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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of iHeart Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: Annie Reese and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Laurn Volga Bam, and today we have a classic episode

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Speaker 2: for you about Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I will ask the question even though I

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Speaker 1: feel it it's obvious.

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Speaker 3: Okay, any particular reason this was on your mind? Lauren?

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Speaker 2: It is the week of Thanksgiving as we record this,

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Speaker 2: and so the episode originally aired in November of twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: so it kind of like came up in the rotation

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Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, oh, we haven't classic to

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Speaker 2: that yet. Okay, yeah, let's let's do that.

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Speaker 3: I like that we haven't classiced it yet.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, No, I love I love verbing and nown.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and we have done.

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Speaker 1: We've done several topics around American Thanksgiving. I am preparing

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Speaker 1: to do all of my foods as we speak.

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Speaker 3: I've got a lot of stuff left to do. Yeah yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: Projects, yeah, there will be delicious food at the end.

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Speaker 1: Although I have since we've done this, I have further

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Speaker 1: cut some foods out.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, yes, Well, it's just.

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Speaker 1: Like we don't have as big of the gathering as

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Speaker 1: we used to, especially after the pandemic, and there was

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Speaker 1: just so much we were making that. I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is way too much, this is too much. I

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Speaker 1: think we need to since I'm part of the I'm

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Speaker 1: like one of the.

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Speaker 4: Yah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like then this is what's going. I'm sorry to say.

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Speaker 1: But also I have to say I've seen a rise

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Speaker 1: in Thanksgiving products that are like in a.

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Speaker 2: Can y yeah all of thanks oh yeah, oh sure, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's been interesting to see and they sell out quickly,

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Speaker 1: as most of the products that we talk about like

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Speaker 1: that do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those kind of stunt products, sure, you know, like

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Speaker 2: it's like it's like a next day leftover Thanksgiving turkey

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Speaker 2: sandwich as a soup and you're like what and they're like,

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Speaker 2: you're welcome, there's only one hundred cans of it, hurry

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we certainly, Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, we can certainly do another like marketing stunt

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Speaker 2: short about wacky holiday shenanigans like that. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're my My Thanksgiving is shifted a little bit as well.

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Speaker 2: Since we did this episode, we kind of dropped off

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Speaker 2: doing traditional Thanksgiving in my little like friends Giving situation,

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Speaker 2: and so my buddy and his mother we still go

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Speaker 2: up to their place every year and hang out, but

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Speaker 2: they always pick I don't know, some interesting menu that

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Speaker 2: they want to explore more of the cuisine of. And

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Speaker 2: so I think this year it's like a Persian theme.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm working. I haven't like quite worked out the dessert

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Speaker 2: that I'm bringing, but I just ordered like, like no

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Speaker 2: baked cheesecake, a bunch of pomegranate juice and pistachio seeds,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna I've got some gelatin at home. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, We're gonna see what happens.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that so much. That sounds

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Speaker 1: so fun because I lamented I think in this episode.

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Speaker 1: With other episodes, it kind of annoys me that Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: and Christmas are like right next to each other. It's

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Speaker 1: just like the same meal. Yeah I wish it was.

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Speaker 1: I love the meal, but I wish they weren't so

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Speaker 1: close to it. Yeah, like two and two months come on, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's come on. So I like the idea of exploring

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Speaker 1: other things. I am excited because this year I already

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Speaker 1: know what I'm going to do with the leftover turkey.

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Speaker 1: I found this super recipe okay has yoke in it.

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Speaker 1: I'm very very excited. I'm excited, but I also was

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Speaker 1: thinking about which I think I talked. I talked about

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Speaker 1: first time I was on the show as a host.

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Speaker 1: I was doing my Thanksgiving and so many of you

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Speaker 1: I didn't know about the fan interaction bid. I didn't

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Speaker 1: when some of you wrote it and were like, Annie,

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Speaker 1: Because I had spoken about my Thanksgiving and it was

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Speaker 3: I really appreciated it. So if any of you are

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Speaker 3: still listening, I hope that you are. I remember that.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Yeah, We're always thankful

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Speaker 1: We are, we are, But I guess we should let

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Speaker 1: pass Andy and Lauren take it away. Sure, Hello, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Savor. I'm Annie Reas and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum.

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Speaker 1: And today we're talking about Thanksgiving here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: It's happening like tomorrow if you're listening to this podcast

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Speaker 1: the day that it comes out. Yeah, but it's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun stuff and a lot of sad stuff,

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Speaker 1: but it's interesting nonetheless, Yes, stuff going on. So I

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Speaker 1: would say you could listen to it at any time

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Speaker 1: and enjoy it at any time. Absolutely, but it is

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Speaker 1: appropriate for the season as it comes out right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I have a lot, a lot of thoughts on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: It's a holiday that I love, but I do find

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Speaker 1: it has the most family drama of the holidays in

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Speaker 1: That might have been the all time winner. I usually

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Speaker 1: do the cooking, which is very stressful, but I do

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. Last year, for instance, my little brother announced

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Speaker 1: he had become a vegetarian the day before Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure, Lauren. I still ponder this to this day.

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Speaker 1: But that's why our recent episode on Satan was appropriate,

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Speaker 3: Eat mm huh huh.

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Speaker 1: And for Thanksgiving we cook a turkey and a picking turkey.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of this, and I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a smaller turkey that you cooked the night

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Speaker 1: before and you just pick at it.

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Speaker 3: The picking turkey. I don't know if that's a thing.

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Speaker 1: My uncle says he invented it, but he's a known exaggerator,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not sure. The listeners write in about that

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Speaker 1: we have ham, corn bread dressing, sweet p tata castrole

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Speaker 1: This is the dish that is gone. And it has

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Speaker 1: been a source of many scandals in my family, Hiding

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Speaker 1: of tupperwares, finding of tupperwaars, leaving of empty tupperwares in

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Speaker 1: Passive aggressive notes, Oh man, okay, deal. They keep campaigning

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Speaker 1: for me to make two and it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Homemade cranberry sauce, giblet gravy, rice, green beans, chocolate pie,

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of food.

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Speaker 2: Wow yeah, and all of that, Bye, Like you are

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Speaker 2: the one who cooks all of this. Does anyone help you?

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Speaker 1: My mom she taught me so that I could continue

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Speaker 1: but I generally do most of the Wow.

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Speaker 2: Huh. It's always been or in my adult life anyways,

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving is a weird one for me because my dad

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Speaker 2: So for him, Thanksgiving started at like one or two

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Speaker 2: So a, he hated those foods. Those foods were never

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Speaker 3: Like that, right, Yeah, I think forty turkeys might do

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Speaker 2: You, absolutely, But so yeah, it was never a family

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Speaker 2: It was very bitter and had like orange peel in it.

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Speaker 2: That's the only thing, literally, the only thing.

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Speaker 2: because it wasn't that bit of a deal for me. Sure,

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Speaker 2: but I don't think I was exposed to a lot

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Speaker 2: homemade cranberry sauce and pumpkin pie. Oh critical, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I start drinking at like nine am on Thanksgiving because

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Speaker 3: It's a holiday. Yeah, I kind of slowly day drink.

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Speaker 1: But one Thanksgiving a pipe under our sink broke and

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Speaker 1: Meant that we didn't eat until really late. Usually we

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Speaker 1: And I fixed up this huge plate, like really ambitious

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Speaker 3: And there's a funny picture.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting furious thinking about it. And when I woke up,

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Speaker 3: Wow. So I didn't get to have anything.

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Speaker 3: I still think about it to this day. Clearly I would.

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Speaker 2: I've never had a disaster like quite like that, but

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Speaker 2: But other than that, like I don't know, like I've

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Speaker 1: I could regale you with so many stories of Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: misapps fiascos, but we should really get to our question.

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Speaker 3: I suppose Thanksgiving. What is it?

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Speaker 2: Well, Thanksgiving is a holiday celebrated by many people in

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Speaker 2: fourth Thursday of November. In Canada, it's the second Monday

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Speaker 1: According to the American Farm Bureau Federation, the average cost

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Speaker 1: For me, these days, Thanksgiving is a pretty small celebration.

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Speaker 1: If we're talking the calorie count, on average, the whole

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Speaker 1: Nine percent of Americans eat Thanksgiving out at a restaurant.

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Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, American soldiers stationed overseas eight thirty seven

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Speaker 1: Numbers from PETA say that each year forty five million

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Speaker 1: When it comes to that dreaded scenario. The turkey is ready,

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Speaker 1: For many of US Americans, we probably know the story

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Speaker 1: pilgrims were out fouling for turkeys, geese, and duck, and

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00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: they quote in one day killed as much as served

443
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: the company almost a week, so a lot. Soon after,

444
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: about ninety members of the Wampanoag tribe showed up at

445
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: the settlement and the two groups interacted without incident. They

446
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: contributed venison to the feast, and the feast probably featured eels, fish, shellfish, vegetables,

447
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: stewed cornmeal, cranberry's pumpkin, and of course per drunk. Folks

448
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: ran races and fired guns. In celebration, people sat on

449
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: the ground or on barrels, their plates balanced precariously on

450
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: their laps. This feast resulted in a treaty between the

451
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: two groups, but it only lasted until King Philip's War

452
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 1: from sixteen seventy five to sixteen seventy six. Relations between

453
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: the two groups had been strained for a while as

454
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: more and more colonist poured into the colony and disease.

455
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 1: The colonists killed about ninety percent of the indigenous peoples

456
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: from sixteen sixteen to sixteen nineteen. Yeah, and to be clear,

457
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: King Philip was the leader of the Wampanoag tribe.

458
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Speaker 3: It's the name that the English gave him.

459
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 1: He was the son of the man who celebrated this

460
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: first Thanksgiving with the Pilgrims. King Philip's War broke out

461
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: after some of King Philip's men, his Wampanoag name was Metacomet, murdered,

462
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: Christian Convert and the Punkapog interpreter John Sassimon. Hundreds of

463
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: colonists and thousands of Native Americans died. Some estimates put

464
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 1: the death toll at thirty percent of the English population

465
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 1: and fifty percent of the Native American population. The town

466
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: of Springfield and Massachusetts was burned down, the food stores

467
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 1: of the Narraganessens tribe was destroyed. Metacomet went to New

468
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: York for reinforcements, but was instead attacked by the Mohawk tribe,

469
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: and he was killed soon after returning home. Some accounts

470
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: say he was beheaded and dismembered. His allies were sold

471
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: into slavery, and his head was put on a spike,

472
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: where it remained for a quarter of a century. And

473
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: this was the again the son of the tribe leader

474
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: who celebrated that first Thanksgiving. Right right, Okay. Other historians

475
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: think that the first Thanksgiving took place in sixteen thirty seven,

476
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: after Massachusetts Governor John Winthrop called for a day of

477
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to celebrate the slaughter of seven hundred peaquats.

478
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's not nice.

479
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: Early settlers in Virginia celebrated an annual Thanksgiving as far

480
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: back as sixteen nineteen, and if you go back even

481
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: further to fifteen sixty five, Florida, members of the Salloy

482
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: tribe had meal of Thanksgiving with Spanish settlers that included

483
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: things like salted pork and garbonzo beans.

484
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

485
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: Also, when it comes to Squanto, who's someone a lot

486
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: of US Americans are probably familiar with when it comes

487
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: to this whole Thanksgiving tale. As far as we know,

488
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: he did in fact help out newly arriving settlers in

489
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: the early sixteen hundreds as a translator and a teacher,

490
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: showing them more to catch fish and how to grow corn. However,

491
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: he was captured by the English in sixteen fourteen and

492
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: sold into slavery.

493
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: Over the next couple of years.

494
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 1: He learned English and he did make it back to

495
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: New England and sixteen nineteen, but by then the Patuxit tribe,

496
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: which was his tribe, had been wiped out by smallpox.

497
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving, Yeah, right before you go celebrate with your family.

498
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, how you can get drunk on wine and regale

499
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: them with these fun facts.

500
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the European settlers did really terrible things.

501
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 3: They did, and we're not through.

502
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: When the Constitution was enacted, the Continental Congress called for

503
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: a national Thanksgiving. Then Congress left Thanksgiving up to be

504
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: decided by the states in seventeen ninety eight, some of

505
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: which really didn't like the federal government getting involved in

506
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: any religious observations, which, again, Thanksgiving was for a long

507
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: time a religious thing, right. The South didn't really get

508
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: into it like the North did, and it was the

509
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: source of a lot of controversy, more divisive than unifying.

510
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: And this brings us to the mid eighteen hundreds, when

511
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 1: the North dominated the federal government and the country was

512
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: more divided than ever during the Civil War, and it

513
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: brings us to Sarah Josipha Hale. She was the editor

514
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: of the magazine Godie's Lady's Book and also the author

515
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: of Mary Had a Little Lamb Just for another fun

516
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: tidbit about her, and she thought that a national day

517
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 1: of Thanksgiving was just what America needed to unify.

518
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: Okay, sure.

519
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: She had found the writings of Edward Winslow, one of

520
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: the two attendees at this supposed first thank Giving who

521
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: wrote about it, whose records still survive, and she wanted

522
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 1: to revive this. Of note, the Boston clergyman who rediscovered

523
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: and published these writings labeled them the first Thanksgiving, that

524
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: they were describing the first Thanksgiving.

525
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: But he did it kind of arbitrarily.

526
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, she started publishing articles and recipes about it. A

527
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: description of Turkey from the other surviving written record of

528
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: the event convinced her that Turkey needed to be involved

529
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: in this meal, and beginning in eighteen forty six, she

530
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: started a letter campaign.

531
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Five American presidents.

532
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: Five received a letter from Hale, President Taylor, President Fillmore,

533
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: President Pierce, President Buchanan, and then President Lincoln, and.

534
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: More than one letter a piece, right, Like this was

535
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: like at least once a year she would send these letters.

536
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, she was very, very determined, and it paid off.

537
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: Her efforts were successful when Abraham Lincoln declared that Thursday,

538
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty three, which was during the Civil War, as

539
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: a national Thanksgiving Day. He advised Americans to quote commend

540
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: to his tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners,

541
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife, and to heal

542
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: the wounds of the nation. Hale also really helped sell

543
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: this idea that the first Thanksgiving was a beautiful love

544
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: fest between the Native Americans and the Pilgrims, that version

545
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: we hear in elementary school.

546
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

547
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: She was also the one who kind of cemented our

548
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: concept of the visual concept of the Pilgrims that we

549
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: learn in elementary school, that whole black and white outfit

550
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: and the whole thing. Yeah, in reality, they would have

551
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: been wearing like, I mean, they were real poor and

552
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: they've kind of been run out of England, Like they

553
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: were wearing whatever they could afford, which was probably a

554
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: wild hodgepodge of different colors and cheap fabrics.

555
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've always wondered about that, But yeah, Sarah Josefa.

556
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: Hale real Victoria, you know about stuff.

557
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was.

558
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: Indeed, her idea of a Thanksgiving meal did include turkey

559
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: and stuffing, but also steak, pork, mutton, geese, ducks, chicken pie,

560
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: roasted vegetables, lots of gravy, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce, and

561
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: pumpkin pie.

562
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: You know, I have to go on a brief a side.

563
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: I love pumpkin and I love pumpkin pie, but my

564
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: family is really weird about it, and they won't eat it.

565
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: They've never had it, they won't used to try it.

566
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: Have they had sweet potato pie? No, okay, but they've

567
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: had sweet potato casserole. And I told you that's something

568
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: that goes first. And it's become a source of contention

569
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: because in my view, if I'm cooking the meal, then they're.

570
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: Stuck with what you give it.

571
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: I want to eat some pumpkin pie, right, but they

572
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: won't eat it. I did make one year.

573
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: I made a version I thought they might like, which

574
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: is sort of a pumpkin cheesecake concoction, and they didn't

575
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: eat it.

576
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: I'm so hellis of people eating pumpkins. Oh on Thanksgiving,

577
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: you can.

578
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: Make one for yourself. I mean that, I know that

579
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: that's like extra work.

580
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm afraid I'll eat the whole thing. I

581
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: probably would, But about pumpkin pie. By eighteen sixty nine,

582
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: pumpkin pie was called the inevitable Thanksgiving dish, So that's been.

583
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: Around for a while.

584
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and if you're wondering why the last Thursday

585
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: of the month for this holiday. Hale thought that this

586
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: would give women, who were pretty much doing all of

587
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: the cooking at the time, time to prepare this huge

588
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: feast on top of the traditional weekly big Sunday meal.

589
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, so place it on a Thursday, and that way, ladies,

590
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: you have time to clean up your dishes and do

591
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: it again on Sunday.

592
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: Yep, that's why it's on a Thursday. Huh.

593
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: In eighteen seventy six, we have the first Thanksgiving Day

594
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: football game with Yale v.

595
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: Princeton.

596
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: Each president after Lincoln has declared the national Day of

597
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving along with what date it would fall on, and

598
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: typically it was the last Thursday of the month. During

599
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: President Franklin Roosevelt's time in office, so he specified that

600
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving should be celebrated on the fourth Thursday, never on

601
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: the rare fifth Thursday of November, as opposed to President

602
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: Lincoln's last Thursday of the month, which could be the

603
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: fifth one. FDR did try to move Thanksgiving to the

604
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: third Thursday of the month in order to extend the

605
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: holiday shopping season.

606
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's what he was angling for.

607
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, which which starts after Thanksgiving and boosts the economy

608
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty one, but some states were not on

609
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: board and did not comply, and he and Congress moved

610
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: it to the fourth Thursday.

611
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: In nineteen forty two. So one year later they're like, okay.

612
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, never mind, never mind.

613
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: People are not happy with this.

614
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not the last Thursday, but certainly not the third. Okay,

615
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: four fourth or compromise.

616
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: The first Macy's Day Parade took place in nineteen twenty four.

617
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: And the Turkey timer popped up in the nineteen fifties

618
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: as the result of a serious brainstorm done by the

619
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: California Turkey Producer's Advisory Board.

620
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: A serious brainstorm.

621
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: Serious. Oh yeah, Well, they were worried that turkey was

622
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: being given a bad name due to people's poor cooking

623
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: of turkey on Thanksgiving, and so they it was like

624
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: a three day they locked themselves in a room and

625
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: we're all like, we need to solve this problem. How

626
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: can we let people know when their turkey is done?

627
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: And finally, the picture that I have in my head

628
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: is of this one guy like in an office chair,

629
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 2: spinning around, staring at the ceiling hopelessly and his eyes

630
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: fell upon a fire sprinkler, Oh yeah, in the ceiling,

631
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: and he was like, there's a little bit inside a

632
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: fire sprinkler that melts when it hits a certain temperature,

633
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: and that's how the water knows to release. That's how

634
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: the water is triggered to release. And he was like,

635
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: I can do that in a turkey timer and so yeah,

636
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 2: so it works by a little thing in their melts

637
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: when the turkey is at the right temperature. Hypothetically.

638
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, my most is not trusted.

639
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: Use a probe thermometer, y'all.

640
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: Dope. She is very suspicious.

641
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: But I do love the story.

642
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: I do.

643
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: That's a great story. As we touched on in our

644
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: Turkey episode, the first turkey was officially pardoned by President

645
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: George H. W. Bush in nineteen eighty nine. And if

646
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: you want kind of a funny, I'll say funny.

647
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's funny. Kristin. Kristen is hilarious.

648
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: Ristin Conger of Unlady. You like our past stuff Mom

649
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: Never Told You? Co host, I was a video producer

650
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: over at stuff I Never Told You, And we made

651
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: a video, a hearstory video all about this. If you

652
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: want to check it out. It's on YouTube. It definitely

653
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: focuses more on Sarah Josifa Hale and her eccentricities. Yes,

654
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: that's a good word. Yeah, yeah, I love it.

655
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: I love it. It's really it's really funny.

656
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we should say on Thanksgiving, some indigenous people's

657
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: fast and observe a national day of morning. So I

658
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: think it's good to to keep all of this history

659
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Speaker 1: in mind. It does feel as though we've become very

660
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Speaker 1: divorced from what it once.

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Speaker 2: Was, from from what like the reality of the situation

662
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Speaker 2: could have possibly been. And and yeah, and that that

663
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Speaker 2: syrupy story is it'll fine for kindergarteners. I'm not saying

664
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Speaker 2: that you should be like, well, right, timmy, don't scarred

665
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Speaker 2: me for life, but but yeah, no, it's it's it's

666
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Speaker 2: really important to keep in mind. And as it is

667
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Speaker 2: with all of the with all of the terrible things

668
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Speaker 2: we tell you about history on this show.

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Speaker 3: Yes you're welcome.

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Speaker 1: But as we've mentioned a little bit in this episode,

671
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Speaker 1: the United States is not the only country that celebrates Thanksgiving.

672
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Speaker 2: And turkey is not the only thing that's consumed. That's right,

673
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Speaker 2: And we'll get to both of those things after we

674
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Speaker 2: get back from a quick break for a word. We're sponsor.

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Speaker 3: And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 2: So. A Gallup poll in this our year of twenty

677
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Speaker 2: eighteen found that about eight percent of Americans don't eat meat,

678
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Speaker 2: about five percent being vegetarian and three percent vegan. And

679
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Speaker 2: that is a smallish percentage, but it equals out to

680
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Speaker 2: over twenty six million people. So what are those folks

681
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Speaker 2: to do on a holiday built around turkey?

682
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: Oh? What are they to do?

683
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Speaker 2: The kind of traditional answer at this point is tofurky

684
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Speaker 2: m hm. In nineteen ninety five, the first soki meal

685
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: was sold locally an organ It was a collaboration between

686
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Speaker 2: a tempa maker and a vegetarian catering company. The tempa

687
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Speaker 2: maker was one Seth Tibbett, who had founded the brand

688
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Speaker 2: Turtle Island Foods. And he started with an incubator, an incubator,

689
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Speaker 2: because that's how you make tempa. We did a whole

690
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: episode about it. It involves fungus. It's pretty rad, you know,

691
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: see that episode for more. But yeah, he made his

692
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Speaker 2: first incubator out of a discarded refrigerator that was heated

693
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Speaker 2: with strands of Christmas lights.

694
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Speaker 3: My goodness.

695
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Speaker 2: By this point he had moved on from that. But yeah,

696
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Speaker 2: the catering company Higher Taste had been making these two

697
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Speaker 2: order stuffed tofu roasts that were glazed with orange juice

698
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: and soy sauce. They were pretty popular, and Tibbitt to

699
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Speaker 2: go with this, mixed some wild rice and cranberry into

700
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Speaker 2: his tempa, stamped it into little drummat forms, and they

701
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Speaker 2: packaged the two together. Is this nice little frozen entree.

702
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Speaker 2: Tibbitt insisted on the name Tofurky over these strong objections

703
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Speaker 2: of everyone else involved. They were like, that's ridiculous. Can

704
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: we have a little bit of korum here? And he

705
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: was like, no, no, Tofurkey. In nineteen ninety seven, they

706
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: bought a recipe for wheat gluten and started mixing their

707
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 2: tofu with that, which which made for a much better

708
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Speaker 2: texture after freezing and reheating, because tofu onto itself goes

709
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: a little bit like spongy when it's been frozen and reheated. Yeah,

710
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Speaker 2: and meanwhile, folks were so entertained by the name that

711
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 2: the product was getting a lot of press and orders

712
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: started pouring in from all over the country. It was

713
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: a wild success. In twenty ten, a food co op

714
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Speaker 2: in Minneapolis publicly pardoned a tofurky of course, of course,

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know. I don't know if y'all

716
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Speaker 2: listeners have ever had one. They're kind of rubbery, they don't,

717
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Speaker 2: you know, they don't really brown. Well, they roll around

718
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Speaker 2: in roasting pans maddeningly. But a writer for The New

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Speaker 2: Yorker Vegetarian by the name of Jonathan Kaufman said that

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Speaker 2: it's quote nonetheless a bit turkey like, and it's trusty, stodginess.

721
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Speaker 2: It's the thing that's on the holiday table because it's

722
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Speaker 2: supposed to be there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's kind of wonderful. He was right about the name.

724
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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I just have vastly different tastes than

726
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Speaker 1: almost everyone in my family. But I love turkey and

727
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Speaker 1: I never get to eat it. But they all act

728
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Speaker 1: like they'd be fine if it wasn't and I've been

729
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Speaker 1: determined to keep it, keep the tradition going. But that's

730
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Speaker 1: why we cook ham as well, because they would rather

731
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Speaker 1: have ham. But yeah, they definitely think it's just the

732
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Speaker 1: thing that's supposed to be there.

733
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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that the whole ham thing is still mystifying to

735
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Speaker 2: me because beside my family that I grew up having

736
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Speaker 2: holidays with I was the Jewish side of my family,

737
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Speaker 2: and so we did not eat ham. Well, I mean,

738
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Speaker 2: my dad and my grandma and I all ate ham,

739
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Speaker 2: but at family holidays where we had some slightly more

740
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Speaker 2: pious observers, right right, we certainly wouldn't serve a ham.

741
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Speaker 2: And so the very idea, I'm like, I've gotten used

742
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Speaker 2: to the idea that people eat it for Christmas, but

743
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Speaker 2: I'm still mystified by its showing up on Thanksgiving tables.

744
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's just because some people don't really

745
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Speaker 1: dog turkey.

746
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Speaker 2: Oh I love a turkey.

747
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Speaker 4: I do too.

748
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Speaker 1: And for my brother that is a vegetarian, now, there's

749
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Speaker 1: just so much food anyway that he didn't.

750
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Speaker 3: Ask for a tofurkey. Oh yeah, there's a lot.

751
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Speaker 2: I mean there's some really interesting looking recipes for making

752
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: your own tofu roast or other meat alternative roast on online.

753
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Speaker 2: So you know, if you're not really into cooking and

754
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Speaker 2: you like to for I mean it, also, if you

755
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Speaker 2: like tofurky, go for it. Oh totally, don't let our

756
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: opinions sway. You like what you like, like would you like?

757
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: But if you're less than happy with it, there are

758
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: so many recipes out there for cool stuff.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah.

760
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Speaker 2: But now tofurkey side aside, it's time for.

761
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Speaker 3: A word about Canada.

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Speaker 1: Canada too has a Thanksgiving with a lot of the

763
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Speaker 1: same themes and a lot of the same foods. One

764
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Speaker 1: thing we should mention the indigenous peoples of Canada were

765
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Speaker 1: also doing something similar to a Thanksgiving feast long before

766
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Speaker 1: any Europeans showed up.

767
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: The first known day of a European based thanks Saving

769
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Speaker 1: in Canada took place in fifteen seventy eight, after Martin

770
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Speaker 1: Frobischer's expedition came to a safe conclusion. Frobisher's fleet in

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Speaker 1: the present day Nunavat tribe were in attendance or not.

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Speaker 1: Another similarity multiple origin stories here. Another version goes that

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Speaker 1: in sixteen oh six, a meat heavy celebration in Port

774
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Speaker 1: Royal on November fourteenth, sixteen oh six, hosted by Samuel D. Champlin,

775
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Speaker 1: might have been the first European based Thanksgiving.

776
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Speaker 3: The meal, a.

777
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Speaker 1: Part of the Order of Good Cheer, brought together the

778
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Speaker 1: indigenous peoples of the region and the Europeans. The Order

779
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: of Good Cheer, by the way, was a dinner series

780
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: with the goal of preventing malnutrition and scurvy among colonists.

781
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: Oh an order of good cheer Dinner series.

782
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Speaker 3: I like that.

783
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also note here that I either either of these stories.

784
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: Canadians beat us to the Thanksgiving punch by like a

785
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: good couple decades, which is interesting. Yeah go Canada, Yeah, Yeah,

786
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Speaker 2: go Canada.

787
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Another story goes settlers in Canada might not have survived

788
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Speaker 1: at all without the help of Mickmack, who taught them

789
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: how to ice fish and introduce them to a bear

790
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: with a lot of vitamin C in it. As a

791
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: thank you, the colonists invited the Micmac to their November

792
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: fourteenth celebration with food, muskets, and perhaps the first play

793
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: ever performed in North America.

794
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: They had to do Neptune.

795
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Speaker 1: Basically, it was the story of the indigenous people swearing

796
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: fealty to the newly arrived explorers after these newcomers had

797
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: received congrats from the god Neptune. These explorers also bought

798
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: smallpox with them and conflict and war. An organization called

799
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: Canada first started pushing for a white Protestant Canada in

800
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Speaker 1: the eighteen sixties, and Thanksgiving was a part of that push.

801
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: And yeah, remember Thanksgiving used to be much more religious.

802
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: The national Thanksgiving Day was declared to be on November

803
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: sixth by Parliament in eighteen seventy nine, and it's moved

804
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: a few times, but in nineteen fifty seven it was

805
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: decreed to fall on the second Monday in October.

806
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: And it is an optional holiday in Atlantic Canada and

807
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: like not really a big deal at all in Quebec,

808
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: where it is known, by the way, not as Thanksgiving

809
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 2: but as the help me with the sanny axion DeRoss.

810
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: Oh.

811
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Speaker 3: There you go.

812
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: A few other cultural differences because there's no holiday to

813
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: buffer Halloween and Christmas. Because this happens in early October,

814
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 2: some Canadians start putting up Christmas decorations the day after Halloween.

815
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: My stomach churns at that.

816
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 2: Also, another Thanksgiving tradition in the United States is Black Friday,

817
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: the shopping day after Thanksgiving. And although it started in

818
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: the United States, of course, because you know, Canadians don't

819
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: have the next day off, it's being picked up in

820
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: Canada now too.

821
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 3: Black Friday.

822
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Speaker 1: Black Friday as in after the US Thanksgiving, I think.

823
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, huh yeah. In order to prevent Canadians who

824
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: live near the border like just going over to the

825
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: US for sales. They're like to keep the money in Canada. Okay,

826
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Speaker 2: we'll have sales too.

827
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Speaker 3: Okay, sure.

828
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Speaker 1: My mom and I I have a history of Black

829
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: Friday shopping and it has been fascinating to see it,

830
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: the rise and fall of it, because now it's kind

831
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: of wonderful in my opinion, because there's nobody really there.

832
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh man, people.

833
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: Come in around like one or two, which is when

834
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Speaker 1: the doorbusters are over. So I don't understand why, but

835
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Speaker 1: most people are doing their shopping online.

836
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Speaker 3: I imagine.

837
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it got to be such a terrible thing,

838
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: oh for so long. But yeah, Oh. I had a

839
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: friend one time, one family that I was spending a

840
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: lot of Thanksgivings with, the husband would stay up all night, yeah,

841
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: to get there so early and do the thing. And

842
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 2: I was just like, Yeah, that is a dedication and

843
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: a tolerance for other human people that I do not possess.

844
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: I worked on Black Friday for a while, so I've

845
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: seen some things. I've seen some things.

846
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: Man, You've got like a lot of Thanksgiving scars.

847
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: But I love it. And this brings us to the

848
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Speaker 3: end of this episode.

849
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Speaker 1: For a little peek behind the curtain because we're not

850
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: going to do listener mail. We're actually recording this on Halloween. Yeah,

851
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: because I'm about to I'm going on at vacation for

852
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: a little bit and then we're going to be in

853
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: New Orleans and in New York. It feels like time

854
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: traveling in a strange way. It does, it does.

855
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 2: I Also, I don't think we've ever been this far

856
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: ahead in recording the show. It feels real strange.

857
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: And I don't like it. I know, like, should I

858
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 3: be getting ready for Thanksgiving? It's Halloween.

859
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 1: Also, in case anyone's worried, I found the butterfinger today,

860
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: so I got off bart of my candies.

861
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Speaker 3: We won't be destroyed.

862
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Speaker 2: Congratulations, Thank you. I'm glad.

863
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Speaker 1: But we really hope that you enjoy your Thanksgiving, if

864
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 1: you celebrate it, whatever you happen to be celebrating.

865
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we hope that whether or not you're celebrating, that

866
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Speaker 2: you have lots of things to be thankful for, and

867
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Speaker 2: that you're eating something great.

868
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, We're all about that.

869
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Speaker 2: Or if you are choosing to take a day of fast,

870
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Speaker 2: that tomorrow you will eat something great.

871
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Speaker 4: Yes.

872
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Speaker 1: And that brings us to the end of this classic episode.

873
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Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoyed it as much as we

874
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: enjoyed bringing it back. We hope that you are all

875
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: doing well whatever.

876
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: It is you're doing, absolutely because we do appreciate you

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and we would love to hear from you.

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Speaker 3: We would, and you can contact us in a couple

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Speaker 3: of ways.

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Speaker 1: You can email us at Hello, atsavorpod dot com.

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Speaker 2: We're also on social media. We are at this very

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Speaker 2: current moment on Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram at saver pod,

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Speaker 2: and we do hope to hear from you. Savor is

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Speaker 2: production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from my Heart Radio,

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Speaker 2: you can visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 2: you listen to your favorite shows. Thanks as always to

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Speaker 2: our superproducers Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard. Thanks to you

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Speaker 2: for listening, and we hope that lots more good things

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Speaker 2: are coming your way.