WEBVTT - Ep23 Chris Forsberg 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.680 Welcome back to another episode of Car Stories with Song 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:10.160 Kang and Amelia Hartford. 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:11.840 What's the question today? 0:00:12.720 --> 0:00:14.360 Are you a good gift giver? 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:16.320 No? I'm horrible. 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:16.760 Yeah. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:21.600 I found that there are these websites like winebasket dot com. Okay, 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.160 and then it's just a matter of like, okay, it's. 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:25.400 Just how much money I want to spend? 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:25.960 Yeah, is this. 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.040 Person one hundred dollars gift two hundred, three hundred or whatever? 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.040 And it's like it makes it super easy, sure, right, 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.360 and you're like, wow, that looks glorious, right, but to 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.760 actually go somewhere to like if I had to buy 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:38.600 you a gift. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.080 Like, yeah, am I a fifty dollars friend? One hundred 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:41.720 dollar friend? 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.360 Two hundred dollars? That's the problem, you tell me? So? 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:45.600 Or is it? 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:47.120 Do I make you something? 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:48.640 Do you make things? 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:48.960 Yeah? 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.840 I draw, I like paint stuff. 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.960 Okay, I'd more appreciate something like that, you would, right, Yeah, Yeah, 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:55.800 I feel like those are the most meaningful gifts. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.960 The worst gift. I hate this gift. 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.520 And I hope my like agents and managers and lawyers 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.520 are listening to this, like this, there's a Hollywood gift. 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.800 They send you this card and they go on, your behalf, 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:14.640 we've donated such and such amount to blah blah blah 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:15.720 organization and. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.080 Hate that I got the same gift this year. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.039 I hate that gift. I'm like, we got that gift? 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.560 Is this like thank you for what? Right? Like putting 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:25.240 it in my name? 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.680 I'm like, come on, get me some cized chocolate or 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:28.679 some hotel toilet. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:30.319 Try don't feed the starving children. 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:36.480 Yeah, exactly, Look right, that's a come on, that's a 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.120 that's a that's a weird gift. 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:39.280 That's a JANKI gift. 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.319 I think it'd be sweeter if they let us pick 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.720 the charity. But they have an organization that they work. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.600 With, And yeah, I don't. I don't want that gift. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.200 Do you want your agents and lawyers to draw you 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:48.639 a painting? 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:50.080 I appreciate that. 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.520 You know, my one of my agents, Frank, who is 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.280 your agent too, He gives listening to this, he gives 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:58.720 the best, best gifts. 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.559 He will make you like a collage of the year. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:02.840 What the hell? Frank? 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:03.480 Right? 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:04.640 And I'm like, you did this. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:06.680 I haven't received a yearly clause. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.360 Well you will, real I mean, because he loves photos 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.960 and he'll like create this whole poster. 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.760 And you're like, Frank, you actually went out and made this, 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:16.520 And he goes. 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.399 Yeah, Frank seems like a good gift giver. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:20.680 Yeah, he's a great gift giver. Are you a good 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:21.120 gift giver? 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.600 If I try, I can be At the very least. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.640 I try to write people letters. I like whenever I travel, 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.960 Like you've noticed, I like to bring back little knickknacks 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.120 for friends and stuff. I don't necessarily believe in only 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.560 giving a gift for a birthday once a year. I 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.280 like to give people little gifts throughout the entire year, 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:41.880 just so you know that you're thinking of them. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.720 Yeah, you gave me a gift yesterday. I did maple 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:46.919 syrup candy lollipop. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.200 Yeah, shaped like a maple leaf. I brought it back 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:50.040 from Canada. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.040 I got me in trouble yesterday. Why because I left 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.400 it in the car and it melted. No, no, no. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:58.200 And then I went straight home and then we had 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.359 to go to the Pet Star, my wife and I 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:06.600 and she goes, what is that marijuana candy? I was like, mariju, 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.800 that's marijuana. Are you getting stoned at the podcast? 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:10.880 And I'm like no. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.880 She went to Canada and guys, She's like, well, that 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:15.280 looks like marijuana candy to me. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:18.400 That's funny. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.359 Yeah, but no, thank you for that kid. That's that's 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.919 a that's a good way to give gifts just throughout 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.840 the year. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to be more I 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.600 guess less. Maybe hoarding is the word, because I have 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.640 all this stuff, right, there are things that just end 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:35.400 up stacking. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.960 Like I can't stand that I threw everything out, not 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.400 like things, not things that people give me. Just I 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.240 live a very minimalist lifestyle. 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:47.920 But okay, let's say somebody gave you five key chains 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.120 and you know you only need one, or you don't 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:51.680 even need. 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.560 Any merch if a company were going on. Yeah, I 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.120 have so many people in my life. I would be 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.360 so happy to take them from me. All take what 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.280 I'll use. I don't. I'm not one who if I'm 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:05.000 not going to use it, not do anything with it. 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:05.600 Yeah. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.120 I'm trying to give away everything, yeah this year because 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:10.040 I go, Okay, this guy loves hats. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.400 Well, there's someone who'll probably appreciate it more than you might. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.160 Yeah, because I have a need for it. 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.680 Even Yeah, I don't appreciate it, but I think because 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.520 maybe when I was younger, I had nothing, like I 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:20.919 want to like have everything. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:22.800 Yeah, right, so it's harder to let go. 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.039 My mom held onto everything, which is why now I'm like, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.039 I can't. I don't want anything. 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:28.479 Huh. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.680 So is your like house sparse? 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.120 I just don't keep knick knacks and things. I don't 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.240 even have like my high school yearbooks. I really don't 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:37.840 have photos of me as a kid. I have the 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.039 stuff I use every day. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:43.760 But yeah, huh, that's good. That's a minimalism. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:44.280 I have. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.039 I've started keeping a little box of memories and it's 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.600 like a little small box that I just put in 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:51.240 the top of a closet. So I'm like, well, maybe 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.080 I should keep some stuff to look back. That's been 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:54.120 like the past year or two. 0:04:55.440 --> 0:04:56.840 Yeah. But you collect. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.560 Cars, Yeah, I do collect cars. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:59.760 It's hard to get rid of those. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:00.760 Can't get rid of those. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:02.480 I'm trying to get rid of my cars. 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:03.200 I'll take them. 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:04.080 I'm sure you will. 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:11.200 You have enough anyways, speaking of cool cars, our next 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:16.080 guest is well, we call him the winningest professional drift 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.880 driver in history. Yeah, a living legend literally, Chris Forsburg. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:25.479 Yeah, pro driver, he is a very successful businessman, and 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.880 it was cool to sit down and talk about the 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:29.760 headspace that you have to be in to be a 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:30.720 competitive person. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.960 Yeah, and having balance with that, yeah, that letting that 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:35.800 competitive spirit be toxic. 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:36.240 Right. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.200 So you know, I've known Chris for years, but I 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.960 don't know him, and today it was nice to actually 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.400 sit down and get to know the man behind this myth. 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:50.559 You know, winningest drift driver in history. So, without further ado, 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:58.800 Chris Forsburg, there's such a technical approach that you take 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.800 with driving. You know when I listen to you talk, 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.440 and it's amazing that you're self taught. I mean, correct 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.720 me if I'm misquoting this, but like the winningest professional 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:18.159 trust driver in history, Chris like self taught, Like I think, 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.039 I don't think people are aware of, like, you know, 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.880 your accomplishments in the sport, right, I mean the winning. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:30.880 This winning is. 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.000 It's a funny word to say, but yeah, because it's 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:36.520 it kind of goes across different accolades because we have 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.480 I say we me you know, you include the team, right, 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.679 It's like you know you always say we, but yeah, 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.400 I have the most podiums and formal drift I'm tied 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.359 with most championships with James and Osmo, and I have 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.159 the most head to head battle wins. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.279 So you got to walk through this the origin and 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.679 the history for us, because it's how did it start? 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.919 Like how do you teach yourself to be the winningest 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:01.800 in history? 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:03.800 But did you see yourself? 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:08.360 How many more times can we say? 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:14.000 So it's no, It's interesting because I wasn't like fully 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.080 into cars when I was young, but like my uncle, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:18.520 like he was in the drag racing My grandfather like 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:20.960 worked on a drag card team, and so like we 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:22.880 went out to like a couple of NHR races and 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:28.880 so I'm like, wow, like Boston, No, I'm from Pennsylvania. 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.400 We went to a couple of drag races and like yeah, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.000 like Andrews allowed, cars are fast. 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:33.440 This is cool. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.240 But like it kind of start and ended there. And 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.679 then my cousin he was a flat track motorcycle racer 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.480 about the same age as me, like maybe a year 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.600 or two older. I went to a couple of his races, 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:42.960 same thing, like oh, this is cool, but like I 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.960 didn't like pursue that right, And it didn't really change 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:48.400 for me until my brother is two years older, and 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.160 like our group of friends are about a year. 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.080 Older, and sobody one of two three. 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:55.560 I have a younger sister, older brother and so uh So, 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.520 when my brother and his friends all got their licenses 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.600 and they started to kind of like getting cars, Like 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.800 he had a Chevy Blazer at first, and then but 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.960 a couple of our friends had like the Hondas, right 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.280 and like one out of Volks So I want a 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.720 little civic things like that. So we kind of got 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.280 into the car scene through them, right because he's like 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.440 buying his Quarterer Intake and things like that, We're like, wow, like, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.280 you know, those sports cars are cool, and you know, 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:24.160 the import scene more so. And so he got a 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:29.160 Mitsubishi uh and my buddies got Hondas and we started 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:31.240 to learn how to work on them ourselves. Like my 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.320 parents had a house with a barn, and we converted 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.000 one of the stalls into a little garage, and so 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:40.040 everyone would bring their cars over our place. And then 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.679 myself and my buddy Tony Angelo, who I met through 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.120 my brother as well, we're all just kind of into cars, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.840 and he had a little more knowledge about cars than 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.360 I did, and so he kind of taught me some 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.560 of the basics and then from there together we like 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.920 learned how to fabricate. We're building our own like turbomanifolds 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.360 and like you know, making our own exhaust things like that, 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:02.719 and basically like you know, souping these cars up ourselves 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.800 back in like two thousand, like ninety nine time. And 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.920 you know, the way that we learned was just you know, 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:14.200 Internet forums things like that, read magazines because not everything 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.920 was available to us. We weren't just doing bolt on parts. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.440 We're like building our own stuff because I had I 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.600 at that time in two thousand, got my RC seven, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.280 and so there wasn't really many options for like we're 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.920 trying to buy like intercol or kids from like Yahoo Japan, 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.720 like turbo kids things like that, and you know, stuff 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.520 would show up, it be like banged up, dented, and. 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.040 We're like, well, let's just make it ourselves. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.720 So pick up an intercol or core and you know, 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.679 welding up you know, steel pipes because we couldn't take 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.360 a while aluminum yet and things like that. So we learned 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.120 how to do all this ourselves by trial and error. 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.160 I blew up like five motors in that car, learned 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.760 how to rebuild the rotary motors, you know, ourselves like 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.679 me and Tony were just take it apart in the 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.400 living room and you know, how does this thing work? 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.160 Just use the manual and put it back together. And 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.679 so everything that we did was basically self taught, like 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.840 not only the driving but the mechanical and the tuning 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:05.520 side as well, because there just wasn't any availability to 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.400 us out there in Pennsylvania. There was very very few 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.960 tuning shops, uh, and then the ones that did exist 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:12.400 we couldn't afford anyway. 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:13.360 You know, so we're just like, well, let's just do 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:13.880 it ourselves. 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.000 It was all pretty easy until we tried to make 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.040 like basically more than four hundred horsepower. Like as soon 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:20.679 as we like kind of hit that realm. 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.000 Four was a lot at that time, it. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.280 Was yeah, yeah, So we we got pretty much all 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.120 of our cars, like the Hondas were making like three 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.679 hundred wheel like our Arc sevens were like three fifty 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.079 wheels stuff like that. And basically as soon as we're 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.840 trying to like hit that next level, like we're just 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:35.679 breaking things left and right. We couldn't figureut how to 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:36.680 keep the engines together. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.320 So, but how did you learn what drifting was. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.320 So, yeah, like I didn't really know what drifting was. 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.719 But I got my ARC seven first, and I got 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.560 the ARC seven because Tony Angelo told my brother that 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:50.920 that's what I should get because I didn't know what 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.200 I wanted to get, which this was in two thousand 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:55.760 ft fc FC. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:56.400 Yeah. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.000 Yeah, So we kind of like fell into drifting because 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.120 of the car that I got, if that makes sense. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.680 So I got the RC seven because Tony you know, 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.319 basically was like, oh, this is a rear road drive car, 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.880 comes with the turbo. It's cool, right, And I like 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:11.520 look them up and I'm like, yeah, they look look 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.360 cool and everything else. What I was saying was my 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.320 old AOL name was Import Turbo, right, because I didn't 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:19.960 know what I wanted, but I wanted to import. I 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.880 wanted to have a turbo, that's all I know. And 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.040 so landed on the ARC seven. I was like, this 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.079 is cool. It's like a little exotic, right, It's got 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.280 this weird motor in it. That was the car that 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.160 we like learned how to fabricate and everything else. And 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.880 so in doing so, when you start making like, you know, 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.240 three four hundred horsepower, it naturally just burns the tires 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:39.360 and the more we were reading about what to do 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.760 to RC seven's, you know, you kind of start landing on, 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.960 you know, the Japanese websites. There's not too much you know, 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:46.679 on the American side of what people are doing to 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.760 like R seven except for drag racing. Yeah, and so like, yeah, 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.480 you're searching for intercoler kids, suspension kids, and you just 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.679 keep finding drift cars. Right, So we slowly, you know, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:00.120 are falling into these websites about drifting. And then and 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.160 one of Tony's friends over in Japan, who was based 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.840 over there, he was sending us a real player videos 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.360 of cars drifting because you know this before YouTube even existed. Yeah, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:14.040 and so we're like getting these like you know, pixelated 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.760 videos of like cars drifting around, and we're just like, 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:20.600 that's awesome, I want to do that. And so all 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:22.400 in the same time, when we're like blowing up our 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.480 cars trying to make a whole lot of horsepower, we're like, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.720 let's actually like not make so much and make them 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.600 drift cars. And around that same time, we went to 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.800 like my high school parking lot, took a couple cones 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.280 out there and basically tried to drift through it. Like 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.240 we didn't even know what we're doing. We just watched 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.199 a couple videos of like, you know, this is when 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.480 we started to find out about initial D and we 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:48.040 watched all that, and we found out about you know option, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.840 you know, watching the VHS tapes and so we're just 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.920 looking at the in car footage and you know, like 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:55.839 for the first like year or two, like I never 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.800 even pulled the handbrake. Didn't ever think that would you know, 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:00.880 be a part of drifting. And so you know, we 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.880 see him like you know, turning in and pulling on this. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:04.400 It's all in Japanese, so we have no idea what 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.720 they're saying, and we're like, oh, like okay, pull the 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.680 way home. Pull that like makes the car rotate, like okay. 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.080 And so it was just all trial and error like 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.720 for the first like two years, and then we eventually 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.440 figured out how to control the car and be able 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.240 to drift it around purposely and you know, without spinning out. 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:23.800 And that was all like yeah, leading up to about 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.520 two thousand and three, and that's when myself, Tony, Matt 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:30.560 Petty and this other guy Eric went to English Town 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.319 and pitched doing the first drifting events out there. So 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.760 it was the first organized drifting events, which is now 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.240 Club Loose, the longest running drift events in the country. 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:40.920 That's so cool. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:42.839 Wow, so you were in high school. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.280 Man, Yeah, yeah, I just graduated. Yeah. So yeah, I 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.040 got my car when I was a senior. 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:53.520 Wow, just self taught from initial d And yeah, that's crazy. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.000 Did you like right away connect to it? Did you go, 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.280 I love this, this is like my my body. 0:13:58.520 --> 0:13:59.199 Yeah right, and. 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:02.920 Yeah, it just just always felt like being in the car, 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.720 like was where I wanted to be, like, you know, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.240 love driving, love cruising, love you know, being at the 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:10.680 racetrack things like that. But I really do like the 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.640 build and that's what got me into cars to begin with. 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.359 Building cars, like I find that to be as rewarding 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:17.280 as driving. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.040 So the method to the madness or like see behind 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:25.120 the curtain of like, you know, successful people. It's interesting 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.520 that we're having this conversation because I was like, what 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.680 makes Chris the winningest? 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.760 Right in it for a long time. 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.240 But also you know the car, Chris, like you know 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.840 it insight out drivers that don't even change the oil 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:42.200 in their cars, right. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.600 So there's drivers who don't even truthfully know what they're driving. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:47.040 Yeah, yeah. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.320 I mean, you know, it's just it's just different approach, 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:54.000 right to some people that benefits them right to not 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.480 have a connection to the car, right because for me, 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:57.720 it's like I don't want to break it. I don't 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:03.360 want to because you know, like peopable, so it can 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.400 be a detriment as well to like know how hard 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:07.360 to push it If you. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.160 Hear a noise it almost you get in your head 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:10.680 a little bit of what could I have broken? 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:12.600 Yep, and then you know, like how much is this 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.320 going to cost to fix it? Because you I'm also 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.280 the owner of the team, and so you know, you 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:18.000 might not want to like, you know, just blow the 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:20.000 motor up, you know, for the sake of game will 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.120 more lap in. Whereas if you're just the guy that 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.280 shows up and it's like where's the star button, like 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.000 you're not going to treat it with any sort of exactly. 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.000 So you know, I try to be hands off at 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.040 the track, so it's better that way. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.200 Yeah, keep that in the game. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.560 Yeah, I try to have that separation. 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.360 But yeah, like so, like I was saying, I I 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.080 truthfully like enjoy the building. I love the process, you know, 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.960 trying to create new things like the my dots and 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:47.840 it's like how we met. The first time was I 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.920 built the two eighty Z, took it out to Sema, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.800 did the RB conversion, did the you're talking about the goal, 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.040 I know what you're talking about. Yeah, And so his 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.160 debut the year before, and you won the Grand Trismo 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.320 Best in Show, and then I debut mine the next 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.080 year and then we got the Grand Turismo a board 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.080 best Import too, so it was pretty cool. 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:11.840 Yeah. And then years later she's in Grand Tourist. Yeah 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:12.600 and then there I. 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:16.920 Go, I know, so h yeah, so that was cool 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.680 and yeah, like we got to do that. Like Nissan 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.800 shut just recently, so that was probably right after you 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:22.840 filmed with him, right. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.200 Yeah, yeah, that's how the I wouldn't say that's how, 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:31.840 but the Nissan relationship definitely strengthened after doing a movie 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.520 about Nissan. It. Yeah, the first car I ever owned was 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.200 in Infinity. The first car ever fully built was a Nissan, 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.640 so that heritage has run deep since it's all beginning. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.040 So it was cool to be able to do GT 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.440 and then us doing that shoot together at Willow was 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:45.120 pretty awesome. 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:45.600 Yeah. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.520 Yeah, that was really fun. Yeah, I got to do 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.960 I got to be a judge for a GT Academy 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:54.120 back in I think it was twenty twelve, I want 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.680 to say, but yeah, flew out to Silverstone, the whole 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.560 thing was set up. We had a little drift challenge, yeah, 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.800 out there part of it. So that was cool experience 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:02.160 as well. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.520 So from amateur high school self, it's drifting because I 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.159 want to share this with the listeners out there, and 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.600 I'm curious as well. So then how do you get 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.159 to the pro level? Like did you eventually have to 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:16.040 have like a coach? 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.720 Yeah, it was two thousand and three, like I mentioned, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.280 and that was when we just started those events over 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.800