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Speaker 1: hate the white man? Why? I don't hate anybody. I'm

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Speaker 1: just speaking the truth. And people get mad. A white

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Speaker 1: broadcaster can say the same thing I say and will

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Speaker 1: not get criticized for me. Because I'm black, I get it,

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Speaker 1: especially from the biggest absolutely and I get it and

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Speaker 1: I respect you. That's why that the questions that I answered.

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Speaker 1: I'm a black man, and I know the type of

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Speaker 1: business that you're in. I know the level that you

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Speaker 1: are when you're when you're because you you you're are

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Speaker 1: allowing yourself to be yourself in a CNN format and

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Speaker 1: when you slide over to this podcast, world. This is

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Speaker 1: actually a voice that you can dictate and control, and

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Speaker 1: that's when the criticism the things can come even stronger.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Don Lemon is an amazing podcast called

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Speaker 1: Silence Is Not An Option. Every Thursday he drops a

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Speaker 1: new show. It's a couple of things I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you before we wrap up. That really on the

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Speaker 1: COVID ninteen side. Early on in the COVID ninteen, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I was watching you and the lady called and he

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Speaker 1: was interviewing a lady and she had told you that

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Speaker 1: eight out of ten black people who are hospitalized in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this interview. Had COVID ninteen,

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Speaker 1: I would tell you something when when um, you had

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Speaker 1: a stunted look on your face, if you saw my faith,

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Speaker 1: it would have matched it. I just could not believe

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Speaker 1: that number. And so when you get live, because I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you get prepped for the shows, but when you

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Speaker 1: get information like that that sounds so incredible, that eight

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Speaker 1: out of ten COVID and eighteen patients that were hospitalized

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Speaker 1: in the city of Atlanta or African Americans, how do

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Speaker 1: you compartmentalize that intend to go and still deliver what

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Speaker 1: you have to deliver to the American people. I have

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Speaker 1: to keep my composed number one. You know, I got bills.

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Speaker 1: I've got to keep my composure so that I can

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Speaker 1: bey and convey it to the folks at home. But

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Speaker 1: but I'm honest, I was honestly shocked. Like you, I'm like, wait,

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Speaker 1: wait what that's what you're saying. You went when you

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Speaker 1: were you were, and I was like, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't. In fact, I'm gonna tall you something. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna I want you to continue. But I actually came

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Speaker 1: to work the next day, I went, I watched John

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Speaker 1: Lemon and he has some lady on talking about eight

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Speaker 1: out of ten black people and who had COVID NTEENA

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta? What what what black? And they would And

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Speaker 1: then then I opened up a j C, which is

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Speaker 1: Atlanta General Constitution, and it was true. You I got

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Speaker 1: to play that out behind closed doing in front of

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Speaker 1: my employees. You get to play that out on national

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Speaker 1: TV with a person and a kind of in the

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Speaker 1: zoom TV. I remember that the declarity wasn't that good.

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Speaker 1: It was because she had a bad zoom camera. And

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Speaker 1: here you are on national TV going really just the

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Speaker 1: first time I've heard of any incredible information like that.

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Speaker 1: Now you can continue, Yeah, well, because it is, and

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Speaker 1: I figured, you know, that's the same way I asked

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Speaker 1: questions that I'm asking. I try to sit there like

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Speaker 1: a viewer and like people at home, because people at

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Speaker 1: home want to know, like you know, they're getting me.

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Speaker 1: I may have been pressed for it by producers, write

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Speaker 1: a lot of it, some of it, a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is also happening live, and I you know, and

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you I'm getting this information when you're getting

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Speaker 1: so you you you know, bear with me. But um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I'm seeking for the people at home. I'm asking

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Speaker 1: questions for the people at home, just like you were

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Speaker 1: shying the people who are listening to us. Now, those

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Speaker 1: are the questions that I asked. Again, That's why I

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Speaker 1: don't sit there and try to be perfect like you

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Speaker 1: know when people when your mom says, act like you've

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Speaker 1: been somewhere, right, I get that, but sometimes you really

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Speaker 1: haven't been somewhere, and you just have to just have

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Speaker 1: to say, I have never been here, and I'm taking

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Speaker 1: you here with me. And it guess what. I was

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Speaker 1: alone for the ride, and I was like, I was

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Speaker 1: I was. I was so traumatized by the information I

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Speaker 1: actually tuned out the rest of the interview. I was like,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy. I went to those terminologies, those levels of

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Speaker 1: terms like no way, no way, how could this be?

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Speaker 1: And then then you realize, okay that then as you

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Speaker 1: start playing off you do the research, you realized that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the COVID ainteen was overtly affecting the people

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Speaker 1: of color, people in the black community, and uh and

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Speaker 1: and and then in this the White House had nothing

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Speaker 1: to say but whatever, And that also affects you emotionally.

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Speaker 1: And then I want to fast forward to a recent interview,

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Speaker 1: I believe last week where you was interviewing this family.

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Speaker 1: I believe it was in Florida and the husband and

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Speaker 1: and and her father in law had died from COVID.

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Speaker 1: En you was interviewing the family. There was a children's

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Speaker 1: dad and granddad. They were both doctors, yes, and they

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Speaker 1: both contracted um COVID and they both died, father and son,

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Speaker 1: and I think they died a couple of days apart

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Speaker 1: in the hospital. I'm gonna tell you them done. I

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Speaker 1: know that was a difficult interview at times, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, and so I wanted to bring that up

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Speaker 1: and in my interview with you, just to show you

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Speaker 1: the range. You know, the range. Sometimes you can get

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Speaker 1: to get lost in this information pool and just be

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Speaker 1: doing your job to see that here at the at

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Speaker 1: the height, at the very beginning of unknown, you find

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Speaker 1: out that the people in COVID patients and Atlanta, Georgia

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Speaker 1: were African Americans. And then you do an interview last

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Speaker 1: week or white family, attractive white family because you mentioned

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Speaker 1: that in your interview and they and they were doctors

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Speaker 1: and they still with victims of COVID and eighteen and

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Speaker 1: we still have people out here, you know, condemning mask,

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Speaker 1: calling to the fraud and all that. But you have

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Speaker 1: to hold it together and you have to be that

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Speaker 1: that sustained force of reason, of credibility and information. That's

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Speaker 1: a tremendous burden. Don I'm not trying to wear you down,

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Speaker 1: my friend, but I have to give you respect because

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Speaker 1: I love you, man, and and you can't you can't stop,

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Speaker 1: you can't stop. I won't let you stop, man. I

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Speaker 1: support you to the mountaintop because you are taking us there.

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Speaker 1: And I just wanted to just talk about that range

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Speaker 1: when you from from from that black information at the

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of COVID, and we at the peak

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Speaker 1: of COVID right now, and you're talking with the father

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Speaker 1: and grandfather, Give us that, give us that that in

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Speaker 1: the middle of all that, George Lord, yeah, and and

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Speaker 1: and George f But I mean, listen, you gotta this

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Speaker 1: is I gotta be honest with you. I've never know

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Speaker 1: he's gone through it this before. I've never dealt with

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Speaker 1: this before, with anything like like this, with the with

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Speaker 1: the race issue, to this level, with the you know,

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Speaker 1: people being sick. Obviously at home, a lot of people

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Speaker 1: don't even know where their next meal is coming from.

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Speaker 1: You've seen the lines out there for the food banks

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Speaker 1: and what have you. People at home, they don't even

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Speaker 1: know if they're gonna be able to pay their bills.

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Speaker 1: They don't know if they're gonna get picked it. They

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Speaker 1: have no idea. This is unprecedented times. And then we

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Speaker 1: have an administration who's pretending that it's not happening, who's

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Speaker 1: also trying to restrict voting rights and suppressed votes. This

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Speaker 1: is an imprecedent. The time I want to I want

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Speaker 1: to sit in my bed and not get out and

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Speaker 1: pull the covers up and you know, close the curtains,

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Speaker 1: but I can't. I've got to. Like you said, you

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Speaker 1: don't want to bring me down, but that that's the

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Speaker 1: responsibility I took on with this platform and I have

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Speaker 1: to bring it to people now. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: even more important. It's never been a more important time

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Speaker 1: to be a journalist in this country. And either you're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it right or wrong, and I hope I'm

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Speaker 1: doing it the right way. You're doing a great uh

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Speaker 1: your state. This is a statement that came from your people.

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Speaker 1: Americans in christ is right now. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: want to help but have no idea what to start.

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Speaker 1: In our new podcast, we're going to dig deep into

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Speaker 1: the reality of being black and brown in America and

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Speaker 1: explore what you can do to help find a path forward.

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Speaker 1: We have tough conversation with activists, thinkers, and leaders. I

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Speaker 1: but more importantly, we get to rebuild America together. Don.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to thank you for taking

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Speaker 1: the time to allow me to have on this conversation

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Speaker 1: with Don Lemon Okay allowed me to do this as well.

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Speaker 1: I know you've been trying to get me for a while,

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Speaker 1: and I had some scheduling issues, but I wanted to

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Speaker 1: make sure that I got on to speak with you,

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Speaker 1: and I really appreciate the opportunity to speak to you

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Speaker 1: and be safe. And I always know you gotta advocate

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Speaker 1: out here, man, and we're going to promote you and

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Speaker 1: keep you at the front lines of information and also

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Speaker 1: let you understand that your support group is very very strong. There. Haters,

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Speaker 1: but the line of lovers. When I say lovers, I

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Speaker 1: mean people. Advocate what you stand for, advocate your voice,

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Speaker 1: and up lift what you trying to do for us

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Speaker 1: every night on TV and on your very very successful podcast.

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Speaker 1: Silence is not an option. Keep going and keep dropping

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Speaker 1: them every Thursday. Okay, thank you very much, brother, I

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Speaker 1: Award winning artist, songwriter, producer, actress, and philanthropists. Well started

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Speaker 1: as a willpowered challenge in the vegan lifestyle has improved

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Speaker 1: people interested in transitioning to a vegan lifestyle. She has

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Speaker 1: celebrated twenty two years as an international known singer, songwriter, producer, dancer, choreographer, actor,

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Speaker 1: activist and philanthropists. She's on the show to Me Baby

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Speaker 1: helped me curb my bad eating habits because I can

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Speaker 1: tell you something. I will start every dinner with a

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Speaker 1: good old ice cream, a good old cookie, a good

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Speaker 1: old piece of dessert that has you know, milk and

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Speaker 1: eggs in it. She's inspired to make even like me

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Speaker 1: do better because she may have found the fountain of youth.

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Speaker 1: We also will talk about her role in the second

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Speaker 1: season of the popular Fifth War drama now streaming on

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Speaker 1: UMC Dot TV network. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations. Maya,

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00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: Hello there, how are you who? I had a lot

668
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Speaker 1: to say about you, Maya, for we got started up

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Speaker 1: a handful. That's what happens with when you've been out

670
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: there for tweeny two years, my friend. Well, really it

671
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: really is, you know, because you know, we all will

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00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: start out. I can. I can think back because I

673
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: started out at IBM. I was my degrees in mathematics,

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Speaker 1: and then I wanted to be a stand up comic

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Speaker 1: and I left ib under pursue a career as a

676
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Speaker 1: stand up comic, and you know those always it was

677
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: so far away where I wanted to beat it. In fact,

678
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: where I am right now. I didn't even see myself

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Speaker 1: being at this point. All I wanted to do was

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Speaker 1: just be successful. And at the age of eighteen, all

681
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: you wanted to be successful. Talk about those early years

682
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: of reaching that success, and then we'll talking about, you know,

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00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: finding yourself as to where you are right now today. Well,

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00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: I started out as a child of the arts, and

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Speaker 1: it's something that I just love to do. Outside of school,

686
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: of course, but I was also involved in gospel choir,

687
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 1: the orchestra, and the dance team at school, and those

688
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: were the highlights of my day because kids would come

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00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: together for a common goal, whether it was to compete

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00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: or perform or put something together ourselves the showcase, and

691
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: it was all of all great synergy, all common goal

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Speaker 1: and um about success. But we had to have discipline.

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Speaker 1: And so my early years from four years on four

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Speaker 1: years old on was shaped by the arts. But also

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Speaker 1: I come from a very musical and artistic family, so

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Speaker 1: I was always around it and always uh, I would say,

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Speaker 1: given examples of what to strive for and to be.

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Speaker 1: My father is a musician who inspired me greatly. Um

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Speaker 1: Ever since I could remember as a little girl, there

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Speaker 1: were always musicians in the living room or the garage

701
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 1: rehearsing for his gigs. He's been in the studio. I

702
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: had some early experiences in my childhood just go into

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Speaker 1: the studio to watch him record, watched him put out

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Speaker 1: Lionel and present himself on his own label, get his

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Speaker 1: songs on the radio regionally or locally, and hustle and grind,

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Speaker 1: so I've always looked up to my dad in that aspect.

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Speaker 1: But singing is just something in music is something that

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00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: I've always been involved in through the arts, but with

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Speaker 1: family ties as well. There was never a day without music.

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00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: So I just kind of fell into it. And the

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00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: record deal came first because I was initially going to

712
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Speaker 1: pursue Broadway, which was acting, singing, dancing, choreography, etcetera. Um,

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Speaker 1: So it just so happened the record deal came first,

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Speaker 1: and I still want to the theater passionately. Um. But yes,

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Speaker 1: it is a very competitive business. It does take a

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Speaker 1: lot of rehearsing, perfecting your craft and awesome business before

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00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: your art. Often in the field of business, you know,

718
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: it's all fun and games and shows to the viewer,

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Speaker 1: but there's so much legality involved just one thing, you know.

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Speaker 1: You know here you talk, you're absolutely right, the business

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Speaker 1: side pops up into the whole process. But I think

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Speaker 1: that my early years and as I went through is

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00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: trying to control my own destiny, you know, trying to

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Speaker 1: control my own depth and go to bed time. And

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00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: so that's the most frustrating thing I think when you

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Speaker 1: get into entertainment. It's because it's not like a regular

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Speaker 1: nine or five job. You know, you go to work

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Speaker 1: at nine, you get off in five, you go to sleep,

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Speaker 1: you wake up, you go to work at nine, you

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Speaker 1: go up the next day. Something you may have prepared

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Speaker 1: to do may not happen. It might not happen for

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Speaker 1: months because somebody changed it, or a record labeled clothes,

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Speaker 1: or the person you're gonna do it a duet with,

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Speaker 1: or the show with, or the role with the opted

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Speaker 1: out of it. So do you feel at this point

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Speaker 1: in your life you have more control of your life,

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Speaker 1: even though the success you had was so immediate and

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Speaker 1: so amazing at the age of eighteen. Well, it's something

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00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: that I've always loved, you know, backtracking regardless of the

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Speaker 1: business that has to be done. That's required in every

741
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Speaker 1: field or every profession, obviously, but that's never deterred me.

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Speaker 1: And that was my point. I'm still here, and I've

743
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Speaker 1: learned the business as an independent label, as an independent

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00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: artist that signs for her own label, I've had learn

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00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: the business, so now I have more value. It's not

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Speaker 1: just an artist, but a complete enterbrating that knows the roup.

747
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: And I'm still learning. You know, it's always a student,

748
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: but I've learned so much more on the business side

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00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: and it's actually inspired. Man. It made me more passionate

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Speaker 1: about music because now I have the freedom to do

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Speaker 1: whatever i'd like creatively, but also protect my art and

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00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: protect my heart. Uh So it's a great place to be,

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00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: especially now in the social media days. And nothing is

754
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: going to stop me because yes, um labels have definitely

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00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: transitioned and they've been through layoffs who are emerging with

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Speaker 1: each other as you see the airlines and many corporations

757
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: doing these days, because that's just the way of today.

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00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: Mound rising and obviously technology that's replaced the weather or

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00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: increased sales um to the old way means physical prapy

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00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: and record stores have closed off. Also, the transition from

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Speaker 1: my first album being on cassette tape for recording to

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00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: tape itself versus digital you know, from told or anything

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00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: like that. And here we are today doing albums on

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Speaker 1: laptop wherever you are in the world and mixing and

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00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: mess during on your own and then distributing it on

766
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: your own. There's so many new ways and it's very exciting.

767
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: So that transition with the times as well. On the

768
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: business front, but there's always something around the corner. Low

769
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Speaker 1: to learn a new act she has to be aware of.

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00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: It's hard, but it's great to have you back on

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00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: my show to talk about your wonderful career. Twenty two

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00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: years in the business you celebrated this year. Now when

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00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: you talk about that, your Planet nine, it's really amazing

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00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: that a lot of times when we see things that

775
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: we're doing as we get older, you really saw it

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00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: when we were younger. Were just taken because your father

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00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: was an independent guy who went out there, dropped his

778
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: own later did all of the recording. Was that an

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00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: inspiration for Planet nine? I wasn't even thinking about all

780
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Speaker 1: of that that I've witnessed when I created Planet nine,

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00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: but it's always been anything so subconsciously. I'm sure it

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00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: had a play when I released Well, when I was

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00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: recording my fourth album, the release date that pushed back

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Speaker 1: upon its release, and I was signed to Motown within

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00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: the Universal system at that time, and when it got

786
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: pushed back, accidentally released in the furthest territory of our globe,

787
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: which is Japan, which is like a day ahead, and

788
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: so there was leaked there and from there the album

789
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: leaked everywhere online, on YouTube, etcetera. And from now people

790
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: had it for free and that was a big financial

791
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: hit to the record label. Salvation of the album, and

792
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: my lawyers started that okay, technically out in the marketplace

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00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: right now, which means you can get your back end

794
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: advance if you take them the court, or you can

795
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: just leave that alone and go independent. So I didn't

796
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: feel like spending a year or a year and a

797
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: half or even funds um to try to get money,

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00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: you know, and I just moved on. And that's how

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00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: Planet nine was worth. Um. I started studying astronomy and

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00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: getting into a spiritual place and creating my own laws,

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00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: my own rules, my own timeline that didn't operate, you know,

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00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: with the time line that everyone else had enforced upon me. Us. Basically,

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00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: you were controlling your life, your destiny. That's what I'm

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00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, you're rolling my life, creating my

805
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: own world. And that own world was on the own planet.

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00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: And that's how Planet nine was born. Through the beginning

807
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: of my independent journey where I had to become everything

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00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: and I had to dictate everything, but also become my

809
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: own disciplinary and my own finance or my own bank manager. Lawyer,

810
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: whatever it took, and here I am. You know, in

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Speaker 1: the thirteenth year of my independent journey and nine independent projects. Now,

812
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, to go independent, you don't do this by yourself.

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00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that you had to have people around

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Speaker 1: you that understood your visit vision, that woke up or

815
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: awake when you needed them be awake and believed in

816
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: you and move forward. Well, did you have to reformulate

817
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: or create a new team when you decided to create

818
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: this level of independency for your own career and for

819
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Speaker 1: you personally? Well, I had already had my creative team,

820
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: meaning my musicians and dancers as well as engineers, etcetera,

821
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Speaker 1: and my own studio. In two thousand five, I moved

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Speaker 1: from California back home for my roots, to take care

823
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: of family, to start my non profit organization, and you know,

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00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: my brother built my studio for me. I became a

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00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: teacher and developed all the curriculum and the arts and

826
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: tech program the Maya Arts and Tech Foundation, And so

827
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: I did that for years at home prior to the

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00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: break in a split with my label Motown in two

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Speaker 1: thousand seven. So I already had a team that I

830
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: was touring with, but they were out of my hometown,

831
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: so it's not like family, and you know, that was

832
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: a great cushion to have because I needed them more

833
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: than ever and they also relied on me at the

834
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: same time, so we had the road, you know, and

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Speaker 1: that's how I grind it for years to fund my project.

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Speaker 1: And I still still do for all of my projects,

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00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: but at least there in place. But I was self managed,

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00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: and I had learned a lot, you know, doing independent

839
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: before I became independent to get my vision across when

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00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: I was you know, it was a major label and

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00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: friends and actually inspired me because in two thousand four

842
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: I saw him live and he inspired me to really

843
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: focus on building a pain w her I felt, you know,

844
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be hot skipping and jumping between artists, artists

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00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: with no passion but just the paycheck. And so that's

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00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: why I developed a team in my hometown. And you

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00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: know we're still rocking to her day and sounding great

848
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: at it. Um Maya. When you when you when you

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Speaker 1: look at because you're you know, when when I listen,

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00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: I listened artists, songwriter, producer, actors, philanthropists. Now let's transition

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Speaker 1: to the role that you've been playing for the last

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Speaker 1: two seasons on Fifth War. Greg Carter, who I've been

853
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,959
Speaker 1: knowing since nineteen eighty two. Jay Len, I've been knowing

854
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: her since nineteen eighty two, called Anthony uh and so's.

855
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: There's so many people on that show that I know.

856
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: How did you get involved and get the opportunity because

857
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: that's that shoots in Houston, Texas, and you already said

858
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 1: your base is watching the d C. How did Maya

859
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: get an opportunity or learned about the casting opportunities for

860
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: this series that shot in Houston called filth War. Well,

861
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: I have my own management company, He Entertainment, and basically

862
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: it's all over my website social media, and they've reached

863
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: that to my manager and I read the script. I

864
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: read the script and I was blown away. It kept

865
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: my attention. It was a one take read. I didn't

866
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: deter away from the script. They caught my attention and

867
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: it felt like real life and that we don't necessarily

868
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: often get to see on television. And I do have

869
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: ties with Fit for because that's where I recorded one

870
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: of my second independent projects, Beauty in the Streets Mixtape,

871
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: Volume one, and I met with Jay Prince and we

872
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: started doing business together and stuff and nine. Yeah, and

873
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: so I recorded the whole album out there and we

874
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: partnered up independently and pushed that out between Wrap a Lot,

875
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: Young Empire and Planet nine and so getting to in

876
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: that amount of time, but also teaming up with artists

877
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: from Houston, Texas all over that mixtape. You know, it

878
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: felt like the second home for a while. So any

879
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: favorite I'm I'm born in Rage. In fact, I was

880
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: born in by the way, Houston, Texas. Any favorite Eden

881
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: spots in Houston that you've learned in life. We actually

882
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: went to Popados quite off, I think it was I

883
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: think it was Joe Crab or crab Check or something

884
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: like that, way back when I was not vegan. Yes,

885
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: well you hit two up right there. But Papa Dope

886
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: come on that Papa Dope from there all the time. Yeah, yeah,

887
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, because you know, I wanted to transition

888
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: that that that food conversation that we've been having right now,

889
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: Papadose is not the place that. Now, when you went

890
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: to Popadose, what did you eat? Because you're vegan, so

891
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: and when you're walk in that restaurant, that's a good

892
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 1: starting point and you're vegan, you're going to a place,

893
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: a popular restaurant like Papadose. What what does Maya a

894
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: vegan eat? Well, I don't know because I haven't been

895
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: that since. But when I was not vegan, I was

896
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: having that you know, the card and the pros. Now,

897
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure I would have a salad and I would

898
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: have to take the cheese off you know, not me,

899
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: of course, and veganize it. But you know, I'm sure

900
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: they have broccoli or corn and on the side and

901
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: all the side dishes you can probably have without the butter,

902
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: right right, right, right now, let's let's go to this

903
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: book that may change my life because I'm I'm I'm

904
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: a sincere person. I'm the worst eating person that you

905
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 1: can come into because is the fact that I don't

906
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: follow the rules. I will eat ice cream when I

907
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: feel like it. I will either doughnut. I have christipy

908
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: cream on an app on my phone. By the way, Maya,

909
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: so just in case, I just want to find out

910
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: where if the lights on, so I can just drop

911
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: by day and pick me up a couple of donuts

912
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: and to milk. And so your book here, you know,

913
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: which began as as you say, well, begin as one

914
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: of my many willpower challenges in quickly evolved into a

915
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: permanent vegan lifestyle change through education and awareness. Now, when

916
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: you said willpower challenges, where the willpower challenges? This first

917
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: time I ever heard anybody say that will power challenges. Well,

918
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: I started eating will power challenges in two thousand seven

919
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: when I became independent, and I knew that I would

920
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: need to be agin to trust myself, but also master myself,

921
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: every part of myself, and become my own train of

922
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: nutritionists everything, because there was no longer the support or

923
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: budget there from a major label to do those things

924
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: for me, and so I had to become those things.

925
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: And in order for me to become those things, I

926
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: had to instill a discipline. So I would strip something

927
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: away from my life every year for three d sixty

928
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: five days, or do these crazy things like run a

929
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: marathon with no training twenty six two miles, or you

930
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: know these massa cliners attenday straight and no food, not

931
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: not missed in shape. Here. Now, you just said you

932
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: ran a marathon but no training. You just just up

933
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: and just start running, that's what you just said. I mean,

934
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: you're sill the training for eight months before you run

935
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: a twenty six point to mile marathon, and I had

936
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: two months to try to get it together because two

937
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: months Priday or I just just that I was going

938
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: to go ahead and run after ankle surgery because my

939
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: dactor told me not to, and I do that. I

940
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: could do it with my mind. And that year I

941
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: was vegetarian, but I put myself through pain. I also

942
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: conditioned myself with these types of things because I know

943
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: I'm going to need it in life. But I also

944
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: do a lot of stripping away of the things that

945
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: I do like because a lot of the things that

946
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: I like are not necessarily good for me. And so

947
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: if I can let go of the things that I

948
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 1: really like, then I won't overreact when something is stripped

949
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: away from me. So it's mental conditioning, really, and that

950
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: allows me to succeed. Also take blows a lot easier

951
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: and then start over again, you know, from nothing or

952
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: not knowing something, and become a student and remaining student.

953
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: And are these are a series of will Polo challenge? Well,

954
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: you just challenge yourself. Well you look at here and go, hey,

955
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this because I like that. I

956
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: like that's a that's a particular book for you. You

957
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: know that right. Maybe now we're gonna talk about this

958
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: other book that I'm reading here that you're giving away

959
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: for free, that you need to be charging people for,

960
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 1: you know obviously, well you know this is I want

961
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: people to have the information. And it's not quite a

962
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: book yet, but it's even start a guide. It it

963
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 1: called J. J. Smith selling like three million copies of

964
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 1: green smoothies and it's not even thicker than this. Okay,

965
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: but that's okay because I I am planning on I'm

966
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: going to be recording an audiobook for the guy, you

967
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: know people have people like to listen versus read sometimes

968
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: and will be available. But because I'm so passionate and

969
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: this information is everywhere, but people often ask me questions

970
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: about how to vive and why does it vegan? Uh,

971
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: this is two difficult. Can I go vegan on a budget?

972
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: Can I go vegan? If I have family members that

973
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: don't want to go vegan? How to like it? My

974
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: family go vegan? I wanted a place that people could

975
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: go to answer all these questions instead of me typing

976
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: teographs you know, on social media all day and I

977
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: just give them a link because I really do want

978
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: to offer this information that's free and available everywhere else,

979
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: and that's because I'm just passionate and it's done so

980
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: much for me and no secret really, but then needs

981
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: to be one place with all this information. So that's

982
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: how it started, and I usually use it as a

983
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: as a tool for the challenges that I do monthly

984
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: online help people further. You know what they like to do. Well,

985
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: you know the name of the show is Money Making Conversations, Maya. Okay,

986
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm just being consistent with you, now, Rushawn. This is

987
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: how I talk. Now, if I see an opportunity to

988
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: make money, I will and I will tell some money. Hey,

989
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: this is the money making an opportunity here. But of

990
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: course you you've told me. This is the work. This

991
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: is the show may being a student and becoming a

992
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: teacher otaneously. So I'm also learning while people are asking

993
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: me questions and so now it's propelling me into this space.

994
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: This is they doing our homework. I see a book

995
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: like this. First of all, it's informative. Secondly, we're in

996
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: the middle of a COVID nineteen pandemic, and when and

997
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: when the COVID ninteen pandemic head it obviously stated that

998
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: people of color black and brown are overtly affected by

999
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: COVID eighteen. I remember when the CDC announced in the Atlanta,

1000
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: Georgia william based it's an eight percent of the hospital

1001
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: cases for COVID eighteen the first week that they started

1002
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: making information public or African Americans. And then they turned around,

1003
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: they said, and then I started reading your book and

1004
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: you're saying that being a vegan can help, because you said,

1005
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: you state that you have seen countless suffer from the

1006
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: people you know, countless from diabetes, cancer, obesity, cloud Arteri's,

1007
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: high blood pressure, heart disease. This is all what's really

1008
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: basically either causing African Americans or people are colored to

1009
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: get sick or dying from COVID N eighteen has because

1010
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: of COVID eighteen has has has been a major push

1011
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: towards you to get information because you are an expert

1012
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: at this. And I brought you really on the show

1013
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: to talk about fear for but also talk about this

1014
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: whole vegan lifestyle, which can because we've always knowed that

1015
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: people of color have always been uh dramatically criticized for

1016
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: our eating habits. Well that is not our faults. And

1017
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: because of slavery, you know, black faults. We have had

1018
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: to basically take what is left over, the scraps and

1019
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: it remains, and make two with that. And that is

1020
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: where we're played with issues because we've been thinking out

1021
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: our our environment. Excuses me. We've been taken out of

1022
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: our environment, away from our natural fund like vitamin D,

1023
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: away from our natural foods, which is not accessible here

1024
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: in America unless you were already here as a native American.

1025
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: You know, my my grandmother was a chocolate American Indian,

1026
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: and so you know, there's been a lot of confusion

1027
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: about that too, but that's a whole other conversation. Anyhow,

1028
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: we don't have access. There are no longer living in nature,

1029
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: but no longer living near the equator. So we've been

1030
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: given things that our bodies are not made for. That's

1031
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: number one geographically and based on habitat, and so of

1032
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: course our bodies are wanting to react accordingly. If we're

1033
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: not in the sun as people like we need to

1034
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: be biologically speaking, and then we suffer as well. Our

1035
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: immune system is compromised. And so going back to nature

1036
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: and when I see vegan, that doesn't necessarily mean healthy,

1037
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: but that's the starting point plant based stuff because what's

1038
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: happening our food system and meat and particularly hive and

1039
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: Sta says, you know, process meat is ausing cancer and

1040
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: humans and a pets. You know, I've lost three animals

1041
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: to cancer, and I'm sure that your reason. So you

1042
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: have that factor, But then you also have everything and

1043
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: I mentioned regarding have an access and then you have

1044
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: economic issues where in the hood a liquor stores, you know,

1045
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: and markets and fast food restaurants not wholefoods. So we

1046
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: have a lot of things that are backwards but have

1047
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: been designed that way for us to fail. And then

1048
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: we also have habits that we've adopted not too long

1049
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: ago from slavery that are hard to break, you know,

1050
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: the white sugar and everything. But you have a but

1051
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: you have a particular plan here though Maya did and

1052
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: let me because you're your high profile, your celebrity, your

1053
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: star and star in the African American community. All right,

1054
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: how do we know I'm not saying it's not out there?

1055
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: And you know, Rushan, just coming to the tape, I've

1056
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: always been a fan of your brand. Just the first

1057
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: time I've heard the vegan side of your brand. How

1058
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: do we help get this information out there with you

1059
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: be in the face of it. How can I do that?

1060
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: Can Rushan McDonald help you? Well? The starter Guide is

1061
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: available at Maya Maya dot com, Forward Slash life Style,

1062
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: my social media pages Maya Planet nine, that's with the

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Speaker 1: number nine, and I conduct much challenges that everyone globally

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Speaker 1: can participate in. I have lots of incentives and send

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00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: you lots of goodies, including my free wine of Virtual

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00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: meeting Greek and sometimes when the world is open, I

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00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: do one on one time cook for the winners. Also,

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00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: We've gone on retreats in the past and I'm planning

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00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: on another one of course when COVID nineteen, etcetera is over.

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Speaker 1: But that's what you can do is just spread the words.

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Speaker 1: The startup guard unavailable. I'm not, but I'm not. May

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Speaker 1: I got by the social by the million social media follows.

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Speaker 1: Can I can I put your vegan start a kid

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Speaker 1: on my social media? You absolutely can? Wednesday, I have

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00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 1: a fan club list that goes out to ninety three

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00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: thousand fan club members. Can I drop it in there

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Speaker 1: with sure? So we got two things. I'm two for

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00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: two so far with Maya. Because you know, when I

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00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: when I look at this and said, what do vegans

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00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: eat fruit. That's me, fig that's me, vegetables, nuts, seeds. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know that I'm all up in that first part,

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00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: you know. So then they said what vegans don't eat

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00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: and they go into you know, land mammals. Kyle Lamb

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00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: goat pigs right there. Pig is pork ribs for me.

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: See that right there. That's when you start losing rashon

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00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: McDonald chicken and turkey. I had that this weekend. But

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Speaker 1: here's a good move. Here's a good move. You don't

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00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: have to give up anything that you already like, okay

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00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: to go vegan, because there's a plant based version now

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00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 1: available everywhere. But also you can make with the beings,

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00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: the nuts, the seeds, and some nice hour like spelled

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00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: flower or coconut flower, chicken chixie flowers, some alternatives to

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00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: the white flower. Its wild rice, just black rice that's

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00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: better for you, while super food ancient green that's better

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00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: for you than the white rice. So, like before, vegan

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00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily always mean healthy, because there's a lot of

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00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: jump food that's vegan. He said, vegan donuts, vegan fried

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: Did you say, did you say your food you food?

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Speaker 1: I've never heard vegan tied in the same things, a

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00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 1: whole lot of junk foods, vegan cakes, this, doughnuts. But

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00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: not to have a relationship here now, Mike, he said,

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00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: we're jump food and vegan at the same time. But

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00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: you can have vegan mac and cheese. You can have

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00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: vegan version of pollen greens, you can have vegan candy. Biams.

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00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: We're just replacing the animal fat based butter with a

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00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: vegan butter that's made from plants. It tastes exactly the

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00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: same act. Because I'm having a good time, I hope

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00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: you join this interview because I'm a good time. We

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00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: have a good questionality. But okay, now do you do

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Speaker 1: you have any videos who you cook stuff? I actually

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01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: did my very first virtual cooking session online last Saturday.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, it was sold out. It was sold out.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we'll stop stop too much, you too much? Now, okay, Now, okay,

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Speaker 1: you said online and you just so did you do

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Speaker 1: a zoom registration? What did you do? Yes? Okay, So

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Speaker 1: I am a member of a platform called Candy and

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01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: you can find them at meat Candy on Instagram. And

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Speaker 1: basically they sent out a letter news letter of flyer.

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Speaker 1: I also posted I invite people to come through the

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Speaker 1: virtual cooking session. There's a link Meet Candy dot com,

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Speaker 1: Forward slash Celebrities, Forward slash cook with Maya's how you

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Speaker 1: book your space. It's only exclusive and limited to twenty

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Speaker 1: people on the letter time, and so I give them

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Speaker 1: two weeks to sign up. And what I do is

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Speaker 1: craft a whole recipe as well as ingredients and tools

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Speaker 1: supply kit list. I just posted it. It's on my

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Speaker 1: Instagram page, but as my last post. But I sent

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Speaker 1: them all the ingredients that they get in advance. We

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Speaker 1: make an advertiser, a man course and a dessert live

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Speaker 1: together that they get all the stuff in advance so

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01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,560
Speaker 1: that they can go shopping and we can cook simultaneously together.

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Speaker 1: The first hour spent cooking and preparing everything, and then

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Speaker 1: we eat together for the next thirty minutes talking chop

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Speaker 1: it up. And then the last thirty minutes I spent

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Speaker 1: with the Q and A. Okay, I gotta slow you down,

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01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: you down, see not just see you and me. We're

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01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: gonna get along. I know we're gonna get along. We

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01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: gonna be our last call. It's not gonna be our

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01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: last call yet. Because of the fact that what you're

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01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: doing is a whole game. See you're looking at the

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01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 1: guy now who doing a pandemic. I actually plant it,

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Speaker 1: you know, sage and deal and halopenia peppers and made

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Speaker 1: us and in some pot flower pots in my backyard.

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Speaker 1: You know. So I'm leaning in that direction. And I

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01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: was stunned at the harvest that I get every day

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Speaker 1: from my backyard. I'm not ready for next year. I'm

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01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: ready for me some cucumbers. I'm really playing stuff for

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01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: next year. And so so what that mean? So I

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01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: hear you talking about now, I gotta ask this question

1150
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: not to be embarrassed, not just saying can you cook? Though?

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01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I put my foot in my food.

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01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: You don't even know what's vegan. Okay you're talking about

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01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 1: you're talking. I know you are. You know you can

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01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: overly embellish disability and stuff like telling you okay, I'm

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01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: telling you. All my friends they're like, oh my gosh,

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01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: this is good. My family who eats everything that I

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01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: don't eat anything. Because I just want you to social media.

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Speaker 1: I'm just changing this. I'm just changing this. I'm just

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01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: ching this right now, Mike. I just want you to

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Speaker 1: social media, Okay, you have a Twitter and you have

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Speaker 1: an Instagram. That's all I found on Twitter and Instagram.

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01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: I didn't see no pictures of food. I just seeing

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01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: the pictures you holding food. I just eating food, none

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01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: of that that and you and then you're gonna go. Then

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01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna go. I put my foot in it, and

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01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: this is what I do. Rashaan see, I'll see. That's

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01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 1: like you're talking smack to me, Maya, I don't talk smack.

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01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: I'll back it up. Okay, I am a walker, not

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01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: a talker. Okay, okay. I'll see a lot of good

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Speaker 1: looking photos of you. But I just don't see a

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01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: lot of good looking photos if you're eating or sitting

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Speaker 1: down at the table. Because you go to my website

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01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: at reshawna website, go to Rashan if you have time.

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01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: I'm now you're busy to go to at Rashwan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna see pas, you're gonna see food. You're gonna

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01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 1: get hungry looking at my timeline. I'm just gonna people

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01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: tell that. Go to my last post and swipe left

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Speaker 1: to speak what I mean to see all this goodness

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Speaker 1: and it's healthy and it's healthy because because see I'm

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01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna see like in my continuer every o Monday, I

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Speaker 1: draw all my recordings from my podcast Money Making Conversations,

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01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: and I've bring the fruit. I bring nuts, you know,

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01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: and I'm a little small jar. I have watermelon, I

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01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 1: have grapes, I have bananas with me and all that

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01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: good stuff. I hate some corn bread and a little

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01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: red every cupcake already, but you know I have to

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01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: deal like that. But you say, right here, dairy and

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01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: egg free pancakes and waffles, frenche toast and doughnuts, dairy

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Speaker 1: and egg free. You've made these. You made some good

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Speaker 1: tasting dairy free pancakes, Maya. Yes, you know why because

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Speaker 1: this plant based milk is on the coconut cash, sew, hemp,

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01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 1: and even oat milk. Oat milk is my favorite milk.

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Speaker 1: And so I used that because the dairy industry is

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Speaker 1: first of all cruel, but they also put antibiotics, steroids

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Speaker 1: all in it, and there's plenty of hormones, and it's

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Speaker 1: supposed to grow a baby task to five hundred pounds

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Speaker 1: in one year. And that's where our kids are getting

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01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: rested at nine years old, and all kinds of other

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Speaker 1: stuff and into the very cool industry when you really

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01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: understand what really happens behind closed tours. And so I

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01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: am spiritually and because of what I do know, which

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01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: most people are not taught. But also the it's that

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01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: it has on the human body. And there are plants

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01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 1: based alternatives which are much healthier for you and won't

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01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: lead to cancer. And for ex abstitute, there's all kinds

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Speaker 1: of except products that are egg free. You know, eggs

1207
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: have high cholesterol, and that's an egg problem in my

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01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: family activity and I want to avoid that and break

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Speaker 1: the generational course. But also that industry is full of

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Speaker 1: quality as well. And that's all let my start to God,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna say too much product? Well is that maya? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan. Now, okay, I've always been a fan,

1213
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: but I'm now you got me in the you know,

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Speaker 1: the side of the table. I'm sitting at the table

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Speaker 1: eating with you now here. Now, I would you go

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Speaker 1: to a little backstory, Rashan. I have a new office

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta, George. It has a fully built out kitchen. Okay.

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Speaker 1: And the reason I built that fully built out that kitchen,

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01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: which that you know, I'm I'm an award winning baker,

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Speaker 1: like I said, you go to add you'll see your

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: boy can throw down. You're talking about putting your foot

1222
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: all in it. I put my foot all in it too.

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01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: I can't dance like you, but I'll be I'll be

1224
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: turning my foot up in there too. Okay. So just

1225
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: to just throw a little smack talk back in your

1226
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: direction about what I can do. Okay, alright, alright, alright, alright, alright, okay.

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: So so when we when we get this calm down

1228
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: a little bit, when we feel comfortable with each other,

1229
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 1: and you you may be coming into Atlanta acting opportunities

1230
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: or you might be visiting. You gotta come by my office, okay,

1231
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: and so we can talk about this because you are

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Speaker 1: a walking talking TV show. You got the personally, a

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01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: beautiful person. And we're gonna cook. I'm gonna cook with

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01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: Sean Way and you might are gonna cook whole Way

1235
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see what's gonna go down. How about that?

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01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: Is that all right? Cool? I will hold you along.

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01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 1: I really I really appreciate you calling it on my show,

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01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation, Maya. And I'm serious. You're so talented

1239
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: and you're so wonderful. You and the things that you're

1240
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: doing in life, and we so need what you're talking

1241
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: about from a dietary standpoint. We as African Americans, we

1242
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: ask people of color have to change our eating habits.

1243
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: The pandemic has told us this. We've said this. We've

1244
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: always had that running joke in our community that we

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01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: have to eat better. We've always had running budoms that

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01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 1: we got, the sugars that you know, we old beast,

1247
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: we have clogging arteries, all these things. They're not jokes

1248
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: anymore because COVID Nateen is proven to beat the truth.

1249
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: And I want to thank you because I will support

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01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: you this week. If I'll go out on my mail

1251
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: in this this Wednesday, it will go on my social

1252
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: media this week because your brand is a very positive

1253
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: brand and I want to keep supporting this alright with you, Maya.

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01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, yes, and my support as well. How

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01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: can I support you further? All right? As long as

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01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 1: you just stop talking smack, Because until I eat something

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01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: that you eat, I'm gonna just tell you right now, Mike,

1258
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: you are just own the just oh she just she

1259
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: just talked smack. You. I have to eventually eat something

1260
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: or put me in that little soldier class that you did.

1261
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: And I can watch you do your thing and do

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01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 1: me a favor. Start putting more food on your social

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01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: media and all that, because we need to know you

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01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: got the founder you you're talking about. This makes you

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01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: look good. You're not mad at nobody anymore. Sauce. You've

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01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: been a vegan. You don't have depression because you're a vegan.

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Speaker 1: I need to see more food on your site, young lady. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all over my day by big time we talked soon.

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Speaker 1: My next guest, is the co founder and CEO of

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Speaker 1: the Women's National Football Conference the w n f C.

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Speaker 1: The Women's National Football Conference is the groundbreaking organization that

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Speaker 1: exists to create and foster and environment for female athletes

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Speaker 1: to sustain healthy lifestyles through playing, coaching, and participate in

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Speaker 1: American football at the highest level. Again, at the highest level.

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Speaker 1: The w n f C has over one thousand athletes

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Speaker 1: and coaches across seventeen stage, which makes up twenty teams

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Speaker 1: with thousands of fans. We're gonna turn that into millions.

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Speaker 1: The w n f C was started in twenty and

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Speaker 1: eighteen in order to bring the sport of women's tackle

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Speaker 1: tackle football, not touch, not love, not football to the masses,

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to money making conversation to co founder and

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Speaker 1: CEO of Women's National Football Conference, Odessa Odessa Jenkins. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: let's know. Okay, first of all, then let's talk. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about your name first, because I know, I know

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Speaker 1: you have a beautiful name. Oh that's a Jenkins. Wherever

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Speaker 1: you it's out like your uncle calling you, your your

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Speaker 1: daddy callor's girl. When did you get the name Odessa

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Speaker 1: Jenkins from? You know, that's my grandma. What's your name?

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Speaker 1: You know, name from the South? I am. I am.

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Speaker 1: I am actually born and raised in Los Angeles, California,

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Speaker 1: but I'm born to a Southern queen and the Southern kid.

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Speaker 1: My mother and father are both from uh my dad

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Speaker 1: from Pale Bluff, Arkansas, and my mom's little rock. I

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Speaker 1: have a Southern woman's name. My actual my pool name

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Speaker 1: is o death A Londale Jenkins. So I'm named after

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Speaker 1: both my paternal and paternal grandmothers. They have big planes

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Speaker 1: for death. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, it's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So so give us a little back. I know your

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Speaker 1: your former athlete and and so, but you know, athletes

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Speaker 1: get a bum wrap sometimes because they just they just

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Speaker 1: people just recognizing for their talent, their physical talent, and

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Speaker 1: we all know that's as a short window, a short window.

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Speaker 1: So you have to plan what the realistic path is

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Speaker 1: for long term financial success. And being that you're female,

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Speaker 1: sometimes the options are even more limited to try to

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Speaker 1: pursue your dreams. Talk about the athletics side of your

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Speaker 1: life going through high school into college. Sure, um, so,

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Speaker 1: as I said, I grew up in south central l A.

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Speaker 1: Sports have always been a tremendous park. I lived in

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Speaker 1: l A fifteen years. Well you wh do you wor

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Speaker 1: to high school? And what you call in south central

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Speaker 1: l A? Just for my list, So I grew up

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Speaker 1: on ninety nine in San Pedro my family, and that

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Speaker 1: was where I was pretty much raised. But my childhood

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Speaker 1: was at watch Um. I lived in the Jordan Downs,

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Speaker 1: I lived in the Nickinson Project. So my home church,

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Speaker 1: which is still at home Church today UH is on

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Speaker 1: a hundred and seventh in kal Maya, right in south

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Speaker 1: central LA. So when I say south central AF, where

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Speaker 1: I mean? Actually my mom worked outside of l A

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Speaker 1: in in Bellflowers, So I actually bust the school with

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Speaker 1: my mom. So after UH elementary school, when I went

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Speaker 1: to ninety ninth Street Elementary. Shoutout to nine nine Street

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Speaker 1: and Elementary. My mom busted me to school, so I

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Speaker 1: wrote a bus in the train to school from the

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Speaker 1: seventh grade until I graduated high school. So I never

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Speaker 1: went back to l A Unified after. Um, my elementary

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Speaker 1: school time start to become a part of your life,

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Speaker 1: you know. It was it was, it was. It was

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Speaker 1: huge for us because, um, growing up in the city,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of my family was, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: no shame in my game. My family was into a

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Speaker 1: lot of uh, you know, the drug trade and a

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Speaker 1: lot of violence. And there were a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: a lot of great people in our family, but there

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Speaker 1: was just a lot of stuff around us, and sports

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Speaker 1: was the one thing that kind of kept us away.

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Speaker 1: So I started becoming known around town as a girl

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Speaker 1: with the ball, whether it was a basketball or football

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Speaker 1: or volleyball or whatever. I just I just always wanted

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Speaker 1: to do something different. Um, it was. It was just

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Speaker 1: inside of me to to to want to compete. I

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Speaker 1: was competed it here and so I picked up a football.

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Speaker 1: My first sport was football. All the boys and cousins

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Speaker 1: of my family they allowed me to play as long

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Speaker 1: as you can ball, That's what they always told me.

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Speaker 1: As long as you can ball, now, I will let

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Speaker 1: you play. So I started playing, and I played football

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Speaker 1: up until the eighth grade. And a coach at the

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Speaker 1: time told me like, hey, yo, you're gonna if you

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Speaker 1: want to go to college, and I know you do, um,

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Speaker 1: and you want to get your college pay for it

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Speaker 1: through athletics, you need to play a girl's sport, um,

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Speaker 1: and you need to pick up basketball or something else.

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Speaker 1: And it broke my heart because I was pretty decent

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Speaker 1: football player and I'm small. Were you playing and what

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Speaker 1: kind of speed were you? Right? Sound like the whole time.

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Speaker 1: I don't like people be bragging about the pretty, pretty,

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Speaker 1: pretty decent football player. You know what was pretty decent, dope,

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Speaker 1: that's a pretty fat woman. Up into the eighth grade,

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Speaker 1: I was probably still averaging um a couple of TVs.

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01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,640
Speaker 1: A game probably was a buck fifteen the boys, So

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01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: I was putting up a hundred yards of game really even.

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Speaker 1: And up until the eighth grade, UM, there was never

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Speaker 1: I was never interested in playing against boys. So that

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people grow I was. I

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Speaker 1: always wanted to play against other girls. Um because obviously

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Speaker 1: once you get to the eighth grade, the boys start

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Speaker 1: getting bigger and stronger and faster, and it's like the

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Speaker 1: right and there, And so I always wanted to play

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Speaker 1: against the girls, but there was just no opportunity. Girls

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Speaker 1: football didn't exist. There was nobody, um that was making

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Speaker 1: that available. So I went on high school, play some basketball,

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Speaker 1: won a couple um district championships now in l A,

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Speaker 1: UM got the l A Times Player the year, started

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Speaker 1: to get recruited and I end up going to be

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Speaker 1: one with a school, a small v once called cal

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Speaker 1: Polly up in Sandwich and Bespo, California. M yep, start bawling.

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Speaker 1: At the time I went there, we hadn't won anything

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Speaker 1: yet and ended up ended up turning cal Poly into

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Speaker 1: a pretty good program, a pretty good winner out there

1442
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Speaker 1: in the Big West, one of Player of the Year

1443
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Speaker 1: a couple of years, and had a pretty decent college career.

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Speaker 1: So I was, um, you know, successful, But as soon

1445
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: as I graduated from college, I went to go find

1446
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: a football again. So um, it's always been the thing

1447
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: that I love. I love to compete, and I know

1448
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Speaker 1: you probably talked to a lot of athletes and entrepreneurs,

1449
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Speaker 1: but football is unique you gotta have a different level

1450
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Speaker 1: of team and compete to want to do this, uh

1451
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Speaker 1: for a long time. So let me tell you about

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Speaker 1: football sport. I could never play by the way, because

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Speaker 1: I see, I can't see. I can't look at somebody

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Speaker 1: who's gonna run at me as fast as I'm running

1455
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Speaker 1: towards them, and that there left the right. But they

1456
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Speaker 1: just want to stay dead on. See, that's a different

1457
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Speaker 1: mentality for me because you know what I like to

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Speaker 1: call it. Well, I'm just telling you boy coward. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm just tell you right now, Well, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: do that's I'm not gonna get on the football field

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Speaker 1: and know him that food coming at me is gonna

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Speaker 1: hurt me. You want me? Yeah, half abilities as a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, so so so, but before we get

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Speaker 1: into the league, you know, we're right in the midst

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Speaker 1: of a COVID and eighteen pandemic is affecting all sports.

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Speaker 1: And we saw ESPN basically get shut down basically because

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Speaker 1: they had no sports to cover spots. Fox Sports one

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Speaker 1: as well had no sports. So how has it impacted

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Speaker 1: And give me give me a fear for what? What

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Speaker 1: when does the league start? What's that window? For what

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Speaker 1: the league is. Yeah, so the league we played spring, right,

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Speaker 1: we planned Spring. The whole concept was to try and

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Speaker 1: not compete with major men sports, right, Um, So give

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Speaker 1: them in their their their platform that they've earned over

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Speaker 1: the last hundred years, and create something for when the

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Speaker 1: NFL faning or they frankly the NBA fan, the MLB fan,

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01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: whatever sports they're playing and looking for that next competitive thing.

1478
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: Sort of the same concept that the XFL and the

1479
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 1: a f L had, um. But we play April to

1480
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: ju So frankly, this last weekend would have been our

1481
01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 1: championship weekend. We've been going into our championship. We canceled

1482
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: our season in February, knowing are anticipating with COVID would

1483
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 1: do to the world, um, and knowing that we don't

1484
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: own facilities, right, we coordinate with high schools and colleges

1485
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 1: for our fields and that kind of stuff, and knowing

1486
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: that it would hit us hard. So frankly, it it

1487
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 1: hit us just as hard as it did everybody else.

1488
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: But one thing that it did do is it helped

1489
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 1: the world of sports carriers and content providers realize that

1490
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: there's different content out here in sports a k A

1491
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 1: women's football has some pretty exciting content to provide um

1492
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: if you point your camera head it so. And in

1493
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: a lot of cases people said that this has been

1494
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: detrimental to the business. In my case, I see it

1495
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: as a come up, as an opportunity, right um, as

1496
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,600
Speaker 1: an opportunity for us to bring our business to the

1497
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: masses and our sports to the masses. So this has

1498
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: been a win. I don't look at any thing is

1499
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: a loss. I look at it all as an opportunity.

1500
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: And this is a major opportunity for us to put

1501
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: the content in this football and for us from folks

1502
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: who wouldn't have normally look well, you know, I tell

1503
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: everybody that you know this whole year my brand money

1504
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: making conversations. I used the pandemic period to catch up.

1505
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: I thought from us, I caught a lot of my

1506
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: competition because the fact that you know, they when you

1507
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 1: when you launch your brand, you kind of behind everybody else.

1508
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: And so if the brand is stalled and you still

1509
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: have a plan to market and brand and promote and

1510
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: get your and and get in front of people, then

1511
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: guess what people will take notice because guess what, everybody

1512
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: else is stalled and their mind is very curious right

1513
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: now as to what else I can do to to

1514
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: entertain my brain because there's so much available time for

1515
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: me to be That's why Netflix blew up, you know,

1516
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 1: because everybody was sitting at the house. Everybody found Netflix.

1517
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: Netflix stock is like almost five hundred dollars because of

1518
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: the fact that people are trying to find information. That's

1519
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 1: why people watching Korean baseball, they're trying to find information.

1520
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: NASCAR ratings are up because of the fact that people

1521
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: can find information. How are you keeping your brand in

1522
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: the forefront or in front of our eyeballs? Yeah, there's

1523
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: a couple of things. So one I think we went

1524
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: we did one of the smartest things that we could

1525
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: ever do, and that's invest in some real PR, branding,

1526
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: marketing and content strategy. So um, we went and we

1527
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: went and signed up on this with this organization called

1528
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: Ice on Women, which is an amazing organization that helps

1529
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: women and startups get funding right um. And so through them,

1530
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: we were able to be awarded a grant for helping

1531
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 1: the world to reimagine sports. So Adidas um pump some

1532
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 1: resources and some funding into us, and with that we

1533
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 1: went in higher professional PR, which a lot of women

1534
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:56,680
Speaker 1: and sports don't have UM. We have focused on our

1535
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: head of branding and marketing to put more content out

1536
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: on social UM we'll be We're beating up our website

1537
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 1: and our web present and making content available to our

1538
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: users to go spread out. So that's those are the

1539
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: two biggest things that we're doing. Beautifying our content, so

1540
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: making it more alreadily available, prettier UM. And then we're

1541
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,839
Speaker 1: also investing in others that can go tell our story.

1542
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 1: But you bring up a great point of being able

1543
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: to catch up because those are things that we would

1544
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:31,440
Speaker 1: frankly never do UM were it not for COVID nightcing. Absolutely.

1545
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: You know, you know, when you're dealing with marketing, it's

1546
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 1: all it's all the competition and so and also the

1547
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,600
Speaker 1: bigger level of competition is like everybody has a you

1548
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: know McDonald's they have Hamburgers, Burger King has burgers, Five

1549
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 1: Guys has Hamburgers, and you know Tucking Fried Chicken as chicken,

1550
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: Popeyes as chicken, Chick fil A has Chicken. And so

1551
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: when those brands are out there ahead of you, then

1552
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: you have to figure out how do I separate and

1553
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: clearly define who I am. And so that's why I

1554
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 1: brought that up because of the fact that COVID and

1555
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: eighteen you can't see it as a disaster. This is

1556
01:24:03,400 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: a setback because we all want to be planned, we

1557
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: all want to be feeling the stands. We all want

1558
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: our brands before. But more importantly, now you're dealing with

1559
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: the details of death. You know about correct being very

1560
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: meticulous about what exactly the messaging you're trying to tell.

1561
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: What are you talking to you when you, when you,

1562
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: when I, when I talk like that? What are you

1563
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: telling your team, your marketing team? What's the over the

1564
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: the mandate right now? Yeah, the mathdate is alignment right

1565
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 1: that we are an organization that has a mix of

1566
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:41,400
Speaker 1: people and content that's about a purpose that everybody's kind

1567
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: of clamoring for. Um. The women in our league are

1568
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 1: of color. We have the story of adversity and triumph

1569
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: and everything we do because women's tackle football players don't

1570
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 1: get paid to play, So there's the story of triumph

1571
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: and and adversity that we tell tell we are women.

1572
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 1: Women are the fastest growing sports consumer on the planet.

1573
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: Tackle football will eventually surpass um soccer as the number

1574
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: one of sport on the planet. So the mandate is

1575
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 1: to go find brands, go find people that want to

1576
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,879
Speaker 1: tell this story that don't know we exist, and align

1577
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: with them, get sticky with them. Let them know that

1578
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: there are certain pieces of glue. Whether it be diversity inclusion,

1579
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: whether it be LBTQ communities will, whether it be how

1580
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 1: to speak, represent and inspire women. We have all of

1581
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: that and one organization that's packaged and ready to go.

1582
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: So that's the story we've been telling you our branding

1583
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 1: and our PR teams and frankly we're our for organization.

1584
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: It's like a group of women that are planning. Women

1585
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: tackle football are unique to the world. It's a sport

1586
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: that so many people said we couldn't do. So that's

1587
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: our story. We'll be right back with more from MARCHA

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to the co founder and CEO of the

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01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 1: Women's National Football Conference, the w NFC. It's a brand

1612
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: that there's new, uh, the COVID and a team that

1613
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: like we're all sporting events slowed the progress. But using

1614
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: her head and the team and getting the marketing machine together,

1615
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:26,480
Speaker 1: it allows just allowing her to get into the forefront

1616
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: or in the faces of people who are interested in

1617
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: a new version of what sport and entertainment can be

1618
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: brought to the table, and that is the w NFC.

1619
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: So right now we're just the twenty twenty one season prepping.

1620
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 1: Look like yes, so it's an exciting time we're actually

1621
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,240
Speaker 1: looking at it's what expansion looks like by trying to

1622
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 1: be smart and not moved too fast, but looking at

1623
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: other cities. There are a lot of other cities who

1624
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: want a team, a w NFC team because of what

1625
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: we represent. So that's that one. Just evaluating and and

1626
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: doing a mark research on what are the right cities

1627
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: for us to bring a team too, because there's might

1628
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 1: be existing teams out there already, there might be new

1629
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: markets that we need to expand to. So that's that's

1630
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: step one. Um Step two is bringing on investors right

1631
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: working on our investment strategy, who are the kind of

1632
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: people that we want to invest in the business. And

1633
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: step three is our TV deal. So how do we

1634
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: bring UM O t T to a content from an

1635
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,920
Speaker 1: over the air standpoint and a content from over the

1636
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 1: internet standpoint, So working with which partners we want to

1637
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: partner with um to bring our content to TV. We

1638
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 1: have a huge production investment going in for we're gonna

1639
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,520
Speaker 1: have ten games that are going to be professionally produced

1640
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 1: and trying to find the right medium to put those

1641
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 1: ten games on. And then last but definitely not least,

1642
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: a partnerships and sponsors. We are lucky enough right now

1643
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 1: to have an awesome sponsor and Adidas and another awesome

1644
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: sponsor in red L Sports. We were the first women's

1645
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:02,560
Speaker 1: tackle football league be sponsored by either of those global companies,

1646
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 1: and we're just looking for the next where they all

1647
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: the next Adidas to help take us to the next level. Okay,

1648
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: the word tackle football. Okay, let's talk about that right quick.

1649
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Because you know, I know where I can give me

1650
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: some basketball players. I know if I had started a

1651
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: baseball league, I could just bring some softball players from college. Okay,

1652
01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: they can probably ball a little bit smaller, but they

1653
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: can play professional base baseball. If I wanted to where

1654
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 1: do I get my tackling women? Where do I get

1655
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: my women? If I want to start a professional women's

1656
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: football league from everywhere? But frankly, are you holding like

1657
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: I got you? It's a it's a it's A. It's

1658
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 1: one of those if you build that, they would come.

1659
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: More women than you would ever know want to play football.

1660
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: So what we what we do is every team, every

1661
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 1: team and every city fills a has a trial. So

1662
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 1: we have like a national tryout day in the w

1663
01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:00,479
Speaker 1: NFC UM so every year on the same day, are

1664
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: around the same month, and this is going to be

1665
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: in November for this year, all of our teams are

1666
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,640
Speaker 1: going to start marketing triots. UM. So we do it

1667
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: on social we do it locally, we do it at gyms,

1668
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,000
Speaker 1: we do we go to high schools, we go to

1669
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 1: local universities. UM. I'm sure you've heard of now. Uh,

1670
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: women's flag football is technically a varsity sport for the

1671
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: first time in the history of the world. So we're

1672
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: working with those schools and n i A and the

1673
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: n AI to develop that. Where also working with the

1674
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: boys and Growth Club to develop a mechanism for building

1675
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 1: a pipeline that way. But really we just put it

1676
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,600
Speaker 1: out there and women show up from everywhere. We have

1677
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: former w w NBA players in our league, former women's

1678
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: professional soccer players, softball everywhere. But the way that it

1679
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: works is we generally have a call out for tryouts

1680
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: um A private some private and some public. We usually

1681
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: do some sort of recruiting mechanisms. So every team has

1682
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 1: a recruiting function where they're working locally to you who

1683
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 1: are the pro and semi pro female athletes in their city.

1684
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 1: So between that league wide tryout day and the private

1685
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:12,599
Speaker 1: and public UM city recruiting mechanisms, that's how we get

1686
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:15,680
Speaker 1: our women. And those trials are usually held at universities

1687
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 1: or our local high school. Okay, listen, I'm at your

1688
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: website right now. Fantastic website by the way, w NFC

1689
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: football dot com. Amazing website. Now let's let's let's talk

1690
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 1: about the branding and marketing, because you know, when women

1691
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: try to do something athletic in the field of football,

1692
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of our want I won't use

1693
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 1: the word sexes, but very you know, scatly clad football game,

1694
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: the puff football game, the flag It all led to

1695
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: skippy close and and non tackling sports. Now is that

1696
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,519
Speaker 1: is that? Is that a competition that you have to

1697
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 1: that a branding that you have to avoid a deal

1698
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: with that's maybe trampling into your approach of creating a

1699
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,759
Speaker 1: real football league of women really do tackle where women

1700
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: really do play. It absolutely is it's a it's a

1701
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: it's a it's a part of the it's a part

1702
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: of the world right selling sex, particularly sexualizing women and

1703
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: frankly sexualizing women, real women, real football, real real football. Correct.

1704
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:21,880
Speaker 1: And so that is a part that when you say

1705
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: women's football to most people, they think of lingerie, right

1706
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,560
Speaker 1: because it was, it was on TV, it had sponsors

1707
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,759
Speaker 1: that had those things. But women have been playing eleven

1708
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: on eleven, uh tackle football for seventy years. And the

1709
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 1: reason that it hasn't broken out like in sixteen months

1710
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: we have done in the w NFC would no other

1711
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,400
Speaker 1: leagues have done. And that's how the ability to get

1712
01:32:45,439 --> 01:32:49,040
Speaker 1: funding and do sponsorships. But it's absolutely in the way

1713
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 1: we have today. We have other leagues that are selling

1714
01:32:52,120 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 1: other things other than the sport and marketing the sport

1715
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:57,600
Speaker 1: and marketing in different ways. Now, let me tell you

1716
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm not a fool to it. Like I believe in

1717
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 1: the beauty of women, and I believe in selling what

1718
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: is all all parts of a woman. But I don't

1719
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 1: believe that my product at all has to be a

1720
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 1: sexualized product in order for people and take it seriously

1721
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: and that's the difference between me and some others. So,

1722
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: yeah's something I gotta fight against. But I'm a fighter.

1723
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:25,720
Speaker 1: I told you where I was from. I know exactly

1724
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 1: well better what more Jordan Garden. But if we if

1725
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 1: we had yeah, if we had somebody, we have that

1726
01:33:31,960 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 1: in front of us. But we're gonna overcome it, just

1727
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: like everybody else. It's just money making conversation. We talked

1728
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: about the the entrepreneur side, we talked about the balcony side,

1729
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: the brandy side. And you have to do your competition

1730
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: order to beat your competition, because that's where we're We're

1731
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: in the winning game. And this interview, and when I'm

1732
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: looking at the teams, you have the Pacific Conference of

1733
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: the Atlantic Conference. Now I know I'm from Houston, Texas,

1734
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: and I know Texas is big. Now you've got two teams,

1735
01:33:56,640 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: the Houston Heat and the Texas Elite Spark. Now I'm

1736
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 1: assuming to Houston Heat is in Houston, Texas. Where is

1737
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 1: the Texas Spartans located where they located there? They are

1738
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,719
Speaker 1: located in Dallas, Okay, So there's another rival between big

1739
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 1: d in h towns. Yes, I like that. I like that.

1740
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,719
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. Yeah, the technically Spartans,

1741
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: I actually, um, I own that team. And yeah, I'm

1742
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: talking to Jerry Jones. I'm talking to j You are,

1743
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: Yeah you are, you are the technically Spartans are the

1744
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: defending champion of the w NFC. How convey the founder? Yes,

1745
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: she owned wins. It's cold, um, but yeah that team,

1746
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,839
Speaker 1: that team is a is a gym and women's football.

1747
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 1: That team is hasn't lost the game, has been every

1748
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: top team in the country and is there they set

1749
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: They set the trend in women's tackle foot black. So yeah,

1750
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: pretty good team. Are you scaring those players up? There?

1751
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: Come the owner? You know you'll better get back and

1752
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:12,040
Speaker 1: ship you know from Nickers from Nickers, and she's gonna

1753
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: hurt you our congratulations congratulations and so oh you leave.

1754
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,519
Speaker 1: You need a little loving, might talk a little hurt,

1755
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: but you go, you go get your point across something

1756
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 1: that right now you better let them know. Absolutely. So

1757
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:34,520
Speaker 1: when when sponsors come into your brand, what are they expecting,

1758
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: because you know we all know that you need financial support. No, no,

1759
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: you know, no no league can exist, even the NFL.

1760
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 1: They don't have financial reward. They won't last. So what

1761
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:47,559
Speaker 1: does a sponsor expect from you when they sponsor your brand,

1762
01:35:48,680 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: and they they usually expect us to amplify a story

1763
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 1: or amplify a cause or a message the same way

1764
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 1: that they do with other lead Right, it's like, um,

1765
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 1: we want you to put our brand in front of women.

1766
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: We want you to put our brand in front of

1767
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 1: a certain audience that either we're not in front of

1768
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,400
Speaker 1: today or that we want to continue to be in

1769
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: front of. So usually our pitch is that we are

1770
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 1: women in sport, we are women in fitness, and we

1771
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,240
Speaker 1: are diverse. We are women of color, and we are

1772
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 1: women of l g B t Q backgrounds in a

1773
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:29,080
Speaker 1: lot of cases, but where mothers were sisters were consumers.

1774
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 1: So the thing that brands really love about us is

1775
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 1: that we can be flexible. Right, There's a lot of

1776
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: us were in um, you know, seventeen cities were national.

1777
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: That's always good. And then usually what's unique about a

1778
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 1: football team that isn't that you don't find in a

1779
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:49,639
Speaker 1: lot of other women's sports is that football players cannot

1780
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 1: look the same if your team wants to be successful. Right,

1781
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: So every football if every football player was five foot,

1782
01:36:58,680 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty pounds, your team's gonna get the

1783
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: tail whoof as exactly exactly, So our sport is super

1784
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: super unique and that women have to be from completely

1785
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:20,479
Speaker 1: different backgrounds um, socio economically, they have to look different.

1786
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: There's some women that are big that some women are small.

1787
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 1: So really we really do, in one sport have the

1788
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 1: total eclectic story of all women that we can tell.

1789
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: We can tell a story big women, little women, short women,

1790
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,759
Speaker 1: dog women, like women. And so it's a really unique

1791
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,559
Speaker 1: place that our sponsors find as a gold mine when

1792
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: it comes to content. Awesome, I love it. I love

1793
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,120
Speaker 1: it now. The reason I'll teach you earlier about being

1794
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: the owner and undefeated and the champion. Um, you came

1795
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: through the Bill Waller's NFL Diversity Coaching Fellowship program. Correct,

1796
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 1: and you also want the intern coach with the Atlanta Facton.

1797
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,799
Speaker 1: So so you've you've been UM as they say, coached

1798
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 1: up and the profession no men sports. How did that

1799
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:04,759
Speaker 1: help you? And you know with the with the women's

1800
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 1: in National Football League it was huge. Um you know

1801
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: actually was with the Falcons right before I started up

1802
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: that started to UM source a partner and investment for

1803
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,799
Speaker 1: the w NFC. So being um, you know Scott Poey,

1804
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 1: who was the general manager at the time of the

1805
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons, was a is a mentor of mine and

1806
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: is a huge influence of mind. Um and coach Quinn

1807
01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: and all of those guys in the Olympic. Yeah, they

1808
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:37,839
Speaker 1: they are. They are exceptional men, but also exceptional leaders

1809
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 1: and businessmen. And so I really learned a lot from

1810
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,640
Speaker 1: being in the room, Um, and being in that organization,

1811
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: about how to organize the sports business, what kind of

1812
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:50,719
Speaker 1: people you need to put around the business. Um. Because

1813
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 1: whether it was from coaches like Raheem Morris sitting down

1814
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 1: with me and teaching me the game, or whether it

1815
01:38:56,360 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: was you know, yeah that's a bad man. Uh, But

1816
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 1: the players, the players had a great deal of respect

1817
01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 1: for me, Um, DeVante Freeman, all those guys, and they

1818
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 1: they actually set me down and start and talk to me,

1819
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: and I talked to them about the business of the sports.

1820
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: So it was a huge influencer to me. Now my

1821
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 1: passion is women in sports. But they were all able

1822
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: to give me some some great building blocks on what

1823
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 1: I should do when I built out the w NFC.

1824
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: And the best advice that they gave me was stop

1825
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: making don't make promises that you can't keep and build

1826
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 1: it from the base to build a good base in well,

1827
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: you're fantastic. I'm talking to the co founder and UH

1828
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 1: co owner and coach of a team. She's managed by

1829
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 1: all female leadership brain trust over there at the w NFC.

1830
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: It features twenty teams playing a ten weeks spring session,

1831
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, broadcast on national television. Her team, she's the owner.

1832
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 1: She's like the Jerry Jones because her teams based in Dally.

1833
01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking to, the black female Jerry Jones

1834
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: right now. I want to thank you for coming on

1835
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 1: my show. You're fantastic. I love you energy. You know

1836
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,760
Speaker 1: your ability to be able to pivot and understand that

1837
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,600
Speaker 1: uh you know, COVID eighteen is not that everybody disappointment

1838
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Speaker 1: is not gonna destroy me and much success when when

1839
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 1: you when you when you get the league back up

1840
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: and running, please come back up. If you want to

1841
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 1: bring a player on with you, I want to support you. One.

1842
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: I got almost a million social media followers. Eighty percent

1843
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 1: of my followers are female. By the way, I wanna

1844
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 1: let you know, okay, and now, and so that's why

1845
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring you on the show. Now you

1846
01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: you're coming to the right man. Okay, I got the lady,

1847
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:39,719
Speaker 1: I got the ladies. Okay, everybody's got the ladies, definitely.

1848
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: Well that's a dickens. I wanna thank you for coming

1849
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: on my show. Okay, thank you so much for having me,

1850
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 1: and I'm honored that you tell us story and for

1851
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 1: all the women out there, go do what you do.

1852
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: I hope that this uh message of a woman, a

1853
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: black woman in football, is helping you realize and inspire

1854
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: you to go do something that somebody said you couldn't

1855
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:02,280
Speaker 1: go get go get a girl. Alrighty, I'll talk to

1856
01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,360
Speaker 1: you later and be in touch with me. Okay, since

1857
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: some banners anything you want me to promote, I'll support

1858
01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:09,720
Speaker 1: you on our social media. Okay, sure will. Thank you

1859
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,400
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Speaker 1: dot org Slash Radio. My next guest is an independent filmmaker.

1903
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Speaker 1: He's a graduate of the Texas A and M University

1904
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: and has produced over thirty featured films and several have

1905
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,679
Speaker 1: been featured at Sundance. Also, his movies have been distributed

1906
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Speaker 1: by Sony, Landscape, Want of Brothers, and Netflix, just to

1907
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 1: name a few. He's one of the Independent Spirit Award

1908
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,719
Speaker 1: and has been inducted into Texas Filmmakers Hall of Fame.

1909
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 1: He's on the show today to discuss his career and

1910
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Speaker 1: the second season The Fifth War. New episodes of Fifth

1911
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Speaker 1: Ward stream every Thursday through September three on UMC dot TV.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to money Making Conversations. My man Greg Carter,

1913
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, my brother Reshan. I'm so excited

1914
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Speaker 1: to be on the show. I got seven grade in induction.

1915
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta live up to that. Hey, you know,

1916
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 1: because we were both from Houston, Texas, and you're doing

1917
01:44:35,880 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 1: the show about I. I was born in the Fifth War.

1918
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: I lived there the first ten years of my life.

1919
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:46,639
Speaker 1: Russell and uh and and and and thirty fifteen Bain Street.

1920
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 1: It's it's the home that I lived in, a two

1921
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 1: bedroom shotgun house and had six sisters, two brothers. My

1922
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: father was a truck driver, my mom was My mother

1923
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: was to stay at home all and so. Uh. The

1924
01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 1: the whole concept of doing the show called Fifth War

1925
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 1: really really just touched home with me emotionally. Because I

1926
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 1: know that that was those first ten years were a

1927
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 1: very important part of my life. In fifth Ward is

1928
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 1: a community is like any neighborhood is an urban based,

1929
01:45:15,120 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 1: inter city neighborhood that's in Houston, Texas. Just to give

1930
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,439
Speaker 1: everybody who's listening the exact location of where this particular

1931
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 1: the community is and and it's one of the prominent

1932
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,759
Speaker 1: black communities in Houston, Texas. But you but this initially

1933
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: started out as a movie, correct this series, that is correct,

1934
01:45:32,280 --> 01:45:35,560
Speaker 1: That's correct. So years ago. I'm also from the neighborhood.

1935
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 1: So Forard, my my family at home church is on

1936
01:45:39,520 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 1: the corner of lying Uh and Uh and also my family,

1937
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,320
Speaker 1: I say, our family still limit over there. And so

1938
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 1: it was one of the things that was important to

1939
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 1: me when I started out. I was trying to tell

1940
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:57,719
Speaker 1: a story about the neighborhood based on the people I knew.

1941
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 1: And so back in I'm dating myself. I did the

1942
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:07,600
Speaker 1: first I did the first uh Uh movie and it

1943
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 1: had a lot of success. It went to the South

1944
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 1: by Software and a lot of film festivals, and then

1945
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 1: after that I ended up putting it writing a treatment

1946
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 1: for a TV show and I put it on the

1947
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 1: shelf and it was there, sat on the shelf about

1948
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 1: twenty years. And then later I got approached by UH

1949
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:30,120
Speaker 1: Angela Northington, who was the head of content over at

1950
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:34,479
Speaker 1: UMC at the time, also UH Sylvia George, who's the

1951
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 1: general management of net about the show. And I said, hey,

1952
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: I got this thing. I conducted obviously what happened and

1953
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:45,000
Speaker 1: when everybody got it, they truly enjoyed it. And that

1954
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: was the beginning of season one and we had a

1955
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:50,720
Speaker 1: successful season one. So then we came back for two. Now,

1956
01:46:50,760 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: when you do a show that hasn't emotion tied to it,

1957
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 1: because like I said, you grew up there. I grew

1958
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 1: up in there in that environment. Tell us about season one.

1959
01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 1: I know there was that there was a character change

1960
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:03,720
Speaker 1: for a major character chain for season two, and tell

1961
01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:07,519
Speaker 1: us about that and uh and also just putting together

1962
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:09,920
Speaker 1: a show. We know it's shot some of the scenes

1963
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:12,439
Speaker 1: are there are these shots within the community itself, all

1964
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 1: of them on set, No, all of all of the

1965
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:19,920
Speaker 1: show is primarily shot in Houston, Texas, UH and and

1966
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:23,040
Speaker 1: and the majority of those shots in Houston, Texas are

1967
01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 1: in the fifth ward. I wanted to have an authenticity,

1968
01:47:27,320 --> 01:47:30,880
Speaker 1: UH for the show to make sure that you know,

1969
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 1: I was quote unquote keeping it real uh at the

1970
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 1: end of the other thing. But yeah, we did had

1971
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:41,240
Speaker 1: a couple of changes. Our lead actor who played the

1972
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:45,639
Speaker 1: role of Ray Ray uh, he got cast into another

1973
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 1: TV show. And then we have another character who played

1974
01:47:49,200 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 1: the role of Robert Kennedy who's a police commander. He

1975
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: had schedules shooting, uh, schedule conflicts and he had to

1976
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:59,160
Speaker 1: and we and of course when you're shooting on a

1977
01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 1: time frame, the schedule, you just have to kind of

1978
01:48:01,960 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 1: go into it and get it done. So uh, you know,

1979
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,719
Speaker 1: you get me to the situation where uh you make

1980
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 1: the decisions that you can uh and then sacrifice what

1981
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:16,519
Speaker 1: you can you keep pressing forward, right, And like I said,

1982
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing negative. I was just telling people about the business,

1983
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: you know, Like I said, that's change happening, and you

1984
01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 1: have to move forward and and recast with the best

1985
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 1: person that's available to do that role. And you have

1986
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 1: a very talented, god so very talented people that you

1987
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,280
Speaker 1: brought on for the second season. And that's why I

1988
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:34,720
Speaker 1: wanted to let everybody know there are changes. And so

1989
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 1: if you're fans of the show and you've watched the

1990
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 1: premier episode because to my understanding, the episode has already

1991
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 1: aired and I'm supposed to be in that episode, right, sir,

1992
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:48,800
Speaker 1: That is correct? Correct? Uh So, so when you watch

1993
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 1: the show, if you haven't watched the show, what you're

1994
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: find is it's not just a narrative where characters who

1995
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 1: say dialogue. For me, it was important that the show itself, uh,

1996
01:49:00,160 --> 01:49:03,799
Speaker 1: not just my story, but the story of other voices

1997
01:49:04,120 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: that also know and love fifth Ward. So, uh, at

1998
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:12,000
Speaker 1: the beginning and the end of each episode, we have

1999
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 1: a small interview with someone from the neighborhood who gives

2000
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:22,920
Speaker 1: their experience about what made or what makes fift or special,

2001
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 1: and so we try to make sure that uh that

2002
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:32,519
Speaker 1: is uh something that that of course, I want to

2003
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 1: keep it engaged with the audience, but also let the

2004
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 1: audience know that there's more than just great card to

2005
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:41,320
Speaker 1: telling this story about Pickle, the neighborhoods that we love.

2006
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:44,719
Speaker 1: There's other people too that that angage in this story.

2007
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: And wow, you know, I know we were. I was

2008
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 1: all I flew into town. I remember a great call me, Richelle,

2009
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 1: I'd like you to take this. And it was more

2010
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:57,799
Speaker 1: of an opportunity to be a part of something special

2011
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 1: because I consider you're doing a p think about a

2012
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 1: very important community within a black community within Houston, Texas,

2013
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:07,840
Speaker 1: a community that was that I was born in, a

2014
01:50:07,960 --> 01:50:11,400
Speaker 1: community that I pride myself. I tell people from Fearforth

2015
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:13,960
Speaker 1: all the time. But then we see the fearlforth that

2016
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:18,240
Speaker 1: you and I were born in. It's changing and and

2017
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 1: as they say, the streets have gotten wider and white

2018
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:28,120
Speaker 1: people are moving in. It's true not just for Fifth War,

2019
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:32,560
Speaker 1: but it's also true for a lot of communities, uh

2020
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:37,879
Speaker 1: in the UH throughout the United States. And what happens

2021
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:41,000
Speaker 1: is is that you have these depressed home values, which

2022
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:45,840
Speaker 1: means these areas of right for uh gentrification. And what

2023
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:48,920
Speaker 1: gentrification is, if people don't know, it's a process of

2024
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:53,960
Speaker 1: where you're slowly uh moving I guess in the simplest

2025
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 1: way of moving the original residents out and culturally and

2026
01:50:57,760 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 1: sometimes uh uh racially changing the way the neighborhood is. UH.

2027
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 1: And so you know, for me, if you look at

2028
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: what's happening in Los Angeles where they're building build a

2029
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,720
Speaker 1: brand football stadium in the middle of the hood, are

2030
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:20,679
Speaker 1: we going tood right there? D That is correct? Happening

2031
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:24,360
Speaker 1: in Inglewood right now? Uh those you are listening, just

2032
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:26,839
Speaker 1: let me just even expand it. They're not only building

2033
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:31,000
Speaker 1: a stadium, they built a the train system to go

2034
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:34,759
Speaker 1: right up to it. So you know, they really vision

2035
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:37,320
Speaker 1: and they've tore up all of Crenshaw to put this

2036
01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 1: train line in this metro line. And so that's just

2037
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 1: you know, when they want to make a change, they

2038
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 1: can make a significant change. And when you do it,

2039
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,679
Speaker 1: change like that. It affected the black businesses that were

2040
01:51:49,680 --> 01:51:52,640
Speaker 1: along Crenshaw along the way, and so that's what a

2041
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 1: lot of people understand. It's for the good, but also

2042
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: who you heard and create this quote unquote good. And

2043
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 1: so that's what we really with in fifth Ward is

2044
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,080
Speaker 1: that you know, there are people who are being moved

2045
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 1: out for where are they being moved out too? Because

2046
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:08,240
Speaker 1: they can't afford to pay the taxes. Because that's why

2047
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:11,800
Speaker 1: they do it, because you are bringing these these better

2048
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:14,760
Speaker 1: property values. Guess what taxes go up? Now the person

2049
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:18,080
Speaker 1: across the street, they can't pay that new tax or that,

2050
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:20,640
Speaker 1: guess what, they are either forced into a homeless situation

2051
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:23,240
Speaker 1: or they have to move out a neighborhood. That and

2052
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:25,879
Speaker 1: that's all the neighborhood they know, and that's the tragic

2053
01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:30,760
Speaker 1: part about that process, isn't it right? Right? Absolutely? And

2054
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:36,080
Speaker 1: uh is happening in Seattle? Uh is happening? Uh? Like

2055
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 1: I was about to say, people who live in New York,

2056
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,920
Speaker 1: they just built a new basketball arena in Brooklyn. That

2057
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:45,920
Speaker 1: neighborhoods changing, so these it's happening nationwide and in the

2058
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:50,000
Speaker 1: last five or ten years is happening at an increasing pace.

2059
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 1: And so we have to fight for our neighborhoods and

2060
01:52:56,120 --> 01:53:00,000
Speaker 1: so that we can have and keep the cultural represents

2061
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 1: patition that made the neighborhood great because when the people

2062
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 1: come into these people come into the community, what time

2063
01:53:05,960 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 1: with that. That's okay, no worries there, but but we won't.

2064
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 1: We want the respect of the of the of the

2065
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,920
Speaker 1: neighborhood to be there. We want the culture of the

2066
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 1: neighborhood to stay, you know, we want all that to happen. Wow,

2067
01:53:22,200 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: now let's talk about this serious. Let's get back to say.

2068
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to get so social to forget that

2069
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:28,880
Speaker 1: I brought you in this show because you're not gonna

2070
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:31,559
Speaker 1: get to talking because we because you're in texted NM grad.

2071
01:53:31,560 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm a Universe Houston grad. So you know we were

2072
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 1: gotten out degrees. We you know, we have intelligence behind

2073
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 1: and not saying other people don't have intelligence, but we

2074
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 1: both from Fifth War and so we have a passion

2075
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 1: when we start talking about this. But this series, some

2076
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:47,679
Speaker 1: of the main characters Maya and my boy called Anthony

2077
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,719
Speaker 1: Payne and all my Gooding and Jayleen Mack talk about

2078
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:54,280
Speaker 1: putting the cast together like this. And if you don't

2079
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:56,840
Speaker 1: know Maya the former singer Seal, I shouldn't say farmer

2080
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 1: the singer Maya is one of the lead characters in

2081
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:03,080
Speaker 1: this particular problems. Gary sturgis bringing all that casting together.

2082
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:05,400
Speaker 1: My man called Anthon, who I love to death, and

2083
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,120
Speaker 1: Omar Gooding I should work with him on a Smart

2084
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,639
Speaker 1: Guy back in the day on w B, and so

2085
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,080
Speaker 1: I know who you're working with a Jayleen and Mac,

2086
01:54:13,400 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: she's a she's one of the most famous attorney slash

2087
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:21,959
Speaker 1: actresses in the game. Oh yeah, daily look days. Sometimes

2088
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,840
Speaker 1: I marvel how much Jaylen Mac does in a day.

2089
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:27,439
Speaker 1: I'm like daily, you think, or to day sometimes and

2090
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:29,680
Speaker 1: some people doing a whole month. I don't know how

2091
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:34,920
Speaker 1: you do the cast. Uh. You know, I'm the son

2092
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:37,760
Speaker 1: of a Methodist minister, and I feel like I was

2093
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 1: really blessed to have a cast such as Maya and

2094
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:46,680
Speaker 1: Gary and Karl, Anthony, pain Omar, original Ty Dorsey, Uh, Jayleen,

2095
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:50,120
Speaker 1: all those people. And there's so many terrific talented people

2096
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 1: who are from the Houston area, local actress to come in.

2097
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 1: And what I think it really was was that when

2098
01:54:57,320 --> 01:55:01,280
Speaker 1: people have opportunity to read the script, the first draft

2099
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 1: of the season one, episode one script, uh, people just

2100
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 1: drawn to the characters because you know, we don't really

2101
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:12,000
Speaker 1: have a lot of stories that are urban that are

2102
01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:15,120
Speaker 1: told from the perspective of, you know, residents in the

2103
01:55:15,120 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: neighborhood more. I think, somehow another we came to the

2104
01:55:17,960 --> 01:55:20,760
Speaker 1: conclusion that that was past. We wanted to be this,

2105
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 1: that and the other, but we cannot forget our forgotten

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Speaker 1: hope so that those people can thrive and do well.

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Speaker 1: And so, you know, the characters are written from a

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Speaker 1: things for the betterment, but he has his own way

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Speaker 1: of doing it. And so I think that's what I

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Speaker 1: uh we connected with uh with the understanding that you know,

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Speaker 1: when things are not the best way if they can be,

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Speaker 1: you know, you you can survive and you can make it.

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Speaker 1: But also show how people were move in and we've

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Speaker 1: through through life, maybe the way that uh, you didn't

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Speaker 1: do it, but maybe your grandparents did it, or your

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Speaker 1: mother and father did it. Because people are still doing

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Speaker 1: that today and I think it's important to bring a

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Speaker 1: spotlight to that journey. I'm talking to Greg Carter, director, creator, xactly, producer,

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Speaker 1: you know everything, he and it, he does it all.

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Speaker 1: That's what you do when you when you're when you're learning.

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Speaker 1: The reason the reason I'm saying that because I gotta

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Speaker 1: go back on us, but also if you want to

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Speaker 1: catch this serious fear for it's on UMC dot TV.

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Speaker 1: It's a is A is a streaming service and anywhere

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Speaker 1: you find Netflix and Hulu. You can find UMC dot

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Speaker 1: tv and just go to the site and find the

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Speaker 1: fifth Ward. This is a fantastic series. It's in this

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Speaker 1: second season. But let's go back in our journey, all

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Speaker 1: the way back to when I opened a comedy club,

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Speaker 1: hip hop comedy Stop, and when you was you know,

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Speaker 1: all I heard was Greg Carter, you gotta get the

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Speaker 1: bread card because you were doing all the music. You thought,

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Speaker 1: all the music videos in the city of Houston that time.

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Speaker 1: That's where you cut your teeth. And we met a

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Speaker 1: couple of times, but you know, but we didn't meet

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Speaker 1: enough because I was still trying to build my brand

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Speaker 1: and then eventually go back to l A and started

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Speaker 1: writing no sitcoms. But really it's always a journey and

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Speaker 1: you gotta start somewhere, and it started with you those

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Speaker 1: early years when rap took off with the ghetto boards

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Speaker 1: just just just put a put a face on the

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Speaker 1: city of Houston music scene, and you was right at

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Speaker 1: the heart of it. Greg. It was funny because us.

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Speaker 1: Uh So, when I went to college, I was studying

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Speaker 1: engineering and I had the chance to study I had

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Speaker 1: to take a couple of actives and uh and I

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Speaker 1: studied UH screenplay writing, and it was just so happened

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Speaker 1: that there was a gentleman by the name of Charles

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Speaker 1: gold On who was a guest lecturer at tech an M.

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Speaker 1: And once I had my first taste of writing and directing,

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Speaker 1: I was sold. I was like, yeah, this engineering degree

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Speaker 1: is not gonna be no good because I know what

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Speaker 1: I want to do now. So then from there and

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Speaker 1: I went to UH Rice University and I started taking

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Speaker 1: UH in the massive m f A program and started studying,

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Speaker 1: and so I knew when I came out that's what

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do, and it was gonna be a

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Speaker 1: situation where Okay, I can need to pack up a

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Speaker 1: go to UH, you know, to Los Angeles and New Yorkers,

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Speaker 1: I can try to do something. So I decided to

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Speaker 1: write my first script and then high myself to produce

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Speaker 1: and directed. And that was the eight cor in the

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Speaker 1: genesis of how things started. And I always tried to

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Speaker 1: look at UH, you know, everybody's journey being unique and different,

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Speaker 1: including my own. So you know, I didn't long for Okay,

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Speaker 1: I gotta go, I gotta go, I gotta get out

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Speaker 1: of it. I just because I at the time I

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Speaker 1: and I was just like, you know what I can

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Speaker 1: I can be a dad and do both. That proved

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Speaker 1: to be a little difficult, but you know, I still

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Speaker 1: I still know that, you know, with perseverance, you can

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Speaker 1: find success. And so I always thought that, you know,

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Speaker 1: once I got into the situation of actually trying to

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Speaker 1: make uh content and and and drive you know, we

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Speaker 1: call it content now, but I was shooting the movie.

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Speaker 1: I do that. I always had the movie. Know when

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Speaker 1: I started off doing the music video and everything else,

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Speaker 1: that the that the big prize was doing movies and TV.

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Speaker 1: And you know, fortunately for me, I was I was

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Speaker 1: at a time where it was a much more open

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Speaker 1: opportunity to do it. There was blockbuster videos everywhere, lots

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Speaker 1: of companies making content, uh and feel the shelves there,

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Speaker 1: and so I was just in a very unique situation.

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Speaker 1: And I feel blessed to do it. And now, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny because you look around some you know, fifteen

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Speaker 1: twenty five years later, whoa, I'm here. And so part

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Speaker 1: of what I tried to do as well is to

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Speaker 1: realize that my journey just ain't all about me, It's

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Speaker 1: about also helping people. So I also teach UH filmmaking

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Speaker 1: at the University of Houston UH in the Moment School

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Speaker 1: and also do UH also do different UH work with

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Speaker 1: jay You mentioned Jayleen Mac. I work with Mrs Jayleen Mac.

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Speaker 1: She has a program called Impact here they're working with kids.

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Speaker 1: So it's an important part of you know, just making

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Speaker 1: sure that your legacy, like what you do, is out there. Wow,

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Speaker 1: he's UH. He's the Independence one of the Independent Spirit Award.

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Speaker 1: He's been inducted into the Texas Filmmakers Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: He's on the show to talk about fifth ward as

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Speaker 1: serious as in the second season. You can reach it

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Speaker 1: like Hulu or Netflix, you can find it right there

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Speaker 1: as well. I want Greg wanna thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: on the show and thank you for putting me on

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Speaker 1: your show. And again I want to help promote And

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Speaker 1: this is just one project. I know when you have

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Speaker 1: a future project, we've connected because you know, when I

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Speaker 1: when I look at our relationship that we've had started

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Speaker 1: in Houston and we kind of like launched our careers simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: And I was as a comedian and I eventually came

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Speaker 1: up producer, writer and manager of talent, and and you

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Speaker 1: started out as an engineer. My degree was mathematics, so

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Speaker 1: we all started into the different action. But creativity overwhelmed

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Speaker 1: us and now we are content creators. Greg, thank you

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Speaker 1: the Light years of head team for over twelve years.

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Speaker 1: She is an expert in implementing solid PR programs for

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Speaker 1: clients and making long lasting impressions with the media. That's important.

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Speaker 1: Light Years Ahead as a boutique national PR agency spec

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Speaker 1: shalizing in lifestyle, personal health, tech, wellness, food, beauty, grooming, products, services,

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Speaker 1: and personalities. They have an office in Los Angeles, New York,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, where she is based in Dallas. She is

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Speaker 1: on the show to Day to talk about what else

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Speaker 1: the PR industry and how covid Nateen has affected their

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Speaker 1: agency and PR campaigns. Please work with the money making conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna calling my friend because I love her to death.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome Megan Bennett. Thank you so much for having

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Speaker 1: me on the show over Sean. I'm so excited to

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Speaker 1: be here. Okay, you in Kansas City, Kansas. That's barbecue country, correct,

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Speaker 1: that is right. We're barbecue central here. We've got gates,

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Speaker 1: we've got jack Stack, We've got we've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of barbecue plates here, and they're all good. They're all good.

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Speaker 1: I've I've been up there many times. Steve Harvey was

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Speaker 1: one of my clients. We should go up there and

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Speaker 1: do comedy concerts. Plus we are the radio station. We

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Speaker 1: would have to come up there periodically do a live

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Speaker 1: broadcasts and we had to eat boba. That was part

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Speaker 1: of the precres it. You have to come in because

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Speaker 1: at airports like fifty miles outside of town that a

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Speaker 1: coort is like in another state. Yeah, how did you

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Speaker 1: get in the PR industry? Public relations? Because people seem

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Speaker 1: like it's easy. First of all, because I get a

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Speaker 1: lot of people they put that on their car PR

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Speaker 1: public relations and and how did you get started in it?

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Speaker 1: I got started UM when I was in college. I

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Speaker 1: thought I wanted to do something in the entertainment industry.

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Speaker 1: So I went out and I interned in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: and I just happened upon a public relations firm which

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Speaker 1: was a celebrity public relations firm UM, and I found

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Speaker 1: it interesting and I got more internships and PR. But

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Speaker 1: then I realized that what I was really interested in

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Speaker 1: was not celebrities. It was more products, more personalities, experts UM.

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Speaker 1: And after doing a couple of internships, when I realized

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Speaker 1: what I didn't want to do. That's how I decided

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Speaker 1: what I did want to do, if that makes any sense.

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Speaker 1: Because lifestyle, because your your agency, lifestyle per health, tech, wellness,

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02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:06,600
Speaker 1: food and beauty, grooming, products, services and their personalities. So

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Speaker 1: you got the personalities part. You more owned on the

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02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:12,760
Speaker 1: product side, MR. I mean we we so when when

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02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:15,720
Speaker 1: I first started, we really only did products at my agency.

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02:07:15,880 --> 02:07:19,120
Speaker 1: And then as we kept going through the years, we

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02:07:19,160 --> 02:07:22,520
Speaker 1: started to talk to experts that had a product where

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02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:24,680
Speaker 1: they wanted to be the personality behind the brand. So

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02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 1: then we started to promote the founders behind the brand.

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02:07:27,800 --> 02:07:32,480
Speaker 1: And then we got into actually working with doctors, experts, meditations, specialists,

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02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:36,760
Speaker 1: all sorts of different people. So it's not as far

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02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:39,560
Speaker 1: as the celebrity goes, but like experts that are qualified

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02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:41,280
Speaker 1: in their field. We we work with them all the

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02:07:41,280 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 1: time and it's just so interesting. It's a very interesting category.

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02:07:44,680 --> 02:07:47,400
Speaker 1: Well it's as you put it in let's send the

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02:07:47,400 --> 02:07:49,600
Speaker 1: word magical world doctor and we the middle of the

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02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:53,760
Speaker 1: COVID and eighteen pandemic. I'm pretty sure you're pretty busy.

2330
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:57,200
Speaker 1: From a standpoint when I say busy are you? Is

2331
02:07:57,240 --> 02:08:01,400
Speaker 1: an interviewing and prints are just recognizing the talents and

2332
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:04,320
Speaker 1: then people know that you're you have a roster people

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02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:09,520
Speaker 1: can help provide information during these these times of crisis. Well,

2334
02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:12,320
Speaker 1: basically what we do is is we offer right now

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02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:15,040
Speaker 1: during COVID most of our clients are I mean, we

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02:08:15,120 --> 02:08:18,200
Speaker 1: have an two experts that are meditation experts and they provide,

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02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, tips to distress during quarantine. Um, you know,

2338
02:08:22,360 --> 02:08:25,320
Speaker 1: how to if you're going crazy with your kids, how

2339
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:27,520
Speaker 1: to stay calm. And then some of the brands that

2340
02:08:27,560 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 1: we work with are actually products like a thermometer that's

2341
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, no touch for at thermometer can sanitizers, things

2342
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:37,240
Speaker 1: that can really help during COVID, which you know, in

2343
02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:40,720
Speaker 1: our case, in our brand's case, is actually advantageous. Where

2344
02:08:41,160 --> 02:08:42,760
Speaker 1: you know, I feel bad because a lot of other

2345
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:47,360
Speaker 1: brands this is not a great time, which is totally understandable. Um,

2346
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:49,920
Speaker 1: but our job is to spend any brand to make

2347
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:52,880
Speaker 1: it so that people need it even during this time. Well,

2348
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm telling that that thermometer. Okay, I have a fan base,

2349
02:08:58,560 --> 02:09:02,400
Speaker 1: so I said, we the newsletter to ninety three thousand people.

2350
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:06,280
Speaker 1: I love to get an image of that thermoma to

2351
02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:09,360
Speaker 1: and the link in my news this week because that's

2352
02:09:09,480 --> 02:09:11,480
Speaker 1: that's that's because that's what I try to do on

2353
02:09:11,560 --> 02:09:15,400
Speaker 1: this show. Because a lot of the typical shows about

2354
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:19,240
Speaker 1: celebrity ism, you know, big names, my I feel that

2355
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:21,560
Speaker 1: people like you are the stars. You're the people behind

2356
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:23,960
Speaker 1: the machine. You know, you can have a pretty car

2357
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:26,080
Speaker 1: in the showroom, but if the engine is not right,

2358
02:09:26,200 --> 02:09:28,120
Speaker 1: it's not going to drop off that show on floor

2359
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:31,560
Speaker 1: and in people like you are the engines. And so

2360
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:34,280
Speaker 1: when you when you come on my show, you provide

2361
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:39,880
Speaker 1: information and also opportunities for me to give substantive information

2362
02:09:40,080 --> 02:09:42,720
Speaker 1: or products to my fan base. I'm not trying to

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02:09:42,720 --> 02:09:44,880
Speaker 1: get a discomplis. That's a product. I've never put that

2364
02:09:44,920 --> 02:09:47,080
Speaker 1: in my newsletter. So I love the baby put that

2365
02:09:47,080 --> 02:09:49,640
Speaker 1: in my newsletter and we get with the staff letter

2366
02:09:49,640 --> 02:09:54,600
Speaker 1: on to maybe make that happen. But love it. I

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02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:56,600
Speaker 1: would love it because when you're talking and I was

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02:09:56,600 --> 02:09:58,600
Speaker 1: talking to a friend of mine today, I was talking

2369
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 1: about when COVID first hit, are like everybody that I

2370
02:10:03,800 --> 02:10:06,720
Speaker 1: believes it was kind of like thrown off because they

2371
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:09,640
Speaker 1: came with all this information and don't wear a mask.

2372
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:12,800
Speaker 1: Wear a mask, you know, you go out in public,

2373
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 1: or make sure you wash your hands for twenty seconds

2374
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:18,400
Speaker 1: or so. I can remember going to home depot one

2375
02:10:18,440 --> 02:10:20,880
Speaker 1: time and I was stumbling. I had my I had

2376
02:10:20,920 --> 02:10:25,000
Speaker 1: my gloves, I had my sanitizer. I kind of had

2377
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:26,760
Speaker 1: a mask I kind of had to have. I had

2378
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:28,840
Speaker 1: a half ski mask. I had't even invested in the

2379
02:10:28,920 --> 02:10:31,560
Speaker 1: real mask yet I had a ski mask on. And

2380
02:10:31,600 --> 02:10:33,720
Speaker 1: so because it was still cold at that time, it

2381
02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:38,080
Speaker 1: was in March, and so I was uncomfortable. And so

2382
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:40,480
Speaker 1: when you talk about meditation, that's what you're talking about

2383
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:43,800
Speaker 1: people like me who was stressing and not knowing what

2384
02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:47,000
Speaker 1: to do and bringing this burden. Did you bring the

2385
02:10:47,080 --> 02:10:49,960
Speaker 1: illness to the house, or you you know, when you

2386
02:10:49,960 --> 02:10:52,360
Speaker 1: you know, when you're feeling bad, do you have the illness?

2387
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:55,200
Speaker 1: All these things can really send you to a state

2388
02:10:55,200 --> 02:10:57,720
Speaker 1: of depression. And that's what you have on your roster.

2389
02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:00,520
Speaker 1: These types of people are available to be able to

2390
02:11:00,520 --> 02:11:04,480
Speaker 1: assist people in at the time of emotional need exactly.

2391
02:11:04,680 --> 02:11:07,000
Speaker 1: And and like one does it through music. He's a

2392
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:11,320
Speaker 1: composer meditation expert, but he's pretty famous and he he

2393
02:11:11,400 --> 02:11:14,360
Speaker 1: does different you know, silent walks and these like mind

2394
02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:17,760
Speaker 1: travel meditations where you listen and you calm down. Like

2395
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:20,680
Speaker 1: we recently did one for media that was stressed out

2396
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:23,360
Speaker 1: because nobody thinks about the media, but the media is

2397
02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:26,160
Speaker 1: just as stressed as everybody else that's working because they

2398
02:11:26,160 --> 02:11:29,680
Speaker 1: have all the pressure on them to perform and you know,

2399
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:32,960
Speaker 1: to to show up and people are getting sick and

2400
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:34,800
Speaker 1: they want to make sure that they have the right information.

2401
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:40,120
Speaker 1: So they're like a very stressed out category as well. Um,

2402
02:11:40,160 --> 02:11:43,120
Speaker 1: which is interesting. Well, it's all interesting because we just

2403
02:11:43,160 --> 02:11:47,080
Speaker 1: talked about tech, which was thermometer. We talked about wellness,

2404
02:11:47,120 --> 02:11:50,680
Speaker 1: which is the which is these individuals who can help

2405
02:11:50,720 --> 02:11:53,760
Speaker 1: you through depression, help you stay calm, will help you

2406
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:56,960
Speaker 1: through these moments of crisis, emotional crisis. And then you

2407
02:11:57,000 --> 02:12:00,240
Speaker 1: have the food beauty and grooming products. Uh, you have

2408
02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:03,720
Speaker 1: something that we can discuss on the show today about. Well, yeah,

2409
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:05,920
Speaker 1: the thing with food, beauty and grooming is is that

2410
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:08,360
Speaker 1: even though everybody's going through this, people still't want to

2411
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:10,760
Speaker 1: buy stuff. You know, they still want to look good,

2412
02:12:10,760 --> 02:12:12,520
Speaker 1: They still want to do their nails, They still want

2413
02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:16,920
Speaker 1: to you know, get rid of their sales though, right, yes,

2414
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:19,640
Speaker 1: So everything now that we're promoting is like d I

2415
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:22,400
Speaker 1: Y SPOB beauty at home, which is great because all

2416
02:12:22,440 --> 02:12:26,520
Speaker 1: of our products are done at home. Anyways, Okay, you out, Okay,

2417
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:29,880
Speaker 1: I got I need some you know, I I need

2418
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:32,680
Speaker 1: some help. You know, I'm saying my face. You know,

2419
02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying that it's trying to stop the process. I'm

2420
02:12:35,520 --> 02:12:37,520
Speaker 1: not gonna go in there and do any plastic surgery.

2421
02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:40,600
Speaker 1: Do you have anything can help out this old face

2422
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:43,080
Speaker 1: of mine, this old male face of mine. Do you

2423
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:45,600
Speaker 1: have it? Well? You look great, but yes, percent we

2424
02:12:45,640 --> 02:12:48,080
Speaker 1: work with like a couple of different skincare brands, ones

2425
02:12:48,080 --> 02:12:51,240
Speaker 1: called my Shell Dermaceuticals, and they've been around for years.

2426
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:54,720
Speaker 1: There at Whole Foods and it's natural. They have some

2427
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:58,800
Speaker 1: great anti aging products. Um. We also work with kind

2428
02:12:58,800 --> 02:13:01,920
Speaker 1: of a crazy brand to it's called balls um you

2429
02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:05,760
Speaker 1: can look it up. And that's for men only, targeted

2430
02:13:05,800 --> 02:13:10,320
Speaker 1: for men um. And then we worked for some other

2431
02:13:10,360 --> 02:13:14,000
Speaker 1: brands to one it's called Oh Natural Skincare's from Australia,

2432
02:13:14,240 --> 02:13:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm starting, not Australia, from New Zealand and it's anti aging. UM.

2433
02:13:18,640 --> 02:13:21,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, in in the hall park all right there,

2434
02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:28,400
Speaker 1: balding aging, anti racol. I'm your customer. I'm a customer man.

2435
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:32,320
Speaker 1: Look at you up. They gook me up that you've

2436
02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:34,160
Speaker 1: got a lot of email links. You gotta send me.

2437
02:13:34,240 --> 02:13:36,760
Speaker 1: You gotta send me the ball you've done with you.

2438
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:39,280
Speaker 1: You're going to look thirty years. I guess well, I'm

2439
02:13:39,280 --> 02:13:41,240
Speaker 1: gonna be a post of child. I'm in your post child,

2440
02:13:41,320 --> 02:13:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, saying we're gonna go. I'm thinking it. Think

2441
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:46,080
Speaker 1: of his brother right here. This is a before. This

2442
02:13:46,120 --> 02:13:48,720
Speaker 1: is after. This is before the interview. This is after

2443
02:13:48,760 --> 02:13:52,760
Speaker 1: the interview, after all our products because because we're all

2444
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:56,840
Speaker 1: in a age of you know, because you know, because

2445
02:13:57,000 --> 02:14:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, we we don't live like our parents live, know,

2446
02:14:00,240 --> 02:14:04,120
Speaker 1: because we're not designed to retire. I know, my mentality

2447
02:14:04,200 --> 02:14:06,480
Speaker 1: is not set to retire because I have so many

2448
02:14:06,520 --> 02:14:09,120
Speaker 1: things I want to do and guess what, retirement money

2449
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:13,040
Speaker 1: won't let me do it. Okay, not just so security

2450
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:15,160
Speaker 1: plan and the Medicare plan won't let me do what

2451
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:18,240
Speaker 1: My dreams are still left in my head. And so

2452
02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:21,600
Speaker 1: that means that we are. If you're fifty, you're thinking

2453
02:14:21,640 --> 02:14:23,480
Speaker 1: like a forty year old, you're sixty, you're thinking like

2454
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:25,760
Speaker 1: a fifty year and so on and so on, and

2455
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:28,560
Speaker 1: so when you talk about these products, the popularity of

2456
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:30,960
Speaker 1: them are tied to the fact that people still want

2457
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,920
Speaker 1: to get out there. People will still look good people

2458
02:14:33,960 --> 02:14:36,440
Speaker 1: in any way they can can they can trick the clock.

2459
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:40,160
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to do it in a safe, comfortable way.

2460
02:14:40,240 --> 02:14:43,160
Speaker 1: And that's what you're talking about these products. Correct, Yes,

2461
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:45,400
Speaker 1: it's just an easy way to do it at home

2462
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:48,040
Speaker 1: without leaving your house, especially at a time like this

2463
02:14:48,160 --> 02:14:51,400
Speaker 1: when nobody can leave their house. Well, here's here's a's

2464
02:14:51,400 --> 02:14:53,600
Speaker 1: here's a tricky question. I gotta ask you here maybe

2465
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:56,480
Speaker 1: because it always throws me. Okay, what is the difference

2466
02:14:56,480 --> 02:15:02,400
Speaker 1: between PR and advertising? That is a great question, and

2467
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:05,480
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like most people don't understand that. My

2468
02:15:05,560 --> 02:15:08,440
Speaker 1: dad didn't even understand it until finally we have a

2469
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:11,960
Speaker 1: national nonprofit foundation my family does, and once I got

2470
02:15:11,960 --> 02:15:14,880
Speaker 1: them on the Today Show, then he understood because the

2471
02:15:14,960 --> 02:15:19,440
Speaker 1: donation started coming in. So basically, PR public relations is

2472
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:22,120
Speaker 1: different from advertising because when you do an ad, you

2473
02:15:22,200 --> 02:15:24,680
Speaker 1: pay a specific amount for one ad or for a

2474
02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:27,640
Speaker 1: series of ads. So you might pay three thousand dollars

2475
02:15:27,640 --> 02:15:30,680
Speaker 1: to have one ad in a top magazine that you

2476
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:34,040
Speaker 1: pay for that's guaranteed. Public relations is where you hire

2477
02:15:34,040 --> 02:15:36,720
Speaker 1: a publicist like me or whoever, and they're gonna go

2478
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:38,560
Speaker 1: out and they're going to pitch your brand to the

2479
02:15:38,720 --> 02:15:41,160
Speaker 1: editors and the media side, not the editor, not the

2480
02:15:41,200 --> 02:15:44,800
Speaker 1: advertising side, but the media the journalists that actually covered

2481
02:15:44,840 --> 02:15:47,720
Speaker 1: the brands and roundups, and then we get the products

2482
02:15:47,720 --> 02:15:50,400
Speaker 1: into their hands and they write about it with their

2483
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:54,680
Speaker 1: own opinions and an editorial, and so it's basically it's authentic.

2484
02:15:54,720 --> 02:15:58,080
Speaker 1: It's not paid. Whereas you might pay us a monthly retainer,

2485
02:15:58,760 --> 02:16:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, to do that for a month and get

2486
02:16:00,600 --> 02:16:03,720
Speaker 1: you ten to fift PR placements, you might pay the

2487
02:16:03,800 --> 02:16:07,000
Speaker 1: same amount for one paid ad that you know isn't

2488
02:16:07,240 --> 02:16:10,280
Speaker 1: done because the editor likes it, you know, it's done

2489
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:13,040
Speaker 1: because you've paid for because that's the difference. Yeah, and

2490
02:16:13,120 --> 02:16:16,680
Speaker 1: often times you don't even know who's listening, are watching

2491
02:16:16,720 --> 02:16:21,600
Speaker 1: it exactly exactly, So I mean, there's nothing better than

2492
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:25,280
Speaker 1: than getting an amazing editorial placement, like if you're you know,

2493
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:27,320
Speaker 1: getting something on the Today Show, like I said, with

2494
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:30,360
Speaker 1: this foundation, then they got over a hundred and fifty

2495
02:16:30,360 --> 02:16:33,720
Speaker 1: thou dollars of donations from one segment that we didn't

2496
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:35,520
Speaker 1: pay for. All we had to do was slide the

2497
02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:39,400
Speaker 1: veterans out to New York and it aired. And that

2498
02:16:39,480 --> 02:16:42,960
Speaker 1: was that you might pay to be on the Doctors,

2499
02:16:43,000 --> 02:16:45,000
Speaker 1: you know, a quarter of a million dollars for one

2500
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:48,800
Speaker 1: paid segment and get nothing from it. So it's just

2501
02:16:49,080 --> 02:16:51,879
Speaker 1: it's the value of PR is invaluable and it's a

2502
02:16:51,959 --> 02:16:55,400
Speaker 1: huge bang for your buck. Well, you know, I first

2503
02:16:55,400 --> 02:16:57,240
Speaker 1: of the call, because you hear a lot of terms

2504
02:16:57,280 --> 02:17:01,120
Speaker 1: called marketing, your branding. Branding is the high term nowadays

2505
02:17:01,879 --> 02:17:06,240
Speaker 1: when you're branding products, you're branding companies, you're branding individuals.

2506
02:17:06,720 --> 02:17:10,560
Speaker 1: Is that is that word abuse too much over us?

2507
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:14,920
Speaker 1: Too much branding? I mean, in PR, it's not because

2508
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:17,560
Speaker 1: we have people asking us all the time if we

2509
02:17:17,680 --> 02:17:20,720
Speaker 1: hire you what's the return on investment? Are we going

2510
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:22,640
Speaker 1: to get sales? Are we going to make money for this?

2511
02:17:22,720 --> 02:17:25,200
Speaker 1: And we always say, at least with PR, it is

2512
02:17:25,240 --> 02:17:28,320
Speaker 1: really more about branding. It's building brand awareness, and if

2513
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:31,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't drive sales, that's our job is not really

2514
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:33,880
Speaker 1: it's great to drive sales, but our job really is

2515
02:17:33,879 --> 02:17:37,400
Speaker 1: should drive brand awareness. So in PR, I think it's

2516
02:17:37,560 --> 02:17:39,760
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a word that we use

2517
02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:43,640
Speaker 1: frequently so that we don't get pigeonholed into becoming like

2518
02:17:43,680 --> 02:17:48,800
Speaker 1: a pay for play agency. Say, because because you said PR,

2519
02:17:49,360 --> 02:17:52,800
Speaker 1: PR is not a brand awareness it's not marketing though, right,

2520
02:17:53,800 --> 02:17:57,279
Speaker 1: I mean PR has public relations is a part of marketing.

2521
02:17:57,640 --> 02:18:01,320
Speaker 1: But our job as publicists to cate brand awareness, which

2522
02:18:01,560 --> 02:18:05,920
Speaker 1: sometimes can drive sales. Well, it's not guaranteed. Right. It's

2523
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:08,680
Speaker 1: really interesting because you are in that world because you know,

2524
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:12,280
Speaker 1: which the pandemic hit and everybody became you know, stay

2525
02:18:12,560 --> 02:18:15,600
Speaker 1: stay at home. That that dynamic kind of changed the

2526
02:18:15,640 --> 02:18:18,920
Speaker 1: whole approach because we saw advertisers shut down and the

2527
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:21,240
Speaker 1: second quarter and first quarter were the end of the

2528
02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:24,560
Speaker 1: first quarter. In all of second quarter advertisers, you saw

2529
02:18:24,640 --> 02:18:27,119
Speaker 1: live events started to be canceled, because they couldn't happen

2530
02:18:27,160 --> 02:18:30,040
Speaker 1: because of COVID. How did that affect the PR business?

2531
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:33,600
Speaker 1: I mean with the PR business, what we did is

2532
02:18:33,640 --> 02:18:37,040
Speaker 1: that we went out and tried to target entrepreneurs who

2533
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:40,520
Speaker 1: really didn't have the means to pay for advertising, but

2534
02:18:40,600 --> 02:18:43,440
Speaker 1: could have the budget for PR. So to us, we

2535
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:45,760
Speaker 1: kind of used it and said, all right, we're going

2536
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:47,720
Speaker 1: to try to get drum up more business and help

2537
02:18:47,800 --> 02:18:51,039
Speaker 1: these people that normally, you know, wouldn't be able to

2538
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:54,680
Speaker 1: spend for advertising. UM. So I think it was actually

2539
02:18:54,760 --> 02:18:57,640
Speaker 1: for us it did help because a lot of people

2540
02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:00,800
Speaker 1: really still wanted to continue. They just launched a brand

2541
02:19:00,840 --> 02:19:02,520
Speaker 1: and then COVID hit and they're thinking, well, what am

2542
02:19:02,560 --> 02:19:04,200
Speaker 1: I going to do now? I got to keep the

2543
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:07,840
Speaker 1: momentum going, and so that's where we came in. Um.

2544
02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:09,760
Speaker 1: But it's more just us getting our name out there

2545
02:19:09,800 --> 02:19:13,680
Speaker 1: and you know, making making ourselves known and branding ourselves,

2546
02:19:13,720 --> 02:19:15,480
Speaker 1: which is hard to do when you're busy with a

2547
02:19:15,480 --> 02:19:19,480
Speaker 1: bunch of clients. You know, absolutely, I'm talking to Megan Bennett,

2548
02:19:19,520 --> 02:19:23,120
Speaker 1: my fantastic friend from Kansas City. That's Barbecue Country for

2549
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:26,440
Speaker 1: those who don't travel that much. She's a CEO president

2550
02:19:26,440 --> 02:19:29,600
Speaker 1: of Light Years of head that the Light Years, a

2551
02:19:29,800 --> 02:19:34,200
Speaker 1: light that's named after the owner of the the founder, Yes,

2552
02:19:34,320 --> 02:19:36,440
Speaker 1: the founder of the company, Betty Light, who is my

2553
02:19:36,480 --> 02:19:39,199
Speaker 1: mentor and who worked with her for over eighteen years

2554
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:41,880
Speaker 1: and still working with her. Sod did you guys connected

2555
02:19:41,959 --> 02:19:45,480
Speaker 1: When you throw out the word mentor, so, I mean

2556
02:19:45,560 --> 02:19:49,000
Speaker 1: she is my mentor. So when I moved out to

2557
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:51,800
Speaker 1: Los Angeles after college, I started working at this internet

2558
02:19:51,800 --> 02:19:54,640
Speaker 1: company doing quote unquote public relations, but it ended up

2559
02:19:54,959 --> 02:19:58,200
Speaker 1: more being like a customer service shipping job. And so

2560
02:19:58,240 --> 02:20:01,279
Speaker 1: after six months from twenty two years gold and I'm like, Okay,

2561
02:20:01,480 --> 02:20:03,280
Speaker 1: this is not what I want to do. So I

2562
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:06,640
Speaker 1: started to apply for other jobs and I've reached out

2563
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:09,240
Speaker 1: through u c L a job track, and this lady

2564
02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:12,360
Speaker 1: interviews me for a job and it's Betty, and uh,

2565
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:16,200
Speaker 1: we just immediately clicked, and she called and she hired me.

2566
02:20:16,200 --> 02:20:20,280
Speaker 1: And she said, believe me, when you're done, you should

2567
02:20:20,280 --> 02:20:22,200
Speaker 1: be paying me for all the stuff that you're going

2568
02:20:22,280 --> 02:20:24,480
Speaker 1: to learn when you work for me, because it's like

2569
02:20:24,560 --> 02:20:26,800
Speaker 1: going back to college and getting like a huge education

2570
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:29,000
Speaker 1: in pr. I mean, I was thrown into the wolves

2571
02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:31,920
Speaker 1: right away, and within a month I felt terror and

2572
02:20:31,959 --> 02:20:34,800
Speaker 1: I had really learned so much that I just kept

2573
02:20:34,840 --> 02:20:38,039
Speaker 1: going and I've never stopped. And it's been I'm forty

2574
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:40,600
Speaker 1: one now and it's been the same job I've had

2575
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:43,600
Speaker 1: in the passion that I've had for you know, eighteen years,

2576
02:20:43,840 --> 02:20:45,800
Speaker 1: and I don't plan to ever stop doing it because

2577
02:20:45,800 --> 02:20:49,160
Speaker 1: I love it so much that you're a great talker.

2578
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're a very attractive person. I'm seeing

2579
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:54,200
Speaker 1: your your photos on the social media. Can't get away

2580
02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:56,560
Speaker 1: from seeing people you click a photo of LinkedIn accounts

2581
02:20:56,560 --> 02:20:59,920
Speaker 1: photo pops up. I know you gotta have the kind

2582
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:02,359
Speaker 1: have that photo, gotta have that look down pat nowadays.

2583
02:21:02,600 --> 02:21:04,120
Speaker 1: Why do you love it so much? You know, because

2584
02:21:04,120 --> 02:21:07,360
Speaker 1: of the fact that I enjoy communication. I my degree

2585
02:21:07,440 --> 02:21:10,400
Speaker 1: is in mathematics. I've done stand up, I've managed talent,

2586
02:21:10,600 --> 02:21:13,600
Speaker 1: and as you've managed talent that you're dealing with brands,

2587
02:21:13,640 --> 02:21:16,720
Speaker 1: you deal with marketing, dealing with crisis management. So there's

2588
02:21:16,840 --> 02:21:20,960
Speaker 1: so many things that you wake up too that can

2589
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:25,000
Speaker 1: change in an instant. Yeah, is that what you look about?

2590
02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:29,440
Speaker 1: It that that that that making people happy? So like

2591
02:21:29,879 --> 02:21:31,920
Speaker 1: for me, it is a high every day when I

2592
02:21:31,959 --> 02:21:34,879
Speaker 1: get up and I get my client on the Today's

2593
02:21:34,879 --> 02:21:39,200
Speaker 1: Shore Show or Real Simple or the doctors, or you know,

2594
02:21:39,320 --> 02:21:42,600
Speaker 1: just like when I get that placement and I generate

2595
02:21:42,680 --> 02:21:44,840
Speaker 1: interests and I pitched something and then the media says,

2596
02:21:44,879 --> 02:21:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, you're going to be on today. And then

2597
02:21:46,360 --> 02:21:49,440
Speaker 1: sending a placement to the clients and to these entrepreneurs

2598
02:21:49,440 --> 02:21:52,120
Speaker 1: and small businesses and seeing them light up and getting

2599
02:21:52,160 --> 02:21:54,920
Speaker 1: so excited that they're in Forbes. That is what makes

2600
02:21:54,959 --> 02:21:57,640
Speaker 1: me tick, you know, just like helping people and helping

2601
02:21:57,680 --> 02:22:00,320
Speaker 1: them build their brands and going from nothing to like

2602
02:22:00,400 --> 02:22:02,880
Speaker 1: a household name. I don't know, it's like a high

2603
02:22:02,879 --> 02:22:05,640
Speaker 1: for me. I can't explain it, but it's every day

2604
02:22:05,640 --> 02:22:07,560
Speaker 1: I get up and I'm excited to work because I

2605
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:09,440
Speaker 1: love what I do. Well, let's first of all, let's

2606
02:22:09,480 --> 02:22:12,440
Speaker 1: just explain everybody. What she just said is not easy.

2607
02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:15,039
Speaker 1: First of all, So there's a grind, and so it

2608
02:22:15,160 --> 02:22:18,720
Speaker 1: is your touchdown, it is your three point shot. Sometimes

2609
02:22:18,760 --> 02:22:21,480
Speaker 1: it is your championship moment when you're able to get

2610
02:22:22,120 --> 02:22:26,960
Speaker 1: a print article or high profile radio interview, on appearance

2611
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:29,720
Speaker 1: on a high profile local show or national show. Both

2612
02:22:29,720 --> 02:22:32,720
Speaker 1: of them can have their benefits if you're able to

2613
02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:35,520
Speaker 1: achieve it. And so because that's part of your brand,

2614
02:22:35,600 --> 02:22:38,400
Speaker 1: so the interesting. Is part about being a PR company.

2615
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:41,080
Speaker 1: You also have to be able to market your brand

2616
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:44,119
Speaker 1: so people can recognize your success story. So it's kind

2617
02:22:44,120 --> 02:22:47,320
Speaker 1: of like two things you're doing that your PR company,

2618
02:22:47,400 --> 02:22:50,039
Speaker 1: you do PR for me, but also you have to

2619
02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:54,760
Speaker 1: do PR for yourself. That's that's really and you get

2620
02:22:55,440 --> 02:22:57,640
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, that's one thing. I get rejected

2621
02:22:57,640 --> 02:23:00,160
Speaker 1: almost every day from somebody sending a nasty email that

2622
02:23:00,320 --> 02:23:02,320
Speaker 1: I just think it's hilarious at this point. I used

2623
02:23:02,360 --> 02:23:04,640
Speaker 1: to when I first started, I had to do it

2624
02:23:04,680 --> 02:23:06,320
Speaker 1: on the phone and people would hang up, and so

2625
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:08,400
Speaker 1: it just gave me a very thick skin. And now

2626
02:23:08,440 --> 02:23:12,680
Speaker 1: it's like, who's going to reject me today? Right? Right? Right?

2627
02:23:12,680 --> 02:23:16,520
Speaker 1: Because in in the end, you know that's the word

2628
02:23:16,680 --> 02:23:20,680
Speaker 1: is they can only say no exactly. But it also

2629
02:23:20,760 --> 02:23:24,119
Speaker 1: ties try again. But it's also tied to you building

2630
02:23:24,200 --> 02:23:27,680
Speaker 1: relationships so you'll be able to have a confidence zone

2631
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:29,879
Speaker 1: when you pick up that first Oh this is Megan, okay,

2632
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:33,040
Speaker 1: what you got okay? And they know you provide a

2633
02:23:33,160 --> 02:23:37,440
Speaker 1: certain type of uh content for their their showing the

2634
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:40,560
Speaker 1: radio show. So how was it? How difficult though? Is

2635
02:23:40,600 --> 02:23:44,080
Speaker 1: it even difficult to build those type of relationships? It

2636
02:23:44,320 --> 02:23:46,560
Speaker 1: is but I've been doing it for so long, and

2637
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:49,680
Speaker 1: just because my personality is sort of like I just

2638
02:23:49,720 --> 02:23:53,160
Speaker 1: don't I have a thick skin. I don't care if

2639
02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:55,800
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna reject me, and I'm nice to everybody, and

2640
02:23:55,840 --> 02:23:59,240
Speaker 1: so it's just worked. And I've built these relationships since

2641
02:23:59,280 --> 02:24:01,320
Speaker 1: I've in my twenty Even now, people reach out to

2642
02:24:01,320 --> 02:24:04,400
Speaker 1: me the media, they have stories. You know, they contacted me,

2643
02:24:04,520 --> 02:24:07,440
Speaker 1: which is awesome. So I love what you said I got.

2644
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:12,480
Speaker 1: I think it doesn't matter to me say no, But

2645
02:24:12,520 --> 02:24:14,959
Speaker 1: you didn't always have come on that? Come on now,

2646
02:24:15,360 --> 02:24:19,080
Speaker 1: you know you didn't always have the thick skid. You

2647
02:24:18,320 --> 02:24:22,160
Speaker 1: know you're you're at a certain time. People again, because

2648
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:24,920
Speaker 1: people call me and I go, I try to explain

2649
02:24:24,959 --> 02:24:27,560
Speaker 1: to them that's not me, and I did fit. You

2650
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:31,360
Speaker 1: just have to hang up, okay, yeah say click click

2651
02:24:31,400 --> 02:24:33,959
Speaker 1: click is the magic words sometimes and so but I

2652
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:38,600
Speaker 1: know that's not comfortable to hear click or you got

2653
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:42,320
Speaker 1: the wrong number, or that's not me. Click, So what

2654
02:24:42,320 --> 02:24:44,840
Speaker 1: what what got you? Pad? We talk? We people were

2655
02:24:44,879 --> 02:24:47,520
Speaker 1: listening who want to get in the PR business, who

2656
02:24:47,560 --> 02:24:50,600
Speaker 1: maybe the nose maybe winning right now in their lives,

2657
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:53,560
Speaker 1: their lives. How can they how can they overcome the

2658
02:24:53,640 --> 02:24:56,880
Speaker 1: no disaster in their lives. I mean, for every no,

2659
02:24:57,680 --> 02:24:59,760
Speaker 1: you're going to get it yes, So like I say,

2660
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:02,879
Speaker 1: for every rejection. And it was hard at the beginning

2661
02:25:02,879 --> 02:25:05,240
Speaker 1: when I first was like smiling and dialing on the phone.

2662
02:25:05,240 --> 02:25:08,440
Speaker 1: And then I mentor Betty. He was like, Megan, don't

2663
02:25:08,440 --> 02:25:11,000
Speaker 1: take it personal, Like this is not even your company.

2664
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:12,959
Speaker 1: You're just trying to do this. You do the best

2665
02:25:12,959 --> 02:25:15,360
Speaker 1: you can and if they don't like it, ask somebody else.

2666
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:18,280
Speaker 1: And that's what I do, Like you're happy to getting

2667
02:25:18,320 --> 02:25:26,360
Speaker 1: on the phone, Well, my god, yes, But you know what,

2668
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:29,520
Speaker 1: for every click, I'd make another twenty calls and I'd

2669
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:31,800
Speaker 1: get one that was interested in, say, sending me samples.

2670
02:25:31,840 --> 02:25:33,840
Speaker 1: So it's like, and I say this with the media too.

2671
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:36,240
Speaker 1: If you're trying to pitch your brand and you reach

2672
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:38,240
Speaker 1: out to one person at four but it says no,

2673
02:25:38,920 --> 02:25:40,920
Speaker 1: reach out to another person there. Or if they say

2674
02:25:40,959 --> 02:25:43,600
Speaker 1: no to one thing, pitch something else, because the no

2675
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:46,400
Speaker 1: can turn into a yes for something else. And that

2676
02:25:46,480 --> 02:25:49,039
Speaker 1: happens to me all the time. I might get somebody

2677
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:51,480
Speaker 1: that maybe the first says why are you reaching out

2678
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:54,120
Speaker 1: to me? I don't cover this topic, and instead of

2679
02:25:54,160 --> 02:25:56,120
Speaker 1: me is just being like, I'm sorry, Bob. I'll say

2680
02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but you know, since I have your ear,

2681
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:03,039
Speaker 1: do you cover this? And then sometimes they do? Now

2682
02:26:03,080 --> 02:26:06,600
Speaker 1: he's interesting. Now you know Light Years Ahead. That's the agency,

2683
02:26:06,840 --> 02:26:09,680
Speaker 1: the company that you're the CEO and president of. Been

2684
02:26:09,720 --> 02:26:15,080
Speaker 1: there twelve years. I don't know why I had twelve.

2685
02:26:15,160 --> 02:26:19,520
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, I see you're messing over your boy.

2686
02:26:20,120 --> 02:26:22,560
Speaker 1: We are supposed, we're supposed to have a relationship. Got

2687
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:25,480
Speaker 1: bad information in front of me, Like here, my next kist,

2688
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:29,120
Speaker 1: let me reintroduced, sir. Right now, my next kist is

2689
02:26:29,160 --> 02:26:32,080
Speaker 1: the CEO, last president of light Years Ahead. She's been

2690
02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:34,959
Speaker 1: part of light Years Ahead team for over eighteen years,

2691
02:26:36,000 --> 02:26:40,199
Speaker 1: teen years. She's an expert that implementing solid PR program

2692
02:26:40,480 --> 02:26:43,400
Speaker 1: and clients from different parts of this country. Now, you

2693
02:26:43,440 --> 02:26:47,200
Speaker 1: have an office in Los Angeles, New York, Kansas City,

2694
02:26:47,360 --> 02:26:50,000
Speaker 1: and Dallas. So that's east coast. I got Los Angeles,

2695
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:52,560
Speaker 1: that's West coast. That's Hollywood, New York that's the media

2696
02:26:52,640 --> 02:26:55,680
Speaker 1: capital of the world. Kansas City that's Midwest. I have

2697
02:26:55,800 --> 02:26:59,400
Speaker 1: to believe that's the Midwest zone. And then Dallas that's south.

2698
02:26:59,840 --> 02:27:04,200
Speaker 1: Is there a reason for these locations are usually wanted

2699
02:27:04,240 --> 02:27:08,160
Speaker 1: to move back to Kansas or just that's where you're from.

2700
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:10,720
Speaker 1: When I started, I'm from Kansas City. And then when

2701
02:27:10,760 --> 02:27:13,000
Speaker 1: I lived in l A for ten years and then

2702
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:15,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I got engaged and we decided, you

2703
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:17,280
Speaker 1: know what, this is the cost of living here is crazy.

2704
02:27:17,480 --> 02:27:20,360
Speaker 1: Let's move back to Kansas. We can do this from anywhere.

2705
02:27:20,720 --> 02:27:23,560
Speaker 1: So I moved back to Kansas. Are creative director who

2706
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:26,039
Speaker 1: was based in l A. She moved for Worth. My

2707
02:27:26,080 --> 02:27:29,840
Speaker 1: business partner has always been based in Manhattan. Chloe and

2708
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:32,640
Speaker 1: Betty's in Los Angeles, so we kind of are across

2709
02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:35,240
Speaker 1: the country now, which is great because we have our

2710
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:37,039
Speaker 1: fingers on the pulse of all the different trends in

2711
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:42,360
Speaker 1: the different regions in California. But you're happy, then, that's

2712
02:27:42,360 --> 02:27:45,880
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of this. Oh my gosh. Yes, you

2713
02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:48,600
Speaker 1: know you said someone who went back to Fort Worth area,

2714
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:51,160
Speaker 1: which is great. They wanted to be You wanted to

2715
02:27:51,160 --> 02:27:54,600
Speaker 1: be in Kansas, Kansas and the Kansas New York and

2716
02:27:54,920 --> 02:27:56,760
Speaker 1: New York. New York is my favorite city in the

2717
02:27:56,879 --> 02:27:59,160
Speaker 1: United States. I've lived in l A for fifteen years.

2718
02:27:59,560 --> 02:28:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm very for me. I'm Houston, Texas born and Brick

2719
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:05,080
Speaker 1: and so I'm vary familiar with Dallas, so each one

2720
02:28:05,080 --> 02:28:08,640
Speaker 1: of these I can understand how each one really is different,

2721
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:11,879
Speaker 1: but also how you can connect the dots between the two. Now,

2722
02:28:12,440 --> 02:28:14,640
Speaker 1: now when this is my question, like when you do

2723
02:28:14,840 --> 02:28:17,280
Speaker 1: like been, I've been a manager of talent that worked

2724
02:28:17,320 --> 02:28:20,800
Speaker 1: with a lot of different PR firms. Now on major

2725
02:28:20,879 --> 02:28:24,280
Speaker 1: TV shows, do you guys accompany the talent to the

2726
02:28:24,320 --> 02:28:27,959
Speaker 1: TV shows or the radio shows or you just have

2727
02:28:28,440 --> 02:28:31,480
Speaker 1: How does that work? Yeah, I mean when we do

2728
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:35,680
Speaker 1: segments with the doctors or segments in New York, Um,

2729
02:28:35,720 --> 02:28:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, we try to go as much as possible

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Speaker 1: And for regional yeah, I mean whenever I do segments

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Speaker 1: my friend, I really want to thank you for calling

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Speaker 1: Absolutely I can help you. Um playing a light years

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. It's been a blast. Alright.

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