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Speaker 1: those many, many missing children in the hopes that this

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Speaker 2: Authorities in Rockerville began a search for a nine year

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Speaker 2: old girl. Serenity Dinard, was last spotted leaving the Children's

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Speaker 1: What happened to Serenity? This beautiful nine year old little

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Speaker 1: What are the facts surrounding her disappearance? Who is she

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Speaker 1: PhD dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold, renownedd psychiatrist, joining us

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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold MD dot com. Former police chief John's creed

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Speaker 1: at child Help dot Org. Very dear to my Heart.

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott morgun But first to Ray Capudo. Ray,

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Speaker 1: let's start with you. How does this little girl just

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Speaker 3: Nancy. She was at the Black Hills Children Home in

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Speaker 3: And you know Mount Rushmore is in the area, rapid

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Absolutely, the terrain there is rough, but the

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Speaker 3: the weather was about thirty six degrees outside. But the

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to examine what Ray Copudo has

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Speaker 1: very special guest from childhelp dot Org who has child

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Speaker 1: help has been our partner for so many years since

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Speaker 1: we first launched crime Stories and crime online dot com.

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Speaker 1: is joining me, daphnely Young from childhelp dot Org. Not

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Speaker 1: Ray Computo said, but it was also all wrong in

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Speaker 1: a larger since. So a little girl aged nine has

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, Serenity, first of all, is a really tough

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Speaker 1: You know what, Daphne Young joining me from child help

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Speaker 1: We are talking about a beautiful little girl named Serenity.

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Speaker 2: It was ten forty five am on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 1: Ten forty five? Little Serenity was in the gym with

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Speaker 3: Well what neither one one of the staffers was chasing

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Speaker 3: Now you do, Nancy, eighty minutes went by from the

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Speaker 1: WENDYPATRICKPHD dot com. Wendy, there's so much wrong with what's

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Speaker 7: of the facts in this timeline, Nancy, that is so

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Speaker 2: Serenity Dinard ran away in the middle of winter without

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Speaker 1: The CHIP line regarding Serenity Denard zero five three ninety

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Speaker 9: My name is Melissa Gousse. If you're gonna watch the video,

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Speaker 10: Breathe. She's been missing since six thirty AM. The last

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Speaker 1: Ray Computo, Ray, what happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, this young girl, she was she's living in California,

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Speaker 3: So I'm completely out of the ordinary.

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Speaker 1: So let me understand. It's rich computero. She starts at

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics. Sound to me like something flipped,

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Speaker 1: Someone flipped her something in her durn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that that is certainly a possibility you would need

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Speaker 4: to be locked down, Nancy. Statements need to be taken

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Speaker 4: from these are any kind of bad actors in this environment.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's got a history of doing things like this, you know,

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of Melita Gita.

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Speaker 9: It's going on ten hours that she's the missing.

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Speaker 10: And I want to put this on blast because I

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Speaker 10: You can't do an amburner because she didn't leave in

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Speaker 9: About one hundred and fifteen pounds. She has blue eyes

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Speaker 1: I love you all. Everybody please watch share.

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Speaker 1: Now before we give nefarious intentions on the stepmother, if

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Speaker 5: Are, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: She was missing from She was missing right out of

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Speaker 6: And that's really where a lot of this tragedy started

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Speaker 5: This is a complex case because you have this young

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Speaker 5: So there's a lot going on here above and beyond

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Speaker 1: Now, there were reports that Carl Gez was recognized at

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Speaker 2: FBI investigators say Carl Grouse left home in the early

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Speaker 2: This is the same area where tracking dogs lost carly scent.

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Speaker 1: The tip line in the search for Carly You say

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Speaker 1: is nine one six seven four six seven thousand Repeat

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Speaker 1: nine six seven four six seven thousand. Time Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Will this be the year that another little

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Speaker 1: girl finds her way home? Little two year old Mara

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Speaker 1: Lewis listen.

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Speaker 2: Family members say they think someone kidnapped the baby. The

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Speaker 2: toddler disappeared in the morning. Her mother says she left

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Speaker 2: Myra with her older sisters, but when she returned, the

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Speaker 2: two year old was gone. The parents begged for whoever

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Speaker 2: took the little girl to release her, to take her

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Speaker 2: to a police department or anywhere that could get her home.

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Speaker 2: Father Gregory Lewis, said he noticed Myra missing around noon.

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Speaker 2: He says his other children told him Myra was with

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Speaker 2: their mother. They only realized Myra was missing when his

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Speaker 2: wife came home around three pm. The family members then

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Speaker 2: began a frantic search around the house. At four pm,

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Speaker 2: they dialed nine to one one.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to Rakiputa. What happened?

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Speaker 3: Well, little Myra, she's two years old. She's playing on

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Speaker 3: in front of her house like a lot of kids do.

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Speaker 3: And it seems like there was this communication between the parents. Nancy.

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Speaker 3: We hear about this when we hear these tragic hot

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Speaker 3: card dusts where parents to space. But it seemed like

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Speaker 3: in this case, maybe it was a little less irresponsible.

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Speaker 3: Mom thought that the little girl was with dad in

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Speaker 3: the house. Dad thought that the little girl was with mom,

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Speaker 3: and before they know what, hours has passed and this

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Speaker 3: precious little two year old girl is missing.

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Speaker 1: I don't quite understand the confusion about what happened. The

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Speaker 1: FBI offering a twenty thousand dollars reward in the search

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Speaker 1: for a two year old girl who seemingly vanishes into

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Speaker 1: thin air. She goes missing near the family Mississippi home.

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Speaker 1: Joining me and all our panel to break it down

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Speaker 1: and put it back together again. First of all, to you,

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Speaker 1: definitely young VP communications Prevention Education at Childhelp dot Org.

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Speaker 5: Way In, Well, this is a tough one because we

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Speaker 5: have a family struggling. We know some of the details

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Speaker 5: of the case condemned housing, and so when I hear

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Speaker 5: about a family like this that's teetering on the edge

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Speaker 5: and it definitely has some economic issues and concern, I'm

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Speaker 5: so worried about the judgment that goes out to parents

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Speaker 5: like this who are just struggling to make it happen.

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Speaker 5: And when you're under undue stress, these little mistakes can happen. Right,

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Speaker 5: I think you're with mom. No, I thought you were

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Speaker 5: in the house with dad. And then those moments in between,

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Speaker 5: when you're being judged, when you're being questioned, are so difficult,

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Speaker 5: And it breaks my heart to think that this could

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Speaker 5: have been a tragic accident that spanned hours, and what

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Speaker 5: happened during those hours? Where was there a predator? A

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Speaker 5: vulnerable family is often in a vulnerable community, and where

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Speaker 5: do predators go looking for prey in desperate situations?

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Speaker 1: And I'm trying to analyze what we know about this

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Speaker 1: little girl. Mara Leo is just two years old and disappearance.

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Speaker 1: I know that she goes according to reports, missing from

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Speaker 1: outside the family home there in Camden, where she was

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Speaker 1: sitting outside playing with her sister outdoors. How many times

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Speaker 1: have children gone missing from outside? I'll never forget the

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Speaker 1: case of Samantha Runyon and became friends of sorts with

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Speaker 1: her mother, Aaron, who went on to be a victim's

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Speaker 1: right advocate for children. Samantha was playing outside in the

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Speaker 1: front yard of her grandmother's home with other children. The

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Speaker 1: grandmother had eyes on Samantha. A car pulls up, a

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Speaker 1: guy gets Samantha and takes off as grandma runs outdoors.

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Speaker 1: It was too light. The man that was killed within

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Speaker 1: a couple of hours. And isn't it true to Windy Patrick,

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Speaker 1: California prosecutor that in the first three hours it is

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Speaker 1: when we often discover a child has been killed.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, you know. That's why every second counts. It's that

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Speaker 7: window of opportunity that everybody has to lead into search

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Speaker 7: and rescue mode. It is unusual to vanish without a trace.

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Speaker 7: People don't disappear into us in air, and a child

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Speaker 7: as young as two years old, that job doesn't strategize

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Speaker 7: the runaway. Do they wander off? It's usually more likely

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Speaker 7: an adult comes in and facilitates whatever it is that happened,

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Speaker 7: it's it's a kidnapping, it's an objection, it's something that

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Speaker 7: somebody usually sees a part of. So that's what makes

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Speaker 7: this instance so unusual.

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Speaker 1: Nancy, guys, take a list.

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Speaker 2: At nearly a dozen members of the MHP Special Ops

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Speaker 2: Team fanned out across the woods in North Madison County.

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Speaker 2: They specialize in search and rescue and tracking. The tracking

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Speaker 2: experts circled around two year old Myra Lewis's home in

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Speaker 2: Camden and combed through miles of the brush on foot

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Speaker 2: in a grid search pattern. The search started after Myra's

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Speaker 2: parents called nine to one one to report her missing.

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Speaker 2: Multiple law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, joined the massive hunt.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's jumping out at me to Foreign Police

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Speaker 1: Chief John's Creek, Chris Buyer's Investigation. Chief Buyers that she

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Speaker 1: goes missing between ten and eleven a m. That's the

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Speaker 1: very rare to go missing in broad daylight in the

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Speaker 1: morning hours. Statistically.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I was just thinking that as well, looking

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Speaker 8: at some statistics here, that is extremely rare, and so

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Speaker 8: I think that just moves to even intensify the.

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Speaker 1: Unknowns in this case. Straight out to you, Jessice Scott Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University and author. What do you

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Speaker 1: do with a thing like this? Where do you we start?

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Speaker 4: Well, I got to tell you, Nancy, the first thing

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Speaker 4: what really strikes me about this case is that she

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Speaker 4: was in fact in the front yard. And there have

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Speaker 4: been cases where where children have been snatched like this,

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Speaker 4: And so what do you look for? Well, the first

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Speaker 4: thing you're going to look for is traveled routes. If

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Speaker 4: there is a home road right in front of the house,

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Speaker 4: who's going up and down that road? You know, nowadays

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Speaker 4: we have more and more homes that have ring cameras

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Speaker 4: and those sorts of things. Did they collect that data?

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Speaker 4: Do we have any eyewitnesses on the scene that may

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Speaker 4: have seen a suspicious vehicle going by? Because let me

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Speaker 4: tell you something, Nancy, if you're talking about a predator

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Speaker 4: that would snatch a child this age, this is something

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Speaker 4: that they would be. They're like hunters. They're going to

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Speaker 4: go out into a particular area and look for a child.

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Speaker 4: They might not be local. And keep in mind, this

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Speaker 4: area of the state is actually split into You've got

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Speaker 4: I twenty down to the south, and in addition to that,

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Speaker 4: You've also got I fifty five over to the west,

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Speaker 4: so you've got two major thoroughfares that are running through there.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they're just kind of trolling through this area looking

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Speaker 4: for young victims to kind of spare it off with.

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Speaker 4: Unless people are thinking that maybe she just wandered away

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Speaker 4: from the house, which for a two year old, they're

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Speaker 4: not going to get too far.

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Speaker 1: You know. I was just thinking that Cana, Mississippi, sounds

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Speaker 1: so much like where I grew up, literally out in

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Speaker 1: mill of nowhere, and who's going to be driving by

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Speaker 1: to grab her, well, some unknown esstilant. Let me just

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Speaker 1: point out what happened to Shasta and Dylan grownie in Courgelane,

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Speaker 1: Idaho and the middle of nowhere. They were near an

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Speaker 1: interstate like Joe Scott's just telling you about I twenty

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Speaker 1: and a guy looks over off the interstate and sees

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Speaker 1: Shasta playing at an above ground pool, did not know

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Speaker 1: the family at all, pulls off the interstate, waits, goes in,

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Speaker 1: kills the whole family, takes Shasta and little brother Dylan,

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Speaker 1: molest them, ultimately kills Dylan and Shasta is is saved.

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Speaker 1: My point is anything could have happened to this little

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Speaker 1: two year old girl. But what can we do about it?

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Speaker 1: What we can do about it is continue to look

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Speaker 1: for this girl, Myra Lewis. The tip line six is

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Speaker 1: zero one eight five nine two three four five. Repeat

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Speaker 1: six is zero one eight five nine two three four five.

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Speaker 1: Please don't forget those children waiting to be brought home.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend