1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. As always, thank you 3 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: for tuning in. When we last met together here in 4 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: podcast land, we explored the strange, obscure story of the 5 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Nazi obsession with horses, which they took to uh just 6 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: bizarre lengths. Hi, I'm bet, I'm no, I hope I'm 7 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: not canceled after my um my Nazi horse intro on 8 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: the last episode. I thought it was funny. I'm not 9 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: gonna do it now though, or ever again? What why? 10 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I just I canceled myself after that. 11 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm I'm kidding. I thought it was cute. But this 12 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: is the part of the story, as we tease in 13 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: the last episode, where things kind of take an interesting turn. 14 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Not right away, but if you stick with us, I 15 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: think you will be rewarded. Oh On, agreed, So let's 16 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: ride out to the rest of the story. Of course, 17 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: with the help of our better third super producer, Casey 18 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: pegrum Boom. We're back in Germany. It's clear that German 19 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: forces are going to lose the war, and this is 20 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: where a veterinarian named Rudolph Lesson comes into play at 21 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: the farm at hostile our hippologist Raw has appointed this 22 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: veterinarian Rudolph Lesson, and when the tide of war has 23 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: clearly turned against Germany, this veter anarian Lessening and a 24 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: small group of Nazi officers who also happened to love horses, 25 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: start to worry that these regal stallions that they love 26 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: so much will be I don't know, uh, subject to degradation, 27 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: I guess stolen or eating. Oh my god, Because it 28 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: turns out that Russian forces were known for capturing enemy horses, 29 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: killing them, and eating them. That's yeah, okay, that's one 30 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: of those things that I've always been fascinated. But I 31 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: don't want anyone to think that I'm a monster. But 32 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,839 Speaker 1: where do these lines in the sand get drawn? Like 33 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: we will? People will eat rabbit. It's probably a little 34 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: lower on the you know, accepted food chain for most, 35 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: but you definitely hear about rabbit stew or you know, 36 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: lambs are about as cute as they come. Is it 37 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: a cuteness quotient? Is it a functionality quotation that makes 38 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: certain animals more or less acceptable to eat? Even today, 39 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm still a little bit perplexed by this whole continuum 40 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: of like which animals you know, squig people out if 41 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: you eat them? Yeah. I mean I'm the worst person 42 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: to ask about this because I really practice that line. 43 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: I mean I horse before, and it was I think 44 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: more for the cultural experience where I was. Was that 45 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: in Korea or Japan? That was in Japan? Yeah, but 46 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, still I I have some of the same lines, 47 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: like a horse meat is a more common thing, definitely 48 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: outside of the US and Canada, But I think a 49 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: lot of people have a line or two, like I 50 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: would not be comfortable eating, say a dog or a 51 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: cat unless I had to to survive, you know what 52 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: I mean? Uh huh, I do. And um maybe that's 53 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: what was happening with the Russians. And I'm making no 54 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: judgment on one way or the other. I was using 55 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: this as an opportunity to broach this subject. Casey, where 56 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: do you fall on this? And I don't want to 57 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: derail this too much, but I think it's fascinating where 58 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: do you fall on this? Like which animals are to eat? Line? 59 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: Is it about cuteness? Is it about utility? What is 60 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: it for you? Yeah? I think I think if we're honest. 61 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: I think it's the cuteness thing. And it's also like 62 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: you know, domesticated cuteness versus like in the wild cuteness. 63 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: That's probably part of it too, But honestly, I mean intelligence, right, 64 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: if we're if we're gonna be fair, if we're gonna 65 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: be ethical, intelligence is gonna be a big part of it. 66 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, we a lot of people eat pork, and 67 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: pigs are very very smart, and that's, uh, that's kind 68 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: of a conundrum. I still eat pork all the time, 69 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: but you know, I feel increasingly less great about it. 70 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: So the octopus as well, right, Fried Columnar, I mean 71 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: that's a supersentient being casey on the case. But back 72 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: to the Russians and you know, picking off these horses 73 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: and making fast work of them. Culinarily, Uh, these Russians 74 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: were absolutely moving in and the walls were closing in 75 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: on the Nazis, and these Russians really had none of 76 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: that reverence or cuddly sweet empathy that the Germans seemed 77 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: to have for you know, horses rather than humans. And 78 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: they just couldn't be less impressed by these, uh, these specimens, 79 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: and they didn't differentiate them from any old run of 80 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: the mill nag. You know, is that a thing isn't 81 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: a nag just like a regular horse. That just means 82 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: a female horse, doesn't it. I don't know. Well, nag 83 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: can mean a small horse, but it often has a 84 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: connotation of a older, useless horse. There you go, there 85 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: you go. Okay, well I use the word relatively appropriately there. 86 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: So they were again just not seeing what the Germans 87 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: were seeing when it came to these horses that they 88 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: ran across. But the Germans at hostile at this you know, 89 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: this facility. I mean, sure, were they tools of the 90 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: Third Reich, participating in a breeding program to create a 91 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: super horse you know, used for war. Yeah, But at 92 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: the end of the day, why were they there? Because 93 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: they were the best in the brightest in the country 94 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: when it came to animals, And you know, like you say, Ben, 95 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we know that people who really truly love 96 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: animals are typically good people. I'm not trying to like, 97 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, like soft pedal this or say these were 98 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: the good horse handler Nazis, but they definitely, you know, 99 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: cared about the animals under in their charge, and they 100 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: didn't want these bloodthirsty Russians coming in and make a 101 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: minced meat out of their prize lepositors. Right, yeah, I 102 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: think it can be a very good traits to like 103 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: and love animals, But I don't I don't think that 104 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: necessarily make you a good person. But you know what, 105 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: from the horse's perspective, these were great people, right, fair enough. 106 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 1: I also wouldn't point out one very interesting thing here. 107 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: We're talking about the problem of sentience or eating meat, 108 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: and asking where we draw the line. Adolf Hitler himself 109 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: was a vegetarian. That did not make him a good person. 110 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: People on the Internet love to point that out. That's like, um, 111 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: it's it's like a sub subsection of um, what's the 112 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: lives of Godwin's law? That all Internet debates will end 113 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: up invoking Nazi Germany at some point, Not to be 114 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: confused with Gladwin's law, which is something else that I'll 115 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: let Ben define. Oh gosh, oh man, we should probably 116 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: check with him off air to see what what his 117 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: law might surely surely he has what really quickly, I 118 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: just got to do this. I I've been just butchering, butchering, 119 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: butchering not horses, but the pronunciation of this particular breed 120 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: of force, because I just clocked myself saying it weird, 121 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: and I kind of decided to do a double take, 122 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: and it is lip is honors, not Lipos. So I'm 123 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: not gonna go I'm gonna go ahead and own that 124 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: one right now, as opposed to like going in and 125 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: like fixing every single one. Now, we don't do that 126 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: here on ridiculous history, but I will cop to it 127 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: right now and from here forth we will refer to 128 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: them as liposners. So I and I followed your lead 129 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: on that in episode. On the fact is, though, Ben, 130 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: we could I could have gotten it right the first 131 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: time when I read it more closely and then gradually 132 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: just kind of bastardized the pronunciation as we've made of 133 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: this two parter, and God knows, we don't remember what 134 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: we talked about from minute to minute, or at least 135 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: that's speaking for myself. But I think we're in a 136 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: good place now. We we were right with God and 137 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: we can reasonably progress forth with the story. Yeah, yeah, 138 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: there's another character here we have to introduce. His name 139 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: is Lieutenant Colonel Hubert Rudofski. Lieutenant Colonel Hubert Rudowski is 140 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: also a horse lover, and he's in charge of the 141 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: care of the horses on this farm. And when Lessen 142 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: and Rudofski and the other horse loving Nazi officers realized 143 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: that the Russians are coming and will steal their horses 144 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: or even worse, in their minds, eat them to survive. 145 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: Because you know, of course they did not consider Russians 146 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: entirely human, right, so they would think a horse is 147 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: way more important in the grand scheme of things. So 148 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: they did something that they would have never done. They said, 149 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,359 Speaker 1: we need to reach out to our enemies, the American forces. 150 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: We need them to help steal the horses to safety. 151 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Rodowski says, okay, look, the American forces are the only 152 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: way to save these horses. So he sends a spy 153 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: across the border, across the German border to meet with 154 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: the oncoming American forces and say, hey, I know we 155 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff going on right now. I 156 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: know there's a little bit of tension access and allies 157 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: and so on. But you guys love horses, right, You 158 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: guys are cool with animals. Will you help us save ours? Yeah, 159 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: they're they're appealing to that kind of common bond. Whether 160 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: or not they like hate each other ideologically, they can 161 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: both at least agree that horses are cool and probably 162 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: shouldn't be like, you know, openly slaughtered. So they basically 163 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: joined forces in like a weird buddy comedy kind of situation. 164 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: You know, Uh, what do we say? Sort of almost 165 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: like an Inglorious Bastards but a little bit kinder and gentler. 166 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: It's like clever Hans meets in Glorious Bastards. Yeah, and 167 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: here's what goes down. So we know that Germany surrenders 168 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: on May seven, that's with the official announcement, but about 169 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: eleven days earlier, more than a week earlier, that German 170 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 1: intelligence officer we talked about, the one that Rudowski ended 171 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: up sending. He surrenders to the US second Cavalry Group. 172 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: And when he surrenders, this is his strategy. Whendy surrenders. 173 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: He has a bunch of photographs of these Thoroughbred horses, 174 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: so he's like throwing up his hands and say I surrender, 175 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: and then like showing the pictures and the horses same, 176 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: please save our stallions. Uh. And then this guy was 177 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: a Luftwaffe colonel I believe his name was Walter Holters. 178 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: So he gets interrogated the way any surrendering officer would 179 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: and he says, quote, not far from here, some of 180 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: the most valuable horses in the world are being sheltered. 181 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: These are no ordinary horses. These are royal. Give it 182 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: to me one more time, you'll la pass right. Yeah, 183 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: there were from its lips, slip, its lip, its honors, 184 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: double lips, honors. These are royal lips from Vienna. He says, 185 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: he did say this, and then he says, the German 186 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: army sent them to this farm hostile for safekeeping. Now 187 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: they're going to get captured by the Russians and they 188 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: have to figure out what they're going to do. They 189 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: sure do. So that's the We've got our hero of 190 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: the the day, or the moment, at least, a Colonel 191 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: James Hancock Hank Reed, who reached out to the head 192 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: Hans show the man himself, General George S. Patton. And 193 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: when word reaches Patton that those stallions were stuck behind 194 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: enemy lines in Czechoslovakia, you know, he I get, I 195 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: don't know. This is just a little bit of editorialization. Again. 196 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: He must have had that same little animal, you know, 197 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: part of his heart and soul that that gave that 198 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: has brought him to two tears with the thought of 199 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: these cuties getting sliced up by enemy forces, and so 200 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: he decides to make this a priority and sends that 201 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: cavalry to save them. And they have to do it 202 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: in secret, Patton says, get them, meaning the horses, make 203 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: it fast. The reason it has to be in secret 204 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: is because the U. S Army had already cracked in 205 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: agreement with Stalid. Remember the Stalin in the US did 206 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: not trust each other. They just had a common cause. 207 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: So they cracked this agreement with stalind that they would 208 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: advance no further than Germany's border with checklist Slovakia. And 209 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: the horses again are over the border. So it's against 210 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: that agreement for the US to intervene. But the die 211 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: is cast and their path is set. A small group 212 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: of Nazi German soldiers and US soldiers decided to put 213 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: the war to one side, to bracket it, or as 214 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: they say in corporate America, to put a pinion it 215 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: for a moment, and team up to get to the 216 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: farm and rescue these horses. Oh and really quickly. Uh yeah, 217 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: I mentioned that Patton his eyes lit up in in 218 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: the as much as like a dead eyed you know, 219 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: military strategist genius like that size could possibly do. But 220 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: he was in fact an actual horse lover when he 221 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: heard that these horses were in need of rescuing. And 222 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: it turns out he actually was a legitimate, documented horse lover. 223 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: He was a huge fan of Polo and he had 224 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: competed in the nineteen twelve Olympic pentatholon. I didn't know 225 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: anything about Patton's pre military history. That's pretty interesting. Remember 226 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: Colonel Charles Hancock hank Lee, who was the one who 227 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: told Patton about this, uh, this whole course situation in 228 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: the first place. Well, Patton gave the order and moments 229 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: later hank ree this gentleman um who was a horseman himself, uh, 230 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: the commanding officer of the second Cavalry in Europe. Um, 231 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: he dispatched one of his soldiers and who was a 232 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: writer himself from Tennessee to team up with this particular 233 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: Nazi veterinarian to make this as quick and nimble in 234 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: operation as possible. Because Patton made it very clear. Yeah, 235 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: like he said a minute ago, Ben that this was 236 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: something that had be done in secret. But he took 237 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: it a step further and said, if they were ever discovered. 238 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: Patton would never he would disavow this entire thing and 239 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: and not you know, uh it was. So that's what 240 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: makes this a black ops. Isn't that right then? Isn't 241 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: that what a black like an off book kind of operation? Right? Yeah, 242 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: plausible deniability because think about it, if they're caught and 243 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: Russia wants to push the case, this could endanger the 244 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: alliance of the Allies as the potential to which would 245 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: change the course of history. Yep. So Hank Greed chooses 246 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: this guy from Tennessee who's familiar with horses, guy named 247 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: Captain Tom Stewart, as he said, to team up with Lessing, 248 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: the German veterinarian. So in the dark of night, they 249 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: move through miles of forests and the ruins of villages 250 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: that have been destroyed to capture these horses and return 251 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: with them to the US forces before the Russian troops arrive. 252 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: And when Lessie gets back to the farm, he takes 253 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: Captain Stewart and hides him in his apartment and then 254 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: he goes to negotiate with the director of the farm. 255 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: So Lessie tells Captain Stewart, hey, here, hide in my 256 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: apartment on the farm. Su premisis I'm gonna go to 257 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: my boss, the director of the farm, and and say like, hey, 258 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: let's save the horses. And then I'm even gonna go 259 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: to the German general in charge of this region and 260 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: be like, hey, bro, don't you love horses too. They 261 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: just needed to convince the Germans that they would officially 262 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: surrender the horse farm to the US immediately again, because 263 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: they thought the US forces would treat the horses better 264 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: than the Russian forces would. And Stewart actually wrote an 265 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: official letter to that was like a memo to German 266 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: commanders at hostile and he just basically appealed to their humanity, 267 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: you know, and said, the Americans wished to assist you 268 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: in evacuating the horses safely back across the border to Bavaria. 269 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: And it hit home. Uh, these German commanders, realizing that 270 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: they were toasts, that it was over for them as 271 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: far as like, you know, uh prevailing in the war effort, 272 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: decided to cut their losses in at least, you know, okay, well, 273 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: at least we can like do a good thing. And 274 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: they and they did. They helped them free the horses 275 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: and they all were guided safely back to Bavaria. Yeah, 276 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: let's really made an appeal to the horse lover in 277 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: everyone involved, right. Uh. He says, it is unimportant for 278 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: us to win the war. Here at this horse farm, 279 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: it's our duty to do everything we can to save 280 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: these horses. So they make a flag, a white flag, 281 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: the old standard of surrender, out of a bed sheet. 282 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: They put it up on the farm's flagpole, and then 283 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: a few hours later US forces officially take over the 284 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: farm and they start making plans to get the horses 285 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: to safety. And there's something there. There's a poetic quote 286 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 1: about this from the commanding officer of the Second Calvary 287 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: from Hank Reed, and and it stayed with me. He says, 288 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: we were so tired of death and destruction, we wanted 289 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: to do something beautiful. Makes the perfect sense. You're facing 290 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: your own demise, you know. I mean, they know what's 291 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: going to happen to them, and maybe they're not going 292 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: to be executed, but they know their lives are over. Uh, 293 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: why not go for a moment of redemption? And I'm 294 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: not saying this is enough to redeem all of the 295 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: horrible acts of the Nazi Party, but I see the impulse. 296 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: I understand the drive there, and it's a nice place 297 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: to sort of wrap up the story or begin to. 298 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: I think we've got a little bit of epilogue for 299 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: you as well, don't we. Yeah, So the big question 300 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: what happened to the horses? And then also what happened 301 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: to these soldiers? You know the personally just quoted Hank 302 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 1: read is he's on the U. S. Side, But everybody 303 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 1: in this war has seen so many terrible things, right, 304 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: and you feel you feel like, even though you're you're 305 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: fighting for what you see is the greater good, you 306 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: were also committing acts of violence. So how beautiful it 307 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: is to maybe save something instead of destroy it. The 308 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: surrender at the farm is peaceful. Lieutenant William Donald quinn Livin, 309 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: I love that name was the first of seventy US 310 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,959 Speaker 1: troops to arrive on the scene, and once they had 311 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: secured the base, the U. S. Troops thought the mission 312 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: was over. But on April a small German force that 313 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: had decided to fight to the death entered into a 314 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: five hour battle with the soldiers on the farm. It 315 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: ended up with two US troopstein and that was one 316 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: of the impetus is for the US military to ship 317 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 1: the horses all the way to the US. They say, 318 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: we're taking up we're stealing them. Like you asked, the 319 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: safest place we can think of is back home in 320 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: the good old US of a. Imagine having to transport, 321 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: having to safely transport these live horses across Europe. That 322 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: is a tall milkshake, my friends. And it felt like 323 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: it was the only choice they had because food insecurity 324 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: was so widespread and rampant that these horses had. Despite 325 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: their stereotypes about Russians, horses in any country at this 326 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: point had a very high likelihood of being killed and eating. 327 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: So in u fall of fifty one of these remarkable 328 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: horses are airlifted onto the Stephen F. Austin, which is 329 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: an amphibious docking ship. And that right then, what does that? 330 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: What does that mean? Exactly? Yeah, there are several US S. Austin's, 331 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: but this one was the third U S. S. Austin 332 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: and it is an amphibious transport DOC. So, an amphibious 333 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: transport DOC is it's a ship that can transport troops 334 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: into a war zone by sea, usually like shooting out 335 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: landing craft. Uh. And they also have nowadays, they have 336 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: the ability to transport helicopters and things like that. So 337 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: this is a ship that has room for the horses. 338 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: It is probably the most important part here, Yeah, exactly, 339 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: and they were allowed to flourish. Uh. And that's kind 340 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: of the happy ending of the story, you know, Like 341 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like we said, Uh, animals like 342 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: this have no control over their situation. And it always 343 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: kind of pulls on my heartstrings when you see them 344 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: kind of used for nefarious purposes. I don't know, I'm 345 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: not a big fan of breeding and the complications and 346 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: the moral kind of dilemmas behind all of that. Pure 347 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: breeding and stuff anyway, or cross breeding, right, we talked 348 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: about that with the tigers. That's something that you see 349 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: with like pure bred dogs and dog shows and stuff, 350 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of feelings about things like that. 351 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: So that alone, um kind of makes me twitch a 352 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: little bit. But then when you know they're being bred 353 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: for use in war, that's even worse. So it's great 354 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: to see a hundred and fifty one of them at least, 355 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: I mean that that that must have just been a fraction. Ben, 356 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: I know they were trying to breed thousands and thousands 357 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: of these, right, So think of the ones that that 358 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: were lost, Yeah, the ones that they that were also 359 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: never born because the breeding program did not continue. It's 360 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: strange because this saved the entire concept of these horses, right, 361 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 1: because all of the existing living versions of this horse 362 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: have been gathered in this one arm and if they 363 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: had not been transported out to the US, they probably 364 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: would have been lost, you know, whether eaten, whether dying 365 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: and starvation, etcetera. So, in the midst of all the 366 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: chaos and terror and in humanity or in horsemanity maybe 367 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: of World War Two, it's inspiring that there is this 368 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: one tale wherein people put aside the war that they 369 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: have pledged to fight in to save some animals. It 370 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: does tug on the heart strings. And so in a way, you, guys, 371 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: I think we found a happy ending here. We absolutely did, 372 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: and I think there's no better place to wrap up 373 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: than with a happy ending. Not to mention, we're thirty 374 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: four minutes and eighteen seconds into this recording, and despite 375 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: a little peek behind the curtain, guys, some of my 376 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: moments of not picking up the baton when passed to 377 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: me because dealing with one of the other by products 378 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: of our jobs here in podcast them. Uh, it's probably 379 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: gonna shrink down to maybe a little shorter than that. 380 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: But I think it's a respectable episode and respectable to part. 381 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: And I really appreciate you Ben and you Casey for 382 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: joining me on this journey. Yeah back catch. 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Yeah, that 403 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: just means someone else is gonna start it for us. Uh, 404 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: you can buy me at at Ben Bolan hsw on Twitter. 405 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: Thanks as always to Jonathan Strickland, a k a. The 406 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 1: Quister Huge. Thanks to Christopher haciotis here in spirit, Alex Williams, 407 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: who composed our theme research associate extraordinariir game Lousierer. I 408 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: did that because it rhyme with extraordinaire. I wouldn't pronounce 409 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: it extraordinary, so I should have pronounced it Gabe Losier, 410 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: And he's never really told us how to pronounce it, 411 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: So I think it's open season on pronunciation of Gabe's 412 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,239 Speaker 1: last name. He is a real pill about that, and 413 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have to have a discussion. We've 414 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: got to have you back on the show. Oh, I 415 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: had a blast with that one. Another respectable two parter. 416 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: Uh what did I think I left that? Suproducer, Casey 417 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: Bagram Huge, Thanks to you, my friend. What's your takeaway? 418 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: On this epic horse adventure. This is a second horse 419 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: episode and as many weeks. I'm just wondering if, like 420 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: Clever Hans was sighted down in Argentina, like after you 421 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: know things. I don't know, was that World War two? 422 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: That was World War One? Right, so maybe the timeline 423 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: would be a little bit off for him being part 424 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: of this story. But you're right, Casey, Maybe he just 425 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe he made his grand getaway. Maybe 426 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: Clever Hans is on an island with Tupac and the 427 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: white tiger that mauled christ Christ Roy whatever his name is. 428 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: I know he died not the tiger too soon. Sorry, guys, 429 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: I made this a real bummer at the end, brought 430 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: it down. I I I can, I can take us 431 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: from a bummer to a groan. I am finally after 432 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: two episodes, able to tell you, guys some terrible horse 433 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: jokes that was saving for the end. Did you hear 434 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: about the man who went to the hospital with six 435 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: plastic horses inside him? What do you mean, like in 436 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: his heart, just in the body. The doctors. The doctors 437 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: described his condition as stable. I don't know. I thought 438 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: this was like some sort of like mega fail story. 439 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: Where the guy had shoved a bunch of plastic horses 440 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:42,360 Speaker 1: up his body. Um, okay, just I think we're done 441 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: with this show. I think we've done all the things 442 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: and we're just like punchy because it is six fIF 443 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: on a Friday, and I think we still have some 444 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: asks to do. So how about we'll just see you 445 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: next time? Books, How do you make a small fortune 446 00:27:53,840 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: on horse racing? Start with a large fortune? 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