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Speaker 1: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Some of you are beautiful idiots.

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Speaker 1: Why are some of you beautiful idiots? Well, one, you're

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Speaker 1: all beautiful. Two. Some of you new surprise from yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Some of you are new here today and we're on

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Speaker 1: with that, but I digress. Ladies and gentlemen. We have

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Speaker 1: my very own flesh and blood. We have the kin

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Speaker 1: to my skin. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome my sister Lord Pride.

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Speaker 1: What's up on? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm good?

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Speaker 1: How did you enjoy your first day of streaming?

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Speaker 2: It was fun.

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Speaker 3: I didn't screw up terribly. You you know I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I didn't burn down the entire studio.

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Speaker 1: That's not true.

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Speaker 2: We have to rebuild.

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Speaker 1: It's, y'all. Overnight, everything's rebuilt. It's all new.

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Speaker 3: Wow, y'all are really good at construction.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of something new, we're doing a new game show,

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Speaker 1: Inheritance game show. Do you have a story regarding inheritance,

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Speaker 1: Your inheritance, somebody else's I don't know. Sophia is going

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Speaker 1: to drop a link in the chat right now and

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Speaker 1: you can fill it out. Yes, Yes, Sophia that's that's

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Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. Sofia is gonna message Riley and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna drop it in at a later time during

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Speaker 1: the stream, and then you can fill it out and join.

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Speaker 1: How does that sound? That sounds great? Doesn't really good? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know what else sounds great? Reading this next story?

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Speaker 1: I think my husband had an affair baby with his

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Speaker 1: girl best friend. Now our son wants to date our daughter.

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Speaker 1: The web crosses are crossing web. I am a forty

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Speaker 1: two year old woman. My husband, Luke is forty three,

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Speaker 1: and so is Amy. I'm guessing the girl best friend.

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Speaker 1: I met Luke in college, but he's known Amy since

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Speaker 1: they were around seven years old. They did everything together

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Speaker 1: and understood each other implicitly. They were best they were

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Speaker 1: best friends. They've always insisted that they are surrogate siblings

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Speaker 1: to each other. I don't like what this is headed,

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Speaker 1: but it comes from psych factor on our side to okay,

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Speaker 1: story times subrendits so naturally, I, as a new girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: felt a little threatened by Amy and her closeness to Luke,

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Speaker 1: but they both reassured me I had nothing to worry about.

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Speaker 1: Their bond was not romantic and had never been sexual.

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Speaker 1: That Amy really was just the sister that Luke never had.

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Speaker 1: I believed them, and it didn't take long for me

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Speaker 1: to forget any and all insecurity I had about Amy.

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Speaker 1: She became my friend too, and she officiated our wedding.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice. Luke and I have built wonderful life together

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Speaker 1: and we always had a strong relationship. After we got

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Speaker 1: I don't like that.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure the husband saw

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Speaker 3: a lot more of Amy.

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Speaker 1: I've passed many a night on the town trying to

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Speaker 1: help Amy find a man, as she's always lamented how

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Speaker 1: unlucky she is in love. Luke and I started to

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Speaker 1: have children after we were married, and around that same point,

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Speaker 1: so did Amy. Coincidence, no, I think so? Oh for context, uh,

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Speaker 1: My children are Sophie fifteen, Owen twelve, Louise ten, and

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Speaker 1: Carter six. Wow. Amy's children are Tom seventeen, Kaylee fourteen,

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Speaker 1: This is this is a lot. Wow. Now, Amy was

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Speaker 1: but not consistently quote unquote. As Luke and I had

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Speaker 1: herself pregnant as well. Interesting it happened periodically, Wait and OPI.

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Speaker 4: Was never like, who's the father, She's like, I'm just pregnant.

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Speaker 4: I just got they know, every couple months the woman

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Speaker 1: It happens periodicity.

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Speaker 3: Women they reproduce via mitosis.

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Speaker 1: They just split it off like Adams, always splitting off

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Speaker 1: I never knew anything about the fathers in question. I

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Speaker 1: Luke agreed this was probably the answer. While I did

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Speaker 1: ask each time if Amy knew the paternity, she always

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Speaker 1: didn't pester her. Do you do you say anything more?

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Speaker 3: God forbid. Women have hobbies.

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Speaker 1: Random, Yeah, exactly. My hobby is pregnant.

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Speaker 3: My hobby is meeting strangers and giving them my address.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. So let's get back to the story.

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Speaker 1: Of course, she had us to support her, so there

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Speaker 1: Luke was never gonna let his best friend struggle to

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Speaker 1: And Luke also had wealthy parents who already knew and

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, hush money, USh money.

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Speaker 1: My parents, my in laws defy all stereotypes. They're the

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Speaker 1: People might be tempted to call her a leech, but

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Speaker 1: I never saw it that way. None of us did.

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Speaker 1: She needed help and we could provide it low key

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Speaker 1: if they're kind of like her adopted sister. Essentially, that

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Usually people don't do things unless there's

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Speaker 1: This is true, that might be, and I see you

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Speaker 1: question why she never used more reliable birth control. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: Right, how is it not religious?

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Speaker 1: Happen because I want it, but like I want it.

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Speaker 1: not want to take birth control. She's explained it to

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Speaker 1: Amy being Luke's best friend since they were kids, it's

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Speaker 3: Perhaps perhaps answers yes.

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Speaker 1: But for years they presented as being buddies, like siblings.

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Speaker 1: I didn't pick up on any vibes between them. Not ever,

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Speaker 1: as one can expect, our children were brought up, were

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Speaker 1: brought up together, not in the same house. Our home

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Speaker 1: made sure Amy Amy's children met ours from a young age,

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Speaker 1: I'm right and they share blood.

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Speaker 3: This is like non denominational Douggers family, right, it was like,

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Speaker 3: this is like Douggers for atheists.

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Speaker 2: Don't understand that reference.

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Speaker 1: You've never heard of the Doggers.

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Speaker 3: No, it's like a type show. So it's a family

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Speaker 3: that had a reality TV show show on TLC, and

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Speaker 3: the Quiverfull movement, which which is why I was confused

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Speaker 3: as to why the mistress didn't have a Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: you know, like knocking an arrow quiver.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yeah. By the way, important detail. They had

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Speaker 3: Ah, yes, they had so many children. Yes, for parentification,

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Speaker 3: it did not work.

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Speaker 4: I want to know was this friend, like, was she

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Speaker 4: like no birth control pills or all?

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Speaker 1: Just like con it said, if we're taking it to

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Speaker 1: face value, it said no birth control. But that's a

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Speaker 3: It was nine kidcounting, thank you. Auarius.

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Speaker 1: There we go. H I've been dwaddling getting to the

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Speaker 1: I would never have believed my husband's my husband to

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Speaker 1: no indication that he's in that he is the unfaithful sort.

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Speaker 1: But he does spend a lot of time with Amy,

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Speaker 1: with any real boyfriend. Over the years. She would talk

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Speaker 1: her confused. After Carter, our youngest, was born, Luke and

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Speaker 1: I agreed that time had the time had come for

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Speaker 1: him to have a asectomy. Amy's twins had just come

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Speaker 1: out a couple of years prior. Of course, after the procedure,

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Speaker 1: Luke and I continued to make sweet love, but I

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Speaker 1: no longer had to think about pregnancy. Meanwhile, Amy never

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Speaker 1: got pregnant again after the twins.

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Speaker 4: What do you think, Sophia, I just can't imagine, Like

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Speaker 4: your best friend live basically lives with you, yep, continues

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Speaker 4: to get pregnant like every I don't know, every year,

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Speaker 2: And your kids kind of look alike.

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Speaker 1: And I think, from what they're saying, you basically completely

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Speaker 1: to kill this butting romance in the crib, I am

436
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 1: also feeling somewhat powerless. Sophie hasn't outwardly defied me. She's

437
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: still hanging out with Tom as friends, so forcing them

438
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: to stop being so forcing them to stop spending time

439
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: together would be unreasonable and probably encourage more sneaking around.

440
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: But I'm so afraid they're already doing that. My nightmare

441
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: is that they're secretly dating and doing god knows what

442
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: when no one is looking. I've observed Tom being rather

443
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: handsy with Sophie and she presents no objection whatsoever. Oh God,

444
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 1: And I just don't know what to say. Stop bro.

445
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 2: I feel like at this point she has to say something.

446
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean, she has to, she has.

447
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 3: To at this point. I think the best move for

448
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: OP would be to hire a PI who like has

449
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: an end with someone at like the States like DNA Department,

450
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: maybe because they do that all the time. You know,

451
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 3: the police, they'll have a suspect, they'll be tailing them,

452
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: and they wait for the suspect, you know, like throw away, say,

453
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: like something they were drinking from.

454
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: Is that legal? I don't even Yes, it's perfectly as

455
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: a PI, though, like not as like law enforcement.

456
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, but law enforcement do it

457
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: all the time. Where you know, a suspect will discard

458
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: you know, like a cigarette, a cup or a bottle

459
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: that they're drinking from. They'll retrieve it from the trash,

460
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 3: send it over for DNA testing, and boom, they have

461
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 3: their yeah.

462
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because on all their stories are always like, oh,

463
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: let me get the sample and get the approval. I

464
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not sure exactly sure how it works. Chat.

465
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: I just think that she should like talk to her

466
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 4: husband honestly, yes, because if it's been this many years

467
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 4: of her doubting, you know, his fidelity, yes, and thinking

468
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: that he needed with a amy and stuff, then at

469
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 4: that point they already have problems in their marriage.

470
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: So like, what is she I don't know. I don't

471
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 2: know what she's losing.

472
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: Before this, she already completely had the grounds to approach

473
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: him with the conversation about it.

474
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

475
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: And now it's like we are this is venturing into

476
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: very very very dangerous territory literally, and like if this is,

477
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: if this is what we think it is, siblings can't date.

478
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: This is quite literally biological warfare.

479
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:31,959
Speaker 2: Siblings were dating.

480
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Well, what an episode to have my

481
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: sister on. Yeah, okay, So I just don't know what

482
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: to say. I consider trying to convince Sophie that Tom

483
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: is like her brother, but she doesn't see him that way. God,

484
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: or maybe she does it does oh my god, step

485
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: bro minus the step I don't really have the power

486
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: to rewrite their emotional dynamic or the history of their friendship.

487
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: I always saw Amy and her children as being like family,

488
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: but my kids might see Amy's kids more as best friends.

489
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: The problem is, of course, that if my husband has

490
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: indeed carrying on an affair over the years, and I'm

491
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: right about the paternity of Amy's children, then Tom and

492
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: Sophie cannot be anything more than friends under any circumstances,

493
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: and of discussion facts, it can never happen. I feel

494
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: powerless to stop it, though. Luke has apparently talked to

495
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: Tom about this, as has Amy, but he is unrelenting

496
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 1: and he won't give up on Sophie. I think she

497
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: enjoys the attention and devotion. Tom also has confronted me

498
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: and asked me why I'm so against this when I

499
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: know him very well and I know he would be

500
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: good to Sophie. I don't know what to do. I

501
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: don't know what to say, other than to fall back

502
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: on her being too young for him. That won't work forever.

503
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: If God forbid, they're still attracted to each other in

504
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: a few years, then they'll pursue this with abandon and

505
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: once they're legal adults, there's nothing I can do about it.

506
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: How old? What's the age difference?

507
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: So I believe it was like it might be fifteen

508
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: and seventeen right now.

509
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: The age of the children has ever mentioned?

510
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: They said it. I think they Yeah, I am here

511
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: we go. Yeah, Tom is seventeen and.

512
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: Sophie.

513
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: Sophie is fifteen. Yes, yeah, fifteen, fifteen and seventeen? Right now?

514
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: Should we do?

515
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: Wow? She is running out of time, dude.

516
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: Literally the clock is taking.

517
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: The biological claw.

518
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: Oh god.

519
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: They listened to Amy about her, you know, her practices?

520
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 4: What you know what I'm saying?

521
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: What is she practicing?

522
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: Not birth control?

523
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god? Oh no, Sophie. You know Amy and

524
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: Luke agreed with me.

525
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: Is she a lawyer? What practice?

526
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 4: Amy?

527
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: Luke agreed with me that Tom cannot date Sophie. But

528
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: that's all they've done. They feel just as powerless to

529
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: prevent teen love. It genuinely feels like something they've given

530
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: up and will bury their heads in the sand about this. Oh,

531
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: just do nothing and hope feelings past as Tom and

532
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: Sophy get older. That is not the right move. Which, yeah,

533
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: they're in high school. They're probably once again further evidence

534
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: that they're trying, because then they're exposed.

535
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: Right, truly negligent on Luke and Amy's part.

536
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, insane if that is Luke's son.

537
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: You're letting your children date? What are you doing? Oh

538
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: my god, just to save yourself.

539
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, like your marriage is already kind of m so,

540
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: like what are you saving?

541
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: He probably in uh the husband's absolutely deluded mind. He's like, oh,

542
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: I have an amazing friendship with Amy, I have an

543
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: amazing wife, Like like even Op has like seemingly kind

544
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: of gone along with it. Yea, So I feel like

545
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: in his like absolute fantasy worlds, he's like, oh, everything's great.

546
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 3: Hunning Roses probably most likely just fore you guys, it's true.

547
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: Uh so, Yeah, they're in high school. It's unlikely Tom

548
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: will be in love with Sophie forever, but my fear

549
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: is that she'll let him do something intimate with her

550
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: before that time comes, something neither of them can take back.

551
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: I am this close to opening a door I cannot close.

552
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: And this took close to screaming at Luke that all

553
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: this wouldn't be happening if he hadn't cheated on me

554
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: these many years. Notice we're now talking in this has

555
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: happened instead of if if he hadn't been, if he

556
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: hadn't been, all but raising a second family with this

557
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 1: surrogate sister behind my back. Now, Luke's son wants to

558
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: f our daughter his actual sister, because as far as

559
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: he knows, she's just his childhood friend and it's all

560
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: Luke and Amy's fault for what they've done.

561
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 4: The fact that op is so certain means that she

562
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 4: has to Yes, she has to.

563
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: Bring it up. Op full believes in her. We can

564
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: see right through the writing. Oh people, he believes this.

565
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

566
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: If I speak up everything it's blown to hell. On

567
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: the off chance that I'm wrong, I'm a horrible monster

568
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: whoq accused the love of my life and one of

569
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: my closest friends of doing something horrible. If I'm right,

570
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: it's still it still tears our entire structure apart. The

571
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: family and social unit we've become over the last several

572
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: years is gone, and everyone will be stressed and upset

573
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: even if Luke and I don't divorce super quick. Conspiracy

574
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: theory par uh. The parents aka like the grandparents of

575
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: the kids. They know that's why they're paying for Amy

576
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: and the kids.

577
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: I'm sure they do like I said earlier, hush money.

578
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I do nothing, Sophie's eventually going to sleep

579
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: with Tom and be his girlfriend. And I'm low key

580
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: terrified it will happen sooner than later, or worse that

581
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: it's already happened. Under my nose, that probably doesn't smell good.

582
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: I hope to hell this relationship fades as they mature,

583
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: But what if it doesn't. What if they wind up

584
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: being together for years? What if they marry and want

585
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: to get pregnant someday? What if they get accident? And

586
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: if I tell Sophie the truth about Amy's kids then

587
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: everyone else finds out too, That's going to ruin so

588
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: many lives. It would shatter my kid's perception of their

589
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: father and their aunt. Amy Luke is Owen's hero. I

590
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: don't even want to think about how much this would

591
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: hurt him. And what about Amy's children. They are innocent,

592
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: they didn't ask for this, They don't control where they

593
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: come from, and I don't want to hurt them. Admittedly,

594
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm not happy with Tom at this. Admittedly I'm not

595
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: happy with Tom at the moment a week ago I

596
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 1: saw him put his hand on Sophie's butt, and I

597
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: wanted to knock his teeth out. What but even he

598
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: doesn't deserve to be burdened by the knowledge that it's

599
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: his half sister. He's been fantasizing him. It's also effed up,

600
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know what to do. I've been looking

601
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: the other way and letting my husband and his best

602
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: friend insult me for such a long time now that

603
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: I could live with it. But this business with Tom

604
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: and Sophie has me distressed. But you can join us

605
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: every but you can join us live every day a

606
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: three pm PST to listen to stories like this. Yeah, Lauren,

607
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: let's talk.

608
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 3: Let's talk.

609
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: That's the end of the story. That is, unfortunately literally

610
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: all we have here. What do we do? We do?

611
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: Op needs to like make her own passing and like

612
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: flee the country, just let it all play out without her.

613
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Okay, So, actually, real question off of that, does Opie

614
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: have the right if she wants to like this is

615
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: so crazy? You all did this, You're putting this on me?

616
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: Is it legitimately okay for op to just straight up

617
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: walk away at this? I think, or maybe maybe like

618
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: divorce but say nothing.

619
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 3: No, She's she definitely needs to say something. Yeah, like

620
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: literally for the health and safety of those children, because like,

621
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: if she's right, then she needs to call CPS. I

622
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: feel personally like that's because because if if OP is right,

623
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: then that implies that both Luke and Amy know and

624
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: are still letting this happen, Yes, which is grounds for

625
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: calling CPS.

626
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: I feel like, dude, I mean, like just.

627
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: Wavele voices. Apparently there's an update. I'm gonna look that.

628
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: Oh god, we are going to find out now.

629
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: I'm burdened with forbidden knowledge.

630
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: Uh uh. Justina Reed just says Op is a coward.

631
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I mean it's like this is an

632
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 3: extremely you know, like impossible situation. Yeah.

633
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: This is to.

634
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 3: The commenter's point though, OP is like she wants to

635
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: control the outcome. I feel like and it's like, you know,

636
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: she she needs to be a little bit more realistic

637
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: that like regardless of what happens, like she's she's gonna

638
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 3: have to be the bad.

639
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna you're gonna have to say it, and like

640
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: it does suck because like OP is not the one

641
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: that did something wrong here. Yeah, but ultimately it is

642
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: now on OP because I mean I think here's what

643
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: I think OP should do you go to Tom and

644
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: Amy or sorry, uh, husband and Amy, Yes, and say

645
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: you need to tell everyone or I will.

646
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: That's a great idea, then, OP.

647
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: Is not the bad. Opis like I have put up

648
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: with this, you have had, had all these children, done

649
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: all the stuff. If you don't tell them, then I'm

650
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, guys, here's all the evidence. Definitely, I

651
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: don't think that this is why we should. We should

652
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: let them say that to everyone in the whole updates

653
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: so many as Oh my gosh, how they're a bit long? Yeah,

654
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: could we read the final one?

655
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: But the second one has.

656
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: Do you want to take turns reading the updates or something?

657
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 1: No, that's all good. I just want to make sure

658
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: that we have him for everything else.

659
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: Afraid I mean an adults here.

660
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's cruise it, ladies and gentlemen. Let's

661
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: let's go into hyperdrive where it's the same you update,

662
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: update updates. I'd previously said that I was going to

663
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: do a secret DNA test, and I decided, uh that

664
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: on the course of the action. In the end, I

665
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: couldn't go through with it, and I'm now regretting that. Wait,

666
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: is that the second update or.

667
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: I think no, this is the first.

668
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: That's that's I was in the right spot. Yeah, because

669
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: I was like, she didn't update. Yeah, I know, that's

670
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: that's the first. Okay, that's yeah. Okay, I think that's it. Yeah, okay,

671
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to.

672
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think maybe in the comments she said that

673
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: she was going to do a DNA test or something.

674
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Gotcha, Okay, okay, cool, cool, cool, that's.

675
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: The first update that I can forget.

676
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: I gotta cut it all right, okay ooh, going back

677
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: to the update, We're going to find and read it. Hooray.

678
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: Who here wants an update?

679
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: Oh?

680
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: Here we go. Okay. I previously said that I wasn't

681
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: that I was going to do a secret DNA test,

682
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: that I decided that on the course of action, uh,

683
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: that I had decided on that course of action. In

684
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: the end, I couldn't go through with it, And now

685
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm regretting that because the window to do so has

686
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: essentially closed.

687
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 3: Oh god.

688
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: I just felt like that would be out of line

689
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: for me to do to another person's child behind their back. Ethically,

690
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: it was dicey. You know, it's ethically dicey bothering four

691
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: children with someone else's husband. I have since consulted with

692
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: my lawyer. As many complishers suggested, she advised me. She

693
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: advised me not doing so because no matter what the

694
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: results are, it would make me look bad in a

695
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: potential divorce proceeding. But I really wish I had done

696
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: it anyways and just not told anyone because a really

697
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: bad need to know, and I still don't know for sure. Likewise,

698
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to tell Sophie in confidence, but the more

699
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: I thought about it, even that seemed over to line.

700
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: Tell your husband and Amy and make them the bad

701
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: guys because they're the ones who've committed crime.

702
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: But also have the lawyer present for that talk.

703
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: That is also a great point. Yeah, great, great point.

704
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: Like I had no right to plant such ideas in

705
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: her mind without her father even talking to him first.

706
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: So what I ended up doing was confronting Luke and Amy.

707
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: Period.

708
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: Yes, that is exact say what you should do. Many

709
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: comments suggesting this as well. I finally told both of

710
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: them that I needed to have a serious talk. It

711
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: felt counterproductive to just approach one of them because I

712
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: figured they would tell the other about what happened in

713
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: their own words before I could prepare my own. I

714
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: wanted them both to hear what I had to say.

715
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: Once all the kids were at school, I laid out

716
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: all of my suspicions and reasons. I made it clear

717
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: how much I loved both of them, but a combination

718
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: of clues had led me to notice the similarities between

719
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: Luke and Amy's children. And I didn't even list all events. Uh,

720
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: and I didn't even list all of the ones in

721
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: the original post. For example, Luke has been a sleepwalker

722
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 1: in the past, still have Sophia, Tom, and Adam, who

723
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: is like allegedly not his children. Yeah, I said over

724
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: and over how much they meant to me, and how

725
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to believe it, but the thought I

726
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: crept into my mind in the past. How I had

727
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: dismissed it before, But now, with Tom and Sophie having

728
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: crushes on each other, it became necessary to pose the question.

729
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: So I asked if they had ever crossed the line,

730
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: if Luke had ever been unfaithful, if there was even

731
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: the slightest possibility that any of Amy's children were his.

732
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: I was trying not to cry. Well, they reacted as

733
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: I would have expected. Their responses were perfect and so

734
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: very well rehearsed. Did they rehearsed or truthlorn? No.

735
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: I think they foresaw this happening, especially since you know,

736
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 3: Sophie and Tom started getting closer. That's probably when they first.

737
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: They got the game.

738
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: We did this plan.

739
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: I can genuinely tell it was an uh. I genuinely

740
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: can't tell if it was honest emotion or powerful gaslighting.

741
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: Amy was more upset than Luke, or at least more

742
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: outwardly upset. She was angry, offended at the accusation. Luke

743
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: just seemed heartbroken by it. Maybe they were just acting,

744
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: but I don't know. Somehow they had reasonable responses to

745
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: all of the points I brought up. They asked questions

746
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to answer. I had never objected

747
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: to them having alone time before. Why did it bother me? Now?

748
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: Just say, do a DNA test if you're so yeah,

749
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 1: literally just say that, Okay, great, great, I'm so glad

750
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: to hear that. You can prove it to me with

751
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: your confidence to the DNAT.

752
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: Here's a swab just three times on the inside of

753
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 3: your cheek.

754
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: You know there it is Amy. Do Amy's children really

755
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: resemble Luke that much? Or things like hair color and

756
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: pretty basic traits, uh, to have it? Or are things

757
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: like care color pretty basic traits to have to begin with,

758
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: the family had always treated Amy and her kids as

759
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: part of our unit, and I had previously commented a

760
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: commended Luke for stepping up and being a father to

761
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Amy's kids since they didn't have one. Why was I

762
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: now saying it was a bad thing? What exactly did

763
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: I want them to do? How could I think such

764
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: a thing of them? Why had I waited so long

765
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: to say something? Yeah, that sounds very rehearsed.

766
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah to me, you know what she should have done,

767
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: kept this to herself. But you know, for Christmas or

768
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: something bought everyone, you know, like a twenty three and

769
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 3: meters or like ancestry dot com kit, And you know

770
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: I would have I would have loved to have been

771
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 3: like a fly on the mall for that and just

772
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: see like Luke and Amy just panicking quietly. Buy it

773
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: for all the kids, yes, exactly, Buy it for all

774
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: the kids, exactly, and you'll get for all the kids.

775
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: Merry Christmas.

776
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: What's up?

777
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Also, we're at another thirty minutes.

778
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: No, thanks all you guys for donating. We're gonna read

779
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: them as soon as we get to the end of

780
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: the story, it is a beefy one, so I don't

781
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: make sure we have time for other stuff. We promise,

782
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: we promise you're respecting my feelings or at least acted

783
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: like he did. Amy appeared to feel more betrayed by

784
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: what I said. I ended up apologizing several times, even

785
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 1: though I'm not sure I did anything wrong. Luke also

786
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: apologized for anything he'd done to indicate that he was

787
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: in faithful. I asked Amy more pointedly to that if Luke, uh,

788
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: if not Luke who had fathered her children. She snapped back,

789
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: that was none of my business. I mean when you're

790
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: in law's sponsor. I mean, when you're in law, is

791
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: like pay for everything you get? I don't know. I

792
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: feel like that's a reasonable question.

793
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: Though Luke is definitely responding in a way that says

794
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: I'm very sorry you felt that.

795
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: Way, right, you know what? I mean that same and

796
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: I could tell that she was in no mood to

797
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: get personal or vulnerable with me after my accusations. I'm

798
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: not proud to say that I love my temper and

799
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: said that after everything we had done for her and

800
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: her children, such information was not a lot to ask,

801
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: and perhaps she owed it to us literally facts. I

802
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: regretted the words as soon as I said them, but

803
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 1: Amy shouted back that I had never done anything for her,

804
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: that it was Luke and his parents who had kept

805
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: her aflow all these years, not me. She went on

806
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 1: a longer ti rate about how I had always acted

807
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: superior to her, which I didn't believe I did, though

808
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: it's possible that I gave off that vibe unintentionally. Luke

809
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: did his best to calm her down, but the room

810
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: was still fraught with tension. You know what this says

811
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: to me? M M, I'm mad that you got to

812
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: meet the wife.

813
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 3: Probably that makes sense, honestly, I.

814
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: Mean, yeah, come on now, I don't know read it.

815
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: I just don't know. It's driving me to the edge

816
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: of madness. There is a way to be certain, of course,

817
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: not certain of my husband's fidelity, but the paternity of

818
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: Amy's children.

819
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: So you easy, you ePIE will boy, yep okay.

820
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: So I asked Luke for my own peace of mind,

821
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: for the sake of our daughter and our family union,

822
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: if he could please get a DNA test done, a

823
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: paternity test. I went on to say that I knew

824
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: he disliked and distrusted so things, but I really needed this.

825
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: I could see the pain in Luke's eyes. Maybe it

826
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: was an act, and he genuinely and he seemed genuinely

827
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: hurt that I was asking for this. That was him

828
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: giving his word that he had always been faithful. Was

829
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: not enough for me. But he was very reluctant. But

830
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: he very reluctantly agreed to participate in a DNA test. Unfortunately,

831
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: Amy did not, and that's where we hit a roadblock.

832
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: I was afraid of this, but Amy was infuriated at

833
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: the whole concept and told me in no uncertain terms

834
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: that I would not be getting samples of her children's

835
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: DNA and basically told me to f off for asking.

836
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: So what do you if you're so confident, what do

837
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: you have to hide? I'm sorry there.

838
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 3: But I mean I feel like OP has bungled this entirely.

839
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeh Op has bungled this entirely. Yeah, and like yeah,

840
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, if you're if you know what you're

841
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: you're you're right, and you deserve to be mad at me.

842
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: Prove me wrong, prove me wrong.

843
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 3: But I feel like it would have been so much

844
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: of a better slash easier idea to just gift all

845
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: the kids twenty three and me and just let them

846
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: guide them to the answer. Yeah, a good parent, Yeah,

847
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: give them guidance.

848
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: There are like with any potential thing I think you

849
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: could do here, there there's always a a a a

850
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: potential backfiring that could happen or something.

851
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 3: Wait, but here's the thing though, Luke and Amy don't

852
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 3: know that OP knows up up until now.

853
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

854
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 3: So so she could have been like very she could

855
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: have easily feigned innocence, you know of like you know, oh,

856
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: I just bought everyone uh kits just because I thought

857
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: it'd be a fun thing to do. And it's like,

858
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 3: why are you mad at me for y'all getting exposed

859
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 3: for cheating on me? You know that something? That's another thing.

860
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: DNA test or tell test or tell Yeah, test or tell,

861
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm you might win me over. I'm curious to see

862
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: what the votes are and what you guys' arguments are

863
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: in the chat, but I'm gonna keep going here. Yeah.

864
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: So I pressed Luke, and honestly he was a bit

865
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: useless but probably right. He tried to convince Amy, but

866
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: you wouldn't hear any of it, and he kind of

867
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: shrugged to me when I pushed him for further support. Yeah,

868
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: it's like, why are you not defending me? I'm your wife. Yeah,

869
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: because he can't force her to get the test done

870
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: if she refuses, that's really a dead end. Trust me.

871
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: I looked into this quite a bit and consulted with

872
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 1: my lawyer. The problem is Luke could, in theory, petition

873
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: the court to demand a paternity test for Tom and

874
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: the others. The issue is that to do this, he'd

875
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: be essentially he'd essentially be claiming that he slept with

876
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: Amy and he believes her children to be his. Or

877
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: he could be doing it like, hey, I didn't do this,

878
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: so I could unprove it. But of course he's not

879
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: gonna do that. Yeah.

880
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, I don't really get the reasoning

881
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: behind that. I think that's Luke just beating Opie bull

882
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: crap one.

883
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, that would be uh, that would be the

884
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: version of events he'd be maintaining. But Luke has staunchily

885
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: insisted that nothing ever happened with Amy, that he never

886
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: cheated on me. Whether or not he's being honest about

887
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: this or about this other story, but he'd essentially have

888
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: to go on record and make a claim that he

889
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: isn't prepared to make. He is quite certain that children

890
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: aren't his, and he has no intention of fighting for

891
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: custody of them. So no judge is going to compel

892
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: Amy to submit samples of her children's DNA. Oh that's fair,

893
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: But honestly, what if you tell them everything is going on?

894
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: Maybe that's that's honestly complete hearsay, relying on the fact that,

895
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: as far as we know, Op doesn't really have any evidence.

896
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: Just you know, he said, she said, I mean, which

897
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 3: is not admissible in court.

898
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm like, use every every bit of

899
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: AMO you got.

900
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what AMMO does?

901
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: She got that they're trying to get in a relationship,

902
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: and might.

903
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 3: Tom and Sophie that something might happen, but for all,

904
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: for all, anyone knows, they're just childhood friends.

905
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: It's true, But yeah, I don't know. I'm in a

906
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: loss of what's at this point. Tom is also old

907
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: enough that his consent could be a factor. If both

908
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: he and Amy refuse to participate in the test, It's

909
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: unlikely that Luke would have a case. He'd have to

910
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: target one of Amy's younger children like say that, like

911
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: say the Twins. Doesn't want to do that. He doesn't

912
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 1: want to take his best friend to court to prove

913
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: something like that. In his own words, he already knows

914
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: it isn't true. Luke is asking me to please just

915
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: let this go and trust him, because pursuing this will

916
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: fracture everything. Of course he would say that, and according

917
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: to my lawyer, it's not realistic anyways. For Luke to

918
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: establish paternity, he would need to admit to an affair

919
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: in the first place, and he's not doing that. And

920
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: if he did, that would pretty much be all the

921
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: proof I needed to be certain, even if I need

922
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: more in a court case. I pestered him further about

923
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: Tom and Sophie insisted that I didn't want them dating.

924
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: Luke agreed, and apparently Amy still agrees. Luke plans to

925
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: have a talk with Tom and and activate protective Papa

926
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Bear mode, among other things. He's going to remind Tom

927
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: that in a couple of months when he turns a team,

928
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: him being intimate with Sophie will literally be a crime.

929
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: Will I don't know it would be?

930
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 3: Yeah? Would statutory?

931
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: Is it statutory? With that age gap of yesens absolutely

932
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: in all fifty states.

933
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 3: Well, the age of consent varies from state to state.

934
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: But isn't there's a there's a rule for uh.

935
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: But if like if the sickly statutory is if one

936
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: is of the age of consent and the other is not,

937
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: it is statutory.

938
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: They literally can't legally consent.

939
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: It's statutory.

940
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: Great.

941
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't actually press charges against him as

942
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: I as I know he'd never do anything against Sophie's will,

943
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 1: but I am not above implying the threat. Thankfully, Luke

944
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: isn't either. I did ask him if he'd be open

945
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: to potentially swiping a sample of Tom's DNA to privately

946
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: do a test, but he was very hesitant about the idea.

947
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: Like me, he viewed it as an ethical He also

948
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: pointed out if we were to do this and Amy

949
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: found out, it would mean the end of our friendship

950
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: with her, most likely who cares.

951
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, at this point, I mean, their their friendship is

952
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 3: on extremely thin ized.

953
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: They they they lied to you and had four children,

954
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: and it's just so beyond what friend would ever do that, truly,

955
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: what real friend would ever do that. They they like

956
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: you not exposing them, That's what they like not your friendship.

957
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 3: I like you because you let me sleep with your husbands.

958
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, things are sharing, sharing, scaring, things are Luke believes,

959
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: still in a stalvageable state. No, they're not Amy where

960
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: Amy and I could reconcile and become friends again. And

961
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: I see how much he wants this to happen. But

962
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: if I did a DNA test on Tom behind Amy's

963
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: back and she found out, I think she would hit

964
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: the roof and I wouldn't entirely blame her do it,

965
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: though I'd be interested, very interested to see the results.

966
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: Luke ended up going to see Amy and spending the night.

967
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: I know all of you are cringing and throwing up

968
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: your hands, and trust me, I wasn't happy about it.

969
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: That was a very long conversation, but he was adamant

970
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: that he needed to perform damage control. That they spent

971
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: the night together totally did what with Luke maintaining that

972
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: nothing happened. I did not sleep a wink and I

973
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: kept texting him for updates. So far, so far as

974
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: I can tell, Amy will cool off, but she needs

975
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: a little time.

976
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 3: Luke's delusional.

977
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: The solve for this is him and Amy spend a

978
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: night alone together.

979
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they can. So they can, you know, swap

980
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 3: notes and try to figure out a way out of this.

981
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: Dude, you know you're swapping something.

982
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

983
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: Luke and I had talked things over and when he

984
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: came When he came back the next morning, it was

985
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: an emotionally fulfilling conversation and we ended agreeing to take

986
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 1: the kids, our kids, not Amy's, to visit their grandparents

987
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: for a few days. It was a very impromptu visit,

988
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: but we've done it before and they were delighted to

989
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: have us. I really wanted our family to spend more

990
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: time together away from Amy's side of the family, so

991
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: to speak. I always love getting to see my in laws.

992
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: All refer to them as Jim seventy five male and

993
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: Cat sixty seven female. I know read as famous for

994
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 1: stories about the mother in law fam hell, but in

995
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: my life that couldn't be further from the truth. I

996
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: feel safe with them, to the point that when they

997
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: took notice of how Luke and I were from each other,

998
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: I finally relented and confessed my fears.

999
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 3: She should have done that in the first place if

1000
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: she had such a good relationship with them.

1001
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: Totally, I told them of my anxiety that Luke and

1002
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: Amy were having an affair and that Amy's children might

1003
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: be his. Here's where things got a little bit interesting.

1004
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: Oh God, when I told them what I was feeling,

1005
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: Kat just gave Jim this pointed look and did a

1006
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: big dramatic sigh.

1007
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: Here we go.

1008
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: So, as it turns out, Kat had similar misgivings to mine,

1009
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: and genuinely suspected that over the years that Luke and

1010
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: Amy were closer than they'd ever admit and that and

1011
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: that they had crossed the line in the past. Do

1012
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: you believe that the grandparents really didn't know?

1013
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: I think maybe what it was was the mother in

1014
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: law was sort of in a similar sort of mindset

1015
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 3: as op, you know, just kind of like, you know,

1016
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 3: like this seems odd, but should I say anything? Yeah,

1017
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 3: and then also keeping it from you know, father in law. Yeah,

1018
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 3: you know, mother in law keeping it from father in

1019
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: law and just sort of going along with it, you

1020
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: know what I mean.

1021
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: I could see it possibly being that she did know,

1022
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: and she's like trying to puff her up for that.

1023
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, because I mean it's like, you know, that's

1024
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: her son, those are potentially her grandchildren, so you know,

1025
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, what do you do?

1026
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: Yep.

1027
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1028
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: Jim, on the other hand, simply refuses to consider the idea.

1029
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: He has always insisted that Kat is seeing things that

1030
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: aren't there.

1031
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.

1032
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 3: I was right. You're welcome everyone.

1033
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: He maintains that Luke and Amy are like siblings and

1034
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: would never Hey, we know another pair of possible siblings.

1035
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 3: That are who probably already have.

1036
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: Pat thinks his stance on this is naive, and that

1037
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: even if she and Jim had taken Amy in and

1038
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: loved her like a daughter, that didn't mean Luke viewed

1039
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: her as a sister or that she viewed him as

1040
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: a brother. Yeah, but Jim just continued to insist that

1041
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: this is what they are and always have. I could

1042
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: tell that he had. Kato had already had this conversation before,

1043
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: and they kept going in circles, with Kat getting exasperated.

1044
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: She pointed out that surrogate siblings are not Luke and

1045
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: Amy were not actually brother and sister, so nothing was

1046
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: stopping them from being physical together if they felt to

1047
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: mutual attraction. At that point, Jim just sighed and walked

1048
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: away from the conversation. So yes, Kat had privately wondered

1049
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,879
Speaker 1: if Amy's children weren't fathered by Luke, which is part

1050
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: of why she's always treated them as her grandchildren yep,

1051
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: which was never something that I minded. To be clear,

1052
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: I also don't mind that Kat never voice these concerns

1053
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: to me. She had no proof, and she saw far

1054
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: less of Luke and Amy's closeness in our adult lives

1055
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: than I did. As for the kids, they're doing all right.

1056
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what Amy told her children, but I

1057
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: think the genuine, the general consensus of the official version

1058
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: of events is that Amy and I had a fight

1059
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: and need a break from each other. That's what Luke

1060
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: and I told our children, and when pressed for more information,

1061
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 1: Luke did defend me and shut down the questions, saying

1062
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't their business. I don't know if Amy kept

1063
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: that version of events, but my children and her children

1064
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: have each other's phone numbers and in social media, so

1065
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: they've presumably still been in contact over the last two days.

1066
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: I wonder if all the kids already I don't know,

1067
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 1: maybe except for honestly, Sophie and Tom.

1068
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 3: I don't know, especially the younger kids. It's like, how

1069
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: could they know? They're still really young? And I mean

1070
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 3: it would be borderline weird to tell them one hundred.

1071
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: I think my kids would have kept Amy's kids in

1072
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: the loop on the updates, and if Amy had told

1073
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: them anything else significant, they would have relayed that information

1074
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: to my kids. After all, we know Sophie and Tom

1075
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: very closely. I did try and talk with Sophie about

1076
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: that more, but the timing is off because Sophie rejected

1077
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: my counsel and interpreted my reinforced reluctance as being contributed

1078
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,280
Speaker 1: to my as being attributed to my fight with Amy.

1079
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: She maintained that she wasn't dating Tom. To what degree

1080
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: that's actually true, I don't know, but she was going

1081
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 1: to remain close friends with him, and while she isn't

1082
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: usually a discipeditian child, she's made it very clear that

1083
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: she's putting her foot down on this one. And to

1084
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: be fair, I can't really justify trying to separate them

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00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: or forbid them from being friends. They've known each other

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00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: for all of these years, and Luke has my back

1087
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: and on them not being allowed to date, but he

1088
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't have my back on them not hanging out anymore.

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00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: I wish I could have a definite update a definitive update.

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00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: If anything significant happens in the next few days, I

1091
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: can let you guys know. I'm just kicking myself for

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00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: not having done the secret test, even though for my

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00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: own peace of mind, as I feel like I'm locked

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00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: out of the only way to get definitive proof of

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00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: the other. Yes, I think we're going to conclude this

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00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: story for now here. What do we think before we

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00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: get into the next story?

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Speaker 3: I think, my I think I've seen enough.

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00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: I think I have as well. Yeah, I think, I mean, so,

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00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: so what does Opie do? Like OPI's already confronted, Opie's

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00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: told the inless so at least to give Opie credit,

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00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: she now has finally kind of done the things that

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: we've or said, like, you know, at least do something

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00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: to someone.

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00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 3: Yes, but she really has put herself at a disadvantage

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00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 3: for taking so long, especially considering now that like some

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00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: or most of the kids are either like in their

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00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: puberty or like post puberty. You know what I mean?

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00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: Yes? Oh one, Uh, what have we got? Riley?

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Speaker 3: I can do you want me to?

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00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: Okay, we will, we will read this. We're gonna We're

1112
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna skim through all all closes out because the pushing

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00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 1: readers for the Okay, okay, the post and everything do do.

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00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: Fast forward? Fast forward?

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00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 1: Ah, So onto the update.

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00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go, going brave soldier, on to the update.

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Speaker 1: In the middle of escalating titches with our daughter Sophie's

1118
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: potential relationship with Tom some of her husband, the son

1119
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: of her husband, Luke's lifelong best friend, Amy, and I

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00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: made a distressing discovery after accessing After accessing Luke's phone

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00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: while he was asleep, I stumbled upon recently deleted messages

1122
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: in a topless photo of Amy, confirming my long held

1123
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: suspicions of their their affair. This revelation was compounded by

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00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: finding more explicit content, including intimate photos and videos, on

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00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: Luke's laptop. The digital evidence planted a clear picture of

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Speaker 1: a relationship that was both deeply intimate and spanned years,

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00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: contradicting their portrayal of platonic friends. I want to confront

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01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: them with this so bad. I want to sit them

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01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: down and PowerPoint presentation. Explain, Explain, Explain, and like.

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Speaker 3: Title it, you know, like people I would cheat on

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01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 3: my husband with, But then it's just exposing him cheating

1132
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 3: on herd That'd be.

1133
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: Great feeling betrayed and devastated, I took immediate action. I

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: contacted my lawyer in the middle of the night to

1135
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: discuss the next steps and secure the damning evidence. My

1136
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: lawyer Page advised on the potential legal implications of my actions,

1137
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: but agreed to help secure and document the evidence. In

1138
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: a whirlwind of emotion, emotional pain, and resolution, I packaged

1139
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: Luke's belongings and confronted him with the vorce papers first

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01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: thing in the morning. We are overnight turnaround. I packed

1141
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: Luke's belongings and confronted him. Despite his attempts to deny

1142
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: the affair and plead for reconciliation, I stood firm, fueled

1143
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: by the undeniable proof of his betrayal. The aftermath was

1144
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: chaotic and painful. I struggled to maintain composure while explaining

1145
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: the situation to our children without tarnishing their father's image excessively.

1146
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: The community and family responses were mixed, with some disbelief

1147
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: and others supportive, especially my mother in law, who noticed

1148
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: the inconsistencies in Luke's story. Amy Meanwhile, Amy meanwhile, maintained

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01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: a facade of normalcy to our family and our mutual

1150
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: connections attributing my actions to an emotional breakdown, which only

1151
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: added to my isolation. As I navigated the fallout, ensuring

1152
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: the security of our home, and managing the emotional turmoil

1153
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: within my family, I reflected on the entire ordeal. The

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01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: relationship I had believed I had believed in in there,

1155
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: my entire life I thought we had built together were

1156
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: based on deception. My immediate focus was protecting my children

1157
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: and rebuilding a sense of stability and honesty in our lives.

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01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: The path forward was uncertain, but the clarity about the

1159
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: past provided a painful yet necessary foundation. We're moving on

1160
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: and nus. Wow, wow, I think that's it. I like

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01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: one more so. Opie's finally divorcing, finally leaving, finally as

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01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:14,919
Speaker 1: the evidence. I think that's it. Finally, that's it. Ladies

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01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. That is not in for the stream. We've

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01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: only read one story this entire stream so far.

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01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: We're welcome.

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01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: The time is now to read the second story. Some

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01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: donos here, oh, some donos here. Here's the thing, and

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01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: I'll read some. Andrea, thanks for becoming a new member

1169
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: of the Nights Benolia, Benolia with ten more gifted memberships.

1170
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: Let's freaking go. KK Hunter Mini writer Jasmine Malone. Thanks

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01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: for becoming members. We appreciate you. Josephe Mandela berg Quest

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the two sixty she has to talk to him?

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Speaker 1: What if she gets pregnant that part Mela sixty eight fifteen.

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01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 1: We need more time for the story. Mela. You said it,

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01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: then you meant it. Fifty three dollars donation and you

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01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 1: got it, and you got it. Here you go, There

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: you go. Patricia Sandland, Thanks for the ten bucks and

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01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: the heart emoji. We heart you back. Karen, Thanks for

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01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: the fifty bucks. Thank you for accompanying me on my

1180
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: long commutes cross country to and from work. Karen, You're welcome.

1181
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: We got you. Christy Luis celebrating six months of membership.

1182
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: Let's freaking go breaking my landmarks. I commented on my

1183
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: last members only stream how I get background mode to

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01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: play on the members only with the phone locked only

1185
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 1: iPhone and YouTube Premium though, yes, for the confusion for everyone,

1186
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 1: you have to have YouTube Premium, which is like basically

1187
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: the subscription that goes directly to YouTube in order to

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01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: play it in the background. Unfortunately, they basically double charge you,

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01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: so that kind of sucks. Sorry about that to anyone

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01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: who has a membership. You need YouTube bread and our membership. Sorry,

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01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: Karma Jay. Thanks for the two bucks X mens x

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01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: meus though, Tom and Sophie are awfully cozy now yep,

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01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: and then could you scroll up a little bit for me,

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Speaker 1: big dog just Fia Madela bark West thanks for the

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01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: six twenty six. Luke said yes to the test knowing

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01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: Amy would say no in order to try to make

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01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: OPI think that he's willing to tell the truth because

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01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: he's willing to do the test.

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Speaker 3: That's genius.

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01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: Josephine fricking cracked the case.

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01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: Bordy Chess over here.

1202
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: Bordy Chess. Also from Josephine, Babe, I'm gonna do damage.

1203
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: Cancrol cream Pie edition.

1204
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 3: Hey yo, Josephine, all ready for dessert?

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01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh god? But Christy Lou thanks for the ten bucks.

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01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: Uh miss the lives. I'm in my final semester of

1207
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: nursing school. Yeah, congrat gokay. So life is busy. Thankful

1208
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: to ketch up on the streams when I get brief downtime.

1209
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: Y'all help me stay sane, keep being awesome. Christy Lou,

1210
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: you do the same, You rock Maybe Godzella Baby Joe

1211
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,919
Speaker 1: celebrating six months of membership lower Hearts of the shot me.

1212
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm Christy Lou. Thanks for the gifted membership. Thank you

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01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: kel huh uh Stella Davis, thanks for celebrating five minutes

1214
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: of membership. I'm lurking well at the store, but y'all

1215
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: have seen a stream memes lately. Also shout out to

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01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: MJ grow high, lovey and then retired whoa the fifty

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01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: dollar gifted. I don't know membership gracious, Oh so many

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01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: love your show, new member guys retired as a new

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01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: member whoa and literally doing the most for the stream

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Speaker 1: while perhaps retired. Can we get w's in the chat

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01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: for retired.

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01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 5: W's in the chat? Also, I looked for an update.

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01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 5: There's not an update, guys. I don't know what you're

1224
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 5: talking about.

1225
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: Auchi, but it's not real.

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01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: You're crazy.

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01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all in your head. Do you want me,

1228
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 5: I'll just put the link in the bar in the chat. Yeah,

1229
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 5: that's great in the chat and then you guys can

1230
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 5: look at it.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into this.

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01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 4: Next study the phoney.

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01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: Yay, yes, it should be up a little bit more.

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01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 3: Yay. Okay, my wife's guy friend looked too much like

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01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:28,480
Speaker 3: our kids.

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Speaker 2: They're a theme.

1237
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 3: I demanded a paternity test. Basically what the title says.

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01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 3: My wife has brown hair so dark it looks black,

1239
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 3: blue eyes, and a skin tone that is a couple

1240
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:49,959
Speaker 3: of shades darker than tan. I have black hair, dark

1241
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: brown eyes, and a skin tone a shade darker than

1242
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 3: my wife. We have three children, two boys male six,

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Speaker 3: and a little girl female three. None of them look

1244
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 3: like me or my wife. My boys have brown, reddish hair,

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01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 3: hazel eyes behind them. Behind these hazel eyes, my boy

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01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 3: my girl is a dark blonde with light brown eyes.

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01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 3: They're all on the lighter side when it comes to

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Speaker 3: the skin tone. By the way, this comes from cat

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01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 3: Spilled Spiced Tea reddit user cat spilled spice Tea on

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Speaker 3: the r slash okay storytime subreddit. So anyways, I didn't

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01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 3: think anything of it at first. Both me and my

1252
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: wife have some interesting heritage, but from the birth of

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01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 3: my sons, my family kept bringing it up to me.

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 3: They would point out the facial features all the time.

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01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 3: Where does that chin come from? I don't know his face.

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01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 3: Look at those cheekbones. That boy stands as straight as

1257
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 3: a ruler. Oh my goodness, who who has hair that straight?

1258
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 3: Occasions things like that, I shut them down or ignored

1259
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: it all. I never paid any mind to them other

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 3: than an old high school friend of my wife's was

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01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 3: in town. Oh then, an old high school friend of

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01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 3: my wife's was in town. He was only in town

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01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 3: for a couple of days. That's all you need, man,

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01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 3: So there wasn't really time. There wasn't really time for

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01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 3: my wife to meet him for lunch or anything because

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01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 3: we had a lot going on. So my wife invited

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Speaker 3: him to our girl's third birthday party. Oh goodness, No,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't. Happy birthday, little girl. Here's a brand new dad. Yay, God,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't. He wasn't. How do you feel about two

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Speaker 3: dads a little girl? He wasn't at our wedding. Excuse me.

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01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 3: He wasn't at our wedding. And I had never met

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01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 3: him before, even on previous visits. Probably reason why he

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01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 3: was always in and out. I bet he was. Sometimes

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01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 3: my wife could see him, sometimes she couldn't. Okay, then

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01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 3: there he was this tall white man with dark blonde hair,

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01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:33,440
Speaker 3: hazel colored eyes. He was everything I had ever dreamed of. Unfortunately,

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01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 3: he and my wife were obviously close. They hugged for

1278
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 3: a long time. Yay. The whole time he was there,

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01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 3: he was wherever my wife was and me and my

1280
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: family watched them. If she was putting more food out,

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01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 3: he was there helping. If she was collecting stray plates

1282
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 3: and cup and trash, he was there giving a hand.

1283
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:04,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure the wife was giving him a hand as well.

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 3: Oh god, the whole time he was there, they were

1285
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 3: laughing and talking. Ha ha ha ha. They even did

1286
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: the niner Nina at me. She introduced him to those

1287
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 3: who didn't know him, but it was obvious he wasn't

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01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 3: there to socialize. Okay, he just talked to her for

1289
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 3: the time he was there. A couple of hours later,

1290
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 3: it was time for him to go, my wife walked

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01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 3: him out. They had another long hug before he climbed

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01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 3: into his uber and left. Oh gosh, he has an uber.

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Speaker 3: That's gross. Why does he not have a real car.

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01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 3: My mother and sister were in my ear from the

1295
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 3: moment they laid eyes on him. I didn't need to

1296
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 3: hear their suspicions. I had plenty of my own rocking

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01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 3: around inside my head. I'll spare you all the gory

1298
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 3: details of my behavior in the weeks following my girl's birthday.

1299
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 3: I'll only say I wasn't a pleasure to be around

1300
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 3: or to have in the classroom. My wife doesn't like drama,

1301
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 3: doesn't like conflict, and yet she cheats on OPI interesting.

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01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: Would you look at back?

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01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 3: What is the truth?

1304
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: Where is it?

1305
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 3: Yep? She likes to talk things out. I'm sure she does.

1306
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean she'll back away from conflict and avoid

1307
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 3: drama at Oh, that doesn't mean she'll back away from

1308
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 3: conflict and avoid drama at any costs, only that she

1309
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,080
Speaker 3: prefers to work things out calmly. So in the middle

1310
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 3: of me picking an argument with her, when I finally

1311
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: outright accused her of cheating, accused her of passing those

1312
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 3: kids off his mind, and demanding a paternity test, I

1313
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 3: did not expect her to come back at me as

1314
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 3: hot as she did. She said she had been waiting

1315
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 3: for the day I would throw this at her. She

1316
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 3: had not been blind or deaf to all my family,

1317
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 3: to all my family had said and done over the years,

1318
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,640
Speaker 3: and I am allowing it. But she had hoped I

1319
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: had more trust in her than to listen to people

1320
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 3: that never approved of her, people who had nothing better

1321
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 3: to do with their lives than talk bs about everyone else.

1322
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but her saying these things pushed

1323
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 3: me over the edge. The argument grew and grew. I

1324
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 3: grabbed by the upper arms so hard I left bruises

1325
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 3: and shook her. Her hand came up and slapped me

1326
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 3: right across the face.

1327
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1328
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 3: The police were called. I don't think they need to

1329
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 3: be together.

1330
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: D hood, what is going on here?

1331
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 3: The police were called. I was made to leave the

1332
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 3: house and I went to my parents. A couple of

1333
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 3: days later, I lost my spot. I went home, but

1334
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 3: the locks had been changed and my wife wasn't answering

1335
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 3: the door or picking up her phone. The following week,

1336
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 3: she filed a petition for paternity for I'm assuming custody

1337
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 3: of all of my kids. Two weeks later, the day

1338
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 3: after I was given confirmation that they were my kids.

1339
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so petition for paternity, not custody for all

1340
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 3: the kids. The day after I was given confirmation that

1341
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 3: they were my kids, I received divorce papers. Really it's

1342
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 3: been months. I mean, you don't have to prove where

1343
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 3: the DNA came from.

1344
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, uh so so she he's basically, yeah, I

1345
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: have proof that there was that they are my children. Okay,

1346
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 1: so but it's a NA test.

1347
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she could have easily just swapped out the

1348
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 3: DNA samples from OPE with her real hubby. You know

1349
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:04,919
Speaker 3: what I mean. People do that all the time, basically

1350
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 3: faked the DNA testing.

1351
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm also wondering, like, is this like

1352
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 1: a yeah, I don't know. I would want to, like

1353
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: I wish she explained more of like what yeah, yeah,

1354
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: I digress.

1355
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 3: It's been months. I've tried calling her, I've reached out

1356
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 3: through Facebook, tried intermediaries. I've written letters. She's refused to

1357
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 3: She's refused to engage. I've been told by her sister,

1358
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 3: who has been blocked by my wife as she refuses

1359
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,440
Speaker 3: to talk to anyone about me and is cutting anyone

1360
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 3: who tries to bring me up. Oh, cutting out anyone

1361
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 3: who tries to bring me up. Doesn't care if they're

1362
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 3: family or friends. One word about me and she cuts

1363
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 3: them out, blocks them. Her parents are the go between

1364
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 3: these days, and only about the kids. They bring the

1365
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 3: kids to me whenever I ask for them. My wife

1366
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 3: won't allow me the house, not even to pick up

1367
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 3: or drop off the kids, Yet she doesn't try to

1368
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 3: stop me from seeing them. At least she does that.

1369
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 3: Her mom told me she doesn't know if my wife

1370
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 3: will ever forgive me. She is deeply hurt and absolutely

1371
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: refuses to speak about me. I try to give I

1372
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 3: try to give them money for my kids every time

1373
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 3: I see them, but they refuse it, saying my wife

1374
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 3: doesn't want my money. A mutual friend has told me

1375
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 3: he thinks I broke her. He and his wife help

1376
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 3: her with the kids sometimes, and he says the life

1377
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 3: has gone out, has gone right out of her eyes. Goodness.

1378
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 3: I have leased an apartment a couple of blocks away

1379
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 3: from my wife and children ex wife actually, and have

1380
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 3: gone very low contact with my own family. Not that

1381
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 3: I blame them for what I did, but it's hard

1382
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 3: to be around them right now. They continue to blame

1383
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 3: my wife all that's happened and take no accountability for

1384
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 3: any wrongdoing wrongdoings against her since my sons were born.

1385
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 3: My kids keep asking when I'm coming Homeme babes and

1386
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 3: why mom cries all the time stop. I don't know

1387
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 3: what to tell them. Yeah, I'm not looking for advice

1388
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 3: on how to save my marriage. It's too late for that.

1389
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 3: There is no getting around the fact I destroyed my family.

1390
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 3: I miss my kids, I miss my wife's sonic. I

1391
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 3: wish it's a meme.

1392
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 1: That's a meme, got it?

1393
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 3: I miss my wife's sonic. Oh yeah, I wish I

1394
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,799
Speaker 3: could take it all back, but I can't. I've lost

1395
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 3: her even so, maybe there are people here who can

1396
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 3: advise me on how to foster an amicable co parenting relationship.

1397
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 3: Maybe help me find a way that will get my

1398
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 3: wife to accept my financial financial support for her and

1399
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 3: the kids. I will pay the mortgage on the house

1400
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 3: so she doesn't have to worry about that. She works,

1401
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,520
Speaker 3: but she doesn't make enough to live comfortably. I'm prepared

1402
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 3: to be vilified. My only hope is that there is

1403
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,560
Speaker 3: some useful counsel and guidance that comes with the insults

1404
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 3: and disparagement.

1405
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: My goodness, Wow, and you could join us every weekday

1406
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 1: at three pm PSD who for stuff like this? Yeah,

1407
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: it seems like.

1408
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 3: Uh, I I'm still kind of suspicious of Op's ex

1409
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 3: wife a little.

1410
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1411
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:40,760
Speaker 1: I I wish we got more details on Like I

1412
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: saw someone in the comments saying, oh, well, there's court

1413
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: ordered tests there's like and then there's obviously like at

1414
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: home kits with that like way more easy to fakeer

1415
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 1: y yeah around like you think exactly, So I don't

1416
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 1: really know what We've also had so many cases where

1417
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: it's like one of those things of and Opie said

1418
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: it at the very beginning, it's like, hey, me and

1419
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: my wife have like know our our our heritage and stuff.

1420
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,440
Speaker 1: It's it seemed like Opie was hinting at that because

1421
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: of you know, probably like their diverse heritage and ancestry,

1422
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: their kids could have these different features that aren't showing

1423
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: up in.

1424
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 3: Themselves, dominant and recessive genes.

1425
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 1: We have seen so many stories on the show where

1426
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: that's happened. That's true, but also like with the like

1427
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: it got physical, that should never have happened.

1428
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:33,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's unacceptable.

1429
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: So like I think op stepping back and basically like Okay,

1430
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna you know, pay for her and the

1431
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: kids to be able to live comfortably. I'm gonna step

1432
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,679
Speaker 1: in the background. I'm ready to be vilified. I do think,

1433
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that was absolutely unequivocally wrong. It should never

1434
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: get physical ever, point blank period. So but yeah, I

1435
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 1: don't know, I I am I think I'm kind of

1436
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 1: with you and that I wish I had more details

1437
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,600
Speaker 1: of like what is the full explanation of what the

1438
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: test is, what.

1439
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 3: Dass what method did they use? But I did actually

1440
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 3: forget about the existence of dominant and recessive genes. Yes,

1441
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 3: so that could also very well be a viable thing.

1442
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: We've had a ton of stories where it's like, uh,

1443
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,679
Speaker 1: literally like white parents seemingly have like a mixed race kid,

1444
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: but they have like ancestries where where it just didn't

1445
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't prevalent.

1446
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 3: There are there are cases in which, you know, identical

1447
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 3: twins can be different races, but they still like their

1448
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,200
Speaker 3: features are the same, right, but one of them has

1449
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 3: more melanis.

1450
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: Oh identical twins really? Damn?

1451
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, but there are like there is there

1452
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 3: was a case like in Australia where these two twin

1453
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 3: girls they look exactly like each other, but one has

1454
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 3: you know, dark melanated skin and textured hair and the

1455
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 3: other one is completely white with Caucasian not textured hair.

1456
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 1: Well, you know, what's one thing I know for sure?

1457
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: What we got another story? Hey in that pH hoe Bro,

1458
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:13,839
Speaker 1: we got any donos flaming fire? Thanks for the five books,

1459
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: and then sorry, we can we can go back down

1460
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:20,360
Speaker 1: to de bottom. Okay, Flaming Fire. Thanks Maddie. Oh sorry

1461
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: you missed. An update of the first story. Found photos

1462
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: and videos of Amley topless for divorce, file for divorce.

1463
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: We did read that.

1464
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 3: Keep up Flaming Fire, John.

1465
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: Oh, she said that's twice. There we go. Come on

1466
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: bro alrighty, yes, thank you. Riley. My mind with a

1467
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: wall two thousand and six. Thanks for coming a member

1468
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 1: of the Knights. Billy Claire, thanks for gifting a membership.

1469
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: Let's go say thank you, Patricia, Patricia Sandland, Let's go Sanlan.

1470
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 1: Banana Jones Mom, this is all I can afford. But

1471
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 1: I love you guys, We love you back, and your

1472
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: presence is president enough.

1473
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 3: Thank you, Banana Jones, Mom, I owe you my life.

1474
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: Oh, Michael, Billy Claire, thanks for the six sixty seven

1475
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: donating for chat read the update. Please, we got you.

1476
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 1: Maddie Boulet, Thank you five bucks. Riley. Update two that

1477
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: talks about the affair being known for both kids. It's

1478
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: on their profile. It was skipped. Oh my word, look

1479
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: at that. And then finally, Billy Claire, I really can't

1480
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: afford this but we need the update. Thirteen thirty three,

1481
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,959
Speaker 1: we read as much as we possibly got.

1482
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 3: So sorry, Billy Claire.

1483
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: We almost with the entire stream on one story. On

1484
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: one single story.

1485
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 3: It would have been awesome for me because I could

1486
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 3: just sit here and do nothing.

1487
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 1: Oh but too bad, man, Oh shucks, ah, lower, lower

1488
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: it down. So it's like, yeah, not cover. Yeah, is

1489
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: this chat that is so much better?

1490
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 3: Apologize, let's go. I'm so sorry.

1491
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,920
Speaker 1: All good. My boyfriend's ex friends are impersonating him and

1492
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: targeting me, but apparently it's my fault. What I eighteen female,

1493
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,479
Speaker 1: have been in a relationship with my boyfriend, nineteen male

1494
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: for more than two years, and we are talking about marriage. WHOA.

1495
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: We have known each other since I was twelve, and

1496
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: it's looked down on, and it's looked down on for

1497
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 1: men and women to be close friends in our culture.

1498
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: I limit my conversations with men to things, to things

1499
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,240
Speaker 1: that have to do with work. My boyfriend had girlfriends

1500
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 1: when we met, and I thought that when we grew

1501
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 1: up he distanced himself from the girls, but they've gotten

1502
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: only closer. It didn't truly.

1503
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,040
Speaker 2: Matter because it keeps happening.

1504
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 1: He keeps happening it didn't truly matter because I know

1505
01:22:38,680 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: he loves me and that they'd never come between us.

1506
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: But three girls began to cross boundaries. One of them

1507
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,799
Speaker 1: is not important to the story. But Lily and Emma

1508
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: are fake names for privacy and this comes from anonymous

1509
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: five nine ten on our slash Okay story Times Shore

1510
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: about it. So, my boyfriend and I are on a

1511
01:22:56,120 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 1: long distance relationship right now. Put some icy use in

1512
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: the commons if you see something that's about to happen.

1513
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: Lily and Emma, h my boyfriend I had a longested

1514
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: relationship right now, and he spent more time on calls

1515
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 1: with Lily and Emma than he did with me. If

1516
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 1: their friendship was botonic on both sides, I'd push away

1517
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,879
Speaker 1: and ignore my bad feelings. But Lily and Emma flirted

1518
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 1: with him a lot. For more context, Lily is also

1519
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: known to be a home wrecker since she's caused problems

1520
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: in other relationships. Before she confessed her love to someone

1521
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: who's in a serious relationship and wanted to propose to

1522
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,160
Speaker 1: his girlfriend. She knew that, but wanted him to give

1523
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: her a chance and forget his girlfriend. Oh boy, it

1524
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 1: makes it worse that Lily told one of our mutual

1525
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,560
Speaker 1: friends that she used to like my boyfriend.

1526
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: Oh.

1527
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: Emma also said that she likes boys who are tall,

1528
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: have light skin, brown hair, and other things to describe.

1529
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 1: Guess who my boyfriend great find a different Right. With

1530
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: all that said, I hope you see why his friendship

1531
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: with these two girls made me not comfortable. I really

1532
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: tried to ignore how much all this upset me, but

1533
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: as Lily and Emma got closer with my boyfriend and

1534
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: kept flirting, it was hard for me to be okay

1535
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 1: with it. I eventually opened up to my boyfriend about

1536
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: how I felt and my discomfort with him being so

1537
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 1: close to girls who act in that way. I didn't

1538
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 1: mention their names and said everything in a broad way.

1539
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: I also told them that if he didn't want to

1540
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 1: distance himself from those types of friends, I understood, and

1541
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: we could go our separate ways.

1542
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 3: Period.

1543
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: Yes, there we go. Yes, Paul Paul exposed or not?

1544
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,640
Speaker 1: Should she expose them directly or not?

1545
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1546
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:44,560
Speaker 1: Let me know. I want to say what you have

1547
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: to say. Chat. But my boyfriend is carrying a nice

1548
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,360
Speaker 1: and I know how much his friends mean to him.

1549
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 1: I never asked him to not have girlfriends. All I

1550
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: wanted was boundaries.

1551
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 3: How much do they mean to him?

1552
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: How much My boyfriend reacted positively and was under standing

1553
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: about everything I said. He apologized for not noticing how

1554
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: I felt, and ended all contact with Lily and Emma,

1555
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,920
Speaker 1: which I only knew about two months after. I never

1556
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: asked if you distanced him from them because I trust

1557
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 1: him and didn't think I needed follow up. Oh, he's

1558
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 1: so trusting. Just have so much faith in the relationship,

1559
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, so strong, you know, hey, you know what,

1560
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: we're eighteen to nineteen. We're adults now. No, No, we're

1561
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 1: adults now, No, we can do this.

1562
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,839
Speaker 3: You're still teenagers. Sorry.

1563
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about where everything blew up. How Lily

1564
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: and Emma responded. First, I want to make it clear

1565
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: that I don't know these girls well. We barely interact

1566
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 1: and are almost strangers. The one time we were sitting

1567
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,719
Speaker 1: together at a party, I actually had a good time,

1568
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: and I thought they did too. But I guess I

1569
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 1: was wrong. For some reason, they see me as an enemy.

1570
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 1: Are they like mutually together and hating her? Are they

1571
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: both like, Hey, as long as you're with him, we

1572
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 1: hate you. But when one of them.

1573
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 3: Gets with him, Yeah, they're like velociraptors. They attack in pairs.

1574
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 1: Apparently for some reason, they see me. For some reason,

1575
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 1: they see me as an enemy. They talk smack about

1576
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: me to mutual friends and complain that I'm jealous, insecure,

1577
01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: and isolating my boyfriend away from his friends. Lily, the

1578
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 1: one who had pursued a taken man before, private message

1579
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 1: my boyfriend from a second account since he blocked her

1580
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: on her usual one. She told them I'm manipulative, toxic,

1581
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: and an ore, which honestly shocked me since I hadn't

1582
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: even had a first kiss. I'm waiting for marriage. In

1583
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: case anyone is confused.

1584
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,799
Speaker 3: Brother, she's showing too much ankle.

1585
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Lily also tried to guilt my boyfriend to the

1586
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: credit contact with no warning.

1587
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 5: Dude, or here for another good old arty pushes over

1588
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 5: the legs everybody, Dude.

1589
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 3: I see my name, go back up to my name.

1590
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: We have many donos. We will read them soon.

1591
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:21,600
Speaker 3: I demand that we read them now. I demand.

1592
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: Later. Should be a doop. But back to the story

1593
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 1: we were though soon. Lily also tried to guilt my

1594
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:31,719
Speaker 1: boyfriend for cutting contact with no warning, and he said

1595
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: he's sorry for not handling the situation.

1596
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly how he should have handled the situation.

1597
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: He made it clear that I didn't ask him to

1598
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 1: ignore them, nor did I say something bad about them.

1599
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:43,640
Speaker 1: He tried to get them to leave me out of

1600
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 1: their drama, but Lily and Emma won't stop making up

1601
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: awful rumors about me. Oh my god. Everything got more

1602
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 1: weird when the girls made a fake Reddit post pretending

1603
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: to be my boyfriend. Wait, they created a fake story

1604
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: and said awful things about me that I would never do.

1605
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 1: That's what made me make this post. Some of their

1606
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: lives were one I ignored, I broke up with and

1607
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: ignored my book. I broke up with and ignored my

1608
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 1: boyfriend for no reason. Two, they only spoke to my

1609
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: boyfriend in group chats and not personal messages. Their calls

1610
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: were only group calls too, And number three, I'm a

1611
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 1: hypocrite because I have a lot of guy friends who

1612
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: I hang out with. Why can't my boyfriend do the

1613
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 1: same with girls? I don't really have any guy friends.

1614
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: And finally number four, I made my girl. I made

1615
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,679
Speaker 1: my boyfriend ghost as friends. Me and my boyfriend didn't

1616
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: ever break up. These girls used to snapchat and personal

1617
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: message my boyfriend's phone daily. I didn't have any male friends,

1618
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: and I'm respectful to my cultures standards, which is not

1619
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 1: having the opposite sex friends in a relationship. That's the

1620
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: cultural standards. I did not make my boyfriend do anything.

1621
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: I didn't know he ghosted in Lily and Emma until

1622
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: two months after all they said couldn't be further from

1623
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: the truth. And they had the audacity to compliment themselves

1624
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 1: in my post. They were still pretending to be They

1625
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 1: were still pretending to be my boyfriend when they did.

1626
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 1: I find that pathetic. I think that impersonating and making

1627
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 1: a fake credit account with false stories is too far.

1628
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: But the question is is Opie doing the same?

1629
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 3: I mean, if if what OPI's boyfriend said is true,

1630
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 3: then the boyfriend has blocked these two crazy women. You

1631
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 3: know what.

1632
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: They have left lots of information and purposely didn't include

1633
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: and that's not normal in our culture to have men

1634
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 1: and women friendships. At least be honest in the post

1635
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: if you're going to put it online to people. Yeah,

1636
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:45,879
Speaker 1: no one ever lied.

1637
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 3: On the internet, right, definitely. I don't know anyone who

1638
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 3: lies on the internet.

1639
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 1: I feel like they told the lies to get some

1640
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: validation because they knew they were wrong and the truth

1641
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: would not get them the comments that they wanted. The

1642
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 1: comments on their post are very against me, but I

1643
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: can't blame them. I was made out to be a monster.

1644
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: If you're seeing this, I hope you too got the

1645
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,240
Speaker 1: ego boost you were desperate for. I didn't want to

1646
01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 1: be I didn't want to be mean, but I won't

1647
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: act defenseless when you're doing such ridiculous things. I want

1648
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: to make it clear I have no problem with my

1649
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: boyfriend having female friends, but there's boundaries that can't be crossed.

1650
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: I think I set a fair boundary. I don't like

1651
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: girls who flirt and lie the way they did. I

1652
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: know that it was my mistake not to confide in

1653
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: my boyfriend sooner, and I take responsibility from my part

1654
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: in making things worse. I tend to hide my feelings

1655
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 1: a lot because I worry to be a burden.

1656
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 3: Help Bop. You're not a burden, baby girl, You're not

1657
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 3: a burden.

1658
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: I never wanted to say anything to him, and I

1659
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to mess with his friends and relationships, but

1660
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: there was a limit to what I could take. My

1661
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: boyfriend is a wonderful guy, who's never failed to side

1662
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: with me and comfort me. I kindly ask you say

1663
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 1: that you not say bad things about him in the comments. Before,

1664
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: I thought it would be normal and okay for me

1665
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 1: to express my feelings about my boyfriend's friendship with flirty women.

1666
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,000
Speaker 1: My best friend advised me to be honest with him,

1667
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: so I did. Now I'm starting to second guess myself.

1668
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: The commenters on the the two Girls post kind of

1669
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: got to me. So I'm here telling the story and

1670
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 1: asking for my opinions. Am I the a pole a hoole?

1671
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: There's many questions to answer, but one answer is you

1672
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: can join us every day live three pmpst. Do it,

1673
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 1: Lauren chat first question is op the ahole?

1674
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 3: Definitely not, but it's well because well relying on the

1675
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:50,120
Speaker 3: fact that everything she's saying is true, but it's very

1676
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 3: I mean to me personally, it's a little odd that

1677
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:58,759
Speaker 3: she's like very much so like, well, I never wanted

1678
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 3: to tell my boyfriend because I don't want to be

1679
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 3: a burden. And these two girls, you know, made up

1680
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 3: a completely false story about me. Yeah, but for some

1681
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 3: reason I believe the commenters in a story that's all

1682
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 3: lies about me. That's freaks. That's a little weird, but

1683
01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 3: I mean it's it is not nice to hear mean

1684
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,719
Speaker 3: things being said about you, So I mean that's fair,

1685
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 3: but it's like, why would that.

1686
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: Make you feel a way?

1687
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,759
Speaker 3: If it's all lies, why are you second guessing yourself?

1688
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,599
Speaker 1: Yeah? I have a feeling that maybe op is very

1689
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: like unsure of maybe herself or like her position in

1690
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 1: this relationship or something along those lines, because she's like,

1691
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be a burden. But it's like,

1692
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 1: that's your boyfriend. Yeah, I think she's right, Like and

1693
01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: she's she's like, I don't want to be and maybe

1694
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 1: this is more of the like I don't want to

1695
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: be a burden type of thinking, but she's like, hey,

1696
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to be controlling. I think it's okay

1697
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: for him to have sex friends, even though it's like

1698
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 1: against my cultural norms. Like that's what. Yeah, I believe

1699
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: it's fair and right.

1700
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:08,879
Speaker 3: But I think, yeah, I think given the women's personal

1701
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 3: history of going after, you know, men who are not

1702
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 3: available and doing it repeatedly, is completely understandable.

1703
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,879
Speaker 1: Totally Like he he had a very good, appropriate response

1704
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 1: of cutting them off, and it's like, hey, you were like, uh,

1705
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 1: overtly flirting with me and all this stuff, and you know,

1706
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,760
Speaker 1: I have the right to, like, if you keep doing

1707
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 1: this stuff, like I have the right to not talk

1708
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: to you, you know, like come on.

1709
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:35,599
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, come on now.

1710
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,599
Speaker 1: And then final question, what do you think Opie should

1711
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: do here?

1712
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:43,640
Speaker 3: Well, first, I just want to say, hi, baby, my

1713
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 3: boyfriend's in the chat. Hey, let's go, oh my beloved. Anyways,

1714
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 3: the question was what should OPI do?

1715
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,280
Speaker 1: Yes, at this point.

1716
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 3: At this point, I mean, honestly, it's not like those

1717
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 3: those two women can contact.

1718
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 1: Her, right, I'm guessing she's blocked them as well. But

1719
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: they did find a way to get to her boyfriend

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01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 1: after he blocked them.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, well that's because they went on like

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01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 3: they're making new accounts, going on different apps that they're

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01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 3: not blocked on.

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01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:14,720
Speaker 1: Yea.

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01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 3: So I mean I think it's honestly best that both

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01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 3: of them agree to cut all contact with these two women. Yeah, definitely, yeah,

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01:34:28,720 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 3: just contact, Yeah, because I mean it's like, you know,

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01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 3: nothing that they're doing is really actually impacting you know,

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01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 3: op and Opie's boyfriend's life. It's just online crap. Block them, yeah,

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01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 3: block them, Yep, you have it.