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Speaker 1: Here we go, it's our two. We are live in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: It's The Herd. John. I was thinking about this today.

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Speaker 1: We were talking as a staff, and I said, we

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Speaker 1: know that Belichick when he lost Brady regressed badly. And

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Speaker 1: we know Andy Reid is basically unbeatable in a close game.

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Speaker 1: He was a good coach in Philadelphia virtually now unbeatable

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Speaker 1: in the AFC and close games, even against Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert and C. J. Stroud and Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrows. I'm actuallyunbeatable in close games. Why coaches matter,

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Speaker 1: but we know quarterbacks matter more. Belichick, Brady, Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: mahomes like as great as those coaches are, it's a

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Speaker 1: seventy to thirty split. And so we did this with

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Speaker 1: the Bears yesterday, and I want to do it with

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. If you ever decided disadvantage going in any

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Speaker 1: game at head coach or quarterback, it's really really hard

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Speaker 1: to win. And so I looked at the Cowboys schedule.

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Speaker 1: Now I won't count Philadelphia because Jalen Hurts is somewhere

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Speaker 1: between the eighth and tenth best quarterback and Dak, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, is somewhere between eleventh, twelfth, and thirteenth. So

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's a decided advantage Hurts, who I

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Speaker 1: like more over Dak. Sirianni don't love him, but I

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Speaker 1: get him. Schottenheimer don't like it all in terms of

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Speaker 1: a head coach of an NFL franchise in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: So I'll take Philadelphia out. Week four, they face Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: The Packers decided head coaching disadvantage loss Week seven, Washington

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Speaker 1: decided quarterback disadvantage loss. Following week week eight, Denver head

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Speaker 1: coach disadvantage loss. Week thirteen, Kansas City decided coach and

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Speaker 1: quarterback disadvantage loss at Detroit, quarterback disadvantage loss. Minnesota head

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Speaker 1: coach disadvantage loss. Chargers next week, coach quarterback disadvantage loss

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Speaker 1: at Washington at least quarterback disadvantage loss. That's eight losses

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Speaker 1: and Vegas is over underwin total of the Cowboys, sure enough,

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Speaker 1: it's at seven and a half. I would take the under,

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Speaker 1: but it's seven and a half. So that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: the Raiders almost with a quarterback head coaching disadvantage, almost

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Speaker 1: beat the Chiefs, and by the way, Arizona clobbered the

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Speaker 1: Rams last year. But Kyler Murray played a perfect football game.

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Speaker 1: I'm not joking. He literally had a perfect quarterback passer rating.

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Speaker 1: It was his best game arguably as a pro. Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison was uncoverable, Kyler Murray was perfect. And I think

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in the NFL, and I

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Speaker 1: really believe this that really like Arizona's coach Jonathan Agannon,

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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people. He took them

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Speaker 1: from four and thirteen to eight and nine last year,

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Speaker 1: and they were in a lot of games even though

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Speaker 1: they were banged up. So that's kind of how I

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Speaker 1: feel on Dallas is that if you have a quarterback

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Speaker 1: or head coach clear disadvantage, it's incredibly hard to win

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Speaker 1: in this league. Now, roster composition matters, ownership, as our

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Speaker 1: next guest knows, really matters, and without I bring on

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer fifteen years, three time pro bowler, you know

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Speaker 1: who I was talking about this earlier. I think quarterback's

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Speaker 1: actually undervalued, and we all know you're the most important position.

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Speaker 1: And I also think ownership matters, roster composition, head coach.

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Speaker 1: But Andy Reid we knew was good. Now he's unbeatable.

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Speaker 1: Belichick was great, Brady Leaves not as great. The guy

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Speaker 1: I have defended as Joe Burrow because and you know

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Speaker 1: this situation. I said this about a week ago on

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Speaker 1: we do Peyton Manning. Is that you were in a

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Speaker 4: I think resigning T Higgins kind of put out a

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Speaker 4: little bit of that fire that has been starting. But

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Speaker 4: if you just look at the organization over the last

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Speaker 4: They didn't hit on all the all the free agent

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Speaker 4: spend the money. They've showed Joe that they're willing, you know,

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Speaker 4: they have done that. So they've showed the support.

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Speaker 4: I think they're still working through a number of things,

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Speaker 4: especially on the defensive side of the ball. But defending

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, I'm in the same court. I think he's

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Speaker 4: he doesn't have to score thirty eight points every week

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Speaker 1: Do contract disputes like Hendrickson and Micah. As a former

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Speaker 1: star player, you want to support that player. I mean,

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Speaker 1: even if you acquire him, I'm for like, if he's

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Speaker 1: Does it disrupt meetings? Does it? Does it? What does

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Speaker 4: Now, it's just part of the deal. I don't think

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Speaker 4: people are surprised. I don't think people get annoyed. I

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Speaker 4: think the biggest thing with Micah's situation is he hasn't practiced.

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Speaker 4: He's not physically ready. So, like we're all kind of

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Speaker 4: saying the same thing, they're eventually going to pay him

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Speaker 4: right probably right before the start of the season or

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Speaker 4: maybe in the second week. The problem is, then you

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Speaker 4: games and the preparation that a guy like Mike Micah

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Speaker 3: So I think that's the biggest issue. In the biggest

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Speaker 4: Protecting his body because he's not under a new contract

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Speaker 4: and he's not physically ready to play.

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Speaker 3: He's going to really.

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Speaker 4: Start practicing as soon as this contract situation gets filtered.

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Speaker 4: Out and then he's getting in shape, and then he

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Speaker 4: endure a seventeen week season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have said in your era, in Eli

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Speaker 1: full years, I'll start making harsh judgments. Thanksgiving year three,

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Speaker 1: the world's changed seven on seven camps, summer camps, personal coaching,

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Speaker 1: a decision. So I'm okay with the cult saying that

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richards it's not working, like we just don't think

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Speaker 1: at Caleb Williams and I think, Okay, we got the coach, right,

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Speaker 1: I think, and Caleb's so darn talented. When would you

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Speaker 1: is it a number of games or is it something

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Speaker 1: you see? And the Bears have never gotten quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Do you just say we're giving this kid three years? Period,

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Speaker 1: We're giving him three years.

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Speaker 4: I think the talent and the success he had at

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Speaker 4: the collegiate level, he deserves three years.

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Speaker 3: No doubt.

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Speaker 4: And this is I mean, you pair him up with

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Speaker 4: the head coach that's there. Now, you know if he

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Speaker 4: has an opportunity to be the quarterback. We all saw

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Speaker 4: that that we thought he was going to be that

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Speaker 4: first year when he was at SC. I think the

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Speaker 4: sky's the limit. I mean, there is no better opportunity

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Speaker 4: caller for him to play for. I think we'll see

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Speaker 4: it by week five, by week six. I wouldn't even

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Speaker 4: wait all the way till Thanksgiving because there's a resume

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Speaker 3: I think Anthony Richards in a different situation.

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Speaker 4: You know, he was a high risk, you know, high

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Speaker 4: reward type player because he was so athletically gifted, without

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Speaker 4: having the resume and success at the collegiate level that

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Speaker 4: Caleb had. And you think back to that Florida year

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Speaker 4: He wasn't ultra you know, successful like Caleb was in college.

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Speaker 4: And so he was a really high risk, high reward guy.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think what we saw on college

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Speaker 1: So as a quarterback, you hear about Caleb's footwork. Here

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Speaker 1: he holds the ball too long as a quarterback? What

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Speaker 1: is correctable through coaching? And is there anything that you

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Speaker 1: of innate. It's who you are. You couldn't be coached

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the footwork and the you know, the

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Speaker 4: technique of the game is so big and so easily fixable.

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Speaker 4: It just takes rep after rep after rep after rep.

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Speaker 4: And so, you know, I think he's got the right coach,

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Speaker 4: like I was saying, you know, to really really put

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Speaker 4: teach are being able to stand in the pocket when

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Speaker 3: That's the biggest issue you see, guys.

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Speaker 4: Is when you get the NFL and you're getting hit

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Speaker 4: throw with anticipation. Those things you can't teach. Those things

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Speaker 4: the fundamentals of the game. I mean that starts in

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Speaker 4: February as soon as he takes some time off after

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Speaker 4: the season, and I'm sure he's been doing that with

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Speaker 4: the coaching staff there in Chicago this offseason.

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Speaker 1: So Matt Stafford's got a back issue, which is I

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Speaker 1: don't care what profession we're talking about, in any labor

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Speaker 1: intensive work environment, backs for a problem. Are were there

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Speaker 1: times in your career because you were a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: you maybe hurt more than you let on, that you

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Speaker 1: were in more pain, that you are more concerned with

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Speaker 1: your body, But because you were Carson, you were the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: you didn't tell the coaches, you didn't let on. Is

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Speaker 1: it possible Stafford's being a good soldier here, but he's

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Speaker 1: got a real issue physically and be just talking to

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Speaker 1: announce it to the He's just going to play through

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Speaker 1: it because he's a tough guy. He's been a tough

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's happening in every locker room.

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Speaker 4: It's not just the quarterback position, but really with the

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Speaker 4: quarterback position because everything is scrutinized so greatly. There's definitely

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Speaker 4: some issues. There's definitely injuries that guys don't you know,

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Speaker 4: let the media know about that. The team tries to

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Speaker 4: really limit on the amount of information that is disclosed

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Speaker 4: about something like a back issue.

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Speaker 3: But mass resume speaks for itself.

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Speaker 4: He's done it, you know, ever since his day's back

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Speaker 4: playing for the Detroit Lions, where he wouldn't practice maybe

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Speaker 5: Yesterday the Colts announced that Daniel Jones had won the

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Speaker 5: team starting job over Anthony Richardson phone the News, Richardson's

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Speaker 5: agent stopped short of demanding a trade, but instead said,

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Speaker 5: of the relationship with the front office, we have a

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Speaker 5: lot to discuss. Trust is a big factor and at

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Speaker 5: best that is questionable right now.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Richardson took the high road about the decision.

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Speaker 9: No, he made a decision. No, that's the decision. We

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Speaker 9: got to live. But you know, no hard feelings and

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Speaker 9: never's personal. I just got to keep growing, you know,

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Speaker 9: I just can't let me not being a starter, you know,

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Speaker 9: stop me from growing and being the person the player

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Speaker 9: now is supposed to be. So I just got to

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Speaker 9: stay fugued and keep grinding.

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Speaker 1: I love his attitude. He seemed like a really nice kid.

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Speaker 1: He's just he just had By the way, bo next

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Speaker 1: got sixty one college starts, Jade and Daniel got fifty

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Speaker 1: five college starts. It's like you said earlier, the clock

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Speaker 1: has changed. We're not giving you three years. So if

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Speaker 1: you come in with thirteen college starts, you're at a

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Speaker 1: huge disadvantage and you're immediately on the clock.

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Speaker 5: My question is this, It is difficult, especially for young players,

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Speaker 5: most of them, to just be super outspoken about their

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Speaker 5: true feelings. Maybe the agent was actually speaking what Anthony

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Speaker 5: Richardson really can't say to the public. Do you think

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Speaker 5: this is untenable and he's going to be traded in

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Speaker 5: the next couple of weeks, or if you're the Colts,

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Speaker 5: he just keep him around.

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Speaker 2: Can you do that to your locker room? It's kind

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Speaker 2: of a bizarre situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, did you notice yesterday that the Colts and Shane

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Speaker 1: stiken made a point And I'm sure Ballard and Stikeen

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Speaker 1: talked about this when they named Daniel Jones the starter.

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Speaker 1: They said for the season. They wanted to make it

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Speaker 1: clear this wasn't a go either way thing. Here's our starter,

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Speaker 1: it's for this season. No reason to ask questions. Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson is officially the backup, and I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of it is Daniel Jones is just more consistently accurate.

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Speaker 1: He can distribute the ball. But I thought the way

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Speaker 1: they announced it was very clear is we're kind of

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Speaker 1: moving on. And that also sends a signal to the league.

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Speaker 1: Anybody want to give us a draft pick, We're open

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Speaker 1: to discussions.

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Speaker 5: Well, to me, that's why if I'm less need, if

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Speaker 5: I'm Bret Veach, obviously we have an established starter. We

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Speaker 5: even feel good about our backups. But this is a

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Speaker 5: true he's not playing anyway. So if I'm Andy Reid,

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Speaker 5: I got a little downtime during the week, I'm working

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Speaker 5: with this guy. Maybe he's an asset in the offseason

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Speaker 5: I can trade.

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Speaker 2: We've seen Sean McVeigh do this with Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 6: I do have to.

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Speaker 2: Wonder if some teams a lot of.

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Speaker 5: People liked him a lot coming out of college, a

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Speaker 5: row product, but if you can get him, I don't

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Speaker 5: know for a fifth round pick. Jerry was nuts when

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Speaker 5: he traded a fourth for Trey Lance. I don't think

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Speaker 5: anyone would go near that number, but maybe a conditional fifth,

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Speaker 5: maybe a sixth. I think a lot of teams would

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Speaker 5: be very interested about just having a guy they can

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Speaker 5: work with in practice.

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Speaker 1: The pain, Yeah, I will say, remember when he pulled

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Speaker 1: himself out of a game, that's.

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Speaker 2: A tough one. That's a tough one.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with that. I think

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit of a red flag to some player,

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Speaker 1: some gms in the league.

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Speaker 5: It felt like that unofficially ended his Colt's career that moment,

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Speaker 5: and they've never kind of looked back, speaking of a

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Speaker 5: career just getting started. The Patriots drafted running back Travon

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Speaker 5: Henderson out of Ohio State with their second round pick

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Speaker 5: this offseason, and he's already made a big impact this preseason,

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Speaker 5: so much so that the friend of the show, Julian Edelman,

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Speaker 5: believes he could be the drafts ultimate selection.

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Speaker 10: Trevon Henderson's probably steal the draft. I think that's the

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Speaker 10: kind of guy you need to draft that becomes part

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Speaker 10: of that nucleus with Drake.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's that's how you build your.

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Speaker 10: Team just from hearing you know, coaches speak about him

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Speaker 10: with his maturity, the way he is as a professional,

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Speaker 10: that's gonna be really good. If he can go out

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Speaker 10: and have production, then everyone, you know, everyone's gonna see

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Speaker 10: how he works, how he is as a person on

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Speaker 10: and off the field, and it makes the other guys

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Speaker 10: in the locker room like, man, that's why he's doing this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Generally, to be a great team or an ascending team,

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Speaker 1: you need to find a gem a George Kittle in

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Speaker 1: the fifth round, like right, most I mean Travis Kelcey,

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Speaker 1: most great team Dynasty's Gronk was not an early pick.

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Speaker 1: Most of the time, when you look at some of

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Speaker 1: the great teams of all time, they found a steal

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Speaker 1: somewhere in the draft. I mean Brady, they didn't have

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Speaker 1: to pay for five years. Now, this is a second

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Speaker 1: round player, But if I told you he was the

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Speaker 1: rookie of the year, would you be shocked with Rabel's

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Speaker 1: style of coaching.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean think of the guy I've Rabel coached

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Speaker 5: and became a Hall of Fame player in Tennessee. Derrick

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Speaker 5: Henry second round pick, the second round is often viewed

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Speaker 5: by gms and personnel people as the best round because

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Speaker 5: you can get star players Nick Chubb, Deebo, Samuel DK, Metcalf,

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Speaker 5: you name it.

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Speaker 2: The list goes on and on.

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Speaker 5: Shady McCoy for not first round money, so you get

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Speaker 5: him on a four year contract making a million or

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Speaker 5: two dollars, So you get a guy like this at

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Speaker 5: a really cheap number. And historically running backs that second round,

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Speaker 5: especially high in the second round, has.

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Speaker 2: Been a real big sweet spot.

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Speaker 5: So this is a game about speed, spreading it out

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Speaker 5: in This guy, I mean is explosive. Yeah to basketball,

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Speaker 5: where Luca made some headlines this offseason about completely revamping

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Speaker 5: his workouts and really just getting skinny. He's shown off

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Speaker 5: as new physique during the exhibition games ahead of the

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Speaker 5: euro Basketball Tournament with Slovenia. He put up twenty eight

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Speaker 5: and ten against Great Britain. According to one of the

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Speaker 5: Slovenian teammates, Luca's new physique has allowed him to be

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Speaker 5: faster in colin to jump more during their games in practices.

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Speaker 5: So the future looks bright for skinny and in shape

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Speaker 5: Luka Doncic.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know there are statistics that are fascinating to

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Speaker 1: me and others that don't matter. But I think Luca,

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Speaker 1: there was a number that he had twenty five dunks

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Speaker 1: his first year and he had like one last year. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's just you've lost your explosiveness. And when you watched

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Speaker 1: him last year, and you know, I'm sitting in LA

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Speaker 1: I watched a lot of Laker games. He just didn't

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Speaker 1: beat people off to dribble. What made him so great

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Speaker 1: initially is he could beat you off the dribble and

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Speaker 1: finish at the rim or do that quirky fallaway that

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Speaker 1: was all elbows and knees. He became basically that's what

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Speaker 1: he could largely do. He couldn't beat you consistently off

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Speaker 1: the dribble. I mean, look at the pictures we're showing now.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't look like the same person that he is

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Speaker 1: in the workout videos in the internet. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at he looks like a power for so he and

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Speaker 1: now will become first two year Luca, which is ball

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Speaker 1: in his hands, scoring thirty three. Still not a great defender,

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Speaker 1: but controlling the tempa. I thought last year there were

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Speaker 1: times he let Lebron take over for rest that he

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Speaker 1: was just didn't trust his body can you explain this

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 2: You're a world traveler. You know the Europeans.

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Speaker 5: They're healthier, they walk more, they're just a little skinnier

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Speaker 5: than us.

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Speaker 2: Yet they're basketball players.

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Speaker 5: Relative to our American basketball players, I'll struggle with diet

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Speaker 5: and just kind of their physique early in their career

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Speaker 5: is just their diet doesn't translate to elite you know, athletics,

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Speaker 5: professional athletics over here. Because Luka Jokic, no Yokic change.

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Speaker 5: His body looks like Luca I don't know, mixing a

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Speaker 5: couple salads. Maybe not as many beers, but that's never

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Speaker 5: been a knock. Our basketball players might not be as skilled,

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Speaker 5: but no one ever goes. You know, that's small forwardies,

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Speaker 5: he's overweight playing for Duke.

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Speaker 2: That's not really the way we talk about our guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I always looked at international basketball twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago. I used to think of European players as soft.

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Speaker 1: I no longer think that they I always thought of

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Speaker 1: them as highly skilled. Their academies were about learning skill.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like everybody can shoot. It feels like

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Speaker 1: all the Biggs can shoot, Wemby can shoot. I think

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Speaker 1: they're coachings, underrated and their skill levels remarkable. I've never

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Speaker 1: looked at physique. I will say this, I absolutely, definitively

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Speaker 1: believe that European players are tougher and more physical today

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Speaker 1: than twenty years ago. There was a lot of Tony Koukach,

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Speaker 1: which is I can score, but I mean Pippa and

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Speaker 1: MJ are literally going after him physically because they don't

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Speaker 1: they don't respect him. Most of your international I mean Jokic,

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Speaker 1: we'll get into a fight and his brothers are right

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Speaker 1: behind him. Like Jokic is physical, Yannis is physical, so

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Speaker 1: and Sga is a skinny guy, but he's banging into

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Speaker 1: people constantly. So I don't I don't know, but I

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Speaker 1: do think they've made advances in physicality international.

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Speaker 5: I've been I've been walking around the streets of La

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Speaker 5: Colin and everyone tells me this is the face of

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Speaker 5: the Lakers now, not Lebron So Luca, welcome to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: This is your team now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is John with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping back the

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Speaker 2: herd line news.

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Speaker 1: Mac Brown. He is out of coaching the National Championship

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Speaker 1: head coach at Texas Carolina. Belichick's taking over that program

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Speaker 1: I remember when Dion took over Colorado, Colorado with TCU,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't even know what I'm gonna get.

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Speaker 1: I think, in fact, I think I went on the

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Speaker 1: air and said I'm taking TCU. I think I said that.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly, but my guess is I took TCU.

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Speaker 1: They had, they had some momentums, a program, they had

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Speaker 1: NFL guys. I'm not supposed to feel this way. That's

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Speaker 1: how I feel with Belichick. I'm like, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what they are and I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: gonna translate, if what's the line on that? Like TCU,

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Speaker 1: I have a weird feeling we're all buying into this thing.

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Speaker 1: Could there be a thud? I mean, this quarterback is

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Speaker 1: kind of a run around guy, not classic Belichick, sit

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Speaker 1: in the pocket, deliver the ball. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: there's the line like three or four points. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna get with Belichick against TCU.

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Speaker 1: Save big and your TCU is is that minus or plus?

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Speaker 1: So TCU is favored by three and a half. I

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Speaker 1: think I take TCU, like I don't know what. At

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Speaker 1: least I know what I get with TCU.

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Speaker 1: So I was talking to the guys during the break.

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Speaker 1: It is fascinating to me on what makes Shador Sanders

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Speaker 1: so popular. Like in Cleveland, it is unbelievably polarizing. There

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Speaker 1: are camps of people that love him. I understood people

648
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: loving Tim Tebow even though he was unproven because of

649
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: his great religious conviction. There was a link with Christianity

650
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: and his lifestyle. Just like, Oh, I'd like my daughter

651
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: to marry that quarterback. Like I got his appeal. I

652
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: got Cam Newton's appeal. I mean, the guy was literally

653
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: a defensive end playing quarterback. He was a superstar in college.

654
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: Wildly entertaining that Auburn game against LSU. You're like like

655
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: I get popular Baker Mayfield ego wearing it on his chest,

656
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: I get popularity for young quarterbacks. Shador's not dynamic to watch.

657
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: There's no religious conviction. He's not a flashy quarterback. He

658
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: didn't have a big arm. He didn't run around like Lamar.

659
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: He's not, you know, kind of cocky, like a Johnny

660
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: Manzell or a Baker Mayfield. He seems like a nice kid,

661
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: kind of silly. Well, his dad was famous, folks, Almost

662
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: every quarterback in the NFL's dad played college football played

663
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's just interesting. I understand. I understand

664
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: when go crazy for Reggie Bush, Like when he came

665
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: into the NFL, it's like, oh my got Some players

666
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: are so dynamic that you just emotionally you fall in

667
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: love with players. I love this guy. I love his personality,

668
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: I love his confidence. I love what's the shadur thing.

669
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: His game's not dynamic, and I think he was underdrafted.

670
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: I like him. I'm rooting for the kid. I don't

671
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: think he's serious enough. I think he's kind of silly.

672
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: He does not have a big arm. He's not flashy,

673
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: he's not wildly athletic. He's not I don't think he's cocky.

674
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: I think he lacks him self awareness. I don't think

675
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: he's cocky. He's a likable kid. I'm gonna what Arch

676
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: Maanning is gonna be a rock star between the name.

677
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna watch him play. He's got a big arm,

678
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: he moves well. Texas football, I mean, should have played

679
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: at Colorado. Even Tebow Tibo played at Florida Urban Meyer

680
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: polarizing program. Cam was in the SEC rock Star Shadeur's

681
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: popularity is fat. He goes to Carolina.

682
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: You gonna play a game Carolina.

683
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Everybody's wearing Shador Sanders Jersey. It's like, I don't know,

684
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: you guys are young. I got a couple of young

685
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: guys next to me, is a do you have a

686
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: Chadur uh uh slash Berry Sanders jersey at home? Do

687
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: you do you? Do you? Is there something there? Like

688
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: are you wildly fascinated by Shador? You are the celebration stuff?

689
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. Like like I will tell you Arch

690
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: Manning is going if he's as good as I think

691
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: Arch is going to be special the name the game,

692
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: Like he's the only Manning that runs, I mean like

693
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: he'll run over yet he is. In fact, I would

694
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: say he needs to learn how to slide. He's not

695
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: a real slider yet. It's like bro settle down, get

696
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: out of bounds, slide his game, especially at a glamorous

697
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: program like Texas, Like I get that game. He got rid.

698
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: He may he may not show you yet he got

699
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: a little riz. But here here's by the way, here

700
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: is arch Manning on his grandfather Archie saying he's gonna

701
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 1: be for sure at Texas the next two years.

702
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

703
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: I don't know where he got that from.

704
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 5: He texted me and apologize about that, but I'm really

705
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 5: just taking a day by day right now.

706
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: So the staff just told me Shador has done a

707
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: great job of branding. He makes people think something without

708
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: having much of a product. Really is that? Is that

709
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: the thing is that riz? Does that count his RIZ?

710
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, like, okay, I also understand

711
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: the popularity of brock Purty. He's an underdog, right, like

712
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: I get the underdog Baker felt he had to transfer.

713
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Baker was a little small. Baker's an underdog. Shadar is

714
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: not an underdog. His dad's deon Sanders. And by the way,

715
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: we generally don't love you because your dad was famous.

716
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: That's I mean, the Manning family is American football royalty.

717
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: Like every Manning you're kind of fascinated with because Eli's

718
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: went in Super Bowls and Peyton's one of the greats

719
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: all time. Like I'm just fascinated to watch archs Manning

720
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: come from that lineage, right, But it's and maybe just

721
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: Shadora is standing on business. I don't even really know

722
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: what that means, but it just sounds well, it sounds

723
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: cringey when I say it. But the point is, can

724
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: you explain Middelkoff? What is How is he going on

725
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: the road and selling jerseys? It's Cleveland.

726
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 5: I do think an element has a huge factor of

727
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 5: his dad. I mean, his dad's been one of the

728
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 5: most famous athletes in the country for I don't know

729
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 5: thirty five years, huge personality, polarizing. Then coach Right became

730
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 5: a big brand. They started to doing huge television numbers.

731
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Speaker 5: Wasn't the Colorado TCU game was on Fox Week one,

732
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 5: two whatever three years? I remember watching that. That was

733
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 5: a that was a cultural moment. I mean I felt

734
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 5: like everyone I knew watched it.

735
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean grew Colorado sold out football games instantly.

736
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the irony is the talent. He's not their son,

737
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 5: but he feels like a son is Travis Hunter. That's

738
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 5: the guy most likely not far when the Heisman plays

739
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 5: both ways, but he doesn't. But he's kind of boring.

740
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 5: He actually says nothing. I don't really know that much

741
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 5: about him. Besides, he just seems like a mellow, easygoing guy.

742
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, he is an unbelievable I mean he

743
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: could be r O Tommy. He could be a pro

744
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: bowler on both sides.

745
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Speaker 5: I also think anytime, you know, one of the most

746
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 5: what really made Aaron Rodgers a household name, it was

747
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 5: slipping in the draft right going twenty four, sitting in

748
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 5: that green room, he's that draft moment as a as

749
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: a content creator that.

750
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Speaker 2: That was a big Friday for me. I mean, that

751
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: was a big moment for the guy.

752
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: You know what, this is a great point I think

753
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: you just hit on. It is that we're rooting for

754
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: him because there was a sense he got dogged by

755
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: the league, the corporation, the Shield, the NFL. They dogged

756
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: him and now he is actually Although it's hard to

757
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: say any one of Dion Sanders' kids as an underdog,

758
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: there is a sense that he got he got dogged

759
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: by the league, and he is viewed as an underdog.

760
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 5: I think it would be different if he had just

761
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 5: been whatever the Browns were drafting right two, if they

762
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 5: had just drafted him second overall, Like I mean in February,

763
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 5: NFL people weren't talking like that, but the media was.

764
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 5: If he had just been drafted in the first round,

765
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Speaker 5: even if he had gone in the twenties like Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 5: I do.

767
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Speaker 2: Wonder if it'd be a little he went in the

768
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Speaker 2: fifth round Colin.

769
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Speaker 5: I mean he started taking people from like Mexico that

770
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 5: had played football for one year, dude from Australia in

771
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 5: the fifth round.

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Speaker 1: He has two and a half times the Instagram followers

773
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: of Jaden Daniels. I mean, just it is. And he

774
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: plays for a bad maybe the worst team in the league.

775
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: I think you are right. I think dropping in the

776
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: made him an incredibly a populace. Now he is part

777
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: of everybody thinks they've been jobbed a little bit in life,

778
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: they've been overlooked. You can relate to that. And he

779
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: gets drafted in the first round and doesn't feel like

780
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: that