1 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so check this out. In the course of our 2 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: research for today's episode, I discovered one of the longest 3 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: sentences I have read in a cartoonishly long amount of time. 4 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Do we have time for this? We do? We do? 5 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: I just want you to I just want to check 6 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: out how long the sentences. Keep in mind it is 7 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: all one sentence, my Lord. Out of the love I 8 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: bear to some of your friends, I have a care 9 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: for your preservation. Therefore, I would advise you, as you 10 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: tend to your life, to devise some excuse to shift 11 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: your attendance at this parliament. For God and Man have 12 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: concurred to punish the wickedness of this time. And think 13 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: not slightly of this advertisement, but retire yourself into your country, 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: where you may expect the event in safety. For although 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: there may be no appearance of any stir yet I 16 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: say they shall receive a terrible blow this parliament, and 17 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: yet they shall not see who hurts them. This council 18 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: is not to be condemned, because it may do you 19 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: good and can do you no harm. For the danger 20 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: is past as soon as you have burnt the letter, 21 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: and I hope God will give you the grace to 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: make good use of it, to whose holy protection, I 23 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: commend you holy smokes. My name is Ben, my name 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: is Nolan. That is the way my mom sends text messages. 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: There are twelve commas in this paragraph masquerading as a sentence. Okay, 26 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: my mom doesn't even bother using commas, did I say? 27 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm distracted by by the length of that 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: sentence enough, I'm mulling it over. What does it mean? Man? 29 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: What does it mean? This is a letter that was 30 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: sent to the Lord Monteagle to warn him of a 31 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: terrorist plot. A terrorist plot, you say, yes, yes, one 32 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: involving gunpowder. I think you mean the infamous gunpowder plot 33 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: of November of six oh five. Remember remember the fifth 34 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: of November with gunpowdered treason and plot. I see no 35 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot. Yes, yes, 36 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: the very same knoll uh. And that is why you 37 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: and I, along with our super producer Casey Pegram, are 38 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: delving into some British history, something that has encountered a 39 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: resurrection in terms of popularity in the United States ever 40 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: since the two thousand and six release of the film 41 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: V for Vendetta, an adaptation of an earlier graphic novel 42 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: right by Alan Moore um And. It tells the story 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: of an anarchist who plots to overthrow sort of a 44 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: dystope in future government. Um And uses this mask of 45 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: the face of Guy Fox as kind of a symbol 46 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: of rising up against the oppressors. Right And for many 47 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: people who learned the broad strokes of this event in school, 48 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: Guy Fox is often portrayed as the primary character, the 49 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: protagonist or antagonist, depending upon your perspective, it is true, 50 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: but as it turns out, he was really more of, 51 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, not a patsy. He knew what he 52 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: was getting into, but he certainly wasn't the brains behind 53 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: the operation. He was just the poor sap what got caught. Yes, yes, yes, 54 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: And let's set the stage here for what exactly happened. 55 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Let's start with the facts right before we get into 56 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: some of the ridiculous nous. Let's do it. So Henry eight, 57 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: this guy ruled England, he had six wives and at 58 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: the time the country was Catholic. I mean that rotund 59 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: fellow with the chicken leg at the Renaissance Fair, very same. 60 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: I think that might be an actor. I'm pretty sure 61 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: our nemesis. The quister Jonathan Strickland um knows Henry the Eighth, 62 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: or at least the actor that portrays him at the 63 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: Renaissance Fair Peak behind the Curtain. Strickland spends many of 64 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: his hours when he's not podcasting and tormenting us as 65 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: a Renaissance Fair actor. Yes. Yes, and he's been doing 66 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 1: it for quite a while. I bet you're correct. I 67 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: bet he's plugged into the Renaissance Festival scene. Well, if 68 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: he pops up at some point, we'll have to ask 69 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: him about that. Yes, perhaps we can also ask him 70 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: to single snatch of the famous oldie I'm Henry the Eighth. Yes, 71 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: And speaking of Henry the Eighth, I am Henry the Eighth. 72 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: I am Uh what role did he play and kind 73 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: of setting the stage for this treasonous plot? Yes, excellent question. 74 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: You see, at the time that he ruled England, the 75 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: country was Catholic, at least at first, because his wife 76 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: at the time, Catherine of Arragon, could not bear him 77 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: a male heir. And because of this, Henry the Eighth said, well, 78 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: why are we even married? What's the point of this matrimony? 79 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: That's a big deal. I mean, if you're trying to 80 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: preserve your legacy as the patriarch of an entire nation. 81 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: You need yourself A boy, a prince, a princess just 82 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: won't do the trick. These were very misogynistic times, and 83 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: if he felt this marriage was fruitless and not bearing 84 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: him the desired um offspring, then he was gonna have 85 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: to do something about it. But unfortunately, under the laws 86 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: of Catholicism and the pope, uh, divorce just was not 87 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: a thing. You couldn't You couldn't do it. Even the 88 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: king couldn't do it, even the king and so so 89 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: Henry said, you know what, I'm done with the church, 90 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: and he finally got the divorce he wanted. But this 91 00:05:54,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: created intense inter religious confusion because his three children retained 92 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: Catholic religious beliefs, but they became politically opposed to the 93 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: Church's doctrine, and this led to persecution of Catholics in 94 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: England absolutely, and a lot of historians conjecture that Henry himself, 95 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: behind closed doors, pretty much remained Catholic. He was a 96 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: Protestant in name only, a pineo a pine Oh. Yes, 97 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: So Henry died as people tend to do. I think 98 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: of gout of of rich living right, he had a 99 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 1: very fatty liver, and his son Edward took the throne. 100 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: Edward was followed by Mary, and Mary led a Catholic reign. 101 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: But when Elizabeth took the throne in fifteen fifty eight, 102 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: England switched from a Catholic to a Protestant nation. Isn't 103 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: it interesting how he finally got that air and Edward 104 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: and I think he was kind of a weedy, little 105 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: sickly fellow hemophilia and and just did not fit the bill. 106 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: And then of course we have a legacy, despite Henry's 107 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: best efforts and throwing his country into religious turmoil, a 108 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: succession of very powerful, badass women. Yes, yes, oh what 109 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: Webb's history weaves. You never quite know the ending of 110 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: a tale, right, And Catholics had discriminatory policies placed against them. 111 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: They couldn't hold mass, for instance, that's right, many Catholic 112 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: priests were imprisoned and even put to death, and um 113 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: Catholics who refused to attend Protestant services would be fined, 114 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: and those fines increased um exponentially over the years as 115 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: the throne switch hands. Absolutely, and this is why Catholics 116 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 1: who lived in England under this discriminatory system, had high 117 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: hopes when James of Scotland became the king, because you know, 118 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: his mother Mary was Catholic, wouldn't he be a little 119 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: less uncool at least? And initially he actually waived those fines, 120 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: which really got people's hopes up on Catholics, specifically thinking, okay, 121 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: we've got a friend in James, you know, but he 122 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: pulled the bait and switch of the century and ended 123 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: up being even harsher to Catholics than his predecessor had been. 124 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: And that's when people had just had enough and some 125 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: of these Catholics, various groups got together and hatched several 126 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: well known plots to assassinate James in the hopes of 127 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: switching the tide of history and the religious leanings of 128 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: the country. Right, Yeah, And we think of this period 129 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: of time usually in terms of the Gunpowder plot, but Noel, 130 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: you raise an excellent point. It was one of several plots. 131 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: There was the by plot spelled like bye bye uh 132 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: in sixteen o three, and their aim was to kidnap James. 133 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: And then there was the main plot of which the 134 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: by plot was a part, which involved replacing James with 135 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: his cousin Arabella Stewart or are Bella Stewart. And the 136 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: thing that's interesting about these is like you have to 137 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: wonder what were they thinking because it was largely a 138 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: Protestant country at this point. I think way more people 139 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: were practicing Protestantism than Catholicism. So if they did succeed 140 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: short of recruiting you know, some other country, it will 141 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: get into this with the gunpowder plot, there were attempts 142 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: to attract Spain to aid in the Catholic cause um 143 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 1: in England, But what do they expect to happen that 144 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like all of these Protestants that 145 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: were the majority, we're just gonna like decide to be 146 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: on board and not see them as uttered zealots and 147 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: uh and terrorists. Right, yeah, because what we have seen 148 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: typically is that across the span of history, extremism does 149 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: not make for a welcoming argument, especially to your opponents. Right, So, 150 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: if if these plots had succeeded, right, and the ruling 151 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: powers of the day became Catholic, it's pretty unlikely that 152 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: all of the Protestant population would just shrug and say 153 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: good game, that that that probably wasn't going to happen. 154 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: But that was not a consideration in the minds of 155 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: these conspirators, and these were actual conspiracies, and all of 156 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: this because of the whims of a fat man. Well, 157 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, no king is perfect. The plot, the gun 158 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: yess the plot does think in the Gunpowder plot especially. 159 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: There's a great article on how Stuff Works by our 160 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: friend Candice Gibson that looks at the German nation, the 161 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: Gunpowder Plot, and one way that she describes it, which 162 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: I love, is she says, if you can imagine the 163 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,479 Speaker 1: cast of the Ocean's Eleven trilogy and breaches and broad callers, 164 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: you've got an inkling of the crew assembled to take 165 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: down James and leaders of Parliament in the Gunpowder Plot. 166 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: And that crew was led sort of The brad Pitt 167 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: character in this story was a man by the name 168 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: of Robert Catsby, and he was a nobleman who had 169 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: participated in a previous rebellion known as essex Is Rebellion, 170 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: which was another unsuccessful rebellion where the second Earl of 171 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: Essex led a charge to um depose Elizabeth the First 172 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: of England, or at least kind of splinter her inner 173 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: circle and influence policy and that didn't work. So this 174 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: guy is already coming into this with an axe to 175 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: grind and that rebellious kind of attitude of not accepting 176 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: the status quo. And you know, come hell or high water, 177 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna get his way. Yeah, he is, 178 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: in the parlance of our time, a veteran terrorists. The 179 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: plan was killed. The king killed James, and then when 180 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: his daughter ascends to the throne, marry her off to 181 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: a Catholic, thereby redefining England's religious identity. You can already 182 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: see here that this this master plan is assuming that 183 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: the daughter will be a puppet royal right and has 184 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: no agency of her own. And I like your comparison 185 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: of Catsby as the Brad Pitt. Uh, here's the crew 186 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: he recruited. He got a guy named John Right, a 187 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: fellow named Thomas Winter, another Thomas, this one Thomas Percy, 188 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: and of course Guy Fox. And I think a lot 189 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: of people perhaps erroneously assumed that Guy Fox was playing 190 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: the role that was actually played by Robert Catsby. Guy 191 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: Fox came in the mix. He was not the Brad Pitt. No, 192 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: he was really kind of a heavy. He had a 193 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: lot of experience in imbat fighting Protestant rebels in the 194 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 1: Spanish Netherlands, and he had kind of gotten at least 195 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: maybe not buddy buddy, but close enough to the King 196 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: of Spain that he actually asked him for help in 197 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: starting an English uprising against James, who was just the 198 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: enemy of Catholics far and wide. And he even changed 199 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: his name or started referring to himself as Guido instead 200 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: of Guy in sixteen o five because it gave him 201 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: more of a connection to the papacy in Rome and 202 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: sort of more of a cosmopolitan identity that was tied 203 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: more to Catholicism than to being an Englishman. And we 204 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: can anticipate the question here did he refer to himself 205 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: in third person? We can only hope that he was 206 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: one of those people. But what we do know for 207 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: sure is that due to his military experience, he was 208 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: acquainted with using and more importantly, gaining access to gunpowder. 209 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: They spent more than a year, more than seventeen months 210 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: or so organizing this plot, and ultimately they got thirty 211 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: six barrels of gunpowder, and they rented a building close 212 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: to Parliament with the aim of tunneling underground two place 213 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: the barrels of gunpowder in the sellers of the Parliament building. 214 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: So just to just to clarify for me, then I 215 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: kind of got a little little turned around here when 216 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: I was reading this. Their their goal was to tunnel 217 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: into Parliament from this rented basement because it was directly 218 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: under the House of Lords. But the idea was that 219 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: they would dig tunnels from that basement into the House 220 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: of Lords. But I think their plan was foiled by 221 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: the flooding of the Thames, which predictably totally jack things 222 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: up right, yeah, and thwarted their efforts. So they said, 223 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: not to be discouraged. Let's go to our backup plan. 224 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Plan be for backup. And while they were working on 225 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: this plan, Thomas Winter's boss, a fellow named Lord Monteagle 226 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: I who we mentioned earlier in the episode, he tipped off, 227 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: according to the story, a fellow named Robert Cecil, who 228 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: was the Earl of Salisbury at the time. Salisbury, Yes, 229 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: like the state, like the steak. I love how both 230 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: of us immediately went to that association. Well that's how 231 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: you know. That was the good lunch day in school 232 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: for me was Salisbury State Day. You were rectangle pizza guy. 233 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: I did like rectangle pizza too. I felt like rectangle 234 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: pizza was solid. A slight interjection here, Ben, This guy 235 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: Cecil was also a hugely important figure in Elizabeth the 236 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: First Court and one of the targets of that revolt 237 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier Essex's Revolt that our boy Catsby helped orchestrate. 238 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: So they had beef previous to this, and they knew 239 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: of each other. And that's going to come into play 240 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: in a really cool, interesting way. And now we enter 241 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: into the realm of full on conspiracy. We can go 242 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: a couple of different directions with this. Let's go all 243 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: of the directions. Let's go all of the directions at once, 244 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: like a like a Wonkavader, right exactly, So, someone in 245 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: the know, someone with advanced knowledge of the gunpowder plot, 246 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: sent the letter with that cartoonishly long sentence we read 247 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: at the top of the show to Lord Monteagle, advising him, 248 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: as you could hear, to avoid the ceremony in the 249 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: House of the Lords that day. And that's because he 250 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: was a Catholic. And then and it was somebody involved 251 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: in the plot that wanted to protect him from being 252 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: blown to hell. And and there are historical perspective that say, 253 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: several of the conspirators sent letters to various other Catholics 254 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: that would have been present potentially um to warn them 255 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: not to go right. And there's an excellent article on 256 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: bb see there there's actually a lot of research into 257 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: this idea, but there's an excellent article in BBC by 258 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: Adam Donald called was Guy Fox a late fortnal fall? Guy? Huh? Alright, 259 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: well I liked it. I don't think I get it 260 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: Guy Fox of fall? Guy, I got it. I got 261 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: it more like a fall Guido. There we go, Yes, 262 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: there we go. So the official course of events is 263 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: that Monteagle sends the letter to Cecil the Earl of Salisbury, 264 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: and Salisbury is the one who makes the call to 265 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: search the Palace of Westminster, wherein Guy Fox is discovered 266 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 1: alone in the cellars, surrounded by barrels of gunpowder, talked 267 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: about being caught red handed, and not only that, he 268 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: had a slow, slow burning fuse on him. You know, 269 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: picture any traditional fuse that you would attach to dynamite 270 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: that you can light and so it burns slow enough 271 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: for you to get the hell out of there. Yeah, 272 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: one of those on him. He also had a clock 273 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 1: on him a pocket watch that Catsbury had given him 274 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: so that they could synchronize the top timeline of it all, 275 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: so that he could set the fuse ablaze at just 276 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: the right moment, right, because just like the joker in 277 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: the Christopher Nolan Batman thing, it's about sending a message, right. 278 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: And so Fox is caught, he is tortured, and he 279 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: stands up pretty well under this horrific torture, and torture 280 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: was actually illegal in uh the United Kingdom at the time, 281 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: but James made a special concession as to me, you 282 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: know that sort of calls into question the idea of 283 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: legality if you can just like make an exception for 284 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: this one. You know, this one guy that really really 285 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: has it coming. So he signs a confession ultimately um 286 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: after giving up his co conspirators. And you can find 287 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: this confession online and it's like you can tell that 288 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: whoever signed it did not have full use of their hand, 289 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: so he probably neither had fingers removed or smashed with 290 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, who knows what horrible things they would have done. Yeah, 291 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: and may indeed have been so traumatized that he didn't 292 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: understand and the full text of what he was signing, 293 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: but he did sign in Guido, but he did sign 294 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: at Guido. Uh. The other conspirators fled or perished in 295 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: a skirmish with the crown. Uh. Those that were remaining, 296 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: and most famously Guy or Guido Fox were sentenced to 297 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: be hanged, drawn and quartered. But here is where the 298 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: historical narrative begins to come into some conflict points, because 299 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: you see friends and neighbors that there's storians will tell 300 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: you that the official narrative was a little more sanitized 301 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: than the actual events. And there are some that will 302 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: go so far as to say that Cecil was planning 303 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: a false flag attack. Yeah, that he actually blackmailed Catsby 304 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: to set this whole operation in motion, all the while 305 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: monitoring everything sing he even you know, uh supposedly, according 306 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: to some versions of the story, set kind of a 307 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: honey trap in the space that they were able to 308 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: lease that just happened to be right underneath the House 309 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: of Lords. That he was responsible for that, and that 310 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 1: it was all in the name of this like false 311 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: flag campaign to further demonize Catholics and make them out 312 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: to be these utter uh looney tune zealot extremists. Yeah, exactly. 313 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: The idea being that he was his day and ages 314 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: version of a marketing genius, because it would have more impact. 315 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: The argument goes on the Protestant public and on the 316 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: government if the Catholic extremists were not, you know, just 317 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: caught talking in a tavern about doing this, but if 318 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: they were caught red handed at virtually the moment before 319 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: disasters struck. So the idea here is that we the 320 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: espionage apparatus that Cecil is constructed, the idea being that 321 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: we would wait and let things play out and let 322 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: the conspirators believe that they're working in secrecy, allowing them 323 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: to plot until the last minute, so that the people 324 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: of England would understand just how very very very very 325 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: close they came to losing the king. Except that probably 326 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: isn't true either. Cecil's biographer, a woman named Pauline Croft, 327 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: had this to say about the likelihood of that particular 328 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: version of events. In the inflamed atmosphere after November six 329 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: o five, with wild accusations and counter accusations being traded 330 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: by religious polemicists, there were allegations that Cecil himself had 331 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: devised the gunpowder plot to elevate his own importance in 332 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: the eyes of the king and to facilitate a further 333 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: attack on the Jesuits. Numerous subsequent efforts to substantiate these 334 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories have all failed abysmally. But there is no 335 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: doubt that Cecil again, he'd been in this since Elizabeth 336 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: the first. He had been a very close member of 337 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: her court and continued to wield significant power. I mean, 338 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: he's the one who, after all, called for the Parliament 339 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: to be searched. You know, whether that was just a 340 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: clever subterfuge or but you know, he definitely wielded control. 341 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: He had goons that he could deploy, right. Um, but 342 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: what ended up happening with guy Fox He was sentenced 343 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: to being drawn and quartered. But yeah, which means having 344 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: your guts pulled out in front of you after being 345 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: hanged almost to death. They take you down, they pull 346 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: out your guts and they cut off your testicles. It's 347 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: pretty grizzly stuff. And they dragged you. They don't walk 348 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: you to the gallows. They drag you to the gallows 349 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: via horse. And then they split your carcass into four 350 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: pieces and send them to the four corners of the 351 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: Kingdom as a as a warning to all those who would, dare, 352 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, defy the order of the crown. And guy 353 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: Fox knew this was a possibility. He knew and so 354 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: he went out on his own. Term is what do 355 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: you do know? He took a dive, man, He took 356 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: a swan dive from the gallows and broke his own neck. 357 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: He broke his own neck. Rather than uh submitting to 358 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: the lengthy degradations of being drawn and quartered, he went 359 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: for a quicker death, arguably a cleaner one, I would say. 360 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: And I like the point about Cecil's biographer, because even 361 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: today you will see historians disagreeing about this or arguing 362 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: different perspectives. For instance, in the book The Gunpowder Plot, 363 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: Terror and Faith in sixteen o five, author Antonio Frazier 364 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: argues that there's not just evidence that the whole thing 365 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: was some kind of deeper conspiracy than the history books say, 366 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: But she also argues that the letter itself, the famous 367 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: warning letter, was fake, and that both Monteagle and Cecil 368 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: knew it was fake. She also says that mont Eagle 369 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: may have even written the letter him self. In her opinion, 370 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: this is a quote. Nothing else makes sense of Salisbury's 371 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: extraordinary urbanity. One might even call it complacency. In the 372 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: days following, there was certainly no sense of the impending 373 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: danger in his conduct, such as might have been expected 374 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: if the letter had presented him with a genuine mystery. 375 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: So this, this is strange. But as a counterpoint to this, again, 376 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: this was not the Earl's first rodeo, absolutely not. And 377 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: just a quick aside, Lord Monteagle was the friend and 378 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: brother in law of conspirator Francis Tresham, and he was 379 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: worried that, you know, his pal and uh, you know 380 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: brother in law would be blown up in this this attempt, 381 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: and so he supposedly sent him that letter. But I 382 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: see what you're saying then, I mean there's a lot 383 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: of a lot of loose ends in this story to 384 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: this day. And you know, the strange thing is when 385 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: the rubber hits the road. The bottom line, whatever the 386 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: a of the gunpowder plot, as it would be perceived 387 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: by the public, it did end up making things worse 388 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: for Catholics in England. Absolutely. I mean Guy Fox became 389 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: this symbol of um treason and they declared a national holiday, 390 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: I guess Guy Fox Day or or Guy Fox Night 391 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: or Bonfire Night where children would sell these little effigies 392 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: of guy Fox that'd say a penny, what is it? 393 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: A penny for the guy, penny for the guy. That's it. 394 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: They'd have these little wheelbarrows and go around and then 395 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: people would set them on fire. So this guy bore 396 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: the brunts historically for this whole thing. It turns out 397 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: he was a bit more of a side guy. Um 398 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: just happened to be the one caught with with with 399 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: his pants down his match out. There are other lines 400 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: of thought you will hear from people arguing both for 401 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: this conspiracy and for this conspiracy theory rather and against it. 402 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: Or One of the common arguments for the involvement of 403 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: the crown was that only the state possessed gunpowder, but 404 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: according to scholars, that is a myth and nonsense, with 405 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 1: the argument the rebuttal being that almost every gentleman in 406 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: the early seventeenth century in that part of the world 407 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: would have had a stock of gunpowder. We probably should 408 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: have talked about this upfront, and we mentioned guys backstory, 409 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: but he actually was a Protestant by birth and didn't 410 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: convert to Catholicism until he was a team And I 411 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: think it's so interesting how you know, you think of 412 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: Catholicism as like sort of the first form of Christianity 413 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but how it over time 414 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 1: because of the decisions and the sort of whims of 415 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 1: you know, Henry the Eighth, it created this huge divide 416 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: and had you know, people at each other's throats simply 417 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: because of the religion that they practiced. And obviously his 418 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: tale as old as time and right we think of Catholicism, 419 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: uh in Europe at the time, if not in England, 420 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: it's functioning as a state power, you know, it an 421 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: arguable authority in many parts of the region. Fox was 422 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: not just anti Protestantism, uh. There there's also a component 423 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: of anti Scottish sentiment, because, as it turned out, he 424 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: was fiercely anti Scottish. He believed that there was a 425 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: natural hostility between the English and the Scots that would 426 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: make it impossible to reconcile the two nations for any 427 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: sustainable length of time. That comes from the Gunpowder plot 428 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 1: in History Today by an author named Pauline croft Man. 429 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: It turns out that Fox was kind of a tough 430 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: bastard too. I mean he went two days I think, 431 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: being the only person in custody tied to this plot 432 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: and you know, went through the tortures of the damned 433 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: to quote clockwork orange, and he said the reason he 434 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: participated in this plan and the whole purpose was to 435 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: quote blow you Scotch beggars back to your native mountains. 436 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: So it's definitely some anti Scottish sentim it there. But 437 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: King James the First reportedly kind of like the cut 438 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: of his jib in a way because he, you know, 439 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: he said he had a quote Roman resolution. And so 440 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: despite you know, sendencing him to the most horrible hellish 441 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: and you could possibly imagine, are you respected the guy 442 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: a little bit? Yeah, grudgingly, and that that Roman resolution 443 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: was was quite possibly a Catholic name dropper reference. So 444 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: now we are in a situation where you can still 445 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: hear historians, biographers and other scholars argue about the nature 446 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: of essentially a deep state, right or the existence rather 447 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: of a deep state in England at the time. Regardless 448 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: of where you fall in this conversation, one thing is 449 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: for sure for actual facts. Sure, a phrase we stole 450 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: from our fellow podcaster were in vocal bamb and that 451 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: fact is this guy Fox was not the leader. Guy 452 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Fox was the fellow who got caught with the gunpowder. 453 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: He was the man who endured torture for two days 454 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: without rolling over on his co conspirators. But he was 455 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: not the mastermind h that he is so often portrayed 456 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 1: as being in modern recounts of the story. Yeah, but 457 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: he does have a place in history as this symbol 458 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: of revolution. And that is the role that that mask 459 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: in v for vendetta plays. That is the role that 460 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: mask plays in the occupy movement and UH anonymous and 461 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: any use of that image is very much tied to 462 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: some form of fighting back against something perceived as being 463 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: fascist or a regime that does not value individual liberties 464 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: and that is trying to crush you under their you know, 465 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: giant thumb or boot right. This uh symbolic legacy or 466 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: dynasty continues on today, and this might be interesting to 467 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: you as well, Guy Fox. The name guy enters the 468 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: English lexicon as the noun guy, like I saw a 469 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: guy or this guy, or you know you're in uh, 470 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 1: you're in a seven eleven somewhere and you say, ah 471 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: my guy, let me get a slushy. I think that's 472 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: cool because I love calling people guy. That's a guy 473 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: And after all this went down and Guy Fox Day 474 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: or Guy Fox Night er Bonfire Night became a thing 475 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: in England. It was sort of a celebration of the 476 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: physical demise of this human and the foiling of that 477 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: gunpowder plot and like you said, further anti Catholic sentiment. 478 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: But today it's still a thing, but it's almost more 479 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: like kind of a mini Halloween where the kids go 480 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: around doing the penny for a guy and it's almost 481 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: like a form of trick or eating, and instead of 482 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: burning effigies of Guy Fox, they'll burn effigies of like 483 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: celebrities or politicians. So it's almost taken a spin where 484 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: it was originally kind of the celebration of the state, 485 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: now he's sort of become this icon of standing up 486 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: to the state. Absolutely, there's been some transformation over the 487 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: centuries since, and there's some sympathy nowadays for Guy Fox 488 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: in Britain. Uh there's a fantastic quote we found from 489 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: uh Lady Antonia. She's repeating this joke about the British 490 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: attitude towards Guy Fox. Guy Fox, they say, is the 491 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: only man who got into Parliament with the right intentions, 492 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: which I think is pretty harsh. I get it. I 493 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: like it. It's chuckle worthy. That's good. So this is 494 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: our look at the strange transformation of the gunpowder plot 495 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: and it's associated uh symbolic meaning across history, as well 496 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: as our examination of the controversy that rages like a 497 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: conflagration or a bonfire even today. We hope you enjoyed 498 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: this epo. Man, we got so close. Well, at least 499 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: we have a chance to reduce themselves. It's time, gentlemen. 500 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland the quister. That's right, that's right. You've broken 501 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: You've broken my spirit. I you know, I feel good 502 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: about that because the last time you kind of broke me, 503 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: and I think only it's turned about fair play. I 504 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: think that's true. And you know what, I hope, I 505 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: hope we can turn about this whole thing where we 506 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: can finally get back on top of your brutal games. Yes. Well, 507 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: of course, for those who do not know, let us 508 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: explain why I'm here. Yes, as the only emotionally unbroken 509 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: person on the show right now, it falls to me 510 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: to explain. Tough as nails man, we are. This is 511 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: the part your evil therapy flu I don't think we 512 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: forgot Oh, come on, This is as we're saying the part. 513 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: This is as we were saying the part where uh 514 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: you the quister come to Noll and I and present 515 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: to us a scenario which we must deem either true 516 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: or false, all the while employing your supervillain powers of 517 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: low grade irritation. Yes, yes, it's it's it's not exactly 518 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: world shuttering, but it certainly can ruin your day, and 519 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: we have we will, upon hearing this scenario, have three 520 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: minutes on this gigantic Grandfather clock, which moved from one 521 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: studio into the studio a lot less cramped now and 522 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: uh you also go into Neal's earlier point about low 523 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: grade powers of annoyance. Uh impose an arbitrary rule on 524 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: both of us for the duration of the quiz. This 525 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: is true. Alright, I think we've I think we've all 526 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: caught up now, if I'm not mistaken, you were previously 527 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: talking about an attempted regicide with a Mr. Guy Fox. Correct, correct, Well, 528 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: today's scenario will take on a different attempted regicide. In fact, 529 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: it was one that happened on May hundred, and we'll 530 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: have the clock start after I I give you the 531 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: full scenario. It's a long one again. That's that's what 532 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 1: I do, all right. A would be assassin named James 533 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: Hadfield on May eight hundred took aim and fired a 534 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: pistol at King George the Third as he attended a 535 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: theatrical presentation of She Would and She Would Not. This 536 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: happened before the play was to begin, and the orchestra 537 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: was fittingly playing God Save the King. Had Fields shot 538 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: entirely missed. He was seized, He was charged with treason. 539 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: He pled not guilty by reason of insanity. His lawyer 540 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: was so good that the judge stopped the trial because 541 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: he was worried he'd out to actually a quit had Field, 542 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: and the English government hastily wrote new laws regarding how 543 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: the criminally insane were to be handled. Oh and by 544 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 1: the way, this was actually the second failed assassination attempt 545 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: on King George the third on that very day, someone 546 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: at earlier taking a shot at him as he was 547 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: reviewing soldiers in Hyde Park. Now, before you begin the clock, 548 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: if you wish to ask a question me, you must 549 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: first stop by saying, quister, God saved the King. Begin 550 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: Now I know God saved the Queen. Is there also 551 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: a God saved the King? Are they interchangeable, Quister, God 552 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: save the King? Yes? What's your question? Are they God 553 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: saved the Queen and God saved the King in or 554 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: are they two different pieces of music? No, it's the 555 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: same music. And that's what I said. They're not interchangeable. 556 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: It's depended upon whether it's a king or queen on 557 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: the throne, But they are the same piece of music, Quister, 558 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: God saved the King? Could you give us a much 559 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: briefer summary of the scenario? We do this every time hundred. 560 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: King George the Third, recently surviving a failed assassination attempt, 561 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 1: as in within hours in Hyde Park, goes to attend 562 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: to play, where a person named James Hadfield fires a 563 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: shot from a pistol. It misses. The King. Hadfield is seized. 564 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: He has put on trial for treason, and because his 565 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: lawyer is so darn good, he almost is acquitted for 566 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: reasons of insanity, except the judge stops the trial early 567 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: so that they can figure out how the heck can 568 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: we not allow someone who just tried to kill the 569 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: king go? I flying blind, flying blind, and my psyche 570 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: is so broken from these repeated know humiliations that I 571 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: just don't know which way is up anymore? I'm starting 572 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,439 Speaker 1: to like The only thing I can do is think, 573 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: would he really give us another false one after the 574 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: Hedgehog one? You know that, but he studied methodology of 575 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: tests giving he means nothing if not clever. You wonder 576 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: if the iokane powder is in my cup or your cup? 577 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: Or did I put them in both cups? All right? 578 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz uh? So, so I would say that some 579 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: of the circumstances, the fact that uh or the perceived 580 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: fact that two assassinations occurred on the same day, is 581 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: meant to be If it is false, it is meant 582 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 1: to be a thing that sounds so unreasonable it must 583 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: be true, right right, But if it is indeed a 584 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: true thing, then it's easy to call it false. One 585 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: thing that's getting me nual is the idea of a quitting, 586 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: tempted regicide. I don't think that would happen. I mean, 587 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: you know they drew and quartered our boy guy Fox 588 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: quiz I'm sorry, God save the King? What year did 589 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,399 Speaker 1: this happen? Again? I think this is false. I am 590 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: tempted to go with false to let's let's let's agree 591 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: to soldier on though. If we get this wrong, we're 592 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: down to twenty second. You want to lock it in. 593 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: I think we gotta lock it in a false All right, 594 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: we're locking it in false pour, Poor fools, I went 595 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: against We're cutting this segment. This is absolutely true. I 596 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: could tell by the way you were smirking. So how 597 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: is so good? So? How insane did Hadfield have to be? 598 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: This is an excellent question. Would you like to have 599 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: some more details about this? Because it really is fascinating. 600 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: It is fascinating. So in a few years prior to this, 601 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,320 Speaker 1: in in the seventeen nineties, Hadfield served in the British 602 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: Army and he went to war against France. Not not 603 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: just Hadfield a lot of guys with him, but while 604 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: he was in a battle, he was struck in the 605 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: head repeatedly by a saber at least eight times. People 606 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: suggest that this is perhaps what caused him to go 607 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,240 Speaker 1: a little as the experts say, cuckoo for Coco puffs. 608 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: I know you were going to say, how did I 609 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: know you was going to say that? He returned to 610 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: England and met another fellow named, and this is a 611 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: real name, banister Truelock, who was also absolutely bonkers and 612 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: believed that the second Coming of Christ would come through 613 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: Banister Truelock through his mouth. Actually, he would spring forth 614 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: from his mouth like a Greek god. So the lawyer 615 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: was able to blame his insanity on his service in 616 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 1: the first place, and less so it gets even more complicated. 617 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: Truelock convinced Hadfield that killing King George the Third would 618 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: bring about peace on earth and the second coming of Christ. 619 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,480 Speaker 1: Had he agrees to do this, he received as his 620 00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: barrister a fellow named Thomas Erskine, who was the most 621 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: famous and decorated lawyer in all of England at that time, 622 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: the Darrow of his day exactly, and he was able 623 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: to argue very persuasively that Hadfield was in fact insane, 624 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: and that the definitions that the British court had been 625 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: using to define insanity up to that point were not adequate, 626 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: and the judge, fearing that this argument was so sound, 627 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: stop the trial. Early Parliament passed the Criminal Lunatics Act 628 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: in response, because what had happened was was that they 629 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 1: realized if they released him, he would be released into 630 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: the general popular into his family. His family would take 631 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: care of him, which means that he could go and 632 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: do whatever else. And so instead the Criminal Lunatics Act 633 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,319 Speaker 1: of eighteen hundred said that the government could hold the 634 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: criminally insane indefinitely, they could commit them indefinitely to an institution. 635 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: He went to Bedlam. He did escape, briefly, made it 636 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: all the way to over in an attempt to escape 637 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: back to France, where he was caught and returned to Bedlam. 638 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 1: He died in eighteen forty one of tuberculosis. And in fact, 639 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: King George the Third had survived a previous failed assassination 640 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: attempt where someone shot at him they hit a person 641 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: standing next to him. He decided to go ahead and 642 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: go to the theater anyway, and even better, demanded that 643 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: the play continue after the failed assassination attempts. See what 644 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: screwed me up? Was like the most famous assassination attempt 645 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: in the theater, to my mind, is Lincoln. So I 646 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: thought you were capitalizing on that that maybe we would think. 647 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know, Quister, God saved the king. 648 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: It's over, man. You don't have to say anything. I'm 649 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm digging it. Actually, that's the first one I've been 650 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: actually digging. Um two questions. First, have the laws not 651 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: changed since then? Uh? And if so, my second question, 652 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,240 Speaker 1: how have you evaded capture for so long? Excellent question, 653 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: both cow the laws have somewhat changed since we would hope. Secondly, 654 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm not a citizen of the UK, nor do I 655 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,360 Speaker 1: reside there so they can chase me all they like. 656 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: Was it a saber that led to your madness? Or 657 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: was it maybe a hammer? Was it a Phineas Gage situation? 658 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: A lightsaber? It was? It was not a Disney thing. 659 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: And there's a small child with a red kylo Ren saber. 660 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: It was vicious al right, Well you know what. I 661 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: see him in my nightmares. Well played, Quister once again? 662 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: Well played once again. Noel and Casey and I are 663 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: off to contact Interpool about you, just to see what's 664 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: what is that like a like a organization that allows 665 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: you to go from one pool to another pool? Interpool, 666 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 1: you know what? Keep it up and here's hoping you 667 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: find out well partly in my place. Well, friends and neighbors, 668 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: thank you so much for tuning into today's episode. We 669 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy he did, and I gotta say, no, uh, 670 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: I actually really enjoyed learning about that. Uh that that 671 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: Quister segment at the end, it sort of took the 672 00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 1: staying out of the humiliating defeat, so thank you for that, 673 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: Florida too. All right, yeah, we know the score, buddy. Well, hey, listen, 674 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 1: you guys can write us your fan and or hate 675 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,439 Speaker 1: mail regarding the Quister segment to Ridiculous at how stuff 676 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: works dot com. You can also send us a note 677 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: on Facebook or we are Ridiculous History, or on Instagram 678 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History and Twitter. Um, and please join us next 679 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: time where we're going to talk about a subject that 680 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 1: I'm hoping to employ with our pal, the Quister here, 681 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: which is arsenic, the dream poison of assassins, the inheritance powder, yes, 682 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: my my favorite nickname for it so far. And of course, 683 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,920 Speaker 1: where would we be without our super producer, Casey Pegram, 684 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: who True Story Folks has to this day not being 685 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: convicted of regicide. We'd also like to thank Candice Gibson 686 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: who wrote the excellent article of Alliable on how stuff 687 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: Works dot com regarding Guy Fox and the gunpowder plot. 688 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,479 Speaker 1: And most importantly, we'd like to thank you for hanging 689 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: out with us and we hope you'll join us next 690 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: time where we can talk about poisoning our loved ones. 691 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: See you then