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Speaker 1: He reaches for the goal line. This is the longest yard.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a different voice every time. Thanks you

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Speaker 1: to a British accent. Hello, Welcome to Games with Names

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Speaker 1: presented by wind Bet. I'm Sam Morrel and I'm Julian Edelman,

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Speaker 1: and we're on the search to find the greatest games

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Speaker 1: of all time. Today's episode The Longest Yard, super Bowl

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Speaker 1: x x x IVY What is that? Jack? Super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: What is that? That is thirty four? Super Bowl thirty

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Speaker 1: four The Saint Louis Rams versus the Tennessee Titans. I

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Speaker 1: route whatever. And our guests. We got Kurt Warner Man,

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Speaker 1: we got we got Kurt Kurt Warner. I'm so excited

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Speaker 1: the Disney movie Kurt Warner Is it a Disney movie?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It looked like it was produced by

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cameron it was. It had like Christian vibes. He's

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Speaker 1: a he's a religious hero, he's a god guy, and

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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. He It's an incredible story.

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Speaker 1: After watching that movie and then watching I have seen

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Speaker 1: those feel good movies where like, if you're down in

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Speaker 1: I tell you right now, you're gonna feel good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to who does want to feel good? Either

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Speaker 1: that movie or opiates. That's the that's the recipe right there.

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Speaker 1: First thoughts on the game, I mean, this game has

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Speaker 1: There's huge plays. I mean, Kurt Warner, I haven't watched

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Speaker 1: this game in a long time. Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce, Marshall, Falck,

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Speaker 1: Tory Hole. And then on the other side you got

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Speaker 1: you know, Eddie, George, Steve McNay or Kevin Dyson, Javar Curse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it had, like, just like you said, a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of everything. You saw some defensive, great defensive stands in

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Speaker 1: that first half, the second half is start when the

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Speaker 1: fireworks started coming. You saw special teams, you saw that

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Speaker 1: You saw field goals that were made, field goals that

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Speaker 1: be an exciting game to break down with Kurt Warner

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Speaker 1: with his inside thoughts on everything. This was such an

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Speaker 1: iconic game that I remember it being referenced in the

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Speaker 1: end of Castaway, was it? Yeah? Remember do you guys

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Speaker 1: And he's like, cool, I was on an island for

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Speaker 1: ten years, so can we talk about that trying to

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Speaker 1: talk about football. That's how good a game it was.

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Speaker 1: She tried to bring up football after he was on

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Speaker 1: guess football is better than us. So I've been seeing

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Speaker 1: this other guy's dong that's better than that. But it's

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Speaker 1: and now she's with this dude. Wilson Classic movie. I

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Speaker 1: How old were you, Sam? I was fourteen? How about you?

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Speaker 1: was fourteen. Crazy. Number one movie in America EI The Beholder.

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Speaker 1: Beholder a nine percent on Rotten Tomatoes, nine percent terrible.

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Speaker 1: How about next Friday. That was it was solid John

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Speaker 1: Witherspoon's legend. I loved them, loved them. Yeah, I love

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Speaker 1: So in the super Bowl against the Rams that you played,

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Speaker 1: some ridiculous trends. The boy bands like in Sync were

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Speaker 1: Backstreets back all right, what the hell? It's an easy lyric.

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Speaker 1: It's an easy lyric. The Nokia, remember that, dude. I

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Speaker 1: remember the pager talk? The one four three, I love

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Speaker 1: It's like it's super bad. My name is XXX. Plays

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Speaker 1: Mark Cuban bought the Mavericks from Ross Perrot Junior Wow

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Speaker 1: Great uniform, Great uniform game. This is Both of those

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Speaker 1: little skykick over the other side. Try to be sneaky

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Speaker 1: with you. So shout out to old del Greco who

422
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Speaker 1: missed a field goal in this game. But hey, you

423
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Speaker 1: have something named after you and this is a naming podcast.

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Speaker 1: Pretty cool? Should we do our prop bet? The gaming

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Speaker 1: corner presented by Winning bet So the relevant betting line

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Speaker 1: for this games the spread rams minus seven push Yeah

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Speaker 1: over under forty five shockingly under with the greatest show

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Speaker 1: on turf and a really good miracle in Tennessee football team.

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Speaker 1: That was very, very crazy not to see that over go.

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Speaker 1: But it's Super Bowl. Anything happens. We all know that

431
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Speaker 1: playoffs a little more physical. These teams knew each other

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Refs aren't gonna call as much. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna let the boys play. Yeah. So for the prop bet,

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Speaker 1: if you're new to the show, Every week we do

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Speaker 1: a little bet to see what we can get out

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Speaker 1: of the players, out of us. What can we do?

437
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Speaker 1: I think for the over under? How many times has

438
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Speaker 1: Kurt Warner seen coach Dick Vermeil, famous for crying, famous crier.

439
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Speaker 1: How many times has he seen him cry? What do you?

440
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Speaker 1: What's the number we got to hit? I think three

441
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Speaker 1: and a half because he probably cried. He probably cried.

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Speaker 1: He cried after this game for sure, know that. Yeah,

443
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Speaker 1: he probably cried after Like Kurt got envy because Kurt's

444
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: story was so good and he's like, you could tell

445
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: he's a loving type guy. Yeah, and then maybe cried

446
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: during like a Dawson's Creek episode I heard maybe maybe

447
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Speaker 1: it was the end of that was that song I

448
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: don't want to wait for this time? Yeah? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think three and a half's is that? Is that it?

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Speaker 1: We got it? Yeah? I think it's three. I'm taking

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Speaker 1: the under on this, taking the under. I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: the over, all right, I'm gonna take the over. I

453
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Speaker 1: feel like uh coach Ramil being a very players coach

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Speaker 1: type of guy who's cried a few times in the

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Speaker 1: locker room after seeing he had to cut someone or

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Speaker 1: if he had to do Wow, you know that's that's

457
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Speaker 1: a cry ball. This is the insider picks. I don't know. Hey,

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Speaker 1: there's no insider information here. There's no inside information here. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Kurt Warner. But before let's do

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Speaker 1: a quick break and we're joined here Sam. Big treat,

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Speaker 1: huge treat, such a big treat. They make movies after

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Speaker 1: guys like this. Bitterly with the Dude from Shazam, with

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Speaker 1: the Dude from Shazzama. We are joined by Kurt Warner

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Speaker 1: NFL legend, extraordinary inspirational story that he went through. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get the breakdown the longest yard, Super Bowl thirty four.

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Speaker 1: I mean that game is crazy, that team the greatest

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Speaker 1: show on turf. He's the engine. I mean, he's the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's just rattle off some of these things. So

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Speaker 1: Trent Green starting quarterback at the beginning of the year.

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Speaker 1: Everyone's heard about the Bledsoe Brady thing. This is even

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Speaker 1: crazier if you really think about it. Trent Green goes down,

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Speaker 1: gets hit by Rodney Harrison's Rodney rocking. Rodney hits him,

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Speaker 1: knocks him out, gives Kurt Warner his opportunity. What's he do?

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Speaker 1: He goes on, wins MVP that year, leads a team

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Speaker 1: to a super Bowl as pretty much kind of a rookie.

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Speaker 1: You spent a lot of time in Arizona or in

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Speaker 1: the Arena League, twenty eight year old rookie though, right,

478
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Speaker 1: exactly exactly in this league, but he played a lot

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Speaker 1: of football. He went over you went across to Europe, right,

480
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Speaker 1: you went, You went to Europe for it was over

481
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Speaker 1: NFL Europe for a year as well, like just a

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Speaker 1: what do they call it? Do they call it football?

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Speaker 1: And what do they call it in Europe? Well, I

484
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Speaker 1: mean because it was part of the NFL, so was

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Speaker 1: NFL Europe. So we did call it football over there.

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Speaker 1: Although you're right, I mean every time we mentioned football,

487
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Speaker 1: they were thinking something completely difficent. But so it was

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Speaker 1: mostly American football, is what the term would be to

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Speaker 1: where we were doing American football? There it is. But

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Speaker 1: let's get back to this four time Pro Bowler, two

491
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Speaker 1: time first team All Pro, led two different teams of

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I mean his story. I just watched

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Speaker 1: his movie. I was I was flying over here, I think,

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Speaker 1: and I turned on his movie and like, he's the

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Speaker 1: kind of guy you just root for because of the

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Speaker 1: adversity he overcame, because of the kind of guy he is. Like,

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Speaker 1: how how let's I'm gonna go off topic, I have nothing.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back into the game. But how true is

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Speaker 1: that movie? Well? Yeah, how true is that movie? Not

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Speaker 1: only that, I want to know, do you play a

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Speaker 1: role in casting? Do they run the actor by you? Yeah? Okay,

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Speaker 1: first of all, no role in casting whatsoever. That I

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Speaker 1: left that if there was there gonna be any influence

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Speaker 1: in our family to casting, I was leaving that to

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Speaker 1: my wife. I wasn't gonna get involved. I wasn't going

506
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Speaker 1: to screw that part up. So but and they were like,

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Speaker 1: Josh gadd is gonna play you? Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not like again, I'm not sure my wife would

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Speaker 1: beat roll happy. I like Josh Gadd, so I think

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Speaker 1: he can play the part. But we didn't have a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of say in casting, even though they did

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Speaker 1: run it by us a little bit. I had a

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Speaker 1: little more say in the script because I kind of

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Speaker 1: knew the story that I wanted to tell. It was

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Speaker 1: about really about nine ten years in the making to

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Speaker 1: get the movie made, and a big part of it

517
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Speaker 1: was just a script wasn't what I wanted it to be.

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Speaker 1: What's the story that we wanted to tell? So I

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Speaker 1: had more hand in that part of it. But to

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Speaker 1: your point, Julian, the movie is is very accurate. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's always a little bit of Hollywood, there's a little

522
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Speaker 1: bit of creativity there, but every story, every scene that

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Speaker 1: you've seen in the see in the movie was based

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Speaker 1: off of real life, based off of something that happened,

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Speaker 1: so that there wasn't any scene in there where you

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Speaker 1: go oh that was made up so like I'll just

527
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Speaker 1: give you an example in the movie. When I have

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Speaker 1: my perst arena practice, we're out in that you know

529
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Speaker 1: that cornfield, you know, playing with the bills of hay

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Speaker 1: as the as the sidelines or as the as the walls. Now,

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Speaker 1: when it was my first practice, we were actually in

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Speaker 1: a park, but they did have veils of day up

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Speaker 1: as you know, the walls. They took two big giant

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Speaker 1: telephone poles and stuck them with down as our goalpost.

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Speaker 1: So you know, they dramatize it a little bit, as

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Speaker 1: they put it in a cow casture, but the essence

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Speaker 1: of the story and what it was like when I

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Speaker 1: first walked up to that park, going seriously like, you know,

539
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: if I throw a ball a little bit wide, I

540
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: got a guy going over the top of the heayvial,

541
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: like what are we doing here? Like how did I

542
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Speaker 1: get here? But you know, so there's a little bit

543
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: of hollywathing, but it's all based on one relfe. Well,

544
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Speaker 1: I just want to let you know, I think you're

545
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: better looking than who they casted though, Kurt Awesome. See

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Speaker 1: how you get to say that? Now, I'm not sure

547
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: it's true, but but I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. No,

548
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: So it goes from bagging groceries to the AFL to

549
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: his own movie to his own Super Bowl MVP. I mean,

550
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: it's it's unreal now going into this game. How crazy

551
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: different this is your first time. I mean, he's a

552
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: he was a rookie, and to be able to have

553
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: to deal with all the distractions, there's so many distractions

554
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: going into a Super Bowl, especially as a first time

555
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: player in the league. Guy gets hurt, who's stud Yeah,

556
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: any thing was a killer. But you're are you like

557
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: kind of like I'm ready, dude, this offense is insane.

558
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: Do you just feel like something like someone just handed

559
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Speaker 1: you the keys to the sickest car ever and they're

560
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: like enjoy Well, you know, Julian, so much of this

561
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: game is about finding the right fit for what you

562
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Speaker 1: do as a player, And so obviously nobody knew anything

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00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: about me when I took over. Well, you know, going

564
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Speaker 1: back to the idea that I played arena football. The

565
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: beautiful thing about arena football is we never hit in

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Speaker 1: the football off Like we threw it every sat. We

567
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: were expected to score every time we had the ball,

568
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, score seventy plus points a game. So when

569
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Speaker 1: I got to Saint Louis and I had all these

570
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Speaker 1: these weapons around me, I was like, this is how

571
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Speaker 1: we're supposed to play. You know, we had Marshall in

572
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Speaker 1: the backfield, but we rather throw it to Marshall than

573
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Speaker 1: added to on most situations. And you know, I remember,

574
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Speaker 1: you know, we'd scoring thirty five to forty points a

575
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Speaker 1: game and people would be like, you guys are unbelievable.

576
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: And I remember thinking, he's talking about we're putting twice

577
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Speaker 1: a game, Like we got to figure out this problem here,

578
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: because we're not supposed to be putting. So my mentality

579
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: was to score, to throw, to be you know, to

580
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Speaker 1: do what I was doing in the reading football. And

581
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Speaker 1: like you said, the beautiful thing was I had a

582
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Speaker 1: bunch of pieces around me that were so talented that

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Speaker 1: allowed me to do what I had been doing for years. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, as much as you're you know, you still

585
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Speaker 1: have to convince yourself you can do it at the

586
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Speaker 1: highest level. Right, we're all competent, we all get done

587
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: with college and it's like, oh yeah, we could play

588
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But there's always that period where you

589
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: really do have to convince yourself like, are gonna be

590
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: there in Okay, Yes, I thought I could. I can't

591
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Speaker 1: do it. I felt I was more than ready for

592
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Speaker 1: the opportunity. The system fit exactly what I did well,

593
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: and the aggressive approach that we took. And then, like

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00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: you said, couple that with I mean hall of famers

595
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: at both wide receivers and main wide receiver spots, hall

596
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Speaker 1: of famer in the backfield, fame left tackle. I mean,

597
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: it was like the perfect storm. Defense was freaking good.

598
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: The defense, defense, defense was good, and you know what

599
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: we did well. It played their strengths. But you know,

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00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: Julie and I often tell people like my story was crazy,

601
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: and it took me a while to get there. But

602
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: if somebody looked you in the eye when you were

603
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Speaker 1: twelve years old and you were dreaming about playing in

604
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Speaker 1: the NFL, and they said, by the time you're twenty eight,

605
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: you'll have one an MVP, won a Super Bowl and

606
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl MVP, would you take it? Heck, yeah,

607
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: you take it. So it took me a while to

608
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: get there, but because everything happened in that first year,

609
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: I was kind of catapulted into the position I would

610
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Speaker 1: have loved to have been. Anyways, at that stage in

611
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Speaker 1: my career and I could just kind of hit the

612
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Speaker 1: ground running and go from there, you know. And I'm

613
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Speaker 1: a firm believer because I have a very similar type story.

614
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: It took me four or five years to get my

615
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: position solidified into the offense. I had to do everything

616
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: I had to do. That everything happens for a reason,

617
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, Like you playing in the AFL. That set

618
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: you up to like, all right, throwing the ball all

619
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Speaker 1: the time, That's what I'm used to. This, This is

620
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Speaker 1: what I do, you know what I mean. Gives you

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Speaker 1: that self confidence. Like for me, it was playing in

622
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Speaker 1: Ohio in college, like in a cold weather area, like

623
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Speaker 1: I was a California kid. I would go out to

624
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Speaker 1: Ohio and never been out there, and then it kind

625
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: of like trained me that when I got to New England,

626
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Speaker 1: like all right, this is what I'm used to, you know,

627
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Speaker 1: I'm used to this. And like your story always has

628
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: these crazy little things that just end up always working

629
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Speaker 1: for you. Oh this is an inspiring guest man. Next

630
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Speaker 1: time I have diarrhea, I'm going to be like, this

631
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: is going to inspire me to eat better tomorrow. So

632
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Speaker 1: it's all about the greater plan. So Curtin, you know,

633
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: an inspiring player man, and this year you're going up

634
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: against the Titans, who like they're a sick team. I mean,

635
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: you're going up against Aaron McNair, Eddie George was a

636
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 1: beast curse on defense. He's thinking about curse. Yeah, I

637
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: saw you take so many like in the movie again,

638
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: I'll go back to the movie. Did your college coach

639
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: always tell you to stay in the pocket? Okay, so

640
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: that story, So here's here's part of Hollywood, right, Julian.

641
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: That actually the klkkirk drill where I had to do

642
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: that say in the pocket, get hit by oh my,

643
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: But it's actually happened in high school. Okay, So because

644
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: we didn't really tell my high school story. I started

645
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: playing quarterback when I was in freshman in high school. Yeah,

646
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: and I was a wide receiver before that. So I

647
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: just wanted to get out. I just wanted to run

648
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: out there in space. I didn't want to get hit.

649
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: So that drill actually happened through my high school career.

650
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: They just kind of pushed it into the college atmosphere

651
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: in the movie because of that. But that drill was real.

652
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: I hated that drill with a passion. I didn't want

653
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: to have any part of it. But you know, to

654
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: your point, when things happened for a recent you know,

655
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: when I started playing quarterback, that was my greatest weakness.

656
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: My greatest weakness is I didn't want to stay in

657
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: the pocket. I wanted to get out of the pocket.

658
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to move. I didn't want to take a hit.

659
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: And if you ask people to define my career, one

660
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: of the things that would define my when it was

661
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: all said and done was I would stand in the

662
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: pocket and take a kid and deliver a throw like

663
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: various you guys in the league. So ironically enough, those

664
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: kind of things as you're talking about, helped to define me,

665
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: helped to shape me, and would ultimately be you know,

666
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: those things that set me apart when I actually got

667
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: to where I won could meet and Sam. That's that's

668
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: very you know, that's a competitor at the highest level

669
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: is someone who can actually take in coaching. There's a

670
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: lot of guys that work hard. There's a lot of

671
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: guys that go out and run and sprint and they'll

672
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: sit and do the throws all day, and but it's

673
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: it's really about figuring out what you have to do.

674
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: Working hard, at that and then when you get results

675
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: from that, that's that shows you that that's why he's

676
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: so great because he sat in there too, in the pocket,

677
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: because I mean you watch his game. I mean that

678
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: was a physical defense and you set up in that pocket.

679
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: I saw you get your your pick up your teeth

680
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: a couple times off off the ground. With the way

681
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: these guys were hitting, especially back in those days. Yeah, no,

682
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: it was it was a game. They had a good defense.

683
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: And so ironically enough, when were talking about that game

684
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: against the Titans, you know, we were six and oh

685
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: that season and actually played the Titans so very similar

686
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: to the whole Baker Its dynasty starting. You know, we

687
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: played them in the middle of the year. We beat them.

688
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: We played the Titans in the middle of the year.

689
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: The Titans beat us. They gave us our first loss

690
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: as a team that year. But we were down like, yeah, exactly,

691
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: we were down like twenty four of three in that

692
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: game or twenty four to nothing in that game and

693
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: came back and we missed a few goals at the

694
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: end to tie that game up and hit then whatever

695
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: happens to me, there were there. We was so much

696
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: about that game that helped to define who we were

697
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: right that it's easy sometimes the athletes going well and

698
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: not playing good teams six and oh what happens when

699
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: you get hit them? Mount You know what happens when

700
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: things don't go your way. And the first time with

701
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: that group, we had to respond. We had to see

702
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: what we were made of as a football team. And

703
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: so ultimately all of that stuff okay, and we played them,

704
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: they beat us. We're playing with the super Bowl, but

705
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: we knew what we were capable of. We knew what

706
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: happened in that game. We knew we had a chance

707
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: to beat them in the super Bowl. And you take

708
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: some of that stuff and you take it with you

709
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: into the Super Bowl of Okay, this is what it's

710
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: going to take. This is the time of type of

711
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: team that we're faced facing. But they were good. They

712
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: were aggressive. They would hit both offensively and defensively. With

713
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: Eddie George on the offense, they were all about punishing

714
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: you and making you feel it. And on defense they

715
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: were gonna blitch you and hit you. And they came

716
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: after me a lot in that game. But there was

717
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: that fun cat and mouse of them blitzed and us

718
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to attack the blitz and

719
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: great football game. There's a bunch there was it, a

720
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: bunch of man blitz. I didn't have like a coach

721
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: cut up. I was watching it off the things because

722
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: if you guys are running a bunch of crossers and

723
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: then it seemed like when they hit the zone, you'd

724
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: hit that deep out or if they were going into

725
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: like a quarters coverage or some kind of soft coverage,

726
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: you were hitting like the bows and the deep out

727
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: and stuff. Is that true? Is that what it was? Yeah? No,

728
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: there was a little bubble, but you know, we like

729
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: to do a lot of empty stuff, so it was

730
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: almost like they had an empty check. Anytime we were

731
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: going to go five out, they were gonna come after

732
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: me and hit me. So it's like, okay, you can

733
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: complete the vault, but we're gonna make you feel it.

734
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: And in that game, I mean, I don't know what

735
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: in the first half. We threw for almost three hundred

736
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: yards in the first half light it only problem was

737
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: we couldn't get the inZone right area. We're doing all

738
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: this fun stuff between the twenties, but none of it

739
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: matter because we couldn't get in the end zone. I mean,

740
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: we could have blown them out early in that game.

741
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: But you know, we scored sixteen points I think at

742
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: the half, and we just couldn't put them put them away.

743
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: And that's ultimately what would lead to you know what

744
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: happens in the second half, and then it turned it

745
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: into you know, just a just a great football game,

746
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: especially down in the end. Well in the in the

747
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: second half, Aaron McNair turned it on. Eddie George was

748
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: running all over you guys. I mean when you when

749
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: you make that play to Isaac Bruce, when you when

750
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: you that, I mean, what was going through your head

751
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: on that drive? Well, I mean, you know, here's the thing.

752
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how much she went. It's the same

753
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: for you, Julian. I know you played some quarterback, but

754
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: growing up like it didn't if you dream of playing

755
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL, you play the you know, the Super

756
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: Bowl in your front yard over and over again. You know,

757
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: whether you're the receiver that's making the player, the running

758
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: back of the quarterback, and so you know, every time

759
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: I would watch every year I watched Super Bowl and

760
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: then me and my brother are going out in the

761
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: front yard and would play in the Super Bowl in

762
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: the front Yeah, you know, and every time you played

763
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: in your front yard, the balls in your hands with

764
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: you know, a few seconds to go when you're down,

765
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: and then you always throw the touchdown pass to win

766
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So when I get into the Super

767
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: Bowl and actually we're up sixteen nothing, Titans tied at

768
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: sixteen sixteen, you know, Dick Bermiro actually was talking to

769
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: me on the sideline and he's just like, Kurt, you've

770
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: played this game a million time. You know you wanted

771
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: to have the ball in your hands with two minutes

772
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: to go and win the Super Bowl. That would do it,

773
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, So I played it out in my head,

774
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: but in your head, like you throw the pass as

775
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: the clock's running out. Right in this game, we get

776
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: the ball with two minutes to go, and it's the

777
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: first pass I throw. I throw the pass to Isaac

778
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: and he runs for a touchdown. And so you know,

779
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: kind of in your mind based on what's happening to like,

780
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: we just won the Super Bowl, and you don't really realize,

781
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: hold on a second, there's still a minute fifty to go,

782
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: and there's a great players. There are great players on

783
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: the other side that have an opportunity to win it.

784
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: You can't just walk away just because you threw that

785
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: touchdown pass. So it was a great moment because everybody

786
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: dreams of that moment of making that play in that

787
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: moment to win the Super Bowl. It was just the

788
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: only problem is that I had to see him on

789
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: the sideline for the next minute fifty and watch as

790
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Steve mcdair and company methodically moved the ball down the

791
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: field and had a chance to steal that victory. Front. Now,

792
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: on that play, when you when you hit Bruce on

793
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: the sideline, it seemed like a two man type play.

794
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: Was it a two man or did that safety just

795
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: get over there? No, it was just it was just

796
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: a fan play. So to god, we had talked about

797
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: that all week long because back in the day Samari

798
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: rolling company with the Titans, they'd love to play high

799
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: shoulder technique Julian, So we knew that if we were

800
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: going to throw go routes, go routes that you know

801
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: that year and again, it wasn't like now like now,

802
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: the back shoulder is like, I mean, you know that's

803
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: something that everybody goes to. Back in that day, back

804
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: shoulder wasn't really a thing. But we knew they played

805
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: I shoulder technique, and so what we worked on all

806
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: week was if we're going to throw that go route,

807
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: we're just going to try to set it up there

808
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: and kind of keep it on my guy's back shoulder.

809
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: You know it' stop to drive it now, let him

810
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: turn it gets to the back shoulder, but just kind

811
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: of lay it on his back shoulder because we knew

812
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: we'd have an advantage there. And so when he called

813
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: that play, they were showing a quarter is a four

814
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: high look, and but oftentimes they would drop out of

815
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: that four high built And so it worked out just

816
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: perfectly close nine ninety nine on the first play, which

817
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: is all go right, double seam, all go, however you

818
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: want to say it, and sure enough, safeties rolled all

819
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: in the spot, laid it up to Isaac. The guy

820
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: that came flying over was the backside saint. Yeah, you

821
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: were starting to find in the middle. But Isaac, I

822
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: mean obviously a great job not only adjusting to the

823
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: ball and catching it behind him, but then making that

824
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: move and getting into the ind zone. So you know,

825
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: you remember all those details when you're in those moments

826
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: and you're so focused and thinking about it all. You know,

827
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: you're practicing all week long and then you know, we

828
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: get all the way fifty eight minutes in the game

829
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: and we've never we didn't even call the play, you know,

830
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: but you work on that stuff and then sure enough,

831
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: in the biggest moment, it plays out exactly like you

832
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: had talked about it playing out. You know, all we

833
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: drawg as you're prefair for the game, and then you

834
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 1: know you got a great play making a great play.

835
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: Thing about that is like, so situationally a two minute

836
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: with this a tide game, like we had a Roleck situation.

837
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: We used to call it rolex where time's almost as

838
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: important as points because you want to suck it down,

839
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: suck the clock down as much as you can, like

840
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: so it was almost they scored so fast it was like, oh,

841
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: we kind of messed up, you know, you know what

842
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean, especially in a Super Bowl. I love the

843
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: idea of a coach yelling you were supposed to suck

844
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: it down right. Well, I mean, here's the thing, is

845
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: like in that Super Bowl, Julia, I won't think about

846
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: any of them, like I was thinking about get the

847
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,479
Speaker 1: ball in the inchel and you don't this game right? Well,

848
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: due to that game I did, I wasn't forced to

849
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: play it two more in my in my career, and

850
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: in both of them it played out exactly what you're

851
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: talking about. We score with a certain amount of time.

852
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: Bro Tom Brady comes down to catch a field goal

853
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: with no time on the bot. We score for two

854
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: and a half minutes to go, Big Nig jumps down,

855
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: does touchdown pasta San Antonio were thirty seconds to go

856
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: and you lose. So well, you're saying I didn't really

857
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: understand it in that moment because I wasn't even thinking

858
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: about the others, like just get points on the board

859
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 1: and we'd win the super Bowl. After going through that

860
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: gave me fortunate to win the next two times. That

861
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: was the first thing on my mind when I threw

862
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: that touchdown to Larry, you know, with the Cardinals against

863
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and I ran over the sideline. Everybody's like, we

864
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: just want a super Bowl always, and I'm like, blacks people,

865
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: there's a whole bunch of time and a lot of

866
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: good players on the other side. So you know, to

867
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: your point, I didn't think about that in the moment,

868
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: but I thought about it every moment after that when

869
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: I was in one of those two minute situations. Well,

870
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: because of those situations. I mean, Bill Belichick, I mean

871
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: we would go over this stuff all the time. You know,

872
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: to start the two minute drill, you want it you

873
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: obviously for us, we would always want to get it started.

874
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: Get a play that you're comfortable with, you're confident in.

875
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: Then you always wanted a chunk play, which is always

876
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: twenty or more yard play that keeps things going. And

877
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: then like then you it in there and do that.

878
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: But you can, like the coach would never get mad

879
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: at you if you score. I mean that you know

880
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: that manage it, I understand. I mean, like, because then

881
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: they have all this time. McNair is just relentless. There's

882
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: that sixteen yard play to Dyson where he almost goes

883
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: down but he somehow breaks free. Such an elusive runner

884
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: hits Dyson, they run, They make of course the final

885
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: play again to Dyson where he's tackled at the one

886
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: yard line. I mean, what is the vibe on on

887
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: the on the sideline? Well, I mean again, your vibe

888
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: is simply just somebody make it play, make it. You know,

889
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: that's that's all you're asking for. Like it's usually in

890
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: that setting, right, Jules, is somebody somebody make a sack,

891
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: make a sack, and all of a sudden they're they're

892
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: in second and long and you're like, okay, yes, we

893
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: got this. You know, the ball gets tipped up and

894
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, so Sam as you're talking about, I mean,

895
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: there was one play where it was like two guys

896
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: had stepee gear and it's like, this is it, this

897
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: is going to finish it. He's like ten yards behind

898
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: the line stream and the dude shakes off. Both of

899
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: our guys got one hand on the ground, and not

900
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: only does he shake himself out of that, but then

901
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 1: he buys time and he hits a twenty yard throw

902
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: down the Union. So you're just kind of like, come on,

903
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: like is this possible? And because mcneher was running around,

904
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, we had a couple of really good players

905
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: and Kevin Carter, Jamarco far those guys pulled themselves out

906
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: of the game because they were completely exhausted, you know,

907
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there going, dudes like there's a minute

908
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: left in the super Bowl, like you cannot pull yourself.

909
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: But they were so exhausted. Because Steve mcneer was just

910
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he was so incredible because he was so strong,

911
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: he was so elusive, But that's just that was my

912
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: mindset is like, somebody just step up and make it play.

913
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: And I always say it's the worst part of our

914
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: sport of the best part of our sport. Right Like

915
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: you play baseball, you get a chance to hit banfield.

916
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: You play basketball, you need to play offense and deep things.

917
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: In our spot, you do your job and then you've

918
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: got to count on everybody else to do their job.

919
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: And it's the hardest thing about it is sitting on

920
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: the sideline going, Okay, come on, somebody's got to make

921
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: a play. Somebody's got to make a marriage. I heard

922
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: the lawn, you clean the goddamn dishes. Yeah, but then

923
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, Jules. But then the best part of it

924
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: is when you go down and score, and then you

925
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: know somebody comes down on the other end, knockolm Butler

926
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: thumbs down on the other end and makes that player

927
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: on the one yard line to finish the game. You're like,

928
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,760
Speaker 1: there's nothing better than celebrating knowing everybody on your football

929
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: team needed to play to a certain level for you

930
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: to win a championship. That is the greatest thing about

931
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: our sport, the greatest thing about team sports, right, It's

932
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: tough standing over there on the sideline because you always believe, well,

933
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm in there, I'll make the play, like I trust me.

934
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: But now you've got to trust everybody else to do

935
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: their thing. And that's the hardest part about it, but

936
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: also the most warrant fund. It is the ultimate team sport.

937
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: Like GUS, you really have to rely on other people,

938
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: and everyone's accountable in this sport, fifty three men, not

939
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: just the offense, not just the defense, the special teams, guys.

940
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean you could lose a game on special teams

941
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: with the flub, snap, block, punt, anything like that. Everyone

942
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,919
Speaker 1: has a role and everyone has to do their job.

943
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's said by a professional. That makes

944
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: it almost did that make it sweeter? I Mean you're like,

945
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: we all did something, we all this is all of us.

946
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: You know that's pretty cool, No, it is. I mean,

947
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: there's no question about and I think it helps you

948
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: to truly appreciate what our game is all about. And

949
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: you know, and I think one of the cool things

950
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: too about that year was as you guys talked about,

951
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: everybody was talking about the offense, Like we were all

952
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: about the offense. It was all about our reference. It

953
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: was all about the greatest showing. That's all anybody talks about. Jules,

954
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: you mentioned it. We had a really good defense and

955
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: we had a lot of really good players on our

956
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: defense that did I mean, our defense scored towards a

957
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: number of times that year. You know, we got the points,

958
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: you know, we set the records, but our defense set

959
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: us up for so many days, but they just never

960
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: got the credit. So that was another beautiful part about

961
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl is those guys needed to make a play,

962
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: and those guys stepped up in The reason we won

963
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: was because they made that tackle. They made that play

964
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: in the moment, and so I think that was pretty

965
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: special as well, because they didn't get nearly the credit

966
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: they deserved because everybody was looking at us. Is that

967
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: the greatest offense in the history of the game. Yes,

968
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, No, I mean I think it was. Again,

969
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: I say that, you know, because there's obviously against some

970
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: great offense. Yeah, I mean the Denver team, whatever team

971
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: lost the Super Bowl. Though I know Sam, he's a

972
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: Giants fan. It's a team sport. It's a team sport.

973
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: But the reason I say that, Jewels just because we

974
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: did it at a time when you were supposed to

975
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: be able to do that. Like now, everybody kind of

976
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: does it, like you know, everybody plays a certain we

977
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: played the game in a different way. Back then. Everybody thought, well,

978
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: you've got to run the football to win, you got

979
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: to run the football to be successful. And we, you know,

980
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: through across the winner said no, you don't. Like if

981
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: you're good enough, if you got the players, if you

982
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: can execute, and so we kind of ushered in a

983
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: new era of football. And what we did consistently for

984
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: three years coupled with the players that we had, right,

985
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that always is a part. We

986
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 1: had great players as well as we consistently played well,

987
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: but over five hundred y'all five hundred points three straight

988
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: years in an era where you just didn't see that

989
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. And then again to usher in what

990
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: we see as the NFL now. I still think, you know,

991
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: I would put that off sides up against anybody that's

992
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: ever played in this era or that era. Right. I

993
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: believe that offense could step into this era and we

994
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: would set records in this era. That's how good I

995
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: think we were. Yeah, they revolutionized the game. They basically

996
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: they had the offense that every offense is now. I

997
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: mean this West Coast, I mean you got a little

998
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: bit more this run game with like the Kyle Shanahan stuff,

999
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: but you know, the spread them and shred them. Yeah,

1000
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: that's the greatest show on turf. And it almost came.

1001
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: It was almost an advantage because these teams were built

1002
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: to stop the run. It's kind of like when the

1003
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 1: old Niners would go out and play in the eighties,

1004
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: when Bill Walsh would have the fullback catching little diagonals

1005
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: and they're getting their run game through short passes. These

1006
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: teams were built with the whole forty six, the old

1007
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: Bear defense. These big ass linebackers like they weren't made

1008
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: to cover. So it's like extraordinarily like revolutionary for these

1009
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: coaches that actually implemented this system to go on and it,

1010
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's changed the game. It's changed how players are,

1011
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: it's changed the size of players, the speed of players

1012
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: because of that offense in that West Coast. Now you've

1013
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: got defensive linemen that are running four to four, that

1014
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: are two hundred and twenty three pounds, two hundred and

1015
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: thirty five pounds when they used to be two sixty.

1016
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: Big old dudes that would plug the middle that you

1017
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: know that that field, it's it's changed. And I do

1018
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: believe that they could step into this game right now

1019
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: and be an elite team with I mean, I think

1020
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: you would probably be better because you and like you

1021
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: sneeze on a quarterback now like yeah, you get a penalty.

1022
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean you sneeze in a quarterback. Now you give

1023
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: them COVID. That's what happens. No, you know, uh, it's

1024
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: so true. And Marshall was really such a weapon because

1025
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: he could run the ball. But then he's as good

1026
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: as any receiver. He was unstoppable. He was you know,

1027
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: he can show problem. He was the key piece you

1028
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: know that that are you know, we had your players

1029
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: all over it could have been successful, but Marshall was

1030
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: different and it was unlike anybody else like you said

1031
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: that that played. We could put him anywhere. He was

1032
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: our ultimate pawn. Uh, you know, we could light him aboutside.

1033
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: He could run routes like a wide receiver. I mean it.

1034
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: And Julie back to your point about the best offense

1035
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: that I think what also really made us styshold was

1036
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: the way we played offense, like we would have two

1037
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pass plays going into a game.

1038
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: You know, it was it was a level of execution

1039
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: and timing. Even though we had great players, we played

1040
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: so efficiently and we did so many things efficiently and

1041
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: well and different that that to me is I think

1042
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: what sets us afar from some of the other team.

1043
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: Not that there weren't other unbelievable offense that you could

1044
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: make your argument for. It was just we were just

1045
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: a finely tuned machine and it was all about timing.

1046
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: We let it go and then here comes Isaac, just

1047
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: run out of nowhere, and we just we had the

1048
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: guys to be able to run a system like that

1049
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: where it wasn't just let me throw it up to

1050
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,240
Speaker 1: Isaac and you'll jump over somebody and make a play.

1051
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: You know, it was designed in a certain way that

1052
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: really made that group unique with all the things that

1053
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: we did, steps and timing the whole way coast and

1054
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: the fact that they could have two hundred and twenty

1055
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: five plays a week. That tells you how smart their

1056
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: players are to be able to execute that many plays.

1057
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: So that means everyone's got to work together. And if

1058
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: you have a team that's smart, I mean I've been

1059
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's that's the reason why we won

1060
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: a lot. You know, we had guys that could change

1061
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: personnel groups, different you know, formations, and you scheme up

1062
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: all this stuff like that's an advantage. You know, a

1063
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: lot of teams can't do that. A lot of teams

1064
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: have you know, fourteen and there's different philosophy in how

1065
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: to coach. A lot of guys say, hey, this is

1066
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: what we do. We do what we do and come

1067
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: beat us. You know, like it's just there's different philosophy.

1068
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: That's that's a the testament of smart football play, no question,

1069
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: because you know the two hundred twenty five plays. You

1070
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: can't practice to under twenty five pass plays in a week,

1071
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: like you don't get enough reps in practice. So you know,

1072
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: we would have plays that we would run, engage and

1073
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: we'd throw touchdowns on. We never ran to practice, wow,

1074
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: which is crea your point. It would be like we

1075
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: drawed up and we talk about it, and these guys

1076
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: were so more and we're willing to put in the

1077
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: time and go, Okay, I learned that play even though

1078
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: we didn't run in practice. Sure enough, defense gives us

1079
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: something Mike wants to call it, and our job is

1080
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: to go execute it. And so that kind of stuff

1081
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: was so much fun because it's like, how do you

1082
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, how's somebody going to stop Spike? We got

1083
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: all these players, we get all these things to hope from.

1084
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: We got these great players, and then we got smart

1085
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: guys that no matter what we need to do in

1086
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: the moment, we can adjust and make those adjustments and

1087
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: go out and executing it. Was it was so much

1088
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: fun to be fun. That's also you know, the coaches

1089
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: having a big trust in the players, because like the

1090
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: reason why you rep all this stuff like throughout the

1091
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: week is so your coaches can sleep on Saturday before

1092
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: the game. They want to be able to see it.

1093
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: They want to see it. They want to see the

1094
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: execution or in the walkthrough or in you know, the

1095
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: fact that a coach puts something in and trust you

1096
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: to go out and do that, that means there's a

1097
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: there's a there's a trust between the players and coaches

1098
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: that was obviously so special that you guys are considered.

1099
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: You know, one of the best trust was was incredible.

1100
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: We got to ask you, oh, go ahead, oh because

1101
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: you know the next year you play the Patriots in

1102
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,280
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Tom is in kind of a similar

1103
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: situation as you're in. Do you see yourself and Tom

1104
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,399
Speaker 1: a little bit that season him stepping in for Drew bledsoe. Well,

1105
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously a lot of correlations from from the

1106
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 1: standpoint of nobody really knew who we were, nobody necessarily

1107
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: expected it. You know, Drew, I think it just signed

1108
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: his one hundred million dollar contract or whatever, maybe the

1109
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: first hundred million dollar millon and Trent had just signed

1110
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: his big count drag with us when I ended up

1111
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: getting hurt. So I think there there's definitely a lot

1112
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: of similarities there. You guys mentioned a little bit earlier.

1113
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: You know, the difference was I had played a lot

1114
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: of football and you know, I was twenty eight years

1115
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: old at the time. You know, wasn't just a second

1116
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: year guy coming out of college to you know, get

1117
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: in the scene. But of course, you know there was

1118
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: there was definitely some similarities to how it played out,

1119
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: and then the fact that it played out, you know,

1120
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: so close together, you know, within two years of each other,

1121
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: kind of the the same thing happened, and then sure

1122
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: enough they end up in the super Bowl, and obviously

1123
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: Tom ends up leading his team to a win in

1124
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Uh, you know, a late win in

1125
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So there were so many correlations and

1126
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: they beat you or you guys beat them in the

1127
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: regular season yep. And the Giants beat us in the

1128
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: regular or we beat the Giants in the regular season,

1129
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: then they beat it. You know, it's just it's crazy

1130
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: how history repeats itself. Well, and then we got to

1131
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: ask you. You know, coach Dick vermil known as a crier,

1132
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: how many times have you seen him cry? Maybe you

1133
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: can't put a number on. Wow. You know, one of

1134
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: my one of my greatest stories is I remember we

1135
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: were we were in the little training camp and it

1136
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: was right around the times that they had to make cuts,

1137
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: and you know, we had this guy or a team

1138
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: that was like the fifth string tight end. So like

1139
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: everybody knew the guy wasn't making the team. You know, i'

1140
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: another person and we were all but everybody knew he

1141
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: wasn't making the team. And you know, I remember Dick

1142
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: Vermeil coming into a huddle after he had to release

1143
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: this guy. And so you know, for most of us

1144
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: it's probably like, oh they're releasing him, good, I got

1145
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: a better shot to make the team. But Dick Vermeil's

1146
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: in the middle of this huddle in training camp, but

1147
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: he's frying because he had to release our fifteen tight

1148
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: end and we're like, what's going on here, Like, what's

1149
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: really what? It was just kind of a Peter inside

1150
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 1: of who Dick for Meal was, like he was all

1151
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: about his players. He wanted what was best for all

1152
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: the players. He wanted everybody to truly make the team. Like,

1153
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: I know, you know how much this hurts me that

1154
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 1: this guy, because I think he's a great guy, will

1155
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: not be able to fulk phill his tream. And so

1156
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: there was story after story like that with Dick for

1157
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: Meal that you just you know, he's just such a

1158
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 1: phenomenal individual. And I remember when I was playing Boom,

1159
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: I talked to guys that played for him when he

1160
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: was a high school coach, and they would tell me

1161
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: how Dick would call him every two weeks and they

1162
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: still had a great relationship and you know, always wants

1163
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: to call and know what's going on. I mean, he

1164
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: is just such a unique individual that truly was as

1165
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: a head coach is should be out for every single

1166
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: one of the players. That was the most important thing

1167
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: is each one of these guys individually, trying to help

1168
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: them to achieve the best of what they can achieve.

1169
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: And so I was very, very fortunate to be around

1170
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: a guy like that. And you know, I think my

1171
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: greatest compliment for him is that, you know, when people

1172
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: ask me about my coaches, that's kind of the first

1173
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: guy that comes to mind, you know. And I've had

1174
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: some great coaches over the years, but it's the first

1175
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: guy that comes to mind. And when I go back

1176
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: and think about it once, you have to realize is

1177
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: you can count my year before we won the Super Bowl,

1178
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: but you know, I was third string guy whatever, wasn't

1179
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: in that role. I only played one year to dig

1180
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: for me like that year we wanted to see. He

1181
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: retired right after that Super Bowl. So in my mind,

1182
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: the first thing I think is, oh, yeah, you know, coach.

1183
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: For me as a coach, I think about like we

1184
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: were together forever, We had this freak relationship and I

1185
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: have to actually sit that, my gosh, we were together

1186
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: for one year. That was the kind of impact that

1187
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: this man had on me in one year because of

1188
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: the person that he was more than the coach that

1189
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: he was, And that, to me is probably the greatest

1190
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: compliment that I can give. Don't don't bring up how

1191
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: little time you spent together because it might make him cry,

1192
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: so we don't want to. That's a good leader though, Yeah,

1193
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean that's the best leadership right there. When when

1194
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: you care that much, that's that's just that's gonna make

1195
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: it contagious for other players to want to be able

1196
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: to work hard. I love that he cried so much here, Like, like,

1197
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: what happened? Did you just watch Schindler's List? He's like, now,

1198
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: we cut the fifth string tight end, that's what happened exactly. Well, uh,

1199
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: what about the bobb and weave? Did you ever do

1200
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: the bobbom weave? I only did it one time June.

1201
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: So first of all, I'm way too slow, So you know,

1202
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: we scored from a long waist away often times, so

1203
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: bob and weave is usually over by the time I

1204
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: got Steens. But I did try to stay out of it.

1205
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, tried to let that be

1206
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: the other guys. Thing is that you know, whoever scored,

1207
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: and then our offensive lineman loves to run down there.

1208
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: They try to jump in and be a part of

1209
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: that bob and weaves and want to take the shine.

1210
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: That's that's a leader telling you right now, you just

1211
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: inspire me. It was fun to watch everybody, you know,

1212
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: just enjoy that moment, like you know, I got enough,

1213
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: you know, the spotlight for different things and for what

1214
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: I was doing that season. It was fun for me

1215
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: to watch those guys have their moment and those guys

1216
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: get together. But that actually came from the late great

1217
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: Frank Gann's who was a great special teams coach in

1218
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: the league. He was unbelievable in terms of the way

1219
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: he motivated guys. You know, quarterbacks never go to special

1220
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 1: teams meeting, but whenever we didn't have our own meeting,

1221
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 1: we would find our way in there because he was

1222
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: so great with motivation. And so the Bob and Weaves

1223
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: came from a video of Muhammad Ali that he was

1224
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 1: showing of guys trying to get him fired up for

1225
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: something that you know, it was Bob and Weave him

1226
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: always dancing around and moving and somehow out of that

1227
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: is where we came with this Bob and Weave, which

1228
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: was you know, kind of a boxing reference, but that became,

1229
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, our kind of symbol of what we were

1230
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: all about. And Bob and we kind of like you know,

1231
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali. You know, we're kind of the pretty ones.

1232
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: You know, was really great tot show on Turf and

1233
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 1: it was kind of a fun little mantras for wrong

1234
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 1: guys because we kind of played very similar to way

1235
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali bossed. Yeah, that's I never knew that. I

1236
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: didn't know it came from Ali. I got a quick,

1237
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: quick question and we got to settle something. You know,

1238
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: we had a little interaction on social media recently about

1239
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: the gloves, and you know, I want to apologize, but

1240
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: I do want to let you know. You want to know,

1241
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl where you didn't have a glove

1242
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: and then you lost the Super Bowl when you had

1243
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: the glove, So technically I'm not wrong on it. I mean,

1244
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: why do you go to glob You're gonna have your preference.

1245
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: That's actually a that's a great question and a great story.

1246
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: So strength, Well, when I was in Saint Lewis, I

1247
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: suffered a number of hand injuries and there it is

1248
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: a lot of speculation on you know, why ended up

1249
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: not staying in Saint Louis after that, But here's what

1250
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: happened to Julian is that you know, when I would

1251
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: be out there practicing and throwing the football. And even

1252
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 1: when I played after some of those hand injuries, I

1253
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: was completed in sixty seven sixty eight percent of my passes.

1254
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: I was completing the balls that I expected myself to

1255
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 1: complete and practice all of this stuff. But I remember

1256
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: reading an article that said, you know, and again I'm

1257
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 1: sure there was more speculation than anything. There was no

1258
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: way to back up the facts, but basically saying, oh,

1259
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: the reason you know, Kurse not in Saint Louis anymore

1260
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: was because he suffered these hand injuries and he doesn't

1261
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: have the same strength and he can't control the football

1262
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: like he did before. And so part of me, like

1263
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: I think a lot of athletes want to do, is

1264
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: we want to take that you know article and rip

1265
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: it up and throw it away. And it's like, that's

1266
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of ds, Like I don't know what they're

1267
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: talking about. All they got to do is come out

1268
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: and see me throw blah blah. The other part though,

1269
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 1: the other parts, but the other part said, what if,

1270
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: what if there is a little bit of spruce to this,

1271
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, what could I possibly do? Right? And I think,

1272
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: to me, that's what, you know, we all want to

1273
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: be as great players as like, I know what I

1274
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: can do, but is there something tony in your point earlier?

1275
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: Is there something that's holding me back? Is there something

1276
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: that's positively stopping me from being the best that I

1277
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: could be? And so, so when I got to Arizona,

1278
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: I actually wasn't starting at the time, but I went

1279
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: like on a nine week quest trying in all the

1280
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: different gloves, like a sticky wide receiver gloves. I ended

1281
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: up watching den Louthisberg to play on a Monday night

1282
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: in cold weather. So then in cold weather every once

1283
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: in a while would throw a glove on with the leather,

1284
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: the leather gloves, yeah, the old leather gloves. And so

1285
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, h never even thought about that. I didn't

1286
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: even know they made it me at the time. So

1287
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: I went and got myself some leather gloves and went

1288
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: through the process, started to get comfortable with the gloves.

1289
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget that Matt Ladder was playing. He

1290
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: got injured, you know, second to last game of the

1291
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: year and you know six and you know, so obviously

1292
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: I was going in. I read my quarterback coach coming

1293
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: over to me and going, hey, coach, Screen wants to know,

1294
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: are you really going to play with those gloves? Because

1295
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: I had never played in a game with the gloves before.

1296
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: I had just been experimenting in practice, and I'm like,

1297
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: two games to go, we're not going anywhere. I mean,

1298
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: I've been trying this out. We got to give it

1299
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: a shot. So played in that game, played really well,

1300
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: played really well in the last game, and then I said, Okay,

1301
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: this is a full time thing now. So from then

1302
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: on I got the gloves. I wore the gloves. And

1303
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: before you ask that question, Jo, I'm just gonna say,

1304
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: to this day, I have no idea if the gloves

1305
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: help me or not. Like there was one thing, There's

1306
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: not one thing I could point you to say. Oh yeah,

1307
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: when I put the gloves on, it shot the ball

1308
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: better than I did. I don't know, but her My

1309
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: whole point was it didn't hurt me so and I

1310
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that nothing held me back from

1311
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: being able to accomplish what I wanted to accomplish. And

1312
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: so it all led back to that one article where

1313
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: someone was critical of being able to be going, Hey,

1314
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: I got to challenge both sides. And that was in

1315
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. I was at Kent State two

1316
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: thousand and six, two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight,

1317
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: and I was playing quarterback. I remember seeing him wear

1318
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: a glove, so I went and wore a glove. And

1319
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: the reason why I always said, I don't want to

1320
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: go with the quarterback who's wearing a glove, because then

1321
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: I was only doing it because I couldn't throw. I

1322
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: couldn't grip the ball. I wasn't a good thrower, so

1323
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: I was trying to get anything like he said, to

1324
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: get the high passeray, but it's different. But like so

1325
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: going back to the point of me not liking quarterbacks

1326
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 1: with gloves, because I was that quarterback that was already

1327
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: pre snap thinking, hey, is this glove going to work?

1328
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: If I'm thinking about my glove, if I'm thinking about

1329
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: my grip, Like how am I supposed to read a defense,

1330
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: get a play communicated, go out, and like that should

1331
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: be the last thing I'm thinking about. So like that,

1332
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't know you know what I mean. So that's

1333
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: why I went on that. I just wanted to Paul.

1334
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: I didn't want to offend you more dout your mindset

1335
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 1: on me was I was never worried I be able

1336
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: to make it. I've never crossed my mind when I

1337
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: went up to that. So just because you had that,

1338
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: that was not my mindset. I know. But I've also

1339
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: thrown with thousands of quarterbacks and anytime a guy comes

1340
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: on with the glove. I mean, I've done a little

1341
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: data analysis. Okay, that analysis. Bring it on, Bring it on.

1342
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. We got to run some routes. I've been

1343
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: traded with some little some young guys, and so I

1344
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: got to throw it every once in a while. Let's go.

1345
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm running down. I'm ready. I've been training. Let's go, Kurt,

1346
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: set on the double gloves and the quarterbacks that you

1347
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 1: want to play with. Well, dude, you've been such a

1348
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 1: great guest. Kurt, we really shit you giving us your

1349
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: time and this was such a fun game to revisit.

1350
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. Appreciate thanks for

1351
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: having me. And I really do mean when I say

1352
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: he's like just his story, the man he lives, like

1353
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 1: the guy he is with his family, his his on

1354
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: the field performances, off the field performance, his just his

1355
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: ability to be a great man is really truly inspirational.

1356
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: I hit you up one night. I think I may

1357
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: have had like a cocktail of me. I saw a

1358
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: story about him. I was like, damn, I I DMed him.

1359
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: Like Kurt Warner, I just want to say, you inspire me.

1360
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? I do remember remember that. I

1361
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: love a shit face. Julianne. Just hitting you up, like, dude,

1362
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,439
Speaker 1: you the best. It's cool at the end of the day, right,

1363
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: I mean, we can have our great pitcherformances in Super Bowls,

1364
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: but I think at the end of the day, you

1365
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: realize those come and go and players come that are

1366
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: better than us. You can leave some kind of him

1367
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: act in impression all the people around you. Then that's

1368
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: what you really wanted the game a lot, so so

1369
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate onemost like that. All right, Well, thank you

1370
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: so much, Kurt. It's a pleasure talking to you. Appreciate you.

1371
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on. How crazy was the year before?

1372
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: Tom Brady gets his opportunity by the starting quarterback getting

1373
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: knocked out, The same exact thing happens for Kurt Warner.

1374
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: Yeah with Green Matt what is his name, Trent Green? Yeah,

1375
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: that's gotta hurt. They don't remember his name. Like that's like,

1376
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: you're not forgetting Kurt Warner's name. Yeah, and that's a

1377
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: that's my bad because Trent Green does a lot of

1378
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: our games. We've had production. He was a really good

1379
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: football player, but terrific quarterback. But he's not. Well, everybody

1380
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: could have been, could have a lot of its opportunity, right,

1381
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: could have, should have, would have, could have, should have

1382
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: would have. There's an old saying, if I hope your

1383
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: coworker doesn't hear that, that's painful. I know it's but

1384
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: it's I mean, that's the real the realistic. Yeah, you know,

1385
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner goes on, gets m VP of the season,

1386
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: MVP of the Super Bowl. Yeah, and then is part

1387
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: of one of the most legendary offenses of all time,

1388
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: which he does believe he could dominate. Did he say

1389
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: dominate in this this year? Yeah, I agreed this league

1390
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 1: now twenty twenty two, that offense, don't you think they

1391
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: could still dominate. They'd be pretty good. They were built

1392
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 1: for it. They were they were gonna spread them and

1393
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: shred them. Let's get five wide, Let's get Marshall falk

1394
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: On a insane matchup against a linebacker and let him

1395
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: do his work. The linebackers would cover a little better

1396
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 1: now though, Yeah, true, you know that the league has

1397
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: changed back in those days, but they change because of

1398
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: a team like this, because of this team. Yeah, and

1399
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: honestly it's really because of the forty nine ers. That's

1400
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: what happened back in eighty five when they threw out

1401
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: the bear defense is an No. Forty six and the

1402
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: Niners came out and they were the team that were

1403
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: spreading the ball out. They were they were getting two

1404
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: three yard passes and getting catching run plays, which you know,

1405
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: that's where it really he started. They moved on and

1406
01:11:02,760 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: developed it into their their little uh stick of their

1407
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: of their day stick stick. That's I've never heard anyone

1408
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: describe football. This is how you know. You get two

1409
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: Jews running the podcast here, what shtick are you planning

1410
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: for the next play? The offensive stick? I think, uh

1411
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: it learned a lot from Kurt Warner. For one thing,

1412
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: he did not care for my masturbation humor. Uh now

1413
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: that did not go over. Well. He's got guy. He's

1414
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: a god guy. He's a god guy. He's a god guy.

1415
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: Really that that doesn't land with them all. I really

1416
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: blew it there. That was a really early bombed for

1417
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: a legend. Uh No, he's a he's a what a

1418
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: professional though. You see he didn't really show you that

1419
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: that like he didn't like it, but he kind of

1420
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: you saw it in his eye and then he kept it,

1421
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:51,440
Speaker 1: he kept it moving. He didn't he didn't acknowledge itledge

1422
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: almost hurt more than discussed where you're just like, oh,

1423
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: you're nothing to me. But uh, now he's incredible. He

1424
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: was fascinating. We learned, uh for the over under for

1425
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 1: the prop bet Dick for Meal crying, it was supposed

1426
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: to be three point five. It sounds like it was

1427
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 1: more than three point five, but we didn't get a number.

1428
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: Can we go to the books? What do you think

1429
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna count it as a win? As a win? Now,

1430
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: if this was a if this was in Vegas right

1431
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 1: now and I was running a casino, I would say

1432
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:19,759
Speaker 1: that's fucking bullshit. Really, Yeah, you didn't give no number.

1433
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: Maybe I'd may be issue a push he said countless countless.

1434
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: I believe it sounds like the number was huge, is

1435
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 1: what I'm guessing, because because he cried about a guy

1436
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: a fifth tight end getting cut, So that's gotta be like,

1437
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: if you're crying about that, what a man with a heart.

1438
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: It may be maybe he's just a bitch. No, no,

1439
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: he's he's clearly a good man. I'm just a wonderful man.

1440
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: Isn't he the one who gave Vince Papali his opportunity

1441
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia Eagles. I believe that's right. LT used

1442
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: to send hookers to the opposing team. Maybe maybe the

1443
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: opposing he would send Dick for meal copy of like

1444
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: Marley and Me or something like just break him, just

1445
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: break him before the game. Oh we got Jackie Jules.

1446
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,639
Speaker 1: I got a quick six degrees of separation stat check here.

1447
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: Dick Vermil nineteen sixty three on the coaching staff at

1448
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: the College of San Mateo CEU, SAM bulldog Baby, He's

1449
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: They do have a picture of old Dick Vermil in

1450
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: the bulldog locker room, framed right next to old John Madden,

1451
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: right next to Bill Ring. A lot of great people

1452
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: came out of College of San Mateo. Shout out Medio

1453
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 1: wants a bulldog, always a bulldog? Wow, Uh is the

1454
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: greatest show on turf? The best nickname for this offense?

1455
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's probably the greatest nickname for an offense. Yeah,

1456
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: that's pretty tight. Back in those days when you had

1457
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: a team that played on that like astro turf. The

1458
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: game's almost it's a faster game. Yeah, And that's what

1459
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 1: that offense was. You just saw speed guys running across

1460
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: the field, crossers catching runs, these old like Jerry Rice

1461
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: type plays because they did have that West Coast offense,

1462
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: which was you know what, Bill Walsh came out and

1463
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: started back in Cincinnati, so it should technically be called

1464
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: the Midwest offense. How about like Marshall Falk now, because

1465
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: he's like, would he be like a Deebo Samuel type

1466
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: of guy? Now, what do you think he runs like

1467
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: better routes than thirty percent of the league at receivers run. Yeah,

1468
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: So I mean he was a matchup problem and he'd

1469
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: definitely have he'd be one of those guys that you

1470
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: designed to get the ball to give him out, like,

1471
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they did though screen game, draw game.

1472
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:37,240
Speaker 1: You know, little ram routes across the middle on a linebacker,

1473
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: little option routes on the outside to you know against

1474
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: the linebacker, seam routes. And we used to do a

1475
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 1: lot of those types of throws in New England with

1476
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: our third down running backs. You know, started with Kevin

1477
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: Falk went to Danny woodhead shout out, who might play

1478
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 1: I think he's he might qualify for the US Open.

1479
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: I think he's close. Let me check in on Danny here.

1480
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 1: But another really good like route running running back Shane

1481
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: Veren and now James White, which we saw earlier in

1482
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: one of our episodes. You know these guys that are

1483
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: just match up problems because they can run routes, but

1484
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: also you could give them the ball in between the tackles? Yeah? Absolutely,

1485
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: who would play? Who would play you in a movie? Julian?

1486
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: Because we had Kurt Warner had the Shazam dude, who's

1487
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 1: playing Julian Edelman? I would want Denzel Washington to play.

1488
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:30,640
Speaker 1: Are we talking like Malcolm x Denzel? Or like training

1489
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,559
Speaker 1: Training Day? He had to be crooked to took it? What? What?

1490
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: What lyric was that? I forgot? You remember one of

1491
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: this I forgot? Let me check on that. Is that

1492
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: your favorite Denzel movie? I love John Q. Never saw it.

1493
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: It makes you if you send that to Dick for

1494
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: me'll make him cry. I tell you that right now.

1495
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 1: It's with you know, he's got the sixth son and

1496
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 1: he's got cancer, and it puts him in a desperate

1497
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: situation where he has to rob the hospital to even

1498
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: to get his son, you know, some treatment. Oh wow,

1499
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: and so he like like like holds a stand up

1500
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: and hostages And I don't know that one really touched me.

1501
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: I love all the Denzel. Denzel's one of the best.

1502
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: Who's playing may I don't know who's playing you. I

1503
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:17,679
Speaker 1: have no idea. Adam Corolla, what do you think who

1504
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 1: would play you? You ever have to get back to

1505
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 1: who would play you? I would just cast you? You really? Yeah?

1506
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: You act? Now you're in The Joker. You're the one

1507
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,560
Speaker 1: who made the Joker become crazy. Everyone says that the

1508
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: stand up comedian that put the Joker into an insane mindset. Hey,

1509
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, Joaquin won the Oscar could have been me

1510
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: who was nominated You never know, best Supporting Actor. Yeah,

1511
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 1: we we have an Oscar nominated in Our Hearts Supporting

1512
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 1: Actor on our squad right now. That's how my agent's

1513
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 1: going to push me for In Our Hearts. He was nominated, Like,

1514
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: we don't know what that means. No one knows what

1515
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 1: that what else? So Warner and that's definitely that was

1516
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,639
Speaker 1: a pretty that's a that's a Cinderella story. Oh yeah,

1517
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 1: it's crazy. I mean, this is this is a miracle

1518
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: team type of thing. I mean, this is no one

1519
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: that saw it coming. He's on the bench like it's

1520
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: cool to see a quarterback become a star like that.

1521
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: And we saw it back to back years, as we said,

1522
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:18,520
Speaker 1: with Warner and then Brady bagging groceries to hoisting one Lombardy.

1523
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 1: Pretty crazy. I watched that movie. That's why we had

1524
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: all the questions about that. I was flying and I

1525
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: watched the movie R and D for this this interview,

1526
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: and it was awesome. Jack, do we forget anything here?

1527
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: One clarification. It is Boston common not Boston Commons. Geez,

1528
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,839
Speaker 1: who said that. I'm a Boston guy. You said that, Yeah, damn,

1529
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: But don't you call it the commons? I didn't common. Well,

1530
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean, what have I been saying? Common sense? I

1531
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 1: swear I've said that to people in Boston. They're like, yeah,

1532
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: I'll meet you over there where the garden area. What's

1533
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: the other side of the duck pond. We got the

1534
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: duck pond. You got the duck pond, You got the

1535
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: public guarden be skating through their all time my little

1536
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: electric board. Oh, we got a stat check on Denzel there.

1537
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: That was the line is from the movie, but then

1538
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 1: it was also referencing Jadakiss' two thousand and that's what

1539
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 1: it was was good. I like we used to listen

1540
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: to so I was a California kid, so and from

1541
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: the Bay Area. Growing up, we would listen to like

1542
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: the hyphie music like Macdre, mac maall E forty, Andre

1543
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: Nikotina And so when I went over to Kent State

1544
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: in Ohio, full California kid, and then it's kind of

1545
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,680
Speaker 1: a cult following of our music over in that area.

1546
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: I linked up with the guy, a bunch of guys

1547
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: from like Maryland, Virginia, and they introduced me to Jadakiss

1548
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: and and like it was. You probably listened to him, right,

1549
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 1: I love Jeddy Yeah New York guy, right, I mean

1550
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: he was he was a killer. I remember he and

1551
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: he and fifty had beef. I remember that. Yeah, that

1552
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: was I remember all that's great, great, I mean I

1553
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 1: enjoyed him both. What was his sound It was like

1554
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: something like that that was pretty good. Well, it was

1555
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: something like Julie's got crazy range in so many ways.

1556
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: That was that was impressive. I remember that he would

1557
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: is that is that the sound Jack, I believe so

1558
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 1: I was a little more partial to push your teas. Yeah,

1559
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: but it's still a good one. Okay. Everyone had a

1560
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: saying beg of that day. Yeah, I can't, little John. Yeah,

1561
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: what else do we have? Jae, I gotta I'll run

1562
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: through a quick little list there. London Fletcher two hundred

1563
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,599
Speaker 1: and fifty six career starts, one of only five players

1564
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 1: to never miss a game. That I'm insane for a linebacker. Linebacker, Yeah,

1565
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: how many Pro Bowls you have? I think you only

1566
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 1: had one to be a guy that has to plug

1567
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: up the hole. And he wasn't like a big guy

1568
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: he was. He was like a smaller linebacker, came from

1569
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: a small school. There's just like big bodies around you

1570
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: could like it's not even the fact that you're contacting

1571
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: all the time. There's like ankles that come up when

1572
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: you get rolled up on or your knee when you're

1573
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: pushing the pile. Guy hits your you know, there's like

1574
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: so many variables that are just going on the field

1575
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 1: not get hurt. Yeah, I mean that's that's that's all.

1576
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: That's honestly, that's like kissed by God made four prowls.

1577
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: John Carroll guy, John Carroll Pro Bowls is impressive. John

1578
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: Carroll shout out. We had like half of our staff

1579
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: was from John Carroll. I believe Daniel McDaniels is there,

1580
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels, Dave Ziggler, Jerry. He always gets mad when

1581
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't put him in that that group. Ohio school

1582
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 1: d D two D three, that must be crazy, rare to.

1583
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 1: I mean, that's insane, it's very There's there's a very

1584
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 1: few guys that come out of the you know Division

1585
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 1: two three. There's they got that. I think Mount Union's

1586
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: over there, which is a huge division like Division two

1587
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: team in Ohio. But that that's a big like coach school.

1588
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: A lot of coaches come from that school. So Lendon

1589
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: Fletcher must have had some of those smarts to stay

1590
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 1: healthy to avoid that stuff. All right, I'll hit these

1591
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: real quick. We talked about the Guardians in Cleveland. They're

1592
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 1: named after the Guardians of Traffic, which are monolithic Art

1593
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: Deco sculptures. They're on the bridge, Royal Bridge. Yep, we

1594
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: all know their fan base. Real well, Oh good art deco.

1595
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: This is what we want to scream for. Pists drunk

1596
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, dude, how about how about Major League?

1597
01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: How great were those movies that they would be like

1598
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 1: wild thing, the guy in the stands hitting the the drum,

1599
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: they'd have bags on their head. I want, let's do this.

1600
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 1: Get Charlie Sheen on here and do Major League. That's

1601
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: a that's a game with names. Or you can get

1602
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 1: Willie Mays Hayes. Danny gave a reference to that in

1603
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: our interview with all the Gloves. I'll give a little

1604
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: shine to the Rams defense. That year. They were fourth

1605
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: in the NFL in points allowed, first in run defense,

1606
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 1: and tied for the lead league with fifty seven sacks.

1607
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: We also mentioned Drew Bledsoe. He signed the biggest contract

1608
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: in NFL history that year, ten years, one hundred and

1609
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: three one hundred and three million guarante. How and firste

1610
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar contract gets hurt. The rest is history.

1611
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's going for number eight in twenty twenty three.

1612
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: And then I got a question Kate on ourman Danny Woodhead.

1613
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: He advanced in the local qualifier in Omaha, so he's

1614
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: one step away from qualifying for the US Open, which

1615
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: will be held at the country club in Brookline, Brookline,

1616
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: mass There's an old story that they wouldn't let Brady in.

1617
01:22:28,920 --> 01:22:31,639
Speaker 1: What said he was too popular. They don't want that

1618
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 1: that distraction. I heard he had to get in through

1619
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 1: his wife. He didn't tell me that. I never asked

1620
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,200
Speaker 1: him that. That's what. They wouldn't let Tom Brady in

1621
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: because he was too popular. Yeah, you know the country

1622
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: club people. What a backhanded That's like a woman being like,

1623
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fuck you. Your dick is too big,

1624
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. That's ridiculous. It's Tom Brady, he's

1625
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: a legend. Yeah, it's it's Boston. I think he got in,

1626
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 1: but he may have been wait like waitless, I don't

1627
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: know who, waitless tom Brady in Massachusetts. That's crazy. That's

1628
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: what I've or did you guys hear that story? Or

1629
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: am I completely wrong? I remember? Yeah, that's crazy. The

1630
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: Brookline Country Club. Well shout out to Danny Woodhood, who

1631
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: texts me earlier this week asking for Tom Brady to

1632
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: sponsor him with Brady brand and I said, hey, we'll

1633
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 1: give you some j E eleven. Dude, what's going on?

1634
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 1: But then I'll I'll forward your message to Tom too.

1635
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 1: Probably a good thing. I didn't get any chicks my

1636
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: freshman year of college because it had Danny Wood had

1637
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: fat head on the wall in my dorm room. That's

1638
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: when fatheads became huge. Your woodhead prevented you from getting woodhead.

1639
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: I'll blame it on that. Last we got two stat corrections.

1640
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: Kurt was technically a second year QB that year, as

1641
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: was Tom Brady when he made the Super Bowl and

1642
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 1: played against Kurt. But they both didn't play though, Yeah

1643
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: they didn't play. This is their first time, right, So

1644
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 1: technicalities here, So name the game is at the longest yard,

1645
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,879
Speaker 1: the reach game, the greatest show on turf, the tackle.

1646
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's the longest yard because the

1647
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 1: greatest show on turf that's the team team. Yeah. Yeah,

1648
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,679
Speaker 1: it's got to be the longest yard because uh, Burt

1649
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 1: Reynolds the longest yard back in the sixties they redid

1650
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,880
Speaker 1: it with Adam Sandler and Rock and Rock. Yeah that

1651
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: was fun fun. Did you see that picture of Eli

1652
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: and Peyton next to the rock? How tall those dudes are? No,

1653
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: they dwarfed them really? Yeah, dude, it's crazy, it's really

1654
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 1: there are They're really tall dudes. Yeah. People don't realize

1655
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: they're like a tall six ' five. Wow. Yeah, I mean,

1656
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: Peyton seemed tall Eli for whatever reason, he just wears it.

1657
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,879
Speaker 1: He wears it, you know, sneakily. He's sneakily tall, sneaky

1658
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: six five. It's nuts. I mean that. I mean that

1659
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 1: helps you be a great quarterback. You could see over people, right,

1660
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean there's guys that do it shorter.

1661
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was always a small quarterback. I just

1662
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: think that. But it's true. It's definitely true. You can

1663
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: see it's you see a lot more. Let's score this

1664
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: bad boy. We gotta score. What are we doing so steaks,

1665
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 1: it's a super Bowl. You gotta go high. I gotta high.

1666
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: It's gotta be high. What are you saying? Nine to five?

1667
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: Nine's the super Bowl? It's got to be like a

1668
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: nine to five because it was isn't like a back

1669
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: to back super Bowl. There was like you know what

1670
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like we and they went back the next year.

1671
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: They were back the next year. Now that one, the

1672
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: stakes would have been if they won it probably higher

1673
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: than this one. So we gotta go. What ninety five,

1674
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: We'll go ninety five. Star power is pretty damn big.

1675
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean we're looking at uh, you know. McNair was

1676
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 1: recognizable name, Eddie George, Marshall Fall, Kurt Warner, We've named

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01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 1: all the names. I think Bruce I think was Eddie

1678
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: George on the cover of Madden this year. He might

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01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: have been. It's either this year or the year before. Eddie.

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01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: Eddie George was a monster. I loved the Tennessee Titans

1681
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 1: because of Eddie George. Yeah, you know, I would play

1682
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: with them a bunch of like was this Madden two

1683
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 1: thousand was on mad one? So what was it? This was?

1684
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 1: So it was after this year's Yeah, but you the big,

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01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: the big running backs of this era, I remember being

1686
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,559
Speaker 1: like fock, Eddie George, Edrin, James Edrian, there were some

1687
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: badass running backs. Well yeah, the running back probably Alexander Sewn.

1688
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: Alexander the running back was was more relevant than towards

1689
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,400
Speaker 1: the end of the Great found Pound type thing. You

1690
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 1: had Bettist remember Dron Betts, You had Garrison Hurst, and

1691
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 1: you had early Frank Gore. It's coming back, it does,

1692
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: that's pendulums. It's coming back because once you start getting

1693
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: these sakwan, Yeah, it's gotta come back. Come on, you know,

1694
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: drafted a running back very high, please come back. Well,

1695
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: it has to I mean that's why you see the

1696
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: Patriots they always running the ball because linebackers are so

1697
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 1: much smaller. Now, Yeah, you know it's harder to plug

1698
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: up there. Built for speed. These guys are fast for sure.

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01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: So you know it's it's a matchup thing. How's your

1700
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: team gonna match up? That's why all these coaches are

1701
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,960
Speaker 1: so obsessed with running the football right in the football,

1702
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:42,320
Speaker 1: right in the football star Power, where are you going?

1703
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 1: Like nine, it's it's a lot, Yeah, it's a nine.

1704
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: It's a nine. It's a nine gameplay. You know. The

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01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 1: first first half was, like Kurt said, they just couldn't

1706
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 1: get it in the red area. They couldn't score. But

1707
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: then that fourth quarter does you got to give it props?

1708
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 1: Lights out? Yeah? So that I think the MCing airplay

1709
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 1: unreal McNair and Eddie George in the second half, Eddie George,

1710
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: but also Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce linking up on that

1711
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 1: giving him a lot of time. You remember that was

1712
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:13,160
Speaker 1: a gameplay. I'd say, we have to go a nine. Yeah,

1713
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: it was so like the last play, edge of your seat?

1714
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 1: Did it made it here for a reason, And it's

1715
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 1: just not It's not just the names. It's a crazy

1716
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: super Bowl. And then the name. It's tough because the

1717
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: longest Yard you mentioned the movie, so that does that

1718
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: does hurt the name a little, and it hurts it.

1719
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: But isn't that what you think of when you think

1720
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: of the longest yard? But you don't think of this

1721
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: like the greatest show on turf. It's unbelievable nickname, but

1722
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: it's not the game. It's not the game. I'm going

1723
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: like eight for the name. Yeah, we'll go eight. What'd say,

1724
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: give us an average out? It's still a high ass

1725
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: total eight point eight seven five. That's a high score.

1726
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: Eight point eight. Yeah, that's like a B B plus

1727
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 1: depends on who set the curve high B plus if

1728
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: we can round up to eight point nine here right?

1729
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:57,720
Speaker 1: I mean, well, this is a class. This is a

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01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: classic game. Kurt Warner was a great guess. That's all

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01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 1: for this episode of Games with Names, presented by wind Bet.

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01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Thank you to our sponsors.

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Speaker 1: Follow us on social media at Games with Names. I'm

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01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: Sam Morrel and I'm Julian Edelman. And we'll see you

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Speaker 1: next time, folks,