1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 1: Well, it's been the story of the day Bill Belichick, 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: who will get into the Hall of Fame. But it 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: shocked a lot of people that he did not get in. 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: Now we've talked about this today. The strange thing about 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voting is they just tweaked the voting 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: so now coaches can get in one year after they 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: leave the sport players doesn't matter. If you're the greatest 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: player in the world, you gotta wait five years. But 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: we said earlier Don shul is the winningest coach ever, 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: he had to wait five years for the record. Bill Walsh, 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: arguably the most innovative coach ever, did not get in 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: the first time he was eligible. Vince Lombardi didn't, and 20 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs, who won three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, 21 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: did not. But there's a sense with Belichick. I mean, 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: come on, he's got this cachet of rings, and again 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: I would have voted him in. I get it. But 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: my argument is when you start looking at people who 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: didn't get in and they had to wait five years 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: to begin with, our next guest is somebody that waited 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: far too long. One of the great coaches of all time, 28 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, the Hall of Famer Fox Sports, is now 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: joining us slide down, as you know in the Keys, 30 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: so listen. I would have voted him in. But my 31 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: take is when a Lombardi or a Walsh, or a 32 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs or a Jimmy Johnson or a Parcels who 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl with Jeff Hostetler and Simms, can 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: you not argue, well, those guys had to wait, Why 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: can't Bill? Isn't that a legit argument? 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: No, it's not. 37 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: You're completely wrong, Colin, because coaches are a lot older 38 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: than players, and you'd like to get the coach in 39 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 4: before he's dead, you know, And so you know, because 40 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 4: of the age of coaches, it's not like you and 41 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 4: they're going to retire, and you know when they're thirty one, 42 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 4: they're going to retire when they're sixty five, and so 43 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: because of the difference in the age, you know, the 44 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 4: coaches really need to go in, you know, really before 45 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 4: they get to the point where they can't enjoy it. 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: You know, when you were elected into the Hall of Fame, 47 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: it was live on Fox TV, and you were not 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: only emotional, so was everybody that works with you. Because 49 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: you've been at Fox, You've ingratiated yourself to a lot 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: of people. Listen, Bill didn't get along with the Crafts. 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he's haid he's he'd never gotten along with 52 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: the media. I know that shouldn't matter, but stuff like 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: that in life does matter. What about the whole pushback 54 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: that you know Bill's going to be in a year, 55 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: but you know he poked the media in the ribs 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: and some of those guys vote and he just shut 57 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: them off and built up walls about that argument. 58 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 4: Well, I don't really think I've had three hours sleep 59 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 4: ever since the news came out last night, because it's 60 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 4: so wrong. You know, look at the accolades, you know, 61 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 4: look at all the division wins. Look at eight Super Bowls, 62 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 4: six of them as a head coach, second all time, 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 4: winning his coach in history, and so I'm not going 64 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 4: to talk about the accolades. I'm just going to say, Okay, 65 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 4: why did he not go in? I'm searching my own mind. 66 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: Why did he not go in? 67 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 4: Did crap because him and Craft were at odds at 68 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 4: one another? 69 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: Did he have an influence? 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: Did some of the media have an influence because he 71 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: didn't give him an interview? He wasn't the most pleasant 72 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 4: to the media back when he coached. 73 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: You just don't know, you know. 74 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: Some of them used the excuse of spygate, which is 75 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: totally ridiculous. Every team in the league before they had 76 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 4: the electronic communication from sideline to the field, every team 77 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 4: in the league tried to steal the opponent's signals, whether 78 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 4: or not it be an assistant coach studying the opponent 79 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: on how he was signaling, whether or not they're doing 80 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: one thing. We actually picked it up from Kansas City. 81 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 4: Howard Mudd was a great offensive line coach and they 82 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 4: had some outtending teams. 83 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: But he was at. 84 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 4: Kansas City and Scout told us, he says, here's how 85 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 4: we do it. We actually filmed the opponent's signal caller. 86 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 4: Then we match it up with the film uh with 87 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 4: their signals, and so I said, hey, that's a great idea. 88 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: We tried doing it. We were horrible at it. 89 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 4: It really took up too much time because it's only 90 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 4: got a few seconds that you can get it in. 91 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 3: But we watched Kansas City. 92 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 4: The offensive guard will look over at Howard Mudd on 93 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 4: the sideline and he had given him a signal whether 94 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 4: or not it was going to be man coverage or 95 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: his own coverage or a blitz, et cetera, et cetera. So, 96 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 4: like I said, we tried it. You know, we didn't 97 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 4: do very good at it. We stopped doing it after 98 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks. But you know, teams have been 99 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 4: trying this, you know, ever since you know, they had 100 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 4: signals before they did the electronic communication. 101 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: You're not the only person that thinks Robert Kraft did 102 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: not want to go in with Belichick. And there's I mean, listen, 103 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: you know better than anybody, owners want to get their way. 104 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: Owners are very close with Roger Goodell because they're his boss. 105 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: And I mean, do you think around the league, people 106 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: in your space, legendary coaches think Craft has a lot 107 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: to do with this. 108 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: Well, it could be because you know, you know, for instance, 109 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 4: there's a lot of media that said they want to 110 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: have access to the New England Patriots. Well, who's going 111 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 4: to give them access of Craft? And so if there 112 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,559 Speaker 4: is some tension between Belichick and Craft, and maybe Craft, 113 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: but you know he wants to go in before Belichick 114 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 4: goes in. And I don't know this for a fact. 115 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 4: I mean, there are a lot of different factors. But 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 4: for some reason, you know, these people ten or eleven 117 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 4: or twelve voters did not vote for Belichick, and with 118 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: his accolades and all of the championships, he deserved to 119 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 4: go in first ballot, you know, unanimously and with no 120 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 4: one voting against him. 121 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: Do you think he's bothered by it? Well? 122 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 3: I think it hurts him. Yeah, yeah, hey, going, we're 123 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: all we're all bothered by it. 124 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: You know, when you work as hard as coaches work, 125 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 4: they're proud of what they accomplished, you know, And I'm 126 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: Bill's proud of what he accomplished at New England. 127 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 5: Yeah. 128 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a great quarterback. But how many pro 129 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame coaches didn't have a great quarterback? 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 4: I had Toy Yikman, you know, no had, Terry Bradshaw, 131 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 4: Walsh had you know, Joe Montana, you know, own and own, 132 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 4: and so you can't use that excuse and see the 133 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 4: other thing to just knowing Bill personally. Yeah, I don't 134 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: know of a single person yourself included, anybody that knows 135 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 4: the history of the NFL like Bill Belichick, anybody that 136 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 4: ever watched him on TV. Pick the top one hundred 137 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 4: players in the history of the NFL to see the 138 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 4: knowledge that he has about the league. He loves the NFL, 139 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 4: he loves the history of the NFL. 140 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: And you know it's got to hurt him that he 141 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 3: didn't go. 142 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 4: First off, I was with him at the National Championship 143 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 4: Game and I walked away and he said, I hope 144 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 4: to see you in the Hall this year. And you know, 145 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: I thought it was just going to be a slam dunk, 146 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 4: and so I charted a plane. I was gonna fly 147 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: jet up to Canton to see him go in. Well 148 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 4: I canceled that flight. 149 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 3: I'm not going. 150 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, again, I'd have voted him in. I've spent 151 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: today saying we can all vent that he didn't get in, 152 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: But let's add some context. Have we run the Seth 153 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: Wickersham bite yet? I don't think we have Seth Wickersham's 154 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: a writer for ESPN. They did change the voting methodology 155 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: this year, and which is weird. And I think all 156 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: Hall of Fames get a little too personal and petty. 157 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: So here's Seth Wickersham, great writer on Belichick and the 158 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: voting process. 159 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 6: Belichick was expecting that he was going to get forty 160 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 6: nine votes, like privately, that was his expectation that he 161 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 6: would get forty nine votes, and obviously he didn't come 162 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 6: close to forty and I think that that's pretty interesting. 163 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 6: And again how that happened is really difficult, Like it 164 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 6: wasn't like the Hall of Fame wanted us to break 165 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 6: this story yesterday. 166 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: They didn't. 167 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 6: And a lot of the voters didn't know that Belichick 168 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 6: hadn't gotten in. You see a lot of their reactions 169 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 6: on social media, and they were blowing up Don and 170 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 6: I phones for sure, saying like this is an embarrassment 171 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 6: for all of us. We had no idea that Belichick 172 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 6: didn't get in. 173 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well because of the. 174 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 4: Process, you know, they had you know, like five candidates 175 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: and they picked three of the five. Well, some of 176 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 4: the media might have said, well, it's a Sam dump. 177 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: That Bill's going in. 178 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 4: That's right, so I'm going to go for so and 179 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 4: so to help him get in because I know Bill's 180 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,599 Speaker 4: going in and so. It could have been the process 181 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: of picking the whole of same candidates, but that's still 182 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 4: no excuse. You pick the best you know available. He Listen, 183 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: I'm a coach, colin, and you know, if a player 184 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: doesn't go in, hey, I live with it. 185 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: Okay, then you'll get a chance next year. 186 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 4: But I know how great a coach Bill Belichick is well, 187 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 4: and for him not to go in first ballot is wrong. 188 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: What is his greatest asset as a coach? When you 189 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: go fishing with him? 190 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: What the want do? 191 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: You just think to yourself, Man, he's different. 192 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 4: I'll give you the best and the worst. The best thing. 193 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 4: He is a great situation coach. He's a great fundamental coach. 194 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 4: He coaches all phases, special teams, offense, defense. 195 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 3: He's a great game day coach. He's a great game 196 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 3: plan coach. 197 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 4: To go ahead and take away what the opponent does 198 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 4: best and you know, take advantage of that. He does 199 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 4: all of those things. That's what he's good at, you know. 200 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 4: Personnel wise, Hey, yeah, you could take him or leave him. 201 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 3: He did pretty good with some of the veterans. Some 202 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: of his draft picks you're gonna have questions about. 203 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 4: But as a coach, as a pure coach, he's the 204 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 4: best I've ever known. 205 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: Wow, there we go. See we did twelve minutes here 206 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: on Belichick, who again, I would have voted for him. 207 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting to just kind of 208 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: contextualize all this stuff. Let me ask you one thing 209 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: about the Super Bowl, because you've been in this thing 210 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: and you know the weight. I'm gonna focus on Darnold. Listen, 211 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: he was he struggled with the Jets, he was twenty 212 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: years old, he didn't have the right coach. It was 213 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: man overboard. Are you surprised? Did you think he'd go 214 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: toe to toe and play his best game? And you 215 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: were a great You're one of the coaches. You may 216 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: be the best ever at this You are a great 217 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: personnel coach. You you could have just said I don't 218 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: need a GM, I'm gonna draft. There's maybe only two 219 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: or three coaches ever that could do that. So I'm 220 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: interested in your perspective on Donald I thought he was 221 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: too damn talented not to win some games. He was 222 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: too talented. Did you or were you shocked by what 223 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: he did. 224 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,479 Speaker 3: I agree with you. 225 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 4: Coming out of college therefc you know, everybody says, okay, 226 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: if you can cut his turnovers down, this guy can 227 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 4: be a great, great quarterback. Two things happened for him 228 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 4: win Seattle. I think the experience of what he went 229 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 4: through with the Jets, with Carolina on and on, that experience, 230 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 4: you know, taught him to be more protective with the football. 231 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 4: The second thing, he's part of a great team. He's 232 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 4: got a great defensive team. He doesn't have to carry 233 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 4: that team on his shoulders. At Carolina, he had to 234 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 4: carry that football team. He couldn't do it because he 235 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 4: turned it over. Now he knows he's got a great defense. 236 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 4: He knows that he can be patient, take his time, 237 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: take the checkdowns, you know, throw it here every now 238 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: and then take a shot. 239 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: You know, down the field. 240 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 4: Uh So, I think the experience that he had and 241 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 4: the team that he's with and the coaching that he's 242 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: getting allowed him to be a great player. And hey, 243 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 4: uh Seattle, right now they look like the favorite in 244 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. 245 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 1: Oh they're good. Hey uh, I've got to mention the 246 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes. It's interesting, boy, so close, so Mario Christobal's 247 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: reputation forever was great recruiter, but we had sort of 248 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: labeled him as I don't know if I love him 249 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: as a game coach situational coach, but man, I like 250 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: his energy. Man he can build a program. I watched 251 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: them this year, and my take on Mario as he 252 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: grew as a coach now, a lot of it is 253 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: that D line and that O line is good, but 254 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: coaches have a right to grow too, not just Sam 255 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: Darnold and players. Your thoughts on what Mario did, because 256 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: at Oregon the take was he doesn't win big games, 257 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: but he's the hell of a recruiter. I don't know. 258 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: I watched him in close games this year. I thought 259 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: he was I thought he really grew as a coach. 260 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 4: I think he grew as a coach. He got a 261 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 4: lot better. And you're you're right, he's a great recruiter. 262 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 4: We just signed you know, the top quarterback, top transfer 263 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 4: portal out of Duke here just recently, and the receiver, 264 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 4: and got one of the top pass rushers from Missouri. 265 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: So we've got the players. I think the two things. 266 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 4: Not only has he gotten better as a head coach, 267 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 4: he's got some outstanding assistants. Corey Heatherton, you know, and 268 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: there as a defensive coordinator, did a great job with 269 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 4: that defense. If we'd had that defense a year ago 270 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: when we had cam Ward and nobody. 271 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: Would have come close to us. 272 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 4: And the other thing is often chan Dlson is an 273 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 4: outstanding offensive coach, so he's got some outstanding assistant coaches 274 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 4: as well. Hey, the reason I went to the Hall 275 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 4: of Fame had great players and I had great assistant coaches, 276 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 4: and so you gotta if you're gonna win championships, it 277 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 4: can't be one individual. 278 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people involved in that. 279 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Dave Wanstat. You know, if you don't 280 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: have Wanstat, Uncle Dave. 281 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 4: Dave was important to me. North Turner was important to me. 282 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: Troy Hagman did a nice little job. I mean, so, 283 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: if you're gonna win a championship, it can't be one individual. 284 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: You got to have a team. 285 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: Great stuff coach as always, It's wonderful, senior. I love 286 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: you're fighting for Belichick. You're not sleeping and I love 287 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: that support and loyalty. Thanks. 288 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 3: Uh all right, Colin, good talking with you. 289 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, listen, I was taking the train 290 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: in today. And my takeaway is I could just vent 291 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: that Belichick should get in, but let's add some let's 292 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: add some context to it. Bill Walsh didn't get in 293 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: first vote, Shula waited forever, Vince Lombardi didn't get in 294 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: first vote, Joe Gibbs didn't get in. Checks winning percentage 295 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: without Brady is Jerry Glanville had a higher winning percentage. Okay, 296 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: So my take on this is, yeah, of course I 297 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: would have vote build in, but I'm not. 298 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: I don't. 299 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: I would say I've got a lot of faults. I'm 300 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: not a real grudge holder. I don't give a rip. 301 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: I mean people that don't like me, it makes me laugh. 302 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, whatever, I just don't. I'm not a 303 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: grudge holder. I'm not terribly petty. Uh, that's just not 304 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: my personality. Some people, you know, they use that as 305 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: jet fuel. That's not my thing. So, but I do 306 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: think when you start looking at I said this earlier, 307 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: is that in life, a lot of decisions are made 308 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: when you're not in the room. And Bill alienated a 309 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: lot of people, and you know, you gotta have self 310 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: awareness and no, if I want to get into the 311 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, I probably shouldn't go out of my 312 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: way to mock and humiliate people who could vote for me. 313 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: They will all sleep on the couch for a year. 314 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: He's gonna get in obviously. 315 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 316 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: and noon Eastern non a Empacific. 317 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 7: Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Maller. 318 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 7: Would mean a lot to have you join us on 319 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 7: our weekly auditory journey. 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Bill 330 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: Belichick doesn't make the Hall of Fame. All sorts of 331 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: different opinions today. Jimmy Johnson, this is outrageous. I just 332 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: I saw an article they had a Hall of Fame 333 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: will never recover. I think it will. It's I think 334 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: it'll recover just fine. Jamack with the news. 335 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News. 336 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 8: You know, it's been a great January column. We haven't talked. 337 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 9: About the Kansas City Chiefs because they missed the playoffs 338 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 9: and they were a disaster this season. But guess what, 339 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 9: Andy Reid is kind of excited to leave the struggles 340 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 9: behind Colin. I mean, it was a rough year for 341 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 9: the Chiefs. Reid Mahomes obviously injured. Nine straight division titles 342 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 9: as toast. Here's Andy Reid. 343 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 10: Well, as I'm fired up to get in this offseason 344 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 10: and get going. I mean, we didn't do very well 345 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 10: this past year and that's not been RMO there. So 346 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 10: I want to fix the problem and let's let's uh 347 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 10: the problems that we had. And in all phases, you 348 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 10: know it, change can be good sometimes for you, and 349 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 10: so that's. 350 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: What I'm fired up about. 351 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: Listen, they have a good draft pick finally, seriously, I 352 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: mean it's they have a great GM and they have 353 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: a good draft pick. It's I think it's very difficult 354 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: to draft at the bottom of the first round, and 355 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: I've to gms through the years multiple times they're like 356 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: it's death Valley. You get down to like twenty three 357 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: and you're basically paying a first round price for a 358 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: second round guy. And there's always a sense j Mack 359 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: the first sixteen picks our first round they're difference makers. 360 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: And then you go from about pick seventeen eighteen to 361 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: the bottom of the second and you're like a lot 362 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: of times those guys will be good, but they're not 363 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: ready to help you quite yet. 364 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 7: Yet. 365 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: You drafted them in the space fans want them to 366 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: make a contribution. Coaches can put pressure on him. So 367 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: a great example of that as the Chiefs drafted Xavier Worthy, 368 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: who I think is a great gadget guy. But if 369 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: you draft a first round receiver, you'd like, well, I 370 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: want JSN Well no, no, no, he's not necessarily at the 371 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: end of the first round. So I think, you know, Buffalo, Baltimore, 372 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: Kansas City Rams are getting into this now. When you 373 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: draft at the bottom of a first round, Rams have 374 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: an earlier pick, it's just really hard to you know, 375 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: these it's just tough. Like they've got a lot of 376 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: good players. Chiefs don't have a lot of great players 377 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: in my opinion. 378 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna reach for my violin here. 379 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 9: Oh college, it's so tough to draft at the end 380 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 9: of the first round. Yeah, tell that to the Philadelphia 381 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 9: Eagles and Howie Roseman. Okay, like I don't want to 382 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 9: hear it. Bottom line is, the Chiefs don't have a 383 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 9: lot of good players. I know that GM has been great, 384 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 9: he hasn't been amazing of late, Colin, look at the 385 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 9: stats for your boy Mahomes. You want to talk turnovers. 386 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 9: You like turnovers. Patrick Mahomes is your guy. I mean, listen, 387 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 9: they couldn't win a one score game to save their life. 388 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I'm excited that this team is down, and 389 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 9: I'm just telling you right now, Colin, I know we 390 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 9: have a bunch of new playoff teams every year. I 391 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 9: don't think the Chiefs are a lot to get to 392 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 9: the playoffs as of now. 393 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 8: Let's see what if that changes. No free agency in 394 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 8: the draft, but they got an uphill climb. 395 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the Chargers will upgrade, Their tackles will 396 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: be healthy, They'll have another hardball right out of college draft, 397 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: and they have upgraded significantly. Many believe it offensive coordinator. 398 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: The Chargers will be better. We talked about this with 399 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: Denver bo Nix is going to get better with more starts. 400 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: They've got a young OC everybody loves, and they've got 401 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: some I don't think they have the Russell Wilson cap 402 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: hit anymore. I think they're out of that, so they 403 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: got some space. It is now depending on who the 404 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: Raiders higher. I mean between Harbaugh, Andy Reid and Sean Payton. 405 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: There's the argument it's the best coach division in the sport. 406 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: So I've always said this when you have dynasties. When 407 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: Lebron was dominating the East, who was the second best 408 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: team Toronto? So I mean part of when Nick Saban 409 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: was dominating the SEC, Kirby Smart wasn't in Georgia. The 410 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: minute he got to Georgia and Texas came into the conference, 411 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: Alabama didn't look and play the same. So I think 412 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 1: it's just it's a really hard division to win thirteen 413 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: games going forward. 414 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, a lot of shattered that the Raiders are targeting 415 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 9: Kubiak the OC for Seattle, in which case they have 416 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 9: to wait until after the Super Bowl. Here's my thing, 417 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 9: Raiders is still an attractive job because of Mendoza. 418 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 8: Would you agree? 419 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I get a really talented quarterback 420 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: and don't have to pay him big money for five 421 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: years that is attracted Isaay Raiders. 422 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 8: Is a better job than Arizona and Cleveland? 423 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and then yes absolutely, no question. It's better 424 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: than that, better than Cleveland absolutely. 425 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 8: All right, let's go to the NBA colin. 426 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 9: My guy, Lebron James, the greatest basketball player in the 427 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 9: history of the sport, obviously, is you know, voicing displeasure 428 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 9: about a new rule, talking about how much more difficult 429 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 9: the league is now with pac and speed than it 430 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 9: was in the eighties and nineties. 431 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 8: And he's arguing pretty vociferously. 432 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: Here we go, the game is different. 433 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 11: Like I want people to understand and our fans to 434 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 11: understand that playing eighty two games in the eighties and 435 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 11: nineties is not the same as playing eighty two games 436 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 11: in the twenty twenties. You know, it's a lot of 437 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 11: soft tissue injuries that's happened now because of it. I 438 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 11: hope we can get a handle on that as well, 439 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 11: you know, because that's our game. 440 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: Okay, but I would push back, Oh, okay, Yeah, you're right. 441 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: The game's faster and it's less physical. You shoot more 442 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: threes in the eighties and nineties, it was a mid 443 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: range game. You had to bump and grind to get 444 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: your shot. Go look at the Pistons and the Lakers 445 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: and the next people were tackling each other. So yes, 446 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: the game is slower then, much more physical. The guys 447 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: were flying, by the way. I don't know when it changed, 448 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: but people were flying commercial you know. That didn't happen 449 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: for a while, so, I mean the travel was tougher, 450 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: the nutrition wasn't as good. The game was more physical. 451 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: The Pistons and the Bulls these were the Celtics were 452 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean it was like full contact sport. So yeah, 453 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: the game is faster and there are some soft tissue injuries. 454 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: But the game was much more physical then and guys 455 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: still didn't miss as many games as they're missing. So yeah, 456 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: he's right, But also ask yourself this, Jay Mac, when 457 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: you're running down the floor and shooting threes and don't 458 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 1: have to initiate physicality like Luca. I went and watched 459 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: Luca the other night against the Bulls. He barely gets touched. 460 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: He shoots threes and Waltz is down and doesn't play 461 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: any defense, so he's not getting banged on very much 462 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: when Isaiah Thomas was scoring his points and Michael was 463 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: scoring his points and Bird was scoring his points. You're 464 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: getting clothes line twice. 465 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 8: A week, I know. 466 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 9: I mean, okay, I'd like to see some data to 467 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 9: back that up. But you were at that Bulls Lakers game, Colin. 468 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 9: You want to talk about eighties and nineties versus down 469 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 9: You saw it, Jackson Hayes, the center, seven footer, stole 470 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 9: the ball at the three point line, went in under 471 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 9: the legs, dunk a seven footer. 472 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, Colin. 473 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 9: The athleticism, the skilled, these guys are way better than 474 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 9: eighties and nine. 475 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: To ask you this, Yeah, the showtime Lakers didn't have 476 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: up tempo. 477 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, Kareem abdul Jabbar was not sprinting up and down 478 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 9: the floor like he's seven footers down. 479 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean with Doug Moe's Nuggets, the Suns with Nash, 480 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: those teams weren't up Tampa. People were scoring one hundred 481 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: and twenty five points went off, the three point shots 482 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: being really part of the culture like it. 483 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 9: Is today seven seconds or less with the Suns. I 484 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 9: think that was like two thousand and seven. I guess 485 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 9: the last point here is, let's not forget in the nineties. 486 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 9: It was the expansion era. You had the new teams 487 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 9: come in, four teams over I think the span of 488 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 9: seven years, and the talent was diluted. Go look at 489 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 9: some of those Michael Jordan regular season highlights. Okay, he's 490 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 9: going against guys that would not sniff the current NBA. 491 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 9: So Lebron is definitely onto something. You know, I'm gonna 492 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 9: ride from my guy Lebron, even up or down. I'll 493 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 9: call it like I see it. And the Lakers Colin 494 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 9: Austin Reeves is coming back soon. 495 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 8: Just as a reminder. I know you're excited. 496 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 9: All right, Let's go to the final story and that 497 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 9: kind souls on this staff have wedged the New York 498 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 9: Jets into the show because they're my favorite team, but 499 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 9: holly because an anonymous critic who is a former GM 500 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 9: told ESPN that Aaron Glenn with New York has done 501 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 9: nothing for the culture and that they played like a 502 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 9: a bunch of guys punching time clocks. 503 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 8: They didn't want to be there. Take it away, big guy, what. 504 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: Do you got? 505 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 8: Well? 506 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: I think the good news is next year is a 507 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: great quarterback draft class. The Jets will have the first 508 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: or second pick, which, by the way, means they could 509 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: move down to six or seven and still get one 510 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: of the top three or four quarterbacks. So in one 511 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: year from today, the conversation will be very optimistic and 512 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: very hopeful for the Jets. It's now that for the Giants, 513 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: who have a good quarterback on a rookie deal and 514 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: John Harbaugh and so now today the Giants discussions are 515 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: very positive and optimistic and should be the Jets will 516 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: be in a year. But he appears to be a coach, 517 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: and this happens all the time, that he is a coordinator, 518 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: a very good player, a very good position coach, maybe 519 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: a really good coordinator. To this point, it doesn't look 520 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: like he's going to be a great head coach. 521 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 9: And he's got an uphill climb. Let's be real, Okay, 522 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 9: they're not going to be good next year. I'm already 523 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 9: anticipating you mocking them when they lose thirty five nothing 524 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 9: in the opener. 525 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: No, they're gonna lose a lot of games. 526 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 9: You know what, I'm fine with that because we need 527 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 9: a quarterback. And no, I don't want to go Chase 528 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 9: Kyler Murray or Malik Willis. 529 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 8: Draft and develop your quarterback Jets. Just we're gonna be patient, folks. 530 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: All Right, I like positive people, aren't you go? Jmack 531 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: with the news. 532 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 533 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: herd Line News. 534 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: I don't think it's the end of the world. Like 535 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: the Jets have been bad forever. What's one more year 536 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 1: and next year you're gonna have five or six I mean, 537 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: I think the Jets are gonna end up winning like 538 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: three games, I mean max four, that they're gonna have 539 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: the first or second pick, and you're gonna have like 540 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: six quarterbacks. Next year. Arch Manning is gonna be available 541 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: and you'll be moving on to a new coach and 542 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: a new staff. And we saw what New England did 543 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: with Rabel. You get the right coach with Ben Johnson 544 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: Brabel it folks, it doesn't take long. I mean, you're 545 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: dealing with twenty five, twenty eight, thirty thirty one. You're 546 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: gonna have a ton of cap room. You're gonna have 547 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: a new coach, a new quarterback. They're going to be 548 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: bad this year, so what they've been bad forever, you're 549 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: a year away from being very very positive. I mean, 550 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: the New York Giants have been a mess for a decade. 551 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: Every Giant fan is so fired up for the season. Why. 552 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: John Harbor is an excellent coach. Jackson dart is talented 553 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: enough to be a starter. You know, They've got some 554 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: really really nice elements along the defensive line and its 555 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: skilled positions. Giants are going to be good. It's just, 556 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: you know, some of this stuff, some of these organizations 557 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: have to bottom out, like Pittsburgh Steelers are not comfortable 558 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: bottom out. Albert Breer said last hour. They don't want 559 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: to be terrible. 560 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 9: I don't. 561 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: I don't want to get that way of thinking at all. 562 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: But that's the way Pittsburgh thinks. They want to be viable. 563 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: And I think if Aaron plays in Mike McCarthy, they will, 564 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: but they'll win like nine games. We're not going to 565 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: win a super Bowl and maybe that, and they'll get 566 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: a mid first round pick and they'll need another quarterback. 567 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: The story of the day is obviously Bill Belichick not 568 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: getting in. People are outraged. I have criticized the media 569 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: before for something. It's not the end of the world. 570 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: He's going to get in. People are all worked up. 571 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: The great thing about politics and sports, it's what people 572 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: argue about and debate about in bars like, it's great, 573 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: he's going to get in. He's obviously a Hall of Famer. 574 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,400 Speaker 1: I would have voted him in. But when you look 575 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: at Bill Walsh did not get in first time he 576 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: was eligible, Vince Lombardi didn't. Joe Gibbs, who won three 577 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 1: Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, didn't get in. Don Shuler, 578 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: the winning as coach, had to wait five years until 579 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,719 Speaker 1: he was eligible. You know, they changed the methodology. Now 580 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,479 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick can get in just you know, a year 581 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: or two after he leaves the sport. Okay, that's never 582 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: been the case. So I do think some voters are like, 583 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: wait a minute, all these other coaches waited, Brady's gotta wait, 584 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: and Brady's career defines Belichick's winning. They weren't going to 585 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: make him wait a year. And a few guys talk 586 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: themselves out of it. Shouldn't have it should be a 587 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: yes or no vote. I would have voted him in, 588 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: but I and stuff like this happens. It's one of 589 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: the great things about sports is today you can contextualize it, 590 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: talk about it. Here's seth Wickersham on you know why 591 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: he thinks maybe Belichick came up short. 592 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 6: That's where things got really tricky. I think that there's 593 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 6: some voters who didn't vote for him because of Spygate 594 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 6: and because of the you know, the cheating and the 595 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 6: rule breaking. 596 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: That happened during that time. 597 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,280 Speaker 6: And then I think there's a lot of voters who 598 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 6: tried to vote for their guys with the assumption that 599 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 6: Belichick was going to get in. I think they figured 600 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 6: that it was a FATA complete and so because of that, 601 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 6: it's like this perfect storm of you know, dysfunction where 602 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 6: a guy who has eight Super Bowl rings and is 603 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 6: the second winningest coach of all time, greatest coach at 604 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 6: least of the Super Bowl era in the NFL, didn't 605 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 6: get in. 606 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: I think that's what happened. Now there's a lot of 607 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: talk about Spygate, and I think there's listen you the 608 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven Super Bowl week, Roger Goodell is 609 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: sitting there having to answer questions about Spygate. That ticked 610 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: him off. It ticked a lot of owners off, It 611 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: ticked a lot of people off, and the NFL. I 612 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: think it was Seth Wickersham, who told us had warned 613 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: Belichick for seven years about the taping. Okay, so you know, 614 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that go into the process. 615 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath. Bill's going to get in. He's 616 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: an all time great coach. It has not ended well, 617 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's not been the greatest ending to a movie. 618 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: And I'm sure Bill is disappointed. And by the way, 619 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: that's why you bring Jimmy Johnson on the show to 620 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: defend it. I think he is. It is interesting though 621 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: that when you take Brady out of his career, he 622 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: wins forty four percent of his games. That's Anthony Lynn. Now, 623 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: Now do we hold him to a higher level? And 624 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 1: was he very vital in those early Super Bowls where 625 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: Brady wasn't fully developed, of course, but it just shows you. 626 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always said this about Andy Reid and 627 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs and Don Shula. They got the Super Bowls 628 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: with multiple guys. Parcells won a Super Bowl with Jeff 629 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: Hostetler and Phil Simms, and he was Belichick's mentor. So 630 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: it's also interesting how many great coaches Parcells had issues 631 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: with Jerry Jones and Craft. Jimmy had issues with you know, 632 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones. Bill's Belichick had issues with Craft, you know, 633 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: the pro football the coach has a lot of power. 634 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: You can cut anybody basically anytime you want. The one 635 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: person they don't have power over is the owner. Because 636 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: most coaches when they get to fifteen eighteen million or whatever, 637 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: they make now and it's been this way a long time, 638 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: whoever's making. If you have a big gap in earnings 639 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: between coach and GM McVeigh and Les snead, if the 640 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: gap is significant, the coach has the power. The owner's 641 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: paying one guy this, the other guy that, but they 642 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: don't have power over the owner. And his owners now 643 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: are worth billions of dollars, not hundreds of millions, eight twelve, fifteen, 644 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: eighteen billion dollars. They have gotten a much more impulsive 645 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: and be much more willing, little vindictive to just rip 646 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: up contracts and start over. So the coach has never 647 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: had power in this league over the owner. Now sometimes 648 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: the owners they hold grudges. It gets personal, and that's 649 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: what money does to men. You know, there's a lot 650 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: of people pushing back at Robert Kraft, and I'm not 651 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: sure they're wrong on that, but that relationship has deteriorated badly, 652 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: and owners are usually going to win because they're the 653 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: boss of Roger Goodell. That's just the reality of it. 654 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: You can argue it, you can think it's wrong. I'm 655 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: not saying it's right. But you know, the owners run 656 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: this league. When I mean when Jerry Jones complained however 657 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: long ago. We have to protect our quarterbacks. It's my 658 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: number one asset. I'm paying my quarterback all this money 659 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: and you're letting people take shots of them. Suddenly the 660 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: rules change right now you can't touch quarterbacks. Well, who 661 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: do you think instituted that? Not defensive coaches, not defensive coordinators. 662 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: That's owners. I'm paying this guy fifty million. I need 663 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: him upright protect them. So you know, it's been a 664 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: fun day live in Chicago. 665 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 3: It's the Hurd. 666 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 667 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 2: in noon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 668 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 669 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 9: Saturday, we got national powerhouse and second ranked yukon on 670 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 9: Fox Primetime Hoops Alice Caravan and the Huskies stake their 671 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 9: claim as the best of the country as they take 672 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 9: on Creighton. Coverage begins Saturday night, sevent eastern and four Pacific. 673 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 8: Only on Fox. 674 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: So Jimmy Johnson and I struck up a friendship years ago. 675 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: We would talk a lot about before he would go 676 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: on the show on Sundays, I would ask him Pepperham 677 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: with questions, and he talked a lot about Bill Belichick 678 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: coming down and his admiration for Bill, and he thought 679 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: Bill was the best coach ever. And so when I 680 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: woke up this morning and Bill didn't get into the 681 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame and Jimmy Johnson was just throwing haymakers, 682 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I'm like, I got to 683 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: get Jimmy on. I want to hear his perspective. We 684 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: had seth Wickersham's perspective, we had Albert Breer's perspective, and mine, 685 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: which is it is kind of interesting. Mariano Rivera is 686 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: the only baseball player ever that got one hundred percent 687 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: of the votes. It wasn't because of sheer production. It 688 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: was because he was great and he's like the most gracious, 689 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: humble guy ever. And I do think Belichick through the 690 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: years ticked off some people. And you don't think it 691 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: should matter, but if you know a guy's going to 692 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: get into the Hall of Fame and it's his first run, 693 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: I can see some people saying, you know, screw you. 694 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: You made my life difficult and you didn't have to. 695 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: That's life. 696 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 5: You know. 697 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,919 Speaker 1: Here's Jimmy saying coaches should be eligible to get into 698 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame before players. Here is his argument. 699 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 4: Coaches are a lot older than players, and you'd like 700 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 4: to get the coach in before he's dead, you know. 701 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 4: And so, you know, because of the age of coaches, 702 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 4: it's not like they're going to retire and you know 703 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 4: when they're thirty one, they're going to retire when they're 704 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 4: sixty five. And so because of the difference in the age, 705 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 4: you know, the coaches really need to go in, you know, 706 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 4: really before they get to the point where they. 707 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 3: Can't enjoy it. 708 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting when you see somebody that is 709 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: hardened by it, like Bill Belichick later years, very hardened, 710 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: like he didn't care. But when I watched the documentary 711 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: and I watched old clips of Belichick on the podium, 712 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: he was, you know, kind of young and good looking guy. 713 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: He was actually occasionally funny with the media, and he 714 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,479 Speaker 1: turned on them. And what that really proves is Bill 715 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: does have a heart. Stuff did bother Bill? He felt 716 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: the media was unfair and he got real cranky and 717 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: a little bit vindictive. And so you know, Bill can 718 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: be framed as this ogre who doesn't care. But the 719 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: truth is the reason that them Bobby Knight did care. 720 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: It didn't bother him. And the krusty curmudgeon guy, he 721 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: is bothered by it. It's like the athlete who puts 722 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: the chest out too was always like most alpha and 723 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: then they would break down and start crying at the podium. 724 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: So with Dennis Rodman, it's all a little bit of 725 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: a front like all these people. And I asked Jimmy Johnson, 726 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: do you think this bothers Bill? Oh? 727 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: I think it hurts him. Yeah, yeah, hey call it. Well, 728 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 3: we're all bothered by it. 729 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 5: You know, when you work as hard as coaches work, 730 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 5: they're proud of what they accomplished, you know, And I'm 731 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 5: Bill's proud of what he accomplished at New England. 732 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, he had a great quarterback. 733 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 5: Minute how many pro Hall of Fame coaches didn't have 734 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 5: a great quarterback? I had Troy Aikman, Yo, no had 735 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 5: Terry Bradshaw, Walsh had, you know, Joe Montana. You all 736 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 5: it own And so you can't use that excuse. 737 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: I do think a real big part of this, and 738 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: I touched on this three hours ago, was they changed 739 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: the methodology. They suddenly said coaches don't have to wait 740 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: to get in. And I do think they're voters who 741 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: look at that and go Vince Lombardi had to wait 742 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: all those years before he was even eligible. Joe Gibbs, 743 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh, Don Shula, they had to wait five years 744 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,479 Speaker 1: before they were even eligible. Bill gets in immediately, long 745 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: before Brady. That's weird. I think some people Jimmy Johnson 746 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: talked about the voting process. 747 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 5: Some of the media might have said, well, it's a 748 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 5: Sam dunk that Bill's going in, So I'm gonna go 749 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 5: for so and so to help him get in, because 750 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 5: I know Bill's going in and so. It could have 751 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 5: been the process of picking the Hall of Fame candidates, 752 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 5: but that's still no excuse. 753 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: You pick the best you know available. Hey, listen, I'm. 754 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 5: A coach, Collin, and you know if a player doesn't 755 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 5: go in, Hey, I live with it. Okay, then you 756 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 5: get a chance next year. But I know how great 757 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 5: a coach Bill Belichick kids, and for him not to 758 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 5: go in first ballot is wrong. 759 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and that is the overwhelming sentiment today. 760 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: I do think the Hall of Fames will survive baseball. 761 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a fifteen year topic on Barry 762 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: Bonds for any radio host, fifteen years we argued about, 763 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, and my argument was always I always argued, actually, 764 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: I think that was the opposite of costas. My take was, 765 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: we don't know any of the answers, so I'm gonna 766 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: let all of them in. I'm not gonna punish Bonds 767 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: because half the pitchers throwing to them. We're on stairs, 768 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: and so unless you have all the answers, let them 769 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: all in. That was I think that was my was 770 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: my take on it is everybody thought they knew and 771 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the Mitchell Report comes out, 772 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: and there's various reports on all that guy too. I mean, 773 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: there were people that obviously, you know, their numbers wildly spiked. 774 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: But my take was, and batters got on the juice 775 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 1: before the pictures, but a pictures eventually got on the 776 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: juice too. So my take is, if you didn't have 777 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: all the answers in baseball, you really didn't know everybody 778 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,160 Speaker 1: that was on it, let them all in. It was 779 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: Roid guy against Royd guy. It was it was cream 780 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: against cream, the balco lab against this lab on the 781 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: East Coast. You didn't know, let them all in. Otherwise 782 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,720 Speaker 1: you're kind of cherry picking on you know, the Mitchell 783 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: Report focused on a couple of clubhouses. Well what about 784 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 1: that clubhouse and that clubhouse? You didn't You didn't the 785 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: Mitchell Report didn't focus on those clubhouses. 786 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 5: So, uh, you know. 787 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 1: And and my take is Bill's going to get in. 788 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: Lombardi got in, Gibbs got in, Walsh got in. I 789 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: think a lot of young people don't under They underestimate 790 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 1: how great Joe Gibbs was, and they underestimate how great 791 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: Bill Walsh was. People copied Bill Walsh. His coaching tree 792 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: is legendary. Hell, at one point, it felt like half 793 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: of the league's coaches came from you were using Walsh's 794 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: offense or came from his coaching tree. I mean, he 795 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: had so much influence. I mean you talked to older 796 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: coaches now, they talk about the late Bill Walsh in 797 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: utter reverence and so whereas Belichick doesn't have much of 798 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: a coaching tree. But the guys he's close to, the 799 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: handful of guys he's close to, he is really close 800 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 1: to and Jimmy Johnson is one of those guys. So 801 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: it is crazy, though, the influence Brady has on Belichick's career, 802 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: it really is amazing. Belichick without Brady, his team's averaged 803 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,359 Speaker 1: nineteen points. Again with Brady as closer to twenty nine 804 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: to thirty. He won seventy seven percent of his games 805 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: with Brady forty four or forty five percent without. 806 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 3: Like it. 807 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: It just goes to show you it didn't matter if 808 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 1: it's broadcasting or quarterback play. Brady's impact, I mean, he's 809 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: just it's just substantial and as good as a coach is. 810 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: That's why I always said Andy Reid's underrated. Andy Reid 811 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: got to a Super Bowl with Donovan McNabb, who is 812 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 1: considered you know, okay, good, above average. But I mean 813 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: Andy Reid won with virtually everybody. Well he didn't win 814 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: Super Bowl well, I mean by Belichick's winning forty five 815 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: percent of us. He hit Drew Bltz, so that's pretty good, right. 816 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 1: He had Cam Newton at the end. I mean, so 817 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,919 Speaker 1: you know, this stuff out there is I think it's 818 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: a fascinating topic. I once had a Heisman vote. I 819 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: always thought that was insanely provincial and regional. The West 820 00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,920 Speaker 1: Coast guy would vote for this guy. The Southern guy 821 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: would vote for that guy. I thought it was just nonsense. 822 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 1: J Mark Fun Show Today. Would you have voted him in? 823 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 4: J Mark? 824 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 9: Listen, I'm a Jets fan and I do not like 825 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 9: anything Patriots. Of course you're voting Belichick. Come on, it's 826 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,839 Speaker 9: a no brainer. It's embarrassing. 827 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 8: Listen. I know that you said the Hall of Fame 828 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 8: will survive. 829 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 9: It's just a bad look for Craft, Polly and all 830 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 9: these old guys who are you know want the spotlight 831 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:23,800 Speaker 9: to themselves. 832 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 8: It's an ugly look for the league. 833 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so will Spygate, by the way, also true. Yeah, 834 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,320 Speaker 1: it was not a great look for the league. Seven 835 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: years they told him stop taping here Belichick style. I'll 836 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: do it on my terms. 837 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 8: He was never suspended.