1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: I never told you, protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome to 3 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: the finale our Last of US season two mini series 4 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: reaction podcast. Again not a sponsor. I think it's ridiculous, 5 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: but all right, I guess they've got their old podcast. 6 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: But what. 7 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: So, Yeah, this is our finale until season three. Remember 8 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: that shall be. But that being said, spoilers for all 9 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: of season two now season one first game. I am 10 00:00:57,560 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: going to hint at some things that happen in the 11 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: game that I'm just going to give you some kind 12 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: of like leading questions at the end, but nothing too spoilery. 13 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: But if you want to avoid all of that, then 14 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: when I get to the end and be like goodbye. 15 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: But yes, basically, this is my favorite game of all time. 16 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: So when they made the show, we were like, we've 17 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: got to do it. I was like, we got to 18 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: do it. Samantha had been pretty supportive of me doing 19 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: it the first season, so we're back. 20 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: He was very for both because I knew it was 21 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: going to be good. 22 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, so much stress, but this is the last one 23 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: and then we'll get back to fiction pieces that we've 24 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: been not doing this month. And sex and the city 25 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: that we haven't been doing just because of the workload 26 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: and to balance things out so Christina doesn't kill us. 27 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't kill Christina with too much work exactly. 28 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, we try to. We try to not do that 29 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: around here. But yes, the way these work is. Samantha 30 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: gives the recap on the most recent episode, and then 31 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: I break down all of my thoughts, and I gotta say, 32 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: I got a lot of thoughts about this one. 33 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: So, oh, I'm sure we do. I see how many 34 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 2: pages you got here? Oh yep, what all right? So 35 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: are you ready to jump in for my wonderful recap? Yeah? 36 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: Tell me usually correct? All right. So if you remember, 37 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: we have left Dina who had just gotten shot by 38 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 2: a serified arrow, and we come back to her and 39 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: Jessee in the theater. They made it back, and they're 40 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: having a whole back and forth about how to get 41 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: the arrow out, and even at one point like putting 42 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: alcohol on everything. He's being a real pro trying to 43 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: give her alcohol. She's like, no, I can't, and talk 44 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: about how. 45 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: She can't die there. 46 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: They can't die there, cut saying to real horrible pain, 47 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: painful scene, and then she's asleep, and we see Ellie 48 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: has made it back to the theater trying to get in, 49 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: and they're like, you know, what's the name of your horse? 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: Shimmer turns out Shimmer Swine, that's the lasting Shimmer has 51 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: made it through the season people. As this happens, we 52 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 2: also find out that Abby is missing from the Wolf 53 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: headquarters and Elisa's back, who had lost her son previously, 54 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: and he's very upset by this whole situation because that 55 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: whole little crew that happened to be the you know, 56 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: Joel Killing group crew are pretty much missing except for Manny, 57 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: and he doesn't give off about Manny's what he says 58 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 2: Isaac the leader, And then turns out he's trying to 59 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 2: bring Abby in to be a leader and they really 60 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: want her back all these things, and they're doing some 61 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: things about boats. I didn't catch this till later, like 62 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: boats and going out and doing things that we're like, okay, 63 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: So all that aside. We come back at the theater 64 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: and it turns out Jesse's like, we've got to go 65 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: find Tommy whatever whatnot. So he and Ellie have a 66 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: whole plan. They have Dina stayed behind. Obviously she can't 67 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: be limping about. So they go off to do their thing, 68 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: and here we find out that Jesse tricks pretty much 69 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: Ellie into telling him that yes, Gina's pregnant, He's got 70 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: a child, and he goes on and on about how 71 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: he will not die there. He needs to get his 72 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: kids back to Safety's people, back to the safety, how 73 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: he's the responsible one. We also find out that he 74 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 2: voted no about going to go after Joel's killers. So 75 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: many things. So all of that, they go out and 76 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: do their thing and trying to find Tommy at do. 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: While they go, they run into an area to the 78 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: bookstore to try to see they can find Tommy because 79 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: that's the rendezvous rendezvous place. Don't find Tommy, so they 80 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: go out to look even further, and we witness the wolves. 81 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 2: It's a torturing a serified boy, and Ellie has his 82 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: moment of trying to save him and which Jesse said, 83 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: this is not our war, it's a row. 84 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: Okay. 85 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: That happens, and then at the same time they hear 86 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: over the radio that there are sniper. There's a sniper. 87 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: There's a sniper going after the wolves. They assess that 88 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: this is Tommy and they need to go find Tommy. 89 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: But at the same time, Ellie looks off into the 90 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 2: distance and he's a well and a will. So the 91 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: affairs will from Seattle which we did ride, yes, as 92 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: well as the aquarium which you went to. But we 93 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: saw the well from Afar and she figured out that's 94 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: where Abby is and so she loses it. Ellie's like, 95 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: I gotta go, I gotta go get him, and Jesse's like, no, 96 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: we gotta go home, or do you do it? What 97 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: is wrong with you? And again he says this is 98 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: where he says, I vot didn't know. And so they 99 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: go back and forth about you know, who's better than who? 100 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: And no, no, no, no, no no, and why are you doing this? 101 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: And then finally Ellie goes her own way while he 102 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: goes to get Tommy. Ellie, we have all big water 103 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: scene heard going in the boats and as a person 104 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: who's never been on a boat, so I don't know 105 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 2: if I would figure out how to use a boat, 106 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: but hey, she apparently can. She's better than me. Anyway, 107 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: she gets to an island it turns out to be 108 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: the Seraphied Island, and there she is discovered by a 109 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: Seraphi kid who they drag her in and like she's like, 110 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: I'm not one of them, I'm not them, blah blah blah, 111 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: and the dude and the kid's like, no, gut her. 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: So they get ready to hang her, and then oh, 113 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: hear guns off in the distance, assuming that it's Isaac 114 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: and the wolves, you know, coming after the seraphits, They're like, 115 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 2: leave her. So she gets back in the boat, goes 116 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: back and instead of going by like oh, I almost died, 117 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to go and be with my people, know, 118 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: she still keeps going to the area where she thinks 119 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: Abby is. Upon getting there, she does not find Abby, 120 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 2: but who she does find is Owen and mel who 121 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: was a part of the crew. They're fighting about finding 122 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 2: Abby and they're having this moment, and of course Ellie 123 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: comes with guns ablazing, being like, where's Abby. Tell me 124 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: where Abby is? Show me on this map, and if 125 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: I'm going to ask both of you and one of 126 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: you are lying, you're dead essentially if you don't find 127 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 2: point at the same place on the map. We remember 128 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: this line from season one, but also so Owen leaps 129 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: for a gun, Ellie shoots. Not only does she kill Owen, 130 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: but it slices the neck essentially of mel who fall 131 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: back and she starts rambling, and Ellie's trying to fare 132 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: was happening. You're trying to tell her, get her to 133 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: tell her what Abby is, and that's when they she 134 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: shows that she is pregnant all these things, so like 135 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 2: she's trying to kill her to cut out the baby. 136 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: Real heartrenching scene, and like as she's dying, thinking that 137 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: it was happening, even saying you're doing great job, keep going, 138 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: and then she dies, and this is when Tommy and 139 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: Jesse come back and find her and take her back, 140 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: and Tommy's like, it's fine, You're fine. You had to 141 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: do what you had to do. They killed they killed Joel. 142 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: You had to do what you had to do. Going 143 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: back as the first book, it did happen before all 144 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: of this, where Ellie goes back to see Dina because 145 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 2: that's all she's thinking about when she had returned and 146 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: from finding Nora there, she tells Dina everything, including the 147 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: fact that Nora told her where they were, which was 148 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: the Will and the Will, as well as the fact 149 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: that Joel had killed everyone, including Abby's father, and Dina 150 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: has a moment of like, oh God, you need to 151 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: go sit over there scene. But then right before Ellie 152 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: and Jesse leave, she gives her her bracelet to give 153 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: her a lucky charm and is obviously like, she's like, 154 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: you know, come back to me this, you know, all 155 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: these things. So that had happened previously. FII. Now we're 156 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 2: back with Jesse and Tommy bring Ellie back and they're 157 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: all talking, trying to get together. Jesse and Ellie have 158 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: a really sweet scene about how you know, yeah, I 159 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: can't be too mad because I know you would go 160 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: to the ends of the earth and you would set 161 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: the earth off fire for me to come get me 162 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: all these things, and then we hear bang bang ord Heir, 163 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: and so they run out the theater without even taking 164 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: any cautions, like, come on, you would at least look 165 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: out the door before you run out, but no, they 166 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: run out really fast, and Jesse gets immediately shot in 167 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: the face, and uh oh, there's Abby. Abby's here pointing 168 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: a gun who has shot Tommy in the leg, obviously, 169 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: and Tommy's like, go run get away whatever, And Ellie 170 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: comes out and Abby realizes who she was. She was 171 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 2: like you and this is where she screams, we let 172 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 2: you live and you wasted it, and Ellie's like, you're 173 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: trying to find me. I'm the one who did this. 174 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: I'm the one who killed your friends. Because she's like, 175 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: y'all he killed my friends. I was like, no, I 176 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: did all these things, back and forth, and then we 177 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: hear a bang in scene. All of a sudden, we 178 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: come back to this was day three, by the way, 179 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: it says Seattle day three, and then all of a sudden, 180 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: it says Seattle day one. And Abby comes out after 181 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: falling asleep reading a book, and you look over at 182 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: what is probably the I guess, the main wolf station, 183 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 2: and there's all these people there and Many's talking to her, 184 00:09:48,800 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: and that's how it ends yep in scene finale. 185 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: Okay, so this episode is called Convergence because it's got 186 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: a lot of pieces that are coming together, but also 187 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: because of the storm. The storm is actually a pretty 188 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: big piece of the plot. The reason the wolves are 189 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: going to attack the Seripied Island is because they're using 190 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: the storm as cover. So it was really cool because 191 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: when we watched the episode, it was actually swarming. 192 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I started thundering. 193 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. And Peaches, Sweet Peaches math style does not like storms, 194 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: but she provided a lot of comfort for us on 195 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: the couch, which is unfortunately not so like evicted you 196 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: from your own couch. But she was like behind my 197 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: back at one point over on a friend of ours. 198 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: It was very cute she was laying on them. 199 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the storm is a big piece of this 200 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: whole thing, and I just kind of feel it's pretty iconic. 201 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like the storm's coming, that's a 202 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: very clear foreboding thing. But when I think about this game, 203 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: like a lot of these scenes happen in this episode 204 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: are some of the most iconic to me. And then 205 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: when we go to the start, you're hearing Dina before 206 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: you see her, and it almost sounds like she's giving birth. 207 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: And I think they did that purposefully because it's foreshadowing 208 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: what's going to happen with mel but it's also kind 209 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: of a throwback to Ellie's mom and how Ellie was 210 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: born because we were not really sure what's happening. But 211 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: that's the sound she's making when Jesse's trying to get 212 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: this arrow out of her. And then you have Ellie 213 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: returned to the theater. This is also a scene that 214 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: really stands out to me, where Ellie goes to check 215 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: on Dean, and then Dina sees that Ellie's hurt and 216 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: asked her to take off her shirt, and Ellie's like 217 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: just beat up in her back, like it looks horrible 218 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 1: and she's bare, and I think it's sort of a 219 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,599 Speaker 1: you know, like she's bearing her truth and her secrets 220 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: in this scene, and it's also sort of the like 221 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: damage on her body and her mind. But she We're 222 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: going to talk about this throughout Ellie's characterization in the 223 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: game versus the show is it's becoming increasingly different, not 224 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: in a way that has me mad in any any sense, 225 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: but this scene is one of the ones that's pretty different. 226 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: But that kind of Dina taking care of her and 227 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: her talking about Ellie talking about how easy it was 228 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: to Nora and expressing remorse over it and even questioning 229 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: her revenge because this is when she's like Dina says, oh, 230 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: did she deserve it? Maybe she deserved it, and Ellie's like, 231 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: maybe she did it, And she tells Dina the truth, 232 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: which at this point she has not told anybody. This 233 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: is the first time, and she never tells her in 234 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: the game, or if she does, we don't see it, 235 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: but her revealing what Joel did and Dina having this 236 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: moment of realization, we should not be here now that 237 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: I have the full context of this, this was a mistake. 238 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: And the actress who plays her is Bill Emer said 239 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: said she's kind of processing. She's having a moment similar 240 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 1: to how Ellie had that moment. Her relationship with Joel 241 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: is different than it is in the game as well, 242 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: as we've said that she's closer with Joel, but I 243 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: mean that does change things when you learn the depth 244 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 1: of what Joel did and what you're walking into. So 245 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: that's not in there. And Ellie is visibly traumatized in 246 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: the game, but she's not necessarily remorseful, but I feel 247 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: like she's remorseful in the show. Yeah, And I think 248 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: this is a difference that we're starting to see between 249 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: her and Joel, because Joel never really shows remorse. He's 250 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: only worried that he'll lose Ellie. He never says he's 251 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: sorry or anything like that. So, going back to Gail's 252 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: line of whatever path Ellie is on, it's her own, 253 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: it's not Joel's. I think we're going to start to 254 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: see more and more instances of that. And one of 255 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: the reasons it was so easy for Joel to kill 256 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: people outside his community. Is that he doesn't. It's just 257 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: only the people in this little circle that he cares about, 258 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: and anyone else doesn't matter to him. That's fine. He 259 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: doesn't feel any guilt about it. He was doing what 260 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: he had to do. But anyway, so we have this 261 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: relevation and Dina is like, we need to go home. 262 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: This is this is and she's I mean, she's got 263 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: a wounded leg, she's pregnant, Like, there's a lot of 264 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: reasons why Ellie has clearly had all of this pain 265 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: inflicted on her, like, and I think Dina's honestly worried 266 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: about her mental state. I think she's like, oh, I 267 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: think I might lose you to this. And so she 268 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: kind of lays down and cries, turns her back to 269 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: Ellie and cries, and Ellie's sort of like she nods, 270 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: but then we see that she's not quite on board 271 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: throughout the episode. But the next day, it is Seattle 272 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: day three. As we said, this is how the game 273 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: is set up. It'll have the text at the bottom 274 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: and it tells you this. It's kind of like the 275 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: Ring in that way. So Ellie and Jesse are packing up. 276 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: Dina comes and gives Dina her bracelet that she's been 277 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: wearing the entire season, by the way, and it's like, 278 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: this is for good luck to prevent you from harm, 279 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: and Ellie kind of teases her and she's like, it 280 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: doesn't look like it's done you that well, and Dina says, 281 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: it's kept me alive. And then Ellie and Jesse go 282 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: to meet Tommy at this rendezvous point and this is 283 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: in the game. This is where you get a lot 284 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: of interaction between Ellie and Jesse and you kind of 285 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: build their relationship. You learn more about how they see 286 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: each other. But it's also one of those missible things. 287 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: So many things in this game are missible, but if 288 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: you just like talk to him, you can really learn 289 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: a lot. But you don't have to enter these conversations. 290 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: A lot of them are voluntary, which I think some 291 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: people don't particularly care. And that's fine. So I, you know, 292 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: I get it, but I liked, I want to know everything, 293 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: like tell me, tell me all about it. But so 294 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 1: we kind of get that section here where Ellie and 295 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: Jesse have all of these moments, including the revelation that yeah, 296 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: Jesse realizes Tina's pregnant, and now he is thinking about 297 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: being a father and how he needs to survive. And 298 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: he has like a line later that I always loved 299 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: where he says Ellie kind of makes fun of him 300 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: for being a sap, and then he says, well, my 301 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: friends can't get out of their own damn way, And 302 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: I've always liked that because they do obviously care about 303 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: each other, even though they like they shafe against each 304 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: other and argue with each other and all of that. 305 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: But then you get to the bookstore, and this is 306 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: a beautiful scene in the game. I love this, and 307 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: it was great in the show as well. And there's 308 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: a lot of fun Easter eggs in here, including there's 309 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: like a stuffed giraffe on the couch where Ellie's sitting, 310 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: which is a throwback too, a very scene scene, innocent 311 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 1: scene in the first season. But you also have so 312 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: that this is where they're trying to meet up with Tommy, 313 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: so they're just waiting out the storm. You also have 314 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: Ellie go through these books, Edie's children's books, and she 315 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: picks up the monster at the end of this book, 316 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: which is a Sesame Street book, and in it it's Grover, 317 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: who's telling the reader like, stop reading. There's a monster 318 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: at the end of this book. Please stop, please turn back, 319 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: like please, don't do this, And then you get to 320 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: the end and there's no monster at the end of 321 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: the book. 322 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 2: Grover's the monster. 323 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: He's just like, no, there's no monsters, just men. Yeah. 324 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: But I think like the point being because I read 325 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: it in preparation, but the point was more like, yeah, 326 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: there's not really a monster there because it's Grover's the monster, 327 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: then he's not really a monster. 328 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: Just because I called a monster doesn't mean they're bad, right, 329 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be scared. 330 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, which very I'm sure it's very fitting 331 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: for how this goes because Ellie's kind of chosen this 332 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: journey to get revenge. There's nobody telling her she has 333 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: to do it, and we're all like, stop, don't turn 334 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: the next babe, It'll do the next thing. And when 335 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: you get to the end, who guess what. There's also 336 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: in the background there's an Alice in Wonderland kind of mural, 337 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: but there's also like statue mushrooms, and in the game, 338 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Ellie and Jesse have a conversation where they're like people 339 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: used to think this was okay, Like this is not cool, 340 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: So I like that that was in the background. And 341 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: then also you can see on top of it, everything 342 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: has a moral if only you can find it, which 343 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: at first I thought was a mushroom pun which it 344 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: could be. But the point I think they're making is 345 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: that a lot of things in this story are justified violence. 346 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: So you can find the moral. You can tell yourself. 347 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: Will they did this to Joel, so I'm justified doing this? 348 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: But everyone everyone has a version of that, and that's 349 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: how people have become so brutal and justified it to 350 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: themselves as they have found this moral. So then we 351 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: get to them hearing that there is a sniper. They 352 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: both guess that it's Tommy. They run out, they try 353 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: to get to higher ground so they can maybe see 354 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: where he is, and that's when Ellie sees the ferris 355 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: wheel and then the aquarium with the wheel and the whale, 356 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: and she's like, Ah, that's the way I need to 357 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: get a boat, and Jesse's like, what, we need to 358 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: go that way. That's where Tommy is. And they get 359 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: to this big fight about community, and I skipped over 360 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: the part where they got into a fight about saving 361 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: the seraphite boy who was being tortured by the guy 362 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: that Isaac saved kind of the for not being fascist, 363 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: but has now become essentially the new Josh Peck character. 364 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's interesting because you have Jesse saying things like, 365 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: I put other people first because I was raised in 366 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: Jackson and that's they took care of me. I voted 367 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: no because you only think about yourself, which I'm sure 368 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: burned because she yelled at Joel the same kind of 369 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: thing about him being selfish, and she kind of has 370 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: this breaking point where she says, your community because it's 371 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: essentially it divides us versus them. You're you let this 372 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: kid die today because they're not in your community. And 373 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: that kind of goes back to Joel's whole thing where 374 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: he's in the first episode didn't want to let more 375 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: refugees in because it's outside of his circle. And that's 376 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: going to be a big that's going to be a 377 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: big theme next season. So but yeah, they have this 378 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: big fight and then Jesse says, I hope you make it, 379 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: and he goes after Tommy and she goes after Abby 380 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: and she chooses this. This is the second time we've 381 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: seen it where Ellie chooses this revenge over saving somebody 382 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: in her life or even just looking back, like she's 383 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: stuck in the past instead of thinking about the future. 384 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: And so she she takes the boat. She takes this 385 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: boat out and she gets stuck on the serap Fhight 386 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: Island for a minute. This kid turns her in. She's like, no, 387 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm not one of you, kind of using this community fight. 388 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: What she did call out is she knows it's hyper critical, 389 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: but she's saying, like, you hypocritical too. But anyways, they 390 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: are going to hang her, and this alarm goes off 391 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: and they leave her to go see what the alarm 392 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: is going on with that, and she gets back in 393 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: the boat, gets to the aquarium and this is when 394 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: she has her confrontation with Owen and Mel. And Owen 395 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: and Mel are having this fight about Abby, and when 396 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: Owen pulls a gun on Ellie, she shoots him kind 397 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: of on reaction, but then kills Mel as collateral damage, 398 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: and she's kind of collateral damage for both Ellie and 399 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: Abby at this point. But it's also really sad because 400 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: this is a loss of knowledge because Ellie, as Mel's 401 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: trying to coax her through doing this emergency c section. 402 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: Ellie doesn't know how to do it, and Mel did. 403 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: And now Mel's gone. And Nora was also in the 404 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: medical field and now she's gone. Abby's dad was in 405 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: the medical field and now he's gone. And we talked 406 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: about this with Gail in the book she was reading 407 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: in the last episode about set the last person in 408 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,719 Speaker 1: who had to read, and then he was gone. So 409 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: we're seeing a lot of this, like loss of knowledge. 410 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: It's also pretty symbolic. I think that she has her 411 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: mom's knife and that's how she's trying to save this baby. 412 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: And this is when as Mel dies, it's horrible, so sad. 413 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: This is when Ellie realizes how far she's fallen and 414 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: the gravity of her actions in the game, she kind 415 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: of freezes. She has more of a freeze reaction, but 416 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: in here she's really like, oh no, I mean, we're 417 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, we're meant to assume she's thinking of Dina 418 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: and like, oh, this is what could have happened. And 419 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: she didn't. I mean, she didn't mean to kill me, 420 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: but she did, and she killed she killed a baby. 421 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: And this is also one of the parts in the 422 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: game that always gets me is because as the player, 423 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: you're like, I remember you remember playing her when she 424 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: was like a kid and she had all this, when 425 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: her life wasn't this and now you see her and 426 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: you're like, oh wow, this world has really really devastated 427 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: you and this is how you are. And this I 428 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: also thought this was interesting that Bella Ramsey said, you know, 429 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: in the last episode, Joel's dad had said I hope 430 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: you do better than me, and then Joel said that 431 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: to Ellie and then Bella Ramsey said, no, Ellie did worse. 432 00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: So I don't know it's comp located because I don't 433 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: want to come. I don't want to spoil things. But 434 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: she does feel she does feel as she should, pretty 435 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: bad about this, and this is when your question like 436 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: can she come back from it? As she'd gone too far? 437 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 1: Is this going to change her? She's going to keep 438 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: doing the same old things. And she did go out 439 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: of her way to make sure she had Joel's gun 440 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: and make sure she had the bullets for Joel's gun, 441 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: like she was really going for this. So that's they 442 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: died by that gun. And you know when you hear 443 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: when Tommy finds her, Tommy and Jesse and later he's 444 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: trying to comfort her, and he says, like they made 445 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: their choices, which they did, but they also didn't want 446 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: to go. We saw that in the first episode that 447 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: they wanted to convince Abby to turn back, and now 448 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: we've got Ellie's people who didn't want to go and 449 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: they can for Ellie. So it's another parallel, which does 450 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: bring us to a said very sad moment because Ellie 451 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: and Jesse kind of makeup and Jesse implies like, yeah, 452 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: I understand you would You're would come for me, and 453 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: she says, oh, yes, I would, and that sort of 454 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: confirms like their family or their community or this whatever 455 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: it is. And then they hear all these sounds and 456 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: they run out and then Jesse's just shot dead. Immediately 457 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: Ellie dives to the side and we get Abby, who's 458 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: threatening Tommy, and Ellie gives herself up because at this moment, 459 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: I think she realizes this I have what have I wrought? 460 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: And Ellie and Abby have a moment where they're just 461 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: kind of looking at each other and Abby is like, oh, 462 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: it's you and this is all after Ellie says I'm 463 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: not like you to Owen and mel But I think 464 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: in this moment she realized like, no, I think maybe 465 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: I am. But you know, whether Ellie just can't let 466 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: it go. She can't let it go. I'm saying that dismissively, 467 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, like, that's kind of her whole 468 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: thing is, she just can't move on, she can't let 469 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: it go. That does bring us to Abby, Abby, Abby, 470 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: which I realize, like the Ferris Wheel, I'm so glad 471 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: they put it in there in the game. That's your 472 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: kind of like your north star to where Abby is 473 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: because it's next to the aquarium. But there were so 474 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: many mentions of like breaking the wheel in the interviews 475 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: of The Wheel of Revenge, and I was like, Okay, 476 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: I see, I didn't think of that. But yeah, we 477 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: do have a scene where we hear Isaac talking about 478 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: Abby and saying she's a leader, also calling everybody else 479 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: almost like a sheep that has no mind for themselves, 480 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: a sheep in wolf's clothing. But he's saying like, we 481 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: need a leader to leave the wolves after I'm gone, 482 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I'm going to die. You probably will. 483 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: He's talking to Alize at this point too, You're probably 484 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: gonna die too, So we need a leader. It was 485 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: supposed to be her. It's just kind of like how 486 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: Jesse is supposed to be the leader of Jackson and 487 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: now he's gone and we don't know. He doesn't know 488 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: where Abby is, and he says, you know, the whole team, 489 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: they're called the Salt Lake City Crew or the Salt 490 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: Lake Crew. The whole team has been missing pretty much 491 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: except for Manny. Except for Manny. This is so interesting 492 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: because I actually don't, like I said, I don't know 493 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: what the show will do in the game except for Manny. 494 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: And now knowing the day one reset, I will tell 495 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: you that Ellie and Abby have been orbiting each other 496 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: this entire time. It's kind of like pieces of a 497 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: puzzle that I love. But if you notice, I didn't 498 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: notice the first time I watched it, Abby has bruises 499 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: around her throat, indicating she too was almost hung by 500 00:31:53,360 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: the Seraphytes. But yeah, the wl F I recommend to 501 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: rewatch as always. The WLF is the outfit that at 502 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: the first episode that Owen mentions where he's like, it's 503 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: run by Isaac and the remaining fireflights went there. So 504 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: they've been there for a minute and they have risen 505 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: up the ranks. But this does bring me to my 506 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: iconic Abby line, which is we let you live and 507 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: you wasted it. That's what we have on some glasses, 508 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: who so good and her having that whole you know, 509 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: you killed my friends full circle moment, and Ellie trying 510 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, it was me, don't kill my friends. 511 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: But they're not seeing that. They're the same They're doing 512 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: the same thing. And then you get the cut to 513 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: black and the flashback, which I'm going to talk about 514 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: in a second, but I cannot tell you how shocking 515 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: this was the first time I played the game. Oh 516 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: my god. Oh. We also have more parallels. You've got 517 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: the Dina and mel bothing pregnant thing. You kind of 518 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: have Ellen and Jesse, which we'll get into more in 519 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: season three. There's three beds in the aquarium, by the way, 520 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: just to point that out. You've got the science museum 521 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: that Ellie loves and the aquarium that Abbey loves. It's 522 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: very important to Abby and it's such a pain to 523 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: get there in the game. It's such a pain. And 524 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: it's a great build up too, because you think you're 525 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: going to have to have this confrontation finally, and you 526 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: had to fight so hard to get there and nope, 527 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: just more trauma for you move on. You also have 528 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: both Abby and Ellie having a solo journey that they 529 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: have to do because people were not the people in 530 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: their group were like, no, I'm not doing this anymore, 531 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: and then weather ruining them. So for Abby was the 532 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: appalanche and for Ellie the storm. You also have Abby's 533 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: choice to save Ellie and seeing that a couple of 534 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: characters of selflessness leading to death. She also Spardina too, 535 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: and that's when you first see that Mel is a medic. 536 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: As I pointed out in our reaction to the first episode, 537 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,240 Speaker 1: she is wearing a watch. Abby is similar to Joel 538 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: and just this whole idea has been big this season 539 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: of cycles, getting stuck in cycles, justifying things, being very hypocritical, 540 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: and so Ellie's whole thing of like you think I'm 541 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: good and you're good and I'm bad. Like that's going 542 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: to play out more now that if we're moving into 543 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: Abby's territory. But also that's kind of a piece of 544 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: the seraphytes in the WLF conflict that we'll see And yeah, 545 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: like there are things that I'm very interested how they 546 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: play out on the show. But there are things where 547 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: the wl LF attack on the island saved Ellie. Like 548 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,479 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of little pieces of what is going 549 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: on in Abby's story that influence Ellie's story, And it's 550 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: really fun when you get the whole thing and you're like, oh, okay, 551 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: I see some game differences to run through Shimmer, I'm 552 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: just gonna tell you Shimmer died in the game. 553 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 2: I'm really glad they didn't kill Shimmer. 554 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: They did not kill Shimmer. I was waiting for it, 555 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: I know. So they talked about this in the like 556 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: post interviews of the episode, but Ellie doesn't go to 557 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: the serified island. The kind of the different versions of 558 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: the prophet that Ellie mentions that's not in the game. 559 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: But I think that's really interesting because it's implying that 560 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: she's been around so long no one really remembers or 561 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: knows what she looks like, and in the way that 562 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: religion often does is that it's sort of up for 563 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: interpretation or whoever is making the art. Tommy, We've been 564 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: saying this whole time. Tommy had a completely different story, 565 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: but he in the end he did. That's how he 566 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 1: ends up is with Ellie pretty much line for line 567 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,959 Speaker 1: that whole scene why Jesse came. So Jesse's actually more 568 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: reckless in the game than he is in the show 569 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: because he comes by himself, but in here he was 570 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 1: very much like made plan, came with Tommy, this is 571 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: why I'm here, and they have the whole explanation of 572 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: how he found them, how Mel dies. So when this 573 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: confrontation happens Ellie, it's similar with Owen because he tries 574 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 1: to shoot her first, and so Ellie kind of acts 575 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,479 Speaker 1: and shoots him. But then Mel comes from the side 576 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: and tries to stab her, and Ellie grabs her wrists 577 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: and stabs her with her own knife and she dies 578 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: there and Owen is still alive and he's like his 579 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: last words are like, she's pregnant, And that's when Ellie 580 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: realizes she's pregnant, and she just goes into complete she 581 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: freezes completely. And this is one of the big differences 582 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: in the game. Ellie doesn't actually know the full truth 583 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: of why Abby killed Joel in the game. In the show, 584 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: she does. In the game, she's just like, you're a firefly, 585 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: but she doesn't know kind of the father connection, so 586 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: that that's a difference. Obviously, As I said, Dina didn't 587 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: know any of this, so that's a difference. I also 588 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: think that's another way that Ellie's different than Joel is 589 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 1: that she did tell Dina like you should probably know this, 590 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: but okay, I just have to talk about this because 591 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: it was so shocking the first time I played it. 592 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you are a little shocked. But 593 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: when you get to this scene, you've been trying to 594 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: find Abby this whole time, it's just like build up, 595 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: build up, build up, and we let you live. Then 596 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: you wasted it and it cuts to black. Okay, In 597 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: the game, it goes to a flashback as Abby as 598 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: a child and you see her with her dad, and 599 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: this is kind of us being like, oh no, so 600 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: Joel killed her dad because we didn't know it. We 601 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: didn't know it as the player yet as opposed to 602 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: the show. But I was playing it and I'm still mad, 603 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: and I'm all like, this horrible thing, all these traumatic 604 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: things have just happened, and I'm like, I know I'm 605 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: going to have to fight Abby. So I think it's 606 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: going to be a short flashback to be like, Okay, 607 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: I see this is why Abby is the way she 608 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: is and then it cuts to black again and it 609 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: says Seattle day would and I freaked out. I was like, 610 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: no way, no way, They're not gonna make me play 611 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: this whole thing guys. Abby. Yep, they make you play 612 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: the whole thing as Abby. And it's a very I've 613 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 1: talked about it in previous episodes. It is a shocking 614 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:32,839 Speaker 1: creative choice, but wow, the like empathy of can you 615 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: now you get her side of it? Can you be 616 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: empathetic toward it? And also it like digs a knife 617 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 1: in more because you start in that stadium which is 618 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: in Seattle, and there's a dog that you know you 619 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: killed as Ellie. That Abby is like petty, it's her dog. 620 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: They didn't kill the dog, so the dog would have 621 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: died at the aquarium, but it was such a moment 622 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: of oh, no, I have to examine my actions. So 623 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: it makes you do it kind of as the player, 624 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: and I'm going to say as the viewer, I don't 625 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: think it would be quite the same, but oh that 626 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: when that dog showed up. And then there's like another 627 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 1: part where you see all these bodies and they're like, oh, 628 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 1: it was the trespasser that killed them. And you're like, 629 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: oh no, that was me, but okay. The book that 630 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: Abby's reading when she wakes up is a major influence 631 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: for the Last of Us, and it's pretty much Joel 632 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: and Ellie's relationships. It's about like two characters and Apocalypse 633 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: that don't like each other and they have to fight 634 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: like campbells and stuff, but then at the end they 635 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: of course become really close. Abby hasn't finished the book yet. 636 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: This is also where we get our first, our biggest 637 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: look at how big the WLF is. And you do 638 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: hear from now on, you're gonna hear a lot more 639 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: about when we heard them talking about Tommy beating the 640 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: sniper as a trespasser. Since you've already played Ellie's part, 641 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: now you're gonna hear it and know who they're talking 642 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 1: about largely, which is a cool It's upsetting, but it's 643 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: like a cool, Oh I remember when I did that. 644 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 1: But the song that ends on as a sound Garden 645 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 1: song the Burden in My Hand, which is a band 646 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: from Seattle, and it's about not finding any resolution. One 647 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 1: of the lines is I lost my head again, Would 648 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: you cry for me? And it's like falling into the 649 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: same cycles over and over, and so even this setup 650 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: of like now we're back at day one, that's a cycle, 651 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: and it kind of reminds me of the whole Moth 652 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: and Light motif of like Ellie always looking for this 653 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: and trying to find meaning or purpose or what have you, 654 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: and not being able to find it, and in fact 655 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: being kind of angry and confused about how it seems 656 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: to her. No one else understands how hypocritical they're being, 657 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,760 Speaker 1: But there is no resolution for Ellie at this point. 658 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,600 Speaker 1: There is no resolution for us at this point because 659 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: we were waiting for this whole conversation. We don't get it. 660 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: As I said, they've called this their Empire strikes Back season, 661 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: so the Empire strikes Back doesn't in a pretty low place. 662 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 1: But because you know how a return of the Jedi is, 663 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,720 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, that's fine, but yes, we are going 664 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: to see Abby's POV next season and we're going to 665 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: go through the days from her, and it's really cool, 666 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: like the ways they were so close to each other 667 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: so many times, really really cool. So this brings me 668 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 1: to my list of random things and if you don't 669 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: want any like hints at what might happen I'm just 670 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 1: asking questions that you can think about. I'm not spoiling, 671 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 1: but if you don't even want that, this is where 672 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,560 Speaker 1: you should click out. Okay, one is this is a 673 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: stupid one. But why does everyone have the same flannel shirt. 674 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out if I should be picking 675 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: up any meaning from that. But Ellie, Joel, and Jesse 676 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,960 Speaker 1: all I have the same blue Fanel shirt. I thought 677 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,479 Speaker 1: it was making it up, but I've seen it enough 678 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: that I know. If you want to go back to 679 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: the last episode of season one, you can see someone 680 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,240 Speaker 1: who looks like Abby running in the hospital. I'm pretty 681 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: sure that they're never going to say that was her, 682 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 1: but they were clearly trying to be like, we know 683 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: Abby exists and is here, and we talked about it 684 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: in our reaction to that episode. But if now that 685 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: you've seen Abby and you want to go back, it's 686 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 1: very brief, but you can see her running by when 687 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: Joel is going on his rampage. And now that we 688 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,680 Speaker 1: are going to start Abby's POV and we are going 689 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: to learn the answers to some questions that I'm sure 690 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,880 Speaker 1: at least some of you have. One what did the 691 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: Salt Lake crew say, when Ellie's ears were ringing, because 692 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: all of them said, if we let you live some 693 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: version of that. Every one of them said it what 694 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: was happening with the village when the alarm went off? 695 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: And you know, when you go back to Abby's point 696 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 1: of view on day one, Manny says, Isaac's waiting for us, 697 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: So clearly like they're preparing for this assault. Why was 698 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:00,440 Speaker 1: Abby missing when she knew at that point looked like 699 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,880 Speaker 1: she was on board and planning on showing up the bandages? 700 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: So in the aquarium there's a bunch of bloody bandages, 701 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: which when you see them, when Ellie sees them, she 702 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: immediately assumes the worst about wl phone, like what they've done. 703 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: And so this is another reason I can kill them 704 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: and not feel bad. So what's going on there? How 705 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,840 Speaker 1: did Abby even find them? Anyway? Which, believe me, I 706 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: was asking when I was how did she even get in? 707 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 1: Where's Dana? What we're owing and Mel fighting about? Why 708 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,319 Speaker 1: is Mel Matt at Abby? What was going on with 709 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: Tommy and the sniper at the marina? Uh? And I 710 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: think it's worth noting that Abby says he killed my friend, 711 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: so she is she thinks it's him the bridges. So 712 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,440 Speaker 1: there are some bridges you can see in the skyline, 713 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,759 Speaker 1: and I think that's going to be one of the 714 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: scariest parts of the game. People who are afraid of heights, 715 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: they always tell me that part is like the scariest 716 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: part to them. Obviously the gunshot we hear before we 717 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,879 Speaker 1: switch to Abbey's POV. What happened there? The rat King 718 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,080 Speaker 1: who I've been talking about over and over you have 719 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: and now we'll learn hopefully, Oh, I think so. And 720 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: then kind of like on a deeper level we talked 721 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,600 Speaker 1: about before, this is a lot of questions in this show, 722 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: game or like who won't inherit the earth when it's 723 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: like this, and we have a lot of instances of 724 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: Children of War, of these vengeance cycles of people trying 725 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,319 Speaker 1: not to be trying to make something better or make 726 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: something for the future and then being punished for it. 727 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:06,600 Speaker 1: Will they break the cycle? Who will? If anybody? There 728 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,320 Speaker 1: have been instances a few instances of Ellie trying to 729 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 1: break free already, I think from just based on like 730 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,799 Speaker 1: at least from the cycle that Joel might have set 731 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,719 Speaker 1: her on by telling Dina this thing, by feeling the 732 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: truth and by feeling remorse about what she's done. Now 733 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:30,280 Speaker 1: does it stay or does she get stuck in it again? Okay, 734 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,840 Speaker 1: those are some things to think about as we wait. 735 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: A shout out to the creators, because that's a lot 736 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,399 Speaker 1: to keep in mind of, kind of having two storylines 737 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: that you're telling at the same time, but you have 738 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: to film separately and write separately. But yeah, I know 739 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: a lot of you probably angry, and I'm telling you 740 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 1: I was too, I remember, but I promise you it's 741 00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: worth it and it's so fun. We have the complete story. 742 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,919 Speaker 1: It's a rewarding, complete story. Like there are literally things 743 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: you see in the background and be like, oh happy 744 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,080 Speaker 1: that was Abby or oh yeah, Ellie kills all of them. 745 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: So if you go back to the first episode where 746 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: you see the Salt Light crew, you're like, oh, yep, 747 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:28,240 Speaker 1: sorry about that, my bad. But yeah, thanks so much 748 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: listeners and Samantha for coming along this journey with me. 749 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,239 Speaker 1: I've had a good time. I hope you have as well, 750 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,399 Speaker 1: even if you don't play or watch, which I'm sure 751 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,560 Speaker 1: this must be wild for you listening to this commitment. 752 00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,600 Speaker 1: If he's not watched, yes, thank you, thank you, thank you, 753 00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,839 Speaker 1: and won't be back one day for season three and 754 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 1: Abby Happy Abby. 755 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,560 Speaker 2: I mean I think we need to be back to 756 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 2: do a recap of everything everything. 757 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, after I've watched, like done my whole. 758 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like you need to watch first season 759 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,799 Speaker 2: and the second season and bring it in together, and 760 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 2: then we'll come back and as a review of like 761 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 2: what has happened in your after thoughts. I guess what 762 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:14,920 Speaker 2: needs to happen. 763 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I would love to do it. You 764 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: know I would love to do it because I told 765 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,239 Speaker 1: Samantha I did have to cut out. I know these 766 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,360 Speaker 1: are long, but I cut out stuff from them because 767 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: I just want to talk about every all of it. 768 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,800 Speaker 2: I think, well, I think we're going to return, Yes, okay, 769 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 2: I think we have one more. We have one more lessons. 770 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,880 Speaker 1: That feels like at the end of I was wondering 771 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: if they were going to do something like you know 772 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:44,799 Speaker 1: how the marvels like Marvel like Horribile return and I thought, 773 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: I was like, well they do that for last time. 774 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,720 Speaker 1: It was just to be like it will come back. 775 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 2: Seems still kitching now because it's such a marvel thing. 776 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,799 Speaker 1: Well, anyway, Samantha and any will be back, Yes, we 777 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,960 Speaker 1: will with one Yes, all right. But in the meantime, 778 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: that is what I have to say for you. You 779 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: can email us any of your thoughts at Hello at 780 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960 Speaker 1: stuff onever Told You dot com. You can also find 781 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 1: us on Blue Sky at mom Souf Podcasts, or on 782 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,239 Speaker 1: Instagram and TikTok at stuff Whenever Told You. We also 783 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,920 Speaker 1: have a t popic store, We're on YouTube, and we 784 00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,760 Speaker 1: have a book you can get where you get your books. 785 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,640 Speaker 1: Thanks as always too our super producer Christina, executive producer 786 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: and tricker Joey. 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