1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hartunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and eighty seven, 11 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: which is first airing in early March of twenty twenty one. 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: Today we are going to be talking about workplace wellness. 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: We're going to be approaching this from a couple of 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: different angles. First, talking about what wellness is, what we 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: can do personally to improve our wellness at work, what 16 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: managers can do to help employees with wellness at work, 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: and then sort of generally, what makes something a great 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: place to work Because we've all observed that you can 19 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: have the exact same job title and the same substance 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: of your job at one organization versus another and yet 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: be much happier at one place versus another. So what 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: is that magic secret sauce that makes someplace so great 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: to work? And how can more of us, you know, 24 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: either find those places or if we are in charge, 25 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: create those places. So that is what this episode is about. 26 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: But first, this was partly spark because Sarah is officially 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: a wellness leader. You want to tell us about that. 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: I don't know how if well. I guess it is official, 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: but it's it's sort of a volunteer part of my job, 30 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: I guess, I would say. So. I serve on the 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: wellness committee for our healthcare system, or for the physician 32 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: group of our healthcare system, and it is a topic 33 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: I am very passionate about and think about a lot. 34 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: I think I do have kind of a unique perspective 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: because I have one eye on the p of like 36 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: resident wellness and what that means as they're kind of 37 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: becoming physicians. I have another on the pulse of like 38 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: a half administrative career, which is my own and my 39 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: secret weapon in understanding things. I think at a little 40 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: bit of a deeper web level than many is my husband, 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: because I also see what a very hectic clinical job 42 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: with high demands and kind of a high value placed 43 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: on what they do. Can how that intersects with the 44 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: challenge of cultivating wellness, and so I do think I'm 45 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: a good person to be delving into this. At the 46 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: same time, it can be very hard to know what 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: as an individual one can do to promote more wellness 48 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: amongst physicians, and it is a huge challenge that is 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: being faced at many different places, as you know, especially 50 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: all kinds of healthcare obviously has faced unprecedented challenges this 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: past year, but even before then, everyone was talking about 52 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: physician burnout, and this committee existed even pre COVID. So yeah, 53 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: it's really really interesting and learning and just a lot 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: of things to think about in that role. Yeah. No, well, 55 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: it's a great idea that they're doing it. I mean, since, 56 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: as you said, physicians turn out to be human beings 57 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: who have you know, bodies that fall apart, brains that 58 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: need a break, and recognizing that among the people who 59 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: deliver our health care, given it that it is such 60 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: a big part of everyone else's health too, is probably important, 61 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: though interestingly has not necessarily been an important narrative in 62 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: the past. So we're glad that that is coming to 63 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: the front right now. So you had written a blog 64 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: post recently which was your answer to everything on wellness. 65 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: So this was on the personal side. So if somebody's like, I, 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: what are the things that you know make me feel 67 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: better and reduce work struss, what did you come up with? Yeah, well, 68 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: the first of all, the title was completely like tongue 69 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: in cheek, like I do not have the answer to everything. 70 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: This came from. It's just like a long time joke 71 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: Josh and I have had because when I was in 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: medical school, the first year, we had to do a 73 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: motivational interviewing exercise. So I'm like this baby eighteen year 74 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: old no nineteen, twenty two year old first year med student, 75 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to convince this like fake patient to 76 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: stop smoking and by doing a motivational interview and at 77 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: the end, I said, now, that's the secret to this 78 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: whole thing. I came to it and I played it 79 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: for Josh and he's like, you just told that guy 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: that you knew the secret to this whole thing. And 81 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: so that's that's become We use that phrase in our 82 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: house when someone sort of acts like the answer to something, 83 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: it's like so easy and they know everything, and it's like, obviously, 84 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 1: you just stop smoking. I never thought of it that 85 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: way before, twenty two year old, first year med school 86 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: and I just I will bring you the secret to 87 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: this whole thing. I'm sure he said it like very 88 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: earnestly and cute. Thank goodness it was an actor. Yes, yes, 89 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: thank goodness. You don't get to practice, for the most 90 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: part on real patience. That's a first year meda student. 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: That is so true, although you do get to spend 92 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: some time with patients and more and more actually as 93 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: time has gone by. Anyway, So I just as I 94 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: wrote out this list, I recognize that I did not 95 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: know the secret, and that's sort of why I sarcastically 96 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: titled it if that kind of makes a sense, because 97 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: for everybody it's different. But the things that I did 98 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 1: come up for myself that might help other individuals. And 99 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: again this is not on the institutional side, but like 100 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: what can you do within yourself getting enough sleep? Number one, 101 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: remembering why you're there each day, like maybe even taking 102 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: a moment as you walk into work and be like 103 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: I am here to take care of patients and to 104 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: like work effectively as a team to make kids healthier, 105 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: like remembering that spending some time outside each day and 106 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: taking effective breaks like using that fifteen minutes you might 107 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: have between sessions to take a little walk instead of 108 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: just scroll. That helps me plan. Obviously, don't need to 109 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: delve into that one, but I find it a secret 110 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: to life for real, spend some time teaching and sometime learning. 111 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: I think that this does invigorate many, at least healthcare workers. 112 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: It's really really fun to see like students develop and 113 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: impart your wisdom and teach them things to have at 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: least one non work hobby that feels meaningful to you. 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: I know this really really helps my husband to have 116 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 1: something like guitar that is just completely separate from work 117 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: that actually helps him enjoy his work paradoxically more. To 118 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: take time to thank others and be generous, especially the 119 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: people that you're working with, not spend excessive money. And 120 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: we can delve into that in a little bit, but 121 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: I do think that's actually important. Don't think that you 122 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: are superhuman or special. That is a complex trap I've 123 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 1: seen some physicians seem to get into. Like remember, even 124 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: you know everybody you're working with, we're all people, and 125 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: we all have jobs. And we're all trying to do 126 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: our best. And finally, if you are a parent, don't 127 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: skip on childcare. So that's the very best of both 128 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: worlds tip for everyone. But I want to have you 129 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: elaborate a little bit on this. I mean, because one 130 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: of the things you did put is don't spend excessive 131 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: money in here, So how is how is that benefiting 132 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: your your wellness a lot of I mean, so what 133 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: I've learned over the past few years is physicians especially 134 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: are notorious for overspending what they're earning to the point 135 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: where they become very, very dependent on not even their 136 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: jobs like sustaining, but their jobs growing. And I think 137 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: that that pressure, like if you were like, oh, if 138 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't earn this like extra bonus, I won't be 139 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: able to afford my mortgage payments, like if you put 140 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: yourself into that kind of a position. We certainly don't, 141 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: but some people do. Then I think that it as 142 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: a completely unnecessary layer of pressure to what is already 143 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: a high stress job. And so I do feel like 144 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: structuring your life so that there is not a lot 145 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: of financial stress and you kind of know the future 146 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: is well planned and you're on a path that you know. 147 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: I guess you don't have to do heroics to increase 148 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: your earnings in order to have a comfortable retirement or 149 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: meet your goals. I think that adds to overall wellness. 150 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: I know that once we got stuff in better order, 151 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: that added to my own personal wellness and oddly helped 152 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: me to feel a little bit more free at work, 153 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: maybe because I didn't feel like I you just feel 154 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: less desperate, like you feel more like you know, I 155 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: could do something else if I needed to, or I could, 156 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: I could find another job and it wouldn't even necessarily 157 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: have to be like exactly the same paying job. It 158 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: just gives you a lot more flexibility and freedom and 159 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: one less thing to worry about. Yeah, now that's a 160 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: great point, because yeah, I mean having a bonus be 161 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: a bonus is probably wise for one psychological wellness in general, 162 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: that if you live on what you know you will 163 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: make even if it's not a great year, than if 164 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: it is. It's all gravy, and you know, you don't 165 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: have to push yourself to for something that is more 166 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: variable and that you wouldn't know. So that's that's good 167 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: advice for people, whether you're in medicine or not. Of course, 168 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: the one place that you do want to spend is 169 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: the childcare. And talk a little bit about this because 170 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: when people are like skimping on childcare, I mean, what 171 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: are the ways people do that that make, you know, 172 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: adds to their stress. I mean I get tempted myself. 173 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, do we really need full time with the 174 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: kids are? And then I really search myself and I'm like, well, 175 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: it would make every morning very stressful, and then I'd 176 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: be on a time clock every afternoon. Like I think, 177 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: having a little bit more than you truly need so 178 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: that you have a buffer and you know that if 179 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: you have, you know, a meeting that has to happen 180 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: at six pm, like I have tonight that I don't 181 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: have to stress over. You know who's going to help 182 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: me with that? It greatly adds to my It really 183 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: takes away from career stress, because that does become a 184 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: layer of career stress if you feel very, very constrained 185 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: by your hours. And I recognize that as a luxury 186 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: like that that is not something that everyone can do, 187 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: but probably most physicians, depending on their other lifestyle choices, 188 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: can afford a little bit of extra kind of buffer 189 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: zone there and I that it does add to quality 190 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: of life and probably increases just general job satisfaction because 191 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: you feel like, Okay, I'm gonna have to work an 192 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: extra hour here and there, but then I can get 193 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: it all done without like that additional layer of stress 194 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: of scrambling to figure out what to do with the kids. Yes, 195 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: it's funny that we're talking about this right now because 196 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: we have a giant snowstorm and that forces a change 197 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: in our general childcare arrangements. But what we have the 198 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: four older kids home with us right now doing virtual school, 199 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: although Alex is not doing virtual school right now because 200 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: I can't supervise it. I'm here doing something else. I 201 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: will supervise it in the afternoon, but I can't in 202 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: the morning. So he's just playing his Kindle, which we found. 203 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: It was hidden in the house but has been found. 204 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: So that's an exciting thing for anyone who is reading 205 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: my blog and wondering about that. But this is how 206 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: it is at the moment with this. But it is 207 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: not some thing that I could say like, oh, hey, 208 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, since we're both working from home, we don't 209 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: need childcare at all, right, Like that would just be ridiculous. 210 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: And yet yet I know a lot of people the 211 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: year had to make do with that with the pandemic 212 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: over the past year, or have maybe thought like, oh, yeah, 213 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: why don't we try that? Would I would suggest you 214 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: not try that if there are other options. And yes, 215 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: you know, good child care costs money, but one of 216 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: our themes here on Best of both worlds is that 217 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: that is actually worth putting money into that. Maybe there 218 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: are other areas of life that we can cut back 219 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 1: on in order to you know, have that quality of 220 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: life aspect. Right, Well, why don't we take a short 221 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: break and then we'll be back with more on what 222 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: managers and what institutions can do. All right, Well, we 223 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: are back talking about workplace wellness. Sarah is on the 224 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: official wellness committee at her institution. She talked about what 225 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: people can do individually to make themselves feel better to 226 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: reduce workplace stress. But after she posted on her blog 227 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: about this, of course other people chimed in with things 228 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: that managers and organizations can do and that they've seen. So, Sarah, 229 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: what what are some of those things that our readers 230 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: and listeners came up with. Yeah, So, one thing was 231 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: to make sure that counseling for stressors is easily available, 232 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: and that could be you know, directly through some sort 233 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: of online service, through HR, could be through help benefits. 234 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: But also not only should the workplaces make sure that 235 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: those services are available, but they should make sure that 236 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: employees have goodly way to use those services when needed. 237 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 1: Because somebody did point out that it's you know, it's 238 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: great to have psychologists available, but if I need to 239 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: use them during business hours and I'm not allowed to 240 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: you know, take the time off to go to an appointment, 241 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: then it's useless. So having those services available and having 242 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: the ability to kind of take breaks when needed to 243 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: use those services, that was somebody some brought up. A 244 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: lot of people were passionate about fitness and having the 245 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: workplace you know, either provide incentives for exercise or have 246 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: like convenient on site fitness facilities. But then they also 247 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: mentioned that it has to be part of the work culture, 248 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: so it can't be seen as like, you know, weird 249 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: or wrong to work out during your lunch break. You 250 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: actually want to see like the leadership doing it and 251 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: modeling it to make it a normal thing and kind 252 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: of encourage that wellness culture within the institution. So having 253 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: having the facilities available and having the behaviors modeled by 254 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: those in leadership. I thought that was an interesting one. Yeah, No, 255 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: that's a great one. Yeah. And then moving down the 256 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: actual workplace wellness programs like one on sleep someone mentioned, Yeah, 257 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: there was somebody who commented on my blog that has 258 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: a role as like I think a corporate like what like. 259 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: She consults with companies to help improve their wellness and 260 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: she said one of their most successful campaigns was actually 261 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: to do a huge education and I don't know if 262 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: they also maybe like altered some things about schedules. She 263 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: didn't really talk about specifics, but to improve the quality 264 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: and amount of sleep that the people at the company got, 265 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: and she said that ended up having trickle down effects 266 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: into many other realms like exercise and like other kinds 267 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: of kind of job satisfaction and engagement things. So I 268 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: thought that was really really cool. Another company mentioned having 269 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: like an on site massage therapist or optional fund social events. 270 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: I do think the key is optional because I think 271 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: if they become obligatory, you will get people complaining that 272 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: they wanted that time for family and how dare the 273 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: organization like force them to be doing events for wellness 274 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: when you know they But at the same time, if 275 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: they're optional, then they can just be you know, opportunities 276 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: to hang out with colleagues in a more informal setting 277 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: like a book club, unrelated to you know, the work 278 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: topic that you have. We used to call it mandatory fun. Yeah, 279 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's not a mandatory mandatory fun. Agree. Agree. 280 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: I think I think suggested ways that people might want 281 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: get involved if desired, because you're right, the desire to 282 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: do that's going to vary based on people's life stages 283 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: and time constraints and all things like that. And then 284 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: one thing that was mentioned in the Medical Realm was 285 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: making sure that workloads are reasonable and a management that 286 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: doesn't just listen to problems but responds to them. So 287 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: I think that is huge. I mean, it's great if 288 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: the management takes a listening ear to you saying, like, 289 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, I really need someone to help me with notes, 290 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: I need an assistant or ascribe. And if they listen 291 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: and nod, that's not helpful. But if less yours exactly 292 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: if they listen and to find out what you need 293 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: and sort of partner with you to say, you know what, 294 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: I would love that you would have more productivity, you 295 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: would be happier. Is a way you could like sneak 296 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: in one extra patient per day if I provided you 297 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: described to help offset the costs, and then most positions 298 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: would be like great, no problem. So a management that actually, 299 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, responds to these quote unquote pebbles in your 300 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: shoes that you deal with every day is huge. And 301 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: one person said that was sort of what made the 302 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: difference with her between various jobs as to whether whether 303 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: people work together and whether administration actually listened and responded 304 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: to concerns. And I love like one more you had 305 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: on the list, which was closure during holidays. I think 306 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: this is this is something you could check very easily 307 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: if you are thinking of taking a job looking at 308 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: their schedule, because an office that you know, if you're 309 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: not providing life and death services here obviously, you know, 310 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: if you're in the police force, you're going to work 311 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: over Christmas like, because that's just you know that people 312 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: need to be operated on sometimes, you know, over Christmas, 313 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: this is life. But most of us are not doing 314 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: that right And so if the office is closed for 315 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: major holidays, like they don't just say oh yeah, we 316 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: come in on the Friday after Thanksgiving, Like now they 317 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: actually are closed from like Wednesday to Monday, or you know, 318 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: Tuesday to Monday. Whatever. That's a way to show that 319 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: they aren't forcing people to take vacation days to sort 320 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: of what is considered a normal holidays schedule, and that 321 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: may indicate that they have a little bit more belief 322 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: that it is appropriate to take time off for holidays 323 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,239 Speaker 1: that people might wish to spend with family. Well I 324 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: find that a little funny because at least where I work, 325 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: when the office is closed, those are vacation days that 326 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: come out of your vacation banks. So I don't know 327 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: that probably varies wherever you're going, But still I still 328 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: think it can be helpful because it's like saying, you 329 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: know what, things are going to be quiet. We don't 330 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: need you to check your inbox, Like this is time 331 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: that everyone's going to kind of step away from everything 332 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: but the urgent. And of course one on call person 333 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: can cover the urgent, but that can be a different 334 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: person every year for any given holidays. So you do 335 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: get that that time, whether or not it's you know, 336 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: coming out of your your vacation bank or not. I 337 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: think that wasn't even more Sorry, I was just going 338 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: to say, I think this is you know, especially as 339 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: a number of sort of the the cool and hip 340 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: employers are experimenting with not actual vacation days, right, Like 341 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: it's more flexible how many you take, Like there's not 342 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: like you get ten exactly and you must account for 343 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: all ten. The closures actually do help because they people 344 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: know it is okay, right, and many people are like, oh, well, 345 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to take all ten because that shows 346 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: I'm the kind of person who takes all ten. But 347 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: like you need them to get the actual holidays up. 348 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: So if the place is closed, it's a sign that 349 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: everybody is taking it off. And so especially if it 350 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: isn't counted against your bank of PTO, that can be 351 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: helpful for that kind of place. That makes sense, and 352 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: leaders need to model that. So I think that's kind 353 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: of a key theme throughout. If the leadership is like 354 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: offering all these things, but then they're sending emails at 355 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: Sunday at ten am and like at you know, five 356 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 1: am on a Thursday, and inviting you to a mandatory 357 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: meeting at seven pm, then like they're they're not they're 358 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: not really modeling all of these things. And I think 359 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: especially with the vacation stuff. I mean, this doesn't apply 360 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: necessarily to a medical place, but like if you work 361 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: in some I don't know, Silicon Valley corporation and they're 362 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 1: saying that the office is closed, then I think I 363 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,239 Speaker 1: think the boss should make a big show of being like, 364 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,919 Speaker 1: we're closed, and I'm also going to Tahiti or whatever. 365 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: Maybe not now, but someday someday. Yeah, exactly. So, Sarah, 366 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: if you were, you know, in charge of a big 367 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: place and you were going to, you know, have the 368 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: best in class wellness someplace, what would you do, Like, 369 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 1: what would be the first thing you'd do? I would 370 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: make sure I would. I would. I would respond to 371 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: what that person said about management really really listening, and 372 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: I would put in place some sort of regular forums 373 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: for people to bring up concerns with kind of dedicated 374 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: problem and troubleshooting measures with formalized follow up to see 375 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: if these things like got taken care of. So I 376 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: think I would, I would, and I am. I mean, 377 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: we aren't doing some of the stuff. So it's not 378 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: even just pretend like opening lines of communication to troubleshoot 379 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 1: what is actually bothering people. I think that's one thing. 380 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: I would mandate that people use their vacation. This is 381 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit you know, controvers but you know, physicians, 382 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: there's all this discussion about burnout, and then if you 383 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: actually drilled down, you will often find that many people 384 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: who are extremely burned out have paid time off in 385 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: their bank, sometimes weeks of it, and have not used it. 386 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: So I would create a culture where it was very 387 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: important to take time off and to actually be off 388 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: during that time off. I mean, that's why we are 389 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: in these groups that have coverage models set, and I 390 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: think that we can because of you know, better communication 391 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: and you know, I kind of think the electronic medical 392 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: record does help with this. We can better hand off 393 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: from patient to patient and feel like we can truly 394 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: turn off when we're off. So I would encourage more 395 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, there was that. For people who've read 396 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: Cheryl Sandberg's lean In, she talks about her office manager 397 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: when she was in the Washington DC office of McKenzie, 398 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: talking about how people would leave all the time because 399 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: they were burned out, but they always had weeks of unpaid, 400 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: untaken vacation time. Said well, I can understand that, you know, 401 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: people might not want to do this. Job forever. Like sure, 402 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: you know, maybe people don't want to do this job forever, 403 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: but you know the company is going to ask whatever 404 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: they're going to ask of you. It's up to you 405 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: to set your boundaries as well. And so if you're 406 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: feeling burned out and you've got two weeks of vacation 407 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: time that you haven't used, like try taking that first 408 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: right and then and then come back and see how 409 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: you feel. And you know, maybe you still want to quit, 410 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: and that's fine, but it's not just that you haven't 411 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: had a vacation in ten months and so you have 412 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: to quit. It's like, well, well, there's actually a mechanism 413 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: for you to take a vacation, Like it's there. You 414 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 1: have to do it, though, Yeah, And I think I 415 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's really underrated. I think that 416 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: the anticipating the vacation is good for us, spending that 417 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: time apart with family, trying as best as you can 418 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: not to pollute that vacation with you know, multiple work 419 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: tests and projects, which I you know, if people show 420 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: that that's the norm, then other people feel tempted to 421 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: do it. And I think that's such a sad slip slope. 422 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that. I think that's a priority 423 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: as well as administration very much listening to people's everyday 424 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: concerns and responding to them. So how's your wellness and 425 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: how's how's Josh's right? Now? You know my I feel 426 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: like my wellness is very good. But you're so proactive 427 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: about it. I mean, you have so many good habits 428 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: in place. They're like, well, I exercise every morning, and 429 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: I journal and I meditate in my own I mean, 430 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: this is you consciously doing this. I mean, so I 431 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: am very proactive about it. Sometimes I feel like, well, 432 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: does this mean like am I getting away with something? 433 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: Like is my job just like easy? But then I 434 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: look around and people who are theoretically doing my same 435 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: job and they don't necessarily seem so stress free. So 436 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: but like at the same time, it's like, well, what 437 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: am I doing? Right? I don't know. I guess you're right, 438 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: like I am in a polder. So maybe that helps 439 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: me to put myself first sometimes, like I'm gonna go 440 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: buy my routines. I'm also pretty proactive about work tasks 441 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: because I find that being proactive and staying ahead of 442 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: the game tends to save a lot of time. I've 443 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: got to know you really well, and I follow people 444 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: like cal Newport really well. So I think I've gotten 445 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: really efficient at parts of my job. I'm not a perfectionist, 446 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: and I'm also willing to hand off and let others 447 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: cover me, and I think that's a I think that's 448 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: an important skill. You have to learn to trust others. 449 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: And I have no problem doing that if it means 450 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: that I can unplug for a period of time. And 451 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: I really like my job, like I both the residency 452 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: part and the clinical part. When I go into work, like, yes, 453 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: there can be like little things of course about anything 454 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: that are just you know, annoying, but on a global picture, 455 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: I just feel like, Wow, what I'm doing is important, 456 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: and I'm connecting with families and I'm helping train residents, 457 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: and since all of those things feel meaningful to me, 458 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: it's pretty easy. But I but I also I'm not 459 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: going to lie and say I work seventy hours a week. 460 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: I totally don't. I work like forty or less probably, 461 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: And I'm that's fine. Doing your job in forty hours. 462 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean that's like, I'm pretty sure watching you rise 463 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: up the ranks in your organize that you have I 464 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: think I'm doing my job. I see my patients, I 465 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: see my volume, I get my notes in, I run 466 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: my residency. I'm pretty active. I'm check off the boxes. 467 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's it's hard to know, but 468 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: it seems like it's a great balance. Now, Josh is 469 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: an interesting case and I guess this is the way 470 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: I think of Josh, the case study of Josh. I 471 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: asked him the other day. I was like, do you 472 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: feel like you have good wellness? And I think I 473 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: asked him when he was doing notes at like five 474 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: point thirty in the morning, and he was like He's like, no, yeah, 475 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: oh really Okay. It's like, yeah, I don't know why, 476 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: but I do. And I'm like, that is very interesting. 477 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: And he says, well, I feel like I have some 478 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: time I can spend with the family and somehow I 479 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: can spend with my hobbies, and it doesn't really bother 480 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: me that my work sometimes bleeds into certain other areas 481 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: of life. Now, he definitely works more than forty hours 482 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: a week, although he's been better, And I think I 483 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: will take a tiny bit of credit for this about 484 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: being more intentional about when he's going to work later, 485 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: when he's going to get stuffed done. I actually showed 486 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: him the case study that Obijui in that asked a 487 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: question many episodes ago about like, well, when should I 488 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: get my charts done? And so we worked out like 489 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: certain nights that he's going to work on charts, which 490 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: means there's certain nights that he's not going to work 491 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: on charts and either do something for himself like he's 492 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: been doing this guitar thing, or have a night with 493 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: a family, or beat the kind of dad on call 494 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: on a given night. And I also think he's gotten 495 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: better about spending his call weekends really really really really 496 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,479 Speaker 1: catching up so that when he's not on call, he 497 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: doesn't feel bound to do a ton of EMR catch 498 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: up and that helps. And I think he does find 499 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: a lot of meaning in what he does and enjoys that. 500 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: I think he likes teaching. I think he likes the 501 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: patient care. I think he really forms true relationships with 502 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: his colleagues. And you know, many surgeons get kind of 503 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: a god complex and he is the opposite of that. 504 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: So I think all these things help. And I think 505 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: his wellness is pretty good despite on paper what might 506 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: look like you would be at risk for not being well, 507 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: that's good. The younger family has good systems in place. 508 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: Nobody surprise, We do not skim by job. That is 509 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: for sure exactly well cool, and we just wanted to, 510 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, before we move on to our Q and 511 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: A talk about broadly what makes an organization a great 512 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: place to work, because this has actually been studied fairly 513 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: well as one might imagine. You know, people are interested 514 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: in becoming an employer of choice. Some places aren't, but 515 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: some places certainly are. And it turns out that it's 516 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: not just throwing money at people. Now, we are fully 517 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: in favor of throwing money at people, but that is 518 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: not the primary thing. It can't make up for other problems. 519 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: People want autonomy, which is that you can mostly choose 520 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: how you do your work. You may be held accountable 521 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: for results, but you are mostly responsible for figuring out 522 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: within a range of how you do your work. And 523 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,719 Speaker 1: that also includes flexibility over hours and location. So if 524 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: it is a job that can occasionally be done remotely, 525 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: that you are able to do that. We've found out 526 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: that a lot more jobs fall in that category over 527 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: the past year, but certainly, moving forward, hopefully more places 528 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: will recognize that opportunities for growth, that there is a 529 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: career trajectory and that there is interest in your development. 530 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: That when somebody joins an organization, it is understood that 531 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: you would like to see them learn and grow within 532 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: that organization. That nobody is hired as a sort of 533 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,239 Speaker 1: dead end kind of thing. That there is always an 534 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: opportunity for you to move up and get more responsibility, 535 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: and if it requires more training for you to get 536 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: to that place, that the organization is actively interested in 537 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: making that happen for you. A collaborative, inclusive culture that 538 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: people enjoy working with their colleagues, and that incentives don't 539 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: pit everyone against each other. If you're on a sales 540 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: team where it's like, okay, one guy goes to Hawaii 541 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: and the rest of you get yelled at, like no, 542 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't work at all, you want to make sure 543 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: that that's not going on. That there's a sense of 544 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: purpose what Sarah talked about, that she shows up and thinks, Okay, 545 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm taking care of kids. I'm helping them get healthy. 546 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: If you are organized around a sense of purpose, which 547 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: obviously not all of us are in the business of 548 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: helping kids get healthy. We can't all have that, but 549 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,880 Speaker 1: there's probably something that is cool about where you work, 550 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: what you're doing. Maybe you have a product that really 551 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: brings people joy, or you're helping other businesses run more 552 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: efficiently and so that they can do the great things 553 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: they're doing. There's all sorts of wonderful purpose. But if 554 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: you are united around that, it makes it a great 555 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: place to work. And of course, then throwing money at 556 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: people great pay and benefits never a bad thing, though 557 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: again it can't make up for the others, but it 558 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: can't be missing either. So you want to be at 559 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: least in the top half of your industry distribution. So, yeah, Sarah, 560 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: anything to add to that. No, I think I've gotten 561 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: pretty darn lucky. I just want to say that if 562 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: I came across as like, oh, I have the best 563 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: job and I'm really good at doing it, I think 564 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: there is an element of luck. And I am very 565 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: lucky to have trained in a place that was pretty 566 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: good to work. And I certainly work in a place 567 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: that I think is fantastic to work. And there are 568 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: in better places to be, and I like that where 569 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: I work is trying to be even better than they 570 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: already are. But but I do feel like I lucked 571 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: out in that realm. That's awesome. Well Vandercam Inc. Is 572 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: a well, it's actually Vandercamp Media, I'll say. But anyway, 573 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: we're okay on the wellness front. Tough Boss, Yes, definitely, 574 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: little podcasting job has excellent wellness benefits as well. Yeah, exactly. 575 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: All right, So our question did this come in from Instagram? 576 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: Or where did this? I think so I went through 577 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: my photos because a lot of times I will screenshot 578 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: questions that come in and that's a little behind scenes 579 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: at the fact that I still haven't totally organized it. 580 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: But this one I think came from Instagram, which was 581 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: suggestions on how to get out the door with a toddler. 582 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: I thought that was a great question. It's a great 583 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: question because there's no answer. It's like I love, I 584 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: love the idea that people have these questions as if 585 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: we have the answers. Sarah, do you have the answer? 586 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: I don't think I have the answer. I mean, we've 587 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: had a lot of years to work on the process. 588 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: I think there are some things I can share which 589 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: have helped. Okay, Well, one thing, and you mentioned this 590 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: as well, is that I think if you have one 591 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: person in charge of kid wrangling that is beneficial. I 592 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: think sometimes it's actually worse when there are two because 593 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: it's like not clear who's in charged. So today is 594 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: a day that Josh drives the kids to school, but 595 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: we've kind of established this nice division where like he's 596 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: going to drive them and appear at seven thirty, and 597 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to help get them to that point. And 598 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: it's very clear that they're answering to me in terms 599 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: of like getting dressed and eating their breakfast and whatever. 600 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: So I think getting rid of the ambiguity with who's 601 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: in charge helps keeping the clothes downstairs and the toothbrushes downstairs, 602 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: and the minimizing trips up and down the stairs to 603 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: the extent possible, I think can be can be great. 604 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: I have a cutoff time. This one's hard, but I 605 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: try to enforce a cutoff time for eating breakfast because 606 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: like three year olds in particular, you can like take 607 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: two bites and then like get distracted and then want 608 00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: to take another bite. To the point where like they're 609 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: eating takes forty five minutes and it really doesn't need to. 610 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: So if it's like seven twenty, I'm like, well, you 611 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: have two more minutes to finish eating. If you're not done, 612 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: that's fine. We will put it in a bag and 613 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: you can bring that to school and need it when 614 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: you get there, because like they're not going to starve, 615 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: they can eat it in thirty minutes. And then with 616 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: older kids, I will like, just walk out the door, 617 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: you like, meet me in the car. It doesn't work, 618 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: doesn't really work with Genevieve, but the other two we'll 619 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: get frantic and we'll actually usually get out pretty quickly. Yeah, 620 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: I would say getting out the door with five children 621 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: requires effort. We're usually not doing all five except on weekends, 622 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: and I will admit that I am often running around 623 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: like a crazy person and yelling. And this is partly 624 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: a function of the nature of pandemic era family activities, 625 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: is that you have timed tickets for stuff, and so 626 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: like in a normal world it wouldn't matter if we 627 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: got in the car ten minutes later to go to 628 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: the zoo than we did, but now it does because 629 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: you have a limited window in which you are allowed 630 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: to show up at the gates. And so this has 631 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: added slightly to the stress of getting us out. So 632 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: what I have I have a leaving time and I 633 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: have a getting in the car time, and the getting 634 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: in the car time is about ten minutes prior to 635 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: the leaving time, so that that is when I start 636 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: saying shoes on, coats on, masks on, whatever else. We need, 637 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: diaper bag which is you know, usually packed but whatever, 638 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: and we have diapers and wipes in the car, so 639 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,719 Speaker 1: it's not even a deal. But kids are given warnings 640 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: ahead of time, so it's not like I just announced, Okay, 641 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: we're getting shoes on. Like we've talked through like this 642 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: afternoon at one o'clock we will be doing this. We 643 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: have everything the necessary equipment in the mudroom bins hockey equipment, 644 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: not hockey equipment, you know what I'm saying, Like everything 645 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: that is needed is in the bins. The masks. I 646 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: still wind up grabbing ones for everybody. I you know, 647 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: I there's no good they're not stored there because then 648 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: they get all dirty. So we store them in a 649 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: certain place in the kitchen. But then they like nobody, 650 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: they get their shoes on and they're like, oh wait, 651 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: I forgot my mask, and so they have to take 652 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: their shoes off and walk back to the kitchen. It's 653 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: just I wind up grabbing them and then they put 654 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: them down and then wind up in the car without them. 655 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: But that's another matter, the you know, the one. We 656 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: only have one kid who is engaged in any active 657 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: subterfuge of not getting in the car, and you know, 658 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,479 Speaker 1: our listeners can probably guess which child that is. And 659 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: so I have occasionally had to run back in the 660 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: car house or send Michael back in the house to 661 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: find him, grab him, pull him out. So occasionally I'm 662 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: just like yelling like a crazy person in the driveway 663 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: as I realize he has run back in the house 664 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: and like hidden somewhere. So I'm sure our neighbors have 665 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: all kinds of opinions on us. And you know, so 666 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: you can keep listening to best of both worlds for 667 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: more pro parenting tips like that, well you're gonna get 668 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: new neighbors, Okay, you'll start fresh. No, there's definitely yelling 669 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: that happens out the door sometimes with masks. I don't 670 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: have the kids. I just grab it and then I 671 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: have them put it on in the car, because I 672 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: agree if I were to give it to them in 673 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 1: the house, like I don't know that it would make 674 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: it to the car. And I'm sure people have gotten 675 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: to the point where like in my weekend bag, I 676 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: have like extra masks in a plastic bag because maybe 677 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: them in the backpacks too. So I'm the like bringing 678 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: kids to school, you know, I look and see are 679 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: they wearing them? When I'm in the car because we've 680 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: been stopped using the bus service because of you know, 681 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: COVID for the morning runs and stuff. But it's uh yeah, 682 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: just one more thing. We have a sign by the 683 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: door like do you have mask charged computer, snack or 684 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: lunch if needed, But it's become part of the wallpaper 685 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: at this point. So I was just gonna say that 686 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: would work until it didn't. Didn't. That doesn't, but it's 687 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,959 Speaker 1: a good try, good all right. Love of the week, Sarah, 688 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: what's yours? Yeah, So, since this was a work themed episode, 689 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: I would just like to announce that I've had the 690 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: same Litman pediatric stethoscope since residency and it is still 691 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: going strong. I did replace the eartips at one point 692 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: because they got like disintegrated or something. But like I 693 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: was just thinking, as I was creating the notes for 694 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: this episode, I just looked over and I'm like, that 695 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 1: thing looks great and it's old now, so I hope 696 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: that that could be my only stethoscope of my career. 697 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: Going to make it to retirement, well, maybe my love 698 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: of the week will too. I bought a fifteen pound kettlebell, 699 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: so I've been doing, you know, every day a little 700 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: something in terms of strength and resistance training. I started 701 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: on January first, and as of February, late February, as 702 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: we're recording this, I have been doing it every single day. 703 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: I started with the ten pound kettle bell because that's 704 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: what I had, and then I decided, as I had 705 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: done this for close to two months, that I was 706 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: feeling a bit more motivated, so bought a fifteen pound kettlebell, 707 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: which was available. I know, at the start of the 708 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: pandemic there was a huge run on dumbbells and kettlebells 709 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: and everything as people are trying to do home based fitness. 710 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: But the beauty of the market is that this has 711 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: been re established now, so if you are thinking all 712 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: the fitness equipment is gone, it is back, so you 713 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: too can buy yourself heavier weights if you are looking 714 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: to do so. So my love of the week is 715 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: my fifteen pound kettlebell. Hopefully I'll stick with that for 716 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: a couple months and then maybe I'll move on to 717 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: twenty pounds. Woo Shelsey, stay Tunedo. That's awesome. Congratulations. All right, well, 718 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. We have been 719 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: talking about workplace wellness and we will be back next 720 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: week with more on making work and life fit together. 721 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 722 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 723 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 724 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 725 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 726 00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: life work together.