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Speaker 1: Well, we just had some breaking news. I was out

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Speaker 1: And clearly Jerry's at the point where there's no pride swallowing.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't gonna happen. And listen, Mo Ghetto wasn't call

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Speaker 1: And it had gotten really weird. And now he's on

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Speaker 2: What does he want?

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Speaker 1: Two first round picks Kenny Clark and one hundred and

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Speaker 1: Historic deal, What a moment the NFL man, did we

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Speaker 1: You know, the PA the the Cowboys play the Eagles

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Speaker 2: Really, really ugly.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes when you have the negativity of a move

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Speaker 1: You know, this isn't a Joe Shane moment on the

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Speaker 2: But man, I just I think this thing could get ugly,

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Speaker 2: and it can get ugly really fast. The volume