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Speaker 4: Calbci here, wolf fresh off his own highlight reel that

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Speaker 8: This is the mecca? This is it. You know, you

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Speaker 4: the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert.

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Speaker 4: We'll get to Paris Johnson Junior in a moment. We

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Speaker 8: Probably the energy and enthusiasm just as you said, like

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the first thing is just got to be physicality.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what you're like on game day, but

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the more just the more you play

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Speaker 4: I think you're gonna connect with your starting center, the

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Speaker 5: I like the dirt dog Meadhead, ultra intelligent, but like

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Speaker 4: It's well, justin Fry Cardinal's new offensive line coach, you

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Speaker 8: The assurance of there's some eraser capability there, I think

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Speaker 8: You know, you play to their strengths. You make sure

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Speaker 4: per carry rank? And when you're trying to assess the

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Speaker 4: performance of your own line.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the yards before contact is something that

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Speaker 8: we've always looked at. So getting him to the second level.

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Speaker 8: You know, if we're meant to block those six with

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Speaker 8: the tight end involve, or those seven or two tight ends,

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Speaker 8: or you know, those eight with three tight ends involved.

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Speaker 8: Like we get into here, he's got the next man,

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Speaker 8: and so how far down the field or where can

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Speaker 8: you get them before? Yards before contact and then yards

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Speaker 8: after contact. That's where then it merges the yards per carry,

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Speaker 8: you know, And so those ex plays get going because

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Speaker 8: the first second quarter, maybe even the third quarter, those

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Speaker 8: those secondary guys that are normally not primary run support guys,

449
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Speaker 8: they have to come down to tackle a big back

450
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Speaker 8: like that. They're going to tackle them and roll tackle

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Speaker 8: and get up and you know, hoot and holler and

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Speaker 8: dance and yeah, this is my gap. Here's where we're at.

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Speaker 8: And then you get that later in the game and

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Speaker 8: they got to do it again. They're taking a deeper breath.

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Speaker 8: And then that's right when a big back like that

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Speaker 8: gets in their wheelhouse like we're still coming, you know.

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Speaker 8: And so if you can expand that yards before contact,

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Speaker 8: the deeper and farther you get out of see, then

459
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Speaker 8: you got a chance for X plays. When he's bouncing

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Speaker 8: off tackles.

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Speaker 4: Are you a believer real quick that an offensive line

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Speaker 4: can wear down a defense when you get into the

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Speaker 4: third and fourth quarter.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, absolutely, as simple as that.

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Speaker 4: And how much the fact you played at Indiana? How

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Speaker 4: much does that help you as a coach? Hype your Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think being able to sit in the chair where

468
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Speaker 8: they've sat and the understanding of what they're really trying

469
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Speaker 8: to do or doing helps. And I think for them

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Speaker 8: looking at me knowing that I've played at a high

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Speaker 8: level and the coach high level. Obviously not at this level,

472
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Speaker 8: but you know, the understanding of what they're really going through,

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Speaker 8: what we're asking them to do, I think is going

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Speaker 8: to be beneficial for me as they look up at

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Speaker 8: the front of the room and I'm running the clicker.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what. I'm ready to get a three

477
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Speaker 4: point stance right now, coach. So this has been outstanding.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Arizona. You're enjoying the shorts. You're enjoy wearing shorts.

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Speaker 8: Get up in the morning every day, loving it, love

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Speaker 8: it all.

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Speaker 4: Right, Congrats to you and the family. We look forward

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Speaker 4: to it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Paul.

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Speaker 4: There you go. Justin Fry Cardinals new offensive line coach.

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Speaker 4: We continue with a big red rage presented by Santan

486
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Speaker 4: Ford and Gilbert. Right after this, how about rookie Darius

487
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Speaker 4: Robinson headetrates it ticks now, Hiron Williams.

488
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Speaker 1: Darius Robinson right there has a five technique over the

489
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Speaker 1: tackle and they ran the tackle zone right at him.

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Speaker 1: Jerius Robinson stuffed.

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Speaker 5: It loss of to TfL for the first round rookie disruption.

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Speaker 7: He can make plays in the pass and run game.

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Speaker 7: You know, we brought him here, so he's getting more comfortable,

494
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Speaker 7: the game slowing down. He's controlling what he needs to

495
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Speaker 7: control at a higher rate, executing better, and he's doing

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Speaker 7: a good job for US.

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Speaker 4: JG on first round rookie last year, Darius Robinson late

498
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Speaker 4: in the year. You talk about roster construction and the blueprint,

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Speaker 4: it is built from the inside out. And I'm getting

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Speaker 4: a nodding head here at d rob who is a

501
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Speaker 4: big building block. And guess what, there is a new

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Speaker 4: project manager, a new construction foreman in the D line room.

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Speaker 4: If you will part of this project. How about a

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Speaker 4: big rage welcome for D line coach Winston, the man

505
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Speaker 4: with the intimidating fourteen letter last name coach. You know

506
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Speaker 4: the commercials where the backup quarterback steps in like former

507
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Speaker 4: Cardinal Colt McCoy, and he has to finish up. So

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask for your assistance here in the pronunciation

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Speaker 4: of your last name.

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Speaker 10: D Latt Boudair. So I actually did that at my

511
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Speaker 10: high school graduation. They left it up to me. So

512
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Speaker 10: the principal was like, we like to you know whatever,

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Speaker 10: Winston and I came in and I was like, Dola

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Speaker 10: t Boudair, and then all my family started going crazy.

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Speaker 10: So this is pretty cool. I got to do the

516
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Speaker 10: same thing.

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Speaker 4: So as a guy with a seven letter last name

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Speaker 4: with an eye at the very end, I cannot tell

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Speaker 4: you how many times people butcher my name and it's

520
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Speaker 4: nowhere nearly as difficult as yours. So what what are

521
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Speaker 4: some of the funny pronunciations maybe you've received over the years,

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Speaker 4: or is there just too many to even recollect?

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Speaker 10: It's so crazy. I've heard de labadeboor I've heard di

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Speaker 10: la bede beer. I've heard so many different things. But

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Speaker 10: every year, in grade school to middle school, you know,

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Speaker 10: to high school, the new teacher would mess it up

527
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Speaker 10: and it would be bad.

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Speaker 4: How does NFL defensive line coach sound to you?

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Speaker 10: I think that sounds better than debelele Bedder. That sounds elite,

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Speaker 10: It sounds awesome.

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Speaker 4: Why the NFL? Why this step in your career? And

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Speaker 4: we'll get to your age in a minute. That that's

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Speaker 4: the mind bowl around here. But why this job right now?

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Speaker 10: I think that, you know, God puts people in certain

535
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Speaker 10: predicaments to be successful at certain times.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 10: I knew I always wanted to coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 10: I've watched my former teammates go play awesome football in

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Speaker 10: this league. But now I've also watched my former teammates

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Speaker 10: go coach awesome football in this league. So being able

541
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Speaker 10: to be here right now when this club you know,

542
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Speaker 10: is going to continue to ascend and do awesome things

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Speaker 10: coming up here in the very near future, I couldn't

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Speaker 10: think of anything better.

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Speaker 4: All right, So your former teammate, Cardinals defensive coordinator Nick Rowlis,

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Speaker 4: tell us about the call that you receive this offseason.

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Speaker 10: So I get a call. Well, first I got a

548
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Speaker 10: text that said call me at this time. So in

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Speaker 10: the back of my head, of course, there's a little

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Speaker 10: bit of resistance that's like like, like, what does this

551
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Speaker 10: dude think he is? He's just ordering me around X

552
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Speaker 10: amount of years later, you know, like we're still playing

553
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Speaker 10: on the field together. But there's a certain amount of

554
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Speaker 10: humility to when you've played with the guy. You respect

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Speaker 10: him and you know that he has your best interest

556
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Speaker 10: at heart. So he said to call him at a

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Speaker 10: certain time. I woke my butt up in the next

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Speaker 10: morning and I called him at that time. I'm on

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Speaker 10: the road, I'm recruiting and different things like that, and

560
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Speaker 10: we talked through some different things. We caught up and

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Speaker 10: he was like, hey, dude, listen, like, I think we

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Speaker 10: might have an opportunity for you to get on and

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Speaker 10: just kind of show us what you've got and how

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Speaker 10: do you feel about going ahead through a certain process.

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Speaker 10: And as we talked through it and things kind of

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Speaker 10: rolled down, you know, the hill, I was able to

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Speaker 10: be blessed with this opportunity. So getting that call and

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Speaker 10: it coming from a guy who I've had so much

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Speaker 10: respect for over the past few years. I've watched his

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Speaker 10: ascension and I've said I want to be like that.

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Speaker 10: I want to be like that. Getting a call from him,

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Speaker 10: I mean it was. It was one of the most

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Speaker 10: beautiful phone calls I've ever gotten in my life.

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Speaker 4: And to recap you were a young guy at the

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Speaker 4: University of Minnesota when he was sort of a captain

576
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Speaker 4: inside linebacker, kind of running the defense as a player.

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Speaker 10: Yes, yes, I was a young guy. I was a

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Speaker 10: young guy with the big mouth, who didn't know how

579
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Speaker 10: to shut up right, who couldn't gain his body weight.

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Speaker 10: And I watched this guy and I watched how he

581
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Speaker 10: studied the game. I watched how meticulous he was, I

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Speaker 10: watched how detail he was, and again I said, I

583
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Speaker 10: want to be like that, and the things that he's done,

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Speaker 10: you know, as a coach, show and shine like to

585
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Speaker 10: the person that he is and the player that he was,

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Speaker 10: how detailed he was, and his ability to be able

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Speaker 10: to teach, and his ability to be able to take

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Speaker 10: something from the meeting room and translate it onto the field.

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Speaker 10: It's it's miraculous, to say the least.

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Speaker 4: Here's seven time Pro bowler Buddha Baker on his defensive

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Speaker 4: coordinator and former teammate of yours, Nick Rowless.

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Speaker 9: You know, I will say Nick is a narrative football.

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Speaker 9: He really knows the game, you know, he makes it

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Speaker 9: very easy for the players to understand the game. Guys,

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Speaker 9: are you know able to understand it and play fast?

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Speaker 9: And at the end of the day, that's what he

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Speaker 9: wants us to do. He wants us to know what

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Speaker 9: we're doing and after that and just play as fast

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Speaker 9: as we can.

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Speaker 1: You know what.

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Speaker 4: He's great with the media, but as the sideline reporter

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Speaker 4: for the Cardinals the last two decades, he is incredibly

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Speaker 4: intense and focused on game day. He is locked in

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Speaker 4: in a big way. And it's interesting. I think he

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Speaker 4: probably shares as similar philosophy as I saw you put

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Speaker 4: on Twitter. You view coaches as teachers. Can you elaborate

607
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Speaker 4: in that a little bit and you how do you

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Speaker 4: think that'll be incorporated into the d line room and

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Speaker 4: how does that translate onto the field per se.

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Speaker 10: I think that teaching is an art, right, and I

611
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Speaker 10: think some people think that coaching is just go out

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Speaker 10: there and yell at the guys. No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 10: It's a process. You've got to be able to teach guys.

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Speaker 10: You've got to be able to methodically build what they

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Speaker 10: know the game to be and elevate it to where

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Speaker 10: you want it to be able to go in the

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Speaker 10: classroom in their own personal time when you're just building

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Speaker 10: that connection. Because it doesn't have to always be about football, right.

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Speaker 10: It has to be about building trust, right, which is

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Speaker 10: consists of time, consistency, and proof. So you're building that

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Speaker 10: trust for them to hear the message that you're gonna

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Speaker 10: give in the film room and then to go and

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Speaker 10: act it on the actual field. And even in this

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Speaker 10: past week, I mean Nick has taught me two or

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Speaker 10: three things about you know, he's walked past my office,

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Speaker 10: he's peeked in, and this is the big brother and

627
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Speaker 10: him he's like, hey, don't make that slide yellow, make

628
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Speaker 10: that slide black and white. It's better for learning retention.

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Speaker 10: And he just walks past, wow, or he'll say too

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Speaker 10: many colors, bro, And he'll just walk back to his office.

631
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Speaker 10: And I'm like, this fricking guy. But it's awesome because

632
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Speaker 10: he's enhancing my teaching skills already. And it's not even

633
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Speaker 10: it's not even intense like you said, like he's on

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Speaker 10: the sideline of a game right now. It's just casually

635
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Speaker 10: being able to make me better, which you know, I

636
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Speaker 10: crave age twenty seven. You know the way it works

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Speaker 10: in the NFL. And then locker rooms, you get into

638
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Speaker 10: your mid thirties, you get all the old head jokes.

639
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Speaker 10: You got a long ways to go before you even

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Speaker 10: read that stage, How do you think that helps you?

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Speaker 10: Because you've been known to actually get into the drills

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Speaker 10: and demonstrate as a former D lineman and the big

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Speaker 10: ten yourself. Yes, yes, and what does that do?

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Speaker 4: And then at the same time, do you think you

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Speaker 4: have to prove yourself as a young guy, new guy

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Speaker 4: in a D line room full of grown men.

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Speaker 10: I think that being able to be young right now

648
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Speaker 10: and I can bend, and I can run, and I

649
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Speaker 10: can jump, and I can scream, and I can almost

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Speaker 10: do a backflip. Not really, guys, but you know, I

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Speaker 10: wish I could. I think that having an able body

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Speaker 10: gives me a superpower, right because a lot of other

653
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Speaker 10: coaches at this level, or even just older coaches in college,

654
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Speaker 10: they have to go about things a different way, which

655
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Speaker 10: I'll have to do at some point. But I'm gonna

656
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Speaker 10: cross that bridge when I get there. Right now, I'm

657
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Speaker 10: gonna be in the drills, I'm gonna be interactive. I'm

658
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Speaker 10: gonna make sure that I captivate these guys attention on

659
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Speaker 10: a day to day basis. And when it comes to

660
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Speaker 10: proving myself, I don't think I'll ever have to stop

661
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Speaker 10: proving myself, and I think that that's the mentality that's

662
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Speaker 10: pushed me to get, you know, to where I've got

663
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Speaker 10: to be. There's a song and I listen to it

664
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Speaker 10: all the time. It's a J Cole song, and in

665
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Speaker 10: the beginning, jay Z is speaking and he's saying, you know,

666
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Speaker 10: you might think that you're really good, but there's a

667
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Speaker 10: kid right now and he's somewhere eating apple Jackson. He's

668
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Speaker 10: trying to be better than you. So I would always

669
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Speaker 10: like say to myself, I'm still the kid with the Applejacks.

670
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Speaker 10: I'm the kid out there attempting to be better than

671
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Speaker 10: somebody else and that'll never stop. So proving myself to

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Speaker 10: the guys, I don't think it's gonna be so much

673
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Speaker 10: of that. I think it's gonna be trust. I think

674
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Speaker 10: it's gonna be passionate. I think it's gonna be love.

675
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Speaker 10: But proving myself to other people, I always feel like

676
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Speaker 10: I'll have to.

677
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Speaker 4: You told the media call your coach debo, So that's

678
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Speaker 4: what we'll do. D Line coach here Winston d Latibo Dare.

679
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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe I got that well, you got it, man,

680
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Speaker 4: that was awesome.

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Speaker 10: That was good.

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Speaker 4: Thirty six starts at the University of Minnesota. But you

683
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Speaker 4: also were academic all Big Ten. You got the Big

684
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Speaker 4: Ten Sportsmanship Award, the Tony Dungee Award for Character and

685
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Speaker 4: Community Service. So sounds like you had plans beyond just

686
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Speaker 4: being a football player from an early age.

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Speaker 10: I did. I did so. I wanted to be an

688
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Speaker 10: FBI agent or a lawyer or I was like, I

689
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Speaker 10: had all these exotic things that I wanted to be.

690
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Speaker 10: And then I got a call after COVID kind of

691
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Speaker 10: came into play, and I got a call from Marcus

692
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Speaker 10: West up there in Buffalo, and he was like, you know,

693
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Speaker 10: you should come be a football coach. What a football

694
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Speaker 10: coach are you? I'm not a football coach. And it's

695
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Speaker 10: funny because Coach Fleck would always say, you're going to

696
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Speaker 10: be an awesome coach. You're going to be an awesome coach.

697
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Speaker 10: I'm like, dude, no, I'm not. And you know you

698
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Speaker 10: blink your eyes and now you're here.

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Speaker 4: Wow. What are you looking forward to the most in

700
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Speaker 4: the NFL. I'm guessing you're not going to miss the recruiting.

701
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Speaker 4: I'm just going to assume that. But in the NFL,

702
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Speaker 4: what are you looking forward to the most, ors or anything?

703
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Speaker 4: You're most curious about about football at this level.

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Speaker 10: I think I'm most excited about just the learning styles

705
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Speaker 10: of all the different guys.

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Speaker 1: Right.

707
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Speaker 10: So, you in the NFL, you get rid of all

708
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Speaker 10: the guys who don't want to be there, And I

709
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 10: think in college sometimes guys are just there because their

710
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Speaker 10: mom told them they had to play college football or whatever,

711
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 10: so have you. But in the NFL, everybody loves it,

712
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Speaker 10: everybody's about it, everybody's looking towards.

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Speaker 1: A common goal.

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Speaker 10: So I want to be able to teach and be

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Speaker 10: able to kind of chisel and be able to kind

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Speaker 10: of refine these guys to make sure that they're at

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Speaker 10: their best. So I can't wait to see how they

718
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Speaker 10: learn and the ways that they're intentional about doing.

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Speaker 4: So what makes a good defensive lineman? I know it

720
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Speaker 4: sounds football one oh one, But what makes a good

721
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Speaker 4: if you're gonna show film right of best practices, what

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Speaker 4: do you want to show your guys in your room?

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Speaker 10: Motor and violence period. I could talk about all these

724
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Speaker 10: intangibles and having an eighty one inch wingspan and having

725
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Speaker 10: this and having that, but at the end of the day,

726
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Speaker 10: if they're not playing with motor and violence, right, then

727
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Speaker 10: they're not erasers, And I think that erasers are the

728
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Speaker 10: guys that are able to really stamp their name on

729
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Speaker 10: the game. That was something that's always been big with

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Speaker 10: me because I'm not the biggest guy. I'm not the

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Speaker 10: strongest guy. But I was gonna play until my heart

732
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Speaker 10: was gonna explode because I knew that that was my deficit,

733
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Speaker 10: that I wasn't the most talented. Now you pair that

734
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Speaker 10: with these guys like Darius sure right, and you tell

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Speaker 10: them motor violence, motor violence, motor violence. You let that

736
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Speaker 10: dude go play with motor and violence. Lord help whoever

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Speaker 10: is in his way.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 10: So I think that that's gonna be the cool thing,

740
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Speaker 10: being able to pair my ability to press that point

741
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Speaker 10: about ef first and that being the lifeblood of a

742
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Speaker 10: defensive lineman and bring it to the fact that these

743
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Speaker 10: guys are very talent.

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Speaker 4: If Manias important, you know, you and Justin Fry have

745
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Speaker 4: this competitive advantage of knowing the college game and knowing

746
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Speaker 4: college players really well going against in game, playing against

747
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Speaker 4: a lot of these guys. If Manias walks in with

748
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Speaker 4: some game film of a certain defensive lineman or offensive

749
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Speaker 4: lineman in the college game, how confident do you feel

750
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Speaker 4: like you can give him a pretty good scouting report.

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Speaker 10: I feel really confident about it. That's all you had

752
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Speaker 10: to do with the transfer portal. That's all you had

753
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Speaker 10: to do with your guys on a day to day basis,

754
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Speaker 10: And then as roster turnovers started to happen at the

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Speaker 10: end of a year in college, you had to look

756
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Speaker 10: into the portal. You had to look at the freshmen

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Speaker 10: who were gonna come in, and you had to say,

758
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Speaker 10: are these guys able to give what this guy gave?

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Speaker 10: And if not, how do we get them there? So,

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Speaker 10: if Moni was to come in right now and hand

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Speaker 10: me a stack of names or whatever, so have you.

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Speaker 10: I feel pretty confident about, you know, getting those guys

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Speaker 10: on the docket and evaluating them.

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Speaker 4: Your energy is almost almost on par with Jonathan Gannon.

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Speaker 4: How have you hit it off with the head coach

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Speaker 4: so far?

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Speaker 10: I am gonna keep getting after that dude because he

768
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Speaker 10: keeps getting after me. I love being around him, just

769
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Speaker 10: his energy of like wanting guys to be the best

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Speaker 10: that they can be, and even in the smallest things,

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Speaker 10: whether it's working out in the morning, bumping into him

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Speaker 10: in the weight room and him telling me I'm not

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Speaker 10: putting enough on the bar right, or him coming into

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Speaker 10: my office and just talking to me about hey, less

775
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 10: is more when you're introducing this subject, or hey, listen

776
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Speaker 10: when you want to go talk to these guys, like

777
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Speaker 10: make sure you bring your energy, be who you are.

778
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Speaker 10: Just that encouragement. I love that because he's literally pouring

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Speaker 10: into my cup as I'm able to go ahead and

780
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Speaker 10: pour into these guys when the time comes and they're

781
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Speaker 10: back here at the facility and it's time for us

782
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Speaker 10: to get rolling. So being around JG has been a blessing.

783
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Speaker 10: But I'm gonna start getting after that guy a little

784
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Speaker 10: bit more because he's getting after me.

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Speaker 4: We do a Stev show. He's he's trying to get

786
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Speaker 4: me and Wolf to do the cold plunge every morning.

787
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Speaker 4: We're like, absolutely not kidding me. There's absolutely no chance,

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Speaker 4: speaking of. As we wrap it up here with coach Debo,

789
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Speaker 4: Cardinals new defensive line coach, the weather in the Twin

790
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Speaker 4: Cities today his in the teens and a low of

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Speaker 4: Z zero. So how good is this does it to

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Speaker 4: feel to have Hi's in the seventies in the azy.

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Speaker 10: I am sweating right now, guys, I'm sweating.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome.

795
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Speaker 10: I'm getting a lot of sunlight right now, and you know,

796
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Speaker 10: I get to wake my wife jealous because she's still

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Speaker 10: up there in the Twin Cities. So I hope the

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Speaker 10: sunshine doesn't stop, and from what I've heard, it won't.

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Speaker 4: You know what's interesting too, is you're a two time

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Speaker 4: participant of the Bill Walsh Diversity Coaching Fellowship.

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Speaker 1: Right.

802
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Speaker 4: I'm old enough to have been a TV intern in

803
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Speaker 4: college at forty nine ers training camp, and I interviewed

804
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Speaker 4: Bill Walsh back in the day.

805
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, there you go.

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Speaker 4: So this thing comes full circle. It's sure the unbelievable coach.

807
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Speaker 4: We really enjoyed it.

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Speaker 10: Rant you so much, man, And uh look, I hope

809
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Speaker 10: I'll get a chance to get back on with you

810
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 10: guys soon.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely. Don't have to ask us twice on

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Speaker 4: that one. There you go, coach Debo. We continue. It

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Speaker 4: is the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert.

814
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Speaker 4: We are santan Ford. We continue right after this.

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Speaker 3: Fitch to Connor running left, gotta crese at the thirty

816
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Speaker 3: up to the thirty five and down at the thirty seven.

817
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Speaker 3: Got a couple of offensive linemen out there, including the

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Speaker 3: center yelled to pro Hols.

819
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Speaker 1: Man you see, yelled the fro Holt. Wait down the

820
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Speaker 1: veegle making a block.

821
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Speaker 3: Good job up there. Pro Hold was way downfield blocking

822
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Speaker 3: Cardinals again after the play, pushing and shoving. Pro Holt

823
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Speaker 3: was in there throwing hands.

824
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Speaker 1: You like that, Wolf, Yeah, you got that right?

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Speaker 3: That's all I get Wolf, Yeah, pro Holt throwing hands.

826
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Speaker 1: Give me a little love on that we got hike.

827
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Speaker 4: Dave was proud of himself on that one. He enjoyed that.

828
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Speaker 4: He wanted some recognition, right, he wanted your admiration there,

829
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Speaker 4: Wolf on that call. So throwing hands, yes, I get it.

830
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Speaker 4: There the desert biking yelled a fro Holt. And you

831
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Speaker 4: know it is notable when the play by play guy

832
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Speaker 4: is calling out offensive lineman who're not only getting to

833
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Speaker 4: the second level, maybe even the third level and beyond

834
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Speaker 4: and throwing throwing blocks all the way downfield. And Cardinals,

835
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Speaker 4: especially interior offensive linemen, were on the move quite a

836
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Speaker 4: bit this last year, as the Cardinals for the second

837
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Speaker 4: straight year, ended up number two in yards per carry.

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Speaker 4: It is the big Red rage presented by Santan Ford

839
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Speaker 4: in Gilbert Paul calvec Ron Wolfley. More importantly, Justin Frye

840
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Speaker 4: and Coach Deebo special thanks to them and for all

841
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Speaker 4: their insight. I tell you, I mean, well, let's just

842
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 4: go dueling takeaways. What stood out to you the most

843
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: with either coach? We just talked talked to Coach Debo,

844
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Speaker 4: But I mean, what what stands out to you and

845
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Speaker 4: is most memorable.

846
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Speaker 1: I have to say, first of all, Justin fry sounds

847
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 1: just like JG. I mean the terminology that he uses,

848
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: the speech pattern for the most part, he sounds like

849
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Speaker 1: JG and Paully that that is no accident to me.

850
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: Once again, It's not like he showed up and suddenly

851
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: is absorbing everything JG says and he's regurgitating it to others.

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Speaker 1: This is a man. This is a man who believes

853
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: this stuff to his core. It is dogma for him.

854
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: And I love the fact he's got the same mentality

855
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: as JG has in terms of actually running the ball

856
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: and being physical. This is where it starts. And then

857
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Speaker 1: I would have to flip it over with Coach Debo

858
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: on the defensive line, and I would have to say,

859
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Speaker 1: I love the fact that he was talking about never

860
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: He's never gonna stop trying to prove himself. I love that.

861
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Speaker 1: I love the fact that he said that. And motor

862
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: and violence is what he said as well, And the

863
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Speaker 1: fact that it actually equals an eraser, that being a

864
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Speaker 1: guy that has that motor and violence can erase things.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I love.

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Speaker 4: You know, both guys were starters in the Big ten,

867
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Speaker 4: in the trenches, O line, in D line. The positions

868
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Speaker 4: that they coached, they played at a high level. A

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Speaker 4: how effective do you think that makes them as a coach?

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Speaker 1: How vital is that?

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Speaker 4: And be the fact they're young enough to actually get

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Speaker 4: into the drills, and both of them cited that they're

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Speaker 4: going to get into the drills, they're going to demonstrate it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's going to be a sight to watch

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Speaker 4: when it gets around a Cardinals camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's It's really important, Paully, It really is.

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Speaker 1: You know, modeling something for somebody is really important as well.

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Speaker 1: I talk about it all the time. You got a culture,

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Speaker 1: you got a belief, somebody's got to walk around and

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Speaker 1: model that. Well, it's the same thing if you're trying

881
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Speaker 1: to coach it, you have to be able to execute it.

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Speaker 1: If you're trying to coach these guys, you've got to

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Speaker 1: be able to show them as well. And that's why

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Speaker 1: for these two coaches to be as young as they

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Speaker 1: are and as mobile and in shape as they are.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was an accident, Paul. I think

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Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons why they're here.

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Speaker 4: You know, I actually jotted down the quote when coach

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Speaker 4: Deebo said, you know, my ability as a young guy

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Speaker 4: gives me a superpower quote unquote as a coach, because

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Speaker 4: you know, older coaches can't do it, he said, so

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Speaker 4: I have to leverage it as long as I can

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Speaker 4: being a twenty seven year old guy. They both also

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Speaker 4: talked about, you know, the physicality, you know, coach Deebo,

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Speaker 4: effort is the lifeblood of a defensive line. And I

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Speaker 4: just found it really intriguing that, you know, they they

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Speaker 4: go about their process with thinking that, Okay, look, the

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Speaker 4: ability is there, but now it's my job to make

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Speaker 4: sure the ability is consistent and to get that last

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Speaker 4: ten percent out of players, which is also a JG

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Speaker 4: belief that they firmly believe coaches can do. If a

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Speaker 4: player is well coach, you can get that last ten

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Speaker 4: percent out of their ability, which you know, in the

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Speaker 4: NFL can be the separator between a win and a loss.

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Speaker 1: Pauli, it's so critical. It really is the fact that

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Speaker 1: you have a coach that believes effort, believes in effort. Now,

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Speaker 1: you know, paul I talk about this all the time,

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Speaker 1: but you have to culture begins with a thought, and

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Speaker 1: that thought is okay. In this case, we need defensive

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Speaker 1: linemen who are going to show effort. We need defensive

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Speaker 1: linemen who are going to give effort. We need that

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Speaker 1: this coach believes that's what makes a good defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: Part of what makes a good defensive lineman, he's got

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Speaker 1: to show effort and he's got to have effort. Listen,

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Speaker 1: that's the thought that he has. Now you have to

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Speaker 1: speak it to everybody, and then you need to be

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Speaker 1: able to model it. You need a guy that you

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Speaker 1: can point to on tape and say look at this,

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Speaker 1: put the red dot on him and say look at this.

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Speaker 1: Watch the effort that we're getting right here from our

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Speaker 1: three technique. This is the way stuff happens and how

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Speaker 1: teams get better and how individual rooms get better, in

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Speaker 1: this case the defensive line.

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Speaker 4: How about the story where Nick rollis former college teammate

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Speaker 4: of coach Debo at the University of Minnesota walk by

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Speaker 4: his offense and said, no, no, no, no, don't put

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Speaker 4: color into your slides. Don't use yellow, just stick black

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Speaker 4: and white and enhances retention. I mean, talk about attention

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Speaker 4: to detail, right, and well, we we know we know

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Speaker 4: JG well enough. You can just see like you said earlier, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean there's a rhyme in or reason, there's a

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Speaker 4: pattern to who they're hiring, and they all seem to

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Speaker 4: be these highly detailed coaches and players.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, PAULI, I mean honestly that that right there.

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Speaker 1: I when I when I heard him say that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if he was busting his you know,

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Speaker 1: kicking him in the cradle a little bit, just to

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Speaker 1: bust him on that right there. I don't know, Paulli,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, it didn't sound like he

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Speaker 1: was joking. No what he wont by So you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is really exciting because the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage is so important. It has become so

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Speaker 1: integral to what the Arizona Cardinals are going to do

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Speaker 1: on offense and defense that I think it's only gonna

945
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Speaker 1: get bigger, It's only going to get stronger. It's only

946
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Speaker 1: going to get better. And Paulie, you know, I am

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Speaker 1: a huge believer about the line of scrimmage on both

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Speaker 1: sides of the ball, and that's where I think this

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Speaker 1: team can improve the most. And Darius Robinson. I've got

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Speaker 1: huge expectations for Darius Robinson in year two. Of course,

951
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Speaker 1: we how many draft picks have we seen their rookie

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Speaker 1: year and then their second year and how much better

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Speaker 1: they've been in their second year. I think of Dante Stills,

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Speaker 1: I think Garret Williams immediately. I think of these guys

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Speaker 1: Paully that have developed so much and are going to

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Speaker 1: continue to develop. But I think that's going to be

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Speaker 1: Darius Robinson as well. Let's hope that happens.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And in terms of the entire roster, I think

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Speaker 4: a Trey McBride right year two, I mean halfway through

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Speaker 4: year two and all of a sudden you're like, Wow,

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Speaker 4: look at this guy, and then now, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: he's a pro bowler. Other standout moments I think from

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Speaker 4: those two interviews, justin Frye, we asked him about yards

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Speaker 4: per carry, Cardinals number two in the NFL each of

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Speaker 4: the last two years. He said, you know what, I

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Speaker 4: value more yards before contact. I don't want my running

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Speaker 4: back to get hit until he's did the second level.

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Speaker 4: So that's interesting. His walk off was, Yes, I absolutely

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Speaker 4: believe an offensive line can wear down a defensive front

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Speaker 4: in the third and fourth quarters. He believes in that.

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Speaker 4: And then, in terms of what we talked about earlier

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Speaker 4: in this edition of The Big Red Rage are all trenches. Addition,

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Speaker 4: when we ask coach Debo about whether he would feel

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Speaker 4: confident if Moni walked in with some names and some

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Speaker 4: game film about giving opinions on college players college offensive

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Speaker 4: and defensive lineman that he has observed firsthand, he said,

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Speaker 4: I feel really confident. I just think that's going to

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Speaker 4: be a resource that the GM leans on those two

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Speaker 4: guys coming directly from the college game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you're right, Pauli. He really is. And right

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Speaker 1: now I also think too, that's where guys grow the

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Speaker 1: most in the NFL. You can go out and get

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Speaker 1: a corner, Pauli. You can go out and get a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver and the guy has got incredible talent, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: they will get better. And it doesn't mean just because

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Speaker 1: they've got that talent they're going to have great rookie years.

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Speaker 1: We all understand that, but to me, the area of

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Speaker 1: growth where a guy really can grow the most, it's

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Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage. It is, and the confidence

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Speaker 1: he can gain from playing better on the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 1: It's so related to the coaching he's receiving. All right.

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Speaker 4: Once again, special thanks to the old line and D

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Speaker 4: line coaches for Jim Lehunter, Cody Fincher, Matt Lazarus, Ron

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