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Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about, mostly the cowboys
Speaker 1: asking oh god, that was that may have been the
Speaker 1: worst thing I've seen this year. By the time we're
Speaker 1: doing this, it was forty six to nine, and we
Speaker 1: just decided to do this a few minutes early, so
Speaker 1: the final score wasn't quite finished. I'm sure Detroit added
Speaker 1: more to it. Our Week six reaction presented by Uber
Speaker 1: Eats get almost almost anything for Game Day. John Middlecoff,
Speaker 1: former NFL scout for the Eagles three and Out podcasts,
Speaker 1: for the volume, I mean, there's some million things I
Speaker 1: had said Friday on FS one, the slow Oil leak
Speaker 1: would begin this week with a schedule. Too many good quarterbacks. God,
Speaker 1: you could tell early seven to three Cowboys bad tackling
Speaker 1: dak an end zone pick.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's my take on Dallas is this roster is if
Speaker 1: you're going to pay Dack that kind of money you're
Speaker 1: after hit not just you have to third round, fourth round,
Speaker 1: fifth round picks have to become stars. You have to
Speaker 1: find a couple pookin the kolas in the fifth John,
Speaker 1: this roster, this Cowboy roster is just not very good,
Speaker 1: is it.
Speaker 2: Well, with the injuries they have, they would not beat
Speaker 2: any good team in the NFC. They would get boat raced.
Speaker 2: When you think about all the good teams in the
Speaker 2: NFC all have excellent offenses. Right Detroit clearly one of
Speaker 2: the best. They could score forty on them with their
Speaker 2: eyes closed, the forty nine ers, the Packers, the way
Speaker 2: Washington's fighting right now, the Vikings you know Caleb all right,
Speaker 2: the way that offense is humming. So the defense, with
Speaker 2: their injuries, stands no chance if they are going to win.
Speaker 2: How often do you win a game in which they
Speaker 2: did last week, which I gave them credit because it
Speaker 2: was a gritty performance on the road. Must win. When
Speaker 2: the quarterback throws two interceptions, he has another fumble, and
Speaker 2: you get a blocked field goal, it never happens. It
Speaker 2: shows you how inpt last week fields and that offense was.
Speaker 2: When he threw the pick today, Oh you know, I
Speaker 2: said last week? Is he one of the more bizarre
Speaker 2: players the way? You know? Because obviously he's good and
Speaker 2: has awesome moments, but then he consistently lets you down
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. But he's played very well in some
Speaker 2: huge regular season games that are being watched by thirty
Speaker 2: plus million. He plays for the Cowboys. But god, he
Speaker 2: throws a lot of picks. You know that that ed
Speaker 2: zone pick then turns into a field goal, So that's
Speaker 2: a six point swing, and then the routes on and
Speaker 2: they had no if they were going to win today,
Speaker 2: it was gonna have to be like thirty five to
Speaker 2: thirty and he just kind of imploded and looked like
Speaker 2: a different guy and started their offensive line and all
Speaker 2: their offensive weapons got tapped out after well, you know,
Speaker 2: five minutes into the second quarter.
Speaker 1: I've said, like for years, I've compared him to Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins with more mobility, but I think Kirk showing it
Speaker 1: again in Atlanta. Kirk's a better thrower of the football.
Speaker 1: Kirk doesn't make a ton of mistakes and friends, is
Speaker 1: more accurate, just just a more accurate thrower to the football.
Speaker 1: If you asked, if you asked, I mean, right now,
Speaker 1: I get Kirk Cousins. He's got about half of Dak's
Speaker 1: contract and he's a better thrower of the football. And
Speaker 1: so we always love all these mobile quarterbacks. But the
Speaker 1: truth is with Aaron Rodgers and Dak right now, they're
Speaker 1: not very mobile. I mean that. I mean, hell, I
Speaker 1: watched Baker Mayfield and bow Knicks today. Bo Nix is fast.
Speaker 1: You don't have to love him, but Jesus the kid
Speaker 1: brought dirty moves really well. So I think Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: is paying the price for Jerry Jones ego. Now you know,
Speaker 1: an eighty one year old guy wants to be the
Speaker 1: general manager call press conferences. And I've said this before,
Speaker 1: I just don't know how good of a job this is.
Speaker 1: You walk into a job. I mean, let's be honest,
Speaker 1: there's two great jobs to take in this league. You
Speaker 1: got a star quarterback and you're gonna have to pay him,
Speaker 1: or you have a talented rookie quarterback by caliber Jaden
Speaker 1: Daniels on a rookie contract. So now I got to
Speaker 1: play around with some chess pieces. I can go buy
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. What you don't want to have is
Speaker 1: an average guy that you're overpaying. And Kirk Cousins deal
Speaker 1: right now is a very solid deal. It's not egregious.
Speaker 1: They don't have to get rid of anybody the Dak deal,
Speaker 1: which hasn't even started the new one yet. I think
Speaker 1: this is going to be a downhill trajectory for years
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: I do think Jerry's drafted relatively well though. I mean
Speaker 2: they've won twelve games three straight years, but they kind
Speaker 2: of hit the point this year where they lost a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys in free agency and they were going
Speaker 2: to have to double down obviously on Dak and then
Speaker 2: Micah hadn't even been paid and they paid CD. So
Speaker 2: now those John becomes an NBA squad. But let's be.
Speaker 1: Honest, though, the last two years, Aaron Rodgers leaves the NFC,
Speaker 1: a lot of these, Jordan loves a lot of the
Speaker 1: you know, Chicago did nev Caleb Washington was a mess.
Speaker 1: San Francisco was great, Detroit was good. Now they're exceptional.
Speaker 1: The last two years, the NFCS had a pretty weak
Speaker 1: middle and bottom. Well that's the yeah, yeah, that I
Speaker 1: mean Green Bay Detroit. So there was this window and
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, they won twelve games, that's a nine
Speaker 1: win team in the AFC.
Speaker 2: That's fair because they weren't. Then they'd get into the
Speaker 2: dance and they would get beat at home by the Niners.
Speaker 2: They would get rolled at home by the Packers. They
Speaker 2: would go on the road and get beat by the Niners.
Speaker 2: So it's like, well, they got their chances with it inflated. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is fair because the comp the division was Listen,
Speaker 2: they always played Philly tight, right, They're probably gonna split
Speaker 2: those games most years. And they got to beat up
Speaker 2: on Washington in the Giants, and clearly Washington today to
Speaker 2: me was actually a big winner. I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: they might be a little better than I thought. Yeah,
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm more impressed with them in a loss than
Speaker 2: I have with some of there. But that's a problem
Speaker 2: for the Cowboys and the Eagles because I'm watching the
Speaker 2: Eagles a day and Sirianni's screaming at fans. It's like, hey, Nick,
Speaker 2: calm down, buddy. I mean, you're barely beating the Browns
Speaker 2: is like a ten point favorite at home. Your fans
Speaker 2: aren't happy with you, and then they have a point.
Speaker 2: And the Cowboys, this was obviously a bad matchup for
Speaker 2: them given their injuries, but they're just getting their butt
Speaker 2: kicked at home. And Dak talked about it this week.
Speaker 2: He's like, listen, you know, we got to start. We
Speaker 2: got to take care of business at home. It ain't
Speaker 2: even close. It ain't even close.
Speaker 1: Listen, go back to last year. Hackers, Saint Ravens, Lions
Speaker 1: have humiliated them at home. Now, those are good teams,
Speaker 1: that's near the top of the league.
Speaker 2: Well, that's to your argument then they're twelve wins, a
Speaker 2: little inflated. And then when you get them against the
Speaker 2: big boys, they get some track. The Eagles, who they're
Speaker 2: comfortable playing, they're getting work. Look at the Niners game
Speaker 2: last year, I mean, what was the planal score of that?
Speaker 2: Like forty five to ten? You got this thot So
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: I think you have to really, this will sound crazy.
Speaker 1: I would considering. Listen, you're gonna pay. They already paid
Speaker 1: Dak and CD. Would you consider to get draft capital?
Speaker 1: You get a first round pick for Micah.
Speaker 2: You get, you'd get more than that. I get. I
Speaker 2: met people ask me, cowboy fan, should we just do this?
Speaker 2: What's the point Our defense isn't even close? Why wouldn't
Speaker 2: we just start over?
Speaker 1: And Hutchison's injury today is hurt breaking for Detroit. But
Speaker 1: before that injury, he's not Miles Garrett. He's not high,
Speaker 1: he's not Nick Bosa, He's not He's not as big
Speaker 1: as strong. He can be overwhelmed by like a Trent Williams.
Speaker 1: He can disappear in big spots with top tackles.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Micah a lot of teams would use an edge rusher.
Speaker 1: I think you have to think about moving off it,
Speaker 1: getting a first and a third and just going into
Speaker 1: the because what Dallas has to find now, John, they
Speaker 1: got to find cheap, good players. And so I do
Speaker 1: want to say this about Detroit. Tom Brady made a
Speaker 1: point today and I thought it was a really good one.
Speaker 1: He said, Detroit has something that is really special. They
Speaker 1: can play power football. They can play efficient football with
Speaker 1: that offensive line. They can play keep away just grind
Speaker 1: you out, or they can throw the ball. But they
Speaker 1: can also get clever with Ben Jompson. It's a really
Speaker 1: fun offense for players. It's very rare, John, Usually you
Speaker 1: have to pick your spots and they don't have a
Speaker 1: mobile quarterback. But shit, they can road grade you. They
Speaker 1: can go over the top with Williams. They do trick
Speaker 1: plays with Ben Johnson. Hutchison's injury is just devastating and gutting.
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: offenses in the league that can beat you like six ways.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good point I Detroit. I
Speaker 1: mean Dallas today had no answers and yeah, plus injuries,
Speaker 1: but they did seven eight different ways to beat you.
Speaker 2: Well, with McCaffrey out as the most complete offense in
Speaker 2: the league. And one thing they even had over the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers last year is their offensive line is
Speaker 2: just better. I mean, Brady mentioned that Pine Stools the
Speaker 2: best right tackle in the NFL. You know now that
Speaker 2: you know Lane's an aging player, you know the thing
Speaker 2: that hit me when he's laying on the ground. And
Speaker 2: I would imagine beating a team seven hundred to nothing
Speaker 2: in the locker room, It's it's not gonna be as
Speaker 2: joyous as sometimes they can be with Dan Campbell. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be a weird vibe for them. I think the team,
Speaker 2: and you know their general manager comes from the Rams,
Speaker 2: Brad Quinn, bray Quinn is his name, and he he's
Speaker 2: seen Brad Wessein Brad Quinn yeah, or excuse me, Brad Holmes.
Speaker 2: And he saw Les and Shawn and that operation get
Speaker 2: really aggressive over the years. And he was part of
Speaker 2: an aggressive trade when they did the samh the Matt
Speaker 2: Stafford Jared Goff trade. Don't you call the Raiders. I
Speaker 2: mean that thing is just that's a tire fire burning
Speaker 2: even stronger by the week and just say, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: we'll give you two ones for Max Crosby. Yeah, like seriously.
Speaker 2: You know Max Crosby played his college football at a
Speaker 2: smaller school in Michigan. Yeah, the Raiders are going nowhere
Speaker 2: with him. Obviously DeVante separate, but hey, because you can't.
Speaker 2: You have games like today before He's laying there on
Speaker 2: the ground and some of their players are in tears.
Speaker 2: I mean Jared Gofwelklet he was crying because Jared's no
Speaker 2: dummy like he's He's been to a Super Bowl, he
Speaker 2: got close last year. He knows that's their best player
Speaker 2: on their team at the most important non quarterback position
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Laying there with We obviously didn't see
Speaker 2: the replay what I would have magine, and there might
Speaker 2: have been a bone sticking out of his leg. It
Speaker 2: took a long time for them to get him in
Speaker 2: the car.
Speaker 1: Well, Fox, I wouldn't show it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I if you told me it was a
Speaker 2: compound fracture, that's kind of what I expected to me.
Speaker 2: Max Crosby honestly kind of fits their ethos and their culture.
Speaker 2: Like if I'm the Lions, Max Crosby makes more sense
Speaker 2: than giving the farm for Micah Parsis, who's a little
Speaker 2: bit more of a one trick pony, would you offer
Speaker 2: two ones for Max Crosby. Obviously there's financial, you know,
Speaker 2: situations there, but I think I would go all in
Speaker 2: on this because if you're Detroit, you're thinking if our
Speaker 2: defense two weeks ago or three weeks ago against Geno's, like,
Speaker 2: what the hell is this? You can't win a super
Speaker 2: Bowl and you can't cover. But if you subtract that game,
Speaker 2: they've been actually pretty good on defense, Like they look
Speaker 2: like a different team today, but you're not winning a
Speaker 2: super Bowl. I don't think with him on gone for
Speaker 2: the year with no replacement, And to me, Max Crosby
Speaker 2: and would be worth it to quote unquote overspend a
Speaker 2: little bit to get them.
Speaker 1: And also, you know the Raiders would do it because
Speaker 1: they want multiple ones because they want to be able
Speaker 1: to have chess pieces to move up the board if
Speaker 1: they are like fourth or fifth, they're going to get
Speaker 1: a quarterback.
Speaker 2: That's obvious.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's great. I think there's a couple
Speaker 1: of things that are going to happen at the trade deadline,
Speaker 1: so the Cowboys are humiliated. Max Crosby to the Lions,
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Speaker 1: There's no order we have to go in today. I
Speaker 1: do want to go back. I want to go to
Speaker 1: the Chicago Jacksonville game because I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: felt this way about the Chicago Bears. And I'm not
Speaker 1: joking in a decade. So thirty five sixteen over Jacksonville. Listen,
Speaker 1: Caleb's gotten better every week and Jacksonville Doug Peterson's probably
Speaker 1: the next coach to get fired. I mean, they don't
Speaker 1: do anything well, but John, you start looking at that
Speaker 1: performance today. He in over the last three to four weeks,
Speaker 1: his confidence and I think some of that stuff was
Speaker 1: generated from scheme and play calling. Some of it wasn't.
Speaker 1: But twenty three to twenty seven four tds fifty percent
Speaker 1: on third down and by the way, Keenan Allen is
Speaker 1: back today. I looked at that Chicago team and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've has any other team in the league gotten noticeably
Speaker 1: better four to five weeks.
Speaker 2: In a row? Can I push back a little bit? Sure? Sure,
Speaker 2: because I do think listen, part of making the playoffs,
Speaker 2: especially with a team like the Bears, who haven't been
Speaker 2: good in a long time, you're gonna have to spit
Speaker 2: your playing a last play schedule win games against bad teams,
Speaker 2: right right, you can get to nine to ten wins.
Speaker 2: Five of them are gonna come against crappy opponents, and
Speaker 2: they're doing that, so they deserve credit. There are four
Speaker 2: wins come against four teams who have each won one game. Right.
Speaker 2: The Jags are terrible, The Panthers are probably worse. The
Speaker 2: Titans are probably worse than both of them. You know,
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking bad teams now, right. This is
Speaker 2: not college. You don't set your schedule here, so you
Speaker 2: just play the way it breaks. They play down the stretch.
Speaker 2: If they do this in some games against the Lions,
Speaker 2: against Minnesota, I'll be the first to say this didn't
Speaker 2: be a scary team in the playoffs. They go a
Speaker 2: stretch where they basically play six divisional games, all starting
Speaker 2: within like I think in like three weeks from now
Speaker 2: with the Packers till the end of the season, with
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers thrown in there, I'll be very
Speaker 2: interested to see how they look because we've seen them
Speaker 2: against one good team this year. Now, like you said,
Speaker 2: young quarterback new to the NFL, listen, I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to act like you shouldn't put all your eggs in
Speaker 2: the basket on the game September tenth, more than the
Speaker 2: middle of October with a rookie quarterback. But they got
Speaker 2: destroy against the Texans, who are a clear playoff team.
Speaker 2: So it's they're doing what they're supposed to do. They
Speaker 2: clearly have a lot of confidence the wide receivers. Caleb
Speaker 2: to me, he's much I would say more, feels more
Speaker 2: comfortable throwing the ball down field.
Speaker 1: No, and and by the way he's developed our relationship
Speaker 1: now with two players Cole Comette and DJ Moore, he
Speaker 1: is clearly comfortab now Keenan Allen's probably a progression in
Speaker 1: three weeks, but there is something to be said, Like
Speaker 1: he made a couple throws to cole Comett today and
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, he's found his tight end, he's got
Speaker 1: his deep threat. Sometimes it takes like bow Nicks in
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton Obviously bow trusts him, doesn't trust the other guys.
Speaker 2: I I don't know.
Speaker 1: I kind of look at it and I think to myself,
Speaker 1: they'll probably go two and four against those teams in
Speaker 1: their division. But I do think but.
Speaker 2: If the Colline they go two and four, they're probably
Speaker 2: in the playoffs because they got some other crappy teams
Speaker 2: coming up on the schedule. And if they were to
Speaker 2: beat Washington, I think they play him next week. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're looking, they would all they have
Speaker 2: to go to and four and if they be I
Speaker 2: think they got Seattle late in the year to get
Speaker 2: to nine wins and that's probably a wild card spot.
Speaker 2: So to me, there's a big difference to and four,
Speaker 2: like oh, I mean it's ozho and six because to me,
Speaker 2: you look at their division, they're the fourth best team obvious,
Speaker 2: that's the best division.
Speaker 1: That's the best division now easily in the NFL.
Speaker 2: This isn't a bad thing to say because you go, well,
Speaker 2: the Packers obviously are good. The Lions, you know, if
Speaker 2: they can somehow get a replacement for Hutchinson or a
Speaker 2: juggernaut and the fight he's got to lost the game,
Speaker 2: and we're one of the best coach teams in the league.
Speaker 2: So I've torn with him because I tip your hat.
Speaker 2: You do what you're supposed to do. But they're doing
Speaker 2: it against the number one teams you would want to
Speaker 2: play for, Like we need to win this week, you
Speaker 2: would sign up for the teams they're playing. They played
Speaker 2: the Patriots in a couple weeks. There's another win.
Speaker 1: I will say this Eberflus is interesting because, like Robert Sala,
Speaker 1: I think he's really good on his side of the ball.
Speaker 1: And the difference is Aaron doesn't extend pocket like Caleb.
Speaker 1: And you know Caleb today, you know I just told
Speaker 1: to the numbers.
Speaker 2: I mean he was.
Speaker 1: Almost like perfect even his postgame interview, like he just
Speaker 1: he's confident without being obnoxious, like he's getting very comfortable.
Speaker 1: Even after justin Field's wins, I felt they were a
Speaker 1: little bit of a mirage. I'd be like, Okay, like
Speaker 1: today you're like today Caleb sat in the pocket like
Speaker 1: and clearly is connecting with his guys, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is a he can sit in the pocket and throw.
Speaker 2: Totally agree, and I'm not comparing them to last year's
Speaker 2: fraudulent wins with the Chicago Bears. I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: the power of their opponents has a little feel. We're
Speaker 2: seeing what's happening with Lane in Ole, miss. You watch
Speaker 2: the first four weeks, like, gee, this team could go
Speaker 2: eleven and one. All of a sudden they start playing
Speaker 2: some better teams and now you're like, are they going
Speaker 2: to get to nine and three? And it's because of
Speaker 2: the of the talents and I mean the strength of
Speaker 2: the teams they have to go through, starting with their division,
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, and it's just we've seen him
Speaker 2: play one good team and it was I put it
Speaker 2: more on the coaching staff too. Warner said something that
Speaker 2: have you ever flown JSX? You ever heard of that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible, and they starlink. I was on the
Speaker 2: plane today you could watch it was like faster than
Speaker 2: my TV at my house and I'm watching the game
Speaker 2: in Warner's like, you know what, Shane Waldron told me
Speaker 2: he doesn't script any plays. And you can tell Warner
Speaker 2: was it's a little weird. You know, most most coaches
Speaker 2: do the first fifteen. He's just a field guy. I'm
Speaker 2: like Kyle Shannean scripts the second half as well at halftime.
Speaker 2: I mean most coaches coming back to Bill Wallash. So
Speaker 2: that's just your field coach, offensive guy with a young quarterback.
Speaker 2: But you comet stud obviously, Keenan back Romes. They've developed
Speaker 2: a little chemistry Roman Caleb and Dj is a special player.
Speaker 2: So they just have so many weapons. Can the O
Speaker 2: line hold up against the better teams they play and
Speaker 2: not get Caleb killed which we saw in the one
Speaker 2: primetime game. Yeah, because when he's comfortable some of the
Speaker 2: touch passes day we're not there or four weeks ago,
Speaker 2: regardless of who's toast, that was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he made a couple of He made a throw
Speaker 1: last week Dj Moore back of the end zone that
Speaker 1: was like a veteran play as a Mahomes throw. That
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's a big boy throw today. He
Speaker 1: wasn't forced into that situation much, but okay, I want to.
Speaker 2: Give a conversation about that. The other quarterback though really quick.
Speaker 2: It was on the other side, you know.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence Trevor. Because first of all, that staff it's
Speaker 1: not working. You know, Doug Peterson had a reputation, so
Speaker 1: I was totally wrong. I thought he was a perfect fit,
Speaker 1: kind of a casual guy. I thought it was gonna work.
Speaker 1: But you know, when he went to Philadelphia at work,
Speaker 1: because Laurie and Howie are so intense, and so they're
Speaker 1: hovering over the franchise right like you know that. I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody in Philly we know they're security guy, and the
Speaker 1: talk radio.
Speaker 2: Is on you.
Speaker 1: If you have one bad situational series. Philadelphia holds its
Speaker 1: coach is responsible. You go down to Jacksonville, nobody's paying
Speaker 1: attention and it's like the worst of Doug Peterson's come out.
Speaker 1: They're loose, they're not good on details. That was the
Speaker 1: knock when he went to Philly. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's calling the plays. You know, he loves to
Speaker 1: give guys ice cream. He's always rewarding him. He's like
Speaker 1: the stepdad everybody loves. You can't do that in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: You'll get your ass wrung out by WIP radio, the fans.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's Philadelphia is one of those studies. They
Speaker 1: hold you accountable. Jacksonville doesn't. And I think the team
Speaker 1: just feels loose and inefficient.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with anyone that makes the argument. By
Speaker 2: the time, if someone's listening to this Monday morning at breakfast,
Speaker 2: he might get relieved of his duties. I do think
Speaker 2: they'll watching Trevor Lawrence, like separate from coaching just to
Speaker 2: make basic passes. And there were times today where his
Speaker 2: guys It's the NFL, had some bad drops. So I'm
Speaker 2: not acting like this guy's jim Arcus Russell here or
Speaker 2: Joey Harrington. But for someone that got two hundred million
Speaker 2: dollars based on I would say limited production and success,
Speaker 2: it did feel a little bit like what bad NBA
Speaker 2: teams do, like the Washington Wizards when they gave Bradley
Speaker 2: Beal two hundred and fifty million dollars. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if this is going to work in that operation.
Speaker 2: That's right, and listen. I think at this point in time,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's really debatable that his career has
Speaker 2: been a borderline. I mean for him, not really. He's
Speaker 2: made a bunch of money, but as a player, the
Speaker 2: hype was very similar to Andrew Locke, and you watch
Speaker 2: the guy play, he's not even in the same It
Speaker 2: wasn't even on the same level as Caleb Williams that
Speaker 2: a lot of people were making fun of like three
Speaker 2: weeks previously. Oh, Caleb was.
Speaker 1: You know there's sometimes John, something happens where there's a
Speaker 1: convergence of things either good or bad. So you have
Speaker 1: sort of casual not tied on the details. Doug Peterson,
Speaker 1: a quarterback who reportedly likes the game, doesn't live for it,
Speaker 1: a media that's toothless, and a market nobody pays attention to.
Speaker 1: So if you have a bad series, nobody calls you out.
Speaker 1: And there they've all joined together and it's it's what
Speaker 1: happened to why Nick Saban and guys like Nick Saban
Speaker 1: after wins called good press. You know, rat poison is
Speaker 1: that everybody acts the same way when they lose their pissed,
Speaker 1: but when you win, you get sloppy and lazy, and
Speaker 1: Jacksonville feels like a sloppy franchise to me. All these
Speaker 1: things converge. A quarterback that likes the game, but that
Speaker 1: was the knock. That was the knock very early in
Speaker 1: his career. Like, he doesn't live for it, he's not
Speaker 1: obsessed by it, and Breeze was obsessed Manning was Mahomes
Speaker 1: is obsessed, and I just think all these things are
Speaker 1: adding up to a to a big soft pillow of
Speaker 1: a team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, just their record speaks for itself since
Speaker 2: the Cons have owned the family. Just google where they've
Speaker 2: drafted every single year. I mean the majority is not
Speaker 2: the top ten, it's the top five. I mean that's
Speaker 2: that's hard to do, all right.
Speaker 1: He's a former scout for the Eagles. Philadelphia twenty, Cleveland
Speaker 1: sixteen Deshaun Watson. We could go on. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: playing because the owner wants him to play, and Kevin
Speaker 1: Stefanski's taken the sword for the organization. Deshaun just can't play.
Speaker 1: But it is interesting about Philly. So they were an
Speaker 1: eight and a half point favorite today and j Mack
Speaker 1: was all over this, and I'm like, I'm not taking
Speaker 1: an eight and a half point favorite because Philadelphia is weird.
Speaker 1: So if I just if you didn't watch the game,
Speaker 1: and I said Jalen Hurts was sixteen to twenty five,
Speaker 1: fourteen Rushes two sixty four to two TDS, Aj Brown
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith had touchdowns, you would think, Jesus, they look
Speaker 1: great when I watched them, I'll get to Sirianni in
Speaker 1: a second. Well, when I watched Philadelphia, I feel like
Speaker 1: they leave so much on the floor, so much on
Speaker 1: the table. Is that, first of all, they're not the
Speaker 1: same team without AJ Brown. He's clearly a difference maker.
Speaker 1: Very rarely does a receiver have that kind of impact.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could Brandon Ayuke didn't do so squad
Speaker 1: for weeks. San Francisco could still score points. Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: you take him out. Dallas can't score I mean, and
Speaker 1: AJ Brown is really I mean, I've never seen a
Speaker 1: coach when he loses a player act like Mike vrabelbin
Speaker 1: when they lost to AJ Brown, Like Vrabel was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I can't remember that press conference. It's like I can't
Speaker 1: win here, like it's over. And Vrabel's not somebody who loves,
Speaker 1: you know, outspoken receivers. That's not his game. So but
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, I just I look at Philadelphia and I
Speaker 1: think the coach is screaming at fans.
Speaker 2: I feel I don't know, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like the roster's closer to an A and the performance
Speaker 1: always feels like a b am I wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah to me? The quarterback, like you said, we can
Speaker 2: get into Syriana here in a minute, if we just
Speaker 2: use Jalen in a vacuum, Well, three of the plays
Speaker 2: he hit aj Brown twice on big go routes and
Speaker 2: then he hit DeVante Adams or DeVante Smith on a
Speaker 2: big play. So what does that account for hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty five hundred and thirty of the two hundreds.
Speaker 1: Those guys are between the two one hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: five yards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so to me, he's a go ball thrower, which
Speaker 2: when all you do is throw a gobal, this isn't
Speaker 2: college or high school that those don't hit often in
Speaker 2: the pros and kind of a scramble run around guy.
Speaker 2: He cannot pick you apart in the pocket. There was
Speaker 2: one point in time today in the game where I
Speaker 2: think Vilma was like, I don't know why these fans
Speaker 2: are booing. You don't know why. It's thirteen to ten
Speaker 2: against the Browns. They can't move the ball and Jalen's
Speaker 2: the ball's flying all over the place. There is no
Speaker 2: rhythm to their offense. It looks very similar as it
Speaker 2: did last year. And at one point in time I
Speaker 2: looked down at the box score, I'm like, I'd have
Speaker 2: to find a way to get the ball to Saquan
Speaker 2: even more. Yeah, And I think sometimes coaches, you know
Speaker 2: he had when I look down, he was like fifteen
Speaker 2: rushes and he was averaging a little less than three
Speaker 2: yards of carry. Yeah, so most coaches freak out and go,
Speaker 2: this isn't working. Well. You don't have Peyton Manning or
Speaker 2: Tom Brady slinging the pill around. So just keep the
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahans McVeigh back when he had Todd Gurley. They
Speaker 2: will stick with it because when you ever you have
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry, eventually the guy might break a play for
Speaker 2: thirty yards. Slows down the game, makes it easier on
Speaker 2: your quarterback. And I think they have been way too
Speaker 2: quick to get away from Saquon because really the only
Speaker 2: passes they're hitting are these kind of bombs down the field.
Speaker 2: It's why when you remove AJ, they look even worse.
Speaker 2: I mean, if AJ obviously had been hurt like he
Speaker 2: had previous weeks, I think they lose today.
Speaker 1: Let me give you a comp if their defense was
Speaker 1: the Legion of Boom and Seattle, they could win a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Because when you go back and look at
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's career, what we know now happened late in Seattle,
Speaker 1: Denver and Pittsburgh. He was great with the rainbow throws
Speaker 1: over the top or when he was moving. He had
Speaker 1: a great running back. But if you ask Russell to
Speaker 1: sit in the pocket, Pete Carroll and John Snyder and
Speaker 1: Peyton were like, it doesn't work. So Philadelphia has not
Speaker 1: had a great defense, especially in the back end. So
Speaker 1: they lose, you know, they give up points. But for years,
Speaker 1: in years, I said this Friday on the show is
Speaker 1: I was full. I thought Russ was engineering stuff. Let
Speaker 1: Russ cook. I bought into it. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're like, boy, when you take away that
Speaker 1: defense and Marshaw and You're like, I don't know. He
Speaker 1: can't go toe to toe with the big guys from
Speaker 1: the pocket. If you can contain him, bring the rush
Speaker 1: ends in and just box him in. Russell's a very ineffective.
Speaker 1: Part two is a better pocket guy than Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: And I look at Jalen Hurts and I and I
Speaker 1: see a little Russell Wilson where over the top, Yes,
Speaker 1: surround it with the I mean, good guy. He had
Speaker 1: the best center in a decade Lane Johnson, aj Brown.
Speaker 1: It's easy to look like it's you. But to your
Speaker 1: point in the pocket, I don't trust him.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing watching Washington play today, Jaden is
Speaker 2: such a better thrower standing there within the tackle box,
Speaker 2: if not really even close. Well, he's got a better arm,
Speaker 2: he's more naturally accurate. Most people thought. You know, whenever
Speaker 2: you text people in the league when Jalen Hurts are struggling,
Speaker 2: they all go, yeah, it kind of reminds me Oklahoma again,
Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of the guy that everyone scat
Speaker 2: in thought is when he got drafted second round, the
Speaker 2: Eagles didn't just get questioned because they drafted a quarterback
Speaker 2: in the second round. When they had wentz it was
Speaker 2: they took him that high. He was like, damn. And
Speaker 2: sometimes it comes out like he's not a great thrower
Speaker 2: of the football. Obviously he throws a good go ball,
Speaker 2: but just a good thrower of the football in the pocket.
Speaker 2: We just talked about Kirk Cousins. I had Jay Gruden
Speaker 2: on the pod like a month ago. He's like, if
Speaker 2: you don't touch him, he might be the best seven
Speaker 2: on seven player in the league right just throwing. Just
Speaker 2: he's a good thrower of the football. Jalen. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's not comfortable, it's not natural. He doesn't
Speaker 2: have great velocity on just sitting in the pocket throws,
Speaker 2: which is weird for a guy that does have a
Speaker 2: powerful arm on the loop throw. You know, Russell had
Speaker 2: a better ball in his prime than Jalen, just throwing
Speaker 2: like an outrout or whatever. He just wasn't that comfortable
Speaker 2: throwing it over the middle from the pocket because he
Speaker 2: couldn't see. Jalen's a little shorter. He's taller than Russell,
Speaker 2: but shorter than average quarterback. So maybe it's just not
Speaker 2: as comfortable seeing stuff because he clearly when he moves
Speaker 2: is better outside the tackles making plays. But you can't
Speaker 2: run a consistent offense play in that way. Yeah, it's very,
Speaker 2: very difficult. So now it's going to be another coach
Speaker 2: or a coordinator's fault. Maybe it's just a player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you. So, Sirianni, knowing he's on
Speaker 1: the hot seat, knowing that his sort of demeanor has
Speaker 1: been dubbed juvenile, comes in, shaves his head at one point,
Speaker 1: yelling at fans like it to me, it's just bro,
Speaker 1: you're the head football coach. Of the Philadelphia Eagles. Like
Speaker 1: he just feels like he doesn't have a self awareness.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's almost like Baker's first couple of years in the league.
Speaker 1: You knew he was talented, but you're like, dude, you're
Speaker 1: starting fires at the podium on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Just don't.
Speaker 1: You don't have to win and be the snarkiest, funniest
Speaker 1: guy at the podium. Just let other people win. And
Speaker 1: now Baker's matured. But I feel like Nick sometimes doesn't
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah to me, I don't know if there's a wager
Speaker 2: you can place with our friends at DraftKings, but I
Speaker 2: think he's a borderline lock to not be the head
Speaker 2: coach for the Eagles in twenty twenty five. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's not making a prediction. They're missing the playoffs and
Speaker 2: making the playoffs, Like he will not be the coach
Speaker 2: next year. Like this thing him screaming at the fans
Speaker 2: is just in what world? In a game that you
Speaker 2: barely just beat what many consider as one of the
Speaker 2: worst transactions not in football, in like sports history with
Speaker 2: Deshaun Watson, the quarterback who was pretty bad today again,
Speaker 2: and you are struggling to win the game and you're
Speaker 2: screaming at the fans. He'd be one thing if he
Speaker 2: was kicking ass and they're still chanting fire, Sirianni, I
Speaker 2: would get it. It's like, bro, let's you know, cooler
Speaker 2: jets here now. I saw, Jalen Hurt said after the game.
Speaker 2: Is one thing that the players talk to Nick about
Speaker 2: during the bye week was to get back to his
Speaker 2: crazy ways, get back to his roots of being emotional
Speaker 2: he had been to. I don't know stoic, I guess
Speaker 2: for their taste over the beginning of this season, but
Speaker 2: if that what you're trying to get back to, like,
Speaker 2: what are we doing? I see under no scenario. I
Speaker 2: don't This team's not win the Super Bowl, So I
Speaker 2: just don't see how serious Sirianni knows what's going on.
Speaker 2: Like the head shave, what did that symbolize to you?
Speaker 2: A guy searching a guy? Maybe you got a bad haircut.
Speaker 1: I remember remember when Robert Sala came in with the
Speaker 1: black beard, like darkened his beard, and it's just like, bro,
Speaker 1: you're you're on camera like twelve minutes on national TV
Speaker 1: in an NFL game. Every week, it did feel like
Speaker 1: you were trying to make some sort of statement and
Speaker 1: I I mean, I think we know now that sala
Speaker 1: and Adam Schefter reported that he was he was affected
Speaker 1: by the noise. I think Sirianni's affected. I think Philadelphia
Speaker 1: is probably the loudest NFL city because talk radio is
Speaker 1: so powerful in that city. In the media, there's multiple newspapers.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a kind of a working class for
Speaker 1: a big sophisticated city. It's it's you know it, it's loud,
Speaker 1: and if your Andy Reid could shut it out. But
Speaker 1: I think it affected. I think it affects Sirianni.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I can't speak for every city in America,
Speaker 2: but there can't be many places where every single person
Speaker 2: in the city, I mean, there's just nothing more important.
Speaker 2: And it's a die hard football or I mean just
Speaker 2: sports town where you could find the richest guy the
Speaker 2: nicest neighborhood, and you could find the poorest guy in
Speaker 2: the street and they'd all have a take on the Eagles.
Speaker 2: And that Andy's just had a little thicker skin, obviously
Speaker 2: had early success. He's just I mean, a much higher
Speaker 2: level guy. But I think when you're really emotional like that,
Speaker 2: in an emotional place, it's probably not a good combination,
Speaker 2: and let's face it, like some guys with more experience
Speaker 2: and who have been around the block, like Rabeld be
Speaker 2: more equipped to handle it. Obviously, Belichick, you know these guys.
Speaker 2: This is a guy six seven years ago was a
Speaker 2: position coach no one had ever heard of, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you get thrust into the limelight with
Speaker 2: a team that then is highly compensated, a lot of
Speaker 2: star power. It's not like this is the little engine
Speaker 2: that could you look around, high draft picks on defense everywhere,
Speaker 2: highly paid wide out, star running back, fifty million dollars, quarterback,
Speaker 2: a GM that everyone knows his name, wheeler and dealer,
Speaker 2: an owner that is giving you an unlimited check book.
Speaker 2: I thought today when it was like thirteen ten and
Speaker 2: the Browns were driving and I think it was headed
Speaker 2: to the fourth quarter, I'm like, he might have fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes left for this job if he loses this game
Speaker 2: to the Browns and to Shaun Watson and given their
Speaker 2: touchdown came off a block field goal touchdown, I could
Speaker 2: see Jeffrey Lurie. I don't know exactly who he would elevate, Fangio, Kellen,
Speaker 2: but I could just see him like this is over
Speaker 2: and Nick Sirianni honestly could have been fired before Doug
Speaker 2: Peterson if he had lost that. That was an enormous
Speaker 2: win just to keep the guy's career going.
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Speaker 1: Green Bay thirty four, Arizona thirteen. So this was my
Speaker 1: favorite pick of the week. On my Blazing five, I
Speaker 1: went three to oh today, I have the Jets plus
Speaker 1: the points tomorrow, so it was a good day. So
Speaker 1: the reason I took Green Bay because Arizona beat San
Speaker 1: Francisco and you think, oh, okay, and they're getting five points.
Speaker 1: I don't trust them. I think Kyler Murray and I
Speaker 1: have this sourced from a player, a coach and an
Speaker 1: executive is not terribly mature nor totally accountable. He's just
Speaker 1: absolutely gifted and off a win over the Niners, they
Speaker 1: didn't look like then thirteen penalties, I think they've trailed
Speaker 1: at one point like twenty four to three or time.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were getting shell They didn't look like
Speaker 1: they prepared. And this is why I bet against them,
Speaker 1: is that is Green Bay in their division is looking
Speaker 1: around thinking, hey, Jordan, we got to get this thing rolling.
Speaker 1: Our division's good. Arizona beat San Francisco. It looked like
Speaker 1: they took the week off of practice. And I think
Speaker 1: a lot of it's Kyler Murray who have defended but
Speaker 1: John when they only had twenty three minutes time of possession.
Speaker 1: Now Harrison got hurt, they had Connor, they got beat up.
Speaker 1: But that's the NFL. But I think there is something
Speaker 1: I really believe, and I've heard this again from a
Speaker 1: star player, an executive, and a coach in that organization.
Speaker 1: Kingsbury ready to go to Colt McCoy. I was told
Speaker 1: that by somebody around his staff, like he was done
Speaker 1: with it. He played nice to the media, he was
Speaker 1: done with it. I know they moved off. Josh Rosen
Speaker 1: and I know they're paying Kyder Murray. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can ever win big time with him. We'll
Speaker 1: get to Green Bay in a second. But they just
Speaker 1: they have too much talent to just not even compete
Speaker 1: for the first half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, I think if you remove a couple
Speaker 2: of those Bruce Arians, Todd Bowles, years with Carson Palmer,
Speaker 2: this organization, most of my life has just kind of
Speaker 2: been the same, and this team specifically has more talent
Speaker 2: than some of the crappy Cardinal teams over the decades.
Speaker 2: But when I saw the weather and those guys bundled up,
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, my cousin was on the Fresno
Speaker 2: State team that almost beat USC and the height of
Speaker 2: their dynasty in two thousand and five, and they took
Speaker 2: went toe to toe with them, and they were fifteenth
Speaker 2: in the country. And after that loss, they didn't even
Speaker 2: move in the rankings. The next week they played Reno
Speaker 2: and this was like, you know, early November. It was
Speaker 2: freezing cold. He said. The moment two guys, our first
Speaker 2: two guys stepped off the plane and it was freezing cold.
Speaker 2: They freaked out. He's like, oh, we knew he had
Speaker 2: no chance and they got blown out and because coming
Speaker 2: from you know, Fresno was like eighty five ninety degrees
Speaker 2: and when I saw that weather when I got off
Speaker 2: the plane today, it was pretty hot. Starts sweating pretty quickly,
Speaker 2: and that that's a bad like this is not going
Speaker 2: to be a team that travels well because he's a
Speaker 2: roller coaster player to begin with. A lot of his plays,
Speaker 2: like Jalen, come from kind of freelancing, like let's face it,
Speaker 2: and they have shown this year, like when they play
Speaker 2: well and show a little fight and he gets their
Speaker 2: healthy freelancing. Yeah, he can make plays. They've also got
Speaker 2: boat raced a couple times and look completely lifeless. And
Speaker 2: today I would say, about ten minutes into that game,
Speaker 2: probably if you didn't want to wash Jordan Love and
Speaker 2: weren't a Packer fan, the game was irrelevant because they
Speaker 2: were going to toy with them. It was a joke.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it starts with it always starts with your player,
Speaker 2: how much he cares, how hard he wants it. I
Speaker 2: do think it's just a very hard player to play
Speaker 2: with the way he plays. I mean a lot of
Speaker 2: his great highlights when you think about it over the
Speaker 2: years are kind of freelance plays not necessarily like three
Speaker 2: step drop great hitch hit the out round Like, that's
Speaker 2: not really his style.
Speaker 1: Green Bay is obviously good. The question with me because
Speaker 1: I think Jordan loves a little more far than Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: He had a ball up the sideline today. He just
Speaker 1: threw a balloon, a hot air balloon up. Dobbs made
Speaker 1: the catch, kind of clever, got into the end zone.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not a great He's just.
Speaker 4: Clips fifteen times this season, and he's missed a couple
Speaker 4: of games, so he lets it grip and I like
Speaker 4: that about him. And that was the thing on Utah State.
Speaker 4: People are like, he he can, He's gonna make some
Speaker 4: bad throws. But Mahomes has a crappy pick every weekend.
Speaker 4: So I kind of live with it if you have
Speaker 4: some it, and I think Jordan's got a lot of it.
Speaker 4: There are so many mouse to feed. I mean they
Speaker 4: have like two or three tight ends. I like, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of mouse to feed. And there are a
Speaker 4: lot of young guys and none of them have been
Speaker 4: paid yet. And there was a rumor that Romeo Dobbs
Speaker 4: was unhappy like last week of the week before and
Speaker 4: Green Bay is like a low ego franchise, but generally
Speaker 4: there's a pecking.
Speaker 1: Order to an organization. Well, outside of Jordan, nobody's getting
Speaker 1: paid offensively, And I'm just I'm interested to I know
Speaker 1: they're talented. Are they a super Bowl team? Do they
Speaker 1: have the maturity to go on the road? What do
Speaker 1: you make of them?
Speaker 2: I think they definitely have the talent to be a
Speaker 2: super Bowl contender, yes, and to make a run in
Speaker 2: the NFC. And it all comes down to, like they
Speaker 2: beat the Niners last year, if Jordan doesn't get kind
Speaker 2: of squirrely down the stretch of that game, So to me,
Speaker 2: can he get on a streak for a three game
Speaker 2: stretch like Joe Flacco or Eli Manning Because he's probably
Speaker 2: more talented than those guys I just listed, right, just
Speaker 2: in terms of mobility, arm strength, like you said he's got,
Speaker 2: He's more far than Rogers. The problem when you play
Speaker 2: like that, some of Farv's most iconic moments actually went
Speaker 2: against them, right, crazy picks in playoff games because they're
Speaker 2: in the playoffs right and in depending Once all these
Speaker 2: teams start playing each other like they could still win
Speaker 2: the division, there's now that Hutchinson's injured. We'll see as
Speaker 2: Minnesota plays better teams what it looks like. And I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to diminish anything they've done, but you know,
Speaker 2: we'll see how long, Like are they just gonna they're
Speaker 2: gonna roll the fifteen wins? Or what happens when they
Speaker 2: have a two game losing streak? You know, the Packers.
Speaker 2: These guys now have been through a lot together, like
Speaker 2: the young nucleus, So I like him. I mean you
Speaker 2: watch him on days like today, It's like, damn bit.
Speaker 2: They could score on anybody because they got wide receivers
Speaker 2: for days. And like you said, that quarterback. Their coach
Speaker 2: is really good, like Lafleurs, really established himself. He doesn't
Speaker 2: get the credit as McVeigh or Kyle, even Kevin O'Connell.
Speaker 2: But never forget he's he's wont some playoff games. I
Speaker 2: know he hasn't been to the super Bowl, but him
Speaker 2: and Aaron, he resurrected Aaron's career and then took Jordan
Speaker 2: Love from last year crappy first half the GM saying yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll see how these last ten games go, right, basically
Speaker 2: saying this guy's career as our starting quarterbacks in jeopardy
Speaker 2: to then coaching them up down the stretch to now,
Speaker 2: what's the record nowt four to two or three and two,
Speaker 2: like yeah, these one games with the leak, willis like
Speaker 2: he's got a lot of different pitches. I like the
Speaker 2: Packers coming into the season still do to me. Usually
Speaker 2: their success also comes down to, like does their defense
Speaker 2: come to play in big games, because historically with the
Speaker 2: Rogers teams it did not.
Speaker 1: One year it did and they won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: The other thing for them is now depends on seating,
Speaker 2: like they might be better on the road, like go
Speaker 2: to Dallas and a dome, go to Minnesota in a dome.
Speaker 2: They have always this great passing game. And then when
Speaker 2: they get the number one seed or two seed, they
Speaker 2: play these home games and it's negative ten degrees. So
Speaker 2: it's like, well, you're not gonna throw for three hundred
Speaker 2: yards in this Yeah, where they you put them last
Speaker 2: year in Dallas, It's like, okay, throw it away. They
Speaker 2: don't mind going out to San Francisco in January when
Speaker 2: it's you know, sixty seven degrees at kickoff. They're better
Speaker 2: off playing. I know LA won't have a home game,
Speaker 2: but a game like that actually playing Minnesota. I don't
Speaker 2: think they would be uncomfortable playing at Minnesota in a
Speaker 2: playoff game at all. They would much rather. I think
Speaker 2: they're the way they're built offensively, they're better suited to
Speaker 2: go to one of these warmer weather cities on the
Speaker 2: road in a playoff game where if he gets hot,
Speaker 2: they can easily score thirty points.
Speaker 1: Okay, my controversial take of the week. LA Chargers beat
Speaker 1: Denver twenty three sixteen. Got off to a huge lead
Speaker 1: and held on. So we did something this week. I
Speaker 1: think it was Friday on the show and I was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, would I take well, no, so I take
Speaker 1: pretty almost over. I'm not taking him over Lamar Mahalmes
Speaker 1: or Allen, but there's a lot of guys in there,
Speaker 1: like Kayleb Williams. I said, I think Caleb's more talented
Speaker 1: or Jayden Daniels. I think Jayden's more talented, and nobody
Speaker 1: really had a reaction until I said bow Nicks, I
Speaker 1: would take him over. Brought purty. So before we get
Speaker 1: to the Chargers Denver game. One of the things I
Speaker 1: think a lot about is there is a huge difference
Speaker 1: the Niner quarterback position and Brock clearly had a lot
Speaker 1: of college starts. Like bow Nicks, he throws an accurate ball.
Speaker 1: They both move way better than most people give him
Speaker 1: credit for. I mean, bo today had a run. He
Speaker 1: was like racing past a like an edge linebacker and
Speaker 1: for a first down. I mean it was just sprinting.
Speaker 1: And brock Purty moves better than people think. But I
Speaker 1: think it's it's they're two different asks in this league,
Speaker 1: and the ask for brock Purty was don't screw it up.
Speaker 1: We've got an all star team and the best scheme
Speaker 1: guy in the league. Are you good cognitively and can
Speaker 1: you throw completions? That's also the Niners are one of
Speaker 1: the better yards after the catch team, So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff where you get yardage and guys, you know.
Speaker 1: In Denver it was viewed as a five and a
Speaker 1: half win roster. In Vegas, one receiver, I like a
Speaker 1: lot Courtland something a lot Mims is unproven. Franklin's a
Speaker 1: rook tight ends are okay, left tackles good, right side
Speaker 1: of the old lines wonky, and so the ask in
Speaker 1: a division with herbon Andy Reid is substantially harder. Like today,
Speaker 1: he had a terrible first half, they were missing two
Speaker 1: offensive line starters. Second halfy is pretty good, although the
Speaker 1: coverage changes. I didn't think it was a hot take.
Speaker 1: I think it's very close. I like Bownicks more than
Speaker 1: brock Purty. One guy's a first round pick, one guy's
Speaker 1: a seventh, but I can't hold that against him. Where
Speaker 1: to you what is this seat? Because we don't think
Speaker 1: these guys are mahomes. I'm guessing you think bow Nicks
Speaker 1: has a lower ceiling than brock Purty.
Speaker 2: That's my guess. I think that's I think that takes
Speaker 2: pretty insane the information we have right now, because I
Speaker 2: think the way you describe brock Purty is two years
Speaker 2: ago when he gets inserted after Trey Lance goes down
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Garoppolo goes down. But if you watch the
Speaker 2: way he played last year, and if you watch the
Speaker 2: way he's playing right now, he has been pretty excellent
Speaker 2: this season. Yeah, like played at a really like I
Speaker 2: mean ran circles around Seattle the other night. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: I think sometimes we talked about Deebo Samuel the wide receiver,
Speaker 2: like he's Jerry Rice or Randy Moss. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't really run routes. He's not exactly mister Marvin Harrison
Speaker 2: senior out there. Kittle's banged up a lot. Obviously a
Speaker 2: good player, but a lot of teams have good tight ends.
Speaker 2: Like that's what's there's a ton of tight ends all
Speaker 2: over the NFL. How many guys right now are playing
Speaker 2: better than Bruck Perdy because listen, we could say, oh,
Speaker 2: Caleb one day, let's see Caleb win one big game.
Speaker 2: Brock's been in big game from the moment he started
Speaker 2: and the last two years, starting last year and then
Speaker 2: this year, every game really matters. And if you lose
Speaker 2: his disaster and Super Bowl or bust, like I don't
Speaker 2: know bo Nicks who again, I like that first the
Speaker 2: game was over at halftime because of how shitty he was,
Speaker 2: so unless like Jim Harball was gonna die at halftime
Speaker 2: for whatever illness he had, Like they were not winning
Speaker 2: that game.
Speaker 1: But couldn't argue this.
Speaker 2: Though, But you're talking physical skill. You're talking physical skills.
Speaker 2: I'm like, eventually you got to play right. So a
Speaker 2: lot of these guys in all positions have great physical
Speaker 2: skills and then you play football, and like Drew Brees
Speaker 2: didn't have the physical skills even remove like the Rogers
Speaker 2: and the Brady of hundreds of guys that were drafted,
Speaker 2: maybe not one hundred, I don't know how many that
Speaker 2: would it. Let's say fifty guys who were drafted over
Speaker 2: a decade period that should have ran circles around him
Speaker 2: and couldn't hold his jock because eventually just got to
Speaker 2: play quarterback.
Speaker 1: Well, but so it's a circumstance league. So Mahomes is
Speaker 1: not having a good year. He's like nineteenth on quarterback
Speaker 1: grades with Andy Reid, Why weapon circumstances? Rashie, Rice Hurt,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen just had a game. It's as worst as
Speaker 1: a pro why circumstances? Running backs? Hurt didn't have a
Speaker 1: slut guy. So even the greatest guys in the league
Speaker 1: come down a lot when they don't have much to
Speaker 1: work with. Dak Prescott has one receiver that's been bad
Speaker 1: a lot this year. Now that's not Mahomes around. But
Speaker 1: my point is everybody, even the greatest in the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, Lamar's having a great year.
Speaker 1: Well god, I mean, Zay Flowers is one of three
Speaker 1: guys I trust, Mark Andrew brus I mean, they have
Speaker 1: a great staff.
Speaker 2: I mean Baltimore, Barrick Henry's been a home run for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so long Lamar's having his best year.
Speaker 1: So my take is people are forgetting Denver was a
Speaker 1: five win team in Vegas. Vegas only cares about So
Speaker 1: if you take Courtland Sutton out, I'd argue they don't
Speaker 1: have a very good offensive player in the roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think when you add context to everything you're saying,
Speaker 2: I think when people see that, they go if I
Speaker 2: would have put Bo Nicks on the twenty two forty
Speaker 2: nine ers as a rookie, are they playing Billy in
Speaker 2: the super Bowl or I mean in the NFC Championshiphip?
Speaker 2: And that's what Brock was uniquely suited. Now, he got
Speaker 2: a weird situation where he got to sit all out
Speaker 2: of the year and then come in right at the
Speaker 2: peak when the team was coming. But I do think
Speaker 2: if you just look at the last two years when
Speaker 2: he's been the full time star, like if I'm Kyle
Speaker 2: and John, they are like five quarterbacks. The thing with
Speaker 2: Mahomes or Alan, even Lamar, even though Lamar basically plays
Speaker 2: well every game. Now it's like I don't care what
Speaker 2: I can watch Patrick Mahomes have a shitty half, it
Speaker 2: means nothing to me. It's like watching Steph Curry go
Speaker 2: over ten. You know, Josh Allen have some bad games,
Speaker 2: Like what are we arguing at this point? Like he's
Speaker 2: those guys are elite, so obviously, Alan, Mahomes and Lamar
Speaker 2: no brainers to me. If you can watch Herbert today
Speaker 2: went healthy with Jim Harbaugh and go that's ain't one
Speaker 2: of the best players in the league. Like we're not
Speaker 2: on the same wavelength. I'm not even gonna speak with
Speaker 2: you because it's a waste of time. Like that's an
Speaker 2: elite player. And I would trade Brock Purty for that guy,
Speaker 2: and so would Kyle and John. I would throw CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud in there, who's I think pretty special and plays
Speaker 2: in that offense and looks awesome. I don't think and
Speaker 2: I don't think you could argue anyone else like Caleb.
Speaker 2: Like all these guys, none of them have played in
Speaker 2: the big game. I've seen Brock and I've seen Dak
Speaker 2: in big games when they both had really good teams
Speaker 2: and one guy not screw and the other guy screwed up,
Speaker 2: like I've seen it with Jared Goff too. Again, these
Speaker 2: are good players, but I'm giving him the nod over
Speaker 2: these guys, and that's kind of the crew. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: is brock Purty ever going to be the best quarterback
Speaker 2: in the league? But is he better than most guys
Speaker 2: like consistently from six to seven to like twelve, which
Speaker 2: I think we all kind of speak the range he's
Speaker 2: in and that the answer is yes. And is he
Speaker 2: a big no? Is he a strong no? But can
Speaker 2: he play football? Can he play football? And I think
Speaker 2: the answer is a resounding yes for a guy that
Speaker 2: is very difficult to play for. Right, It's not easy
Speaker 2: to like, it's hard to play for Andy Reid like it.
Speaker 2: It is hard to play for Bill Watsh. That's the
Speaker 2: other thing. I think we act like it's easy to
Speaker 2: play for these guys the way Tom, like Tom would
Speaker 2: be like, look, this was a difficult environment. This is not.
Speaker 2: That's why so many guys fail because cognitively and mentally
Speaker 2: they just get wiped out. They can't handle it. And
Speaker 2: this guy. The other thing that I why I have
Speaker 2: so much I say confidence speaking about him and defending
Speaker 2: him in arguments like this is obviously as a teammate,
Speaker 2: you're gonna support guys, but I think there's a different level,
Speaker 2: like Trent Williams, who's a first bout Hall of Famer,
Speaker 2: and Fred Warner, who was his number one supporter of
Speaker 2: the moment he started because he saw him every Dan
Speaker 2: Scout team. They have been. The way they've spoke about
Speaker 2: him from day one is like, I don't think these
Speaker 2: guys just throw that out. I'm removing Kittle, who could
Speaker 2: just say whatever, some of these other guys. I'm just
Speaker 2: talking about those two guys first bout Hall of Famers then,
Speaker 2: aren't mister you know, give you a bunch of compliments.
Speaker 2: Twenty four to seven got a little Belichick in the
Speaker 2: way they speak about others. You really got to impress them.
Speaker 2: And it's like and then the way Kyle talks about him,
Speaker 2: because let's face it, like Jimmy Garoppolo when he was
Speaker 2: good was like a GoF Dak lights kind of yeah.
Speaker 2: And Brock Perdy on his worst day is that like
Speaker 2: he's so much to me, he's better player than Dak,
Speaker 2: And I like, I think Dak's fine. He's a better
Speaker 2: player than going.
Speaker 1: He throws a better ball too. Dank's not a good thrower.
Speaker 1: Deck's never been an elite thrower ever that, but they
Speaker 1: are also like arguments like the Bears.
Speaker 2: Like obviously the Niners, the Bears called them Caleb for Brock,
Speaker 2: they would say no, But the Bears would say no too,
Speaker 2: because they got this guy on the contract. Like there
Speaker 2: are all these variables and this is in the NBA,
Speaker 2: but there is no guarantee that we'll see when Caleb
Speaker 2: plays these big games at Green Bay. I've seen Brock
Speaker 2: play the teams or against the Lions, right, or against
Speaker 2: the Eagles like that. That's a different level than playing
Speaker 2: the Jags were about to fire their coach, right, that's all.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying these guys.
Speaker 1: But no, no, no, I think Shanahan, deebo I, U Kittle,
Speaker 1: Trent Williams and that scheme. You literally can't play the
Speaker 1: position if you can't succeed to some level. That was
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. He just couldn't. He couldn't make throws. So
Speaker 1: it'll be fun to play out. I think Brock Pertty
Speaker 1: is a better quarterback probably today. Bonnicks had a good
Speaker 1: second half. Game was over. It was very Chargers like
Speaker 1: the Chargers, I mean, they were never in doubt losing
Speaker 1: that game. But God, did they mail it into the
Speaker 1: second half. It was a weird that Jim Harball left
Speaker 1: the field. He went to the locker room before the game.
Speaker 1: I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Did he think I can't? Also, he went to the
Speaker 2: blue tent. First coach I've ever seen go to the
Speaker 2: blue ten.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that. I don't want to speculate.
Speaker 1: That was odd. Okay, there's two college games. Because there's
Speaker 1: some games I'm not going to waste anybody's time on.
Speaker 1: So I want to talk Ohio State and Oregon. So
Speaker 1: all summer long, John, I'm sure you heard me say
Speaker 1: Oregon's gonna win in Eugene. They'll meet later. Ohio State
Speaker 1: will win. But Oregon's won now thirty five to thirty
Speaker 1: six games there. Even when they played poorly, they win.
Speaker 1: So Ohio State I predicted. I said they're going to
Speaker 1: go on the road, They're going to have a bunch
Speaker 1: of penalties. They had eight. I said clock management will
Speaker 1: be harder. Last play of the game it was. I said,
Speaker 1: it's very hard to ask a bunch of nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: year old kids to go and play in Eugene. I've
Speaker 1: sat in that stadium ten times. You can't. You and
Speaker 1: I could be eight feet apart. You can't hear yourself.
Speaker 1: It's sunken into the ground. It's not one hundred thousand,
Speaker 1: it's sixty and you can't. It's just insanely loud. So
Speaker 1: but I looked at Ohio State and my take was, well,
Speaker 1: both the receivers Smith and Amika like Buka, I think
Speaker 1: the last name is both were sensational. One had nine catches,
Speaker 1: one had ten. They ran the ball. Will Howard was
Speaker 1: twenty eight to thirty five. My tach was through a take. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean my take was. My only disappointment is Oregon
Speaker 1: averaged almost seven and a half yards of play Dylan Gabe,
Speaker 1: I mean they had five hundred yards of offense, So
Speaker 1: you know, and listen, I don't love that for Ohio
Speaker 1: State because I think they have so many elite athletes.
Speaker 1: I don't think Oregon should. I mean, Oregon got pushed
Speaker 1: around by different defenses this year, including Idaho. They're obviously
Speaker 1: a better team. But my takeaway on Ohio State is
Speaker 1: they're going apoplectic, and I'm like, no, that that's what
Speaker 1: it looks like when an eventual national champion plays in
Speaker 1: one of the five loudest stadiums against a team that's
Speaker 1: also capable of being in the Final Four. That's as
Speaker 1: good a loss as you can have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I personally just hate Ohose State and this is
Speaker 2: one of those teams my whole life I've just kind
Speaker 2: of rooted against. You don't really have a reason. But
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not the biggest Chip Kelly fan either,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to hop on the bandwagon about Ryan
Speaker 2: Day and his record, but that's that's not the game
Speaker 2: to do it, Grace, you lose to Vanderbilt, like, I
Speaker 2: gotta kind of eat it on anything, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're coming at me about Kaylin Duboor. But I do
Speaker 2: think it's fair though at the end of the game,
Speaker 2: he has a time out to run it out. You know.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people that I think
Speaker 2: it's up for debate a little bit. Did they mean
Speaker 2: to have the twelve guys out there? Because you can
Speaker 2: throw a penalty without it. If it does happen, it
Speaker 2: works in your favor, but it also can work against
Speaker 2: you and give him some free yardage. But regardless, for
Speaker 2: the game to end like it did, him sliding when
Speaker 2: they got a time out, their back pocket, and let's
Speaker 2: face it, that is they've had some worst losses. I
Speaker 2: would say the last couple of years to Harbaugh, much
Speaker 2: more embarrassing than that now. Honestly, when he kicks the
Speaker 2: field goal late in the game, I thought they're gonna
Speaker 2: win it Ohio State. I was like, Oh, this is
Speaker 2: gonna be a crowning achievement for Ryan Day. And so
Speaker 2: it's whoever had lost that game. I think he kind
Speaker 2: of hold your head up high the next day in
Speaker 2: the meeting with your squad at Newton. But there is like,
Speaker 2: there's got to be some truth to of all the
Speaker 2: guys that took over great programs. Urban handed it to them.
Speaker 2: And when Jim Harbust's saying, you're born on third base
Speaker 2: this program. I had gone to the Cotton Bowl yesterday
Speaker 2: and so we get to a bar after we watched
Speaker 2: the whole second half, and some people started sitting with us,
Speaker 2: a bunch of big ten people, and I said, you
Speaker 2: could make the argument for the last twenty I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about total national championships. I'm just talking about effort,
Speaker 2: the money behind it, the willingness, the consistently you could
Speaker 2: even go back to the nineties. This is the best
Speaker 2: college football program in America. Ohiuse State. Would you make
Speaker 2: that argument? I don't Saban accomplished more. I went, but
Speaker 2: I'm just talking about the whole as a program, subtract
Speaker 2: a coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was sitting. I went to dinner with Mike Godfrey,
Speaker 1: the college basketball coach at Bama North Carolina State, and
Speaker 1: he asked me Mount Rushmore of college football programs, and
Speaker 1: I said Bama, And the second one I said was
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Michigan was good last several years, but USC
Speaker 1: has been irrelevant for ten. Michigan doesn't have I mean,
Speaker 1: take out the Harbor Natty. They went a long time
Speaker 1: without it. And I said to them, Georgia went twenty
Speaker 1: years and didn't matter. I said, Obama. Well, I said Bama,
Speaker 1: Ohio State. I said, because of history, if you count
Speaker 1: one hundred years, I take Notre Dame. You can't Notre
Speaker 1: Dame is college football. I said, There isn't a four.
Speaker 1: It depends on who's hot, LSU, Oklahoma. It could be Georgia,
Speaker 1: but there's no set in stone four. But I think
Speaker 1: it's Bama, Ohio State, and Notre Dame. And we can
Speaker 1: argue about it. I the thing is they've struggled against
Speaker 1: top ten teams. But the Clemson game was close, the
Speaker 1: Georgia game was close, the Michigan games they're in it,
Speaker 1: the Oregon game. Some of these games, to be honest,
Speaker 1: they've been either on the road or neutral fields. They
Speaker 1: haven't played a lot of these top ten teams at home.
Speaker 2: I agree, But when you know, you know, a huge
Speaker 2: thing that all these coaches love to talk about is
Speaker 2: the process because it comes from Saban. The process. Well,
Speaker 2: he could talk about the process because his results were wins,
Speaker 2: so you wanted to know how he got there. Like
Speaker 2: I want to know how Jeff Bezos built his business.
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear from the guy that went bankrupt, right,
Speaker 2: So it's like you ultimately judged on this sport, win
Speaker 2: or lose the game, and I think there is I
Speaker 2: think it is fair to go and when they get
Speaker 2: in these big spots, whether it's against Georgia, whoever, the
Speaker 2: teams end up being because I think it's fair to
Speaker 2: say after watching college football over the course of so far,
Speaker 2: whatever five six weeks, it's going to be pretty You know,
Speaker 2: Texas has sloaded, Ohio State's loaded, but they can lose
Speaker 2: like if Quinn yours up like they could lose in
Speaker 2: the Elite eight, so can Ohio State and you were
Speaker 2: you had faith Saban or Urban, We're gonna win the game.
Speaker 2: I think it is fair for any Ohio State fan
Speaker 2: to go. I don't know for a fact, I don't
Speaker 2: feel great about my gay closing this game out. Even
Speaker 2: though our team is it's it's not really arguable they
Speaker 2: them and Texas have the best rosters in the country.
Speaker 1: No, Texas and Ohio State are the best teams. I've seen.
Speaker 1: Bama's defense leaks oil, Georgia's offense is limited. I think
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Texas are like a notch above everybody.
Speaker 1: I think if the Buckeyes were on a neutral field
Speaker 1: it was like a bowl game, or if it was
Speaker 1: in Columbus, they would have won that game. I think
Speaker 1: I think Oregon. I think that home field is literally
Speaker 1: a touchdown. I think that. I mean, I really think,
Speaker 1: hey Will Howard despite the fact they couldn't hear, I mean,
Speaker 1: they ran the ball, their two receivers were good, Howard
Speaker 1: was accurate. I came out of that game and I'm like,
Speaker 1: if they meet again, Ohio State's winning that game and
Speaker 1: that's not a shot. Because I had said Oregon's gonna
Speaker 1: win this, It's gonna be close. I took the points
Speaker 1: money line. I was like, Oregon's gonna in this. I
Speaker 1: think I was kind of I mean, they had eight penalties.
Speaker 1: Couldn't hear a couple of times. I was kind of
Speaker 1: impressed with Ohio State.
Speaker 2: I really was.
Speaker 1: I was surprised. I mean, Oregon his recruit for if
Speaker 1: you don't follow Oregon football, they have the best NIL
Speaker 1: like west of the Mississippi. I mean they have all
Speaker 1: this still night money. Dude, they have nothing but four
Speaker 1: and five star guys. I mean they don't even they have.
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand how well they recruit and
Speaker 1: how well the NIL Like Oregon outside of Texas may
Speaker 1: have the best NIL in the country.
Speaker 2: Well I'll say this being at the Texas game. Obviously
Speaker 2: Oklahoma their offense is anemic, but they do have a
Speaker 2: good defense. I've been hard on this guy over the years,
Speaker 2: just because he didn't win that much. Sark as a
Speaker 2: play caller is elite, Like it was really impressive. I
Speaker 2: do hesitate, though, like his quarterback. I know he was
Speaker 2: coming off an injury. I'm sitting there live going, well,
Speaker 2: this ain't the number one pick, and those the game's
Speaker 2: going when I draft this guy in the first round.
Speaker 2: And Sark was really good at kind of scheming around him,
Speaker 2: throwing a lot of that, and he ran the ball.
Speaker 2: And Sark the one thing with Ryan Day loves the pass.
Speaker 2: Sark loves the pass too. Both of them probably have
Speaker 2: four NFL guys and two each on their team in
Speaker 2: their backfield, and that is an area if you are
Speaker 2: just willing, you see this with Shanahan, some of these
Speaker 2: co even Andy Reid has turned in like, just hand
Speaker 2: the ball off a lot and we'll just bludgeon you
Speaker 2: that way. And those guys are just a little more
Speaker 2: quick to let it fly. And I think that is
Speaker 2: the thing that makes me the most nervous with Day
Speaker 2: and Sark because they're teams I mean in Texas, the
Speaker 2: size of their defensive line, the speed of their dbs,
Speaker 2: the talent at wide receiver. I just think you were
Speaker 2: if you remove the Michigan game, who I think is
Speaker 2: fair to say Michigan is not that good, right, so
Speaker 2: you just go, can you win a national championship with
Speaker 2: this guy playing quarterback? He's just a little erratic, but
Speaker 2: their talents is is really really high and is to me,
Speaker 2: you put Oregon's talent on their level?
Speaker 1: No, I I thought they. I think Oregon is in
Speaker 1: the running for the third best team in the country.
Speaker 1: I think it's Texas, Ohio State, and I think there's
Speaker 1: about four teams, Oregon, Georgia. They can play with anybody.
Speaker 1: And I thought Oregon played their butt off. But I
Speaker 1: came out of that game. I was like, if I
Speaker 1: was Oregon, I wouldn't want to play Ohio State again.
Speaker 1: I'd have no interest playing those guys again. Okay, USC
Speaker 1: and Penn State go to overtime. It's a wild shootout.
Speaker 1: Uh USC loses by a field goal. Lincoln Riley is
Speaker 1: now five and eight in his last thirteen games. So
Speaker 1: here's my overview, because I don't think he's terribly likable.
Speaker 1: The way he left Oklahoma. He gets snippy with the media.
Speaker 1: There's sort of an air of I'm above the phrase sometimes,
Speaker 1: which I don't think people love. But here I go
Speaker 1: back to this is that Miller Moss is a good
Speaker 1: college quarterback, but he doesn't move. He's he's pure pocket.
Speaker 1: That's not really Lincoln's I mean he went and got
Speaker 1: the UNLV guy out of the portal who moves well,
Speaker 1: which told me he did have some concerns about we're
Speaker 1: just kind of a one dimensional team. But here's what
Speaker 1: bothers me. He's been there three years in an era
Speaker 1: of the transfer portal, and USC's transfer portal money is
Speaker 1: now twelve thirteen million. They're not poppers. They got money.
Speaker 1: They have two playable offensive tackles in the program. Two.
Speaker 1: They have an immobile quarterback, the better athletes the backup.
Speaker 1: They have one Woody Marx, one legitimate Mississippi State kid
Speaker 1: running back. This is USC john even when they've had
Speaker 1: coaches that have missed. I mean Paul Hackett got Carson
Speaker 1: Palmer and Troy Palomano. The brand is huge. If you
Speaker 1: look at Southern California recruiting this year, they're just not
Speaker 1: getting any of the players. I mean they get They
Speaker 1: may have two of the top twelve players. There is
Speaker 1: a detached deel with Lincoln. He not that he doesn't
Speaker 1: love his job and love the kids, but he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He feels almost detached or above it. And it's like
Speaker 1: sometimes I like Saban to lose his shit when he
Speaker 1: was at Bama or Brian Kelly turn red as a
Speaker 1: plumb you know, they're so engaged. Lincoln sometimes can come
Speaker 1: off as sort of above it all, and I think
Speaker 1: it's a turn off the local high school coaches, and
Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel right to me.
Speaker 2: You know who. The way you just describe reminds me
Speaker 2: of the USC version that we saw with Lane Kifvin.
Speaker 2: He was kind of aloof and not connected to the program.
Speaker 2: It just felt like there was a disconnect between the two.
Speaker 2: And remember the Lane that we've seen Alabama. Obviously at
Speaker 2: Old Miss feels a lot different as a human being,
Speaker 2: much more personable. I'm talking with the media, connecting with people.
Speaker 2: He just feels like a different guy. And when I
Speaker 2: was I got to the Oklahoma game really early, and
Speaker 2: I've adopted them as my program because I know people
Speaker 2: within the program. So I was talking and they're like, heyah,
Speaker 2: we got so many injuries, and it's like, uh, they
Speaker 2: get hurt in practice. He's like, yeah, we practice around
Speaker 2: here now like an NFL team, And I said a
Speaker 2: lot different than with Lincoln, and they all laughed, like
Speaker 2: it's a lot more physical around here. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think when you look at Kirby and Nick
Speaker 2: or defensive guys. So in Harbaugh essentially was a defensive
Speaker 2: guy too. It's inevitable their programs are going to be physical.
Speaker 2: Sark and and I think Ryan Day are good examples
Speaker 2: of they got a little Lincoln in them. They would
Speaker 2: much rather just score fifty throw the ball around. But
Speaker 2: I would say both those two guys are elite recruiters
Speaker 2: and it matters to them a lot. And the one
Speaker 2: thing watching Sark And I'm not trying to flip flop
Speaker 2: on them, but I was like, this guy really embraced
Speaker 2: I know they're good now, but you could just feel
Speaker 2: the vibe of him and his staff like he likes
Speaker 2: being there, the vibe of Texas, the fans, the program
Speaker 2: and listen, I'm not I don't like o ill State.
Speaker 2: Ryan Day takes a lot of pride in that program.
Speaker 2: You can tell it means a lot too. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: postgame interviews. So you use the other two top offensive
Speaker 2: guys right now in the country, Ryan Day and Sark
Speaker 2: the way you just describe Lincoln, Well, those guys, I mean,
Speaker 2: are feels like they're addicted to recruiting. And it's not
Speaker 2: like you know, they all got all these schools got money,
Speaker 2: and then their passion for their program feels pretty deep
Speaker 2: in their soul. This is why I was against the hire.
Speaker 2: Not because Lincoln didn't have a great resume in USC
Speaker 2: shouldn't want him. But there's a small Texas kid who
Speaker 2: kind of you know, got to cut his teeth at
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, working his way up and then got to
Speaker 2: inherit Oklahoma, which is an all time great program, which
Speaker 2: just loaded with offensive weapons. You know, a couple of
Speaker 2: them fell into their lap. Baker Mayfield just walked on
Speaker 2: the program. They didn't recruit him, he just he showed
Speaker 2: up on He was our starter for three years. Tyler
Speaker 2: was just out there, you know, they just got him
Speaker 2: in the recruiting portal. Jalen Hurtz was kicked out of Alabama.
Speaker 2: So it's like it was kind of some unique circumstances.
Speaker 2: And now you look at this. Caleb was a good
Speaker 2: Land and he kept a close relationship, but like, why
Speaker 2: doesn't he have like ten Calebs being at Oklahoma. There's
Speaker 2: like Trent Williams, all these guys like Bob Stoops. Over
Speaker 2: the years when I was at Fresno State, Pat Hill,
Speaker 2: Fresno State football meant more than his family beside his family.
Speaker 2: Nothing meant more to his life. When you watch Lincoln,
Speaker 2: it's like got a game one hundred and twenty million,
Speaker 2: like it was just a number he couldn't refuse.
Speaker 1: You know, john USC is one of not the best
Speaker 1: programs right now, but it's one of the five to
Speaker 1: eight biggest brands in college football. And Notre Dame, Bama, Georgia, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Michigan, those guys. When Michigan was really down,
Speaker 1: they still had Taylor Lawan going in the first round.
Speaker 1: Now Brady Hoak, they didn't have the kind of It
Speaker 1: took Hardbob about three years to build a back up.
Speaker 1: But the first sign. You can look at a program
Speaker 1: and they may not win national championships and Ryan Day
Speaker 1: may lose a lot of close games to big rivals.
Speaker 1: They the first and second round are littered with Buckeyes.
Speaker 1: There's NFL players everywhere. Begins a receiver, fact and their
Speaker 1: receiving cord this year is better than about a third
Speaker 1: of the NFL once. USC right now has a running
Speaker 1: back in Woody Marks that's probably a fifth round guy.
Speaker 1: They have a center Monheim play a second or a
Speaker 1: third round guy. He's probably a guard or a right
Speaker 1: tackle or a center in the NFL play a third
Speaker 1: round guy Kamari Ramsey's not eligible for the draft, but
Speaker 1: he's on the back end of the defense. He'll get
Speaker 1: He'll get drafted second or third round. He's a good player,
Speaker 1: best defensive player. That's about it. John thattt that that's
Speaker 1: about it. So three years in, with the transfer portal
Speaker 1: and a healthy nil bank, they just don't have enough
Speaker 1: good players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, you can't, Like, I get it. Recruiting sucks,
Speaker 2: but they pay it a ten eleven million dollars to
Speaker 2: figure this out. And if you're going to do this
Speaker 2: for a profession, you don't have a choice. Practice, Like,
Speaker 2: do you think Sark wants to be on the phone
Speaker 2: as we're speaking right now on Sunday night with some
Speaker 2: junior in high school somewhere of course now? But he
Speaker 2: wants to win. And I do wonder if you look
Speaker 2: back at Oklahoma they were It's just it's a unique
Speaker 2: spot for a small town Norman. They've been good for
Speaker 2: seventy years and it's kind of recruits itself, and they
Speaker 2: were good when he took over. This thing was much
Speaker 2: more when Sark took over Texas. I gave my lot.
Speaker 2: It was terrible, and within a couple of years, I'm
Speaker 2: standing there on the sideline watching the size of his
Speaker 2: offense and defensive li whoa I've been If you look
Speaker 2: at Ohio State and I'd have to text like to
Speaker 2: get exact numbers. If I just had a guess, Texas
Speaker 2: has five guys, they'll be drafted the top forty. I'm
Speaker 2: not even counting the quarterback. I just counting skill guys
Speaker 2: running back, probably an offensive line and a defensive line,
Speaker 2: and a linebacker may have a dB. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: not talking quarterback. So yeah, I mean I think USC.
Speaker 2: I think it's so far away. Obviously I didn't watch
Speaker 2: much of the Penn State game, but the Minnesota game,
Speaker 2: even the Michigan game, how hard they had to play
Speaker 2: to just keep that thing close against It was just
Speaker 2: I don't think you can fake toughness. And I think
Speaker 2: in life, you know, for most of our jobs, it's
Speaker 2: more mental toughness, right, It's having mental just the ability
Speaker 2: to battle through things, tough days, the good times. Just
Speaker 2: that's most successful people. Colin Coward, you name any industry.
Speaker 2: In football, there's this balance of mental and physical toughness.
Speaker 2: And as a football coach like Saban can't fake being
Speaker 2: a tough guy. Like when I was around Pat Hill,
Speaker 2: He's He's just naturally a tough guy. Right, Kirby Smart
Speaker 2: is just a tough guy. And I think Sark and
Speaker 2: Ryan Day can get away with a little bit because
Speaker 2: of their programs and the economics behind it. But they
Speaker 2: recruit really hard, and they try really hard. And I
Speaker 2: just look at Lincoln and go, he just does he
Speaker 2: care that much about recruiting. James Franklin say this about him.
Speaker 2: I would imagine if you just got Link and James
Speaker 2: Franklin on a whiteboard in front of like the ten
Speaker 2: best football coaches in America and saying press them, Lincoln's
Speaker 2: gonna win. But if I said, get on the phone
Speaker 2: and build a freaking team to try to win a
Speaker 2: national championship, I'll take James Franklin's roster. Ten out of
Speaker 2: ten times.
Speaker 1: I've been in the room, I've been in a room
Speaker 1: with James Franklin. Once it was at ESPN. I went
Speaker 1: about eight years ago. James Franklin literally walked in huge smile,
Speaker 1: races over me, eye contact, big smile, and I remember
Speaker 1: leaving that and I'm like I told something a buddy,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, wonder, he's such a great recruiter. I
Speaker 1: wanted to go play with him. In three seconds, eyes
Speaker 1: on me, Lock, big smile. You love college football. I
Speaker 1: love you for that. And I remember thinking, Oh, that's
Speaker 1: why he's got the pennant. This is why he's gonna
Speaker 1: be successful. Like in college, that doesn't matter in the pros, right,
Speaker 1: you select the players, but the high school players they
Speaker 1: select you. And so I don't feel that dynamic personality
Speaker 1: and it does matter. You could make an argument it's
Speaker 1: like Lincoln's a little Cliff Kingsbury in that I don't
Speaker 1: think Cliff liked recruiting, and I don't think he was
Speaker 1: great at the managing. And I think in the end
Speaker 1: Cliff's smart as hell, but not everybody is the right personality.
Speaker 1: And I listened five and eight in your last thirteen games.
Speaker 1: Don't want to waste too much time talking to USC,
Speaker 1: but it's listen. I can tell you this. They're not
Speaker 1: happy in the administration. Well there's hand a lot of
Speaker 1: money boosters are not happy. John Middlecoff Eagle Scout three
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