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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to the Monday edition of Fair Territory. Quite

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Speaker 1: busy weekend, quite a lot to get you on the show. Today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Paul Skeins, of course, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the demise of the Cardinals, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about the Giants injury Rose. I've got a special

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Speaker 1: inside dish today. It revolves around Gatorade, Yes, Gatorade, and

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Speaker 1: then your fan questions. John Fisher is one of them.

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Speaker 1: Interesting and we've also got questions about the Padres and

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Speaker 1: a crazy trade that really is not so crazy. It's

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Speaker 1: a proposal from a fan. But let's start off talking

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Speaker 1: about the biggest news in baseball over the weekend, really

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Speaker 1: maybe one of the bigger stories all year, the debut

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Speaker 1: of Paul Skins in Pittsburgh. And what a debut it was.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen pitches over one hundred miles per hour. That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: You see the line there, it's a little bit deceptive.

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Speaker 1: He left with a six to one lead and two

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Speaker 1: runners on base. Both runners scored. Why because that was

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Speaker 1: then the less than immaculate inning in which the Pirates

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Speaker 1: issued six count them six bases loaded walks. Pirates, you

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Speaker 1: need to wake up here. That wasn't very good at all.

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Speaker 1: A couple of things really stood out to me about

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Speaker 1: Skins and not so much on the mound. One was

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Speaker 1: how he arrived at PNC Park. And this might be

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Speaker 1: a little thing and you might say, Ken, what are

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Speaker 1: you talking about, But literally, this dude he came in

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Speaker 1: a suit, full time, full look everything. Now, players routinely

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Speaker 1: dress up, actually not even so routinely anymore, for getaway

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Speaker 1: days when they're going to travel sometimes require them to

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Speaker 1: dress like that. But the Pirates were not in a

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Speaker 1: situation like that. It was a Saturday game, they weren't

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Speaker 1: traveling after the game. But this dude, he meant business.

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Speaker 1: And this kind of impressed me. It's a little thing,

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Speaker 1: I know, but I remember Chris Paddock when he came

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Speaker 1: up he would do the same thing, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of a message that, hey, I mean business. The other

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Speaker 1: thing that I wanted to mention regarding schemes is something

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Speaker 1: John Smoltz brought up on the Fox broadcast on Saturday

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Speaker 1: when we were doing the Brewers Cardinals game. John asked

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Speaker 1: the question, why was this guy in the minor leagues

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Speaker 1: at all? Why was he wasting innings? Down there when

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Speaker 1: he could have been pitching in the majors. And it's

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Speaker 1: certainly a fair question. What the Pirates were trying to

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Speaker 1: do was ramp him up slowly. Remember this kid was

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Speaker 1: in college last year, and they wanted to keep the

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Speaker 1: intensity low at the start and then build up and

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Speaker 1: bring him up obviously in early May, and take it

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Speaker 1: from there. John's point, and John is a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame pitcher, of course, is that every inning you pitch

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Speaker 1: throwing in the majors, And why not just take full

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Speaker 1: advantage ramp him up in the majors. Certainly a fair question.

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Speaker 1: No one knows the answer on how to keep pictures healthy,

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Speaker 1: on what the best ramp up procedure is, on how

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Speaker 1: many innings they should throw in a season. We don't

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Speaker 1: have these answers. If we did, maybe pitchers would not

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Speaker 1: be getting hurt at the rate that they are. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Skeen's debut is in the book. He pitches again on Friday,

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Speaker 1: or at least he is scheduled to against the same

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Speaker 1: opponent he faced Saturday, the Chicago Cubs. This one will

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Speaker 1: be at Wrigley Field, a place where We once saw

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Speaker 1: Mark Pryor do some big things, Carrie Wood do some

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Speaker 1: big things. Going way back to Ferguson Jenkins, he did

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Speaker 1: some big things. Historic Ballpark and Paul Skeen's second major

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Speaker 1: league start. You see the gatorade bath right there. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk more about gatorade in the next segment. Now, this weekend,

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Speaker 1: I was in Milwaukee with John Smoltz. As I mentioned

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Speaker 1: in Adam Amein. We did the Cardinals Brewers game, and

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Speaker 1: it was quite interesting to see this series unfold. It

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Speaker 1: was a four game series. The Brewers won the first

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Speaker 1: three games before the Cardinals finally salvaged the finale on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Now what stood out to me here would has stood

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Speaker 1: out all season to people who follow the Cardinals, people

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Speaker 1: have started so slowly. It's almost like after their last

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Speaker 1: Now that might be overstating, and I know, but I

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Speaker 1: NL Central standings right now, they're eight games back, eight

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Speaker 1: They are twenty ninth in runs per game, twenty ninth

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Speaker 1: John Mozelak, President Baseball Operations, appeared on the Cardinals' affiliate camox.

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Speaker 1: I guess it was his weekly appearance, and he was

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Speaker 1: asked about the future of manager Ali Marmal. Now, the

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Speaker 1: baseball season when if managers are going to get fired,

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Speaker 1: it's usually around now, about forty games in. And let's

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Speaker 1: listen to what John Mozelok said, because I found it

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Speaker 2: You're taking a lot of heat. Everybody is the ownership

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Speaker 2: you Ali Marmel, There's no doubt players.

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Speaker 1: How do you see Ali through all of this?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 3: What is your evaluation of your manager?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's these these are times that are difficult,

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Speaker 2: like you know, I still think he understands the job.

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Speaker 2: I think he knows how to manage. I think he's

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Speaker 2: trying to, you know, put the right combination of players in.

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Speaker 2: But you know, at some level you got to have

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Speaker 2: some performance. And yeah, I understand, like fans are not

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Speaker 2: So I think we have to just keep trying to

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Speaker 2: you know, look, we understand. If it doesn't, then you know,

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Speaker 2: people are going to be held accountable. And you know,

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Speaker 2: ultimately that starts with me.

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Speaker 1: Now, votes of confidence can be empty. We all know that.

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Speaker 1: But here's the problem. If John Mozelac wants to dismiss

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Speaker 1: Oli Marmal, the problem is he just gave him an

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Speaker 1: extension on March fifteenth. March fifteenth, less than two months ago.

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals extended Ali Marmal through two thoy and twenty six,

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Speaker 1: another two years beyond this one. If John Mozelac wants

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Speaker 1: Mozelak and a lot of fans in Saint Louis, a

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Speaker 1: stands for what has happened to this team over the years.

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Speaker 1: So there is a lot of heat right now in

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Speaker 1: to continue. I wrote today with Katie Wu of The

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Speaker 1: They had done some things in free agency. Jung Huli

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Speaker 1: the Inside Dish. This is the part of the show

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Speaker 1: this week. I'm going to talk about an occurrence in

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about gatorade baths. Now, I recognize gatorade bats

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Speaker 1: when you're a dugout reporter doing postgame interviews or an

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Speaker 1: occupational hazard. They happen. They're unavoidable. Players seem to love them,

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Speaker 1: the metal women who get their clothes ruined on occasion.

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Speaker 1: Here it is Orange Gatorade. Kevin Cash sets to raise

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Speaker 1: franchise record for all time wins by a manager appropriate

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Speaker 1: to interview. I didn't see this one coming. A raised

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Speaker 1: and Brit Gieroli to get on this immediately to find

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Speaker 1: out which raised coach was the guilty party. Why do

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Speaker 1: I care because that suit you don't really see it

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Speaker 1: right there, That suit got ruined by the Orange Gatorade.

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Speaker 1: Now I can't exactly ask the Rays to buy a

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Speaker 1: week in Milwaukee, Rees Hoskins. This is an interesting story. Actually,

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Speaker 1: Shortly before the game ended, one of the photographers where

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Speaker 1: Do you still consider the Padres no competition for the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: the last two years? Twenty twenty two Padres knocked the

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