Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart
Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison along with Lauren Ziema. Happy Masters Week. Hello friends,
Speaker 1: I should say in honor of Jim Nance and the Masters,
Speaker 1: it is a big week, ladies. If you do not
Speaker 1: see you just said like ten words in a row
Speaker 1: that I didn't understand. If he did not see is
Speaker 1: this is about golf. This is about the Master's golf tournament.
Speaker 1: You're a significant other for the next four days. Just
Speaker 1: know he's sitting in front of a TV or he's
Speaker 1: like in the toilet, sitting there secretly watching, trying to
Speaker 1: find a moment. Totally. Look, I support you on it. Luckily,
Speaker 1: by the way, your kids are grown, they're in college.
Speaker 1: We're not like worried about parenting small children or something,
Speaker 1: because I think you could sit in front of that
Speaker 1: television for four days straight. Yea. What always fascinates me
Speaker 1: when you and I talk about golf and look like
Speaker 1: we said, we both love our we have our things,
Speaker 1: we have our passions, Like you're not going to home
Speaker 1: goods with me, but golf if it is a time
Speaker 1: suck man, I mean you can you go play it's
Speaker 1: four or five hours. You watch, it's four or five hours.
Speaker 1: In this case, you watch a tournament. It's all weekend.
Speaker 1: I don't have an equivalent activity there mt Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I don't. Yeah, I got nothing. We got and
Speaker 1: there's nothing where I'm like, see you in five hours,
Speaker 1: there's five days, see you in five days. But Chris,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's a fan. He is a very
Speaker 1: cute Augusta national. Look I know where it's played now
Speaker 1: five years into our relationship. He has a blanket from there.
Speaker 1: He has a mug and I set them out for
Speaker 1: him on the couch for him to watch and comfort
Speaker 1: it's raining outside. Cozy up with the men you love.
Speaker 1: Life couldn't be better, except I have one bone to
Speaker 1: pick with the world. Wow, doing this on Easter weekend?
Speaker 1: Can we not do this on Easter weekend? Is it
Speaker 1: an Muster weekend every year? No, it's it's just the
Speaker 1: way the calendar fell. I digress. What I really wanted
Speaker 1: to say about the most dramatic podcast ever is that
Speaker 1: we're doing things a little different. We're going to kind
Speaker 1: of split things up a little bit. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: have an interview show, but today is just going to
Speaker 1: be about headlines. And then later on there is a
Speaker 1: very special interview with Megan King Real Housewives Meghan King
Speaker 1: phenomenal questions to ask her that'll be dropping very soon
Speaker 1: as well, and then the Master's Golf Edition. No, I
Speaker 1: won't do that to you. I promise I won't do
Speaker 1: that to you. Maybe someday I bring on one of
Speaker 1: my friends who are golfers, because I do find it
Speaker 1: interesting the life that they have to live on the road.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a rock star life with their wives,
Speaker 1: their kids and how they make it all work. But
Speaker 1: that'll be for another day. I want to dive into
Speaker 1: headlines that hit home to us, and one that struck
Speaker 1: me very quickly. It was Tristan Thompson and the Chloe
Speaker 1: Kardashian moving in next door to each other. Now, you
Speaker 1: and I have nothing in common with Tristan Thompson or
Speaker 1: Chloe Kardashian. Well, I would disagree with Chloe. Chloe Tristan,
Speaker 1: I guess who went off and had affairs and broke
Speaker 1: up and whatever. But they live next to each other
Speaker 1: because they share children, and they said, you know, essentially,
Speaker 1: while Chloe has no romantic anything towards Tristan anymore. Tristan
Speaker 1: hasn't given up hope, Good luck, buddy, she said. It
Speaker 1: is nice just because they're close and when you're sharing children,
Speaker 1: you're sharing things. That's a lot easier. It's something that
Speaker 1: you and I went through. Well, that's the thing. There's
Speaker 1: one major thing we have in common with them, which
Speaker 1: is my ex moved in very close to us at
Speaker 1: the end of our street, at the end of our street.
Speaker 1: Put to put it in golf terms, let's keep this
Speaker 1: master's theme going. It's about a seven iron away out
Speaker 1: of our back. You got to stop putting in golf
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty yards because nobody knows. I don't
Speaker 1: know what one hundred and sixty yards is. You lost
Speaker 1: me there too. Give it to me in a visual aid.
Speaker 1: Do you know how long a football field? Absolutely no clue.
Speaker 1: How long is okay, from the beginning of a Starbucks
Speaker 1: drive through to the end and it'd be about ten
Speaker 1: of those. That is super helpful, okay. The length of
Speaker 1: home goods on one side, what do you call where
Speaker 1: Harry Potter, where they eight did the dining hall of
Speaker 1: the Gray Hall, About the length of the Gray Hall. Great, honey,
Speaker 1: great Hall, not the Gray Hall. Great great. Okay, oh god,
Speaker 1: you know what actually, oh my gosh, I just came
Speaker 1: up with it for the first time. This is an
Speaker 1: activity that takes me five hours. I will listen to
Speaker 1: Harry Potter on tape, a book on tape specifically for me,
Speaker 1: Harry Potter. There's my activity. So while you're watching The Masters,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and just listen Harry Potter on tape
Speaker 1: for a while. I'll go on to watch she do whatever,
Speaker 1: which I do on repeat anyway, Okay, so try on.
Speaker 1: So Tristan and Chloe, they live next to pretty much
Speaker 1: next to my thing is, you know, when my ex
Speaker 1: moved in next door to us, close to us. I'll
Speaker 1: admit my first thought was, dear God, no, like I
Speaker 1: have this little slice of earth over here, just can
Speaker 1: I please have a little space. So my first thought
Speaker 1: was please don't. But then I will say there were
Speaker 1: many advantages to the kids forgetting their shin guards on
Speaker 1: the way to soccer, or someone forgot a book or
Speaker 1: what have you, because the kids were fairly young when
Speaker 1: she moved next to you, before you and I started writing.
Speaker 1: So this happened early years ago, and so you know,
Speaker 1: kind of having access to each other's homes. We would
Speaker 1: do that often where she wasn't home or I wasn't
Speaker 1: home and someone needed something and they could just go
Speaker 1: in and get it. That did make life a little easier.
Speaker 1: I will say, I think it's great. I mean, I
Speaker 1: really actually. I know people got a lot of hate
Speaker 1: for the Kardashians on several things, but every time I've
Speaker 1: interviewed them, they've been lovely. I think they're incredible businesswomen,
Speaker 1: and I have always admired how much even though they
Speaker 1: have all this family drawn, they have always focused on
Speaker 1: keeping family together. They all live near each other, they
Speaker 1: prioritize each other. I've always been a little jealous of Wow,
Speaker 1: you found a way to film a show together as
Speaker 1: a family and be around each other all the time.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Like, what do we all want if not
Speaker 1: community with the people we love. And even though they're
Speaker 1: not with the fathers of their children, they've always kept
Speaker 1: them in their lives. And I'm a big proponent of that.
Speaker 1: Even not having kids, I still talk to my former
Speaker 1: sister in law and my former mother in law every
Speaker 1: single week, if not close to every day. I think
Speaker 1: build bridges, don't burn them if you can. And if
Speaker 1: there's love there, hold on to that love. Why let
Speaker 1: go of love if you can make it last. And
Speaker 1: the things that weren't advantageous, Ah, yes, okay, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have kids and I wasn't in
Speaker 1: a twenty year marriage, so that's got to have other
Speaker 1: levels of complexity and pain that I don't understand. The
Speaker 1: things that were to advantageous when I started dating again. Oh,
Speaker 1: the possibility that my ex and or my kids could
Speaker 1: walk in at any time. Oh, you've never told me
Speaker 1: about this. I didn't even think about that. So you
Speaker 1: were living, So you guys split up, right, you move?
Speaker 1: She stayed in your old house with the kids. At first,
Speaker 1: she stayed in the old house with the kids, and
Speaker 1: you moved into this new house, which is eventually where
Speaker 1: when we started dating, you were still there. So when
Speaker 1: you moved into the new house a few years later,
Speaker 1: she moved in at the end of the street. At first,
Speaker 1: I was about five miles apart from my original house.
Speaker 1: And then she got re engaged and eventually remarried. They
Speaker 1: had kids, other kids, so they needed a bigger house,
Speaker 1: so they had to find a house and somehow my
Speaker 1: neighborhood was the only house they could find, so they
Speaker 1: moved in down the streets. So she was married. I
Speaker 1: was still single and dating. I kind of just started
Speaker 1: dating really, and there were times when a you just
Speaker 1: worry if someone else's car is in front of your house.
Speaker 1: The kids could walk in at any time, she could
Speaker 1: walk in, and we kind of because at the beginning
Speaker 1: we just had this kind of unannounced it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: and then it kind of matters. So how do you
Speaker 1: have that discussion? It's hard to dial that back? What
Speaker 1: was the talk I mainly had to talk with the
Speaker 1: kids of like, hey, love to see you at any time.
Speaker 1: House is always open, of course, could you just give
Speaker 1: me a heads up, shoot me a text. Yeah, there's things,
Speaker 1: and they have cell phones yet they did at this
Speaker 1: point they finally, you know, they had cell phones, and
Speaker 1: that was kind of one of the I guess the
Speaker 1: impetus for getting Taylor. Joshuary had one, but my youngest
Speaker 1: a cell phone, probably a couple of years earlier than
Speaker 1: I wanted, just because when we were splitting up, it
Speaker 1: was a way to communicate without having to go through
Speaker 1: your ax. And so yes, they both had cell phones.
Speaker 1: But that's that was a weird stage of life. Did
Speaker 1: the kids ever walk in and you had somebody there
Speaker 1: or anything they did? It was, you know, nothing, nothing
Speaker 1: horrid that they'll have to deal with in therapy. But
Speaker 1: like you know, I tried to keep a low profile,
Speaker 1: especially where I was living. I tried to keep a
Speaker 1: very low profile. So it was very simple things of
Speaker 1: like just cooking or having dinner at my house or whatever.
Speaker 1: And it's just a weird thing for your kids to
Speaker 1: walk into because you don't if I already hadn't thought
Speaker 1: enough of this person yet to introduce them to my kids.
Speaker 1: You definitely don't want that. You don't want it sprung
Speaker 1: upon them when you want to be in control of
Speaker 1: how that introduction happenally. But but I understand what Tristan
Speaker 1: and Chloe are saying is overall, and I think you
Speaker 1: and I felt this even when we moved in together.
Speaker 1: It was helpful. It was nice to be able to
Speaker 1: just kind of go back and totally And for anyone
Speaker 1: who's worried about their ex living close by, I would
Speaker 1: say I actually was surprised when I first moved in
Speaker 1: with you how little we did run in to your ex,
Speaker 1: like I mean, I think maybe in a couple years
Speaker 1: of living with you, I saw her on a walk
Speaker 1: in the neighborhood once or twice. It's funny, like we
Speaker 1: all there's that running conspiracy theory joke you never see
Speaker 1: your neighbors bringing in their groceries, Like, are we all
Speaker 1: living in a simulation? We didn't really see her that much,
Speaker 1: and it was super easy with the kids, And I think,
Speaker 1: especially if you're coming from a family where you're in
Speaker 1: two households, you know, as close as you can be
Speaker 1: is going to make it better for the kids, you know.
Speaker 1: It made me think about you and how different breakups
Speaker 1: are and should be. Normally say, no kids are involved,
Speaker 1: what have you? You get divorced, you break up whatever
Speaker 1: it is, you break up your engagement. You could move
Speaker 1: to the far ends of the earth and never see
Speaker 1: each other, never hear from each other again. That's how
Speaker 1: it break up probably should be. It's a good emotional
Speaker 1: break Like you don't talk to your X now, don't
Speaker 1: see your X now. I just got a text from
Speaker 1: my ex as I was starting this podcast about flying
Speaker 1: our daughter home after school year, so like it's a
Speaker 1: contact you will always have. It's very businesslike at this point.
Speaker 1: We're very friendly and it's all fine. But that's just
Speaker 1: something you don't have to deal with. It's a very
Speaker 1: different dynamic. I mean, like I said, I still talk
Speaker 1: to my ex as family all the time. And what
Speaker 1: was interesting for me about that was I think people
Speaker 1: look a lot at divorce, you know, with kids, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, there's always going to be family there,
Speaker 1: you know, with kids, it's always forever. But actually, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have kids. But I loved his parents. I mean,
Speaker 1: I loved his siblings. I was the maid of honor
Speaker 1: at his sister's parents. You've we we all hang out, yes,
Speaker 1: m And I was maid of honor to his sister's wedding.
Speaker 1: You've met his sister and her husband there. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to even though we didn't have kids. I love
Speaker 1: them like they were my family because I believe when
Speaker 1: you marry someone, you're marrying their family and they become
Speaker 1: your family. And so I maybe selfishly I didn't want
Speaker 1: to give that up. But no, I haven't seen him
Speaker 1: in a long time, and if I saw him, it
Speaker 1: would be fine. You know. I want the best for him.
Speaker 1: Although I do think today, it's harder than ever to
Speaker 1: make that split right because of social media, of cell phones,
Speaker 1: of how easy it is to text and x and
Speaker 1: give into that. Um. So blessings to anybody who's going
Speaker 1: through a breakup right now, because I think it's so hard.
Speaker 1: You used to be able to just set it and
Speaker 1: forget it and never see them, never think about them.
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you because part of this
Speaker 1: Tristan and Chloe story is the alleged reporting that Tristan's
Speaker 1: holding out hope that they get back together. Now, what
Speaker 1: was very different about your ex moving in at the
Speaker 1: end of your street was as you said, she was
Speaker 1: I believe, already engaged at the time about to get remarried.
Speaker 1: How different would it have been if she said, like, look,
Speaker 1: I've got I want to get a bigger house, and
Speaker 1: I want to move into your neighborhod It's a great neighorhood.
Speaker 1: We can be close with the kids. But you were
Speaker 1: both still single. Would that have been different anyway? For sure?
Speaker 1: I think if either one of us had still been
Speaker 1: thirsty for that, it would have changed the dynamic exponentially.
Speaker 1: The fact that she was happy she was married that helped.
Speaker 1: So do you think Chloe should be drawing should she
Speaker 1: have that same thing that you had where Hay come
Speaker 1: and goes you please in the house or do you
Speaker 1: have to draw different boundaries. I think if you, especially
Speaker 1: if you know that the other person is wanting that
Speaker 1: and holding out hope, you just have to be abundantly
Speaker 1: clear that that door is closed. We can share child things,
Speaker 1: sports and school events and parent teacher meetings. Again, there's
Speaker 1: so many things in life that will draw you together.
Speaker 1: You go to your kids elementary school, there's two chairs
Speaker 1: sitting there for the parent teacher conference. It's still you
Speaker 1: guys typically if you want that. And so we just
Speaker 1: had this agreement that when it came to those things,
Speaker 1: you were always welcome there each other, and eventually her
Speaker 1: husband was as well, and then eventually you were. And
Speaker 1: so you just you have to set those boundaries. It is.
Speaker 1: It was a wondutiful thing to say with the kids,
Speaker 1: you're when it comes to stuff with the kids, you're
Speaker 1: always welcome, birthdays, holidays, that kind of stuff. And again,
Speaker 1: it took work, swallowing pride and all those things. I
Speaker 1: know it's not that for everybody when you go through
Speaker 1: a divorce. I know you did an amazing I know
Speaker 1: it can be toxic and horrible, and God bless those
Speaker 1: people that have to go through. We're actually going to
Speaker 1: get to well, I'm going to end this conversation actually
Speaker 1: with a little drop of wisdom from my mother, who
Speaker 1: was a divorce attorney until she couldn't take it anymore
Speaker 1: because it was too dark of a business. She always
Speaker 1: told me, honestly, Mary, pretty much, any one be very
Speaker 1: careful who you have children with. Amen to that. The
Speaker 1: next headline that hit home to us Christina Aguilera. So
Speaker 1: she went on a podcast, the podcast Call Her Daddy,
Speaker 1: Call Her Daddy Podcast, which is very sexual in nature
Speaker 1: and sexual forward. And if you go on there, it's
Speaker 1: kind of going on Howard Stern. You know you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to give up the goods a little bit and
Speaker 1: talk about things. So she did. She played ball. Oh
Speaker 1: that was that was a good pun, dirty dad joke
Speaker 1: of the week. She talked about She talked about oral
Speaker 1: sex and have you ever said oral sex out loud
Speaker 1: on any show or podcast? Only during the Bill Clinton deposition, No,
Speaker 1: I've never said oral sex. There's a few things I'm
Speaker 1: about to say that I've never said, never said on
Speaker 1: any broadcast that you've done. Okay. Christina Aguilera, who's forty
Speaker 1: two years old now, talked about giving oral sex. She said,
Speaker 1: swallowing is really a good thing. It's got a lot
Speaker 1: of protein. Okay, doctor Aguilera. She goes on to give tips.
Speaker 1: She noted that it's really important to be with a
Speaker 1: partner where you can really explore. I agree. She explains
Speaker 1: sexuality as a very specific thing, so like one guy
Speaker 1: might like what one guy might like, another one doesn't.
Speaker 1: And there are some guys that don't like their balls
Speaker 1: being touched. Okay, Christina, there are some guys. This one
Speaker 1: really got me. There are some guys that like brutal
Speaker 1: things happening to them. Oh, brutal when you're talking about
Speaker 1: that area and that and that act, I don't think
Speaker 1: the word brutal should ever come into how you're treating
Speaker 1: that area. Maybe some people are into it. What the
Speaker 1: hell do you love while that's happening. That's brutal. Don't
Speaker 1: be judgmental. Maybe some people have kings. I mean, I look,
Speaker 1: I haven't open I have an open muff. Fred. I
Speaker 1: think it's you're in picturing pain in that area, and
Speaker 1: I have an open mind. I like to be about
Speaker 1: free love. Hey, whatever floats your boat, but when it
Speaker 1: comes to brutal, like, I really need some specifics of
Speaker 1: what the hell is she doing to this man? Well,
Speaker 1: maybe she met brutal not in that area, but other
Speaker 1: parts of the body. People are into s and M stuff.
Speaker 1: But I digress the real reason this kind of hit me.
Speaker 1: And she we're gonna say, let's tell the people why
Speaker 1: this hit home. Yeah, and she went on to that
Speaker 1: that actually literally hit home. But she said about her
Speaker 1: virginity that she probably lost her virginity later than most
Speaker 1: people would expect. I was probably the last person to
Speaker 1: lose my virginity. When we both read this article, we
Speaker 1: took very different things. I took it is there a
Speaker 1: thing called sharing too much? In these situations? I get
Speaker 1: you go on these podcasts now and it's kind of
Speaker 1: in vogue to really overshare, and a great interviewer like
Speaker 1: a Howard Stern or something like that, we'll get that
Speaker 1: from you. They will get you to go places maybe
Speaker 1: you didn't intend to go because you feel so comfortable.
Speaker 1: But I just don't know if I need to know
Speaker 1: everything all the time. Well, first of all, I don't
Speaker 1: think this probably is everything. I mean, well, look, obviously
Speaker 1: she's sharing a piece of her life. I do think
Speaker 1: you go on call her daddy in knowing that you're
Speaker 1: going to get into some of that stuff, just like
Speaker 1: people knew, as you said, they'd have a different vibe
Speaker 1: on Howard Stern. I think so. And I haven't listened
Speaker 1: to the episode, but when I started reading this, it
Speaker 1: took me back. I'm actually doing a Sex in the
Speaker 1: City rewatch right now. I'm rewatching the show and I
Speaker 1: hadn't watched it in full since around the time when
Speaker 1: it was first on. I think I watched it like
Speaker 1: in my late high school early college years, and as
Speaker 1: I'm rewatching it, I'm thinking, man, I was young to
Speaker 1: be watching this show, Like I kind of forgot how
Speaker 1: much they got into on that show. And I do think.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an incredible show. The writing and it
Speaker 1: was revolutionary and the way that it normalized talking about
Speaker 1: I watched several episodes with you and I've been captivated. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's such a good show. It's about relationships at it's core,
Speaker 1: which is really what makes it stand the test of time.
Speaker 1: Female relationship. Yeah, friendships, and so I love everything about
Speaker 1: Sex in the city. But when I look back, I
Speaker 1: do think, like I was watching that show before i'd
Speaker 1: as the phrase goes lost my own virginity when I
Speaker 1: was so sexually curious, I was getting a lot of
Speaker 1: information from it, probably, and I think maybe the problem
Speaker 1: was that I was getting the information of how to
Speaker 1: have sex as like a confident, independent, thirty two year
Speaker 1: old woman, instead of how to have sex as a
Speaker 1: teenager or a young college student who's just beginning. And
Speaker 1: so I was applying the wrong mindset as I, you know,
Speaker 1: embarked on my own journey, and I was thinking that
Speaker 1: about you know, I think that happens to a lot
Speaker 1: of kids. I think whether it's podcasts or TV shows,
Speaker 1: you know, kids at that age are so looking for
Speaker 1: their so curious, And it just kind of drove home
Speaker 1: to me how important it is for parents to be
Speaker 1: able to talk to their kids about sexuality, because I
Speaker 1: was definitely getting a lot of information from the wrong
Speaker 1: places and not from experts or not from this place
Speaker 1: of I don't know, groundedness. And one phrase that really
Speaker 1: stuck out to me, and this is not anything against
Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera, I just hate the phrase losing your virginity
Speaker 1: I've always hated that phrase. Why what strikes a chord
Speaker 1: with you? Because what it implies is that, like, to me,
Speaker 1: the word lose is like you've lost it, like you've
Speaker 1: made a mistake. You know, you've you've Like what else
Speaker 1: do we apply the word lose to that's positive in
Speaker 1: any way? Losing something is always bad that you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I've never thought of it from that angle,
Speaker 1: and I immediately my mind went to the church, which
Speaker 1: is where this phrase probably came from. The Virgin Mary.
Speaker 1: Virginity in general was a I'm guessing probably if I
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess a Catholic phrase for something of
Speaker 1: that sort, and so they probably wanted that meaning a
Speaker 1: sign to it. There was guilt if you weren't married.
Speaker 1: There was guilt if you weren't in this certain relationship
Speaker 1: under the guise of God and the Church. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's where that came from. I think that having sex
Speaker 1: is normal. It's something we're all going to do, right,
Speaker 1: and so what we need to teach is have sex
Speaker 1: for the first time in a way where like you
Speaker 1: feel comfortable, you feel respected, you feel appreciated, you have
Speaker 1: confidence in how that this person is going to value you,
Speaker 1: and especially I think there's a narrative like typically I
Speaker 1: do think it's changing. But young straight women are taught, like,
Speaker 1: you know, be careful who you lose your virginity too,
Speaker 1: and again it's losing it in your first time. And
Speaker 1: then young straight men are like, I gotta like I
Speaker 1: want to have sex as soon as possible. And so
Speaker 1: these two groups are set at this difficult dynamic towards
Speaker 1: each other. And so I don't know this is It's
Speaker 1: again nothing about Christina Aguilera. I just want to reframe
Speaker 1: the lose your virginity phrase. I need a better phrase.
Speaker 1: Let's if you come up with something. Let's just jump in.
Speaker 1: Let's coin a new phrase. I mean, it could be
Speaker 1: as simple as when you have sex for the first time.
Speaker 1: That's all we have to do. Gaining instead of losing,
Speaker 1: it's gaining your when you gain your sexuality, gain your sexuality. Wow,
Speaker 1: gain is positive. Choose, choose or gain or I love that. Okay,
Speaker 1: there we go real quick on the oversharing thing. Though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you and I've talked about this a little bit. I
Speaker 1: do think it's interesting. I actually think we agree on
Speaker 1: something that women to typically tend to share a little
Speaker 1: more than men, and whether it's culturally or in paining
Speaker 1: the broad brush. But Lauren and I have had this
Speaker 1: discussion before. I think I feel like I bond with
Speaker 1: my friends through very intimate sharing, and I share more
Speaker 1: than you do. However, there is this interesting thing that happens.
Speaker 1: I do think you and I both have said when
Speaker 1: we find someone who we really love or in a
Speaker 1: really close relationship with, you actually share less about the
Speaker 1: intimate details of that relationship, like the sexuality. Like I
Speaker 1: I was with a bunch of guys yesterday. We were
Speaker 1: at this event, guys I know very well, and while
Speaker 1: things got off color and you know, we told jokes
Speaker 1: and it's not like everybody was being PG, but nobody
Speaker 1: would talk about their fiancee or wife, Like, no one
Speaker 1: would talk about the intimacy of that. No one's going
Speaker 1: to be like dude. Last night, my wife and I
Speaker 1: we were at five rounds, bouncing off the walls. I've
Speaker 1: been her over the bedside. It's like that just I
Speaker 1: nobody wants to hear that. And if a guy ever did,
Speaker 1: I think there would be a record scratch moment where
Speaker 1: everyone in the group is like, dude, Like why are
Speaker 1: you talking about. We just don't share those things interesting,
Speaker 1: typical guys don't. I do share. I think women share
Speaker 1: a little more intimately, but not from this place of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I will say, there's definitely less. It's
Speaker 1: more when you're in a serious relationship, there's less sharing. Although,
Speaker 1: how do you think is the most intimate thing you've
Speaker 1: shared about me? The most? Well, it's more so intimate
Speaker 1: sharing about like our communication, our relationship, the way you
Speaker 1: love me, that kind of thing. So that's a different
Speaker 1: type of intimacy, right, I share the emotional details. Um,
Speaker 1: when it comes to our sex life, I do. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: maybe i'll I do share something. The only thing I
Speaker 1: ever shared my closest bread. The only thing I ever
Speaker 1: shared was how brutal you were that one? No, all right,
Speaker 1: let's finish up with one last story. There was one
Speaker 1: story that hit home to us. Before I get Elsie
Speaker 1: in trouble about talking about my sex life, there was
Speaker 1: a story that just came out about Brookshields. She did
Speaker 1: an interview speaking of Howard Stern. I think one of
Speaker 1: the great interviewers of our of our time. UM, love Howard,
Speaker 1: whether you like his show or not. He's a good interviewer.
Speaker 1: He's a great interviewer. Um. And she came out on
Speaker 1: Howard Stern. She's talking about this relationship she had with
Speaker 1: JFK Jr. And how there was a moment that they
Speaker 1: went on a date. They shared a kiss, as she said,
Speaker 1: the best kiss of her life, and it got to
Speaker 1: the point in the date where there was sex on
Speaker 1: the table. He wanted to and she decided, no, I
Speaker 1: don't want to go there because my heart and soul
Speaker 1: is into this. If I do this, I'm scared to
Speaker 1: death of where this might go. And she rebuffed him
Speaker 1: and turned it down, and she was worried if she
Speaker 1: gave in, he wouldn't talk to her again. Well, it
Speaker 1: turns out the next day they were on the ski slips,
Speaker 1: I guess, on a ski trip. He kind of ghosted
Speaker 1: her and ignored her. And I know, I just I
Speaker 1: found this interesting on a lot of levels. They were
Speaker 1: very young at the time I looked it up. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly how old they were, but he was
Speaker 1: five years older than her. Yeah, so maybe they're twenty five.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But and Brookshields of course came you know,
Speaker 1: was a huge sex symbol in my generation. Growing really
Speaker 1: interesting document I think the documentary coming out is called
Speaker 1: about her, is called pretty Baby, which is why she's
Speaker 1: honest pressed to her and she talks about being so
Speaker 1: sexualized at such a young age. I mean such a
Speaker 1: young age. I remember me, I was trying to think
Speaker 1: how old she is right now. She's a fifty seven.
Speaker 1: I think she's fifty seven, So yeah, she's six years
Speaker 1: older than I am. So we grew up about the same.
Speaker 1: She was always a little older, and so I found
Speaker 1: her beautiful and attractive, and again she was being sexualized
Speaker 1: in front of all of us as we were growing up.
Speaker 1: It was I can only imagine at that time. You
Speaker 1: don't have the perspective in the thought to think about that,
Speaker 1: but it had to have been unbelievable pressure for a
Speaker 1: young girl. Well, what I was interested in about this
Speaker 1: was that she had I really applauded her awareness of
Speaker 1: the situation. Here. She said JFK. Junior gave her the
Speaker 1: best kiss of her life, and then she decided she
Speaker 1: couldn't have sex with him because she knew she'd fall
Speaker 1: for him too hard. She'd always had a crush on him,
Speaker 1: and she was afraid he would just you know, dump
Speaker 1: her after she's been love with them since she was
Speaker 1: like three. I mean it wasn't. Yeah. So what I
Speaker 1: loved about this, and because I think it applies whether
Speaker 1: you're kissing someone, dating someone, especially if you're having sex
Speaker 1: with someone, is that the power dynamic has to be equal,
Speaker 1: you know, like you have to feel and its advice
Speaker 1: I guess I would give any speaking of gaining your sexuality.
Speaker 1: If you're going to have sex with somebody, you've got
Speaker 1: to feel like you're on equal footing. I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest components of whether you choose to
Speaker 1: have sex with someone. And she felt here that she
Speaker 1: was way too in love with him, that she was
Speaker 1: way too into him, and she didn't think he was
Speaker 1: as into her. If she had had sex with him,
Speaker 1: you're heading into dangerous ground there to get yourself hurt.
Speaker 1: And I think this applies no matter how old you are,
Speaker 1: like throughout your life. But I do disagree. Tell me no,
Speaker 1: I completely agree. And it was interesting that that's that's
Speaker 1: where you went with this because I took it initially
Speaker 1: in a totally different direction. I was thinking JFK. Junior
Speaker 1: is dead, tragically died, is there a statue, and this
Speaker 1: is in the gray area. I don't think she went
Speaker 1: too far. I don't think Brookshield said anything wrong. I
Speaker 1: just thought he's not around to rebuff this, to contradict this,
Speaker 1: to give his side of the story, like it may
Speaker 1: have been something cute where JFK. Junior came back and said,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I loved you too all those years
Speaker 1: I always wanted and you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: you'll never hear his side of the story. He just
Speaker 1: kind of makes him seem like a bit of a scoundrel,
Speaker 1: like maybe he didn't talk to her the next day
Speaker 1: because he was an insecure guy and his feelings got
Speaker 1: hurt and he really loved her, and who knows, like
Speaker 1: you just but we will never know, And so you're
Speaker 1: only going to hear this in her context. And that's
Speaker 1: how this is painted. Is there a time and a
Speaker 1: place where you can no longer? Is this over sharing?
Speaker 1: Is it? You know what I mean? Do we get
Speaker 1: to tell these stories? Oh? I didn't. Well, I think
Speaker 1: it's specific of the content I minded on this one
Speaker 1: because it's essentially they kiss, nothing happened. I think the
Speaker 1: worst thing she said about him was he was quote
Speaker 1: less than chivalrous. If it had been more, you know,
Speaker 1: then you if it had been something where it was
Speaker 1: really going to permanently tarnish his image. But I guess
Speaker 1: this is also like a bit believable to me. Like JFK.
Speaker 1: Junior was incredibly handsome and had the world at his feet,
Speaker 1: and he probably was a little bit of a scoundrel.
Speaker 1: I'm sure not to tarnish him, but I wouldn't surprise
Speaker 1: me if he's twenty five, twenty six, story seven years old,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't know, that wouldn't be shocking news
Speaker 1: when we think of the people that have the world
Speaker 1: by the tail, you know, young George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio,
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt or Bono, whoever, Guy FIERTI, Okay, we all
Speaker 1: have weird vices and taste. But JFK. Junior, I just
Speaker 1: can't fathom what that life was like, being devastatingly handsome,
Speaker 1: being jfk'son having that power hour and that I mean,
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine. I will say, what's fascinating about
Speaker 1: the idea of the two of them dating is like
Speaker 1: I wish it had was it public, if there would
Speaker 1: never be a more power couple in the history of
Speaker 1: the world. I wasn't you tell me? Was it known
Speaker 1: that they had dated or kissed or anything? I don't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I think again, no tabloids, no
Speaker 1: social media. They actually could have had a nice date
Speaker 1: in Aspen or wherever they were and kissed and no
Speaker 1: one would know. This gorgeous movie star and the handsome
Speaker 1: young prince of politics in America, Oh my god, who
Speaker 1: probably would have gone on to be President of the
Speaker 1: United States. Incredible. Well, and that's the story. That's the sharing.
Speaker 1: You love that she shared this story. Speaking of oversharing,
Speaker 1: I think we did a little bit today, but I
Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it. The takeaways from our headlines that
Speaker 1: hit home. Number one, it's okay to live close to
Speaker 1: your X. Number two, don't be brutal when performing oral
Speaker 1: sex unless someone's asking you to exactly. Number three, what's
Speaker 1: our takeaway from the Brookshield story. I think that power
Speaker 1: dynamic matters. I think whenever you're entering dating, sexuality, whatever,
Speaker 1: you have to feel that you're both on equal footing
Speaker 1: about why you're there. And the number four takeaway from
Speaker 1: today thanking you appreciate you being here. I appreciate sitting
Speaker 1: here with Lauren on a stormy day here in Austin,
Speaker 1: Texas and just reflecting and going through all the big
Speaker 1: stories of the day. So thank you for your time
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