1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Sports Radio tonight. 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: It's the Timberwolves getting eight and a half at the 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: Thunder Game five as the Oklahoma City Thunder tried to 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 2: close that series out Pacers. They're up three to one 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: as they beat the Knicks. And if there's something I 7 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 2: guess close to being a perfect game in basketball, Tyrese 8 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: Haliburton pretty close. Thirty two, fifteen, twelve rebound, zero turnovers. 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: That's a pretty good night. And he got his dad 10 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: back in the building, and Tyrese Haliburton after the win 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: talked about that. 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 3: I'm wondering if what went on with him, if that 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: was tough for you, and just if there were some 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 3: emotions about having him back in here tonight. 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 4: Uh emotions. 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 5: No. I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you guys. Here, 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 5: Like my dad is just fine, Like he lives just fine. 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 5: He's at the house watching the game in a beautiful home. 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 6: There's obviously a. 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 5: Lot of common terry around him, especially right after, which 21 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 5: I think some was warranted, some went too far. But 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 5: that's just sports, and that's just talking heads. I mean, 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 5: we I know, we're saying free pops and pops is free. 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 5: But he was not in jail. He happened to be 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 5: in a very beautiful home, same very pretty watching NBA basketball. 26 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 6: He's just fine. 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: Good for him. I like you, you know, and you 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: can tell the non watchers because you're getting a lot 29 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: of people now talking about Tyrese Haliburton. Is he a 30 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: top ten player? People who didn't watch him, didn't watch him. 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 2: Now you know he was in obscurity in college with 32 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: Sacramento and maybe with the Pacers you could say that 33 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: as well. Not big media markets. But if you're watching, 34 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: then you've noticed that Tyrese Haliburton is here to stay. 35 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: Very good player. Now you're going to get the comparisons 36 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 2: with Jalen Brunson. Feels like they're different types of players. 37 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: What one team needs from one guy, the other one 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: needs something different from the other. But it's a great 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: match up here and right now, Tyrese Haliburton has the 40 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: upper hand up three games to one. All right. Stat 41 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: of the Day has always brought to you by Panini America, 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: the official trading cards of the program. First Hour brought 43 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: to you by Rapid Radios, the official walkie talkie of 44 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: the show, Push to Talk Nationwide LTE coverage service, NOS subscriptions, 45 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: business owner, state connected with your employees anywhere. 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Does anybody know? 56 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: I wish it was a contract year for Tyrese Haliburton. 57 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: He's locked up. He's going to be fine. He signed 58 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: a five year, two hundred and forty four million dollar 59 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: deal about a little over a year ago. He was 60 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: making forty two million this year. Three years from now 61 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: he'll be making fifty five six, which oddly will make 62 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 3: him like the eighth highest paid player in the NBA. 63 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: But in three years and if his dad gets into 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: trouble again, he might have an even nicer house to 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: recline in while he watches his son. All right, so 66 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: it must be. 67 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 7: Crazy to go from like making I don't know, like 68 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 7: five million a year to forty five a year. 69 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: But that's a significant jump. Yeah, but has anybody had 70 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: a bigger salary jump in history than brock Perty? Then 71 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: he go from nine hundred thousand to what fifty or 72 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: something like that if you include you know, the guaranteed money. 73 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 7: That's like really like NFL players get paid in lottery tickets. 74 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 7: Here's a big chunk of money and then not much 75 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 7: if here's another big chunk of money and then not 76 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 7: much after that, Yeah. 77 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: Paul, Yeah, brock Perty in twenty twenty four made a 78 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: total nine and eighty five thousand dollars. Next year he'll 79 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: make at least forty one million dollars. 80 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a big pay race. That might 81 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: be the biggest all time. Yeah. That's where you go 82 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: into your accountant and then you go, h hey, my 83 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: tax returns just a little bit different this year. We're 84 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: gonna need some write offs here? Can you write off 85 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey or Trent Williams George Kittle? All right, so 86 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 2: let's poll question from the first down receipt. 87 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 7: Why don't we go with let's see more done, Nick's 88 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 7: Timberwolves neither. 89 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: You could also go Stars. 90 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 7: We could throw in there too. 91 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because aren't we three to one with 92 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: all of these series? 93 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 6: Yeah? 94 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 2: Does that sound right? Easily? Go Hurricanes nixt Stars, Timberwolves. 95 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 7: Hmmm, that's fun. 96 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: It feels like the tim Wolves are they're wobbling. I 97 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: the panthers are just they're too savvy. Stars against the Oilers. 98 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 2: You can't beat Leon dry Sidle and you know that. 99 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 2: Everyone knows that, I know. 100 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 3: Do you guys ever get confused with the panthers and 101 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: the hurricanes. Shouldn't the hurricanes be in Florida? 102 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: The panthers, Well, I don't know where panthers are. I 103 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: don't know if it's indigenous panthers are running around Florida 104 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: right now, but I don't know if they're in North 105 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: Carolina either, Yes, Marvin, but there's a lot. 106 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 8: Of hurricanes that come up more South Carolina or North. 107 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: Kebia too, So yeah, which you'd want to not have 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 3: that as your nickname because it's a natural catastrophe to the. 109 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 7: Region like Miami, right, Yeah, Todd, do you want to 110 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 7: give a breakdown of where panthers their natural habitat. 111 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: Is kind of like they're in the Everglades. They're just 112 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 4: kind of they're kind of deep in the woods at 113 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: that when it rains. 114 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: I guess. 115 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 4: The crocodile is an alligators they're in there. But the panthers, 116 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: you know, they sometimes they attack the alligators in their 117 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 4: indigenous to the Everglades region. 118 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 2: Do they spawn? 119 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 7: I guess would be one of those like safari hats, 120 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 7: like those jungle ones that like Steve. 121 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: What are those those pith moments? I think they're pif. 122 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 4: Yes, I think i'd look cute in one of ones. 123 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: But whatever, Yes, I gotta double check this, but I 124 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: think Todd nailed that. The panthers uh. The team is 125 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: named for the Florida panther and a dangerous species a 126 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 3: large cat uh, indigenous to the nearby Everglades region. 127 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: That's hilarious because I just thought of Everglades. 128 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 8: I didn't know what I was talking about. 129 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 4: Every once in a while, you stumble into one step 130 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 4: in step in this All right. 131 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: Well, you are the guy who graduated second in his 132 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: class of six. 133 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 4: Now how did you have to prove it? The Everglade 134 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 4: panthers of Florida. There you go, finally, did we learned 135 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: something every day, don't we? 136 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: Congratulations and get ready for this it's gonna happen. Let's 137 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: say the Pacers face the thunder. You're going to hear 138 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 2: from the non watchers. Oh, ratings are going to be terrible. Okay, 139 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: they might be down, but keep this in mind. The 140 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: NBA just signed eleven year how many billions of dollars 141 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: seventy six billion dollar TV deal? 142 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, eleven year, seventy six billion through the twenty thirty 143 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: five thirty six season. 144 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. Fine, okay, so you may take a hit with 145 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: the ratings, but you know you're going to rebound. I 146 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: don't know if they're taking money away. I don't know 147 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: what the deal is, but you know our network's going 148 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: to say, if we don't have a certain rating, then 149 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: we get money back. I don't know that, but you know, 150 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: for everybody who's going to say, and these are the 151 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: non watchers being like, ah, you know, the non watchers 152 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: always have an opinion on things. It's like and I 153 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: noticed this with a WNBA, with Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees. 154 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: Those are the non watchers who have opinions because those 155 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 2: who are watching don't have those opinions. It's all of 156 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: these other people who want to have like something deep 157 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: rooted in them that they want to get off their chest. 158 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: And they use Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese as sort 159 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: of the you know, launching pad for that. But the 160 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 2: non watchers, hey, don't. I mean, that's why you're a 161 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: non watcher. But you'll have an opinion on nobody's gonna 162 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: watch this. Okay, then don't. But I look forward to 163 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: if that's what it is. Pacers OKAC, one of those 164 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: teams gets its first NBA title, And imagine OKAC having 165 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 2: three of the greatest players of all time and not 166 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 2: being able to close out Golden State. So you have Durant, 167 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: Harden and Westbrook and you can't get to the NBA finals. Meanwhile, 168 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: you got Shay Gilgis, you got Chad Holmgren and a 169 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: couple of guys last name Williams, and you're going to 170 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 2: be going to the NBA Final and Dort Lou Dort. 171 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 4: Can't leave that to Dort. That's Pauli's guy. 172 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 8: What are you doing? 173 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: I can't, I won't, but thank you. Tod So phone 174 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: calls operator Tyler's sitting by eight seven to seven three 175 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: DP show. You know the whole tyrese Aliburton emergence here. 176 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: He was great in Sacramento. What did he go to 177 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: Iowa State? Does that sound right? So you know he 178 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 2: wasn't featured at any point and even when you watch him, 179 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: got a weird looking shot, but not afraid to take 180 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,359 Speaker 2: a big shot. We know that. And to have zero turnovers, 181 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: I mean that's what jumps out when you have the 182 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: ball and you don't turn the ball over, and the 183 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: Knicks certainly did. He's averaged around twenty per game, nearly 184 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: ten assists, and he also stretches the defense. He can 185 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: take a deep three, but you know, thirty two point 186 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: fifteen triple double, you're up three to one. And there 187 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: aren't just three great games, they're statement games. This isn't 188 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 2: about being a box score stuffer. It's what do you 189 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: need when you need it? And all step up. So 190 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: I don't think we look at him that he's on 191 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: the rise. Tyres Sliburton has arrived and he's a problem 192 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: to deal with. All right, we'll get phone calls here 193 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: all that smoke. Co host Stephen Jackson, I was on 194 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: the podcast I think earlier this year with him had 195 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. Quinn Buckner are the seventy six 196 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: Indiana Hoosiers. That's still the last team to go undefeated 197 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: in college basketball. 198 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty three. 199 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I don't think we're going to have a 200 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: team go undefeated ever again because you don't stay together. 201 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: You know, the Hoosiers had so Bob Knight's your coach. 202 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: You had Scott May, you had Kent Benson, you had Quinn. 203 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: You know, Dan Dakich was on that team. Abernathy I 204 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 2: think was on that team. Dy who was the other guard, 205 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: Bobby drafted by the Kent Bobby Wilkerson drafted by the Cabs, 206 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: I believe. But yeah, Quinn was the point guard for 207 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 2: that team that went undefeated. Also played for the Celtics 208 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: and want to ring there, Yes, Marvin. 209 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 7: He's got a couple of great stories in Celtic City, 210 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 7: the documentary that came out. 211 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 6: He was awesome in there. 212 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 2: I did not really as he played for the Celtics 213 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: in eighty four. Yeah. Yeah, well we'll ask him some 214 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: of those storiess. Yeah, okay, yes, Paul. 215 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 3: How many times did UCLA in the sixties going to 216 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: feed like three or four times? Was it something like that? 217 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: Uh? Probably more than that. 218 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 3: What a throwaway like Indiana gets a ton of credit 219 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 3: for being the last undefeated team, as they should. But 220 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 3: it's like Ucille did it. I've got them doing it 221 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: four different times, just in the sixties. 222 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, Kareem couldn't play his freshman year, 223 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: but the freshman team beat the varsity team that won 224 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: the national championship, just to give you an idea of 225 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: how dominating they were. 226 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 4: So UCLA wasn't the best team on their campus. 227 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: No, No, the freshman team was. 228 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 8: Yeah. 229 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: Back then, you know they had freshman team because you 230 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 2: weren't eligible to play varsity. They wanted you get to 231 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 2: get acclimated to college life. Now you're only playing your 232 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 2: freshman year and you're not getting act clamated to college life. Yes, Paul, 233 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 2: the last. 234 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: Three teams to go into the nca Tournament undefeated, I 235 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 3: gotta double check this. The fourteen to fifteen Kentucky team. 236 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: They went thirty eight to one. I think they lost Wisconsin. 237 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: Wichita State was thirty five and one in thirteen fourteen, 238 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 3: and of course UNLV ninety ninety one. They finished season 239 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 3: thirty four and one, lost a duke in the final. 240 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: Four Okay, so the Oilers up three to one on 241 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: the Stars Panthers Hurricanes. That's Game five, that's coming up 242 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: tonight some baseball news show. Heyo Tani his twentieth home 243 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: run and starting to do a little more work pitching wise, 244 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: the best record in baseball belongs to. 245 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 9: Two. 246 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: They Detroit Tigers. Yeah, they Detroit Tigers. Congratulations to A. 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You buy 284 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: into that. 285 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 11: What's up, Dan? Thanks for having me. No, I don't 286 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 11: buy into it, you know, I will say that everybody's 287 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 11: not built for those moments. I know a lot of 288 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 11: guys I played with and played against that were great 289 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 11: shooters that made shots first three quarters, fourth quarter, big games, 290 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 11: in playoffs, they couldn't fall. You know, I started some 291 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 11: Dan They said, I make love depression. I love those moments, 292 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 11: love being against those who being in those big, old crowds. 293 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 11: So but everybody can't do it, and sometimes people do 294 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 11: get rabble. 295 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: How do you explain Halliburton. 296 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 6: IQ? 297 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 11: I think his whole success is being a student of 298 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 11: the game and understanding the game. To have thirty seven points, 299 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 11: ten rebounds of fifteen assists with no turnovers for like 300 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 11: the sixth time, that's all IQ. 301 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 6: You have to be your brain. 302 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 11: And the way you're thinking the game is so ahead 303 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 11: of the guys around you and the guys you're playing 304 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 11: against that the players you're making are just so ahead 305 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 11: that that's why he's not getting turned over. So I 306 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 11: just think his hot IQ, and it's not surprising that 307 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 11: it's IQ is so high because my personal opinion, and 308 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 11: I really stand on this, POP is the greatest coach 309 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 11: I played for, But the highest IQ than the smartest 310 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 11: coach I played for is definitely Rick, carlile X and 311 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 11: Os is not even close. 312 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 2: Okay, but give us a for instance, like how do 313 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: you come up or come to that conclusion? 314 00:15:58,800 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 6: Perfect example. 315 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 11: These days, as you know, the offense is created through 316 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 11: a lot of handoffs, passes and comings, passes and screens, 317 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 11: and normally it's the point guard to the guard, the 318 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 11: point guard gets it back and gets the screen from 319 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 11: the big man. Well, Rick put a wrinkle in in 320 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 11: the time out in New York for for Game one, 321 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 11: Halliburn brought it up full court and instead of throwing 322 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 11: it to the guard and getting the pick, he threw 323 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 11: it to the big man. The guard picked and he 324 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 11: ran off, got to run his start and got it. 325 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 11: Was an easy layup for the big man. But that 326 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 11: was just a wrinkle Rick put in at a time 327 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 11: out that the Knicks wasn't prepared for, and it got 328 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 11: Hi an easy shot out of time out. 329 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've known Rick Gosh probably forty years when he 330 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: was playing in college and then you know, of course 331 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: he was with the Celtics, and you know, I know, 332 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: we don't like to say this, somebody got out coached. 333 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: Does it happen? How often does it happen? At this level? 334 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: Where somebody is getting out coach. 335 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 11: It happens a lot, but it really gets magnified in 336 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 11: the postseason because each possession counts in each game. It's 337 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 11: about making adjustments. I really seen it when we got 338 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 11: into the brawl and I missed half the season and 339 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 11: Raw missed the whole season. We came back and still 340 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 11: made it to the second round. That was basically a 341 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 11: rich coaching having us prepared, knowing everything about the other team, 342 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 11: and to even to get to the second round after 343 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 11: everything we've been there been through that year. That's a 344 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 11: big testament to how we was coached by Rick and 345 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 11: Mike Brown. 346 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: How often do you get asked about the brawl with 347 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: the Pistos? 348 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 6: Every forty minutes? Really, everywhere I go to people bring 349 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 6: it up. 350 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 11: What did they say, Oh, man, I loved you in 351 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 11: the bral, Man, you did what you're supposed to do 352 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 11: with the Yeah, well they don't. You don't know about 353 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 11: the three million I lost and how that the jacket 354 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 11: I had on my back for the rest of my life. 355 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 11: I hear it a lot, but it's some people are 356 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 11: kind of disrespectful for it when they say it, and 357 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 11: some people are very respectful and and I can notice 358 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 11: the difference, but I've done so much more than that 359 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 11: in my life. 360 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 6: You know. 361 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 11: Yeah, I want to be known for being a lawyer guy. 362 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 11: I will always be that. But you know, I didn't 363 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 11: move I didn't. 364 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 6: Move on from it. 365 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: Steven Jackson, All the Smoke Podcast. How often would Michael 366 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: Jordan play pick up when you played for the Bobcats? 367 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 11: When I was there two years? He did it twice. 368 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 11: He actually came out there and played one on one 369 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 11: with some guys. But one day he really tore into 370 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 11: my butt and uh and got in the practice, came 371 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 11: to practice and wanted to make a statement to the 372 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 11: team because we was kind of filling ourselves and he 373 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 11: showed up in practice one day and destroyed us, and 374 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 11: me and them kind of had a verbal back and 375 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 11: forth because I'm a competitor, but it didn't go the 376 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 11: way I wanted it to. 377 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: Okay, when did When did you know Mike was was 378 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: being serious that he was he was coming to play. 379 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 11: When he showed up with practice with a practice uniform. 380 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 11: My mom, that's when I know he was serious. He 381 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 11: showed up with some Jordan's starts and he had the 382 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 11: second team practice jersey on That's when I knew it 383 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 11: was a problem, and that's why I knew he was mad. 384 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 2: Did you think he would respect him like you don't 385 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: want to talk to him? 386 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 11: Yeah, Mike human of me though, Like you know, I'm 387 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 11: even though he's my height on the idolize him. He's 388 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 11: the best ever I You know, if I could a 389 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 11: chance to play against me and compete, I'm a compete 390 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 11: against anybody. 391 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 6: I ain't even lie. 392 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 11: If God challenged me to a one on one, I'm 393 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 11: gonna try to beat him. 394 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 6: You know. That's that's that's just the way I play. 395 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 6: I love the game. I played with passion. You know. 396 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 2: But you know you're talking about God. Sham God? Is 397 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: that who you're talking about? 398 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 6: Talking about one and only God? 399 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, because I might be able to take God 400 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: sham God right now? 401 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 6: Hey, I don't know sham. Guy's been working for the Mavericks. 402 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 6: He's still in good shape. 403 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 2: Do you think Michael could have still played in the 404 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: NBA when when he was there challenging you guys in practice? 405 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 11: Uh No, I think I think you know, for half 406 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 11: court and the way we were practicing, we stayed on 407 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 11: half court, we went to like eight points. It was 408 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 11: better for him because he didn't have to get back 409 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 11: up and down. I don't think he could, but you 410 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 11: know that's Michael Jordan man. Anything he put his mind 411 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 11: so he could have, he did. 412 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: OKAC is a defensive team. 413 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 6: We don't. 414 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: We tend not to highlight this. We want excitement, we 415 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 2: want scoring up and down. If OKC is gonna win 416 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: a title, they're probably gonna win it thanks to defense 417 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: and what Shay Gilders does. How would you describe Okayc's approach. 418 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 11: The only reason I have a championship right now, Dad, 419 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 11: is because we had the number one defense in the league. 420 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 11: Our defense win championships. I think the teams people don't. 421 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 11: People under ray defense. Defense says a lot of things. 422 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 11: When you have the number one defense, when you have 423 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 11: the number one defensive league and also the best team 424 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 11: in the league, that says that your whole team is 425 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 11: playing balls out. 426 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 6: Your whole team is competing to the ultimate level. 427 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 11: Everybody's out there trying to stop their man, and everybody's 428 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 11: competing there on the stringing defense. 429 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 6: When one man. 430 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 11: Gets beat, the other guy know where he has to 431 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 11: be without even thinking about it. That's the teams that 432 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 11: win championships, and this has been this team the last 433 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 11: two years, one of the top defensive teams. I love 434 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 11: it because scoring points these days in the NBA it's 435 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 11: easy because because you have so many guys that in 436 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 11: the league today that are role players. 437 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 6: They only can do one or two things. 438 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 11: I've never seen up a time in the NBA where 439 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 11: guys my size are strictly handoffing screen. Guys can't even 440 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 11: shoot like my size. When I was playing, we were 441 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 11: playing point guard to guard like so like, the game 442 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 11: has changed, so it's so easy. 443 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 6: So when you see. 444 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 11: Guys out there actually competing on defense, when when guys 445 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 11: don't in the league as much because this is a 446 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 11: softer era. I love okayceing the way they're approaching it 447 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 11: and the reason why I think they have that san 448 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 11: Antonio type approach. 449 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 6: You know, this starts with Sam Presty. He put that 450 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 6: team together. 451 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 11: He started there and never he was there when I 452 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 11: was in San Antonio, soaking every thing up. 453 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 6: So I can see why they're having a success. 454 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 2: How often did Pop yell at you and san Antonio? 455 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 11: Probably every ten minutes. I needed it, though I needed it. 456 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: I remember Bret Barry telling me that when all else failed. 457 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: He knew he was gonna get yelled at by coach 458 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: pop Yeah, you. 459 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 11: Know what, A lot of it was warranted because you know, 460 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 11: he was trying to make he was trying to make 461 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 11: me a professional, but also make me a man, you know. 462 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 11: And I was coming out the games thinking, and I 463 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 11: couna play basketball? Why am I coming out? This is 464 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 11: the NBA, bro after retch, you have to come out, 465 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 11: you know. So it was a lot of things that 466 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 11: I didn't understand as a young kid coming into the league. 467 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 6: But Pop handled me right. 468 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 11: Like a lot of times when I came out the 469 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 11: game and I was screaming and cursing, he wouldn't come 470 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 11: down there. He'll send Mike Brown and Mike Brown just 471 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 11: standing in front of me and let me curse him 472 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,360 Speaker 11: out and take it. I'll calm down then Popa put 473 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 11: me back in the game later. But it worked. It 474 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 11: worked a lot. But at the beginning then I was 475 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 11: frustrated and cursing. Pop Up didn't understand what he was doing. 476 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: We've come up with the Hall of very Good players 477 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: that you know, like Joe Johnson's in the Hall of 478 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: Very Good, Jamal Crawford Hall of Very Good guys that 479 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: aren't probably aren't gonna make the Hall of Fame. Do 480 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: you have any additions that you would like to add 481 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: to the Hall of very good? Uh? 482 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 11: Well it so, let me ask you this. They say, 483 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 11: the Hall of Fame is your whole life of basketball, right, 484 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 11: not just your NBA career right. 485 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, college, international play, yeah. 486 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 11: And if you win championships on every level, you should 487 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 11: be you know, close to it. For me personally, on 488 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 11: the highest level, I mean I want a champions spawl 489 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 11: every level of basketball played from high school, Big Three, NBA, overseas, 490 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 11: you name it. But as a peer of a lot 491 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 11: of these guys, I feel like Stephan Marlberry should be 492 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 11: a Hall of Famer. I feel like Jamaine O'Neill should 493 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 11: be a Hall of Famer. I feel like rona Tests 494 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 11: should be a Hall of Famer, Like all these guys 495 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 11: I'm saying should be in already because of what they've 496 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 11: done in the game. You know, we all know Ron 497 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 11: had trouble, We know he made some mistakes, but he 498 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 11: was Defensive Player of the Year, and we all know 499 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 11: as peers a clear mind, Ron could have been MVPN 500 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 11: Defensive Player Year of multiple years. You know, he just dominated. 501 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 11: So I look at guys like even you know, I 502 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 11: wouldn't say he Hall of Fame, but he's he could 503 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 11: have had a Hall of Fame career if he wouldnt 504 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 11: have got hurt. 505 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 6: Brandon Royd somebody I speak highly of. 506 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 11: So like, I look at it different because my stats 507 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 11: are better than mo Chieks my career stats. 508 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 6: He's in the Hall of Fame. 509 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 11: So you know, I can compare my stats to some 510 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 11: people in the Hall of Fame, and so if I 511 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 11: can compare myself, then watch a guy like Jermaine on Niro, 512 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 11: Rashee Wallace, these type of guys they should be shoeing 513 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 11: because they were that dominant. 514 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 6: In the game. 515 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 2: Do you think you should be in the Hall of Fame? 516 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 6: No? 517 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: No, Okay, I love the honest answer. 518 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 6: Yeah, No. 519 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 11: I know I've had a better career and I've done 520 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 11: better things in my life than some of the people 521 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 11: in the Hall of Fame as far as basketball wise. 522 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 11: But me being in the Hall of Fame, now, I know, 523 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 11: I know that brawl and some of it, you know, 524 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 11: that notching and stuff. Some of the stuff I've been 525 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 11: into is a big knock, and they don't look at 526 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 11: stuff like that but to my peers, I hear from 527 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 11: all my peers, I'm in the real Brother Hall of Fame. 528 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 6: You know, I take that work. 529 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: Where is the real brother Hall of Fame? Where is 530 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: that building? 531 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 11: So that it's a group of brothers who all played 532 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 11: in the NBA, who all got some type of ridicue 533 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 11: by the NBA, are mistreated or misunderstood by the NBA, 534 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 11: but guys that could actually play the game, that won 535 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 11: in the game. 536 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 6: You know, I made a rookie All Star. 537 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 11: I would have made All Star games if I didn't 538 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 11: get into that trouble because I had great years of 539 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 11: six years average of twenty plus. So it's just a 540 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 11: group of brothers that all was misunderstood, that actually played 541 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 11: the game. Well, some of us have champions with some 542 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 11: of us don't, but we all appreciate the role that 543 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 11: we took to get where we at, you know, and 544 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 11: all of us had. 545 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 6: A tough role to get there. 546 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: Latrell Spreewell is in that. 547 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 6: He's definitely in. 548 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 11: Alan Ibsen is the leader. He's the president, and he's 549 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 11: the president because ninety eight percent of the guys that's 550 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 11: in that group. He showed all of us that we 551 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 11: can be us without compromising who we are and still 552 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 11: be successful. And it don't matter how you look, how 553 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 11: you walk, how you talk, as long as you do 554 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 11: your job. And Alan Ibison showed me that, and that 555 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 11: was the main reason why I was able to be 556 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 11: myself and not compromise nothing. Yeah I made mistakes, but 557 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 11: I owned up to all of them and still me today. 558 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 11: Alan Ibis says, be yourself because everybody else is already taken. 559 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 2: Good stuff, man, congrats on the podcast. 560 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 6: Thank you very much. It's been a blessing. Man. 561 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 11: Shout out Matt Barnes, Brian Daily, Johann mcquar, all my partners. 562 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 6: Man, it's just been a blessing. Then. 563 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 11: I can't tell you all this what happened. I just think, 564 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 11: you know, I would always say good things happen to 565 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 11: good people. I've I've been a lawyer, you got my 566 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 11: whole life to everybody I played with, a loving guy, 567 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 11: done a lot of the communities and giving back. So 568 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 11: I just think this is a well of guard of 569 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 11: blessing me and giv me enough another opportunity to do 570 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 11: something great. 571 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 6: In my life. 572 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: Thank you, man, I appreciate it. It's as Stephen Jackson, 573 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 2: the podcast The award winning podcast is called All the Smoke. 574 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 575 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 576 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 577 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 2: Quinn Buckner, Pacers TV color analyst former NBA player, joining 578 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 2: us on the program. Buck good to see you. How 579 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: would you describe the atmosphere last night? 580 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 8: Very much. 581 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 12: I wouldn't say chaotic. It was fun. It really is exciting. 582 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 12: You know, basketball is a big part of what the 583 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 12: state of Indiana is about. You know, it's in the 584 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 12: ethos of the of all of the fans, and so 585 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 12: to see the Pacers at this stage, I mean, as 586 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 12: you know, and those that watch, Reggie's there, Jermaine O'Neil 587 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 12: is their lances there. I mean, you've got a number 588 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 12: of the guy Danny Granger, who had not been back, 589 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 12: came to the game and excuse me and Triple H. 590 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 12: I'm not into wrestling, but that's a big deal for Reggie. 591 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 12: I'm not so Reggie, but for Tyrese because Tyres is 592 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 12: a big wrestling fan. So you got all of that 593 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 12: going and John Mellencamp. 594 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 8: It was. It was a lot of fun, just a 595 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 8: lot of fun. 596 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: M's more iconic Reggie's choke to Spike Lee or Tyrese 597 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 2: Halliburton recreated that choke. 598 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 12: Well, the fact that he recreated it's pretty creative on 599 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 12: his part, but well it's not creative, but it's something 600 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 12: that he wanted to do. But I have to say 601 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 12: Reggie's is by far the most iconic. I don't think 602 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 12: there's any question about. First of all, that's say points 603 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 12: nine seconds. That's a huge difference when. 604 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 8: You look at it. 605 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 12: Even though Tyrese got it going, could have moved that 606 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 12: footback and make the shot. 607 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 8: But I tell you what this kid is. 608 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 12: He's not a kid, he's a young man, but he 609 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 12: really gets what winning basketball is about, and it's important 610 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 12: for him to share it with his teammates. And that's 611 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 12: one of the reasons why this team can run, because 612 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 12: guys will run if you know you're gonna get the ball, 613 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 12: and he will throw the ball to you. And he 614 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 12: does it very uniquely. He even admitted he's one of 615 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 12: the few guys in the league that does a lot 616 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 12: of jump passes, which for many of the older generation 617 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 12: understand that was something that was taboo. But he has 618 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 12: the ability to find a pathway to deliver his teammates 619 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 12: the ball, and equally important, his teammates understand if he 620 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 12: gets in the air, you gotta get open because you 621 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 12: don't want him to travel with it. So they make 622 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 12: an effort to give him the space and then from 623 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 12: there it's knocking down the shot. 624 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 2: He's got swagger, but he's likable, like he doesn't have 625 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: that you know where you don't like him because he's 626 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 2: so cocky. 627 00:29:55,320 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 8: Excuse me, typical view. That's a great observation. You're very observant. Yeah, 628 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 8: he really does. 629 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 12: And that's why he can play with his teammates and 630 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 12: they're not jealous because he's not trying to take the 631 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 12: limelight and carry it for himself. It really is his 632 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 12: pride in how he plays and plays for his team 633 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 12: and plays for the guys. He's big on his guys. 634 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 12: As a human being. When you're around him, he lights 635 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 12: up a room. He wants to make sure everybody is comfortable. 636 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 12: All those kinds of things that you like about human being. 637 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 12: He makes sure he engages you. Everybody, and I mean 638 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 12: top to bottom, pardon me, including those if you will. 639 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 12: Because I've always watched guys to try to see how 640 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 12: they treat if you will, the back office, the back room, 641 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 12: how do you treat people there? This guy is the 642 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 12: same with everyone. And when he gets on the court, 643 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 12: you know, guys, I have to understand. He's just a 644 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 12: really good guy that just happened to be one heck 645 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 12: of a basketball player. 646 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: Can the Knicks come back? 647 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 8: Can is a word that you can use on it 648 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 8: at any time. 649 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 12: I think the pace is a heart for the Knicks 650 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 12: to play Higgins, because the Knicks are more of. 651 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 8: Their slower paced team, which is typical. 652 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 12: This is what's unusual about this to me and maybe 653 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 12: you because you watched the sports mini sports, but this one. 654 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 12: The game typically slows down in the playoffs, and the 655 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 12: further you go, as I was fortunate enough to do 656 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 12: with the Celtics and others, the further you go up 657 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 12: that ladder, the more it slows down. The Pacers have 658 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 12: managed to maintain their pace for the most part the 659 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 12: game they lost. They lost the pace at the end 660 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 12: of I think it was the first half, in the 661 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 12: beginning of the third quarter, and it caused them a problem. 662 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 12: With this kind of pace, it's going to make it 663 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 12: very very difficult. But you know, can is a word, 664 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 12: but I don't know, it's really. 665 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: He's Queen Buckner, the Pacers TV color analyst. You were 666 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: prominently featured in the Celtics documentary. A couple of stories 667 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 2: stood out. When your wife wanted to know how confident 668 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: Larry was going into the game seven and nineteen. 669 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 12: Yeah, she was very concerned about that. And Larry, We're 670 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 12: gonna win. And Larry just gets out of the car 671 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 12: like we all do. Get out of the car, Yeah, 672 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 12: and just keeps walking. I mean he did. He just 673 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 12: kept walking, and my wife, I think, felt better about 674 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 12: the whole situation. But that is Larry yesterday, today, and tomorrow. 675 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 12: He is the ultimate confident guy. But Larry looks at it. 676 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 12: He's just playing a basketball game. He never looked at 677 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 12: it like I said, you know, he knows this seventh game, 678 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 12: but he just does that. 679 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 8: But he also had that ability to. 680 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 12: I think, maintain that that presence, that that that confidence 681 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 12: because he knows it helps his teammates. 682 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: Also, you were there in New Orleans when Larry, when 683 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: Larry went off against the Hawks and. 684 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 12: Dan, it was one of the most I've been been 685 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 12: blessed to be around the sport for many years, and 686 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 12: I'm gonna say, more than four decades. 687 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 8: I have never seen anything like it. It was one of. 688 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 12: The great athletes, great performances. I don't go to plays 689 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 12: or anything like that, but he did it. He did 690 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 12: it simply. And when I see Dominiko over there and 691 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 12: the guys on the bench giving each other five because 692 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 12: he's taken a shot, he's got no business taken. He's 693 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 12: got guys draped on him, and he makes it and 694 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 12: just runs down like he's breathing. You know, he's just breathing. 695 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 12: It's just the next shot. But the proverbials on. He 696 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 12: was there, and you know, the blessing for me quite frankly, 697 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 12: and I'm a little selfish in this thought because I 698 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 12: was there to witness it. But I'm telling you, it 699 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 12: was one of the great performances I have ever seen. 700 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 12: And I happen to be blessed enough to be around 701 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 12: the bulls in the nineties, but this was something that 702 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 12: was just unbelievable. 703 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: But you played with Larry, you're good friends with Michael Jordan. 704 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: Can you compare and contrast their competitiveness. 705 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 8: Oh, they were equally competitive. 706 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 12: I don't know if you can really say one is 707 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 12: more competitive than the other. I only think about when 708 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 12: people ask that question, and they don't often because I 709 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 12: don't want to. Don't really delve into it, Larry. And 710 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 12: for those who you are religious, don't don't don't. Don't 711 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 12: take this the wrong way. Michael got sixty three on 712 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 12: the Bulls, I mean on the on the Celtics in 713 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 12: the playoffs, and Larry had somebody asked him about Michael Jordan. 714 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 12: He said, well, Michael Jordan's a basketball players like he 715 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 12: basically said he was God. Larry had never seen anything 716 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 12: like this. Larry enjoys winning. They both are very, very 717 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 12: They're smart as all get out. 718 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 8: They read people at a high level. 719 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 12: But getting those two and this is this is one 720 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 12: of those two death kind of things. You get those 721 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 12: two against each other is to the death of both 722 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 12: of them, not one of them, to both of them, 723 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 12: because that's how competitive they are. 724 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 2: Today's NBA. If you could tweak, I'll give you, I'll 725 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 2: let you be commissioner for a day. You can tweak 726 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 2: one thing or change one thing, what would you do. 727 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 12: That's an interesting question. I'm not sure I played in 728 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 12: the air that was much more physical. Uh, these guys 729 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 12: are supremely more talented than those generations in the eighties 730 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 12: and the nineties. The three point shooting I think is 731 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 12: gonna it will taper to the degree that you have 732 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 12: more capable player shooting. Some teams have guys shoot the ball, 733 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 12: some people have shooters, and some people have makers. 734 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 8: Okay, there'll be more less people. 735 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 12: Shooting the ball that can't make it, and I think 736 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 12: that will make the game, not probably even more interesting. 737 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 12: But I just like the evolution of the game and 738 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 12: how how it's grown. Dan I did not take to it, 739 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 12: quite frankly when it first happened. Dick Vitel, the great 740 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 12: vict Dick Vitel, I think you work with him, so 741 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 12: you know, Dack, he was on this from the very 742 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 12: beginning and thought it would change the game. I think 743 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 12: it's more exciting for fans. I think the players are 744 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 12: much more excited about it and like to do it. 745 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 12: But there's some guys, you know, you just you want 746 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 12: to just shoot it because they're not going to make it. 747 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 12: So there's not anything necessarily that I would change from 748 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 12: the game. I'm you know, I'm sure Hadham and his crew, 749 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 12: he's spending many hours on that. 750 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 2: I don't anybody compared to Steph Curry that you saw 751 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 2: no prior to No No, No No. 752 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 12: And I got to give Mark Jackson credit when he 753 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 12: and I remember him saying this, Mark played for the 754 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 12: Paces for those of you who don't know, and it 755 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 12: was a great. 756 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 8: Guard from New York. He said when he got him, 757 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 8: he said. 758 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 12: These are the two best shooting heat guards maybe in 759 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 12: the history of basketball. Steph is so unusual because Steph 760 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 12: can't get his and he is never he's in terrific shape, 761 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 12: which I think is a factor. Quite frankly, as we 762 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 12: talk about New York and the Pacers play can't get it, 763 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 12: but if he get it, he's gonna make it. He 764 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 12: played against the Pacers one game and I'm not proud 765 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 12: of this, and I don't think anybody in the organization is. 766 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 12: He got sixty points and twenty nine minutes on eleven dribbles, 767 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 12: and it was It was an unbelievable performance. Now STEP's 768 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 12: gonna take more dribbles than that, but he's capable of 769 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 12: doing that. 770 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 8: I mean at that time on any game of night. Obviously, 771 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 8: as you move into your. 772 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 12: Thirties, you're not there's nobody that ever compared to what 773 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 12: Steph does because most guys are shooting. 774 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 8: Were shooters in. 775 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 12: Earlier times, but they didn't have the ball handling stills 776 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 12: quite as effective as he does. 777 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 2: There's going to come a day where Larry Bird's not 778 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 2: one of the top ten players of all time. 779 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 8: I don't know about that. I don't know about that one. 780 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 7: Dan. 781 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 12: I am telling you that Larry is is. There's a 782 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 12: uniqueness about him. But I tell you who is comparable. 783 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 12: And Larry said, there's only one guy he watches flight. 784 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 12: It's Jokic, And if you look at him, the difference 785 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 12: is Yokich is longer, but that's about it. 786 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 8: And longer, and that's not about it. He's taller. 787 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,839 Speaker 12: They play and whatever talent they have on their team, 788 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 12: those guys play at a higher level for having played 789 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 12: with Larry. I knew it because I did and I 790 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 12: watched Yokis do that. But getting Larry out of the 791 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 12: top ten, now you're not gonna I may be biased, 792 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 12: but I don't think so. I just think if you 793 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 12: look at pure basketball players, Larry Bird is as pure 794 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 12: basketball players, you're ever gonna find nothing he could not do. 795 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 8: You know, can't jump, can't run, beat. 796 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 12: You get your triple double, the whole nine yards, No 797 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,919 Speaker 12: Larry's staying in the top ten. 798 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 2: If it ends up Pacers and Oka See, how do 799 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 2: how does Indiana win? 800 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 12: The benches got to be really good because okay See 801 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 12: plays ten to eleven players and they all contribute. And 802 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 12: this is what I think is the for me, what 803 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 12: I enjoy watching in terms of the coaching. Rick has 804 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 12: done a terrific job and you can go you know nine, 805 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 12: he has gone ten and you get some really good performance. 806 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 12: Oka See has eleven guys that they may throw out there. 807 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 12: Everybody may have a specialty, but they star in their roles. 808 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 12: The others have to star in their roles. On the Pacers, 809 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 12: I think Matherin's consistency off the bench. He had twenty 810 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,240 Speaker 12: last night, but he struggled for the previous games. That's 811 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 12: got to have some consistency. Fifteen to eighteen points a 812 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 12: game and you're gonna have to get a lot more 813 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 12: out of top and all of that because okay, so 814 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 12: he can score the ball. But they're the best defensive 815 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 12: They may be the best defensive team. Well, I think 816 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 12: left they really challenge you and they can run with 817 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 12: you and get back in transition. 818 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 8: Is it would be a very difficult series. 819 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 2: Thanks for holding up your golf game. I'm sure you're 820 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 2: headed to the golf course right. 821 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 8: You called it all right, I appreciate it. 822 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 2: Everybody always gonna tell you, thank you, Buck. That's Quinn Buckner.