1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: This is straight fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: What is up? 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: Straight fire? 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight fire for Friday, July 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: the fifth. Hope everybody had a fun safe July fourth. 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: Nobody pulled a Jason Pierre Paul. I shouldn't make light 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: of that, but fireworks are very dangerous and we are 8 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: recording this on the July fourth. We just taped the 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 2: Herd and I figured we'll go out and enjoy the 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: fireworks tonight, Rob, you and I chopping it up. We 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: haven't had a chance to chop it up lately. And 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: I know Robb g probably distraught over the Lakers the 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: exciting potential when Lebron said I'll take less than the 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: max and only to find out that all of his 15 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: targets went a different direction. I don't know, Robbed and 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: I mentioned this on the Herd on Wednesday, like, is 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: this a shot at Lebron that nobody wants to play 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 2: with him? Or is it people just don't want to 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: play for the Lakers, don't think their title contender? Is it? 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: Rob Polenka's just inept the only one that jumps out 21 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 2: like James Harden I can get I totally understand him 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: wanting to stay with the Clippers. It's gonna be his show. 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: He's the clear number two behind Kawhi. And oh, by 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: the way, Kawhi is going to miss half the season anyway, 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: So it's James Harden doing whatever the hell he wants. Oh, 26 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: we're gonna get a turn back the clock. James Harden probably, 27 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: I guess I kind of sort of understand Clay. The 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: Maps are closer to winning a title, and Clay would 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: love to just shove it right up the ass of 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: the Warriors who kind of screwed him over. But I 31 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: don't know. I thought your boy future Laker or Clay Town. 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: I thought he would pick the Lakers. Now, I'm not 33 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: gonna get into the money aspect, but the four for 34 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: eighty sounds like a pipe dream. This idea that he 35 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: took less to go to the map is not totally 36 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: accurate because the Lakers had to clear cap space. The 37 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: one that is mystifying is Jonas Valancunis. Maybe he sees 38 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: the payday's dwindling. But to take money from Washington a 39 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 2: tanking team, what do you want to put up hollow 40 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: stats in Washington? Really? And I get you gotta get paid. 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 2: You gotta feed your family, got to accumulate the generational wealth. 42 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 2: But the Lakers rob really could have used him when 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: it came to the Nuggets. If they match up with 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 2: the Nuggets again in the playoffs and you know, Jokic 45 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: kills them as good as Anthony Davis as defensively Yokic 46 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: murders them, and having ad as like a rim protector 47 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: with JV defending Yokich, that would have been great. We'll 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: see if one Ben Yama is able to get to 49 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: the playoffs next season, I probably a reach. But anywhere 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: Chris Paul goes, they're very good instantly. 51 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know. 52 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: I just I'm not sure what the heart on was 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: for Valanchunis. But at the same time, I don't understand 54 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: why he didn't pick the Lakers. But anyways, that's my 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: roundabout way of saying, Max Christy is the one signing 56 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: the Lakers have as we record this, and that's got 57 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: to be a little depressing for you know. 58 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: Not really, I mean, because on one hand, I cannot say, 59 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 3: like I said all last season that hey, this roster 60 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: is pretty good. If we have a coach who does 61 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: more than stand there with his hands in his pockets, 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: like if Darvin Ham is even a mediocre, middle of 63 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: the road NBA coach, that the Lakers are championship contending 64 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: type team. I can't say that on one hand and 65 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: then say, on the other hand, well, this roster sucks 66 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: and why are we not doing anything to add to it? 67 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: So it can't be both. And I firmly believe that 68 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: the roster, even as constructed, even with some holes that 69 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: they have, has enough to compete in the Western Conference 70 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: with damn near anybody. 71 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 4: And we'll get to it in a little bit because 72 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: I know. 73 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: Something you said, the word compete. Yes, so they won 74 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: forty seven games last year. They're bringing back basically the 75 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: entire same roster. I guess to compete, Lebron and ad 76 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: would have to play as many games as they did 77 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: last season, which seems kind of sort of maybe unlikely, 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: But that depends on your definition of compete. 79 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 4: Sure, that's fair. I guess. 80 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: The difference is is that what you're gonna see I 81 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: believe next season in the Western Conference it's very similar 82 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: to what you saw last and that is it's not 83 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: gonna matter what the seedings are that I believe Oklahoma 84 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: City is gonna be one of those teams, and Minnesota 85 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: to be one of those teams where because they have 86 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: young legs and because these guys take everything so seriously 87 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: on a game to game basis that they're gonna be 88 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: at the top of the conference three through ten, I 89 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: think is gonna be up for grabs up until the 90 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: last two weeks of the season. And it's not gonna 91 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: say that. Oh uh, you know, Phoenix is the five seeds, 92 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 3: so there's no way they can beat the four seed Denver. 93 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 3: And like, I'm not gonna say that because I don't 94 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: think that the gap between any of these teams is 95 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: all that big. It's gonna come down to matchups. It's 96 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: gonna come down to who's facing who. It's gonna come 97 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 3: down to health most importantly, and if everybody is healthy, 98 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 3: which is of course is a pipe dream for any 99 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: Laker fan or you know, any team for that matter. 100 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: But if all teams are healthy, the only one as 101 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: we record this podcast that I'd say we just do 102 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 3: not match up with is Denver. And even Denver took 103 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: a hit when they lost KCP, Like, like, I like 104 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: what they okay see did with Hartenstein, but that's not 105 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: going to stop in the hypothetically Lebron James were going 106 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 3: to the ram at will against you know, Jay Dubb 107 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: and Lou Dord and Alice Caruso. Like they're still small Dallas. 108 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 3: You know, they got Klay Thompson, they got future Laker 109 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 3: Klay Thompson and got to plug that in there. But 110 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 3: they still have some issues because they're so Luca centric. 111 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 3: And we talked about it all during the postseason that 112 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: during the Western Conference run it was less Luca more 113 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 3: Kyrie spread the ball around. Pj's getting some shots up, 114 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: Derek Jones Junior gets some shots up and they were 115 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: making them. They get to the finals and it goes 116 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 3: back to all Luke all the time and they get smacked. 117 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: So it's gonna come down to matchups to me, in 118 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: my opinion. 119 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: You know, I aired on something I said earlier. I 120 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: said the only real signing was Max Christy, but I 121 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: forgot about Brownie James Junior. Rob Did you see somebody 122 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: did a breakdown of the last three guys who were 123 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: drafted fifty fifth overall in twenty one. OKC drafted Wiggins 124 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: who got a two way contract. He just got a 125 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 2: nice deal, but he's got on a two way contract 126 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: when he was fifty fifth player overall. Then in twenty 127 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: twenty two, somebody named Santos went to the Warriors seventy 128 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 2: five K guaranteed. In twenty three, Isaiah Wong went to 129 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: the Pacers on a two way. He was a guard 130 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: from Miami two way contract. Ronnie James fifty fifth pick 131 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, seven point nine million dollars with 132 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 2: four point four million guaranteed. I haven't looked rob but 133 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: I would not be shocked if the four point four 134 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: million guaranteed was more than I don't know, half of 135 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: the second round combined. I have no problem with this. 136 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: Give him the money. It's Lebron's kid. Lebron's earned this. 137 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: But I forgot about Bronnie James. I'm just curious, though. 138 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: Do you see him actually contributing in the rotation next year? 139 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 4: Of course, not, no way, not at all. He's not ready. 140 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: He's got some skills that you can develop. He's very athletic, 141 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: you know. All the scouts say that he plays the 142 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 3: game the right way. But I unless things go catastrophically 143 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: wrong for the Lakers, I do not see Bronnie James 144 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: playing more than one hundred minutes all season if that. 145 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: And as far as the contract that he got, I 146 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: know everyone's up in urs because it's the Lakers, because. 147 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 4: It's Bronie games, So I get it. 148 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: But last year's number fifty eight overall pick, who was 149 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: also repped by Clutch Sports and Rich Paul Chris Livington 150 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: Livingston drafted by the Milwaukee Bucks when he was drafted, 151 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: he got himself a nice little four year, seven point 152 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: six million dollar contract with three million guaranteed. Trace Jackson 153 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: Davis of the Golden State Warriors was drafted fifty seventh 154 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: overall last year. He got himself a four year, seven 155 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: point six million dollar contract with the Warriors. So this 156 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: is not unheard of. The thing is that nobody really 157 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: bothers to look it up. So when they see Bronnie 158 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: James got a four year contract with the Lakers, it's 159 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: like the worst thing you could possibly imagine, even though 160 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: this kind of stuff happens all the time, but no 161 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: one can ericase that's a fifty six, fifty seven to 162 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: fifty eight bit. 163 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 2: I'm not hammering Brownie. Just the stats. He averaged four 164 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: point eight points per game at USC He got four 165 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: point four million guaranteed four point eight four point is 166 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: you know, again, Lebron's earned it to have his Now 167 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: now I feel a little bad for Bronnie getting handed 168 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: all this. He's going to hear about this, but he's 169 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 2: just got to go out there and perform and prove 170 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: that he's willing to, you know, be an NBA player 171 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: and do the work that it takes, because he's obviously 172 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: not there yet. All right, So we covered the Lakers. 173 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, Rob, I look at the West, it 174 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: feels to me like Dallas is the cream of the crop. 175 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: I think Minnesota had a great offseason, adding in the 176 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: draft Terrence Shannon and Rob Dillingham. Shannon's going to be 177 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: in the rotation. He's gonna be like a top eight guy. 178 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: I think he could score. You can get buckets. This 179 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: guy's turning twenty three or twenty four here this month. 180 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: And I like Dillingham a lot. And they more importantly 181 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: didn't lose Carl Anthony Town's so they're running it back. 182 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: And they were I believe, a fifty win team or 183 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: close to it. And oh, by the way, like they 184 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: added guys who can help. I think Minnesota's right there too. 185 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: I think Okay, so he's probably gonna have the best 186 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: record in the West because they're built for the regular season. 187 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 2: They're very young. Hartenstein's a good ad. They can match 188 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 2: up well with anybody. Those probably are the top three 189 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: teams so less. I don't think Denver's in that group anymore. 190 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: Rob and I didn't go too deep into it, but 191 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: the loss of KCP is that seems like a big deal. 192 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: They remember they lost Bruce Brown and they clearly regressed 193 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: after winning the title. Then they lose KCP and we'll 194 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: see what the fallout is. I don't I just don't 195 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: think you can plug in Christian Brown or Julian Strauther 196 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: and ask those guys to, you know, have the championship 197 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 2: medal that KCP had the lockdown defense, Like, I'm sure 198 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: they're capable, solid defenders, but they're young guys. I think 199 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: both are under twenty four years old. So I think 200 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: it's a big loss. And this is a Nuggets team, listen, man, 201 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon's been through a lot this offseason off the 202 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: Michael Porter juniors have gone through a lot with his 203 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: two brothers this see offseason off the court. I just 204 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: I don't think the Nuggets are a top four team 205 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: in the Western Where is that too hot of a take. 206 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: This is a team d Yes was up twenty in 207 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,599 Speaker 2: Game seven at home, and they would have been in 208 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 2: the Western Conference Finals and they would have been favored 209 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: to be Dallas. So I shouldn't write them off too quickly. 210 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: But I just I don't love the vibes right now 211 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: out of Denver. 212 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 213 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 214 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 215 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: listen live. 216 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: Oh, I hate the vibes coming out of Denver, And 217 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: to be honest, they should be lucky that they are 218 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 3: in Denver, otherwise this would be a much bigger story. Yeah, 219 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: you mean, like, going after they won the championship, they 220 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 3: lose Bruce Brown and say what you want, but Jeff 221 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 3: Green was a vital piece to them on that roster. 222 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 4: They lose those two guys for nothing. 223 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: This offseason, they lose KCP for nothing, and it all 224 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: stems from their ownership group, Dan Cronkey being unwilling to 225 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: deal with the second Apron and the luxury tacks. Even 226 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 3: though all the metrics, all the stats, even the basketball 227 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 3: hoop heads can agree that at worst, Denver has the 228 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: second best starting five in basketball, and so I even 229 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 3: think they're the best. I think their cohesion is even 230 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: better than what you see in Boston, even with the 231 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: talent is different in Boston. But they decided and this 232 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: goes back to what their GM Calvin Booth said last 233 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: offseason when they said, hey, you lost Bruce Brown for nothing, 234 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: you lost Jeff Green for nothing. You're trying to replace 235 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 3: them with Christian Brown and three rookies which they never 236 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 3: even played this season. But they said, hey, why didn't 237 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 3: you try harder to replace these guys with veterans? And 238 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: this is what he said, and I think it's indicative 239 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: of a bigger problem in Denver and across the NBA. 240 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 3: He says, if it cost us the chance to win 241 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,719 Speaker 3: a championship this year, so be it. It's worth the investment. 242 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: It's more about winning three out of six, three out 243 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: of seven, four out of eight than trying to go 244 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: back to back. And if you have a guy like 245 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: Nikola Jokic who is ready right now to win multiple 246 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: championships when he walks into every game that he plays, 247 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 3: and if he's not the best player he's the second 248 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: best player, and you're choosing that you'd rather build for 249 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: the future than push all in while you can. Is 250 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: something I will never understand. This is not a forty 251 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 3: year old Lebron James, all right, This is not a 252 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 3: brittle Anthony Davis. This is not even a brittle Joel MBI. 253 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 3: We can say him in a minute. The joker is consistent, 254 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: he's available. He is a floor razor to everybody he 255 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: plays with. And if you are not doing everything you 256 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: can to capitalize on this prime window that he has, 257 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 3: then you're doing yourself, you're doing your fans, or you're 258 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: doing the rest of that team of disservice. I hate 259 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 3: what Denver's doing right now. 260 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just doesn't seem like it's smart of them. 261 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: But I'll say this, it is still yokid and Jamal Murray. 262 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,719 Speaker 2: Jamal Murray's about to get his big deal. I think 263 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 2: he got it. Sham's reported that. But I don't think 264 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: the Lakers are far behind the Nuggets. Let's just remember, okay, 265 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: two of the four Nuggets wins in the playoffs against 266 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 2: the Lakers were Jamal Murray essentially buzzer beaters in the 267 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 2: final ten seconds now unfortunately they have it remedied that. 268 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: I don't know who guards Jamal Murray, but I don't 269 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: think the Lakers are that far behind the Nuggets. And again, 270 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: you know it's the West. I think the Warriors have 271 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: fallen off a cliff losing Klay Thompson and Chris Paul 272 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 2: and you know, I mean, maybe they get in the 273 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: lowry market in sweepsticks, but I don't see what they're 274 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: gonna have to give up a ton for him. And 275 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: I had this take that the three the three headed 276 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: superstar team, that air is over. Man, that ship has sailed. 277 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: It's done. I don't think it works anymore. Look at 278 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 2: the two teams that had the three headed stars Dame 279 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: Jiannis and Middleton injuries lost in the first round. I know, Joannison, 280 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 2: play sons kd bo Booker swept in the first round. 281 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 2: And now everybody's hot to add market into what Steph 282 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: and Draymond. That's a big three and sacrificing your future. 283 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: It's really tough to thread the needle between playing for 284 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: the now and playing for the future. And not to 285 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 2: make this all about the Lakers, but rob Lakers to 286 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 2: do a smart thing. Go look at their roster. Two 287 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: guys over the age of thirty. That's it, and it's 288 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: Lebron and Ad. They're attempting the youth movement. Now, Lebron's 289 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 2: probably not gonna be thrilled with that, but they've got 290 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: a bunch of young guys. Now, can Reddick turn Max 291 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 2: Christie into I don't know, is he even a rotational guy? 292 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 2: He would go games without even playing. I don't think 293 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: he's a rotational guy yet. Maybe he can be. But 294 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: the youth movement part is hard. And I turned to 295 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: the Sixers because Rob you know, they're trying with the 296 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 2: three headed monster of Paul, George Embiid and Maxie. And 297 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 2: then you look around the rest of their roster and 298 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: it's like, holy sh nikes. Okay, the Jared mccame from 299 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: Duke the rookie. I got that Eric Gordon. I mean, 300 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: he probably would struggle to defend in my men's league. 301 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: Here Kelly ubre who's hot and cold, and good luck 302 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: with him off the court. Andre Drummonds solid backup for Embiid. 303 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: You need that since he's always hurt, and they got 304 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: Paul Reid, who they may end up trying to dump 305 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 2: here to make space for other players, but like they're 306 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: gonna have like three or four minimum players on their 307 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 2: on their team. That may have worked like six seven 308 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: years ago, it doesn't work now. I don't think it's 309 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: gonna work. I have the Sixers. We could go through 310 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 2: the East, but I have the Sixers currently. I wanted 311 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: to say it's either third or fourth right at Boston 312 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: obviously one Nicks to I am a believer in the 313 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: Indiana Pacers. I love what they have. I think they 314 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: are built like the Celtics, and I think the Pacers 315 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: are right there with the Sixers. I think both of 316 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: them are at ahead of the Bucks. And after that, 317 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: it's like, okay, maybe Orlando makes a leap. I like 318 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: what Orlando did with KCP, KCP and Suggs in the 319 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: back court. 320 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: That's tough. 321 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: They got a lot of wings. Polo Bay Caro Nice. 322 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 2: Could he make the leap so Orlando six, I would 323 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: Maybe Cleveland is too low at seven. I mean, I've 324 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: almost forgotten about the Miami Heat. Jimmy Butler's gonna be 325 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: going scort shirts. So who knows? They could be eight 326 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: or they could be three. For all we know that team, 327 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: you know, Jimmy Butler is getting up through an age. 328 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: Tyler hero Is, it feels like a walking injury these days. 329 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, robinm I'm missing anybody else in the East, 330 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: it does seem kind of bleak. 331 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, god, I wish my Lakers played in 332 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: the Eastern Conference. It's like that much. Yeah. 333 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: This whole thing with Philadelphia is kind of surprising to me, 334 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: because you know, Darryl Mory is hailed as this basketball genius, 335 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 3: this wizard that he you know, he's the founder of 336 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 3: the what is it, the Sloan Conference, Like he's one 337 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: of those type of geniuses, and you would think that 338 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: somebody of him and his background, that he would understand 339 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: that the three star model just does not work in 340 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: the NBA. And that's not even factoring in that two 341 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: of your stars Paul George and Joe LMB are always hurt. 342 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: Like I understand the thinking, and I guess you'd be 343 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 3: optimistic that what sets them apart Philadelphia than someone like 344 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: maybe Phoenix is that the three guys play different positions, 345 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 3: Like they have a point guard, a wing, and a 346 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 3: big versus all three wing players. But the fact remains 347 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 3: is all three of those guys are at their best. 348 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 3: They can play without it, but they're out their best 349 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: when they have the ball in their hands. And the 350 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: biggest issue, and this is something that's been a theme 351 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: of this show for since its inception and goes all 352 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 3: the way back even to the radio show on Fox 353 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 3: Sports Radio on Saturdays, is that Joel Embiid is one 354 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: of the worst playoff performers that we have in the 355 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: NBA relative to what his regular season standards are. 356 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 4: You saw now. 357 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: I know this year was a little bit different because 358 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 3: they only went one round and he had a couple 359 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: of big games to raise his average, but his shooting 360 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: percentage dropped by like nine percent the regular season in 361 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: the postseason. In the playoffs. The last two years before that, 362 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: his scoring average dropped almost ten points per game from 363 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 3: the regular season to the postseason. His shooting percentages fall 364 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: off a cliff because he is a seven foot two 365 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: and eighty pound monster who would much rather play like 366 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 3: a six to five and ten Towns shooting guard. He 367 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 3: wants to shoot mid range, he wants to shoot falloways, 368 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: he doesn't want to get close to the basket, and 369 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 3: all the foul hunting that he does in the regular 370 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: season just does not work in the postseason. So unless 371 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: Joel Embiid is going to drastically change drastically, if he's 372 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 3: going to fundamentally change the way that he plays in 373 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 3: the postseason, where he's gonna play like a big man 374 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 3: and he's not going to have most of his shots 375 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 3: take place between ten and fifteen feet, I don't know 376 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: if they if they can compete with the other upper 377 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 3: echelon teams in the Eastern Confers. Right now, I have 378 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: them fourth going into the season in the East. 379 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: Wow, I'm curious Nicks lose Hartenstein. I don't know. You're 380 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: not as much of a Knick Hank as I am. 381 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: He was instrumental in the playoffs. I'll just say this 382 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 2: against the Pacers. He had to play like heavy minutes 383 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 2: because Mitchell Robinson was out. Mitchell Robinson always hurt, So 384 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: they obviously need to find a backup center, somebody who 385 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 2: can eat minutes because Robinson, he just is not durable. 386 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: I don't know rob I think this Nicks key, I 387 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: would not be shocked at all because we saw like 388 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: a Knicks Tom Ruolves NBA Finals. Honestly would not surprise 389 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 2: me in the least. We're at the changing of the Guard. 390 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: We're at like one of these seminal moments where it's like, Okay, 391 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: we've had the three headed superstar super teams over the 392 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 2: last fifteen years. If you want to go back twenty 393 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: years to the Spurs with Jenobilee, Parker and Duncan, and 394 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 2: then we've had the KD. Curry Lebron era, and both 395 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 2: of those seem to be winding down almost at the 396 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: same time. Rob It's extremely depressing, and the new model 397 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: seems to be what the Celtics have, what the Knicks have, 398 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: the Pacers to a lesser extent, you know, I think 399 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: the MAVs kind of have it. Okay, see has it? 400 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: The new model, would you agree? Is two stars and 401 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: then role players who are largely wings. But your big 402 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 2: guy is you have two big guys, one that can 403 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: be a five out big guy and the other can 404 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 2: be like an interior rebounding big guy like Lively with 405 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: the MAVs Hurt and Stein and the out the five 406 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: out big guy would be like a Miles Turner of 407 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: poor zingis Acrol Anthony Towns. That seems to me the 408 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: new model to me? Would you agree or is that 409 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,399 Speaker 2: too heavy handed? 410 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 3: No? I would agree mostly I'm with you that I 411 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 3: believe that the model that you have to have is 412 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: two stars and high level role players from three to 413 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: six or three to seven like that. That's got to 414 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: be your minimum because and I know we argue about 415 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: this on the Podcast of the Week about a week 416 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 3: and a half ago. When it comes to Boston, what 417 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 3: makes Boston special is not Tatum and Brown, Tatum and 418 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: on a great Jason Tatum shoutout future Laker, Jason Tatum 419 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: became the highest paid player in NBA history by a 420 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 3: week ago, So kudos to him. Will get him when 421 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 3: he's thirty four, broken down, but we'll get him eventually. 422 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: But what makes them special is not the top five 423 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: MVP candidate Jason Tatum, It's not the All NBA candidate 424 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: and Jalen Brown. It's or Zingis Holiday White Orford. When 425 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: you can surround those two guys with four other three 426 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: guys at the court at one time, three guys who 427 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 3: are great or not great, who are high level two 428 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: way players, You're never gonna go into a game against 429 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: the Boston Celtics if they're healthy and feel like there's 430 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: somebody you can hunt one way or the other. You're 431 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: not gonna go into it like, well, if you're a 432 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 3: Laker fan and say, hey, they're gonna sag off Jared 433 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 3: Vanderbilt and you got to play four on five offensively, 434 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 3: or you're not gonna go into and say, hey, D'angela 435 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 3: Russell's out there. We have a week point on defense, 436 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: so we're gona have to shade guys that way to 437 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 3: make up for it. Boston doesn't have that problem, right, 438 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: They're gonna be pready stout across the board, assuming health. 439 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: And that's one thing that New York has, and that's 440 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: something okay see as is you're never gonna feel like 441 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 3: you have weak links across your starting five or across 442 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: your five man closing lineup because their roster is so deep. 443 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: I don't care if your best player is not as 444 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 3: good as Joel Embi or Nicola Yoki or whoever, as 445 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: long as your fifth best player is not the worst 446 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 3: guy out there. So I think the Knicks are going 447 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: to be great. I can't wait to see them face 448 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 3: Boston the playoffs. I think both of those teams are 449 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: built to face each other and it's going to be awesome. 450 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 451 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 452 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 453 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: listen live. 454 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: I think we largely agree Celtics Knicks are the cream 455 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 2: of the crop in the East. And I mean, even 456 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: if you know Demarge Rosen signs or market and traded, 457 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: I don't think at fundamental changes what's happening at the 458 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: top of either conference. I guess we could close with 459 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: this one, Robin. It's like, I don't know, Over the 460 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: last like twelve years, every single summer has been ooh, ooh, 461 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: who's the next free agent? Ooh, can our team add him? Ooh, 462 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: can we find a superstar? And this summer it was 463 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 2: Paul George, and there was no real tug of war 464 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: for Paul George. He kind of felt to the Sixers 465 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: because there were no other options. I don't really buy 466 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: that Warriors trade. It sounds like the Clippers were never 467 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: going to do that deal. So it's Paul George and 468 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 2: Clay Thompson, who kind of was sort of was I 469 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: don't washed his harsh, but you know, obviously if he 470 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: lands with the Lakers. I'm singing a slightly different tune 471 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 2: because I think it's a great fit. I think it's 472 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: a great fit with the MAVs. But like it wasn't 473 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: like there was a robust market for Klay Thompson. You know, 474 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: he was never going to or Orlando. He wants to 475 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: compete and win titles. And I don't know. I just 476 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 2: wonder how the NBA calendar is going to shake out now, 477 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: rob when we get to July and it's like, oh, 478 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: everybody's afraid of the second apron. I mean, did you 479 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 2: see the stat that the Clippers and Warriors have been 480 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 2: over the luxury tax for each of the last four years. 481 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: And magically, now that there's a second apron, both those 482 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 2: teams decide WHOA, we gotta start petty pinching, and both 483 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: of them as of now, are not in the luxury 484 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 2: tax next season. Like that's a huge sign. And I 485 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: don't know, man, you almost wonder if the NBA is 486 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: screwed this up. And I know that some people will say, no, 487 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: this is great for the league. I don't know, guys, 488 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: I just don't know it. Like, where's the off season, juice, 489 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: Like we waited forever for Donovan Mitchel. He's staying in 490 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 2: Cleveland now Maybe maybe Wolves go sideways. They decide this 491 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 2: isn't working with Carla day Towns is on the market, 492 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 2: maybe the Cavs stink, and Donovan Mitchell much like after 493 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: I think it was well now he was two years 494 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 2: in okac. Yeah, after two years in Oka, see, Paul 495 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: George was like, I'm out, get me out of here. 496 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: Maybe Donovan Mitchell says, hey, you know what, I gave 497 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: it two years, I'm out, get me out of Cleveland. 498 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: And it gets interesting. But as of now, Rob, the 499 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: free agent crop is I mean, the draft next year 500 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 2: will be good, but it just it feels like the 501 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: days of ooh, can this team get this star. I 502 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 2: don't know that we'll be playing those games anymore. 503 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I agree with you, and I will say 504 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: that do not let the fact that CJ. McCollum is 505 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 3: a great television analyst for ESPN distract you from the 506 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 3: fact that he totally butchered this CBA agreement. This second 507 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: apron is one of the worst thing that's ever could 508 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 3: have happened to NBA because so much of what basketball 509 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 3: fans and listeners of this podcast I know, because that's 510 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 3: the numbers. We talked about this before. Consumers of basketball 511 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: media care less about what actually happens on the floor. 512 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 3: Then they do the soap opera that happens off of it. 513 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 3: They care more about who's the next free agent, which 514 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 3: star is unhappy, who might get traded, the transactional nature 515 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: of the sport. That's always been in my experience. Our 516 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: most popular podcasts, Hey could Donovan Mitchell get traded? 517 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 4: What's up with Trey Young? Is carlthony town is getting moved? 518 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: Because then it not only it affects one team, the 519 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 3: minnesot Timberolves, it could affect four or five other teams 520 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 3: because of where he might end up. And when they 521 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: did this second apron, which basically acts as a hard 522 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: cap for ninety percent of the league, you've taken that away. 523 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: And I did a quick look at the twenty twenty 524 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 3: five free agent class. According to Hoopside, they have their 525 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: their rankings. Jalen runs the number one. He's probably gonna resigna. 526 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell is already resigning. Lori market In is number three. Okay, 527 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: Brandon Ingram, who may or may not get traded by 528 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: the time. 529 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: We love Nobody wants him right now. 530 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 3: Nobody's working for our Prince Sangoon who I like and 531 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: hoopeads like. 532 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 4: But if you're a casual fan, you probably. 533 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: Don't know who are the Rocket Center. Yes, yes, Evan 534 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: Mobley's restricted, so he doesn't count. Lebron James technically could 535 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 3: opt out again, but we'll see what happens with Bronni. 536 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: Jamal Murray just got extended, Franz Wagner is a restricted 537 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 3: free agent, and Julius Randall rounds out the top ten like, 538 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: there are some good players in there, but that's nothing 539 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: that's gonna get people overly excited about what's gonna come 540 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,719 Speaker 3: next summer. 541 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: But here's the worst part, rob When you name all 542 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: those guys, A lot of those guys don't qualify in 543 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: the And forgive me for not coming up with a 544 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 2: better name of it, but like the Drew Holliday Derek White, 545 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: that guy could be an awesome three on a title contender, 546 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: like Brandon Ingram is in that weird spot because he's 547 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: not a good defender. He doesn't shoot threes really, he 548 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: prefers the mid range. Like, I don't know what you 549 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 2: do with him. Lowry Markinen will see like good player, 550 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: but geez, he sounds like he wants to get paid 551 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: I don't think he fits in the Derek White molds. 552 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 2: He thinks he's like a two. I don't know that 553 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: he's a two anywhere. So, like even Julius Randall, like, 554 00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 2: do you want that guy as your third or fourth 555 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 2: best player? I don't know that that works. Like Austin 556 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 2: Reeves works to me as a third or fourth and 557 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 2: for me, a third or fourth guy on a team 558 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 2: is that kind of glue guy who can toggle between 559 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 2: either one, two, three, two three, four, can defend up, 560 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: can just do a lot, and obviously shooting is a 561 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 2: paramount importance. Like I guess Rental can shoot, but I 562 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: don't know, Like to me on the Knicks, he's there's 563 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: I guess, second best player and then you slide Bridges 564 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 2: into the third and boom, that's a massive home run, right, 565 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 2: he is in the Drew Holliday Derek White bold, But like, 566 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 2: who's the six or fourth best player? Kelly Ubray, I 567 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: don't know, man, It's just it's a weird time in 568 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: the league. Almost feels transitional. 569 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 3: No, yeah, it definitely feels like there's gonna be a 570 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 3: learning curve, an adjustment period of while teams navigate this 571 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 3: second aprin I think you're gonna see eventually, maybe not 572 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: obviously this offseason, but maybe next offseason where it's like 573 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 3: the middle class is going to get eliminated for NBA 574 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 3: team because it's like, hey, we got to play our 575 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 3: pairmax guys, whatever, forty fifty sixty MILLI dollars, whatever it takes, 576 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 3: We're going to load up on rookie contracts to fill 577 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: out the roster because there's only way you can be 578 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 3: competitive is if some of these rookie deal guys kind 579 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: of popped, and the days of having the eight to 580 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 3: fifteen million dollar deal contracts that you normally need to 581 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: aggregate or to put together to assemble to get the 582 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 3: big ticket item. I don't think you're going to see 583 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: those anymore, because I don't think you're going to be like, hey, 584 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 3: if it puts us into the first apron, let's give 585 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 3: you know, a Torrian prints two years, fifteen million dollars, 586 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 3: Like nah, we really, we can, we can replace that 587 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: somewhere else. 588 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: We're good. 589 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And so you're gonna end up in a 590 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: situation where not only are teams going to be in 591 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 3: that apron where they can't even trade with each other, 592 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 3: which in itself is a stupid rule. But now you're 593 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: going to have teams who are going to be afraid 594 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: to go over to that second apron because they want 595 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 3: to be locked out. And you're gonna have these teams where, 596 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 3: you know, everybody's kind of good, but nobody's great, and 597 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 3: there's gonna be a lot of parody on a year 598 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 3: to your basis, and I'm of the belief that basketball, 599 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 3: especially is one of the sports that's better when you 600 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 3: have dominant teams, when you have villain teams that people 601 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 3: root against. This is not the NFL. 602 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to look, and you're right. The middle 603 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: class was like the Houston Rockets were five hundred, you know, 604 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 2: and then there's a huge drop off. The Rockets were eleven, 605 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: just missed the playoffs, and then it's like Jazz, you know, 606 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: twenty games under I'm sorry, ten games under five hundred, 607 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: Grizzlies injuries, Spurs young and Trailblazers, I don't know what 608 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 2: the hell they're doing. And same deal. In the East. 609 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 2: It's like, okay, there were like seven or eight good 610 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: teams and then it's like, ooh, the Bills were I'm sorry, 611 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 2: not the Bills, the Bulls were under five hundred, made 612 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: the play in and now they're dismantling their team, the 613 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: Hawks or a train wreck. They traded to John to 614 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: Murray and then there's a lot of bad. It's gonna 615 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: be tough to climb out of that hole short of 616 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: landing a Cooper flag and Ace Bailey or one of 617 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 2: these studs next year. So he's cool through a transitional time. 618 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: Obviously they're getting their TV deal. They don't care. But 619 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: from a fans perspective, I just do wonder losing lebron 620 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 2: kd Curry and oh, by the way, super teams. I 621 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 2: don't know. It just it feels like it's a lot 622 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 2: to transition out of and I just don't think that's 623 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 2: a great thing. 624 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you, and you're putting a 625 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: lot of eggs in the Anthony Edwards, Jason Tatum, Luka 626 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 3: Doncic Janni's basket, and so far, the only one that 627 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: I've seen that's had real crossover appeal has been honest 628 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: Anthony Edwards. We think has the potential to be that 629 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, even though I love Jasonantaylo, Jayson Tatum for 630 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 3: whatever reason, has not become that crossover star that you 631 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: would expect, being that he's a top five MVP guy 632 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: and he played for the Boston Celtics and Luka Doncic 633 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 3: basketball fans love him, but the casual Q raiding fans, 634 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 3: I don't think that they really check for Luca like 635 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 3: that because his style of play is not fun to watch, 636 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: you know, if you're a casual fan. He's just really 637 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: good at what he does. And Nico Lulkic has no personality. Yeah, 638 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: so you're there. There's gonna be a weird transitional period here. 639 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 4: For the NBA moving forward. 640 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so good transition for us. We are 641 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: off next week. Take a break, folks. The sports calendar 642 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: slows down. I know there's USA Basketball convening to get 643 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: ready for the Olympics, but other than that, like you know, 644 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 2: Aaron Judge chasing the triple crown, Kitland Clark and make 645 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: it an All Star team. By the way, Rob, did 646 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 2: you see the breakdown of All Star votes for the 647 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: head I did? Oh my, so Wilson on Las Vegas 648 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 2: was the leading vote getter last year that I saw, 649 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 2: with ninety six thousand votes. Ninety six thousand. Last year, 650 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 2: Kitlan Clark got seven hundred thousand this year. That's over 651 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 2: seven x for a rookie. And I told you guys, 652 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: I voted for the WNBA All Stars for the first 653 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 2: time in my life. Rob Did you vote or no? 654 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 4: I did not vote? 655 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: Okay, seven hundred thousand versus ninety six thousand last year. 656 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: I'm very curious what happens on the benches. Is there 657 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 2: icy stuff for Caitlin Clark? Are people like looking down her? 658 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: I don't. 659 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: They should make these vote public, Like Angel Reyes got 660 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: a lot of votes. I think she got three hundred 661 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: fifty thousand or so, three hundred and sixty whatever. That's 662 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: a massive number. But I think it's just bringing eyeballs 663 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 2: to the game has helped. And you know, WNBA may 664 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: have to carry the torch for us and way they 665 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 2: get to the Olympics. Also there's you know, Euros Copa, 666 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 2: so you know I love soccer. Anyways, that's it for us. 667 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: We'll be back in a week. Be safe out there, 668 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: talk to you then.