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Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the smoke, coming to you guys

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Speaker 1: live from Las Vegas, the Players Era Tournament fed out

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Speaker 1: to the MGM MGM Grand It's been a great time

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Speaker 1: we've had this last of our three days and we've

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Speaker 1: been able to sit down with the men's side, and

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Speaker 1: it's only right now that we're able to sit down

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Speaker 1: with some of the leading coaches in the women's space.

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Speaker 1: Fun fact, we're looking at the number two, the number three,

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Speaker 1: and the number four team in the country right now,

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Speaker 1: so we're well represented with talent. Without further ado, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to introduce no bias to my favorite person on

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Speaker 1: the panel right here to my left, my bruined sister

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Speaker 1: fifteen years at UCLA All Conference point guard, herself at

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Speaker 1: Santa Barbara Rating Coach of the Year coach Corey Close.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your talk, thank you for having.

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Speaker 3: Us, Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Next to her, we got the man himself, Vick Schaeffer,

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Speaker 1: head coach at the University of Texas, six years a

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Speaker 1: Longhorns coach, four time SEC Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Coach, and.

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Speaker 1: Last and not least, Jack's favorite person outside of his

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Speaker 1: children in the world. Gold medalist, three time n C

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Speaker 1: double a champ, four time Coach of the Year, five

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Speaker 1: straight Final four appearances, done so much outside of the game,

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Speaker 1: outside of coaching.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Don Staley.

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Speaker 4: And I wore her number my rookie year. Yes. Great,

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Speaker 4: this is.

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Speaker 2: The first time you guys actually got a chance to

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Speaker 2: meet in person to right.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you when I tell you? When I

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Speaker 1: tell you, like when it comes to groupie status, he's.

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Speaker 4: Your biggest grippet.

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Speaker 2: I'm real.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk about mindset. All three of you were in

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Speaker 5: the Final four last year but fell short.

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Speaker 4: We talk a.

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Speaker 6: Lot about yeah, exactly, talk.

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Speaker 5: About basketball today, about competing and that's some of the

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Speaker 5: hardest things that coaches say to get to get the

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Speaker 5: kids to compete. Talk about the mindset and coming back

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Speaker 5: after losing, but also coming in this season to try

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Speaker 4: You first, I.

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Speaker 7: Mean, once you get a taste of the Final four one,

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Speaker 7: you know what it takes to get there. Once you

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Speaker 7: get a taste of winning a national championship, you know

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Speaker 7: exactly what to do and you just kind of it's

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Speaker 7: not a repeat because all teams are come in a

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Speaker 7: little different but you know, you have to have this,

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Speaker 7: get there. And I'll say this, once you've experienced winning

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Speaker 7: a national championship, it's hard, but it's a little easier

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Speaker 7: to win it again again because you know, I said,

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Speaker 7: for seventeen years of coaching, seventeen I try to get

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Speaker 6: Not knowing how hard it is, and.

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Speaker 7: Looking back on it, I sold them a dream because

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Speaker 7: So it's just getting young people to buy in. It's

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Speaker 7: can get better, right because they want to see their progress.

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Speaker 7: They want to see their their selfish like that, and

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Speaker 7: But they want to see their progress. So blending the two,

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Speaker 8: Coat Yeah, I can remember in twenty eleven, winning it

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Speaker 8: but just knowing how hard it was. You know, we

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Speaker 8: as coach was talking about knowing how hard it is

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Speaker 8: than any of them. In seventeen, when we went to

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Speaker 8: and that was you know, I hated that we didn't

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Speaker 8: it's just having your kids experience something that great. But man,

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Speaker 8: it is really first of all, winning is really hard.

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Speaker 8: Winning at that level is extremely hard, and it's just

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Speaker 8: it takes so much. Part of it is matchups when

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Speaker 8: the past that maybe even didn't get there. But that's

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Speaker 8: how hard it is to get there. And once you

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Speaker 8: experience it. I've experienced it last year with Texas for

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Speaker 8: I mean when we got done, you know, I got

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Speaker 8: to do that again. You know we're And so now

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Speaker 8: they're like, hey, guys, we know what it tastes like,

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Speaker 8: we know what it takes. It starts in August for

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Speaker 8: but it is a long, hard grind to get there.

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Speaker 8: But you just got to embrace that. And your kids

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Speaker 8: have you know, we all have highly motivated kids. I

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Speaker 8: know both of these coaches have incredible competitors and you

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Speaker 8: have to have you have to be a competitive nut. Really,

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Speaker 8: I mean, you do. I know these coaches are, you know,

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Speaker 8: and that's what it takes. I mean, they just they

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Speaker 3: You said mindset, you know, and I think that that's

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Speaker 3: the difference for us in this journey right now. That

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Speaker 3: that no matter what you said, there was a sense of,

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Speaker 3: And I think now there's a sense of expectancy that

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Speaker 3: we don't just deserve to be in the final four,

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Speaker 3: that we now have a taste of what it takes

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Speaker 3: that we believe we can win it. And you know,

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Speaker 3: and I do agree with everything they said. I think

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Speaker 3: that it's just it really is more about we all

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Speaker 3: But to have a team that has the mindset and

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Speaker 3: to that mindset might be the hardest but most rewarding part.

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Speaker 4: How are you three dealing with the big TP transfer portal?

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, I think the transfer portal's here to stay.

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Speaker 3: But we need boundaries, Yes, we need we need an

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Speaker 3: sitting out a year as a starting point. But what

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Speaker 3: go to the NCAA website, not that that's a really

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Speaker 3: talk about the mission of what we're trying to do,

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Speaker 3: it's not in line with the mission of what we

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and just my point, I think I see walt

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Speaker 5: not because they're not in a great situation. It's not

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it can be. I think there's a

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Speaker 3: various amount of reasons. But I think that we're letting

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Speaker 8: The thing I'm experiencing, especially when you might take a

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Speaker 8: they're really good, and then we get them and it's

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Speaker 4: But I think.

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Speaker 8: They're experience in it where they've had to take they've

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Speaker 8: They think, man, they're really good. They came from a

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Speaker 8: a sudden they're struggling. They lose three games, the next

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Speaker 8: I think that piece and then the question that you ask,

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Speaker 8: I've watched her program from AFAR. Obviously we're not close,

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Speaker 8: think it's fair to say that I'm demanding and don't

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Speaker 8: apologize for that. I've seen done in action. She's demanding,

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Speaker 7: bit longer to understand what's happening. I you know the

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Speaker 7: There shouldn't be with any any without just without some penalty,

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Speaker 6: I did all of that.

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Speaker 7: Nobody really knows that I do that to help them

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Speaker 7: I don't have any ill will towards anybody I got.

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Speaker 7: We got too many players that we got to take

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Speaker 7: Portal does allow you to you know, does allow you

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Speaker 1: And the adversity got me ready for the next level

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Speaker 6: Giving end of that.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's more we're talking about the infrastructure

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Speaker 5: Of the water where you water.

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Speaker 6: The money might be money might Yeah, exactly, if.

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Speaker 1: The growth of the Woman's game, it's been beautiful from

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Speaker 7: I think we've been held down for so many years,

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Speaker 6: It is. It is high demand. I mean it is.

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Speaker 7: Everybody wants to be It's a money making you can

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the huge pieces that what you said

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Speaker 3: than that's the tipping point, than the traditional ad space

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00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: on TV, and women are killing in that space, and

438
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 3: so that all those things surrounding it's time that we

439
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,120
Speaker 3: go back and go, Okay, wait, the landscape has changed here.

440
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 6: What do we have to do to cont you.

441
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 3: To invest in the sport not out of a charity,

442
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 3: because it is earned, it's the right to be a

443
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: really good investment. And until we do that, you're putting

444
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: universities who are under incredible pressure with all of the

445
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 3: changes that we've had, that they're not going to have

446
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 3: the same commitment to continue to grow the sport and

447
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 3: uplift it because there's not the infrastructure that rewards them

448
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:23,719
Speaker 3: for doing so.

449
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 4: Today's price is not yesterday's.

450
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: It's going on.

451
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 5: You know, Even with me being a professional athlete played basketball,

452
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 5: I have to admit I watch women's basketball in the

453
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 5: last three years more than I watch NBA anything college too.

454
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: It's college basketball too. There's a lot incitement around the

455
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: w but to me at the college, there's nothing better.

456
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: And you guys are kind of stowing the crown from

457
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: the men's like the women's tournament is mustards and the numbers,

458
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: the numbers don't lie.

459
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: The numbers say it too.

460
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 1: Coach Close, you've been the head coach at UCLA for

461
00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: fifteen years now, Historically great men's program come off the

462
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: heels with what you guys accompassed last year, the excitement

463
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: around campus. I've got a chance to go to your

464
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: guys game and the men's game, and your guys' shit

465
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: is jumping, Like did you ever.

466
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: Think it would?

467
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: Obviously the goal was to get here, but now that

468
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 1: you're here, with the excitement and having everyone behind you,

469
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: how does.

470
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 4: That feel amazing?

471
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: You know, I think especially in LA where everyone said, oh,

472
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: you can't do it in LA there's too much to

473
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: compete with or those kinds of things. Even you know,

474
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: credit to even our rivals across town to have two

475
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 3: of the best teams in the country right there, committed

476
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: to growing the sport in LA. At the same time,

477
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 3: it's been really fun. But I don't think you know.

478
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 3: I mean, you know this. I just love basketball and

479
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 3: I want this. There's sometimes a sense of as women's

480
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: basketball grows, we're trying to take something away from men's basketball.

481
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 6: No or not, we love the game.

482
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 3: And so like to celebrate that in light of the

483
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 3: history of what we walk in in CLA. There's a

484
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: great humility for me every time I walk down the

485
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 3: hallway of our games and I see your picture up,

486
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 3: I see the banners up, I see all the different

487
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 3: people that blaze the trail that I get to walk in,

488
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 3: and so it's very humbling but really exciting, and I

489
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: feel a great sense of responsibility to continue to pour in,

490
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: to invest in the in the women, and to leave

491
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: it better than I found it.

492
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 5: Anybody that thinks women's basketball evolving and going up it's

493
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 5: taken away from men's anything as a moron.

494
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I think just we live basketball.

495
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: We live in a society now where everyone wants you

496
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: to choose multiple things can be true and multiple things

497
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: to be entertaining. Nil agents, kids marketing making hundreds of thousands,

498
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: even millions of dollars. Coach Viga, I want you to

499
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: take this one. What has it been like coaching and recruiting.

500
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: But how has it changed?

501
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: Obviously, you guys have all been in this game for

502
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: a long time, whether it be playing you're playing first

503
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: and then and now coaching. But just the simple, the

504
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: simple simplicity of recruiting now I'm sure has changed.

505
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: And and and how you have to coach.

506
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: I coach au high school boys, and it's just the

507
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: way I used to get yelled and cust that, and

508
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: it was you had to take it. Now if you

509
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: do that, they're out of here. So how have you

510
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: guys just kind of changed your overall philosophy while still

511
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: keeping your morals and principles and and and and the

512
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,919
Speaker 1: right stuff. You know, you still need, no matter if

513
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: these kids want to hear it or not.

514
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: There's a lot of that question.

515
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Nick, Yeah, Well, let's be honest. We're we're

516
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 8: pro coaches now, I mean, whether we want to be

517
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 8: or not. It's still not something I'm real comfortable with

518
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 8: at all because it's just something that I we didn't

519
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 8: do for so many years.

520
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 4: And now all of a sudden, you.

521
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 8: Talk about numbers to recruits.

522
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: I think one of the things that.

523
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 8: Y'all might not be a whereof that would just shock

524
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 8: you is what a kid might think they're worth. They

525
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 8: played somewhere one year, played five minutes a game and

526
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 8: averaged two points a game.

527
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: And they're asking, hey, I.

528
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 8: Got to have that position. Let me check on them

529
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 8: and see and they're you're just astonished at what the

530
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 8: number is, Like it just it would blow you away,

531
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 8: like really, like I'm it is. But I have a GM.

532
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 8: You know, I have a business lady in town that's

533
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 8: created her own business solder. She's retired. She serves on

534
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 8: three national boards all over the country. That's her job.

535
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 8: So she spends a lot of time with me. And

536
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 8: you know, we all have a salary cap. I mean,

537
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 8: we're all here because we're trying to increase our cap

538
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 8: right at the at the event we're in and but

539
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 8: it's I mean we're we're we are literally having to

540
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 8: manage and it's dickating. And I tell my administration this.

541
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 8: You want to tell your administration something. Look, if we

542
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 8: can't get that person because of the number, well then

543
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 8: you need to tell me now and I'll stop recruiting

544
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 8: numbers one through twenty five. I need to start recruiting

545
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 8: number sixty five through one thirty because they're a different

546
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 8: number than one through twenty five. That's the truth of

547
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 8: the matter. And if you want us to be good,

548
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 8: which we three are lucky to be at places where

549
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 8: women's basketball is really important, it is and our administrations

550
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 8: have obviously invested in us, as Coach was talking about,

551
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 8: and we've proven them right, I mean the proofs in

552
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 8: the pudding.

553
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 4: But that's that's.

554
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 8: The truth of the matter. If we're all going to

555
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 8: conte to try to compete for national championships, which I'm

556
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 8: telling you at Texas that's all they care about, then

557
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 8: if we're going to live in that neighborhood, it's going

558
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 8: to take this number.

559
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 4: Stay there now. If you're not.

560
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 8: If we don't have that, well, then don't hold me

561
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 8: to that because I can't live there. I got to

562
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 8: live over here, exactly, and then I'll stop wasting my

563
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 8: time and my staff will stop wasting their time recruiting

564
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 8: in that neighborhood because we ain't getting that kid, and

565
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 8: that unfortunately for us, and I believe it for all

566
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 8: three of us, we're still.

567
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 4: Again.

568
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 8: I've watched her teams from Afar, I live with her.

569
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 8: I believe we are too far down. I won't speak

570
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 8: for Coach, but I'm too far down the road to change.

571
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 8: We are about relationships. Like my staff works really hard

572
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 8: in recruiting. We are about relationships. Yes, at some point

573
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 8: in the recruiting process we're going to talk about a number.

574
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 8: That is very true. But I still believe in women's

575
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 8: basketball there is a parent parents that are in trusting

576
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 8: you with their daughter. I don't think at the end

577
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 8: of the day, a number is going to trump whether

578
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 8: they think you're going to take care of their kid

579
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 8: or not. I don't think you can put a value,

580
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 8: you know, a number. Like I got kids of my own,

581
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 8: there's no number that they're worth. They are in you know,

582
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 8: the numbers infinite. And so for us, we work really

583
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 8: hard on the on the relationship piece. But and so

584
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 8: this is today's world, you know, this is what.

585
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: We live in.

586
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 8: And again, I'm so fortunate to have Miss Lisa because she,

587
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 8: you know, she kind of keeps me within that that range.

588
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: That we have to live in. I mean, it's not

589
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: it's not. There is an end to it.

590
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, regardless of the money, you don't you don't you

591
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 7: don't coach the money you're coaching, and you.

592
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 6: Don't even think about the money.

593
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 7: You really don't even think about the money when you're coaching,

594
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 7: because it looks sound feel like something looks sounds and

595
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 7: feels off. You know, I'm too old and not say

596
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 7: anything good or bad, good or bad like like it's.

597
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 8: Well, we're just too far down the road. If we've

598
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 8: done and how we've done it has been successful, yes,

599
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 8: like I wouldn't know how to do it any other way.

600
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 4: Broke, don't fix it.

601
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, now there's some things I won't I'm not dealing.

602
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 7: I mean I know that I'm not fighting like I'm not.

603
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 7: I'm not fighting the social media piece. That's how they

604
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 7: make their money, right, I'm not fighting that piece. They

605
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 7: need their phones. I think they would be they would

606
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 7: be worse without their phones.

607
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 4: You pop up on the TikTok every now and then

608
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 4: with them.

609
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 7: Why not where they are meaning when they are, meaning

610
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 7: where they are, And but you're not, you're not we're

611
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 7: not coaching the money like we got a home for

612
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 7: the money.

613
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 6: We gotta we gotta build a roster.

614
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 7: But when it's all said and done, like I don't

615
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 7: even think I get mad and say.

616
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 6: You're not worth that, You're not worth that?

617
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 7: Every day like your your standards are too low for

618
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 7: you to get that money. I don't even think I

619
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 7: think about those things. It's just if your standards low today,

620
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 7: we got we gotta get you to your standard. Money

621
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 7: doesn't Money doesn't come in in the play. Money only

622
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 7: comes into play. You sit down with them and and

623
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 7: they say yes, or they say maybe. If they say maybe,

624
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 7: they're shopping it all to somebody else, and you have

625
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 7: to deal with that aspect of it. So it's it's

626
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 7: I I like it though. I like the challenge of

627
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 7: figuring it out, the challenge of, you know, put the

628
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 7: team together, and and and and I'm a I'm.

629
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 6: A believer in this.

630
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 7: I'll let a good recruit go right, not have a

631
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 7: good time, have a circle back.

632
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 6: They're cheaper that.

633
00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 7: Way, they're cheaper. They're cheaper because they're not getting what

634
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 7: they want. They're not getting they're getting closer to John

635
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 7: to be a pro. And then we're like, oh, okay,

636
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 7: well I stacked it. Let me go get these skills

637
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 7: set and let me go get this knowledge and mindset

638
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 7: so I can have some longevity in the league.

639
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

640
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: I think that the key factor is how do we

641
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: stay competitive, adjusting the new landscape and stay mission minded

642
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: at the same time, and there's I think we're all

643
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: figuring it as we go, you know, but I think

644
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: there's some non negotiables. For me, the standard of excellence

645
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 3: can't change, so the landscape has changed, so I got

646
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: to adapt and I do.

647
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: Don.

648
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: I think you're brilliant at meeting people where they are

649
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 3: and it's been an inspiration to me, and I think,

650
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: so we have to be willing to adapt. But the

651
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: standard can't change. The standard is the standard. And so

652
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: now though, how do you do that? Because money does

653
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: bring in a different thing you're competing with from a

654
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: value standpoint, an entitlement standpoint. Where did you get your

655
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: value from? And so for me, the big challenges I

656
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: agree with Don that there's more pluses than minuses. It's challenging.

657
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: I think there's things we have to guard against, but

658
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 3: we can't complain about it. And then when it comes

659
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 3: these student athletes are getting these opportunities and then you know,

660
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: change the script, so to speak. So I think it's

661
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: just really important that we find ways to be competitive

662
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: in the landscape. I think we do need structure in

663
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 3: this area too, Like what does a salary cap really mean? Well,

664
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 3: it means there's something different at every place in every conference,

665
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 3: and so what could that look like? But also how

666
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: do we stay mission minded and really coach people's hearts?

667
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 3: You know, coach wouldn't I had the unbelievable opportunity to

668
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: be mentored by him for fifteen years, and one of

669
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: the things he's told He told me was, remember Corey,

670
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 3: you're not coaching people's jump shots, You're coaching people's hearts.

671
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: But he would say, but if you coach their hearts

672
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: really well, usually their jump shot ends up pretty good too.

673
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: And for me, add money or not, I just have

674
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: to remind myself I'm still coaching people's hearts.

675
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 7: And for the record, like we talked to each other

676
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 7: for the greater good of our game.

677
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 3: I called her at the final four and said, hey,

678
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: do you think this kid's.

679
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 6: Worth that I did? I did work?

680
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 7: I mean because we're we are in it together, like

681
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 7: like you may. Of course, we want to give young

682
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 7: people their work, but sometimes that number is ha and

683
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 7: the production is low.

684
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 6: It's true.

685
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: Jack and I both played AU and put our kids

686
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: through AU. I think the landscape looks a lot different

687
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: than it used to do. We need to think, rethink

688
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: what our youth basketball system looks like anybody could take that.

689
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: Let me pray about that. Amen, Yes, I just I

690
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: just think that we got to look at the whole

691
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 3: what's happening in our world, you know, what's happening internationally,

692
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 3: what's happening in the pros, the NBA, the w n

693
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: b A, and look at the trends of where our

694
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: game is going. And I think then we have to

695
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: go look back to what how are we training our

696
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: kids up to it ready for this the trends of

697
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: where the game is going. And so I think there's

698
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: way more good than bad in the system. But I

699
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 3: do think if we're going to continue to lead in

700
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: the US, especially on the women's side, where we have

701
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: such a long tradition, that just like the men have experienced,

702
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: the gap has closed, you know, and now and the

703
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: gap is closing for the women too. And so I

704
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: think how we structure youth leagues, how we bring the

705
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: joy of the game. There's a lot of competition for

706
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: youth sports, you know, and volleyball I think for the

707
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: first time had as many or more participants in the

708
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 3: women's side and the in the youth leagues as basketball.

709
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 6: So I think that you.

710
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: Know, we do need to really look at where are

711
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 3: the trends of the game from an international perspective as

712
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: well as a pro perspective, and then reverse engineer how

713
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 3: we equip our young people in the grassroots level and

714
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: youth basketball.

715
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 5: There's a lot of them are more concerned with what

716
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 5: the game can do for them than loving the game.

717
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 5: Like we tell when we grow up, all we have

718
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 5: that was outside parks and playing basketball. I think we

719
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 5: couldn't afford trainers, we couldn't board other gyms.

720
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 4: We have to do with what was in front of us,

721
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: and you learned a whole lot.

722
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 5: They fall in love to what the game can give

723
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 5: them instead of fall in love with the game of basketball.

724
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 5: I tell kids, y'all, don't understand like we played basketball

725
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 5: the eighteen nineteen years for free just because.

726
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 4: You love the game.

727
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 2: Maybe got some shit to get.

728
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 4: To up there when we can make money, you know

729
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 4: what I mean?

730
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 6: They don't pick.

731
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: Up, do you guys? See it?

732
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: On the women's side because they can I coach and

733
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: have kids and and and pay attention. On the men's side,

734
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: I feel like this generation is very skilled, but they

735
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: lack the IQ and don't know how to play without

736
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: the ball and all that. Do you guys feel that

737
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: on your side as well?

738
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 6: They don't play enough pick up to pick up or

739
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 6: what on want?

740
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 7: You learn toughness, you learn, you learn how to have

741
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 7: thick skin. You learn to maneuver what works, what doesn't work.

742
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 7: You know, you learn the trash talking. You learn all

743
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 7: of those things while you're playing pick up. Like our

744
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 7: first championship team never played pickup like in the summer.

745
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: That's crazy, I remembers.

746
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 7: I mean that's competition. Yeah, Like if you're competitive, you

747
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 7: won't you won't.

748
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: Hey, that's how you work on your game. Whatever you're

749
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 4: working on works.

750
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a great story with the NBA runs at UCLA.

751
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: I was about to go there, but go ahead, take it,

752
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: take it well.

753
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: I mean, Earl Watson has this great story where one

754
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: of his teammates from college was coming to him and saying, Hey,

755
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: I get to the last cut in the.

756
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 6: League and I keep getting cut, I keep getting cut.

757
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 6: How come you always make You've been in the league.

758
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: You weren't even that, you weren't a five star guy,

759
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: and you know you you've been in the league twelve

760
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: thirteen years. How'd you do that? He goes, I'll tell

761
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:45,879
Speaker 3: you you'll stick on a team when you can do one thing.

762
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 3: And he goes, well, what is it? He goes, you

763
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: got to go and win three games in a row?

764
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 6: Is that right?

765
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: Stay on the center court, in the center court.

766
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 3: Stay on the center court means you keep winning and

767
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: you can't and you can do it without scoring. And

768
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: so that's what earle knew how to do, is he

769
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: would play on the center court and he would look

770
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 3: around and go, who's on my team?

771
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 4: What do I have?

772
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 3: And I'm going to make sure we win and I

773
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: don't ever have to shoot. And you know, tell me

774
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: if I got that wrong. But I just think how

775
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: you can affect winning looks like so many other ways.

776
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: And when you learn that.

777
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 4: Karen can affect the game, Yeah, totally just caring. I

778
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 4: don't seem care enough.

779
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: That's where I was going with it.

780
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 4: Don't tell Texas to care to.

781
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 7: It's terms like young people have terms and conditions on

782
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 7: you know, how they how they how they.

783
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 6: See things right, the entitlement.

784
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 7: Because they got no depth to it. Like the pickup

785
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 7: part just really gets me. You you you you learn depth,

786
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 7: you learn about all those things that you need how

787
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 7: to you know, see if your stuff works and then

788
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 7: you you can you can really rely on that, like

789
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 7: you we don't know, Like you know, Raven, Raven's been

790
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 7: in the gym all summer long, right all summer alone.

791
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 6: Now, Raven feels.

792
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 7: Like she should be able to see her stuff every game,

793
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 7: like like she should score every game. But if you're not,

794
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 7: if you haven't scored every game for a certain part

795
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 7: of your college career, it's going to be up and

796
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 7: down to you fit until you figure it out. But

797
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 7: just because you're not scoring, it can't impact the other

798
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 7: parts that are so valuable to your game.

799
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 6: So and I just tell the trust, well, your work,

800
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 6: Trust your work. Just trust your work.

801
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 7: You put it in, it's done already, it's done, you

802
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 7: did it over trust it on a daily basis.

803
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: I was just gonna add to that with a I

804
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: think if you don't put in that work and that

805
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: creativity that happens, it's they end up coming into your

806
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: season wanting to treat it like a scientific formula instead

807
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 3: of an art project or a painting to paint. And

808
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: I don't think basketball is a scientific formula. And I

809
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 3: think if you haven't failed and been creative or oh

810
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: I want to try that move I've been working on.

811
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: And you don't do that and pick up in the summer,

812
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 3: You're not.

813
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 6: Ever going to do it.

814
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: And the lights are no, no, the lights are bright.

815
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 6: And so you know, I just do it. It's not

816
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 6: gonna look good.

817
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: Well that's true, that's true. So I just think you

818
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: losing the whole fun of it, you know, And well,

819
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: why play it like a like you're in a lab.

820
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 3: Let's play it like you're have an exquisite painting.

821
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: I think that was one of my biggest gifts and

822
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: the reason why I was able to play fifteen professionally

823
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: was because of the men's gym in the summertime and

824
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: coming in there as an eighteen year old playing against

825
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: Kobe and Paul and t Mac and Shack and you

826
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: name it. We may think we're okay, we're doing our thing,

827
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: but this is where we're trying to go and look

828
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know what I mean. So I

829
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: just think that that the pick up. I mean again,

830
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm a dad too, so it's just like I have

831
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: to call around and get the gym, and hey, hit

832
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: all your homeboys and tell them I'll get the Joab

833
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: paid for the gym for two hours, and you gotta

834
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: just go get every.

835
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: When you can to play.

836
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: Like we we found the gym, we found the park,

837
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: we found somewhere to play. But now it's almost like

838
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: you really have to spoon feed them. And then one

839
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: more thing I'll say as a coach getting high school

840
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: kids ready for the pros, everyone thinks they have to score,

841
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, there's so many more ways to

842
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: get recruited outside of scoring, because a lot of you

843
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: guys scoring twenty points may not be even an option

844
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: on your college team.

845
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: So how can you affect the.

846
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: Game If the best thing you can do isn't working,

847
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: the best thing you can do on the court isn't working,

848
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: house can you affect the game? So just kind of

849
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: to trigger their mind and spark their minds to think

850
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: that there's just so much more to whatever your specialty is.

851
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: They if I take that away tonight, how can you

852
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: still help me win the game?

853
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 5: And the landscape with the NBA is too like they

854
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 5: want one dimensional guys that's good at one thing.

855
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: So don't think you're just going to come in.

856
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 5: And shoot all the balls because you got guys that's

857
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 5: getting paid to do shooting. You got a guy getting

858
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 5: paid the rebound, so you're not gonna be able to

859
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 5: do all that.

860
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: You gotta find out what you're good at being start

861
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: the role and they don't want to stow coach.

862
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: The Knicks reached out to you. How did that go

863
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: and what was that process? What was that process?

864
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 4: Like we would have fell out?

865
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 7: Well one, I've known Leon and Worldwide West for thirty years.

866
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 4: Yeap.

867
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 6: Like Leon called me and I'm like, what's up, Leon?

868
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 6: This is out?

869
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 7: He was like, hey, you know thinking about you know,

870
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 7: I want to bring you into the interview.

871
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 6: I'm like, come on, Leon, exactly, come on. Like He's like, no,

872
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 6: I'm serious, I'm serious. I'm serious.

873
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 7: So I had to go to New York for something

874
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 7: and I told him I am gonna be in New York.

875
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 7: He's like, you know, come to my apartment. Let's let's

876
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 7: talk a little bit. And he was like really serious

877
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 7: about it. I was like, well, how did you How

878
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 7: did you come to put me on your list? And

879
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 7: he showed me the book, He showed me the list

880
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 7: of coaches. He just said, basically, you have what we need,

881
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 7: your collaborative with people like we need that in the

882
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 7: front office. We need that, we need our basketball in

883
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 7: our front office, you know, to have to be integrated

884
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 7: and work collaboratively. So and then we set up a

885
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 7: meeting to do the interview. Did the interview was six hours.

886
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 7: It was whiteboard. It was just talking and how you

887
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 7: get players to to to.

888
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 6: Play at a high level.

889
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 7: And I and I actually asked them some questions. And

890
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 7: I thought the questions that I asked them, they really

891
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 7: didn't know the answers because it's not a normal question

892
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 7: for them, like how would how would me being the

893
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 7: Knicks head coach affect your job? Your job, your job,

894
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 7: your job being a woman, being a black woman, because

895
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 7: you're gonna you're gonna be asked questions that you never

896
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 7: had to answer because it because it again, first a

897
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 7: three game losing Street, I mean three game losing streak,

898
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 7: five game lovers Street. It is different than I'm the coach.

899
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 7: Then what a male coach? I mean, it happens all

900
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 7: the time in the league. They're not asked certain questions.

901
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 7: They're not they're not it's about can they coach or not?

902
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 7: Like it would be more about a female coach, it

903
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 7: would be more about anything other than this, she qualified

904
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 7: and she like all of those things not not their norm.

905
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 7: So I don't I don't think they were ready for that.

906
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 7: And I do think that if you're going to hire

907
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 7: a female coach, you have to plan for that. It's

908
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 7: not an you interview them, Oh they have the job,

909
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 7: and then you're planning as you're as you're doing.

910
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 6: Is to me, it doesn't work that way.

911
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 7: You gotta have the mindset to actually really get behind

912
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 7: a female coach and give her what she needs to

913
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 7: be successful.

914
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 5: It been a lot you had to deal with that

915
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 5: they didn't have a wall up for, especially dealing with

916
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 5: the media space.

917
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: So I understand exactly what.

918
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 6: All of that.

919
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, how you're going to have her first argument with

920
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 4: a teammate? You know what I'm saying.

921
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: It was, Yes, we appreciate everyone's time. Last question of

922
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: the day, and I'll start with you, Vic. If a

923
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: high school kid is watching this, or even maybe another

924
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: kid at a program, what is one piece of advice

925
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: you would give them?

926
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 4: I think listen to the.

927
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: Podcast that I like that. I like that.

928
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 8: I mean there's been a lot of information coach close

929
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 8: and they're just you know, they've been doing it a

930
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 8: long time. I've been doing it forty one years. I think,

931
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 8: you know, the advice that's been given within the context

932
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 8: of this whole thing. We've talked about a lot of

933
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 8: things that for an eighteen year old, I think they

934
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 8: can go off of. But I think the biggest thing

935
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 8: again is, I know you can get caught up in

936
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,479
Speaker 8: some things, but you need to stay grounded with what's

937
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 8: really important. Be somewhere where you feel like you're going

938
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 8: to be developed, Be somewhere where you're gonna be loved,

939
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 8: Be somewhere where you're going to have great role models,

940
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 8: great great you know, mentors as a young woman.

941
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 4: And I think.

942
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 8: Both of these coaches myself, you know, we're at places

943
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 8: where I feel like, you know, kids are going to

944
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 8: get that. And for me, I you know, my daughter

945
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 8: played for me and when she was you know, in

946
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 8: high school, she could go a lot of places and

947
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 8: won a lot of games. I could have cared less

948
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 8: about that. I want her to be somewhere where she

949
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 8: was going to have great role models, female role models,

950
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 8: great mentors, and be developed and be taken care of,

951
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 8: because at the end of the day, we have people's children,

952
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 8: we have their daughters, and so you know, that's my

953
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 8: advice and the rest will come. I mean, you have

954
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 8: your whole life, but the next four years are really important.

955
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 8: They're really important, and you know, to be at one

956
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 8: of our places, and there's a lot of places around

957
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 8: the country that are really good. I think, you know,

958
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 8: that's where you got to. You got to you got

959
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 8: to really.

960
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 4: Trust.

961
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 8: You're gonna have to trust somebody. You know, some mom

962
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 8: and dad's gonna have to trust, you know, a coach,

963
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 8: trust somebody, and so you know, do your homework and

964
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 8: and get to know people.

965
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 4: You know.

966
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 8: Again, I think for us, it's still about relationships at

967
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 8: the end of the day. Yeah, man, we're you watch

968
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 8: any of our teams, man, our teams are they play hard?

969
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 8: You know, they play really hard. I've I've coach, I

970
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 8: have played against coaches teams. We've scrimmaged each other in

971
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 8: the early sorry obviously I've I've had to coach against

972
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 8: her and and play her teams. And our teams play

973
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 8: so hard. And I think when the games over, I

974
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 8: think all three of us, if that's what they said

975
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 8: about our team, man, you got a tough, physical, aggressive

976
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 8: basketball team, I think we'd probably be good.

977
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: And that don't say anything about your jump, no mindset it.

978
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 8: Just but I think if that's what they say about

979
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 8: our teams, I'm good. I'm gonna play her tomorrow. Whatever

980
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 8: happens when the game's over. If I go to locker room,

981
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 8: go man, we played our guts out. I'm good.

982
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 4: I'm good.

983
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 8: We have to play our guts out, you know when

984
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 8: we play teams like this and obviously playing South Carolina

985
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 8: every year when I was at Misissippi State, now at Texas, Baby,

986
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 8: you better play your guts out or it ain't gonna

987
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 8: be much fun. We're like, our guts out tomorrow or

988
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 8: it ain't gonna be much Fun's got a great team.

989
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 8: So I think that's my my thought process and my

990
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 8: message because again, you're gonna have a lot of people

991
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 8: you know in your ears and you've got to be

992
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 8: able to You've got to be able to sift through

993
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 8: some of that and you need some guidance.

994
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 6: He said it at the end.

995
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 4: Trust.

996
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 7: You got to be able to trust who you're in

997
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 7: trusting your career with, like really trust them. And it's

998
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 7: not you just can't put the onus on the coach, right,

999
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 7: it is a relationship. You're in a relationship with your coach.

1000
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 7: And coaches. That means when something doesn't feel right to you,

1001
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 7: you got to be able to speak up because we

1002
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 7: can't read your minds, although we can meet you where

1003
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 7: you are on any given day, but you got to

1004
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 7: trust that person enough to say, hey, this doesn't sound

1005
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 7: right to me, I'm not feeling right.

1006
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 6: Can you help me?

1007
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 7: Like you have to be able to do that, and

1008
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 7: I think part of that is get in to know

1009
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 7: who you are, your authentic self, your vulnerable self, your downfalls, right,

1010
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 7: what your strength and your weakness is, all of that

1011
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 7: as a person, and that is the time that that

1012
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 7: that is growth. Time you're making the most transformational you know,

1013
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 7: these are the most transformational years of your life in college.

1014
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 7: And if you can't have a conversation with your college

1015
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 7: coach about what's happening with you, good, bad, are and different.

1016
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 7: I'll just say this, young people, young people, we've been

1017
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 7: coaching so long that there are no new problems. There

1018
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 7: are no new problems, but we've never seen a hundred

1019
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 7: times we've dealt with it at all. So just bring

1020
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 7: it to us, you know, don't be embarrassed. Somebody's been

1021
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 7: through it. Somebody's have been through it.

1022
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 2: Let us help you.

1023
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 6: Let us help you. We're your biggest resource.

1024
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 7: And if you don't, and I do think that that

1025
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 7: can help with someone what's happening in the transfer portal

1026
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 7: part or that is just miscommunication, misconception and.

1027
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 6: Untruths like imagine, like made up stuff.

1028
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: I think bottom line is what really lasts, you know,

1029
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 3: Like I think about if I was coaching.

1030
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 8: Your boys, what would you want from me?

1031
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: You know, and you would want me to give them

1032
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 3: something that lasts, and you know, I think that the

1033
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: reality is the average Division one basketball player spends over

1034
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 3: thirty five hundred hours in their sport over four years,

1035
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: and only four percent of those are in games four percent.

1036
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 3: But what's recruiting all about? Outcomes? And the ninety six

1037
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 3: percent and now money, And I think that it's just

1038
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: really got to be I had a UCLA men's basketball

1039
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: lum and our mental conditioning coach at the time, Joshua Medcalf,

1040
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: come into our team and say, what are the things

1041
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: they are going to be with you for the rest

1042
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: of your life from these four years? And I remember

1043
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 3: that time Jordan Canada was said, I want.

1044
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 6: A banner, baby, I want that banner to.

1045
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 3: Be in the gym and he goes, man, I can't

1046
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: wait to be at that Banner ceremony, but the reality

1047
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 3: is Banner's hanging gyms.

1048
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 6: And then someone else said.

1049
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: Hey, I want a ring, baby, and I want that ring.

1050
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: I want it shiny, and he said, I cannot wait

1051
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: for that to be a byproduct of your process and

1052
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 3: your work. But rings collect dust. So the only two

1053
00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: things that will stay with you for the rest of

1054
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 3: your life from these four years is who you become

1055
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: and who you impact. You get to keep those forever.

1056
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: And so when I just think about the advice of

1057
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 3: that is just whatever you're gonna do, make decisions based

1058
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 3: on something you want to have for a long time,

1059
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 3: because otherwise the outcomes are just a distraction.

1060
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: I love it.

1061
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: Well, Thank you guys, Thank you for the players, Air

1062
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: for hosting us. Make sure you guys tune in to

1063
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: the tournament on TNT, True TV.

1064
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: And HBO Max.

1065
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: Thank you see all these teams in action. Best of

1066
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: luck to everybody, and thank you for tuning in. That's

1067
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,200
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1068
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,879
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1069
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