1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison along with Lauren Ziema. Happy Masters Week. Hello friends, 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: I should say in honor of Jim Nance and the Masters, 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: it is a big week, ladies. If you do not 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: see you just said like ten words in a row 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: that I didn't understand. If he did not see is 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: this is about golf. This is about the Master's golf tournament. 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: You're a significant other for the next four days. Just 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: know he's sitting in front of a TV or he's 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: like in the toilet, sitting there secretly watching, trying to 12 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: find a moment. Totally. Look, I support you on it. Luckily, 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: by the way, your kids are grown, they're in college. 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: We're not like worried about parenting small children or something, 15 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: because I think you could sit in front of that 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: television for four days straight. Yea. What always fascinates me 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: when you and I talk about golf and look like 18 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: we said, we both love our we have our things, 19 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: we have our passions, Like you're not going to home 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: goods with me, but golf if it is a time 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: suck man, I mean you can you go play it's 22 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: four or five hours. You watch, it's four or five hours. 23 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: In this case, you watch a tournament. It's all weekend. 24 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't have an equivalent activity there mt Well, I mean, 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: but I don't. Yeah, I got nothing. We got and 26 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing where I'm like, see you in five hours, 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: there's five days, see you in five days. But Chris, 28 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: I mean, look, he's a fan. He is a very 29 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: cute Augusta national. Look I know where it's played now 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: five years into our relationship. He has a blanket from there. 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: He has a mug and I set them out for 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: him on the couch for him to watch and comfort 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: it's raining outside. Cozy up with the men you love. 34 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: Life couldn't be better, except I have one bone to 35 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: pick with the world. Wow, doing this on Easter weekend? 36 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: Can we not do this on Easter weekend? Is it 37 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: an Muster weekend every year? No, it's it's just the 38 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: way the calendar fell. I digress. What I really wanted 39 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: to say about the most dramatic podcast ever is that 40 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: we're doing things a little different. We're going to kind 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: of split things up a little bit. So we're gonna 42 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: have an interview show, but today is just going to 43 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: be about headlines. And then later on there is a 44 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: very special interview with Megan King Real Housewives Meghan King 45 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: phenomenal questions to ask her that'll be dropping very soon 46 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: as well, and then the Master's Golf Edition. No, I 47 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: won't do that to you. I promise I won't do 48 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: that to you. Maybe someday I bring on one of 49 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: my friends who are golfers, because I do find it 50 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: interesting the life that they have to live on the road. 51 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of like a rock star life with their wives, 52 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: their kids and how they make it all work. But 53 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: that'll be for another day. I want to dive into 54 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: headlines that hit home to us, and one that struck 55 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: me very quickly. It was Tristan Thompson and the Chloe 56 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Kardashian moving in next door to each other. Now, you 57 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: and I have nothing in common with Tristan Thompson or 58 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: Chloe Kardashian. Well, I would disagree with Chloe. Chloe Tristan, 59 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: I guess who went off and had affairs and broke 60 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: up and whatever. But they live next to each other 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: because they share children, and they said, you know, essentially, 62 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: while Chloe has no romantic anything towards Tristan anymore. Tristan 63 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: hasn't given up hope, Good luck, buddy, she said. It 64 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: is nice just because they're close and when you're sharing children, 65 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: you're sharing things. That's a lot easier. It's something that 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: you and I went through. Well, that's the thing. There's 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: one major thing we have in common with them, which 68 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: is my ex moved in very close to us at 69 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: the end of our street, at the end of our street. 70 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: Put to put it in golf terms, let's keep this 71 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: master's theme going. It's about a seven iron away out 72 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: of our back. You got to stop putting in golf 73 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty yards because nobody knows. I don't 74 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: know what one hundred and sixty yards is. You lost 75 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: me there too. Give it to me in a visual aid. 76 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: Do you know how long a football field? Absolutely no clue. 77 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: How long is okay, from the beginning of a Starbucks 78 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: drive through to the end and it'd be about ten 79 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: of those. That is super helpful, okay. The length of 80 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: home goods on one side, what do you call where 81 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: Harry Potter, where they eight did the dining hall of 82 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: the Gray Hall, About the length of the Gray Hall. Great, honey, 83 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: great Hall, not the Gray Hall. Great great. Okay, oh god, 84 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: you know what actually, oh my gosh, I just came 85 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: up with it for the first time. This is an 86 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 1: activity that takes me five hours. I will listen to 87 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: Harry Potter on tape, a book on tape specifically for me, 88 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: Harry Potter. There's my activity. So while you're watching The Masters, 89 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and just listen Harry Potter on tape 90 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: for a while. I'll go on to watch she do whatever, 91 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: which I do on repeat anyway, Okay, so try on. 92 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: So Tristan and Chloe, they live next to pretty much 93 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: next to my thing is, you know, when my ex 94 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: moved in next door to us, close to us. I'll 95 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: admit my first thought was, dear God, no, like I 96 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: have this little slice of earth over here, just can 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: I please have a little space. So my first thought 98 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: was please don't. But then I will say there were 99 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: many advantages to the kids forgetting their shin guards on 100 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: the way to soccer, or someone forgot a book or 101 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: what have you, because the kids were fairly young when 102 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: she moved next to you, before you and I started writing. 103 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: So this happened early years ago, and so you know, 104 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: kind of having access to each other's homes. We would 105 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: do that often where she wasn't home or I wasn't 106 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: home and someone needed something and they could just go 107 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: in and get it. That did make life a little easier. 108 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: I will say, I think it's great. I mean, I 109 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: really actually. I know people got a lot of hate 110 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: for the Kardashians on several things, but every time I've 111 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: interviewed them, they've been lovely. I think they're incredible businesswomen, 112 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: and I have always admired how much even though they 113 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: have all this family drawn, they have always focused on 114 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: keeping family together. They all live near each other, they 115 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: prioritize each other. I've always been a little jealous of Wow, 116 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: you found a way to film a show together as 117 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: a family and be around each other all the time. 118 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Like, what do we all want if not 119 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: community with the people we love. And even though they're 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: not with the fathers of their children, they've always kept 121 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: them in their lives. And I'm a big proponent of that. 122 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: Even not having kids, I still talk to my former 123 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: sister in law and my former mother in law every 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: single week, if not close to every day. I think 125 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: build bridges, don't burn them if you can. And if 126 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: there's love there, hold on to that love. Why let 127 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: go of love if you can make it last. And 128 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: the things that weren't advantageous, Ah, yes, okay, and I don't. 129 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have kids and I wasn't in 130 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: a twenty year marriage, so that's got to have other 131 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: levels of complexity and pain that I don't understand. The 132 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: things that were to advantageous when I started dating again. Oh, 133 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: the possibility that my ex and or my kids could 134 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: walk in at any time. Oh, you've never told me 135 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: about this. I didn't even think about that. So you 136 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: were living, So you guys split up, right, you move? 137 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: She stayed in your old house with the kids. At first, 138 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: she stayed in the old house with the kids, and 139 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: you moved into this new house, which is eventually where 140 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: when we started dating, you were still there. So when 141 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: you moved into the new house a few years later, 142 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: she moved in at the end of the street. At first, 143 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: I was about five miles apart from my original house. 144 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: And then she got re engaged and eventually remarried. They 145 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: had kids, other kids, so they needed a bigger house, 146 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: so they had to find a house and somehow my 147 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: neighborhood was the only house they could find, so they 148 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: moved in down the streets. So she was married. I 149 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: was still single and dating. I kind of just started 150 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: dating really, and there were times when a you just 151 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: worry if someone else's car is in front of your house. 152 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: The kids could walk in at any time, she could 153 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: walk in, and we kind of because at the beginning 154 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: we just had this kind of unannounced it doesn't matter, 155 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: and then it kind of matters. So how do you 156 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: have that discussion? It's hard to dial that back? What 157 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: was the talk I mainly had to talk with the 158 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: kids of like, hey, love to see you at any time. 159 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: House is always open, of course, could you just give 160 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: me a heads up, shoot me a text. Yeah, there's things, 161 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: and they have cell phones yet they did at this 162 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: point they finally, you know, they had cell phones, and 163 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: that was kind of one of the I guess the 164 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: impetus for getting Taylor. Joshuary had one, but my youngest 165 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: a cell phone, probably a couple of years earlier than 166 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: I wanted, just because when we were splitting up, it 167 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: was a way to communicate without having to go through 168 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: your ax. And so yes, they both had cell phones. 169 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: But that's that was a weird stage of life. Did 170 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: the kids ever walk in and you had somebody there 171 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: or anything they did? It was, you know, nothing, nothing 172 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: horrid that they'll have to deal with in therapy. But 173 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: like you know, I tried to keep a low profile, 174 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: especially where I was living. I tried to keep a 175 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: very low profile. So it was very simple things of 176 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: like just cooking or having dinner at my house or whatever. 177 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: And it's just a weird thing for your kids to 178 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: walk into because you don't if I already hadn't thought 179 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: enough of this person yet to introduce them to my kids. 180 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: You definitely don't want that. You don't want it sprung 181 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: upon them when you want to be in control of 182 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: how that introduction happenally. But but I understand what Tristan 183 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: and Chloe are saying is overall, and I think you 184 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: and I felt this even when we moved in together. 185 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: It was helpful. It was nice to be able to 186 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: just kind of go back and totally And for anyone 187 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: who's worried about their ex living close by, I would 188 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: say I actually was surprised when I first moved in 189 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: with you how little we did run in to your ex, 190 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: like I mean, I think maybe in a couple years 191 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: of living with you, I saw her on a walk 192 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood once or twice. It's funny, like we 193 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: all there's that running conspiracy theory joke you never see 194 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: your neighbors bringing in their groceries, Like, are we all 195 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: living in a simulation? We didn't really see her that much, 196 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: and it was super easy with the kids, And I think, 197 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: especially if you're coming from a family where you're in 198 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: two households, you know, as close as you can be 199 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: is going to make it better for the kids, you know. 200 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: It made me think about you and how different breakups 201 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: are and should be. Normally say, no kids are involved, 202 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: what have you? You get divorced, you break up whatever 203 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: it is, you break up your engagement. You could move 204 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: to the far ends of the earth and never see 205 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: each other, never hear from each other again. That's how 206 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: it break up probably should be. It's a good emotional 207 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: break Like you don't talk to your X now, don't 208 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: see your X now. I just got a text from 209 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: my ex as I was starting this podcast about flying 210 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: our daughter home after school year, so like it's a 211 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: contact you will always have. It's very businesslike at this point. 212 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: We're very friendly and it's all fine. But that's just 213 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: something you don't have to deal with. It's a very 214 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: different dynamic. I mean, like I said, I still talk 215 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: to my ex as family all the time. And what 216 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: was interesting for me about that was I think people 217 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: look a lot at divorce, you know, with kids, and 218 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: it's like, well, there's always going to be family there, 219 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, with kids, it's always forever. But actually, you know, 220 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: we didn't have kids. But I loved his parents. I mean, 221 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: I loved his siblings. I was the maid of honor 222 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: at his sister's parents. You've we we all hang out, yes, 223 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: m And I was maid of honor to his sister's wedding. 224 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: You've met his sister and her husband there. I didn't 225 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: want to even though we didn't have kids. I love 226 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: them like they were my family because I believe when 227 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 1: you marry someone, you're marrying their family and they become 228 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: your family. And so I maybe selfishly I didn't want 229 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: to give that up. But no, I haven't seen him 230 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: in a long time, and if I saw him, it 231 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: would be fine. You know. I want the best for him. 232 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: Although I do think today, it's harder than ever to 233 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: make that split right because of social media, of cell phones, 234 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: of how easy it is to text and x and 235 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: give into that. Um. So blessings to anybody who's going 236 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: through a breakup right now, because I think it's so hard. 237 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: You used to be able to just set it and 238 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: forget it and never see them, never think about them. 239 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: I did want to ask you because part of this 240 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: Tristan and Chloe story is the alleged reporting that Tristan's 241 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: holding out hope that they get back together. Now, what 242 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: was very different about your ex moving in at the 243 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: end of your street was as you said, she was 244 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: I believe, already engaged at the time about to get remarried. 245 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: How different would it have been if she said, like, look, 246 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: I've got I want to get a bigger house, and 247 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: I want to move into your neighborhod It's a great neighorhood. 248 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: We can be close with the kids. But you were 249 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: both still single. Would that have been different anyway? For sure? 250 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: I think if either one of us had still been 251 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: thirsty for that, it would have changed the dynamic exponentially. 252 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: The fact that she was happy she was married that helped. 253 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: So do you think Chloe should be drawing should she 254 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: have that same thing that you had where Hay come 255 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,599 Speaker 1: and goes you please in the house or do you 256 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: have to draw different boundaries. I think if you, especially 257 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: if you know that the other person is wanting that 258 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: and holding out hope, you just have to be abundantly 259 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: clear that that door is closed. We can share child things, 260 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: sports and school events and parent teacher meetings. Again, there's 261 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: so many things in life that will draw you together. 262 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: You go to your kids elementary school, there's two chairs 263 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: sitting there for the parent teacher conference. It's still you 264 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: guys typically if you want that. And so we just 265 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: had this agreement that when it came to those things, 266 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: you were always welcome there each other, and eventually her 267 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: husband was as well, and then eventually you were. And 268 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: so you just you have to set those boundaries. It is. 269 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: It was a wondutiful thing to say with the kids, 270 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: you're when it comes to stuff with the kids, you're 271 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: always welcome, birthdays, holidays, that kind of stuff. And again, 272 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: it took work, swallowing pride and all those things. I 273 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: know it's not that for everybody when you go through 274 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: a divorce. I know you did an amazing I know 275 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: it can be toxic and horrible, and God bless those 276 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: people that have to go through. We're actually going to 277 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: get to well, I'm going to end this conversation actually 278 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: with a little drop of wisdom from my mother, who 279 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: was a divorce attorney until she couldn't take it anymore 280 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: because it was too dark of a business. She always 281 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: told me, honestly, Mary, pretty much, any one be very 282 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: careful who you have children with. Amen to that. The 283 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: next headline that hit home to us Christina Aguilera. So 284 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: she went on a podcast, the podcast Call Her Daddy, 285 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: Call Her Daddy Podcast, which is very sexual in nature 286 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: and sexual forward. And if you go on there, it's 287 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: kind of going on Howard Stern. You know you're gonna 288 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: have to give up the goods a little bit and 289 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: talk about things. So she did. She played ball. Oh 290 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: that was that was a good pun, dirty dad joke 291 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: of the week. She talked about She talked about oral 292 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: sex and have you ever said oral sex out loud 293 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: on any show or podcast? Only during the Bill Clinton deposition, No, 294 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: I've never said oral sex. There's a few things I'm 295 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: about to say that I've never said, never said on 296 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: any broadcast that you've done. Okay. Christina Aguilera, who's forty 297 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: two years old now, talked about giving oral sex. She said, 298 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: swallowing is really a good thing. It's got a lot 299 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: of protein. Okay, doctor Aguilera. She goes on to give tips. 300 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: She noted that it's really important to be with a 301 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: partner where you can really explore. I agree. She explains 302 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: sexuality as a very specific thing, so like one guy 303 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: might like what one guy might like, another one doesn't. 304 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: And there are some guys that don't like their balls 305 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: being touched. Okay, Christina, there are some guys. This one 306 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: really got me. There are some guys that like brutal 307 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: things happening to them. Oh, brutal when you're talking about 308 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: that area and that and that act, I don't think 309 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: the word brutal should ever come into how you're treating 310 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: that area. Maybe some people are into it. What the 311 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: hell do you love while that's happening. That's brutal. Don't 312 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: be judgmental. Maybe some people have kings. I mean, I look, 313 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: I haven't open I have an open muff. Fred. I 314 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: think it's you're in picturing pain in that area, and 315 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: I have an open mind. I like to be about 316 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: free love. Hey, whatever floats your boat, but when it 317 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: comes to brutal, like, I really need some specifics of 318 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: what the hell is she doing to this man? Well, 319 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: maybe she met brutal not in that area, but other 320 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: parts of the body. People are into s and M stuff. 321 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: But I digress the real reason this kind of hit me. 322 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: And she we're gonna say, let's tell the people why 323 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: this hit home. Yeah, and she went on to that 324 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: that actually literally hit home. But she said about her 325 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: virginity that she probably lost her virginity later than most 326 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: people would expect. I was probably the last person to 327 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: lose my virginity. When we both read this article, we 328 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: took very different things. I took it is there a 329 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: thing called sharing too much? In these situations? I get 330 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: you go on these podcasts now and it's kind of 331 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: in vogue to really overshare, and a great interviewer like 332 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: a Howard Stern or something like that, we'll get that 333 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: from you. They will get you to go places maybe 334 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: you didn't intend to go because you feel so comfortable. 335 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: But I just don't know if I need to know 336 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: everything all the time. Well, first of all, I don't 337 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: think this probably is everything. I mean, well, look, obviously 338 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: she's sharing a piece of her life. I do think 339 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: you go on call her daddy in knowing that you're 340 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 1: going to get into some of that stuff, just like 341 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: people knew, as you said, they'd have a different vibe 342 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: on Howard Stern. I think so. And I haven't listened 343 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: to the episode, but when I started reading this, it 344 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: took me back. I'm actually doing a Sex in the 345 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: City rewatch right now. I'm rewatching the show and I 346 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: hadn't watched it in full since around the time when 347 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: it was first on. I think I watched it like 348 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: in my late high school early college years, and as 349 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: I'm rewatching it, I'm thinking, man, I was young to 350 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: be watching this show, Like I kind of forgot how 351 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: much they got into on that show. And I do think. 352 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an incredible show. The writing and it 353 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: was revolutionary and the way that it normalized talking about 354 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: I watched several episodes with you and I've been captivated. Oh, 355 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: it's such a good show. It's about relationships at it's core, 356 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: which is really what makes it stand the test of time. 357 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: Female relationship. Yeah, friendships, and so I love everything about 358 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: Sex in the city. But when I look back, I 359 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: do think, like I was watching that show before i'd 360 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: as the phrase goes lost my own virginity when I 361 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: was so sexually curious, I was getting a lot of 362 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: information from it, probably, and I think maybe the problem 363 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: was that I was getting the information of how to 364 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: have sex as like a confident, independent, thirty two year 365 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: old woman, instead of how to have sex as a 366 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: teenager or a young college student who's just beginning. And 367 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: so I was applying the wrong mindset as I, you know, 368 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: embarked on my own journey, and I was thinking that 369 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: about you know, I think that happens to a lot 370 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: of kids. I think whether it's podcasts or TV shows, 371 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, kids at that age are so looking for 372 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: their so curious, And it just kind of drove home 373 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: to me how important it is for parents to be 374 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: able to talk to their kids about sexuality, because I 375 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: was definitely getting a lot of information from the wrong 376 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: places and not from experts or not from this place 377 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: of I don't know, groundedness. And one phrase that really 378 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: stuck out to me, and this is not anything against 379 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: Christina Aguilera, I just hate the phrase losing your virginity 380 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: I've always hated that phrase. Why what strikes a chord 381 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 1: with you? Because what it implies is that, like, to me, 382 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: the word lose is like you've lost it, like you've 383 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: made a mistake. You know, you've you've Like what else 384 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: do we apply the word lose to that's positive in 385 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: any way? Losing something is always bad that you know, 386 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: it's funny. I've never thought of it from that angle, 387 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: and I immediately my mind went to the church, which 388 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: is where this phrase probably came from. The Virgin Mary. 389 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: Virginity in general was a I'm guessing probably if I 390 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to guess a Catholic phrase for something of 391 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: that sort, and so they probably wanted that meaning a 392 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: sign to it. There was guilt if you weren't married. 393 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: There was guilt if you weren't in this certain relationship 394 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: under the guise of God and the Church. I'm sure 395 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: that's where that came from. I think that having sex 396 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: is normal. It's something we're all going to do, right, 397 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: and so what we need to teach is have sex 398 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: for the first time in a way where like you 399 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: feel comfortable, you feel respected, you feel appreciated, you have 400 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: confidence in how that this person is going to value you, 401 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: and especially I think there's a narrative like typically I 402 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: do think it's changing. But young straight women are taught, like, 403 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: you know, be careful who you lose your virginity too, 404 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: and again it's losing it in your first time. And 405 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: then young straight men are like, I gotta like I 406 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: want to have sex as soon as possible. And so 407 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: these two groups are set at this difficult dynamic towards 408 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 1: each other. And so I don't know this is It's 409 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: again nothing about Christina Aguilera. I just want to reframe 410 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 1: the lose your virginity phrase. I need a better phrase. 411 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: Let's if you come up with something. Let's just jump in. 412 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: Let's coin a new phrase. I mean, it could be 413 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: as simple as when you have sex for the first time. 414 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: That's all we have to do. Gaining instead of losing, 415 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: it's gaining your when you gain your sexuality, gain your sexuality. Wow, 416 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: gain is positive. Choose, choose or gain or I love that. Okay, 417 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: there we go real quick on the oversharing thing. Though, Yeah, 418 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: you and I've talked about this a little bit. I 419 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: do think it's interesting. I actually think we agree on 420 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: something that women to typically tend to share a little 421 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: more than men, and whether it's culturally or in paining 422 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: the broad brush. But Lauren and I have had this 423 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: discussion before. I think I feel like I bond with 424 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: my friends through very intimate sharing, and I share more 425 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: than you do. However, there is this interesting thing that happens. 426 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: I do think you and I both have said when 427 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: we find someone who we really love or in a 428 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: really close relationship with, you actually share less about the 429 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: intimate details of that relationship, like the sexuality. Like I 430 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: I was with a bunch of guys yesterday. We were 431 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: at this event, guys I know very well, and while 432 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: things got off color and you know, we told jokes 433 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: and it's not like everybody was being PG, but nobody 434 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: would talk about their fiancee or wife, Like, no one 435 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: would talk about the intimacy of that. No one's going 436 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: to be like dude. Last night, my wife and I 437 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: we were at five rounds, bouncing off the walls. I've 438 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: been her over the bedside. It's like that just I 439 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: nobody wants to hear that. And if a guy ever did, 440 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: I think there would be a record scratch moment where 441 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: everyone in the group is like, dude, Like why are 442 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,920 Speaker 1: you talking about. We just don't share those things interesting, 443 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: typical guys don't. I do share. I think women share 444 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: a little more intimately, but not from this place of like, 445 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I will say, there's definitely less. It's 446 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: more when you're in a serious relationship, there's less sharing. Although, 447 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: how do you think is the most intimate thing you've 448 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: shared about me? The most? Well, it's more so intimate 449 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: sharing about like our communication, our relationship, the way you 450 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: love me, that kind of thing. So that's a different 451 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: type of intimacy, right, I share the emotional details. Um, 452 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to our sex life, I do. I mean, well, 453 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: maybe i'll I do share something. The only thing I 454 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: ever shared my closest bread. The only thing I ever 455 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: shared was how brutal you were that one? No, all right, 456 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: let's finish up with one last story. There was one 457 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: story that hit home to us. Before I get Elsie 458 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: in trouble about talking about my sex life, there was 459 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: a story that just came out about Brookshields. She did 460 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: an interview speaking of Howard Stern. I think one of 461 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: the great interviewers of our of our time. UM, love Howard, 462 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: whether you like his show or not. He's a good interviewer. 463 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: He's a great interviewer. Um. And she came out on 464 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: Howard Stern. She's talking about this relationship she had with 465 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: JFK Jr. And how there was a moment that they 466 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: went on a date. They shared a kiss, as she said, 467 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,719 Speaker 1: the best kiss of her life, and it got to 468 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,919 Speaker 1: the point in the date where there was sex on 469 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: the table. He wanted to and she decided, no, I 470 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: don't want to go there because my heart and soul 471 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: is into this. If I do this, I'm scared to 472 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 1: death of where this might go. And she rebuffed him 473 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: and turned it down, and she was worried if she 474 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 1: gave in, he wouldn't talk to her again. Well, it 475 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: turns out the next day they were on the ski slips, 476 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: I guess, on a ski trip. He kind of ghosted 477 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: her and ignored her. And I know, I just I 478 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: found this interesting on a lot of levels. They were 479 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: very young at the time I looked it up. I 480 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 1: don't know exactly how old they were, but he was 481 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: five years older than her. Yeah, so maybe they're twenty five. 482 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. But and Brookshields of course came you know, 483 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: was a huge sex symbol in my generation. Growing really 484 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: interesting document I think the documentary coming out is called 485 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: about her, is called pretty Baby, which is why she's 486 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: honest pressed to her and she talks about being so 487 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: sexualized at such a young age. I mean such a 488 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: young age. I remember me, I was trying to think 489 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: how old she is right now. She's a fifty seven. 490 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: I think she's fifty seven, So yeah, she's six years 491 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: older than I am. So we grew up about the same. 492 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: She was always a little older, and so I found 493 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: her beautiful and attractive, and again she was being sexualized 494 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: in front of all of us as we were growing up. 495 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: It was I can only imagine at that time. You 496 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: don't have the perspective in the thought to think about that, 497 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: but it had to have been unbelievable pressure for a 498 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: young girl. Well, what I was interested in about this 499 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 1: was that she had I really applauded her awareness of 500 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 1: the situation. Here. She said JFK. Junior gave her the 501 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: best kiss of her life, and then she decided she 502 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: couldn't have sex with him because she knew she'd fall 503 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: for him too hard. She'd always had a crush on him, 504 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: and she was afraid he would just you know, dump 505 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: her after she's been love with them since she was 506 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: like three. I mean it wasn't. Yeah. So what I 507 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: loved about this, and because I think it applies whether 508 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: you're kissing someone, dating someone, especially if you're having sex 509 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: with someone, is that the power dynamic has to be equal, 510 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, like you have to feel and its advice 511 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 1: I guess I would give any speaking of gaining your sexuality. 512 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: If you're going to have sex with somebody, you've got 513 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: to feel like you're on equal footing. I think that's 514 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: one of the biggest components of whether you choose to 515 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: have sex with someone. And she felt here that she 516 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: was way too in love with him, that she was 517 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: way too into him, and she didn't think he was 518 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: as into her. If she had had sex with him, 519 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: you're heading into dangerous ground there to get yourself hurt. 520 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: And I think this applies no matter how old you are, 521 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: like throughout your life. But I do disagree. Tell me no, 522 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: I completely agree. And it was interesting that that's that's 523 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: where you went with this because I took it initially 524 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: in a totally different direction. I was thinking JFK. Junior 525 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: is dead, tragically died, is there a statue, and this 526 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: is in the gray area. I don't think she went 527 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: too far. I don't think Brookshield said anything wrong. I 528 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: just thought he's not around to rebuff this, to contradict this, 529 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: to give his side of the story, like it may 530 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: have been something cute where JFK. Junior came back and said, 531 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: oh my god, I loved you too all those years 532 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: I always wanted and you know what I mean, Like 533 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: you'll never hear his side of the story. He just 534 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: kind of makes him seem like a bit of a scoundrel, 535 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: like maybe he didn't talk to her the next day 536 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: because he was an insecure guy and his feelings got 537 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: hurt and he really loved her, and who knows, like 538 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: you just but we will never know, And so you're 539 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: only going to hear this in her context. And that's 540 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: how this is painted. Is there a time and a 541 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: place where you can no longer? Is this over sharing? 542 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: Is it? You know what I mean? Do we get 543 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: to tell these stories? Oh? I didn't. Well, I think 544 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: it's specific of the content I minded on this one 545 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: because it's essentially they kiss, nothing happened. I think the 546 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: worst thing she said about him was he was quote 547 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: less than chivalrous. If it had been more, you know, 548 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: then you if it had been something where it was 549 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: really going to permanently tarnish his image. But I guess 550 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: this is also like a bit believable to me. Like JFK. 551 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: Junior was incredibly handsome and had the world at his feet, 552 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: and he probably was a little bit of a scoundrel. 553 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure not to tarnish him, but I wouldn't surprise 554 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: me if he's twenty five, twenty six, story seven years old, 555 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't know, that wouldn't be shocking news 556 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: when we think of the people that have the world 557 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: by the tail, you know, young George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio, 558 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: Brad Pitt or Bono, whoever, Guy FIERTI, Okay, we all 559 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: have weird vices and taste. But JFK. Junior, I just 560 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: can't fathom what that life was like, being devastatingly handsome, 561 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: being jfk'son having that power hour and that I mean, 562 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine. I will say, what's fascinating about 563 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: the idea of the two of them dating is like 564 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: I wish it had was it public, if there would 565 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: never be a more power couple in the history of 566 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: the world. I wasn't you tell me? Was it known 567 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: that they had dated or kissed or anything? I don't remember. 568 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I think again, no tabloids, no 569 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: social media. They actually could have had a nice date 570 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: in Aspen or wherever they were and kissed and no 571 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: one would know. This gorgeous movie star and the handsome 572 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: young prince of politics in America, Oh my god, who 573 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: probably would have gone on to be President of the 574 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: United States. Incredible. Well, and that's the story. That's the sharing. 575 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: You love that she shared this story. Speaking of oversharing, 576 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: I think we did a little bit today, but I 577 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed it. The takeaways from our headlines that 578 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: hit home. Number one, it's okay to live close to 579 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: your X. Number two, don't be brutal when performing oral 580 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: sex unless someone's asking you to exactly. Number three, what's 581 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: our takeaway from the Brookshield story. I think that power 582 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: dynamic matters. I think whenever you're entering dating, sexuality, whatever, 583 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: you have to feel that you're both on equal footing 584 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: about why you're there. And the number four takeaway from 585 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: today thanking you appreciate you being here. I appreciate sitting 586 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: here with Lauren on a stormy day here in Austin, 587 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: Texas and just reflecting and going through all the big 588 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: stories of the day. So thank you for your time 589 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: and I will talk to you next time because we 590 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: have a lot more to talk about. Thanks for listening. 591 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at the most Dramatic pod ever 592 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 1: and make sure to write us a review and leave 593 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: us five stars. I'll talk to you next time.