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Speaker 1: an AOC's fighting oligarchy tour, pulling massive crowds twenty months

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Speaker 1: Hilton's new book, Cali Failure, Reversing the Ruin of America's

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Speaker 1: And is that Republican? Steve Hilton? Well, Steve Hilton, it's

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Speaker 1: such an honor to have you on the show. You're

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Speaker 2: it's interesting. But equally, he doesn't pander and he's been

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Speaker 2: consistent in his views. So I think he's one to watch. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I think he's got an interesting he's you know, taking

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Speaker 2: an interesting approach to all this, and.

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Speaker 1: He seems authentic and you know, in having watched him,

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Speaker 1: he seems pretty consistent, you know, so I'll give him

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Speaker 1: credit for that. We've got to take a quick break

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Speaker 1: more with Steve Hilton on the other side, I want

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Speaker 1: to shift your book in just a second before we do,

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Speaker 1: I just want to what was it like you're publicly

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Speaker 1: involved in the Brexit campaign. You're even on the opposite

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Speaker 1: sides of your former boss, the UK Prime Minister David Cameron.

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Speaker 1: You know, what was it like to be a part

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Speaker 1: of Brexit and also what was it like to sort

445
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Speaker 1: of be on the opposite sides of your former boss

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Speaker 1: on it?

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Speaker 2: It was interesting. So I'd always felt like you talk

448
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Speaker 2: about consistency. I mean, I'd always, you know, as long

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Speaker 2: as I can remember, thought that the EU was just

450
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Speaker 2: outrageous the way it took power away from a national sovereignty,

451
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Speaker 2: away from elected governments and put it in the hands

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Speaker 2: of an unelected bureaucracy. And so I actually that was

453
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Speaker 2: very much the Conservative Party position. And in fact I

454
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Speaker 2: remember back before in meetings before David, before the election,

455
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Speaker 2: before David Cameron became Prime Minister, I as a senior advisor,

456
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Speaker 2: we would have meetings about for example, we were discussing

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Speaker 2: the possibility of leaving the EU as a policy matter,

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Speaker 2: and whether we would even put it in our platform

459
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Speaker 2: for the general election instead, and we were debating whether

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Speaker 2: that would be the right way to do it, or

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Speaker 2: whether we should have a referendum, and so, you know,

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Speaker 2: so it's not like this was some outlandish position that

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Speaker 2: they're leaving the EU. Position. It's pretty mainstream in the

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Speaker 2: Conservative Party. But then by the time it actually came

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Speaker 2: around in a classic manner, you know, people who've been

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Speaker 2: in power, they get you know, they the phrase in

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Speaker 2: England of it's a familiar phrase. They you know, they

468
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Speaker 2: go native kind of get attached to the way that

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Speaker 2: things work. I felt very strongly that this was a

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Speaker 2: really big decision for the UK. By that time, I

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Speaker 2: was living in America. We moved here in twenty twelve,

472
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Speaker 2: but I had just written a book. It came out

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Speaker 2: for in twenty fifteen called More Human, Designing a World

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Speaker 2: where People Come First, And then the paperback came out

475
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Speaker 2: in the UK the nexty in twenty sixteen, and I

476
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Speaker 2: did a forward for it. I kind of updated it,

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Speaker 2: as you do, and one of the themes of the

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Speaker 2: book was that everything's become too big and bureaucratic and

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Speaker 2: centralized and removed from the human scale. And I applied

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Speaker 2: that argument right across a whole bunch of policy errors,

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Speaker 2: from schools and healthcare and you know, the economy, everything,

482
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Speaker 2: and of course to government itself. It's just become too

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Speaker 2: big and bureaucratic and centralized. And there's no better example

484
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Speaker 2: of that than the EU. So I updated it in

485
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Speaker 2: the context of the referendum which had already been called,

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Speaker 2: and it got a lot of attention in the UK,

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Speaker 2: and I went back to campaign for it, and I

488
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Speaker 2: don't know, I felt good about it. I felt like

489
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Speaker 2: I was just saying what I thought, and actually it

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Speaker 2: was interesting. I didn't myself think of it as any

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Speaker 2: kind of personal disagreement, but I'm afraid David Cameron did

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Speaker 2: see it as that, because he very much saw it

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Speaker 2: as a referendum not just on Brexit, but basically on

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Speaker 2: his prime ministership, and indeed, as soon as he lost,

495
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Speaker 2: like literally the next morning, he resigned, And so I

496
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Speaker 2: think he felt it as a kind of personal betrayal

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Speaker 2: because his job was on the line, whereas I was

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Speaker 2: looking at it as as a question of political philosophy.

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Speaker 1: The UK has got a lot of problems right now,

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Speaker 1: mass immigration issues as well as free speech issues. Are

501
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Speaker 1: those two intertwined and where is that all going?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think it's all one thing actually, if you

503
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Speaker 2: look back over the last few years in the UK's again,

504
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Speaker 2: I wasn't involved in it. We've been here since twenty

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Speaker 2: twelve and I'm an American now. But the performance of

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Speaker 2: the I mean, you don't even want to use the

507
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Speaker 2: word conservative, you know, the Conservative government since Brexit has

508
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Speaker 2: just been totally lamentable and unconservative. I mean the whole

509
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Speaker 2: point for example of Brexit, not the whole point, but

510
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Speaker 2: like a really important central argument as prominent in the

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Speaker 2: Brexit argument as it was in President Trump's campaigns both

512
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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen and just now, was the immigration argument.

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Speaker 2: Controlling our borders. That was really central to the Brexit

514
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Speaker 2: argument because in the EU you have zero control. It's

515
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Speaker 2: literally open borders within the EU. That's how it works.

516
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Speaker 2: They call it free movement of people. And so that

517
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Speaker 2: was like at the heart of the Brexit argument and

518
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Speaker 2: they haven't done anything about it. So you get Brexit,

519
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Speaker 2: but you don't get immigration control. In fact, the numbers

520
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Speaker 2: have gone up since Brexit in the UK, So like,

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Speaker 2: what were they doing? And I think on all of

522
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Speaker 2: these measures, you know, the clamping down on free speech

523
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Speaker 2: and all of this stuff, it just felt like you

524
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Speaker 2: had a conservative government that wasn't conservative at all, and

525
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Speaker 2: that's why they suffer this absolutely massive defeat. Now you've

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Speaker 2: got a labor government that's even worse, and it just

527
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Speaker 2: feels like the UK is really lost. Actually, it's very

528
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Speaker 2: sad to see.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about your home stay, which is also

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Speaker 1: last Rate wrote the book about it call of Failure,

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Speaker 1: Reversing the Ruin of America's worst run State. You sure

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Speaker 1: know how to pick them? Stea kidding? Okay, So you

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Speaker 1: name California obviously is America's worst run state. I guess

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Speaker 1: what gives it that distinction from your point of view

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Speaker 1: and the argument you make in the book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the first thing I say is I

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Speaker 2: love California. It's my home. You know, I raised my

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Speaker 2: family there, started a business that you know, I still

539
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Speaker 2: think it's there's nowhere better than California. But it's just

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Speaker 2: so disastrously run and it breaks my heart. And that's

541
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Speaker 2: one of the reasons I wanted to write the book

542
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Speaker 2: because I'm more and more engaged in the fight to

543
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Speaker 2: save California. And you've got to make the argument about

544
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Speaker 2: what's gone wrong, how it's gone wrong, and how to

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Speaker 2: put it right. And I'd also say it's a warning

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Speaker 2: to the rest of the country because I mean, just

547
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Speaker 2: going back to what we were discussing AOC and Bernie Well,

548
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: that agenda, that policy agenda that Bernie and AOC are pushing.

549
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Speaker 2: We don't need to guess what it would look like.

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Speaker 2: That's basically what has been implemented in California for years now,

551
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Speaker 2: in these nearly two decades of one party rule by

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Speaker 2: the Democrats, and they've gone further and further left and

553
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Speaker 2: they've basically implemented all the things they want, the Green

554
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Speaker 2: New Deal, massive increases in the minimum wage, taxes, regulations,

555
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Speaker 2: everything that they want. That's California today. And so you ask, like,

556
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Speaker 2: how do you define it as the worst trund and say, well,

557
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: just look at the numbers. It's unbelievable how badly California

558
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Speaker 2: is doing on every single measure pretty much that matters.

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Speaker 2: California is the worst in America. Like not even like

560
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Speaker 2: in the middle or forty first out of fifty or whatever.

561
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Speaker 2: It's the work. We have the highest rate of poverty,

562
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Speaker 2: the highest taxes, the highest costs for pretty much everything

563
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Speaker 2: that matters, housing, gas, electricity, water, all of that, the

564
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Speaker 2: most expensive in America. We had the lowest income growth

565
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Speaker 2: last year in America, the highest unemployment. Right now it's

566
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Speaker 2: this month it's the second highest unemployment, but you know,

567
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Speaker 2: for a lot of last year it was the highest unemployment.

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Speaker 2: The worst business climate, which is amazing when you think

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Speaker 2: of California as the home of innovation and all these things.

570
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Speaker 2: Chief Executive magazine does a survey every year chief executives

571
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Speaker 2: around the country which states have the best and worst

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Speaker 2: business climate, and they rank them California has been last

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Speaker 2: for ten years, bottom and a not there are more measures.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just unbelievable everything. It's not just what

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Speaker 2: i've a homelessness. We have eleven percent of the US population,

576
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Speaker 2: five percent of the US homeless. It's just a terrible,

577
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Speaker 2: terrible record, a complete failure on every single front. And

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Speaker 2: they say, when you put all this to Democrats, they say, well,

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Speaker 2: we're still you know, we're the fifth biggest economy in

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Speaker 2: the world. And that's true. If you took California out

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Speaker 2: of the US on our own, wouldn't be the fifth biggest.

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Speaker 2: Commany great, but when you look at what that is

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Speaker 2: driven by, it's basically these giant tech monopolies with huge

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Speaker 2: revenue that boy up California's GDP, but they hardly employ

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Speaker 2: anyone in relatively speaking. And that's why you can have

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Speaker 2: this kind of thing at the same time, the fifth

587
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Speaker 2: biggest economy but the highest unemployment in America. And so

588
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Speaker 2: something is going really badly wrong. And this is what

589
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Speaker 2: you get when Democrats get everything they want. That's why

590
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Speaker 2: this is a real message for the rest of the country.

591
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Speaker 2: This is the Democrat plan in action. Look at it.

592
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Speaker 2: It's in California right now today, and it's completely failed, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and we know that the decline's been ongoing, but

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Speaker 1: at what point did it excel?

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Speaker 2: So I think that the real answer that question is

596
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Speaker 2: is just over ten years ago when they got a

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Speaker 2: supermajority in the legislature. Because it's not just the government,

598
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Speaker 2: it's not just Gavin Newsom a lot of this, you know,

599
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Speaker 2: I mean just the stories. I mean, just to take

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Speaker 2: one step back, I think the sort of defining characteristic

601
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Speaker 2: of all of this and the reason everything's gone so

602
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: badly wrong is the massive growth of big, bloated, bossy

603
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: nanny state government. Just it's this enormous growth of the government.

604
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Speaker 2: They've doubled the budget of the state of California in

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Speaker 2: the last ten years pretty much, even though the population

606
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Speaker 2: has been falling. So everything is affected by that. It's

607
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Speaker 2: impossible to run a business, to build anything, whatever. It's

608
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: all a nightmare. And the real and when that really

609
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Speaker 2: started was when they achieved a supermajority in the legislature,

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Speaker 2: and that meant that they had no more you know,

611
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Speaker 2: need to get Republican votes on anything. Well, there's two

612
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: things that happened. They put in place a ballot initiative

613
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Speaker 2: called Proposition twenty five. I believe that was twenty ten

614
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Speaker 2: when they they changed the requirement for passing a budget

615
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Speaker 2: in the state legislature. It used to be that you

616
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: needed two thirds votes to pass a budget, and they

617
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: reduced that to just a simple majority in order to

618
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Speaker 2: make it easier for them to get their way without

619
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Speaker 2: any kind of input from the opposing party. So that

620
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Speaker 2: itself was the first step, but they didn't even need

621
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Speaker 2: that for very long, because in twenty twelve they did

622
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Speaker 2: achieve just through actually through gerrymandering, two thirds majorities in

623
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Speaker 2: the state Assembly in the state Senate, so total control

624
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Speaker 2: of the legislature. And it's been like that ever since,

625
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Speaker 2: which means that they've just there's been no challenge to them.

626
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: They've got so it's all the pressure is coming from

627
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Speaker 2: the left, from the activists who basically control them, the

628
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: unions who fund them. They especially the government unions, the

629
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Speaker 2: teacher unions and so on. They themselves are controlled by

630
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Speaker 2: far left activists. So just the insane legislation that's been

631
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: coming out and the governors have just signed it and

632
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: gone along with it, and they haven't stood up to

633
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: the party. So I think that's the origin of it

634
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Speaker 2: when they when they achieved the super majority of I

635
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: just want to make a point about that, which is

636
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Speaker 2: that if you look at and this is I think

637
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Speaker 2: the note of optimism for California, it's a much more

638
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: Republican state than people think. So even in a bad

639
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: year for Republicans, when you have like a you know,

640
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: a not particularly well known candidate with no money, That's

641
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Speaker 2: what happened last time in the governor's race, Gavin Newsom

642
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: was up for reelection. The Republican candidate was a guy

643
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: called Brian Dally, nice guy. You know, I did my

644
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Speaker 2: best to support in put upon my shows and all

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Speaker 2: the rest of it. He was a state senator from

646
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: the north of state. But he didn't have any money,

647
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: barely had a campaign, but he got forty one percent.

648
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: He got forty point eight percent. I believe it was like,

649
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: call it forty one percent of the vote with like

650
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: no campaign effectively, and in fact, the average share of

651
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: the vote for Republicans and statewide elections in the last

652
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: twenty years is nearly forty two So that's there's a

653
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: very solid, call it forty percent Republican support in California.

654
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: But if you look at the legislature, you don't have

655
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: forty percent representation for Republicans. It's not even thirty five

656
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: or thirty or twenty five is twenty percent, And that's

657
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: achieved through jerry mandering that the Democrats did. They hijacked

658
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: a ballot initiative that was the past in two thousand

659
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: and eight. It was called independent redistricting, but they totally

660
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: hijacked it to draw the districts in a way that

661
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: suited them. And now they have this supermajority and they've

662
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: completely you know, caved to the left on everything, and

663
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: so you end up this insane legislation going through a

664
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: plus also insane volumes of legislation. It's incredible how many

665
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: bills they passed, just the sheer volume of crap that

666
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: comes out of Sacramento. That's really the sort of defining

667
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: thing too. The supermajority in the legislature totally unchallenged by

668
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: the governor.

669
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: Well, and I think people were alarmed by just the

670
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: inability to govern on the basic level with the fires. Yes,

671
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 1: we recently saw with both Gavin Newsom's inability Karen Bass

672
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: as well, And then I was reading that there was

673
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: a reservoir specifically set up for the Pacific Palisades and

674
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: it was empty, and so it's like, you know, and

675
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: then you had the California legislature meeting about how to

676
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: stop Trump and see you know, so it's like, I

677
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: think it was alarming, you know. So it walk us

678
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: through that and sort of what that highlights, you know,

679
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: also some of the problems in California as well.

680
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: Well. Exactly. I remember I was in the I spoke

681
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: at a congressional hearing about the wildfires, and you know,

682
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: it's the classic sort of pantomiming after Democrats, you know,

683
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: doing their partisan stunts and whatever. And there was one

684
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: woman on there, a Democrat member of Congress from I

685
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: don't know where, I think Vermont, and she was and

686
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: there were four of us who were witnesses, and I'd

687
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: been very critical, you know, and I had made all

688
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: these points out the failures of policy, that the climate extremism,

689
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: that meant that all these regulatory agencies had literally stopped

690
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: residents from clearing the brush by their on the hillsides

691
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: near their homes even though they wanted to. They were

692
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: fined if they did proper fire maintenance, all on the

693
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: grounds of you know, cut carbon and air quality. It's

694
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: just ridiculous stuff. Right. So I was making all these

695
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: points and plus the reservoir and all the rest of it.

696
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: But this woman just she came in with these classic

697
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: congressional pantomime questions. He goes, do you believe the fires

698
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: were caused? You start made a little speech about DEI.

699
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: It's all you know, Republicans say, this is all DEI.

700
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: Do you remember about the fire chief and whatever? Do

701
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: you think the fires were caused by the fact that

702
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: the fire chief is a lesbian? Like? No, But the

703
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: point I made was like, actually, you take the acronym DEI.

704
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 2: It is the cause of all this. Just give it

705
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: a new name democrat, extremism and incompetence. And it's those

706
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: two things together. They're extremism and their incompetence that made

707
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: this fire disaster so much worse than it need have been.

708
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that thing with the cover sort with the reservoir,

709
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: it's just so insane. Exactly as you say, that reservoir

710
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: was built in order to hold water in the event

711
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: of a fire in that part of the city, one

712
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: hundred and seventeen million galons, and it had been empty

713
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: for a year, and the reason that they it was

714
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: empty was because there's some regulation about covering it in

715
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: order to preserve the you know, from preserve the water

716
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: quality from you know, bird droppings or whatever. Fine, okay,

717
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: but there was a tear in the cover, that's the reason.

718
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: But they could have just fixed the cover, but they didn't.

719
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: They emptied the whole reservoir and they had it and

720
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: they didn't even realize or didn't think that it would

721
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: be a problem that it would be empty during fire season.

722
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 2: This is a totally predictable event, the Santa Anna winds

723
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: that kind of whip up these sides of every year.

724
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: These weren't even the worst ever. They were bad, but

725
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 2: there was not unprecedented and it's just unbelievable. But by

726
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 2: the way, the person in charge of that that comes

727
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: out of the La City Department of Water and Power,

728
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: the person that was hired to run that by Carabas.

729
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 2: Her salary is seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year.

730
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's unbelievable. And you think, well, what's

731
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: going and you look at these the way these this

732
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: is what happens when they get completely complacent. There's no

733
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: accountability because there's no challenge from They don't think that

734
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: there's any political competition or threat. They get totally complacent.

735
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: There's total arrogance, and they do these things and there's

736
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: no kind of accountability for it because they don't feel

737
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: the pressure from any kind of political challenge. It's all

738
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 2: within their own party. And then the real thing is

739
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: you get all these machine politicians rising up through the ranks,

740
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: like Karen Bass, who are basically useless. They kind of

741
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: left wing, bureaucratic minded people. Their skill is managing you know,

742
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: the unions and the activists and all of that stuff.

743
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: They have no clue. They've never done a real job.

744
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris is exactly the same, and it's just a

745
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: disaster because they don't know how to run things properly

746
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: and they have bad ideas that are just left wing

747
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: ideology instead of common sense practical quick.

748
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: Break more, Steve, you identify nine pathologies that have led

749
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: to the state's failure. How did you come up with

750
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: those and sort of what was the thought process and

751
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: trying to yeah, identify.

752
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: What is this, you know, like, how did this happen?

753
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: And you know, I've talked about some of the sort

754
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: of practical things, you know that the two thirsd majority

755
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Also, it's a very important point,

756
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: which is the whole process was really initiated by Reagan

757
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: when he gave collective bargaining rights as governor to the

758
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: government union starting with firefighters and police and so on,

759
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: and then Jerry Brown extended that. So that's created this

760
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 2: incredibly powerful political force which is the government unions in California.

761
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: They spent about a billion dollars a year on political activity,

762
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: and of course in exchange for that, they get you know,

763
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: luxury pensions and health care and so on. It's totally corrupt.

764
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: So that's a very big factor in it as well.

765
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: But I was just thinking was going through. I didn't

766
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: just want to say, well, this is this is how

767
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: they screwed up homelessness or whatever. I wanted to go

768
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 2: a bit deeper than that, Well what's going on here? Why?

769
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: And so I went through all the failures and was

770
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: trying to think honestly about, well, why do they do that?

771
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: What's that about? And as I went through, I just thought,

772
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 2: you know, that's why I came to these these different

773
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: as I call them pathologies, because it is pathological none

774
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: of this really makes sense. For example, if you look

775
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 2: at the homelessness crisis, there's a law that was passed

776
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen called how First, the only one of

777
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: its kind in the country at any state level, which

778
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: makes it illegal for anyone offering homelessness services that have

779
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 2: any kind of state funding in California to require sobriety

780
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 2: or mandated drug treatment or anything. And given that eighty

781
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: percent plus of people who are living on the streets

782
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 2: have a drug problem or alcohol or both mental health problems,

783
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 2: it's just insane that it's illegal to deal with those

784
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: problems and it makes no sense. But what's behind that.

785
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: It's pathological. It's like if we force people off the

786
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: streets and into drug treatment somehow, that's not compassionate, and

787
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: that we have to be compassionate and let people do

788
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: But that's not actual compassionate. That's why I call it compassionism.

789
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: Is this ideological, demented kind of view that I want

790
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: to look compassionate by not you know, forcing people to

791
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 2: do things that they don't want to do, and it's

792
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: just ridiculous, makes no sense, and that informs a lot

793
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: of their stuff. You know, even in schools, you know

794
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: where they've basically made it impossible to discipline unruly kids

795
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: and it all has to be restorative justice whatever. It so,

796
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: all this this pathology of compassionism rather than true compassion,

797
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: and you go through all the issues, it's all like that.

798
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: The climate stuff makes no sense. It's you know, they're

799
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: literally shutting down our own oil and gas industry, which

800
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: is used to provide eighty percent of the fault of

801
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: the oil and gas we're using California. We still use

802
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 2: basically the same amount. It's gone down a little bit

803
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: in the last few years, but it's pretty much. You know,

804
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: I mean, eighty percent of our total energy use in

805
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: California is fossil fuels. But now instead of producing eighty

806
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: percent of that in state and importing twenty percent, it's

807
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: the other way around. We import most of the oil

808
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: and gas we use, and they're shipping oil. They're shutting

809
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: down oil wells and oil fields in Kern County, California,

810
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 2: you know, one hundred miles or so from Los Angeles

811
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: where the refineries are. You could send it there in

812
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 2: nice pipelines and clean and safe, instead of which they're

813
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 2: literally shipping it in halfway across the world from places

814
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 2: like Iraq on giant supertankers, which run on the most

815
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: filthy fuel it's called bunker fuel, the most polluting form

816
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: of transportation on the planet. They're shipping it halfway across

817
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: the world. So in the name of climate, they are

818
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 2: literally increasing carbon emissions. It's insane, it makes no sense.

819
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: But it's this ideological pathology. It's like climatism, that's what

820
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: I call it. It's like, we want to look like

821
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: we are fighting fossil fuels, but it's insane, and you

822
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: go through all the issues, that's what it comes down to.

823
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: It is this totally extreme ideology above any kind of practicality.

824
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: That's wild. I wanted to ask you, So your parents

825
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: escaped communism, how has it shaped your political views and

826
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: also how you view California.

827
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I never really thought it did very much,

828
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: but now I'm more engaged in it. I realized that

829
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: it does. And it's that real instinctive kind of rejection

830
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 2: of overbearing government that just you know, tries to control people,

831
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: and and you know, it's really interesting. I remember I've

832
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: thought about this more recently, particularly in the context of speech.

833
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 2: Free speech. When I was a kid, so I was

834
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: born in the UK, but all of my family, my

835
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 2: parents are Hunger and my stepfather's Hunger. Everybody's Hungarian, and

836
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 2: most of the family is still in Hungary. And when

837
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: I was a kid, we used to go there all

838
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: the time. Less so now, but I spent every summer

839
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: there from Christmas as well. And I remember I had

840
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 2: two cousins and I remember, you know, ten or eleven

841
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 2: years old something like that, walking around on the streets

842
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: of the town, our hometown, which is a town called

843
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: sege s z e g Eds in the south of Hungry,

844
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: beautiful town. And I remember, I don't know why I

845
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: was doing this. I guess I was always, you know,

846
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 2: a bit of a I don't know what this says

847
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: about me, but anyway, I was walking around and in

848
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: Hungary and I speak Hungary, was yelling on the street

849
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: the name of the then communist leader of Hungary, guy

850
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: called Kadad Kadar Yad, and I was saying in Hungary,

851
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: cawd who yeah, which means idiot, like Cad is an idiot,

852
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: you know. Just I don't know why. Anyway, that night,

853
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 2: I remember my aunt taking me to one side and said,

854
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: I heard about what you said today. And I know

855
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: in England that's fine, it doesn't matter. You can say

856
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: things like that. But here you just can't say things

857
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 2: like that in public. Your cousins could really be punished

858
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Speaker 2: for that at school, that I could even lose my job.

859
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Speaker 2: So just don't say things like that. And as you

860
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: remember thinking, I hardly thought about it, and then it

861
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 2: came back to me in the context of what's going

862
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: on in California. Like one of the chapters in my

863
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: book is called Maoism, which is the kind of the policing.

864
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Speaker 2: A lot of these terrible things that have infected the

865
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Speaker 2: rest of the country started in California. The speech controls,

866
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: the race, the race extremism, equity agenda, the gender extremism,

867
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Speaker 2: the green you did. So many of these things started

868
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Speaker 2: in California, and the speech control staff really got going

869
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: in California universities. And I'm just thinking, what is this,

870
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Speaker 2: what's going on because there are so many people in

871
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Speaker 2: America today, In California today, I've heard so many people

872
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Speaker 2: who said, I can't say what I think is I'm

873
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 2: going to lose my job. And you know, I think

874
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: it's now with the last election was a real fight

875
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: back against that. So that's great, and of course elon

876
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 2: with X et cetera. But we really got to a

877
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: point where this comparison of the left here with communism

878
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: was not outlandish. Actually it was really the same kind

879
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: of mindset. And I think that for me, it's very

880
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: much about I just can't stand, you know, over mighty

881
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: arrogant institutions, whether that's the government or unions or anyone else, like, no,

882
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: don't tell me what to do. That's why I feel

883
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: so at home in America and so proud to be

884
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: an American, Like we're the home of that and that spirit,

885
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: and California should be the most like that in the

886
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: sense that we were built as a state, you know,

887
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: the pioneers and the rebels and the and if you

888
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: think about all the great things that you know, whether

889
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: that's Hollywood or Silicon Valley, it's a rebel mentality. It's

890
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: a it's a it's disruptive. It's not this kind of

891
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: nanny state bullshit, you know. And I think what we

892
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: see now in California is just the absolute opposite of

893
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: the spirit of California, which is, let me follow my

894
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: dream and live my life and don't tell me what

895
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: to do, and we have the opposite and I feel

896
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: really strongly about it.

897
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: I think that's why we're friends. Don't tell me what

898
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: to do, same mentality, Steve. Before we go, we saw

899
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Speaker 1: President Trump make in roads in California. Can Republican win

900
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: a gubernatorial race there? And is that Republican?

901
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: You? Yeah, well, look, I'm very dirrected about it. Thank you.

902
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm very strongly considering it. I've been working along those lines.

903
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: I haven't made a final decision yet. Kamala Harris tells

904
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: us that she'll make a decision by the end of

905
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: the summer. I'll make my much sooner than that. I

906
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: think that the signs are encouraging. I'm not saying it's

907
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: going to be easy, but good, good, encouraging signs. I mean,

908
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: as you say, President Trump did really well, best of

909
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: any Republican candidate for generation. You saw ten counties flip

910
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: from blue to red last time in November, including you know,

911
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 2: you know, not just kind of tiny, you know, important

912
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 2: ones like Fresno County, the fifth biggest city in California,

913
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 2: so that's all good. You saw Prop thirty six, which

914
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 2: reversed the disastrous Prop forty seven, Kamala Harris's pro crime

915
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 2: initiative pass overwhelming the seventy percent. George Gascon lost in LA,

916
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 2: the far left da same in Oakland, et cetera. So

917
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 2: those were good signs. Also another thing I'll point to,

918
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: which is really just a bit. It's local, but it

919
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 2: gives you a sense of what you can achieve. There's

920
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: Huntington Beach, well known beach city in Orange County, Surf City, USA,

921
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: home of the beach was you know, they they like

922
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 2: just over when twenty twenty that the city council Huntington

923
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 2: Beach was six' to One. Democrats and then in twenty twenty,

924
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: two a friend of, Mine Tony, strickland longtime political guy In,

925
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: california he put together a team of, candidates four of

926
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 2: them run for the city council on a very clear

927
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: common sense but you, know strongly you could say maga.

928
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: Platform AND i think for too Long republicans In california

929
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 2: have had this idea that the way you the only

930
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: way you can win is to be kind of slightly

931
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: in a little bit like A democrat and water it.

932
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: Down and It's, california so he can't be too kind of. Conservative.

933
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: Whatever they went totally the opposite, direction very Strong maga,

934
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: direction and they won four to. Three they took control

935
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 2: of the, council and then they started to implement a

936
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: very aggressive conservative agenda on homelessness and, crime what was

937
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: available in the, libraries you. Know they challenged the really

938
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 2: aggressive lawsuits Against Gavin newsom on all his statewide, mandates

939
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: and they passed VOTER id In Huntington beach in a ballot.

940
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: Initiative so they did all these things and then just

941
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: now In, november they and they ran seven candidates this,

942
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: time the seven on the council and they literally called

943
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: themselves The magnificent seven honing To. Beach they, Won they all,

944
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 2: won and so now seven Zero. Republicans so in the

945
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: space of four, years they've gone from six to One

946
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: democrat to seven Zero. Republican AND i just think that,

947
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: spirit that fight is really infectious and that's what we

948
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: need to. Do and then that's all of that is

949
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 2: before the, fires which of course totally woke everyone up

950
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 2: to the complete calamitous you, know mismanagement and the. Fires

951
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: it's very important that they're In la Because La county

952
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: is the biggest, county twenty three percent of the, electorate

953
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: So republicans have to do better IN la if they're

954
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: going to have a, Shot and so all of that comes,

955
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: TOGETHER i think in to create conditions WHERE i think

956
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: this is the best chance for you, know at least

957
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: two decades for A republican to. Win so it's not

958
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: going to be, easy but it's definitely. Doable there was

959
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: a poll just, NOW i literally this, week forty eight

960
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 2: percent Of californians would consider voting for A. Republican SO

961
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: i think it's definitely all to play.

962
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: For very interesting stuff that the book is Calif, Failure

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Speaker 1: reversing The ruin Of america's worst run. State Steve, Hilon you're,

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Speaker 1: brilliant my, friend really interesting. CONVERSATION i enjoyed it very.

965
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 1: MUCH i hope to see you. Soon, yes love being with.

966
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: You thank, You.

967
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: LISA i got to see you at the. Inauguration we

968
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: were on air, together which was a. Treat so, hopefully,

969
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully we see each other.

970
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 2: Again, absolutely thank.

971
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Speaker 1: You appreciate you guys at home for listening Every tuesday And,

972
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: thursday but you can listen throughout the week until next.

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Speaker 1: Time