WEBVTT - David Koechner 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.960 Have you ever felt depressed about work only to have 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:03.800 your dad be like, why you're so down? So you 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:05.480 told him you hate your job and he said, well, 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:07.760 you better talk yourself out of it. And then you thought, hmm, 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.080 I love to talk. I could host a podcast. And 0:00:10.119 --> 0:00:12.039 then you went to Speaker from my Heart and started 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:14.200 a podcast and got good at it, then monetized it, 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.320 then quit your boring job and told your dad thanks 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:17.840 for the advice. And he was like, well, that's not 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.159 what I meant and I don't understand what a podcast is, 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.840 but you seem happy, So that's great, kiddo. You ever 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:26.520 do that? Well, you could at speaker dot com. 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Will draw inspiration 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:44.039 from some amazing people like Olympic star Alison Felix and 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:48.440 Grammy Award winner Brandy Carlisle. And we'll get into the 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:52.360 hard stuff with writer Cheryl Strait and my dear friend 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.000 and colleague, Juma Aberdeen. So join us. Listen to You 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.720 and Me both on the I Heart Radio app, Apple 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:15.760 podcast or where where you get your podcast. Hi, gang, 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.920 my name is David Kecker. I'm Todd Packer from the 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:30.600 office The pac Man what's up, my nerds? He Hello again, everybody. 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.720 Welcome to another episode of the Office Deep Dive. Buckle up. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.840 It's gonna be a bumpy ride today, that's all I'll 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.760 tell you. I am, as always your host, Brian baum Gartner, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.480 and I've got some exciting news. As you know, I 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:51.240 am soon going to be transitioning into my new podcast, 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.320 Off the Beat, which is going to take what we 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.440 do here at the Office Deep Dive and expand it 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.240 to more of your favorite guests and shows. So we 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.520 will still be talking to folks associated with the Office, 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:08.280 but so much more. And so today you're gonna get 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.080 a little sneak peek of what you can expect in 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.919 Off the Beat as we bring in a very special guest, 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:19.600 one of my good friends and one of the funniest 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:24.040 guys that I know, David Keckner. Now you may know 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:28.520 him as Todd Packer from the Office, the pac Man himself. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.840 But today we're gonna go deep, that's what she said. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.600 We're gonna go into his full career, starting with his 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:39.120 early days at Second City and Improv Olympic to s 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.600 n L where he got his start alongside Will Ferrell, 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.400 his move out to l A, which led to his 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:50.600 big break as champ Kind on Anchorman, and well the 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:55.760 longstanding friendship he's had with both Steve Carrell and Nancy 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.680 Walls Correll, which is how he landed his guest starring 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.640 role on the Office as the man we all understandably 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.760 love to hate. So let's dive in right now. The 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.800 man who brought everyone in the world of the Office 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:18.280 down is here today to lift us up. David Keckner. Everybody, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:25.120 Bubble and Squeak. I love it, Bubble and squeak on 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.760 Bubble and Squeaker cooking at every month, left over from 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:48.359 the nubb before. Hey, well what do I see but 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:53.479 double b he's looking at me? How are you, buddy? 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.320 Always I'm great. Always with the hat I need I 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.479 need lessons from you in hat wear. Well, you know, 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.960 it's just it's the sun for me unfair. So I 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.520 for me, it's it's more like, um, it's not necessarily fashioned. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.800 It's a necessity of like I gotta keep the sun off. No, 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.159 but I do that. But I just wear baseball hats, 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.080 and I go into hat stores to try to find 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.760 something just a little bit more fashionable. I can't. I 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.800 don't know it's my head shape or something. See how 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:29.640 I have a small head too. So um, but it's 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.440 really Brian, I gotta say, I've always thought this. It's 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.800 all a decision about I can wear that. Really, I 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.480 just need to have confidence. That's that's what I think. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.040 You just go yep, I can wear that, and then 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.480 you do because I can work for For us, it's 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:51.320 the larger forehead, the superior forehead that we have. But 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.800 it's for me it's the ears I gotta watch out for, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.960 you know, because the ball cap doesn't do those. So, Babe, 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:02.719 do you sunscreen? I do, sure, Okay, yeah, I don't 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.760 religiously sunscreen, So I got it. That's this is the 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.880 lazy sunscreen for me. Lazy sunscreen, but fashionable, way more 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.640 fashionable as well. Well, thank you for saying so. And 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:18.560 you're right, Yeah, I am right. I'm right, Dave. You 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.360 are one of the funniest people I've ever met. Um 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:27.440 that that almost goes with without let's stop there. That 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:33.599 was the episode, and I am now fully stated I 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.320 want to go back with you because there's a lot 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:40.080 about your life that I don't know. I know obviously. Well, 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.360 we'll talk about the chiefs later. On in Kansas City. 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.080 But you were born in Tipton, Missouri, and I assume 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.920 your family was in in farming, right, your dad manufactured 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.799 chicken turkey coops, turkey coops. I always start with saying 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.880 he manufactured livestock trailers, so then people get at least 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:00.640 a vision of it's on a trailer. Then I add 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.960 coops to it so they know it's on a trailer. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.440 Because every time I say it, people go oh fors, 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.080 like something in your backyard, Like, well, um, that's condescending, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.000 And you're also ignorant and not interested because it seems 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:14.720 to me like when they go, oh for your backyard, 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.240 I've never seen a turkey coop in someone's backyard. I've 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.160 seen chicken coops. But to me, like, oh like your backyard, Like, oh, 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:23.680 so you don't want to hear the rest of the story. 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.600 That's what I take away from it. Um, so, no, 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.200 they were. There were forty foot trailers and uh large 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:34.480 racks that are built for transferring turkeys from the farm 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:39.119 to the processing plant, so from their home to uh 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:46.960 their death, yes, their uh to our mouths. So my 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:48.880 dad was a manufacturer. He built a lot of different 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:53.240 other farm inpluments like hey, bail forks uh pharaohing crates, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.080 which is another thing that's too long to get into, 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.400 gas barrel stands, picnic table frames. But the biggest part 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.400 of the business was turkey coops. And yeah, so from 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.720 Tipton it's right dead center of Missouri and from north 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.760 southeast west it's like right in the middle on Highway 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:11.440 fifty between Jefferson City, the state capital, and Saidelia, which 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.600 is where the Missouri State Fair was held every year. 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.240 That is a very special place in my heart. And 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.640 so yeah, that's where I grew up. Town to two 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:23.760 thousand people. Wow, And now, when did you start thinking 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.080 about being a performer? And I'm gonna get I'm gonna 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.000 use the word performer generally now because I want to 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.000 talk about that a little bit later, about what you 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.320 consider yourself. But when did you start thinking, oh, this 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.480 may be something that I want to do. Well. I've 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.520 said this before. I'm one of six kids, and so 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.040 when I was ten, I have a distinct memory of 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.360 walking around the west side of my house by myself, 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.920 being very contemplative and thinking, I gotta get out of here. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.160 I have to I have to live in a city 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.360 I I don't know where I'm gonna go. I'm gonna 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:56.640 miss my family and friends, but I know I've got 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.760 to go. And then when I was thirteen was the 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.560 year for Saturday at Live, and I knew my parents 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:05.199 wouldn't let me watch it because they wouldn't let me 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.720 watch like laugh In or a lot of shows, you know, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.599 like A Room twenty two or stuff like that was 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.760 too racy. But they leased to go out dancing every 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.960 weekend to the local Farmers and Sportsmen's Club, and I 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:20.120 had a babysit my three younger siblings, and I knew 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:21.880 they weren't to be there, so I didn't say anything. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.120 I didn't ask permission because I knew they would have 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.360 said no, So I didn't say anything, so I didn't 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.920 have to lie. I just wouldn't mention because I don't 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.040 know if you remember, you're a little bit younger than me, 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.200 but they would do. They were doing some live commercials 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:39.120 promoting Saturday Live. I was like, this is brand news, 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.240 this is a live show, and it's comedy. It looks 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.080 like something that I've never seen before. And so my 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.160 parents were gone and so SNL, let's see it aired 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.920 at ten thirty in the Midwest, and I remember watching 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.679 it and through that first year I was like, I 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.920 want to do that. I want to be on that show. Now. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:01.880 Then you don't don't tell people because you're in a 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:07.160 small town. Small small towns don't really embrace dreams. And again, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.640 this is before the internet. So I had no that's 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:16.840 the title of your new book. Yeah, I like you 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:23.360 said new book, as if I've written many, um. But 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.760 so that was in my head and I didn't tell people. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.439 I didn't tell anyone. And again, there's no performance opportunity 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:34.440 or stage opportunity in Tipton. None except once a year 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:36.840 there was the high school play, and you couldn't do 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.840 that into your junior so there was no opportunity. This 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.640 is pre internet. There's not a ton of books. I'd 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.960 never met an actor. I didn't know how it worked. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.760 So that's that's that's when I knew, though. You just 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.000 you've watched SNL and you were like, I want to 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:55.640 do that. That's what I want to do. Yeo. So 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.440 what was your process then, of of leaving Tipton. I 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:00.720 know you went to Chicago. How did you decide that 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.320 was the place or go about getting there? Well, I 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.120 went to college first and I was a political science major. Again, 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:09.880 that's surprising to me. That's the most surprising thing you've 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:14.040 said so far. Really, that's funny. The thing was, the 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:20.040 thing is because I'm very political. Uh, I didn't even 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.439 have a thought that I should be a theater major. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.640 That didn't come up. I thought, you go to college 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:31.280 for something that is dedicated to a pursuit, a career, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.800 a profession. So I thought, well, I'm going to be 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:37.120 in politics. And I really, looking back on it, I 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.280 think that was my desire to seek a stage. But 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.320 I also had this altruistic streak where I thought a 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:47.280 politician their job was to help people. So I did 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.520 that for three years, and then I started realizing that 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.760 this isn't no one's talking about the you know, how 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:57.319 you use power or or the process or politics to 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:01.480 really help people. It was us about this machinations of 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.520 things going on. The third year was kind of getting 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:07.480 to the more dry aspects of politics and the administrative 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.400 end of it. And I remember thinking, well, shoot, I've 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:14.000 met so many bright people in this pursuit. And I thought, well, 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.440 the people in politics are either from a political family 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:22.280 or they are very wealthy, or they're the smartest person 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.520 in any room they walk into, and I was none 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.560 of those things. So I just quit going to my 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:28.880 classes because I remember thinking, I don't want to be 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.200 a lawyer. I don't want to just work for a senator, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.280 and that doesn't seem like these people are really committed 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.920 to just helping people. So I quit going to all 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.960 my classes. So as you know, if that happens, you're 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:46.520 what they call academically ineligible, which is my way of punting. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.720 It really was. And my dad said, well, Dave, I 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.200 don't know what you want to do, but I don't 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.360 think you want to go to school. And for me 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.760 that was a relief. I didn't there was no punishment, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.240 but for him as a relief because it's like, Okay, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.840 this kid's off my doll I don't. So he sold 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.360 me the car I was driving. It was a god, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.640 what year was that thing? It was a nineteen probably 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:14.520 a nineteen seventy seven Plymouth Grand Fury. Uh. He sold 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.080 me that car for four hundred dollars. And then I 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.559 was there in Clymie, Missouri. I was working three different 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.439 jobs just to make it, you know, paying for your 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.600 rent and all that stuff, and then a buddy of 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.400 mine and I. By this point, Brian, I had read 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.520 a bunch of books about Saturday Live, like there's a 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.160 smaller book called Backstage at Saturday Night Live. Then I 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.640 was starting to read books about Second City, and I'd 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.719 read the book about John Belushi Wired, and everything that 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.080 kept coming up was like, Oh, they're all from Second City. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.560 So a buddy of mine and I we drove up 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.800 to Chicago and we saw a show at Second City 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.720 and I was like, oh my god, Oh my god. 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:50.920 You know, sitting there in the whole time, was like, God, 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.040 this is what I want, This is what I want. 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.120 And then on the way out, so actually on the 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.720 second level, they're the big, big room and Second City. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.160 Go downstairs and there's a big poster and it was 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.360 advertising classes. I was like, oh my god, that's oh 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.000 that's how that's how they do it. And I had 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.880 a matchbook and a golf pencil, because back then you 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:13.880 would fill out a piece of paper for your mainly address. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:16.719 They wanted people's just like now they want your information. 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.000 And so I surreptitiously wrote down the number for classes 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.040 on that matchbook. Because I'm from Tipton, I expected someone 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.200 to tap on my shoulder and say, what are you 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.200 writing that down for? You can't do that. That's the 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.200 kind of narrative you come from a small town, like 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.040 you don't, don't you have? You can't do that. And 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.040 so then I went back to Columbia, Missouri, and I 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.080 called and I found out that they taught very different 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.000 levels of classes. And then I saved my money so 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.200 that summer I came up and took a two week 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.920 concentrated course for what was called Player's Workshop. And then 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.480 I went home and like, that's it, I'm doing this. 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.400 Went home. It took another year to save money and 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.040 come back. And then I moved to Chicago when I 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:01.080 was twenty four. Wow, and and you, because I know 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.800 you worked at Improv Olympic as well. Were you doing 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:07.200 both of those things simultaneously or once I got to town, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.320 I made the mistake of thinking I had to be 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.680 in restaurant management to uh to afford living in Chicago, 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.560 which I didn't realize. I made less money there than 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:19.880 I would have if I was waiting tables. It took 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.840 six months there. So I just kept all these things 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:26.560 that happened happened for a reason, like I didn't move 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.400 to Chicago to La twenty four, and I didn't start 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:31.880 right away. And then when I was ready to start, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.880 and I quit working as a restaurant manager, I got 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.720 a job waiting tables and I opened up the Chicago 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.960 Tribune in the Sunday section had an article about Dell 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.720 Close and Sharna helping from the Improv Olympic and about 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:45.120 what they were doing, and they were going to have 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.680 their own television show, and I like, this is the 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.880 place to go. So I started first at the Improv Olympic, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.640 which was a blessing, Like all these things lined up 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.440 and sent me to the right direction every time. And 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.360 it was a delay in a sense, but it is 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.520 the right time because at that point, all these other 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.920 people were moving to town and starting classes, and they 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.440 had all been fans of sun Life the same relative 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.560 age that I had been, and we're all happened to 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.120 be there. But everybody wanted to be good. It wasn't 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.440 about being famous or successful. Is about you wanted to 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.920 go there and do this thing and create that then 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.880 find a way to do that magic you had been 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.480 witnessing and be part of that type of thing. And 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.240 it just so happens. So I started the probalymic first, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.560 and then I started taking classes at Second City simultaneously, 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.360 so I was taken both classes. So about that time 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:36.000 I was probably doing at least four nights of classes 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.480 a week, and then within a year then I would 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:42.800 be doing four nights of classes and or performance every 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.880 week for my entire time in Chicago. And then years 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.200 later you read the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell and 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.160 they talked about the ten thousand hours theory and I 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.280 looked back like, oh wow, I did it. I put 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.400 that time in and that's the thing. So that's how 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.960 that's how it happened. And for people who don't know 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.680 Dell Close, this is a legendary comedy teacher in Chicago 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.320 who was there at the same time with you. Well, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.040 when I was there, Chris Farley and I started. Actually 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.800 Chris Farley started I think six months later than me, 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:20.680 but Chris Farley, Pat Finn, Pete Halley, Neil Flynn, Mike Coleman. Then, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.760 uh so this is at Second City that it's Dave Rasowski, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:29.000 Dave Pasquasy. A lot of these people are legends that 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.520 you might not be household names, but trust me. These 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.760 are legendary and prop performers. Tim Madows was there, Joel 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.320 Murray was there, and then over the Second City side 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:43.200 at the same time was Stephen Colbert, Steve Carrell, Richard 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.439 Kind had Jeff left town. But the list of the 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:49.840 people that I ended up working with in Chicago is 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.560 a who's who of people who eventually became amazing. So 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:58.120 then just behind me was Matt Besser, Amy Poehler, Ian Roberts, 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:03.560 Matt Walsh, tina A, Rachel Dratch, Ratio Sayings, Adam McKay 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.120 and other other names. Now these are writers John Glazer, 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:12.120 Brian McCann, Brian Stack, Kevin Dorff. The list goes on 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:16.200 and on, and Tommy, Andy Richter. It just goes on, 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.679 and you realize that this was just happened to be 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.960 an amazing time. And before I left town, I got 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.080 Saturday Live after a couple of years, after many years 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.880 working there. But um I met with a guy named 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.640 Bernie Sillons is one of the persons that started Second City, 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.000 and he and I had lunch and he said he 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.120 had never seen such a confluence of talent as had 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.000 been there in this past ten years. And I look 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.960 at it now and like that has never happened again. 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.960 Like this group of people that all came through at 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:50.440 this particular time in history, and all of them made 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:56.400 a big impact in show business or in media. I guess, 0:18:56.720 --> 0:18:59.800 well you were there. I know Nancy Walls was also 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:02.240 the this Nancy. Sorry I forgot to mention. Nancy and 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.239 I were on Saturday and Live together. Nancy Correll had 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.840 been dating, Yes, she'd been dating Steve Carrell. So Nancy 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.439 and I actually were in the same company at Second City, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.280 and then we both got hired on Saturday Live at 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.520 the same time, and then we both got let go 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.919 from Saturday Night Live at the same time. Nancy and 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.639 Steve got married this summer she and I got hired, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.639 and uh, I was at their wedding and we were 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.320 out there, you know, and Steve audition for SNL. I 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.679 mean that can be to be believed, like they didn't 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:34.000 recognize like Steve Carrell's specialness. Um, I guess I guess 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:35.840 I had to say thank God because then I probably 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.600 wouldn't have gotten hired. But so, yeah, they got married 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.679 right before we started doing SNL that first season. Nancy 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.880 and I and then I think Steve was doing a play. 0:19:45.119 --> 0:19:47.040 He had been at Second City for a long time, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:48.920 and I was a huge fan of his back then. 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:51.600 And he then went and did a play at the 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:55.359 Goodman called Picasso at the Lapino Gil which was a 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.000 stim Martin play, and then he ended up, I think, 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.719 doing it at a Broadway theater in New York, so 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:03.960 they were there at the same time. Too interesting. I 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:08.880 didn't know did he play Einstein? Remember, I don't never 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:12.040 saw the play. Yeah, how arrogant is that that? I 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:14.680 didn't think, oh shit, you know, it's one of those things. 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.159 Back then, I probably would have said he's done something stupid, 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.240 like I'd like to see her play in such a 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.399 way that meant like, fuck you, you know what I 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.280 mean that I would have thought, you want to see 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.800 my play? Oh, how good of you to come down 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:30.639 to see my play. But you know, you're busy thinking 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.320 about yourself and doing a million other things. But I 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:34.960 never did get it. I didn't have a chance to 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:36.800 see it in Chicago and then in New York. I 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:38.680 forget when the run was, but I didn't. I didn't 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:47.879 get a chance to see it. 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