and the Lily 280 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: Phillips culture are prevalent, and you hear people celebrating it, 281 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: and then they'll still go and celebrate Christmas without seeing 282 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: the you know, you know the glaring you know the 283 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: glaring contradiction in terms between the two. And so you know, 284 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: douc to Taylor Marshall, St. Nicholas, it's not just about 285 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: giving gifts, is it. 286 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 3: No, It's it's about in his case, redeeming young women. 287 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: But if you look at the whole scope of his life, 288 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 3: it's redeeming culture, it's redeeming the Roman Empire, it's redeeming politics, 289 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 3: it's redeeming everything, and it's these small acts of charity. 290 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: And that's in the book. It retails, it's it's a 291 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 3: historical novella, and it retells how gritty and ugly ancient 292 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 3: Roman culture was, and how Christians like Nicholas were these 293 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 3: bright and shining lights of hope and of redemption for 294 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 3: people who were given over to idolatry, sexual immorality, slavery, 295 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: all kinds of degenerate behaviors. And so I think it's 296 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: absolutely fitting. It's it's a divine miracle. It's providential that 297 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 3: Saint Nicholas on December sixth is positioned there at the 298 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 3: beginning of December for Christians to begin their focus on 299 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: how do I bring redemption to my culture, my family, 300 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 3: my town, my neighborhood, because that is how the culture 301 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 3: war is one. It's exactly how Saint Nicholas did it. 302 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 3: He was doing small acts of charity anonymously. I think 303 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 3: it's another key about Nicholas. He wasn't like a pharisee 304 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: on the street corners saying look, say look how holy, 305 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 3: look how righteous I am. He did all of this 306 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: in secret because he wanted the credit from God, not 307 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 3: from Man, and as I said earlier, he was a 308 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: very wealthy man, from a wealthy family. 309 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 2: He gave all that up, and during the persecution. 310 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 3: In or Diocletian he was imprisoned and was he was 311 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: on death row. Most of the bishops during this time, 312 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 3: most of the pastors in the early three hundreds were 313 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: all being martyred. They were dying. 314 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 2: To be baptized was a very. 315 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 3: Good chance to be killed by the Roman Empire, but 316 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 3: to be ordained to be amongst the clergy was almost 317 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 3: a certain descendence. So Nicholas was in prison and they 318 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: were saying, deny Christ and you can go free, and 319 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: he would not. So he goes from one of the 320 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: wealthiest men to roddy in a jail cell, on death row, 321 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 3: condemned to be killed. And then Constantine arrives, and Constantine 322 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 3: makes Christianity tolerated and legal in the Roman Empire. And 323 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: it's because of Constantine that Nicholas gets out of prison 324 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: and gets a second half to his life. He gets 325 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: another chance in this world to extend the kingdom of 326 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. And because of Constantine, Nicholas goes back to 327 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: his pastoral work and he becomes very important in the 328 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 3: controversy over whether Jesus Christ is truly the son of God, 329 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 3: which also roots Nicholas back to Christmas and fighting the 330 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 3: Arian herison. There's a famous story where they're at the 331 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: Council of Nicea in three twenty five and Arius the 332 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 3: heretic is there, and Arius is saying Jesus is not 333 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: truly the son of God. And Nicholas was so perturbed 334 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 3: and so upset he stood up and slapped Areas across 335 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 3: the face in front of a whole assembly of bishops 336 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: because of the blasphemy. 337 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: So we see here. 338 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: I think there's definitely a masculinity, a presence. He doesn't 339 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 3: put up with heresy. He stands for the truth, and 340 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: he stands for Jesus Christ, true God, true Man, which 341 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: ultimately is the message of Christmas, that the baby lying 342 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 3: in a manger is not just a cute prophet, but 343 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: that is the Son of God, Light of Light, true God, 344 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 3: of true God. So there's a lot of theology there, 345 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 3: there's a lot of history there, and this is why 346 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: Nicholas has been so popular for almost two thousand years. 347 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: And the sad thing is is basically the red and 348 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 3: white Ho Ho Ho Sannah was just a it was 349 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 3: an appropriation by the Coca Cola company to sell Coca cola. 350 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 3: And that's the association with the red and white, and 351 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: it became a marketing scheme, a marketing plan, and unfortunately, 352 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: as our culture became less and less Christian. Yeah. 353 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: Actually, actually just on that real quick. That the in 354 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 1: because you know, as as everyone knows, my wife comes 355 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: from the Orthodox world. That the Orthodox and they call 356 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: it ded Maros, which is like Father Frost. He was 357 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: essentially the same character in some ways. He's got a 358 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: granddaughter in in that tradition, and he always wears blue. 359 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: So the red is very much a Western marketing tradition. 360 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: Even even traditional Santa Clauses, you can find nutcrackers and 361 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: things that'll be green or more elf like, you know 362 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: it really and again, in the Orthodox world you'll see 363 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: blue a lot, not always, but you'll see a lot 364 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: of it. So the idea then that the red and white, 365 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: that's really a modern marketing tradition. But I guess one 366 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: of the questions that I have is, let's so let's 367 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: say folks are watching and they got little kids or 368 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: little grand kids, and you know, they want to, you know, 369 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: keep the idea of Santa Claus still alive for them, 370 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: but they want to connect Santa Claus to Christ. And 371 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: one of the things that I hear a lot is, 372 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, well, it's simple the magic of Santa Claus. 373 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: It's you know, he's able to do what he does 374 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: because of God, because he's been given the job by Christ. 375 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: And that's something that you just you never see. And 376 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: in every single adaptation every year there's like a new 377 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: adaptation of Santa right now, but I've never seen one 378 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: where they say, yeah, it was Christ who gave him 379 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: that gig. What would you recommend to to folks like that? 380 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 2: Well, I'm working on a screenplay right now on. 381 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: Whoa, here we go. He's pitching, He's pitching on human 382 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: events folks. Here. 383 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 3: It comes in maybe twenty twenty six. But yeah, that film, 384 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 3: that film does not yet exist. And I think you know, 385 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 3: Joe and I we have eight children. We've been doing 386 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 3: this a long time. And one of the things we 387 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: did when the kids were young is we had a Byzantine, 388 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: like an Eastern Orthodox icon that's pretty large, and we 389 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 3: hung it on the wall near our Christmas tree, and 390 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 3: we just taught our children that is Saint Nicholas, so 391 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 3: it sort of shows them that this is a true saint, 392 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: he is a bishop. 393 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 2: And then I think it's. 394 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 3: Important to tell these stories to your children. You can, 395 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 3: you know, you can give them the full, if they're older, 396 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 3: the full kind of gritty addition of man, there was, 397 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 3: you know, a really bad culture at that time, and 398 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 3: Saint Nicholas was a powerful influence against it for Christ. 399 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 3: But you can also tell them these stories about and 400 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 3: there's kids books of this as well, of Nicholas being 401 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 3: a gift giver, of Nicholas being a champion for Jesus Christ, 402 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 3: of Nicholas being a pastor, just as you would tell 403 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 3: of any other story of a Bible figure or a 404 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 3: saint or an important person in our history, like telling 405 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 3: our kids about George Washington or whatever. And that way, 406 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 3: their understanding of Nicholas is rooted in truth. And of 407 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 3: course you can still have magical moments, and you know, 408 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 3: Saint Nicholas can still bring gifts. You know, we did 409 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: all that as our kids were young, but all of 410 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: our kids along the way knew that Nicholas and like, again, 411 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: do you believe in Santa. 412 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: There's that magic. 413 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: All of our kids even as they got older, like, 414 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 3: of course Nicholas is real. I mean, he doesn't live 415 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: at the North Pole. He lives in heaven. And I 416 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 3: think teaching our kids that, I think the Eastern Christians 417 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 3: have maintained that. In the West, as we become more secular, 418 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 3: the whole Coca Cola red and white Ho Ho Ho 419 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 3: Santa has taken over. I think it's very important that 420 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 3: young children realize that Saint Nicholas is a disciple of 421 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ. He is a servant and teacher and preacher 422 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: of Jesus Christ, and that's why he was a gift giver. 423 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 3: So I think that's how we retake it. Just what 424 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: we were talking about Halloween, Like Halloween is all Hallows Eve, 425 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 3: It's a celebration of all saints. And as long as 426 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 3: you can keep the true history, you know, the true 427 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: theology connected to it. I think it's great for your kids. 428 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 3: I think it's great for the family. I think it 429 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 3: actually is very enriching to see that not only is 430 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,919 Speaker 3: gift giving part of the Bible, it's part of our 431 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: Christian tradition to redeem culture by gift giving, and that 432 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 3: kind of guts out the commercialism of Christmas. It shows 433 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 3: you that really gift giving should be something that is 434 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 3: culturally powerful, reclaiming. 435 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: You know, I had a funny kind of I guess 436 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: situation where I took the boys out to go Christmas 437 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: shopping and telling you it was sort of doing a 438 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: girl's night Tanya Tay and it was with them. So 439 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: I took the boys out and I said, boys, let's go, 440 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: and we're going to go get some Christmas presents for 441 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: the rest of the family, so for the grandparents and 442 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: it's and uncles and and you know, the and for mommy, 443 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: and of course we go out. And the six year old, 444 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, he was totally cool with that. He was 445 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: a mission. 446 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 2: He was great. 447 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: But little aj who just turned four, he got really 448 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: upset as we were leaving because we got something for 449 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: almost everybody on the list, actually, but he was saying, 450 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: but Daddy, we didn't get anything for me. Where's my 451 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: Christmas present? And so in his mind, I'm trying to 452 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: He's young, so I'm trying to teach him that you 453 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: will get something, but it's you're not gonna get it 454 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: right now. But the point is that we're doing this 455 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: for them, and we can't wait for them to find 456 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: out and so and it was rough. I mean he 457 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: was ball on him. He was like ugly crying at 458 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: one point. But the point is is you've got to 459 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: push through it. And we did push through that. He 460 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: he may have got some candy afterwards at the wah wah, 461 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: but the point is we have and we have to 462 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: push through that because you just have to instill it 463 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: very very early on. And hopefully that I think that'll 464 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: come Christmas morning when he sees them opening the presence, 465 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: that he'll he'll see the process put together. We'll do that, 466 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: we'll go to church, or we'll have gone on the 467 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: night before, and I think at that point he will 468 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 1: understand the process and putting all the pieces together is 469 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: what it's all about. 470 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know we've done with our kids too. 471 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: You know, there's children in foster care and they have 472 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: these angel trees, and you know, for the last ten 473 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 3: years or so, each of our kids have picked out 474 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 3: an angel off the tree and they're usually younger kids 475 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 3: and you get them, you know, a coat and a 476 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 3: pair of clothes and a toy. And it's good for 477 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: kids to give charitably in that way. And I think 478 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: it's a great analog to say, this is what Saint 479 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 3: Nicholas was doing, and we are going to be like 480 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 3: Saint Nicholas, and we are going to give gifts to 481 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 3: those who are poor, those who are less fortunate, and 482 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 3: so you know, as Christians, you know, we have to 483 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 3: think about that's great. How do we raise our kids 484 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 3: to have the spirit of Saint Nicholas? And that right 485 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: there is it. 486 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: Folks will be right back. The truth about Christmas, Saint 487 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: Nicholas and Sara Kings all right, Jack Pisobic, Doctor Taylor Lamarshall, 488 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: the Truth about Christmas here on Human Events daily this 489 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: Christmas Eve. So let's let's get into that, doctor Taylor 490 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: marsh Well, this idea of you know, is it possible 491 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: to say, look, we want to keep Christ in Christmas. 492 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: This is the big push this time of year. Of course, 493 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: you see the bumper stickers, you see the magnets. People 494 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: have it around. You put up the crash, you put 495 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: up the Nativity scene. Everybody loves those advent calendars, by 496 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: the way or something that have never really gone away. 497 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: They're very very well received. But you know, what would 498 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: you say to folks and they say, look, I'm not 499 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: advocating for throwing out elf on the shelf. Maybe not yet. 500 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: Maybe we will, but not on religious grounds, just on 501 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: cringe grounds, but all because people just take it a 502 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: little bit too far, to take it a little bit 503 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: too far. And actually, no, you know what I am 504 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: going to say that stop taking elf on the shelf 505 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: too far? All Right, it is fun, it is a 506 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: nice thing to do with your kids, that's all right, 507 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: But people take it way too far. It's not supposed 508 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: to be about you. It's supposed to be about Christmas. 509 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: Same deal with Santa Claus. You know, that's fine, put 510 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: out the milk and cookies, all for it. But leave 511 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: it at that. Okay, just leave it at that. But 512 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: let's also suggest that rather than restricting Christmas, how can 513 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: we do a little Actually, in this segment, let's talk 514 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: about Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking it's time we do a 515 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: little Christmas maxing. What about people who want to go 516 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: full on, that want to do the twelve Days of Christmas, 517 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: that want to do Epiphany. How can we practice Christmas maxing? 518 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: Other than buying the Book of course, but what other 519 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: things can folks do out there that really want to 520 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: bring these Christian traditions and a lot of them, by 521 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: the way, are very fun. 522 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. 523 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 3: You know, I think before we go into those suggestions, 524 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: people kind of begin Christmas on Black Friday or even before, 525 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 3: and by that time they get to December twenty fifth, 526 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 3: they are exhausted with all things Christmas, Christmas music, Christmas decorations. 527 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: And that's not how it's supposed to be. 528 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 3: Historically, amongst Orthodox Catholics Protestants, there was a season of Advent, 529 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 3: which was a season of restraint. 530 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: It was kind of like Lent. 531 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 3: And so I think if we can be more mindful 532 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: of advent and restraint, then when we get to December 533 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 3: twenty fifth is really the time to throw huge parties. 534 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 3: And so I think for families, I mean, here we 535 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 3: are on Christmas Eve, but Christmas itself should be a 536 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 3: religious holiday. You need to go to church. People, December 537 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 3: twenty fifth is a time to worship Jesus Christ. 538 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: As a community, and that means going to church. 539 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 3: So I think skipping out on church sends a bad 540 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 3: message to your own soul and to your family. You 541 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 3: need to come together and offer true divine worship to 542 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 3: God with the community at church. 543 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: So you know, it's called christ Mass. Christ. You know 544 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: the word Christ and Mass. 545 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: That's the traditional Catholic service of the Holy Eucharist, so 546 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 3: that Christmas is Christ and it's going to Mass. Now 547 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 3: beyond that, there's the twelve Days, and we mentioned the 548 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 3: Twelfth Night, and it was kind of jump ahead. Twelfth 549 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,280 Speaker 3: Night was a time for people to kind of come together, 550 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 3: you know, drink something warm, sort of say goodbye to Christmas. 551 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 3: So I think there was a tradition of Twelfth Night 552 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 3: parties where people would have a big fire and maybe 553 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 3: consume the end of all the leftovers and the celebration 554 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 3: and sort of say goodbye to Christmas on twelfth Night. 555 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 3: So that's a good idea. But also within those days, 556 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 3: traditionally there's a celebration of Saint Stephen, who's the first martyr. 557 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 3: There's a celebration of the Holy Family, Joseph, Mary and Jesus. 558 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 3: And it can't be a good opportunity in the evenings 559 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 3: to continue to read the biblical stories, to read spiritual reflections, 560 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 3: sacred scripture. And then also New Year's Day. What is 561 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 3: a holy Day. It's the eighth day after Christmas. That's 562 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 3: the day on which Christ would have been circumcised. Circumcised 563 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 3: on the eighth day. And also in the Catholic tradition, 564 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 3: it's today honoring the Virgin Mary saying here's the of 565 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 3: Jesus and everything she went through pondering these things in 566 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 3: her heart. So there's a reflection there as well. And 567 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 3: some people give a gift every day in the twelve 568 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 3: days of Christmas. That practice has died out. Maybe we 569 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 3: need to bring that back. I know kids would be 570 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 3: really excited if they're getting a gift for twelve days, 571 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 3: even if it were something small. And I think also 572 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 3: probably the biggest thing jack is to keep the spirit 573 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 3: of Christmas and the joy of Christmas. To leave up 574 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 3: your decorations, and that's becoming much more popular now amongst Christians. 575 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 3: It used to be like a day after, a couple 576 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,839 Speaker 3: of days after Christmas, take down everything. People are now 577 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 3: leaving it up till January sixth to sort of extend 578 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 3: the festive season. And that communicates to your children and 579 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 3: to your friend and to your family, Hey, we are 580 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 3: still celebrating the incarnation, the virgin birth of Jesus Christ, 581 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 3: so you know, be a little bit more strained up 582 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 3: to December twenty fourth, and then after that pull out 583 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 3: all the stops and do a lot of partying at 584 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 3: our house. My favorite day is December twenty sixth. That's 585 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 3: the day after everybody's left. There's still amazing leftovers, and 586 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 3: I'm putting batteries into toys and playing with the kids 587 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 3: and reading their new books and you know, lying around 588 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 3: in our pajamas, And December twenty sixth to me is 589 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 3: just sort. 590 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 2: Of like a great afterglow of Christmas. 591 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,959 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of things you can do there, 592 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 3: and I think the most important thing is don't give up. 593 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 2: Keep the festivity. 594 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 3: Going for twelve days. 595 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 2: You've got it in you. You can do it. It's 596 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 2: worth it. Do y'all do that? 597 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 3: Jack y'all got to keep things going, keep the decorations up. Well, no, 598 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 3: we do that. 599 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: Actually, Tanya Tay loves that because so we sort of 600 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: as a as a as a kind of a small attempt. 601 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: You know, people people say this, and we have well 602 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: actually know people won't say I say it that. We 603 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: make our small attempt to mend the schism every year 604 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: when people say what I mean, you know, you know 605 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: Western Catholic and she comes from the Orthodox world, And 606 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: I say, well, and we raised the kids Catholic. But 607 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: one thing that we do because for her whole family 608 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: celebrates the Orthodox Christmas, which is of course held on 609 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: January seventh, so which is the day after Epiphany, also 610 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,040 Speaker 1: known as Old Christmas. Now this of course is held 611 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: this way because of the difference in the Julian calendar 612 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: versus the Gregorian calendar. Basically they stayed on the original calendar. 613 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: And by the way, you do see this with a 614 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: lot of stuff in history. You know, even when we 615 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: you know, when we did the series a year ago 616 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: about the Communist revolution in Russia, they call it the 617 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: October Revolution and that's great, and say when did the 618 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: October Revolution start? And so well it started in November. 619 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, what the October Revolution. It's this 620 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: huge you know, the communists takeover of Russia. But it 621 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: started in November. I so, well, yeah, because they changed 622 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: the calendar, and you know, they did this, they did that, 623 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: and so it's you know, but one thing that we 624 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: do is so we keep the we actually keep the 625 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 1: tree up until Old Christmas, which was sort of around 626 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: for a little bit of time after the calendar change 627 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: came up. And I believe in England they celebrated Old 628 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: Christmas for some time and it's it's just something that 629 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: we do. So it's at least going to be up 630 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: until them and then the kids will the kids will 631 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: usually get a little something else. We also do, of course, 632 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: the Saint Nicholas with the shoes. We do that on 633 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: December sixth. We were actually in Florida this time around 634 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 1: because we had a turning point events, but Saint Nicholas 635 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 1: found us even down there in Florida, and which is 636 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: a great way of introducing Saint Nicholas to the kids, 637 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,479 Speaker 1: by the way, and so all of these are great 638 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 1: traditions that people can do throughout Christmas. Throughout Christmas Tide 639 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: me the name of the various the various days of 640 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: the twelve Days of Christmas, and it all falls under that, 641 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: and it's fun, right, It's actually supposed to be fun. 642 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 1: There there are things that you can do, there are 643 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: things that you should do that we should all be 644 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: doing in order to keep this together. And so. 645 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 3: You know the other piece, I'm glad you mentioned your 646 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 3: wife because it takes a lot of the stress. If 647 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 3: you're going to put everything on one day that is stressful. 648 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: Think that's a great point. Actually, that's a huge point. 649 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 3: Actually, twelve days it's much more managable, it's much more chill. 650 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 3: It's much more fun. 651 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a lot more chill as opposed to like 652 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is you know in the America triction of course, 653 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: it's just one day. Which is funny by the way, 654 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: because Tanya not coming from the United States, She's like, 655 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: what is this food? And why do you only eat 656 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: it one day of the year, But also why is 657 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: it mandatory to eat it on that day of the year. 658 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 2: She's like, it just is. 659 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: Okay, it just is. It just is And why is 660 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,799 Speaker 1: July fourth? And eat the turkey. 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We had a huge situation where people were 709 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: at each other's throats. Mark Halprin has talked about families 710 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,479 Speaker 1: that were literally torn us under in twenty twenty four 711 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: over whether you supported Trump or whether you supported Kamala Harris. 712 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: And then in the wake of all that, we get Christmas. 713 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: How to families that are dealing with this, that are 714 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: truly suffering through this, how did they naviate Christmas? 715 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this question goes all the way back 716 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 3: to our medical crisis. You know, when there's masks and 717 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 3: debates on you know, should you get the injection or 718 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 3: not get the injection. This has kind of been creeping 719 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,240 Speaker 3: up for years now. And you know in sacred Scripture 720 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 3: and you also see with Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus 721 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,600 Speaker 3: a hospitality towards visitors. In this case the three wise 722 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:30,800 Speaker 3: men Gold, Frankinsonse, and r And in the Biblical tradition 723 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,400 Speaker 3: and the Christian tradition, the wise men the Magi. 724 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 2: They're from the East. They're not Jews, right, They're. 725 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 3: Not from the same culture, ethnicity, religion, language of Joseph, Mary, 726 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 3: and Jesus. And yet they are They're coming with gifts 727 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 3: and they are welcomed. And that shows you know, it's 728 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 3: called the feasts of the Epiphany because it's the Epiphany 729 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 3: or the manifestation of Jesus to the nations, and the 730 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,560 Speaker 3: call of Jesus Christ to his apostles was to go 731 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,439 Speaker 3: to all nations, and that entails a reconciliation of all 732 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 3: of mankind, you know, not just the ancient Jewish people, 733 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 3: not just the Old Testament, but a reconciliation of all men. 734 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 3: Peace to men of good will. And so we as 735 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 3: disciples of Jesus, we as Christians, need to exercise that generosity, 736 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 3: that care. And in the Bible, it's interesting one of 737 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,280 Speaker 3: the spiritual gifts listed in the Bible is hospitality. Sometimes 738 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,279 Speaker 3: we forget that that being hospitable and welcoming to people is. 739 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 2: A spiritual gift. 740 00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 3: And a spiritual gift is something that leads people to 741 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, that leads them to forgiveness in God through 742 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit. So you know, this is not the 743 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,520 Speaker 3: time to bash to boo yah our guy one he 744 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 3: did win, thanks be to God. But to extend the 745 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 3: olive branch and to focus on Jesus as the Prince 746 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 3: of peace. 747 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,879 Speaker 2: I mean, do you agree with that? You think that's 748 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:03,760 Speaker 2: that's on the money. 749 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: No, I think that makes sense. You know, it's it's 750 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: the idea being that just and if look, if you're 751 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: on the side that wan and I imagine most of 752 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: the folks listening to me are Trump supporters, and you know, 753 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,120 Speaker 1: if anyone out there wasn't, then hey, there's a seat 754 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: at the table for you two. And that's kind of 755 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: the point of Christ, is that there is a seat 756 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: for everyone. The family that couldn't find a room at 757 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: the inn is the family that welcomes all to their table, Joseph, 758 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: Mary and the Christ child and the Christ, Christ being 759 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: the king of kings coming through. And we mean that 760 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: when we say that. You know, I start every morning 761 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 1: on X I say, I say GM, Christ is King, 762 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: and I say wake up, pray up. And people think, oh, 763 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 1: that's just a you know, that's just like a phrase 764 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 1: that you guys use Christ as king. It's no, no, 765 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: we actually believe it. We actually believe that we were 766 00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: all in His kingdom and that we were all working 767 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: towards His kingdom. And part of that is bringing as 768 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: many people as possible into that kingdom with us. And 769 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,960 Speaker 1: if the way to do that, you know, if there's 770 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: a disagreement over politics, then okay, fine, right, there's a 771 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,400 Speaker 1: disagreement over politics, but that doesn't supersede the fact that 772 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: it is our duty to bring people into Christ's kingdom. 773 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: It's just that simple. And so look, you say, you 774 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: know how to you know, a rough year, but you know, 775 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 1: at least it's Christmas time. We can kick back and 776 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully try to find some commonality through Christmas. 777 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,719 Speaker 1: Use Christmas as a way to try to rebuild some 778 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: of those familial ties. And we are called to do so. 779 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: This is part of our duty as well as Christians. 780 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Taylor Marshall, I wanted to say thank you for 781 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: this round robin episode Christmas maxing the Truth about Christmas, 782 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: Santa Claus and Saint Nicholas. Tell people again the name 783 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: of the book and where people can go get it. 784 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 3: The book is Nikolaus, which is the original Greek name 785 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 3: of Saint Nicholas. You can get it on Amazon dot com. 786 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 3: It's a number one bestseller last Christmas, probably will be 787 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 3: another number one best seller again this Christmas. It's a 788 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 3: great fireside short read and it'll give you the authentic, 789 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 3: beautiful story of the real historical Nicholas named nika Laus. 790 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 2: Go to Amazon dot com. 791 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 3: There's also a great dramatic audio version if you want 792 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 3: to listen to with your family. High recommend that Nikolaus 793 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 3: go to Amazon. 794 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: But did you do it? But did you do the 795 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,439 Speaker 1: audiobook I did not. Ah, I'm trying to do mine 796 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,040 Speaker 1: for bulletproof, we'll say. 797 00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 2: And you have female voices. 798 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 3: It's a little bit tough. It's take out, but it's all. 799 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 3: I really recommend the audible version. It's beautiful, it's really glorious. 800 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 1: It's a great here's hoping, family, here's hoping you have 801 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: an incredible Christmas. To you, doctor Jel Marshall, the entire 802 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: Marshal Clan, to everyone out there, Merry Christmas, ladies and gentlemen. 803 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 1: Is always you Their mission to make sure