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Speaker 1: to get back for workouts. I'm George Rice Stir with

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Speaker 1: Ralph Ampton and this is the Pack twelve Apostles. Thank

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Speaker 1: now it's time to get to the show, Ralph. Everybody

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Speaker 1: forming kid uh j T Tim mo Lao. Did Did

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Speaker 1: I say that correctly? J T? Him? Yeah, he's he

434
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Speaker 1: is very very good. I know, rivals keeps dropping him

435
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Speaker 1: in the rankings. I think he's down to the number

436
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: four player in the country. I think he's still number

437
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Speaker 1: one over seven and he is special. Special Pack twelve

438
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: is gonna has an uphill battle to keep him away

439
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: from Ohio State. Yeah, and then there's uh Mecca Bucca

440
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver. So old Olds kids are from Washington,

441
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: and Washington thinks that they that they are going to

442
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Speaker 1: sign those kids. I think it's probably very unlikely that

443
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: they signed either of them, but both of them for sure. Yeah,

444
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: everything that I've heard is uh that that j T

445
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 1: is trending to Columbus um or what what what are

446
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 1: they trying to name renamed Columbus Flavor Town or whatever.

447
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: But I've definitely heard that he is he has a

448
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: potential to leave the state, but that that would be

449
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: either one of those guys would be huge for for

450
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake and his first campaign as head coach oh

451
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: for for sure. And then there's Corey Foreman and you

452
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 1: had and that's what's kind of put Washington and A

453
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 1: s U on high alert and A and USC as well,

454
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: because they're like, hold up, Oregon wasn't even in the

455
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: mix for either one of these kids. When they put

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Speaker 1: out like their top seven or whatever they put out,

457
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, now they're in there

458
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: in the game, and that's what leads to the bag

459
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: men comments and all of that. And recruiting is very interesting,

460
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: especially in June, because people will tell you don't be concerned.

461
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: But I always, if I'm a school, I like to

462
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: get my commits in early and then worry about if

463
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: there is some change on the back end. And but

464
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: I ultimately think that I do believe that Jake Garcia

465
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: is going to decommend and probably land at Miami, which

466
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: is going to drop USC's class. I think that it

467
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: will probably end up Oregon one in the PAC twelve

468
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: USC two, but I think that that will be super

469
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: close because they are killing, and both were killing and

470
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: recruiting right now. Washington end up third, U C l

471
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: A or Cali in the fourth, and and then a

472
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Speaker 1: SU will be somewhere either fourth or fifth. Um Now

473
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: on to the next thing. Ralph our podcast ratings, I

474
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: blame this on you. This is your fault and this

475
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: all this clearly shows how much power that that your

476
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: words have because I always asked for five star ratings

477
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: and tell and tell people that this is very important

478
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: that we want five star ratings because this pushes us

479
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: up in the ratings. Let people see us and know

480
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: us and all of this stuff. And you are the guy, Oh,

481
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm not competitive. Four stars are great. We did fantastic.

482
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: And I look on here and I see the ratings,

483
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: and I get a four star for Ralph because Ralph's

484
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: a four star podcaster. Ralph, come on, man, And when

485
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: another person said four stars to keep George George humble,

486
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: and that's a Ralph thing too. Would you here's my

487
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: question to you. Would you rather get a five star

488
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: review every time and admit that I'm right that I'm

489
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 1: not a competitive person, or would you rather be right

490
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: about me potentially being a competitive person and get a

491
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: four star review every once in a while, because because

492
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm about to hold this whole thing for ransom and

493
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: uh well, let's let's let's get into some of these reviews,

494
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: because we we have six that are unread. And the

495
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: first one, the most important one that I want to

496
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: get to, is our guy Guerrilla Bears, who if he

497
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: does if he continues to do this, I will make

498
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: him a regular part of the show. I will make

499
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: there will be a weekly Guerrilla Bears segment because after

500
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: we spent a good fifteen minutes talking about his epic

501
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: takedown one star review of our our last episode, we

502
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: did a mini episode talk and all about his one

503
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: star review. He went back in and he changed his

504
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: one star review and it is now titled garbage and

505
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: and and are you ready because it was about what

506
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: a four or word review last time? Are you ready for? Yes?

507
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: So this is this is the new updated review for

508
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: this week's episode, garbage, last episode. So so this is

509
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: like a living, breathing thing. And I tell you what,

510
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: Guerrilla Bears, whoever you are. First of all, I love you.

511
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: I hope you are happy and healthy, uh in this

512
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: time of uncertainty, and I wish your utah you it's

513
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: the very best. Secondly, if you keep doing this, we

514
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: will keep reading it because, uh, an updated review each

515
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: week is something I would be incredibly excited for. And maybe,

516
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: just maybe we can earn your trust back and ump

517
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: up the star ratings. Uh, because the film that he

518
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: updated it amazing. Gorilla Bears is unintentionally becoming part of

519
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: the of the show, and hopefully he wants to be

520
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: a part of it, because that would be absolutely epic. Well,

521
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: the fact that he left us that one star review

522
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: and then he came back and he listened to the

523
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: to the next mini episode. Uh, that was really cool

524
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 1: of him, Like, that was super big of him because

525
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: he was obviously upset with what we were, with what

526
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: we were saying, and he still returned and that that

527
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 1: might speak more to this era of absolutely nothing to

528
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 1: do and no sports and so you know, but my

529
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: hope is, um, my hope is that he will continue

530
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: to update his review and then eventually we'll work our

531
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: way up from the perpetual one star. But we got

532
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: another one here from E Devil six. The honest and

533
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: open conversations this podcast has is wonderful. It sheds a

534
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: lot of light on controversial issue and nails it every time.

535
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: That is incredibly kind. Um, I'm pretty sure according to

536
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Guerrilla Bears, we don't nail it every time, but that

537
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 1: that that was a really cool review. Um. We got

538
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: another one here from five Underscore. Oh underscore three underscore

539
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong. That's an Oregon area code, right, yep,

540
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: says great. Listen if you're a Pack twelve fan, love

541
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: the pod, disregard any one star reviews as salty Utah

542
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: fans or maybe a husky. I just wanted to tell

543
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: you keep up the great content. Listen every week ago ducks.

544
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: So we now we now have people calling out gorilla

545
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: bears within the review ecosystem. Oh, this is my favorite. Uh.

546
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: And then the two that you're upset with, the two

547
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: fourth star reviews, which for four stars is plenty good.

548
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: I'm not saying leave a four star review. I'm not

549
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: saying leave a four star review, but I am going

550
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: to read the two four star reviews that we got

551
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: this week, which I am proud of. Uh. One is

552
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: titled Ralph is a four star podcaster. Ralph asked for

553
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: four stars. I delivered, So that's that's true. Uh. This

554
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: one from Sean Canary good Pack twelve podcast four out

555
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: of five stars to keep George humble. Uh, I feel

556
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: like I feel like that person nailed it. And then

557
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: we got one last one that's a five star. This

558
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: is more along the lines of what you were looking for.

559
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: I think from Aisy Angel, I think I know this guy.

560
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: I think his name is Paul. He's on Twitter. He

561
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: lives in Utah and he likes to troll the ut

562
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: He said, if you're listening to this podcast, will be entertained.

563
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: The most underrated sports personality in the PAC twelve in

564
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: Ralph Amsden and his co host some Oregon Duck Some

565
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: Oregon Duck Rando. I rated is thing five stars. Even

566
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: though Ralph loves the Arizona Wildcats and man crushes on

567
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: their starting quarterbacks. The hosts do offer solid insight into recruiting,

568
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: backstories and program developments throughout the Pack, the friendship as

569
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: a parent through banter in good times. I also enjoy

570
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: listening to Pack twelve episodes and laughing at how bad

571
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: they are in ranking players and predicting season outcomes. Oh yeah,

572
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: hashtag fire Larry Scott. So that's the tradeoff. Do you

573
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: want five star reviews that call you George Rice Stir

574
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: former NFL tight end, some Oregon Duck Rando, Right, dude, dude,

575
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: former NFL tight and Fox Sports radio host whatever, yeah,

576
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: Oregon Randoll whatever. Alright, that's fine. I will take all

577
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: the five star reviews. I would never admit that you're

578
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: not a competitive person, and you are so not competitive

579
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: that you still have not played me in and a

580
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: connect for a gig because I was kicking your as

581
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: up and down connect for this is true and maybe

582
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: maybe on my long road trip, maybe I'll maybe I'll

583
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: feel like, uh, I feel like getting back into it.

584
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: But here, here, here's my question. How am I supposed

585
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: to feel about being called underrated as a non competitive person?

586
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to react to that. Is

587
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: that a good thing? Is that a bad thing? Um?

588
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: I would take that as a positive, but then a

589
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: negative because I'd be like, well, why why am I

590
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,919
Speaker 1: not more widely recognized? I'm upset about that. I need

591
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: to find something like a chip on my shoulder like

592
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: I have that. You know, that thing where people are

593
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: always perpetually having to be upset about something for motivation.

594
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: That that's me. You're the guerrilla bears of us. Yeah. Um.

595
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: A topic that you brought up, Ralph, is so I did.

596
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: I filled in on the Doug Gottlieb Show this week,

597
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: well last week, and um, in hosting the show, Ralph

598
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: brought up a point. He was like, Yo, what is up?

599
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: And the reason why he brought it up is because

600
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: Doug had a Pat Tilman take as it related to

601
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick, and Ralph was like, Yo, what is up

602
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: with all these Pat Tilman takes like, why does everybody

603
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: have do they have a wallet full of Pat Tilman

604
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: takes that they're just waiting to to pull out when

605
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: just totally the bad timing every single time. And I

606
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: don't know, Ralph, they just make me so frustrated. Man,

607
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: he's been gone a really long time. He is whatever

608
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: he is to you. Um he That's That's somebody who's

609
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: always been very very special to me personally, just because

610
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: I was in junior high high school when he was

611
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: playing at Arizona State and then he got drafted to

612
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: the Cardinals in the seventh round, moved from linebacker to safety,

613
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: played his way onto the field, playing next to I

614
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: mean the the guys he was playing next to. Finding

615
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: a home in that secondary. He had NFL Hall of

616
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: Famer Enius Williams, uh Kwamie Lasseter, who I believe was

617
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: a pro bowler at the time Rest in peace, Quami,

618
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: and I think Corey Javis was out there as well,

619
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: and he was one of the best best cover corners

620
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: in Arizona Cardinals history outside of Enius Williams. He found

621
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: a home in that secondary and he it was very

622
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: evident that he was going to be a very good

623
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: player in the league for for a very long time.

624
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: You know, he made the decision that he made after

625
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: after nine eleven, And that was my senior year in

626
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: high school, and a lot of my friends made that

627
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: same decision. I came very close to making that same

628
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: decision as well. And then you know the subsequent sort

629
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: of loss of innocence of his disillusionment with the situation,

630
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 1: he found himself getting killed by one of his fellow

631
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: soldiers in the government covering it up. The whole thing

632
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: is an American hero story, it's an American tragedy. Um,

633
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: on an individual level, an incredible person, a very unique person,

634
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: a unicorn in our time right, a sacrificial person who

635
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: also was a critical thinker and an EmPATH like who

636
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: felt deeply for other people. Um never wanted to be

637
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: lionized as as a hero, never wanted to be canonized

638
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: as this holy man or anything like that. And and

639
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: I feel like the one thing that we owe to

640
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: him more than anything else. And I didn't know him personally,

641
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: but I know a lot of people who played with

642
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: him and who did know him, and they all uniformly

643
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: feel the exact same way. Uh, is that, Hey, this

644
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 1: is not a guy who would want his name dragged

645
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: out for someone to prove a point. You, if you

646
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: want to be like Pat Silman, may be able to

647
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: stand on your own with your own thoughts, with your

648
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: own convictions, with your own value is. And it seems

649
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: like every single time something happens out there, especially having

650
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: to do with Colin Kaepernick, Uh, whether it's Doug Gottlieb

651
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: or Kevin blackistone or anybody else, people want to use

652
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: Pat Tillman's name and legacy to further whatever they personally believe. Uh,

653
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's I don't know. I just I

654
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: want to bang my head against the wall because again,

655
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: like uh, you know, um Kyle Murphy who was an

656
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: offensive lineman on the Rose Bowl team and played with him,

657
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, he's in deep pain every time he sees

658
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: Pat Tillman's name get drug out there. And you know,

659
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: I feel for him, and I feel for everybody else

660
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: because it's just what what do we gotta do to

661
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: get people to stop bringing him up and just let

662
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: him rest? You know? Yeah. See, the thing about Pat

663
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: is is that I don't feel like that he I

664
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: feel like he gets the wrecked nisition with the Arizona

665
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: Cardinals and with the Arizona State sun Devils that he deserves.

666
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: I don't feel like he gets the credit nationally that

667
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: he deserves. And and I think that this is just

668
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: a weird nuance situation situation because you have people who

669
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: stood up and fought for something and all of that

670
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: and in different aspects of life all the all the time.

671
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: But I feel like the circumstances surrounding his death with

672
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: friendly fire that that kind of took away from some

673
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: of the greatness of what he did. You know, because

674
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: we've seen Sniper, We've seen the movie about the guys

675
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: who were uh, like it was three Navy seals against

676
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: the all of like all all the Taliban and all

677
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: this stuff, and a couple of them made it out,

678
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: and it was just like, I wish that there was

679
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: a story that we could see that could be movie

680
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: made about him, because I do feel like he does

681
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: deserve it, But I also feel like he doesn't deserve

682
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: what his name gets turned into because there's a lot

683
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: of people that try to use his name to further

684
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: there takes or their agenda when they have no clue

685
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: what he would have said about Colin Kaepernick kneeling. You

686
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: don't know what he would have said about, you know,

687
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: about protests. You don't know what he would have said

688
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: about equality. You don't know what he would have said

689
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: about Larry Scott, you don't know what he would have

690
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: said about anything. So to assume what he would have said,

691
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: it's just it's just so bad, like and I just

692
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: feel like it's almost despicable for people to do that

693
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: to try to further their cause, because we've seen with J. J.

694
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: Watt where they said, oh, j J. Watt, wouldn't wouldn't

695
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: do do this? And J J. Watt came out and

696
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: tweet it was like, don't speak for me. Uh, stone Coach,

697
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: Steve Austin. Everybody thought that he would be because he

698
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: is a country boy, redneck and all this thing, and

699
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: turned turned out the dudes in favor of Black Lives

700
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Matter and forgave marriage. So it's like, who would have thought,

701
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: you know that the dude that was running around smashing

702
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: beer saying that's the way it is because Stone Cold

703
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: said so, would be on this on the side of

704
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: these things. So hopefully people And the thing about Pat

705
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 1: is he's just not here two to give whatever take

706
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 1: he would have, and maybe he would be more conservative

707
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: than Tucker Carlson, and maybe he would be more liberal

708
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: than Governor Gavin Newsom. We just don't get to know.

709
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: And that's part of losing someone, is you lose out

710
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: on all of that. And I think it just reinforces

711
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: the seriousness and the alumnus of what it is that

712
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: somebody gives up and somebody sacrifices. Because the thing that

713
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: Pat Tilman sacrificed was our ability to know him. He

714
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: sacrificed that, and we and we don't honor that sacrifice

715
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: when we put our personal political beliefs into into using

716
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: the power of his name to further our cause. And

717
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: that it just it's it's And I don't know if

718
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: I would feel the same way if I was further

719
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: away from the situation, maybe I would just think of

720
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: it as this sort of annoying thing that happens online

721
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: every once in a while. But being closer to the

722
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: situation and watching his teammates kind of languish every single

723
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: time it uh, it happens, you know it, and and

724
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: then it all really just depends on your perspective. You

725
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: remember that story, the Gift of the Magi, Yeah, where

726
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: It's like Jim and Dela. Dela has like two dollars

727
00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: and uh, she wants to search for the perfect Christmas

728
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: present for Jim. Uh, And so she sells her hair,

729
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: which is like that that was like what made her beautiful.

730
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: She sells her hair to a nearby hairdresser. Uh, and

731
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: then she uses that money to buy Jim a pocket

732
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: watch chain. Meanwhile, Jim sells his pocket watch in order

733
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: to get money, and I think he buys her like

734
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: a comb for her hair, right. And the beauty of

735
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: the story of the Gift of the Magi is supposed

736
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: to be the sacrifices that people make of the things

737
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: that are precious to them for the people that they love.

738
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: And I think that way too many people when it

739
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: comes to Pat Tilman, focus on the outcome, because the

740
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: real one of one of the cynical outcomes of the

741
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: Gift of the Magi is they both got useless Christmas presents, right,

742
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Like what a huge inconvenience, What a couple of dopes.

743
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: And and when I see, like Kevin black is own

744
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: say that Pat Tilman left the NFL to go extinguish lives,

745
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: It's just like, man, is that really like have we

746
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: become so cynical that you can say that type of

747
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: thing out loud and not have something deep down inside

748
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: of you say, hey, Kevin, shut the hell up like it.

749
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: It was about the intent at the time, and there's

750
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: a reason it was inspirational at the time. There's a

751
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: reason it's tragic now. But at the same time, you

752
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: have to put things within context. You have to understand that, like,

753
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: this guy wasn't a perfect man, but that's that's again,

754
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: that's part of the appeal. He understood his shortcomings, he

755
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: felt like he wasn't doing enough, and he decided to

756
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: go above and beyond. It's up to everybody else how

757
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: they take that. But the one thing we can't have,

758
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: because he made that sacrifice and and and because he's

759
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: not here anymore, is his opinion. We just don't have it.

760
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: So please don't offer it. Please, if you're out there

761
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 1: and you're listening to this, pat is not your pawn

762
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: with which to make cheap points of your political garbage issues.

763
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: Boom you who are a hundred, That is the best

764
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: way to say it, ralph Um. Now we have all packed.

765
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: Twelve schools are going to be open. As of Wednesday,

766
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: USC was the last one to UH start workouts. We've

767
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: seen other schools start workouts stop workouts because they've had

768
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of positive COVID tests and it is I

769
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: think a couple of episodes ago, you said you are

770
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: optimistic about football starting back and what did What did

771
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: I say, Ralph? What did I say? Uh? No? I

772
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: was like, dude, I am skeptical. I'm living day by

773
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: day because I do not believe that everything's okay. I

774
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: don't believe that UM that we are anywhere in the clear.

775
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 1: We've seen an increase in multiple states. We have seen

776
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: an increase in UM. And Arizona is up. I mean,

777
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: what like two cases or something crazy. We've seen uh,

778
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: Texas is up, of Florida's up. All these states that

779
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: said we're open and bring your sports down here. All

780
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: of that UM and we know that death lag way behind.

781
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: So we don't even know what the hell is going

782
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: to happen. But here's the thing that's interesting to me, Ralph,

783
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: is that throughout all divisions of college football, there are

784
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: seventy three thousand players and m give or take the year,

785
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: it's off by a couple of hundred, but you have

786
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: seventy three thousand, thirteen thousand of them, around thirteen thousand

787
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: of them are Division one, are are FBS, And in

788
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: all of college sports you have UM four I believe

789
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty five around four twenty five thousand

790
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: college athletes. And then in Business Insider today they put

791
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: out an article talking about the mortality rate from like

792
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: nineteen to twenty nine year olds, and that's about one

793
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: point four So if you look at one point four

794
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: percent of seven of four hundred and twenty five a

795
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: four hundred and twenty five thousand student athletes, you're looking

796
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: at almost six was in potential death if if they

797
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: all got it, and that mortal mortality rate help sick.

798
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: That's not an acceptable number, Ralph. It's just not And

799
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: if you just know, we know that that mortality rate

800
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: doesn't is not going to apply to collegiate athletes like

801
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: we we know that from the numbers that we've got

802
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: so far, it's not them at risk, it's the freaking coaches. Yeah, well,

803
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: well that's what that's what the mortality rate right now

804
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: is of people nineteen to twenty nine that it's about

805
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: one percent of a little more than one percent of

806
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: them who have contracted the virus have died. So I mean,

807
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: even even if it's a quarter of that, you're still

808
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: looking at at at six thousand divided by by four,

809
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: you're looking at people even if it's a tenth of

810
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: it like this, These aren't acceptable numbers. I I just don't.

811
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: I mean, even if you are one percent of that

812
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: one percent, So what are you gonna look at? What

813
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: are you gonna What are you gonna say when people

814
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: listen to this and they tell you that you're fear

815
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: mongering and they tell you that you uh, that you're

816
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: uh that you don't want football back, like, because there's

817
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: this thought process out there amongst some freedom minded folks

818
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: will call them that, uh, there is some there's this

819
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: mindset that they believe that the media just doesn't want

820
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: to have. How many? How many different ways do I

821
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: have to say it? Do I love college football more? Like?

822
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: The only thing I love college football more than less

823
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: than college football is my family. That is the only

824
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 1: thing I love less than college football. I mean, sorry

825
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 1: more Oh, I hope Denisia is not listening. The only

826
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: thing I love more than college football is my family.

827
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: That's it, dude. My my wife knows if you want

828
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: to ask me to do something, ask me to do

829
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: it on Sunday. Don't ask me to do it on Saturday.

830
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: Like it is just like I love college football with

831
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: all my heart, and my damn team is gonna be

832
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: super good this year. Why would I not want college football?

833
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: But I I I live in the reality business, Ralph.

834
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: I just can't. Just like, I just can't make sense

835
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: of I guess people will call me fearmongering or whatever.

836
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense. Even if it's one percent

837
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: of one percent, you still look like, how is sixty

838
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: college kids who aren't being paid dying? Okay? I mean like,

839
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: I can't picture a world where because I know that

840
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: even though the chances are very remote, we live in

841
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: a world where sometimes the worst case scenario happens. So

842
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: if one percent of the one percent, I just can't.

843
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: I just can't fathom a world where it is okay,

844
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: even if it's one depth, Like for a kid who

845
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: is not being paid, that just seems completely unacceptable to me.

846
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: But maybe I'm in the minority, Ralph. Maybe everybody else

847
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: is willing to sacrifice other people other than their own children,

848
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: or they say, well, the chances are so remote, I

849
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: would send my kid out there. I know that there's

850
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: that crowd too, But if it were me, I would

851
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: be absolutely me and my wife would be sitting here

852
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: having a real discussion with my kid about this, whether

853
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: this would be happening or not. Yeah, I I don't know, man,

854
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: I don't. I would have to go back and take

855
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: a look at the the statistics from from everything that

856
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: I've seen that that nineteen to twenty six, that's that's

857
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: definitely not been um at the higher end. But maybe

858
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: you're right about that, and that I mean, if if

859
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 1: that is true, then that I think adds another element

860
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: to this. Yeah. I had a lot of conversations today

861
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: just because I'm wondering if there's gonna be a high

862
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: school football season down here in Arizona or not. Some

863
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: of the bigger schools just moved their camps back a

864
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: couple of weeks because of the huge spike that's out

865
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: here in Arizona. And you know, I got together with

866
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: my staff and I think that we were we were

867
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: maybe seventy thirty that there was gonna be a season

868
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and I think all of us now

869
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: are probably closer to that fifty fifty range. And I

870
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: think it ultimately falls on us if we lose football,

871
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: it's our fault. We could have beat this thing. We

872
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: could have lived in a sacrificial manner. We could have

873
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: lived for our neighbor. We could have taken this seriously,

874
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: and we just didn't. And it was a will issue,

875
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: it was a leadership issue, and people like you and

876
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: me have been, you know, shouting about it forever. You know,

877
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: you and I who want nothing more than to be

878
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: out of our house in the early summer, late springtime,

879
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: we have not been leaving our house, you know. And

880
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 1: And I'm I don't I don't know what to say,

881
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm it's at the point right now where

882
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: I unpacking my car. I'm getting out of Arizona. You know,

883
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 1: I'm a head up to I'm a head up to uh,

884
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: some wide open space and Wyoming and Montana. I'm a

885
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: chill out till things cool down a little bit more.

886
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: Um and uh. And I don't know, man, I just

887
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: I think that when this became political, and when we

888
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: let our our independence and our need for instant gratification

889
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 1: in the form of just basic comfort of not having

890
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: a mask on or or um not being distant from uh,

891
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: from our friends or whatever it else it was, you know,

892
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: when we decided not to make some of the sacrifices

893
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: that were being requested of us by the government. And

894
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: again they were requests, they were not mandates. Um. They

895
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: it's becoming a mandate in some areas now that things

896
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: are out of control. But for the most part, they

897
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: just asked people to comply, and people said, no, I'm

898
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: not gonna do it, it's not worth my time, and um,

899
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: you know. And and unfortunately the there you know, there's

900
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: people out there who was saying that that that you know,

901
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: the people who did comply were sheep and we're acting

902
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: out of fear. And whereas I do believe some people

903
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: are very petrified by the fear and anxiety that they're

904
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: feeling about this experience. And and I whereas I think

905
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: we're all a little bit surprised at maybe how thin

906
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: the veneer of society was, how quick we were to

907
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: panic about something like this, I think that for the

908
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: most part, a lot of people are just trying to

909
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: be sensible. And there's you know, a large portion of

910
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: a different population out there that things that this doesn't

911
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: apply to them. And recently, if you look at the

912
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: numbers that's been the four age range of people just

913
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: want to live their life and realizing that this mainly

914
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: affects older people, so they're willing to risk it. And UM,

915
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: I would absolutely hate. I just had somebody on my

916
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: staff have to bury their father in law after he

917
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: died alone, and so I don't have a lot of

918
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: patients for the bullshit. UM. I'm trying to be as

919
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: diplomatic and as loving when I have these conversations as possible,

920
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: But my kids youth pastor also had to bury his

921
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: grandfather after he died alone. And I got a I

922
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: got another staff writer for my website who is hoping

923
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: that his mother pulls through. Um, and I just I

924
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 1: don't have time to argue with people because a face

925
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: mask makes their nose tickle in the grocery store like

926
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: m G f Y if you know, is my response

927
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: to that. At this point, I got a message from

928
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: our high school football coach and he basically said that,

929
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: like you have a high school coach imploring parents to

930
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: implore their kids to make good decisions about going out,

931
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: going to parties, all of this stuff, because there's a

932
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: lot of people who have a lot writing on this

933
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: season in terms of I mean like, this is a

934
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: school that or recruit a Pack twelve recruit DJ Harvey

935
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: that he goes to, and some other kids as as well.

936
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: I think their quarterbacks committed to I forgot where where

937
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: where he's committed to. But but these kids have a

938
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: lot writing on this season, so they're like, um, we

939
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: need to play, and the coaching's out of message basically

940
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: imploring people like look, I'm not getting political about this.

941
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm just saying we're in a real situation where we

942
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: could not have a season, so we need you to

943
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: do the right things. And truthfully, all like I do

944
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 1: believe that with this message is gonna be conveyed to

945
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: kids and most of them are going to do the

946
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: right thing. But you are going to have some people

947
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 1: that can ruin it for for other people. And that's

948
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 1: why I still am not hopeful for football, even though

949
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: you have Big ten schools expecting you know, half their

950
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: crowds in the stands because of social distancing. I don't know, man,

951
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't know at this point, but I do think

952
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see how rosters shape

953
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: up each week, Ralph, when you have because each week

954
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: you could have one of your best players. I mean, like,

955
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 1: imagine if Jayden Daniels gets coronavirus, even if it's asymptomatic

956
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: for Arizona State and he's got a state quarantine for

957
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: two weeks, get negative tests and all of that, how

958
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: is that going to affect Arizona State season or USC

959
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: Keaton Slovians. You know, like your quarterback gets it? Well,

960
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: what the hell are you supposed to do? Right? And

961
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: do we have people out there who are crazy enough

962
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: to uh pull uh utah late night pizza hotel Michael

963
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: Jordan's situation? You know, do do we have people who

964
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: are going to try to like rub their fingers in

965
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniel's mouth guard when he's not looking, in order

966
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: to sabotage the season? Like we're in a very weird time, um,

967
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: and I just you know, would somebody be that crazy?

968
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: What do you know, the the guy who killed the

969
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: trees um in the in the Alabama? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Like,

970
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: do we have people who are that invested in, you know,

971
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: collegiate athletics where they would try to use coronavirus as

972
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: some sort of competitive advantager weapon. You know, it's you

973
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: know what's gonna mess with all the gambling lines that

974
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: we're not we're not gonna find out who tests the

975
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: positive until right before kickoff because of hippo laws. And

976
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, like what if it's what

977
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: if it's your star running back? And and uh and

978
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: that line was a minus three and probably should have

979
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: been a plus four. You know what sort of craziness

980
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: is going to happen there. So you're gonna have people

981
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: looking for medical information and violating some of these kids

982
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: privacies and friending their parents on Facebook. Um, it's gonna

983
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a really really weird time. Um.

984
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: Would you think that it would be better for a

985
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: lot of these because we saw, you know, Clemson had

986
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: a big outbreak Kansas State Texas. Um, do you think

987
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: it would be better for it to kind of cycle

988
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: through some of these teams right now, let them get treatment,

989
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 1: let them build up antibodies. Then it would for a

990
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: massive outbreak to happen in the season, because if you

991
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: have a build Clemson style outbreak in the middle of

992
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: the season and you have to forfeit a game, what's

993
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: that gonna do. Well. Part of the problem I think

994
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: is that you is that because of hippo lass. You

995
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: have some schools that are having positive tests that aren't

996
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: releasing information, they're not even saying And truthfully, Paul Finbaum

997
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: said it the other day on the show. He said,

998
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: do we trust college coaches to report asymptomatic tests of

999
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: their best players? And I was like, I don't at

1000
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: not not some college coaches, but college coaches as a whole,

1001
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: people who have millions of dollars, livelihoods and all of

1002
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: that stuff writing on it. They don't even handle injuries

1003
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: correctly all the time, like people with actual injuries concussions

1004
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: or they don't handle that perfectly all the time. So

1005
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: now imagine that an asymptomatic test that is like, I

1006
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 1: just don't trust them to handle it well. So because

1007
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: there's millions of dollars on the line for them, their

1008
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: friends who are there, instant coaches, wins and losses, national championships,

1009
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: conference championships, and mind you, the kids aren't gonna always

1010
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: be honest because they want to play. You have to

1011
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 1: protect football players from themselves a lot of times. I yeah,

1012
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: we all know if people about concussions, I mean, we

1013
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: we all know plenty of people who have lied about concussions,

1014
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: So you're gonna have to have something in place to

1015
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: to keep asymptomatic person off the field when all they're

1016
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: doing is running a temperature. You gotta have these things

1017
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of times. And I think that that's

1018
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that we don't know about Corona, is

1019
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: that there because everybody focuses on the deaths, but there

1020
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: are people who have lung damage or long term health

1021
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: effects that we don't even know yet from just having it.

1022
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: So that's the biggest issue, and that that leads to, uh,

1023
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: the last thing, which is Ohio State, which I think

1024
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a lot of this coming in other

1025
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: conferences and stuff as well. They created the Buckeye Acknowledgement

1026
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: and Pledge, which essentially says that we have informed you

1027
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: about COVID, all the risks and all this stuff. And

1028
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, like, so, we have an article

1029
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: up on a free show dot com. I'll put it

1030
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: in the show notes about whether this could be construed

1031
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: as a liability waiver on the back end. And I

1032
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: hate this because it reminds me of when I first

1033
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: got to college at Oregon and to play you had

1034
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: to sign a Waiver, saying that the n c double

1035
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: A owned your name, image and likeness in perpetuity. Otherwise

1036
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: you couldn't play. Like there was no opt out, there's

1037
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: no union, there's nobody to fight for your rights. It's

1038
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: either sign it or don't play. Sign it or don't

1039
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: go to college. Like the these are the these are

1040
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: the the way that the players are coose course to

1041
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: do these things. So I don't like it. I think

1042
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: that it is to have seventeen and twenty two or

1043
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: twenty three year olds sign this thing is to work

1044
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: out is a manipulation because they don't have any other option.

1045
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: You have to sign it or you can't play, which

1046
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: means you can't get your scholarship, you can't uh graduate

1047
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: or potentially go to the NFL. Like it's limiting your

1048
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: options so severely. And but this is what teams are

1049
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: trying to do to limit their liability. And I hate it, Ralph,

1050
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: because these are college kids and not pros it. We're

1051
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: in an interesting time of some of these college kids

1052
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: that are really exercising their uh there um, their ability

1053
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: to have some power. Well, the it's Chuba Hubbard or

1054
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: our our guy Mike Norvell having to reconcile with Marvin

1055
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: Wilson out at Florida State. Um. Or, I think we

1056
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 1: just had a Mississippi State players say that he's going

1057
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: to transfer if they don't take down the state flag.

1058
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: So if the players really got together and they didn't

1059
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: like this, then you know they could do something. Um

1060
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, that's that's really all that we

1061
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,600
Speaker 1: can kind of hope for right now, is is that

1062
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: if the players, you know, feel like they want to

1063
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 1: take this on, that they they take a stand, because

1064
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm sure the university would get rid of it right away.

1065
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: But um, you know, there's nothing that I can do

1066
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: as a co host of this podcast to convince anybody

1067
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: not to sign anything. You know, if it means to

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Speaker 1: them that they have that that it's been that between

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Speaker 1: signing and not signing, whether or not they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: able to play football, they're gonna sign. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: that really what it comes down to. Yeah, and they're

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Speaker 1: gonna gonna do it. And I don't love it, but

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Speaker 1: this is the world that we live in at this

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Speaker 1: point in time. UM. The last thing up though, that

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Speaker 1: we got is Okay, so this is a basketball and

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Speaker 1: back twelve basketball Um. Discussion Sean Miller, who we have well,

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Speaker 1: who I believe should be on the hot seat. He's

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Speaker 1: recruited well at Arizona, but the results have not been

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Speaker 1: nearly as up to par as you would expect. There's

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Speaker 1: been a scandal. They may end up on probation. Who knows,

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01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: like this could go left, and I feel like he's

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Speaker 1: done an awful job with the talent that he has recruited.

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Speaker 1: And you had Jason Terry, former NFL, NFL, NBA player,

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Speaker 1: Jason the Yet Terry played with the you know, he's

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Speaker 1: played with all sorts of NBA teams, phenomenal three point shooter.

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Speaker 1: All it is Arizona legend. And he came out was

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Speaker 1: the and was like, they need to clean house, they

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Speaker 1: need to get rid of Sean Miller all of this.

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Speaker 1: And now they have repaired the situation and he's working

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Speaker 1: at Arizona. Ralph, could you do this if you were

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Speaker 1: Sean Miller, could you make up with Jason Terry and

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Speaker 1: hire him on your staff. Uh, here's my theory. You're

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Speaker 1: ready for my theory. Okay, basketball coaches, while a lot

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01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: of them do hold grudges. Uh, basketball coaches are more

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01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: apt than maybe any other profession two be able to

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01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: forgive and or understand when somebody's just letting off steam.

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Speaker 1: Because how many basketball coaches have you been around, George

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Speaker 1: where they've been able to hold their tongue when they

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01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: think of foul is not a foul? None of them.

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Speaker 1: They say something in the moment, right they they How

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: many times do you see a coach have otherwise good

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Speaker 1: relationship with a player but that player misses a switch

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01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: on defense and then they get just reamed on the

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01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: bench like full on shouting match. Uh. That happens all

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Speaker 1: the time. It happens almost every game. And so for

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Speaker 1: for Jason Terry to fire off a tweet that basically

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Speaker 1: says that you have a needs to clean house um,

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: and then for him to call Sean Miller um and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was just being emotional. I think that

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Speaker 1: Sean Miller, as much as anybody, should be able to

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Speaker 1: appreciate that you can say things that you don't necessarily,

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Speaker 1: um believe with your what what do you say? Say

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Speaker 1: it with your chest? You might say something with your chest,

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01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: but you might not realize where you're standing in the

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01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: moment that you do that, right, You might not know

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01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: who's standing behind you when you say when you stay

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Speaker 1: with your chest and so you know, he might have

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Speaker 1: been um serious when he said that you have any

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Speaker 1: to clean house, but he might have been equally as

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Speaker 1: serious when he called Sean Miller and told him, Hey,

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Speaker 1: that was just an emotional tweet. And so here we

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Speaker 1: are two years later. Sean Miller has offered him a job.

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Speaker 1: And this is gonna be a weird connection that I'm

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Speaker 1: making here, Um, but I believe Sean Miller has forgiven

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Speaker 1: Jason Terry, as evidenced by the fact that he gave

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Speaker 1: Jason Terry a job. Therefore, I believe that Bobby Hurley

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Speaker 1: has buried the hatchet with Arizona State Athletic director Ray Anderson,

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Speaker 1: as evidenced by the fact that he just hired back

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Speaker 1: assistant coach Anthony Coleman. And I doubt he would be

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Speaker 1: stalking up his staff if he planned on leaving because

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: he hated Ray Anderson for you know, him not thinking

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01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: Ray Anderson stood up for his wife who was sexually

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Speaker 1: harassed by a booster. I think that basketball coaches are emotional.

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Speaker 1: I think the basketball players are emotional, and I think

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Speaker 1: that they understand each other that that when you live

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Speaker 1: the life of a basketball coach. You say and do

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Speaker 1: things in the heat of the moment. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that's how you're gonna feel thirty minutes, three weeks, three

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Speaker 1: months later. That makes sense. That makes sense. I do

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Speaker 1: believe to the basketball coaches do hold a different type

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: of grudge and football coaches to each other like basketball

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Speaker 1: coaches for some reason, like a head coach in one

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Speaker 1: program and a head coach of another, like what is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it Sean Miller and U c l A's head

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Speaker 1: coach have like a long standing grudge or whatever. I think.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big part. I think that the

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Speaker 1: grudges that they have against each other, like when you're

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Speaker 1: in a similar position of power. Um, But then those

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Speaker 1: aren't necessarily things where those guys pop off, right, Those

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Speaker 1: are the long simmering, cold war type grudges. I think

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Speaker 1: you might they might respect it a little bit more

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Speaker 1: when you say what it is you have to say,

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Speaker 1: and you don't hide behind it, and then you apologize

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Speaker 1: for it if you felt it was unwarranted. That makes sense. Yeah,

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01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: so I I can understand the program is bigger than

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01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: just one person. It's bigger than the coach is bigger

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01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: than one booster, one former player, all of that stuff,

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Speaker 1: And if you're really on board, I'm trying to make

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Speaker 1: Arizona great again, And then then you do have to

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Speaker 1: be willing to bury these hatchets because some of what

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Speaker 1: Jason Terry said was legit, and Sean Miller has some

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01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: points too, and at the end of the day, they

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Speaker 1: both ideally want the same thing for Arizona to be

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Speaker 1: a national championship contender year in a year out, and

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Speaker 1: if they can get on the same page with that,

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Speaker 1: then I think that that's smart to bury the hatchet.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there's gonna be a postseason for

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Speaker 1: University of Arizona this year? I think so because the

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01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:52,760
Speaker 1: n C Double A has got so much stuff on

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Speaker 1: his hands right now that it can't even be worried

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01:11:55,520 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: about both season bands and all of the logistics of

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Speaker 1: enforcement and all that. I think that they have much

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Speaker 1: bigger fish to fry with the whole coronavirus and and

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01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: schools and all of that that they're just saying, Listen,

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Speaker 1: we don't have time for all this month, or we won't. Huh.

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Speaker 1: Lamont Evans took twenty k around twenty k um and

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Speaker 1: book Richardson took around twenty k and they banned Oklahoma State,

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Speaker 1: So I'm very curious to see if that's also going

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Speaker 1: to apply to University of Arizona. Yeah. Yeah, they did

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Speaker 1: hit Arizona, they did hit Oklahoma State, So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: probably coming, probably coming down the pipeline on some on

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Speaker 1: on some off days from some people who aren't worried

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Speaker 1: about COVID. But we thank you guys for listening to

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Speaker 1: the pack twelve apostles. We appreciate your time, appreciate your energy,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. He's Ralph Ams. Then I'm George

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Speaker 1: rice To and of course leave a five star rating

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Speaker 1: or do not leave a four star rating because Ralph

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Speaker 1: is competitive. All right, thanks guys, Catch you guys. Next

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Speaker 1: episode