1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B. Wilson 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Friday. We did our third installment of 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: six Impossible episodes Mother Goose Rhymes today. These are so fun. 5 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: I enjoy them. I think we may be nearing the 6 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: end of them, just because I felt like with this 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: one there were fewer poems to talk about that we 8 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: had not already talked about, that there is some sort 9 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: of purported historical explanation to talk about, and also I 10 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: felt like the purported historical explanations being offered there was 11 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: like even less back up than in earlier It just 12 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: feels like we may be coming to a natural end 13 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: of this particular series. One question that people have asked 14 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: the last couple times we've done this or slash suggestion 15 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: is that we do one that is about like, not 16 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: English language nursery rhymes, And in particular, wouldn't it be 17 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 1: nice to have one that was like, not even about 18 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: languages from Europe nursery rhymes. And while I agree that 19 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: is a cool idea, the thing that makes these episodes 20 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: possible is having been so steeped in all of these 21 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: poems since before I could read that I they are 22 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: there in my mind immediately, And that is not trying 23 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: to like number one, find nursery rhymes to talk about 24 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: for a language that we don't speak, and then to 25 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: be able to get to the possible cultural context of 26 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: them for a culture we're not part of. Like that 27 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: is just so far from our experience and knowledge that 28 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't think it's really gonna work out 29 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: for this show. Yeah, I feel like that's the kind 30 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: of thing you get a grant for and you go 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: take six or eight months to do. Yeah that would yeah, 32 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: which should be amazing, but like not really plausible on 33 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: a right weekly episode show. Yeah yeah, we uh, people 34 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: know this if they listen to us all the time. 35 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: We do two new episodes of the show each week, 36 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: with each of us writing one, which means we can't 37 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: take six months to research something or totally get the 38 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: foundational knowledge for something that is like so far outside 39 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: of our experience, which is a frustration sometimes, Like sometimes 40 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: I wish I could just like magically have all of 41 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: the knowledge to talk about something that's totally outside the 42 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: realm of anything we have ever covered before. But that 43 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: can be just not feasible in the time it's allowed, 44 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: which is why sometimes we have authors on the show 45 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: who have different knowledge and experience than we do. Yes, 46 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: but then that requires preparation a whole different other way us. 47 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: Two things came up in this research that caused me 48 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: to question whether maybe I had accidentally fallen into some 49 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: kind of alternate universe in sort of like a Berenstein 50 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: Bear's situation. Tommy Thumb's Pretty Songbook, Yes, I have one 51 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: hundred percent for sure called it Tom Thumb's Pretty Songbook 52 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: in previous episodes, and I thought that was the name 53 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: of it. I thought it was Tom Thumb's Pretty Songbook. 54 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: And the first time I saw Tommy Thumb's Pretty Songbook 55 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: when doing research for this, I was like, is that right? 56 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: And then not only is it right, like there's nowhere 57 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: that it's written as Tom Thumb's and I'm just like 58 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: I I it was solidified in my brain as Tom 59 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: Thumb's Pretty Songbook, not Tommy Thumbs. The other thing is 60 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: Tommy Thumbs sounds like a character that got written out 61 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: of Goodfellas kind of Tommy Thumbs. He got pretty songs. 62 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 1: The other thing is I have read some of ts 63 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: Eliot's work. I studied some of it in college in 64 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: literature classes. I have always associated ts Eliot with British poetry. 65 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Hello me too, because he did I mean, he moved 66 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: to the UK, became a British citizenship, renounced his US 67 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: citizenship all the time. Like I had never really studied 68 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: his biography in any way, but like always in my 69 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: head he's been a British poet. No. Uh. When I 70 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: got to the part about how he learned here we go, 71 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: here we go around the mulberry bush, uh, and that 72 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: for him it was a prickly pair apparently, and that 73 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: he had grown up in Saint Louis, Missouri, I was like, 74 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: that cannot be right. And then I looked it up 75 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: and yes, T. S. Eliot grew up in Saint Louis, Missouri. 76 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: And I was just like, am I am I having 77 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: a break with I've fallen into the wasteland? Yeah, Like 78 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: it's is there a glitch in the matrix? What is happening? 79 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: So yeah, both of those two things. I just had 80 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: a weird existential hall. It's tom Tommy Thumb's Pretty Songbook 81 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: and T. S. Eliot was not raised in the UK. Once, 82 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: I love it. I had a moment when I was 83 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: first reading You're outline where I was right out of 84 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: the gate, I was like, wait, there's some I mean, 85 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: I remember hearing the Cannon story about Humpty Dumpty. Uh huh, 86 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: but I was like, yeah, but everybody knows it's an egg, 87 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: Like it never occurred to me that it could not 88 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: have been an egg, might have not been an egg. Yeah. 89 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: I was like, that's what broke my little brain. Uh what. 90 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: I don't remember which which bit of research it was 91 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: that I was reading, but they were talking about Humpty Dumpty, 92 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: and they were talking about how this only really makes 93 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: sense as a riddle if there's a reason for an 94 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: egg to be on a wall in the first place, 95 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: like why is the egg on the wall? And I 96 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: was like as, And then I was trying to think 97 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: through various riddles that I know, and like whether there 98 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: are weird details like that that could really be considered 99 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: some kind of a strange red herring. But yeah, uh, 100 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: that chicken had a couple of drinks. Yeah. I Also, 101 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: I think I have always sort of imagined Humpty Dumpty 102 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: in my head as like an egg but with arms 103 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: and legs and a crown on his head is an egg? Yeah, 104 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: crown optional for me, but her person. Yeah. The end 105 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: got around on the same pape as that. My brain 106 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: also made a very silly association, and then I was like, oh, 107 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: somebody study that. Which is that? Towards the end, when 108 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: we were talking about the opies, kind of noting that 109 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: there are these very similar person waiting for a thing, 110 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: I was like, somebody write a paper about how this 111 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: relates to Samuel Beckett's waiting for GOODO, please, somebody write 112 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: that paper? Please? That sounds yeah? Do it? I mean 113 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: I love me some Beckett, so yeah, and did. My 114 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: senior project in college was about Samuel Beckett. But I 115 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: had never I actually Gido is probably the least studied 116 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: of his pieces for me. Yeah, but I just loved 117 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: the idea of it suddenly being a really weird extrapolation 118 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: of a nursery run and how that could be a 119 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: completely different interpretation of what that is. Yeah. That sounds interesting, though, 120 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: somebody else do it. I'm lazy. I have seeded the 121 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: plant and now it can grow in someone else's brain. Yeah. 122 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: My my senior thesis in literature was about the poetry 123 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: of Audrey and Rich and Muriel Rockeiser and with like 124 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: just a weird Now, in hindsight many years later, focus 125 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: on sort of a pop psychology. But it was a 126 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: whole weird thing. It did not make a lot of sense. 127 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: And sometimes it's one of the weird things that I 128 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: occasional occasionally will look back on it and go, Huh, 129 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: how did I come up with this weird thing that 130 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: I did for two poets whose worked that I really loved. 131 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: It took a really strange angle. Anyway, That's more than 132 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: anyone needed to know about my bachelor's degree. We talked 133 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: about the Chicken of Tomorrow contest this week, as well 134 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: as a lot of background about chickens in general. Yeah, 135 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: this gave me many flashbacks because my parents used to 136 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: raise chickens when I was a kid. We did not 137 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: raise chickens ourselves, but we had neighbors who raised chickens. 138 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: We had chickens. A lot of chickens. I don't mean 139 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: like we had four chickens. I mean we had hundreds 140 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: of chickens. Oh wow, that's a lot. It was a lot. 141 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: We had a little like mini farm situation going on. 142 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: And I will tell you what might be the most 143 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: disturbing fact about me, okay, which is that on chicken 144 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: slaughtering day, I would drag my little holly hobby table 145 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: and chair set out to just outside the chicken yard 146 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: and I would do Howard Cosell play by play of 147 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: the whole event. I I kind of loved this. Some 148 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: of it was really grizzly, and I was at the 149 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: time pretty comfortable with this stuff. But as I've gotten older, 150 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm too I'm soft. I couldn't well and I do 151 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: that again. One of the things as I was researching this, 152 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: While a lot of what I was focused on was 153 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: like the what actually happened with this contest, and like 154 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: the historical context for the contest, of course, there were 155 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: many things that I also read as part of this 156 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: that were more written from an animal rights perspective more recently, 157 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: that were about, in one way or another, the state 158 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: of chicken farming today. And one of the arguments that 159 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: I saw somebody make was that if a person wants 160 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: to eat animal meat in any way, they should be 161 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: required to like participate in the raising and slaughtering process 162 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: to see what it's actually like. And you're your anecdote 163 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: just reminded me of that. Yeah, I mean, I know 164 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: what it's actually like. I know, every time we say 165 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: we love animals on the show, someone writes to us 166 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: to say, but you're not vegan and you might be 167 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: a monster, And I'm like, but I have participated, and 168 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: I have seen humane farms versus any we Yeah, Like, 169 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: I have also done trips to industrial slaughterhouses and they're 170 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: horrifying and haunt me, right, which is why I try 171 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: to always source anything I eat from not that. Yeah, 172 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,839 Speaker 1: most of the meat that we eat in our household 173 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: we are getting directly from a farmer. We have a 174 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: meat share. It was specifically a poultry share for a 175 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: couple of years, and then the farmer that we were 176 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: working with decided they needed to kind of retool what 177 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: they were, like how their chicken process was working, and 178 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: they had a couple of unfortunate that time. This is 179 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: a sad story. You might want to like skip ahead 180 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: maybe thirty seconds if you're going to be really bummed 181 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: out by a sad story about chickens. During that time, 182 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: in the early pandemic months when there was just a 183 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: total backlog at the postal service and mail was delayed 184 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: by our really long time. They had whole shipments of 185 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: chickens that didn't arrive on time and were dead when 186 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: they got there. Yeah, and of course that was like 187 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: upsetting and horrifying to everybody involved. But we know that 188 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: this farmer is working with all of their animals in 189 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: like a respectful way. In addition to feeling like we 190 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: are getting, we're supporting a farmer who is taking these 191 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: steps and who is you know, trying to be thoughtful 192 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: and compassionate and how they raise them care for these animals. 193 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: The variety of the eggs that we get from them 194 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: delights me because there are It's not like from the 195 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: grocery store most of the time where you open the 196 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: box and it's like a dozen identical eggs. They are 197 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: different colors and different sizes and different. I love them. 198 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: It's great. So anyway, I know that for a lot 199 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: of folks like that is not enough and they do 200 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: not want to eat any animal product at all, and 201 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: I respect that decision. At my house, it is more 202 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: we try to get all of our meat from like 203 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: sources that are working as humanly as possible, and also 204 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: to eat less meat, like the majority of my meals 205 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 1: don't actually include any meat. So meat is mostly a 206 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: dinner food at my house for me and not the 207 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: rest of the meals food. Yeah. I mean, I will 208 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: say this too. As meatless options have become more varied 209 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: and more delectable, like, it's so much easier to cut 210 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: back on. Yeah. I remember a time when one of 211 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: my dearest friends was traveling with me to theme parks 212 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: I love very much and was vegetarian, and at one 213 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: point she looked at me and said, I cannot eat 214 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: another roasted vegetable flat bread. Yeah. And now that is 215 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: not really a problem because everywhere has something yummy and 216 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: delicious that is a true, actual, like right right entree 217 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: option that is not just a I don't know what 218 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: can we throw together that does not include these thyas. 219 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: I think I've told this story on the show before, 220 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: but I'm going to tell it again. I know there 221 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: are cuisines all over the world that are rich in 222 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: plant based options, like I'm aware of this, but growing 223 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: up in northwest North Carolina in the nineteen eighties and nineties, 224 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: there were not a lot of options, and so when 225 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: I stopped eating meat in high school, there were like 226 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: there were Chinese restaurants that we could go to that 227 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: had like a vegetable it was just like vegetables and 228 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: a sauce with rice that was an option. But there 229 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: was this one restaurant called Rainbow News and Cafe, which 230 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: was a restaurant slash bookstore, and they had, as I recall, 231 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: two vegetarian options on the menu, and that was a big, 232 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: big deal, Like it was the only like specifically vegetarian 233 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: thing on any restaurant in the area that I knew of. 234 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: One of the things was a vegetarian chili, which would 235 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: have been more accurately described as a vegetable stew. It 236 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: bore no resemblance to chili of any sort. And then 237 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: the other thing was a barbecue tofu sandwich, which was 238 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: like a bun with the fixens that you would expect 239 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: on a burger, with just a slab of tofu that 240 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: had been sort of slathered in barbecue sauce. You would 241 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: bide into it, and like the barbecue sauce, plus the 242 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: tofu slab was really slippery, so the tofu would just 243 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: shoot out the other end. I loved that bookstore restaurant 244 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: so much, I really really did. In hindsight, that was 245 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: a terrible sandwich but it gave you an option, which 246 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: is probably why it felt amazing. Yes, there was also 247 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: my standard of caesar salad and french fries from McDonald's, 248 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: not understanding that caesar salad dressing had anchovies in it, 249 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: and not knowing that at that time McDonald's was using 250 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: beef flavoring beef french fries. I don't know if that's 251 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: still the case, because I remember when like that became news, 252 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: there was beef beef flavor in the McDonald's French fries 253 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: and vegetarians were horrified. So anyway, I'm so glad there 254 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: are so many more options now, and so many more 255 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: options at the regular grocery store. I know there's a 256 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: lot to think about in terms of like foods like quinoa, 257 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: and how the communities that have raised quinoa are being 258 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways disadvantaged by like the popularity 259 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: of foods like quinoa among Americans. Like that's the whole 260 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: other thing. But it's really hard the ethics of food 261 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: and what you consume and what you're comfortable with one. 262 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's very individual in terms of 263 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: where anybody's gonna sit. But also it there are so 264 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: many layers right where it's like, okay, but like this 265 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: solution solves this problem, but oh wait, it has its 266 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: own mess of yuckiness and problem that we haven't thought 267 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 1: about yet. But if we fix that, then another thing. 268 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: It's like whack a mole of trying to do the 269 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: right thing and it's hard. Yeah, there's also just the converse, 270 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: the totally converse part of like, like, indigenous peoples that 271 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: live in the very far North have historically had a 272 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: very like meat based diet, and I've seen a lot 273 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: of people talking about being like judged and vilified for 274 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: continuing to eat foods that are part of their traditional 275 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: food ways. And it's like, there's but I can't just 276 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: like grow a bunch of wheat here the ground is frozen. 277 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: Like there's there's a lot to think about, and a 278 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: lot of times I think people try to offer very 279 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: easy solutions, and those very easy solutions have a lot 280 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: of complexities that are not but are not really evident 281 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: until you really start thinking about stuff. I didn't know 282 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: until researching this that broiler chick like commercially farmed broiler chickens, 283 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: these hybrids that have been developed today, they are so 284 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: big and they grow so fast, and they convert their 285 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: feed into meat so efficiently that they just they can't 286 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: live outside of this environment, and they probably wouldn't live 287 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: long beyond their slaughter date because of the way their 288 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: bodies develop. I didn't know any of that at all, 289 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: and that was more surprising to me than the fact 290 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: that a grocery store and the USDA teamed up to 291 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: have a contest, which was the thing that sparked my 292 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: attention in the first place. Whatever's coming up for you 293 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: this weekend, I hope it's great. Hope it's great. Whatever 294 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna eat this weekend, I hope that's great. 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