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Speaker 2: To this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Oh, like a red stapler in

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Speaker 1: the basement, Morning Combat is still here. How you doing, everybody.

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Speaker 1: It's the twenty ninth of January twenty twenty four and

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Speaker 1: it's time for episode whatever. The number is, five thirty

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Speaker 1: nine of Morning Combat. I join you from the capital

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Speaker 1: of the status need us. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I am joined. I'm Washington, DC, joined by my friend

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Speaker 1: over there. He goes by many nicknames, none of them accurate,

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Speaker 1: but he goes with them just the same. It's Brian Campbell. Hello,

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: How are you, Oh, Luke Thomas. I'm doing great. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me on this show in which my name

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Speaker 2: is also atop the marquee. But I'll say this, Luke,

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Speaker 2: kind of feels like a historic episode, if you will,

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Speaker 2: new one. Just maybe that's right. Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Let's remind folks very quickly, so we are gonna have

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Speaker 1: a regular show today. We're gonna talk about some UFC

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Speaker 1: three hundred news. We'll get to some of that John

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Speaker 1: But of course BC, as you alluded to, this show

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Speaker 1: we're gonna park for just a little bit, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat will still be

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Speaker 2: put out interviews, previews, and reviews ahead of the big

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Speaker 2: events as Luke mentioned, but for now about a month

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Speaker 2: long pause as we continue to reorg, re up, reload,

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Speaker 2: and ready to come back with an absolute bang. Luke,

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Speaker 2: You could argue a lot of things on there, but

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Speaker 2: Canelo May fourth is going to be a big circle

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Speaker 1: Man? Ah, there was a time momentarily where even when

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Speaker 1: It would be a gigantic evamp between two Mexicans celebrated

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Speaker 2: So I don't think it would be a problem in

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Speaker 2: MAKA actually would be perfect if you believe this other

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Speaker 2: is inevitable because Canelo has all four belts, He's not

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Speaker 2: going up to seventy five to fight bev All. Right,

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Speaker 2: seems like people in the business believe that Canelo wants

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Speaker 2: that for September. You'd have more time to build it up.

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Speaker 2: Both could potentially have another interim fight, although there's an

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Speaker 2: argument built in there that hey, Canelo, if you're going

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Speaker 1: It's too late. It's too late for that.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think because of his track record that

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Speaker 2: Benavidez Canalo no worse than two? Like, It's literally as

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Speaker 2: what about Terrence Crawford? If he's not going to rematch

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Speaker 2: unless I guess Canela lost there. What could happen with

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Speaker 1: If you're Canelo, it's not the Here's what I think

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Speaker 1: the Canelo team worldview is. I don't really believe that

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Speaker 1: he'll never fight David Benavitez. I actually do think he will.

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Speaker 1: The question is I cannot get an answer to, and

431
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Speaker 1: no one can. And it's really certainly obviously my speculation

432
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Speaker 1: is no better than yours. But I do think he's

433
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Speaker 1: going to eventually fight him. But what I think that

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Speaker 1: they probably realize is that fight is inevitable. We don't

435
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Speaker 1: want to suffer a loss until we kind of have to,

436
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Speaker 1: until there's really no other options exhausted. The Mungia fight

437
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Speaker 1: is an action one. People would be accepting of it. It

438
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Speaker 1: would do well commercially, and it would be enough of

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Speaker 1: an action fight where people would be complementary probably of

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Speaker 1: the performance, and it's a very achievable win. I think,

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Speaker 1: relatively speaking for Canelo, there might be another one they

442
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Speaker 1: can squeeze in before a showdown with David Benavitez is inevitable.

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Speaker 1: I think that's really what the direction is that they're headed.

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Speaker 1: So it's not outright ducking in the sense that we're

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Speaker 1: just not gonna fucking fight this guy. It is we

446
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Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of time on our side

447
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Speaker 1: before the decline is fully enforce and we'd rather suffer

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Speaker 1: a loss when that is in play, rather than now

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Speaker 1: when there's still this sort of prestige associated with his

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Speaker 1: name as a ranked p When you.

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Speaker 2: Say that the way you said it, it makes me

452
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Speaker 2: want to peel through your words and be like, then

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Speaker 2: that means Canelo would be cashing himself out with the

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Speaker 2: Benavidez fight. I don't think Canelo thinks like that. I

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Speaker 2: don't think he thinks like, oh my windows getting small.

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Speaker 2: I think he thinks like, how do I maximize opportunity?

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Speaker 2: But I also think while not fully ducking, he does

458
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Speaker 2: seem to be purposefully pushing the benevite He.

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Speaker 1: Might, however you want to describe it, you can just

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Speaker 1: look at the way he fights. The guy manages risk.

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Speaker 1: He's not a bull in a china shop trying to

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Speaker 1: show you that risk doesn't matter to him in the

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Speaker 1: way that Benavidez is. Benavidez is in a stage in

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Speaker 1: his career where he just wants to, I mean, take

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Speaker 1: out the acts and just start swinging. That's really not

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Speaker 1: the place Canelo was in. And I don't know why.

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Speaker 1: It'd be crazy to assume that he and his team,

468
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Speaker 1: and he has very smart, capable advisors, wouldn't be thinking

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Speaker 1: about a candid way to manage decline such that it

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Speaker 1: arrives at your door at a bare minimum delay. Decline

471
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Speaker 1: either a box office attraction or anything else. The Mungia

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Speaker 1: fight gets you to that place, then you can fight

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Speaker 1: Benavidez at a later date. I don't see why you

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Speaker 1: would go around. I mean, listen, I would take a

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Speaker 1: world where Canelo's like, I want all the smoke Benavidez next. Yes,

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Speaker 1: great conversation in the garbage. I just don't find that

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Speaker 1: very likely.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so in the.

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Speaker 1: Pfort sense, Okay, but here's the Crawford thing. Listen, it

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Speaker 1: it's almost if you could find a way to where

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Speaker 1: that loss wouldn't or win wouldn't go on the record.

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Speaker 1: As just an exhibition. I think it'd be kind of

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Speaker 1: a fun thing to try. But if your canelo, your

484
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Speaker 1: brand is not necessarily your brand is not really.

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Speaker 2: Put the put the it's a real fight. What do

486
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Speaker 2: we doing exhibitions? What is this Floyd versus.

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Speaker 1: I'm not recommended. I'm not recommend I'm not recommending it.

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Speaker 1: It's not I'm not claiming. It's a thing that I

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Speaker 1: want to see. What I'm trying to get you to

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Speaker 1: understand is the value proposition for canelo is questionable. It

491
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Speaker 1: is very very high for for for ter excuse me,

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Speaker 1: that part is clear. I don't really need to explain it.

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Speaker 1: And it's not to say that there's no value in

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Speaker 1: Canelo beating Terrence Crawford. But if the risk, of course

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Speaker 1: is significantly greater, I think than among the other available options,

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Speaker 1: it would be quite bad for a guy moving up

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Speaker 1: with how many weight classes at this point, right, I

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Speaker 1: mean three four, depending where you want to start the

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Speaker 1: whole country. Yeah, yeah, well if you start about one forty,

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Speaker 1: it's even more. And the point I'm trying to make

501
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Speaker 1: here is if you're canelo you beat a guy, they're out.

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Speaker 1: They are going to say. I imagine it ends up

503
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Speaker 1: being like one sided where he drops him a couple times.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be like, oh, well, what the fuck was

505
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Speaker 1: the point of that? You don't want to have someone

506
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Speaker 1: ask why did we even put this together? That's the

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Speaker 1: only risk.

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Speaker 2: But if Canelo washed Crawford, although yes, you would have

509
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Speaker 2: some people going like, oh wow, turns out that was

510
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Speaker 2: not that fun one side In the end, I don't

511
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Speaker 2: think anyone's gonna be like this once shouldn't happened, because

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Speaker 2: it's it's sort of the intrigue of wanting to see

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Speaker 2: the greatest of right now Crawford against the one of

514
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Speaker 2: the greatest of all time and Canelo and see if

515
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Speaker 2: he can do it on such a ridiculous weight leap

516
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Speaker 2: that if it goes that way, it goes down that way.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm asking you with a hidden slant, would

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Speaker 2: Canelo not take Crawford out of fear of losing to

519
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Speaker 2: him and then ruining a Benavidez fight. That's the real

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Speaker 2: question I'm trying to ask you.

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Speaker 1: They would still make a Benavidez fight, Although to your point,

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Speaker 1: how much would it damage it in the end, if

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Speaker 1: something like that happen, probably significantly or certainly noticeably. Again,

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Speaker 1: I want to be clear, I'm not advocating or I'm

525
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Speaker 1: not here listing things that appeal the most to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to put myself in team Canelo's shoes.

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Speaker 1: I think the way in which he is fighting and

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Speaker 1: the way in which he is approaching matchmaking kind of

529
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Speaker 1: tells us about his values right now and what matters

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Speaker 1: to him and what he's looking for, and kind of

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Speaker 1: out their fights or very risky fights when you have

532
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Speaker 1: a mugia which is not without risk, but more manageable

533
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Speaker 1: risk and still significant reward. I just feel like that

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Speaker 1: makes it a much likelier candidate for what is possible.

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Speaker 1: But dude, if Terrence Crawford and Canelo gets announced for

536
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Speaker 1: Amazon Prime, I mean, it's Christmas came early. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what else to say.

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Speaker 2: Put me in my place with being excited about the

539
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Speaker 2: potential commerciality of that fight. Very few fights in this

540
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Speaker 2: modern illegal streaming era can legitimately do one million pay

541
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Speaker 2: per view buys. Tank versus Ryan did because of the

542
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Speaker 2: unique nature of both having very large fan bases that

543
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Speaker 2: were largely separate from one another. Could Canelo versus Crawford

544
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Speaker 2: do one million buys in today's market.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about one million, but it would do well.

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Speaker 1: It would do very very well. It would do it

547
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Speaker 1: would do really well. I think Terrence Crawford I think

548
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Speaker 1: has blown up. I think has blown up since the

549
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Speaker 1: Aerol Spence win. Obviously, Canelo one of the biggest brands,

550
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Speaker 1: if not the brand, big biggest brand in all of boxing,

551
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Speaker 1: certainly a crossover star in sports. Yeah, that would be huge.

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Speaker 1: It would be again, I dude, I would love to

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Speaker 1: see it, and that does certainly make it more likely

554
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Speaker 1: than it otherwise would be. But I still think it's

555
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Speaker 1: a that's a that's a tricky fight, that's a trap fight.

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Speaker 1: That would you you loved, you love to call out

557
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Speaker 1: trap fights. So that one's got Landmine written all over it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I need I need to see how great

559
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Speaker 2: Terrence Crawford is. These were some things that we asked

560
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Speaker 2: of Floyd. And I'm not trying to again to throw

561
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Speaker 2: darts at Floyd. I mean, Floyd ended up fighting everybody,

562
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Speaker 2: so I can I can f off. And he told

563
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Speaker 2: me that Luke and I was setting him up to

564
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Speaker 2: tell me that in Miami when we talked to him.

565
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Speaker 2: But there was a time where we were like, Floyd

566
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Speaker 2: is so great at forty seven and one fifty four.

567
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Speaker 2: When he would go up the three times that it

568
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Speaker 2: was like, damn, could he win a midleway title? Could

569
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Speaker 2: he fight Andre Ward at sixty eight? Which is stupid,

570
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: but like that's the thing. Kevin Ily actually wrote a

571
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Speaker 2: column about that at one point, Floyd having to move

572
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Speaker 2: up to sixty eight to fight Ward if he really

573
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Speaker 2: wants to show his greatness. My point is when you

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Speaker 2: get someone that's so great that you don't know where

575
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Speaker 2: their ceiling is, the natural fan in you wants to

576
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Speaker 2: just max out, see how far you can go. We

577
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Speaker 2: got to see that with Pacquiao, but it's rare to

578
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Speaker 2: be in that spot to make that happen. You wonder

579
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Speaker 2: with Crawford, who is bigger for the division than Floyd

580
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Speaker 2: was because he was naturally smaller, could he put on

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Speaker 2: that weight and do something this crazy, which is forget

582
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Speaker 2: when just compete head to head with Can on these terms, tam.

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Speaker 2: But with all that said, Luke, I do think Mongia

584
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: is second behind Charlo right now from what we know

585
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Speaker 2: who we're just doing just doing basement math. I think

586
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Speaker 2: Mongia has the second best chance to get Canelo in May,

587
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: and I think that's all you could ask for after

588
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: performance that great, because it was great against.

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Speaker 1: Ryder Uh it was certainly very great. Again, I hope

590
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: Mungia gets it over Charlow. I don't really know what

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Speaker 1: PBC is going to do. There's also the indication like,

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Speaker 1: would Canelo even want to work with Dala Hoya again

593
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have to. That's we didn't even get

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Speaker 1: to that's abtously going to play a significant role. But

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Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes. We see, all right, let's

596
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: switch gears here a little bit if we can, and

597
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Speaker 1: talk about what happened with John Annik last week. So

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Speaker 1: we have the context we're gonna set it up here.

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Speaker 1: We have some of the video and then his written

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Speaker 1: apology that came afterwards. But basically he was on his podcast,

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Speaker 1: the Anak and Florian Podcast, and he made some comments

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Speaker 1: that he really he indicated he was really kind of

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Speaker 1: upset with a portion of the fan base for the

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Speaker 1: way in which they had attacked him for his perceived integrity.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll the.

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Speaker 3: Clip, because even if you and I both thought Drake

607
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Speaker 3: is duplus C won the fight. We try to present

608
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Speaker 3: that information respectfully, and when I go on to X

609
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Speaker 3: or I go to our YouTube comments, it seems like

610
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Speaker 3: a lot of these fans are just in attack mode.

611
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 3: And I don't know if these fans are casual fans

612
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 3: or not, right, but I appreciate the passion, but I'm

613
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: getting to a point at forty five years of age,

614
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: where I don't know how much time I have left

615
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 3: in this MMA space, because if I go do pro football, like,

616
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 3: I'm not necessarily going to be dealing with this lowest

617
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 3: common denominator all the time. And I don't know, man,

618
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Speaker 3: I just feel like there's a lot of malice and

619
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Speaker 3: disrespect from the fan base, and we can disagree, like

620
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: don't take it from me, Demitrius Johnson and Kenny Floorian

621
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Speaker 3: thought DVP won the fight.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I've just been very off put with the negativity that

624
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Speaker 3: has permeated my feed since Saturday night, and I'm just

625
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: not sure how much longer I have in this space, honestly, Yeah, listen.

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Speaker 1: Man, Okay. And so there was a enormous reactions in

627
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Speaker 1: all different directions, and then let's put the graphic. He

628
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Speaker 1: put out an apology a couple of days later. He writes, quote,

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Speaker 1: last week on my podcast, that was in a heightened

630
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Speaker 1: emotional state following myriad allegations of bias at UFC two

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, and I made some regrettable comments relating to

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Speaker 1: the MMA fan base. While I was surprised at the

633
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Speaker 1: extent to which my comments were repurposed and sensationalized. I

634
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: need to be more responsible on an open microphone. So

635
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: much work goes into the execution of just one UFC

636
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: pay per view. It can be tough when my integrity

637
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: on the broadcast is called into question. That doesn't excuse

638
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: my retort. I am just a fiery, passionate, flawed, empathetic guy,

639
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: and sometimes my emotions lead the dance. To those MMA

640
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: fans who who I've offended, I'm sorry. That was not

641
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Speaker 1: my intention. For twelve years, I've prided myself on being

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00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: accessible to the fan base, and that will continue. I've

643
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: learned a lot over the last forty eight hours. Onto Anaheim,

644
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: of course, indicating UFC two ninety eight, there BC pitch

645
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: it to you, what is the best way to understand

646
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: his comments, the reaction, the apology and everything in between.

647
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: Well, I think, yes, I have to add in there

648
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: that in the timeline that between annex message on his

649
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: podcast and the response apology, you did have a lot

650
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: of fighters coming to his side, like overwhelming amount. But

651
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: you also did have Sean Strickland come out on X

652
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: and basically say, like, you know, these fans are the

653
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: same ones that are paying your salary. So when John

654
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: came out with the apology, it did you know, Look,

655
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: I haven't talked to John, although I definitely consider him

656
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: in this business, you know, a friend, someone I respect

657
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: a lot. It felt like, you know, was he asked?

658
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: That was my first response too, Well, did they force

659
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: him to do this? Look, here's what I want to

660
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: say about it? Or what was the true nature of

661
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: your question right there? What should we have learned from this? Yeah?

662
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: Like what lesson do you take? What's the best way

663
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: to understand what happened?

664
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: Look, I don't you know if John felt he needed

665
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: to come out to apologize to clear the air, if

666
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: he felt that certain elements of his message were getting

667
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: sort of sort of framed in ways that weren't true.

668
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: Like Luke, when I came out and said Strickland's comments

669
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: that time I thought were gross and it made me

670
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: feel this sport was getting gross everyone at take mostly

671
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: under the guise of fighting against the political message he had,

672
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: when it wasn't really about that, it was about the core.

673
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: So in this case, if John wants to apologize, because

674
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: maybe there were you know, based on the fallout of it,

675
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: there were fans that that didn't get or fully understand

676
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: his message and didn't like it. I could understand that.

677
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: But what I loved about John saying that on his

678
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: podcast and being some raw and vulnerable was that he

679
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: did have something to lose, meaning that he's the voice

680
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: of this company, and he was somebody from that side

681
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: of the line who was actually willing to stand up

682
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: and say, all things considered, like there's a change going

683
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: on here that is not great, and you know what

684
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it might not be MMA fueled, right Like

685
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, You can go to you

686
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: can look at Twitter slash x and say, since Elon joined,

687
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: has that kind of really gotten grosser, you know, really

688
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: gone downhill in those ways? And maybe does that speak

689
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: to a vocal minority fan base that doesn't represent the

690
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: full MMA UFC fan base. It might we may get

691
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: too caught up in that. But things have gotten gross,

692
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: things that fighters have said to lack of decision making

693
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: in certain aspects from UFC and trying to control some things,

694
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: and to see one of their own come forward and say, hey, guys,

695
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: like I know it was real. It was. It wasn't

696
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: based in what Strickland said. It was based in people,

697
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: mostly Strickland fans. I would assume feeling that John because

698
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: he may have scored it the other way or whatever

699
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: was you know, was biased, which wasn't the case. But Luke,

700
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: it's it's the cesspool has gotten as dirty as ever.

701
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: So is that just social media or is that just

702
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: the client climate we're in separate from MMA, or is

703
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: it just within the UFC right now? Either way, I

704
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: was happy John actually spoke up and at the very

705
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: least put out a you know, an other side of

706
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: that argument, and and that wasn't going out of his

707
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: way to throw darts at that side, but to just say, like,

708
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: look like, what's going on, Maybe we should you know,

709
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: look at this from a larger point of view and

710
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: sort of restructure how we act in our decorum because

711
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: that is becoming the image of the sport, and that's

712
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: why it's dangerous. That's why I harp on, well, if

713
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: UFC is not going to police their own, not just

714
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: on political message but anything, you're going to have a lawless,

715
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: you know, ruthless area where anything can happen. So I

716
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: was happy John spoke up. I hope that the apology

717
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: wasn't forced and that it was him just wanting to

718
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: speak to to fans that were upset that maybe he

719
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: wasn't really you know, pointing towards Maybe he was really

720
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: just focusing on the negativity from the scoring and the

721
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: whole idea of every close fight isn't a robbery. It

722
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: just means the judges preferred one direction. So with all

723
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: that said, I didn't I didn't love that he felt

724
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: that he had to come out and do that, but

725
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: I'd like to know more info in the origins on it,

726
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: because I'm just happy somebody smoke up and and was

727
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: you know, this is not something that gets talked about.

728
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 2: It gets shut down quick. So I'm happy on that

729
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: side that somebody actually raised their hand and said something. Look,

730
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: and I know like the response will be the pussification

731
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: of MMA media. In this MMA space, guys, it's cage fighting.

732
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: I know that, but it's like it's.

733
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: Wild will I don't even get that argument. So I've

734
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: seen cage fighting without this. It's it's fine, like you know,

735
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: like this is the secret sauce or something. There's just

736
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: some invention that people have come up with. I mean,

737
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: I had a few reactions to this. Again, there is

738
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: some sort of internet speculation about whether or not the

739
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: apology was forced. We would just be speculating based on

740
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: no information. I have no idea if it is. I

741
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: would agree with you that if if it was, and

742
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: again that's an if, well, then that would tell you

743
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: everything you need to know. But who knows. I don't

744
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: really know. I did text Annik a message. He responded

745
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: and it was obviously very cordial and polite and cool.

746
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: So just put that on the record. But we didn't

747
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: have a back and forth. It was really one in,

748
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: one out, and then I called it a day. But

749
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: there's been a couple of weird reactions to this one.

750
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: It goes back to the whole thing before about like

751
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: free speech and the when we know that's really not

752
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: what this is about. It's just about worldview implementation. So

753
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: like here's the first thing that I reaction that I

754
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: did not understand BC War one is like, people will

755
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: complain that the toxicity both on social media and then

756
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 1: in the larger MMA on at least on the online

757
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: fan base, because I actually find this to be not

758
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: nearly as true in person, which should tell you that

759
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: some of this is just a little bit you know,

760
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: media and naval gazing. But being like, oh, it's actually

761
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: not any worse. You guys are making it up. It's like,

762
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: it's like, guys, do you know how fucking stupid that is? Right,

763
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: here's how fucking stupid that is. We are living at

764
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: a time where MMA fans, when no political figure of

765
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: any electoral or federal consequence was at an event, they

766
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: were not in attendance, and the fans, of their own volition,

767
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: multiple times got chance going about f the current Prime

768
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: Minister and then on top of it, f basically our

769
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: current president, which is fine, they can do that, but

770
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: they did it unsolicited because there's no one patrolling in

771
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: the audience and they're in Canada. We're talking about people

772
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: who lead with culture wars as the first part of

773
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: their personality, right, the kind of person who shows up

774
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: at a party and their friend introduces them to everyone

775
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: else like, oh, this is by buddy Steve. And then

776
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: Steve goes hi, everybody, I'm Steve. Let's go am I right,

777
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: And then everyone at the party is like, Okay, this

778
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: fucking guy's here, all right, Like what are we gonna

779
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: do about this? Go Lee man, Now, it's gonna be

780
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: one of those nights. That's that's who this is. And

781
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: then they want us to pretend we don't notice that. Dude,

782
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: we fucking noticed that. Like, how do you not notice

783
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: it? It is quite obvious and it is quite intentional. Please

784
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: stop trying to gaslight everybody into saying that there's not

785
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: actually a difference, if there's not actually an increase, that

786
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: there's not any of this belligerence that we quite obviously detect,

787
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: because part of that belligerence is like the obligation of

788
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: that culture war like to to make that a leading

789
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: part of your personality, to lead with it, and to

790
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: be simply unapologetic of it. I mean, we talked about

791
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: Seann Stricklin's comments at two ninety seven before he even

792
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: got asked a question as he walked up excuse me.

793
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: As he walked up to the stage, he started talking

794
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: about all these political things unsolicited, unsolicited, So it's not

795
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: part of anybody's imagination. Number one, let's just get that please.

796
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: Out of it. No, it just used to be handled, Luke.

797
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: It used to be handled to keep it out, which

798
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 2: is the same argument a lot of people had about

799
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 2: keeping that stuff out of the NBA and NFL. So yet,

800
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: you know, a donk, I forgot the guy's name. I

801
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: wish I wrote it down, sent me a hey, BC,

802
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: you should probably mention on the show. Remember that time.

803
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: And it turns out, remember that time yol Romero was

804
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: talking about Jesus and there was a you know, there

805
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: was a controversy in data, specifically, Zacht doesn't want to

806
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: hear that. They don't want to hear your thoughts on Jesus.

807
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: It's like, so what is it? You know what what has?

808
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: Well? Listen, I'm not I'm not I think for the

809
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: time being, I'm not advocating any particular I don't know

810
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: what the right answers in terms of how to police

811
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 1: any of this. What I am trying to argue for, though,

812
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: is again one more week where I'm asking for some honesty.

813
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: Please stop trying to tell us it's not different. He

814
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: is quite obviously different because of what you can visibly

815
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: detect it in any number of ways. And then on

816
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: top of it, part of what's happening here is troll culture.

817
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: The reason why people like John Anick are getting upset

818
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: is this combination between culture war, identification as a substitute

819
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: for personality, and then on top of it troll culture,

820
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: where everything is about maximal agitation. This is what is happening,

821
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: and as people observe it, then there is the common

822
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: response that will quit crying about it. Guys, if we're

823
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: gonna have this sort of notion about we're allowed to

824
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: speak our mind that works in both directions, just kind

825
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: of understand that, and particularly if you're trying to elicit

826
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: a response from people by being maximally culture worn out

827
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: and maximally trolled out, this is what's going to naturally happen.

828
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: Just kind of accept a little bit more that it's

829
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: part of the process. But that to that ENDBC, I

830
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: don't imagine that we're going to convince anyone to abandon

831
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: their views. I'm just asking people to, like, look in

832
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: the mirror here. You're doing it on purpose. For the

833
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: folks he's complaining about it is done intentionally. Please quit

834
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: trying to say that this is something that we're just

835
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: happening to be more sensitive about over time. It is

836
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: quite obviously nonsensical.

837
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: Very well, yeah, I just feel like because you know,

838
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: you don't hear anyone having that opinion. When Dana said,

839
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: like onequivocally talking specifically about Strickland's comments, Remember he said, oh,

840
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: there were two you know, gay fighters on the stage

841
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: next to him, men Rocky Pennington and my Era Buono Silva.

842
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: And remember he said, you know, add nauseum that they're

843
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: fine with it. And then I don't did you see

844
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: that interview that I that I shot you a link

845
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: to to when Aaron Bronsteader interviewed h Pennington. It was

846
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: after she won the championship at two ninety seven, and

847
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: he essentially asked her and she said that like it

848
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: was Dana who took them into another room and like

849
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: made sure they were okay with everything Strickland said and

850
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: wanted to make you know, and like asked them if

851
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: they still wanted to come out to the press conference,

852
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: and they were they you know, said they'll be fine,

853
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: they'll go, but they also were like this is absolute bullshit.

854
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 2: And and to hear Pennington's heartfelt thoughts about why someone

855
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: so openly just offering those type of opinions out, how

856
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: hurtful that can be. I mean, this is a company

857
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: that has championed for rights in a lot of these areas, Luke.

858
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: So to see that, yeah, to see that go so

859
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 2: quickly to like this lawless reality, that's really what we're

860
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: talking about, Like what you know, Like, is this what

861
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: everybody wants the UFC to be? As fan as journalists,

862
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: as fighter as whatever. If this is what you want,

863
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: then it's gonna be that it looks like it, But

864
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: don't be upset when there's fallout. Essentially is really what's

865
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: coming on. So I'm happy that John did speak up

866
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: in the first place. I am that at least there's

867
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: some voices out there, Luke.

868
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a lot of

869
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: good points there. It's just kind of a weird place.

870
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: I mean, like we'll circle back and close it here,

871
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: which is just the way I opened it too. People

872
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: being like, oh it's cage fighting, Get over it, guys.

873
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: All of this stuff is a choice, all of it,

874
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: all of it. It doesn't have to be any one

875
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: direction or the other. And you might like different ones

876
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: than we like, and all of that is fine, but

877
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: this idea that like these ideas currently going around again.

878
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very clear about this ideas circa in

879
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, I mean, just totally discredited nonsense being

880
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: recirculated because a new generation decided it was worth entertaining

881
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: one more time. Like, we're not going to look upon

882
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: this necessarily favorably, And you really have to understand that

883
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: this is not also anything that's intrinsically tied to the sport.

884
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: All of that is just an order decision to implement

885
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: it one way or the other. So when we push

886
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: back on it again, people are going to disagree, and

887
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: I understand that, but you really have to wrap your

888
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: mind around it. None of these things are intrinsically part

889
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,959
Speaker 1: of the activity, and we have to decide what kind

890
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: of culture collectively we would like to welcome. I have

891
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: a hard time believing that this kind of exclusionary nonsense

892
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: is going to make its best over the long.

893
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: Term, exactly. And you could just frame everything Luke just

894
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: said as to angry mma journalists who are getting marginalized

895
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: in their careers, which actually might be true to some degree,

896
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: but that's not the fuel right here if you do

897
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: want to drive out the media. And I've seen some

898
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: good tweets in this area, including a nice tweet from

899
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: Alexander k Lee Luke about you know what the media's

900
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: job actually is and should be? They all said it right.

901
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: Alex Bahuonian had a great tweet about it too, like,

902
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 2: it's it's not pr guys, It's it's journalism. It's trying

903
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: to find answers to certain questions or maybe speaking up

904
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: on things that aren't being spoken upon. Like that's the job.

905
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: If you prefer people that are PR for the UFC,

906
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: then you know their channels and they are very popular

907
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: and that's great. But Luke like people, was like, man,

908
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: you guys are just jealous. And Nina Drama, it's like,

909
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 2: congrats on her success. But she also put out a

910
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: post by video where she was crying saying, I'm just

911
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: happy that people finally got to see who the real

912
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 2: strong Sean Strickland is.

913
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: So dude, we don't have the same audience. I'm not

914
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: losing any ordiens because she's gaining. We don't have the

915
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: same audience.

916
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, we did see who the real Strong Strickland was.

917
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah apparently. All right, all right, very good, BC. Let's go,

918
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: let's go to happier topics. Hey, how about Vince McMahon.

919
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: All right, So Jesus Christ, how do I even say this?

920
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon over the weekend is hit with a lawsuit

921
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: and many things are alleged, including but not limited to

922
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: sexual trafficking. The allegations, as I understand, to be seen.

923
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: If I get any part of this story wrong, please

924
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: correct it. But the allegations, as I understand it, are

925
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: so heinous that it forced multiple sponsors, including very long

926
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: standing preeminent sponsors of the WWE, to immediately began to

927
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: sever relationships to the WWE. Once that got moving downhill,

928
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: he resigned Vince McMahon from all operations anything related to WWE,

929
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: as well as resigning from the TKO, the parent company board,

930
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: effective immediately. Nick con made the announcement over the weekend. BC.

931
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: What does this mean for Vince, for TKO and if anything,

932
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know that it does, but if anything,

933
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: for the UFC.

934
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: This is first of all, it was already monumental news,

935
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: especially for those who come from the wrestling side as

936
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: fan or whatever you know. It was always like we

937
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 2: assumed Vince would unfortunately die in office one day because

938
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: he's just been so fueled and succeeding and working and

939
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: driving forward. But when he had his recent sexual scandal

940
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: in all of those lawsuits and the reveal of how

941
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: many people he paid off, we thought that was the

942
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 2: end of it, right, But then he worked out this

943
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: incredible sale that only brought him power again and he

944
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: was suddenly back in the mix. But what was revealed

945
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: from this, like Luke, with respect to the those that

946
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: died in the Crispin Wasss story of you know, almost

947
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: twenty years ago, like this is actually bigger than that,

948
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: just for the full impact of this one man who

949
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: was literally the most instrumental person in this genre, this

950
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: entertainment field, and it still be in it being what

951
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: it is today. Yet, Luke, what they were hiding. And

952
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 2: I think even the way this story got presented as

953
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 2: disgusting as it was in its next level disgusting. I

954
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: think people only read quick excerpts of like you know,

955
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: the defecation and some of the just ridiculous nature of

956
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: this and maybe aren't getting the full picture here. But

957
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: I read the full claim from start to finish at

958
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: mk Donk, who happens to be a lawyer, sent it

959
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 2: to me and I know, you know, everyone can access it,

960
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: but Luke reading this was like I was shaking. I mean,

961
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: I was like in a like a personal rage. This

962
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: is in allegation, and I hope, I hope it's not

963
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: one hundred percent true. But this isn't just as heinous

964
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 2: as it is sexual trafficking and all this other stuff,

965
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: like this is like outright rape, and this is outright

966
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: abuse on levels that were just that are just diabolical

967
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 2: to a next level extreme. I mean the text messages alone,

968
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: I mean just it's unbelievable what went on. And we

969
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: all meaning us that were wrestling journalists at sometime no

970
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 2: knew about a poor backstage culture in WWE. Everyone knew

971
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: about it, but it was always more focused on like

972
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: maybe the abuses of owner to athlete, you know that

973
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: that are you know, that type of thing some of

974
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: the stuff we argue about in the UFC fighters current landscape.

975
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: But like, there's no one bigger to a specific industry

976
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 2: than Vince McMahon is to the history of pro wrestling

977
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: and still had, you know, even at this age, a

978
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: very viable role today even with all the drama, and

979
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: this is a death sentence rightfully, so like we should

980
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: never hear from him again. I mean, this is if

981
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: this is true. This is just so there's gonna be

982
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: a fallout there that's going to be ugly because you know,

983
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: there's a bunch of people named only in that complaint

984
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: under ww executive numbers one, two, three or four, and

985
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 2: you know there's some potential culpability there too for those

986
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: that were identified in that as having full knowledge of

987
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: the kind of stuff that was going on behind the scenes,

988
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: but was sort of seemingly just allowed that. You know,

989
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: there was a reason if anyone turned it tuned into

990
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: the Royal Rumble on Saturday night that brock Lesner suddenly

991
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: wasn't on it because there's a hint to him having

992
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: a major role in this too, and his name got

993
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: pulled and also Luke. They went out of control because

994
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: Slim Jim, once Vince stepped down, decided to come back

995
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: in and be the presenting sponsor for this. They had

996
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: Slimjim like on every video board during the most important

997
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: match and had sections of the crowd all dressed in

998
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: Slim Jim shirts holding giant containers of Slim Jim just

999
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: eating them and dancing. I mean, they went all the

1000
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: way to be like, no, don't worry, it was just

1001
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: one guy, don't We'll get rid of him. We're fine,

1002
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: We're fine, We're fine. And you know, Triple H Luke,

1003
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: who's the son in law of Vince McMahon and people

1004
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: think might be one of those executives labeled in that complaint,

1005
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: but they're gonna have to, you know, figure that out

1006
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: in the legal system and process. He had probably the

1007
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: worst sort of damage control press conference Saturday night with

1008
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 2: with the wrestling media, and shout out to the people

1009
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: in the wrestling media that actually came out and acted

1010
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: like media Luke. You want to see a group of

1011
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: people who who take those passes for the fan element

1012
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: in ways that anyone accused of doing that in boxing

1013
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 2: and MMA aren't even close to. They at least asked

1014
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 2: the questions and Triple H just punted on him and said, hey, guys,

1015
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 2: we just had this great week, you know, meaning creatively right,

1016
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it's just yeah, just come on,

1017
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: but look, this is a monster story just in the

1018
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: celebrity culture pro wrestling area. But I'm interested in what

1019
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: you asked me on the fallout to TKO Group in UFC,

1020
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: because Vince formally.

1021
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: Not when if I may very quickly be see it

1022
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: should be noted these are, of course allegations. And number two,

1023
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: Vince McMahon did acknowledge you with stepping down, but then

1024
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: put out a statement himself saying he would look forward

1025
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: to like vigorously defending himself ticked out for what it

1026
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: is worth.

1027
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: And I think it never put out a statement correct

1028
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: which they never did post.

1029
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I did not see that, but they

1030
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: could have.

1031
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So here's the here's the key question I have

1032
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: is like, look, this is you know, heinous bed beyond

1033
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: belief if it's true, and unfortunately, look, if it's true,

1034
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: you gotta believe there's gonna be other stories coming out,

1035
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 2: because Vince has already had other heinous stories that came

1036
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: out that that he originally had to remove himself from

1037
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: the company for. So unfortunately, there's a there's a there's

1038
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: a pattern here that goes beyond whispers. I hope they

1039
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: figure it all out legally, but that's a damage obviously

1040
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: in so many ways to the brand and to the

1041
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: genre and all of that. I mean, Vince had a

1042
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: job that was higher than Dana and the t k

1043
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: O R you know, in that in that uh career

1044
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: in the in the silo there. So what does that

1045
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: do to everything we're talking about in the UFC, which

1046
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: is part of the same parent group there about the

1047
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: sudden tolerance of anything like Connor threw a dolly through

1048
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: a window and almost you know, injured his coworkers are

1049
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: in some cases did and was rewarded with the biggest

1050
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: fight in history, and data said, well, guys, he just

1051
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: he paid a lot, He paid millions in legal fees.

1052
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: That's enough. When you act like that, you allow an

1053
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: open field for anything to happen. Something really, really bad

1054
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: just happened in WWE. I wonder if there's a warning

1055
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: in there of a crackdown of when things can go

1056
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 2: too far. Luke.

1057
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: So here here's my readas somebody who does not know

1058
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: the professional wrestling industry, but just trying to make sense

1059
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: of this. Because the UFC and WWE obviously have the

1060
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: same parent group TKO. It was interesting to see how

1061
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: quickly the dominoes once they started falling, as it relates

1062
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: to the sponsor withdrawal, how quickly decisions were made, right.

1063
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like it showed that the primacy of what

1064
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: they value was the WWE bottom line, certainly much more

1065
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: than Vince's continue relationship to the business. But if you

1066
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: actually watch what uh both Nick con said as well

1067
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: as what Vince said, they agreed that there was this

1068
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: termination of the existing relationship. But which you don't ever

1069
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: hear is that Owen will never be partners with them again.

1070
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: You actually don't hear that at all. And in fact,

1071
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 1: what I think that the shows is that the WWE

1072
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: can and in fact will see it as existential to

1073
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: act if something like sponsors are getting pulled during a

1074
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: week where they started that week BC with huge news

1075
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: related to this monster deal with Netflix. I mean they

1076
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: were riding high earlier in the week. Yes or no,

1077
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: I think it's yes, something like that something you know,

1078
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: an enormous deal in every way show one show, one

1079
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: show and again with with the one like one of

1080
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: the two streamers in the entire business making money hand

1081
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: over fists like nobody. You can literally take shows that

1082
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: have existed on Max, put them on Netflix and they

1083
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: instantly turned to hits because no one watches them on

1084
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: the other one and everybody watches Netflix. That's a real

1085
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: thing that has happened. And so this they started the

1086
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: week with this incredible amount of positive news. But what

1087
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: I think is going tore they're going to try to

1088
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: happen is if possible, Vince is going to try and

1089
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: fight this and rehab his way back into having some

1090
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: kind of relationship, and that in that event they will

1091
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: probably welcome him back in if that is achievable. So

1092
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: it's the same kind of thing with Dana All, you know,

1093
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: going back to what the nature of the sponsors are, like,

1094
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: why what's ESPN's feeling about Sean Stricklan. My understanding is

1095
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: they're not really thrilled with him, but it is business

1096
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: and they're just going to keep going. As long as

1097
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: that's the modus operandi, We'll just get what we get.

1098
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: If there is some kind of executive scandal and somehow

1099
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: the MMA sponsors care enough that they feel like it's

1100
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: damaging to their brand, you'll get something similar. But all

1101
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: of these things are conditional. That's a very high bar

1102
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: relatively speaking, to achieve in MMA. I'm not saying it

1103
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything for TKO, and it doesn't meannything for UFC.

1104
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: But what it does kind of tell me is everything

1105
00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: is very specific, conditional, context dependent. There are limits to everything,

1106
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: but there are back doors always for billionaires. It's just

1107
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: the way the world works, it appears.

1108
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm telling you, if you don't read that, Luke,

1109
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: if you haven't read the detail, don't do it, because

1110
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: I know it's an allegation, but it's it's you know,

1111
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: damn like that.

1112
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: They're not money. They're not money. The allegations are not money.

1113
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah bad, Yeah, yeah, I'm m. I mean, look, this

1114
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 2: is you know, quasi combat sports, but it's close enough.

1115
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: This is a story you just didn't think would go

1116
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: this way, and this dark of a turn for one

1117
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: man in the in the in the legacy. You know,

1118
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: you can say that doesn't relate to UFC at all,

1119
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're they're they're business partner.

1120
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 1: I mean. The lesson is, are there consum Are there

1121
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: are there pressure points that, even in our age of

1122
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 1: elite unaccountability, are there pressure points you can still touch

1123
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: to get reactions? Yes, it turns out that there are yes,

1124
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: But all of these are conditional. All of these nothing

1125
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: is written into stone. All of this is only for

1126
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: the moment less Vince can rehab. There's just a lot

1127
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: of way. I mean, that's your point. Did Vince was

1128
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: already gone once commander to return and then this is

1129
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: his second time? This is like those guys who get

1130
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: like married, like seven times, you know what I mean.

1131
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: They just cycled through them and then they weighed out

1132
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: in the cycle and they come back again. We shall

1133
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: see if that happens to Vince McMahon. I do not know. BC.

1134
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: Topic number four, let's review some UFC three hundred news

1135
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,919
Speaker 1: that kind of got circulated during last week. Now here's

1136
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: the interesting part. The UFC announced for UFC three hundred

1137
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: you had done a video on the relatively big news

1138
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: I would consider for Holly Holm at one hundred and

1139
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: thirty five pounds taking on Kayla Harrison. There was some

1140
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: consternation about that, which frankly I kind of agree with,

1141
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: which is okay, very cool that Kayla's here, Very cool,

1142
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: glad to see that that's a change. All right, that's positive.

1143
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: One did some fresh blood, But how the hell is

1144
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: she going to get to that weight? And what is

1145
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: she even going to be like when she gets down there.

1146
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: There was additional announcement past that BC where they announced

1147
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: for UFC three hundred Jessica Androge taking on Marina Hadriguez,

1148
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: and I saw awe some pushback from that, which I

1149
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: found to be a little bit baffling. So tell me

1150
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: your review now on the UFC three hundred card Hadriguez

1151
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 1: and and Androge, what that does for you and what

1152
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: you make of some of the pushback.

1153
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still think three hundred needs a main event.

1154
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get a fight that has not

1155
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: been announced yet, and I think that'll be the main

1156
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: event because I think it needs it. But where it's

1157
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: gonna be at if that main event is, you know,

1158
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: decent at least? Is this card is coming together? Awesome.

1159
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: I'm loving what three hundred is becoming. The depth is incredible.

1160
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, so look, here's what I'm trying to figure out.

1161
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 2: I watched the fallout of the announcements of these two

1162
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: female fights in particular closely, and I even wrote a

1163
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 2: positive column about Katie versus Holly or Kayla versus Holly

1164
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: excuse me, and did a video like you mentioned I'm

1165
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 2: Morning Combat reacting to it. But it seemed like everyone's

1166
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: take was different on why they didn't like it. But

1167
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 2: there was like very little positive. It was either the

1168
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 2: come on, Kayla can't cut the thirty five, or come on,

1169
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: Holly's washed in forty two and this will be one sided,

1170
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: or come on enough with the women's fighting already. So

1171
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out if the because all I

1172
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,959
Speaker 2: saw in reaction to Androg versus Hadriguez, when in reality, guys,

1173
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: this might be like the second fight of the night,

1174
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 2: and this fights pretty badass. I mean, it's a pretty

1175
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: damn good fight between age and contenders in this division.

1176
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 2: I'm down with it completely. The full reaction I saw

1177
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: on Twitter was like enough of these bullshit women fights.

1178
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering, is this just again a vocal minority

1179
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: group that's troll fueled, that might not have a history

1180
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: as MMA fans, that maybe came to M and A

1181
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 2: recently for whatever reason, and these are just the only

1182
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 2: people on X these days and they just happened to

1183
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 2: be responding to my feed. But it was literally like

1184
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: eighty percent was like, this fight sucks. They should get

1185
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 2: rid of the women's divisions altogether, you know, put them

1186
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: in a kitchen and a gun on the other hand,

1187
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: or something like that. Luke, that's where that's where we

1188
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 2: were at with this. Maybe I just need to get

1189
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: off X. Maybe that's what John Anick was really saying,

1190
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 2: Luke when he said that I.

1191
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: Have to make it about I mean again, the moderation

1192
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: there has gone certainly downhill BC. I mean, here's what

1193
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: I would say about this, Okay, I actually am not

1194
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: immune to the idea that there are legitimate Listen to

1195
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: the words that I am saying very clearly and very carefully.

1196
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: Do I think that somebody who doesn't hate women is

1197
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: also able to say, Hey, women's MMA did not have

1198
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: a super high performing year in the UFC in twenty

1199
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: twenty three. That's a very fair statement. Obviously, you can

1200
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 1: look at fights like Schevchenko and Grosso and you could say, wow,

1201
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: those were delivered big time, no issue, like one undred

1202
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: percent true. Of course, we've talked about it before. Tatiano

1203
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 1: Suarez has had a bit of a hiccup, but her

1204
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: return has been a another day. I mean jan Sha

1205
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: Nan turning things around. There's lots of positives that were

1206
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: things that were excellent that you could take, but it

1207
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: was not a super high performing year. Did not have

1208
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: a lot of stand up performances, and it did not

1209
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: have a lot of epic rival It did not have

1210
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: a lot of just really you know, next level work happening,

1211
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: and that can happen over time. And I understand that

1212
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: it was not a high performing year, and so that

1213
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: on the back of also what we got as the

1214
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: co main event for two and eighty seven, which was

1215
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: a dreadful affair, absolutely dreadful affair. I'm not saying that

1216
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: there aren't legitimate criticisms to make of perhaps the state

1217
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: of women's mma, about the rivalries, about the gap between

1218
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: that and the men's game. We can have a conversation

1219
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: about that, dude, Jessica Androge versus Marina Haddriguez. That is

1220
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: not part of the problem. And that is not the

1221
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: fucking hill to die on. I mean, it seems like

1222
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: the opposite of the hill to die on. You know,

1223
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna slug that one out. And Haddriguez on the

1224
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 1: other side, has certainly become a little bit more I think,

1225
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: hittable and to an extent beatable. She's certainly a lot older. Dude,

1226
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: Androge is going to all likelihood like demolish her. This

1227
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: is this is the major complaint to have. I even understand, like, hey,

1228
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: I got personally, do I have skepticism of that, You're

1229
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: gonna get a great Kayla Harrison at one hundred and

1230
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 1: thirty five pounds. I am skeptical of that. I don't

1231
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: know how that's gonna go. But I don't get a warm,

1232
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: fuzzy feeling about it. But dude androdge versus Adriguez, especially

1233
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: if it starts the card, it's not really featured on

1234
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: the pay per view side, nor should it be. No,

1235
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: no one's suggesting as much. This will be an all

1236
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: action affair for as long as it lasts. I cannot

1237
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: even fathom what the what the problem here is other

1238
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: than are there other good fights you could have put there? Yeah,

1239
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good fights you could put in

1240
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: a lot of places. There's nothing prohibitively bad about it

1241
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: or representatively a part of broader decline that this signals

1242
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: that'll lets you get you know, irate or like, really

1243
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: dramatically affected by it. This is not the one, even

1244
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: if I am willing to acknowledge. Yeah, two and twenty

1245
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: three was not a standout year for women's MMA in general.

1246
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: It's totally fair. You can divorce the two and understand

1247
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: them for what they are.

1248
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: I think that's fair, Luke, Definitely, I think that's fair

1249
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: and I and I don't. Again, I don't know if

1250
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: this is just one small subset screaming and I can't

1251
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: stop hearing that. But those are pretty damn good fights.

1252
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you one element though, of the

1253
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: Kayla versus Holly fight that maybe not be maybe not

1254
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 2: be getting talked about enough, And it's the whole idea here, Luke,

1255
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 2: of remember when Cyborg was brought in, they wanted her

1256
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: to cut to one thirty five. They wanted it, you know,

1257
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: some Sprousey showdown, big money, all that, and they gave

1258
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: her the chance to cut to one forty and she

1259
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: did it. But then you know, that led to okay,

1260
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: we should probably open up a one forty five division,

1261
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: and they also did that and Cyborg, to her credit,

1262
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: became champion. Do you think that it's also a tryout

1263
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: from the UFC's idea that if Kayla either can't make

1264
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: thirty five or makes it and is compromised and either

1265
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: loses or let's just say, wins, but it's not, you know,

1266
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: overly impressive, that they might be able to just go okay,

1267
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 2: you tried it, thank you, but we didn't officially kill

1268
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: the one forty five division. Now, Dana said probably, right,

1269
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 2: you know, everyone's like probably, but it's not officially dead.

1270
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 2: You hear those rumors that Amanda Newness is back up

1271
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: in the bullpen at the very least, just training, just

1272
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: just seeing what's up. I'm wondering, Luke that even though

1273
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 2: we have this idea that if Kayla can make one

1274
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: thirty five consistently and if she comes in here and

1275
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 2: beats Holly, she might fight for the title next like

1276
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, for all we know, and may become that champion.

1277
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: But if it doesn't work out, you could build toward

1278
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: Kayla versus Amanda potentially, and remember that the storyline as

1279
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 2: teammates and Amanda not believing that the gym was prioritizing

1280
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: her over Kayla and all that. That's a that's a

1281
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 2: you know, pro wrestling angle right there. But in real life,

1282
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: I think that's a great fallback plan for the UFC

1283
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: because all I've seen in the last few days, I

1284
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 2: saw Big John McCarthy had a similar take where people

1285
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 2: were just like Kayla's actually doing the opposite of what

1286
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: Dana accused Francis of doing. They're saying she's going away

1287
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: from the actual competition, which would have been Pacheco and Cyborg,

1288
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: and going into an area potentially at one thirty five

1289
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 2: where it might be an easier fight for her against

1290
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: Rocky Pennington than those other two. But I think if

1291
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: you're going to say that, you're not taking into a

1292
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: count the risk that Kayla's doing and cutting down in

1293
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: wait and.

1294
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: You're also significant handicap a month.

1295
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're also not taking it from the angle of

1296
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 2: her going to the UFC potentially even for less money,

1297
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: because she was probably set up to do well in

1298
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 2: the PFC PFL money wise. This is also her like

1299
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 2: trying to figure it find out how great she can be.

1300
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: So I haven't loved some of those negative takes, But dude,

1301
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: Amanda's not getting getting up in the bullpen for no

1302
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 2: reason here, Luke, right, let's let's look.

1303
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: Let's look well, I mean, couldn't Why couldn't they just

1304
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: do Holly versus her versus Kayla at one forty five

1305
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: If they were trying to set up a one forty

1306
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 1: five versus Amanda.

1307
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: What about a fall back? Because they haven't shut forty

1308
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: five down, so maybe they just wanted this is the experience.

1309
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: I mean people I get asked this question in my

1310
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: life chat frequently, which is like, oh, you know, could

1311
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: you expand women's MMA. You can, but right now, not

1312
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: at one forty five. The best talent that certainly is

1313
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: already at PFL in general, or there's really not much

1314
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: to begin with. You'd actually scale the other way, which

1315
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 1: is to adam weight. You would get a one oh

1316
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: five division. I think a one to five division in

1317
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: women's of MMA is significantly more likely than certainly one

1318
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: thirty five. You actually might even spind smaller weight classes

1319
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: if they divide them up a little bit differently, like

1320
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: doing it we never talk about this, but doing it

1321
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: on the men's schedule ten pounds apart may not make

1322
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: sense for women's MMA. But separate conversation for a separate time.

1323
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: But do you think that the UFC, which have been

1324
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: strategic now because PFL came out and said we're competing

1325
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: with you. They were bold And what did UFC do

1326
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 2: since then? They signed Michael venmpage and Kayla Harrison and

1327
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: not saying it's purposefulle to like poke them in the eye,

1328
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: but it's also smart business to potentially take someone available

1329
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 2: UFC contracts are really hard to get out of. I'm

1330
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: sure PFL contracts have an easier way contract.

1331
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: If PFL contracts are equally bad.

1332
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's good to know. I was wondering if you,

1333
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: if you if my idea worked out where Kayla settled

1334
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: at forty five, in the long run, they kept the

1335
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: division alive. Maybe they go free agent hop in and

1336
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: try to get Pacheco back in to where.

1337
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: She started to do again. I really it's not that

1338
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: one forty five is dead in the sense that, again

1339
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: the UFC will make everything conditional. We may not. Our

1340
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: business is closed at one forty five. I don't know

1341
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: if they're going to be like that clarative about it.

1342
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: They might just give themselves a little bit of leeway.

1343
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: But I once talked to UFC matchmakers about like what

1344
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: a division requires, and what I was basically told is

1345
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: that you have to have at least twenty people on

1346
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: rotation that you can do that with, and that takes

1347
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: up bandwidth and time around all the other weight classes

1348
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: you have to pay attention to. They're not just going

1349
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 1: to keep a one forty five class, and I don't

1350
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: think they're going to bring it back anytime soon. They tried,

1351
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: there's not enough talent there. Maybe Kaylea could be a

1352
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: difference maker. I don't think so, not because she's not great,

1353
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: but because there's just not much there. Again, I think

1354
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna scale back the other direction. And you see

1355
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 1: what in Victa is doing with their Adam weight division.

1356
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: I think that's probably next to what Invicta does tends

1357
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: to be a leading indicator of which way the UFC

1358
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:39,959
Speaker 1: ultimately goes.

1359
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 2: Just do women's heavyweight. It solves everything. Tell them BC

1360
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 2: sent you, I mean, come on, just do it.

1361
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: You want you just want two lunch ladies just out

1362
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: there fucking slinging the dogs on each other. All right?

1363
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: We see. Also, Connor McGregor tweeted out that he was,

1364
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, UFC three hundred is basically he kind of

1365
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: hinted that he wanted to be part of it. Michael

1366
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: Cha of course right after him being like, you know,

1367
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: challenge accepted.

1368
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, Jill, we'll yell my guy fight

1369
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: a heavyweight. Yeah, all right?

1370
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: B see. Can I ask a question about this, just

1371
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on between Connor and the UFC.

1372
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: Connor wants to come back immediately they don't want I

1373
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: guess they still want to wait out the six month period,

1374
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: which is why they're probably not including him. I think

1375
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: it would still be at the five or whatever it

1376
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: would be, or maybe even then it still qualifies. I

1377
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: just I gotta be honest, I just don't even know.

1378
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: They seem to be on very different positions about where

1379
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: he wants to be and where they want him, right.

1380
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: You know, we do always tend to like go against

1381
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: UFC naturally in this let's let's take a UFC pro angle.

1382
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: Connor may be like very savvy and hard to negotiate with.

1383
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: So if they are in a if they are in

1384
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: a position right now where they feel like they don't

1385
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: need him, and technically right now they don't, They've got

1386
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: a loaded two ninety nine car to a three hundred

1387
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 2: that's gonna hit because it's it's got so much talent

1388
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: on it, it's got to hit, right, I mean, it's

1389
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: gonna be an attraction. They've got all those other big

1390
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 2: fight night cards that are popping up from Saudi to

1391
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 2: Mexico City that like kind of matter extra you got,

1392
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: no cha. So if Connor can come back, yeah, that's

1393
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: the perfect international Fight Week, super Bowl, and that's just

1394
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: another thing you can add on, But they don't actually

1395
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 2: need him, so they don't need to bend to the

1396
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 2: will of potentially or maybe it's more six month related

1397
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: to give that visual that Yusata might be gone. But

1398
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean we're just gonna let people do what

1399
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: they want, even though it probably means that. But whatever

1400
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 2: you like, whatever whatever on that. But I just wonder,

1401
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: is there any do you think Connor is in the

1402
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 2: discussion at all in the UFC matchmaking room about three

1403
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 2: hundred because Dana did say he's about to announce a

1404
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: walterweight title fight with with city and date, and because

1405
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: he said that that way, people are thinking he's moving

1406
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: Leon Edwards against Bolal off of that card. And I

1407
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: still think they need an actual main event, whether it

1408
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 2: would be Tom aspinall versus somebody or Poeton in some

1409
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 2: form or out of Sonia whatever like, there's options. What

1410
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: do you think right now? Is Connor in play as

1411
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 2: a possible No?

1412
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't think he would want

1413
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: to split pay per viewpoints on anybody else because you

1414
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: would have Jeong why Lee on there as well for

1415
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: a title they're not gonna want to do that. Just

1416
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: in Gai Chee and Max, well he's just in Gachee

1417
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: is going to be entitled to pay per viewpoints, so

1418
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: that's going to take it up. So no, I don't

1419
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't think. Well, obviously that would be for a

1420
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: non title I guess you could do it, but it's

1421
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: still be splitting paper view points because he'd get them

1422
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: no matter what. So anyway you get the idea, it

1423
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 1: would it would mess up his money. I don't think

1424
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: he wants to do it that way. I think what

1425
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: they're I think here's what probably happened. They probably had

1426
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: Blall and Leon and like a placeholder, like we'll pull

1427
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: that card if we need it. I think what they're

1428
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 1: probably gonna do is put Izzy in there in some

1429
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: capacity or another. Is he versus Potata three or five

1430
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: and that or Isy versus DDP, something along those lines.

1431
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: I think they're probably looking for if they can put

1432
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: ballall there, Maybe they do. I doubt it. That would

1433
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: make them ship it somewhere else, but that's probably your

1434
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 1: leading indicator. One more thing quickly.

1435
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 2: About Oh, I was gonna ask you if there's if

1436
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: you think there's money in Strickland versus Adasania too in

1437
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:58,439
Speaker 2: a non title fight.

1438
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know, as a headliner for UFC three hundred.

1439
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the point I want to make.

1440
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: I understand people being like I want three hundred to

1441
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: be special. It's like, okay, well I saw UFC one hundred,

1442
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: and I saw UFC two hundred happen in real time

1443
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: from the planning to the execution, or at least the

1444
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: announcement stage. I mean, I wasn't there in the meetings,

1445
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: but you know, at receiving the news as it was

1446
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: being put together. It happened afterwards, the same kind of thing.

1447
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: I've seen people say things like, oh, it should be

1448
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 1: a once in a decade card. I don't even know

1449
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: what the fuck that means. I don't even think you

1450
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: can build that. Like, in order to build something like that,

1451
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: you would actually have to substantially damage the rest of

1452
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: the product, and even then it might not necessarily deliver.

1453
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: There really is no such a thing as designing a

1454
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 1: card from an engineering standpoint. Hold on, let me at

1455
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: one point.

1456
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I'll give you that room. Yeah you got to, Yeah, yeah.

1457
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out, like when people say something like that,

1458
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: which cards would you identify as being once a decade

1459
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: and what about them made them that way? You're gonna

1460
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: look and see that that kind of of our cup

1461
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: runneth over engineering A is not really necessary. B. Even

1462
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: if you try to do it like UFC two hundred,

1463
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 1: it can fall apart in all kinds of ways, or

1464
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 1: the fights themselves don't necessarily deliver. It's okay to expect

1465
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: maximal quality, but I think what people's understanding of maximal

1466
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: quality is is not legitimately achievable.

1467
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: I disagree because what did we see in twenty sixteen.

1468
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 2: It wasn't just the UFC two hundred card that was

1469
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: loaded initially, and it was I mean, it fricking was.

1470
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 2: I mean they even got Intereress in Silva on like

1471
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 2: a day notice.

1472
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: It was okay, tell me which card, will tell me

1473
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 1: which card was the one you're described so I can

1474
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 1: look it up over here.

1475
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:39,759
Speaker 2: It was not just two hundred. Don't forget that week

1476
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 2: they also had our Da versus Alvarez main eventing a

1477
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: tough finale, and then they also had Joanna versus Quaudia

1478
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: two in a title fight that had a lot of

1479
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 2: interest coming in on a Friday night. So that year

1480
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,560
Speaker 2: they also had UFC two five, which is in discussion

1481
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 2: of the argument of their deepest card in history. So

1482
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: they overloaded that for aesthetics, for the sale and all

1483
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: of that. But huh, they didn't fall apart afterwards, Luke.

1484
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 2: They did overplay their hand in terms of trying to

1485
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 2: load up a bunch of events in a short period.

1486
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is it is attainable to make

1487
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 2: this feel like once in a decade. They're getting close

1488
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 2: to it. How they have it set up right now

1489
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: and hopefully.

1490
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 1: This man I don't know, okay, So on the it's.

1491
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 2: Not achievable, So why try. It's fairy old.

1492
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

1493
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: no no. First of all, I don't know what you're

1494
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 1: describing as generationally important. I was there. I was there

1495
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: in Vegas that week. I actually covered that on the ground.

1496
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: The comaine for Eddie and RDA was Derek Lewis and

1497
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: Roy Nelson, Alan Joe Ban versus Bala Mohammad, and Joseph

1498
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: Duffy versus Mitch Clark. There's nothing generational about any of that,

1499
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: except for the main fact generate that.

1500
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: As a point that's the point you took out of

1501
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: what I just said. I said they had loaded amount

1502
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 2: of big fights that they put them on separate cards.

1503
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Thursday Night card was deep. That

1504
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 2: wasn't the argument. The point was they had so many

1505
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 2: great fights they spread them out. They could put it

1506
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 2: in one night on any any point. They could load

1507
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: up one card for three like you can't.

1508
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: You have to have pay per views on subsequent dates

1509
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: that have to have a requisite amount of quality. You

1510
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: have no idea what commitments they might have to any

1511
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: of their overseas partners. You have no idea what commitments

1512
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: they might have to have regional talent, so they're going

1513
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: to Brazil, they have to have a certain amount of

1514
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: Brazilian talent or any other geographic co location. That way,

1515
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 1: people don't seem to realize you have when you have

1516
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: as much content as the UFC that you have contractually

1517
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 1: obligated for, and it could be on very specific guidelines

1518
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: about what can be there and what can't. This idea

1519
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: that you can just dump everything on one date and

1520
01:10:38,439 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: fuck the rest of the dates. That's not how this

1521
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 1: business works in any capacity whatsoever. Not true. No, the

1522
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make here is I was there

1523
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: on that when they had the three back to back dates,

1524
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: and you're right, it was a grand week, and in fact,

1525
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: by Saturday, I was just done. I was so tired.

1526
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: The whole thing was incredibly exhausting. But I'm trying to

1527
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: point out the next night, after Eddie versus RDA, they

1528
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: had Yo Want and Claudia, which at the time was

1529
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: a great fine, but the make comain of them on

1530
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,160
Speaker 1: that was Andrew Sanchez versus Khalil Rowntree. They had just

1531
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: other fights that were happening, and then following that was

1532
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,120
Speaker 1: UFC two hundred, which they did make a genuine effort

1533
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,839
Speaker 1: at the hold John Jones situation. It was initially supposed

1534
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: to be Connor. It all got jacked up. What I'm

1535
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: trying to point out is when you really think about

1536
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: big time fights, big time moments, they are often very

1537
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 1: stacked cards. That's true, but this idea that the way

1538
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 1: to get to that next level is top to bottom,

1539
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 1: nothing but a class fights like that's the secret sauce.

1540
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: If that were the secret sauce, they would have done

1541
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: it by Now. That actually doesn't meaningly enhance everything, huh.

1542
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 2: I think you can look. I think for a card

1543
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 2: like three hundred, they actually could have gone deeper down

1544
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: down the road of bring back legends or celebrity crossover.

1545
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: Not that I necessarily wanted that to be the draw

1546
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: for the card. No, I want a main event that matters,

1547
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: that is relevant, that you feel like will be historically relevant,

1548
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: Like that's what it should be. But I thought they

1549
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 2: were going to go to more of those outside the

1550
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 2: box in terms of their active roster. Look, even though

1551
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 2: their goal seems to be top to bottom quality which

1552
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 2: is going to be a fun night, I actually think

1553
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 2: they could accomplish the same or more by even just

1554
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 2: focusing on the main card meeting. Meaning you almost have

1555
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: five main event level fights on one card, and then

1556
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: the early prelims and prelims are just average, or maybe

1557
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 2: it's all Dana White Contender series graduates. Whatever the whole

1558
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 2: point is. If you're offering a pay per view, remember

1559
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 2: you're not selling the prelims, right, they're used as a

1560
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 2: commercial for your pay per view. I want them to

1561
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 2: come out on a three hundred level card with five

1562
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: fights that all could main event their own pay per view. Seriously,

1563
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 2: I know that's asking a lot, but you only have

1564
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 2: a three hundred right if you're successful enough to get

1565
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: there once. So that's why I think they can do

1566
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: it at any time. I'm not saying it's easy, but

1567
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: you don't have to have seventeen great fights. You could

1568
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 2: just have five unbelievably great fights and we'd probably never

1569
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 2: forget that night looking back, because I think that's how

1570
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 2: we look at one hundred, right, even though it was deep,

1571
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: you're looking at the main card when you look back

1572
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: at one hundred, right, that's what.

1573
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: You're looking at. The looking at the main three fights

1574
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: lesnar Meir, you're looking at GSP and Thiago Alvez and

1575
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 1: then Dan Henderson versus Michael Bisping. Obviously John Jones fought

1576
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: on that card as well. There were some other notable names.

1577
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: But again this is my point, Like that card, what

1578
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: really matters to that one and what really defined its

1579
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: place in history? Where basically three fights, UFC two hundred

1580
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: is basically two fights. This idea that like top to bottom,

1581
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: we have to rob Peter to pay Paul. And again

1582
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: the argument is not that what UFC three hundred is

1583
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: currently is is not without criticism, or that there could

1584
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 1: be some interesting substitutions or you could play it another

1585
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: way and again without a main event. I mean, that's

1586
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 1: the biggest criticism is who the hell's going to headline

1587
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: this thing? Fair Enough, I'm not saying it's the perfect card,

1588
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: but what you can expect in the UFC for any

1589
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 1: particular big date, and this is a big one certainly,

1590
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 1: is want to you want a high class main event.

1591
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: You want a two to three potentially four if you're

1592
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: really getting greedy, other good fight, like really important big fights,

1593
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: specific items that you want to see that's available on

1594
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: the list, and then the rest just has to kind

1595
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 1: of satisfy a conditional level of quality. You're well on

1596
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: your way to that, like you're well on your way

1597
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: to We're not there, but we're well on our way

1598
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: to that. So I'm not immune to the idea that

1599
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: this one should be substituted, that one should be added

1600
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 1: by the way they added Sadik Yusa versus Diego Lopez,

1601
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,520
Speaker 1: I mean two thumbs up on that one. That one

1602
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: things Huh that's a three Yeah, that's a three hundred, dude,

1603
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: Sadik usaf Diego Lopez. I mean that fight is fucking

1604
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: bonkers awesome. This is what I this is what I mean.

1605
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: Did you need that specific matchup on that specific date.

1606
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 1: Probably not, but it's a really useful one that to

1607
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: me could headline card at the Apex. Maybe not a

1608
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: fight night, but something pretty close to that. So again,

1609
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm open to criticism. I'm not defending every decision UFC

1610
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: has made. It's just a level of hand ringing seems

1611
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: to be like really out of touch with how the

1612
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: business operates, and I guess I just don't understand why

1613
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: there's such a gap there. That's it, I hear you.

1614
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:54,280
Speaker 1: But I'm happy with last thing on three hundred. Yeah,

1615
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty happy with it. Tw Again, let's

1616
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: see what they come up with the headliner, right, let's

1617
01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: see what the headliner is. But BC lasting on this.

1618
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: Did you see the roadhouse trailer featuring UFC Zone, Connor

1619
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,480
Speaker 1: McGregor and uh, chicken and broccoli only no no antabolics

1620
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 1: in this young man, Jake Jillenhall, did you see?

1621
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? And it looked freaking awesome. And all I had

1622
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 2: heard about this film was not going to get a

1623
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: theatrical run, direct to like streaming, direct.

1624
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: To your TV, Yes, direct to your eyeballs. We have

1625
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: the trailer that's take a look.

1626
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: And wants to take the roadhouse away from me.

1627
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: He wants to build some bullshit resort for a bunch

1628
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: of richastles.

1629
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,600
Speaker 2: I should warn you people have a certain way of

1630
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 2: getting things done around here. Hey, fellas, looks like you're

1631
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: having again. I got it for you.

1632
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: Don't let no one get this close, let.

1633
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: Me get threaten me, come in, you get out of town.

1634
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: With the impression that he can't be threaded.

1635
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: When Knox is on the job itself a baby.

1636
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,480
Speaker 4: Takes a lot to get me angry, But when I am,

1637
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 4: I just can't let go.

1638
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 1: People seem a little aggressive around here. It looks Basie

1639
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 1: dumb as hell in all the best ways, does it not?

1640
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 2: It made me. It made me look back with so

1641
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 2: much nostalgia, seriously, and back at a time when Connor

1642
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 2: used to be a freaking badass, right because it reminded you.

1643
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 2: I know it's a different version, and boy is he

1644
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: buff luke, But holy crap, I know, isn't there a

1645
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,839
Speaker 2: controversy involving like the director or writer or somebody's suing

1646
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 2: them because it's.

1647
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: The director is woycotting the premiere? Is my understanding?

1648
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Because he was told it was going to go

1649
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 2: to theaters and it was going to be something different,

1650
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 2: bigger deal. Yeah either way, dude, I actually I actually

1651
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,719
Speaker 2: hope that the trailer makes it look like a better

1652
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,440
Speaker 2: film than it is, because even if it's like annoyingly

1653
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 2: campy b movie, like, it's just gonna be even better.

1654
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,679
Speaker 2: Like I'm down for Connor McGregor going through. Like remember

1655
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 2: when Stone called Steve Austin had all those movies that

1656
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: were direct to video where he was like a janitor,

1657
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 2: like a Billy Blanks type role, and then he'd like,

1658
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 2: you know, kick ass against the inside drug cartel that

1659
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,240
Speaker 2: was trying to take the school time. That sounds like

1660
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 2: the plot to the Substitute, doesn't that, Luke with Tom?

1661
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:36,639
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, this is not one of these movies

1662
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: where you have to be sober to understand the plot points. Yeah,

1663
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Yes, Hey, we could just be you

1664
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: could just do five vodkatonics deep and I think it'd

1665
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: be all right, you know, three margaritas. In my case,

1666
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: are we going to do a.

1667
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 2: Watch along for this in February, Luke? Or that would

1668
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 2: not play well?

1669
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think?

1670
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 2: Uh?

1671
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 1: When does it get released. What's the release date, Mike is.

1672
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: I think it's March, right, I don't even think he

1673
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: gets released.

1674
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 2: Oh, it's probably March. Yeah, all right, so we.

1675
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: Have we'd have to wait a little bit. But yeah,

1676
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: I would love to watch this movie. It looks perfectly terrible.

1677
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. All right. With that

1678
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: in mind, BC, let's quickly wrap on our top five

1679
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: with this. There was a one show in Japan over

1680
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: the weekend in BC. It wasn't a bad show. Listen

1681
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: to what I'm saying. Not a bad show, good show

1682
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 1: I think in general, but definitely a little on the

1683
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: odd side. Okay, so let's recap what happened here At

1684
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: one one sixty five at the Ariaki Arena in Tokyo, Japan,

1685
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: shotstro Boy Ray Flores world's number one has bulla fan,

1686
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: BC's number one more than his parents. No one likes

1687
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 1: has Bulla like reg Ray Flores does. It's unbelievable, but.

1688
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 2: Okay, that's true, a true statement.

1689
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,839
Speaker 1: Yes. So there was a kickboxing main event between superle

1690
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 1: Like and to Caero. I watched this BC. It was

1691
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: a great contest. He wins via decision forty nine to

1692
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: forty six. I think basically across the board there was

1693
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 1: a third round that Takaro really kind of came alive

1694
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: that dude, no, no, no, it was body kind of

1695
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: like body shots. Basically, Takaru spent five rounds getting absolutely

1696
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 1: annihilated in the legs. There's actually a photo that came

1697
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 1: out afterwards flit around social media. I retweeted it the

1698
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: amount of look he looks like, I'm not joking, it

1699
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 1: looks like you riyah fabers legs after his loss to

1700
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: Jose Aldo where he couldn't walk and I had to

1701
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 1: go around in a wheelchair for like a week because

1702
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: he was immobilized. It looks that bad watching it, dude.

1703
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: You know an MMA, you'll watch like MMA fighters take

1704
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 1: like seven leg kicks and then they can't walk anymore. Dude,

1705
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,760
Speaker 1: when I tell you Takaro took like eight thousand, I

1706
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 1: might be under selling it. I could not fucking believe

1707
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: how many leg kicks he took me. So basically what

1708
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: ended up happening was in the third round, he kind

1709
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: of bull rushes through, gets to boxing range to Cao's

1710
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: jab was kind of failing him at that moment, gets

1711
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: his back up against the ropes and then Takaro went

1712
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 1: to the body and had some great combinations, but in

1713
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: the end to Caaro lost out to the jab and

1714
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: then the leg kicking essentially of super like over again.

1715
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: Over the course of the distance, he rallied a little

1716
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: bit more and four than had that nice finish in

1717
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: five easily won the first two rounds. Nothing super controversial there.

1718
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: It was supposed to be rattang in that fight. Takaru

1719
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 1: has to take the superle like fight on short notice,

1720
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: and he performs well in the third, but you just

1721
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,400
Speaker 1: didn't get the result you wanted there, necessarily in the

1722
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: sense that the Japanese fighter wasn't able to shine in

1723
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: his hometown when it had the opportunity to do so.

1724
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,879
Speaker 1: One is trying to make a bigger splash in this market,

1725
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: So then we're gonna talk about the stage north cut

1726
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 1: thing in just a second. But after the event is over.

1727
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 1: By the way, Chachu got pressed by the Japanese media.

1728
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: They asked him about One's finances, and he compared it

1729
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: to like Tesla or Amazon, that this is something that

1730
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: takes an extraordinary amount of scale to make it work,

1731
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,120
Speaker 1: which just means more investment.

1732
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 2: But neither here nor there it's such an arrogant answer,

1733
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: but yeah, I know.

1734
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was basically asked about Japanese talent succeeding in one,

1735
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: and Chachri decided to bury the Japanese in Japan. To

1736
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:57,719
Speaker 1: the Japanese media, roll the clip, Mikey, I think that's.

1737
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 4: The biggest challenge for Japan uh is that, you know,

1738
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,080
Speaker 4: if you look at the last several years, doesn't matter

1739
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 4: which discipline, Japanese fighters come into one and they they

1740
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 4: get crushed. And you know, in order for one Championship

1741
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 4: to truly blow up in Japan and become you know,

1742
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty five million people go crazy, we

1743
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 4: need the show hey Autani moment where the best of

1744
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 4: the best in Japan k one rise risen. You know,

1745
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,800
Speaker 4: there's the best in Japan, but when they come to

1746
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 4: one championship and most of them lose, and so if

1747
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 4: you look at the Japanese record, it's not there's a

1748
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 4: lot of losses in one.

1749
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 2: So that's the big struggle for us.

1750
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 4: You know, we're still in the search of show Otani.

1751
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 4: Of course, I think the Caro still can there's still

1752
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 4: a lot of potential, but that's the biggest challenge.

1753
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: Okay, you know here, here's why I will say in

1754
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: defense of chatre. If you want to know how promoters

1755
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: candidly think, that's how they candidly think, right, Like the

1756
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: responsibility of essentially the the I can only bring you

1757
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: the show. I can only book the fights at the end.

1758
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 1: It's their job to cross over, which and the most

1759
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: framed out way is kind of sort of true. But

1760
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,920
Speaker 1: like just the optics of a BC going to Japan

1761
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:22,080
Speaker 1: bearing the Japanese fighters understanding like they had tension. He

1762
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 1: was a Japanese fighter. They had K one fighters come

1763
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: over and do really well, like Chingi's you know, it's

1764
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 1: not even even what he's saying is not totally true.

1765
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: They were supposed to be a crossover with K one,

1766
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 1: which one kind of backed away from. So like there's

1767
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: there's all of that as well. BC. Are you as

1768
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: shocked as I am. I mean, if you were wondering

1769
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: why they're like several hundred million in the whole, I

1770
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 1: gotta imagine that doesn't happen. Because here's the thing. BC

1771
01:22:43,439 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: people took pictures of who were there in attendance apparently

1772
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: was packed. It was packed. If you watched the broadcast,

1773
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: it was so blacked out you couldn't see. But no,

1774
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: I think they had a sellout in Ariaki.

1775
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:54,760
Speaker 2: It was a big deal.

1776
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 1: Baffling. Baffling baffling shows.

1777
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 2: First of all, my first response is final, I am

1778
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 2: not public and me number one in Japanese mma anymore.

1779
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 2: So we now have we have a new target I

1780
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 2: can pass over. I've been fired from that apprenticeship, Luke,

1781
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:13,919
Speaker 2: but uh, this screams marketing to me, right, this screams

1782
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 2: challenge free agents that he has wanted to potentially come

1783
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: to his promotion, and maybe the best way to get

1784
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 2: them there is to challenge them in a way that

1785
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: could be deemed disrespectful. Does that make sense, because this

1786
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 2: is like If that's the case, this might be like

1787
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 2: a subtle genius play right, Or am I stretch you?

1788
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,759
Speaker 1: How do you? This is so easy? You could be like, listen,

1789
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: we love signing Japanese talent because it adds already to

1790
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: our world class roster. We know that when we signed

1791
01:23:42,040 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 1: top Japanese talent, we know we're bringing in some of

1792
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: the best that the world has to offer. What's great

1793
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: about the one roster is we also have some of

1794
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: the great ties of our generation as well. And putting

1795
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: them together. We feel like is something we uniquely do

1796
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: better than anybody else in the space. And it shows,

1797
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: whether it's our tie, whether it's our Japanese talent, we

1798
01:23:57,920 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: have the best that fight. Fans can want to see.

1799
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: How fucking hard is that? That's like the easiest play

1800
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: on Earth.

1801
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they were saying. Triple Ah should have

1802
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 2: said basically a little rather than nothing, But I don't know.

1803
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: It made me feel like this is strategic that he's

1804
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,599
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, really move into a market and explode,

1805
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 2: and like he's saying, we want our own Otani, we

1806
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 2: want our own Japanese national that we can identify with

1807
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: our brand and connect it and together we'll go to

1808
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 2: the next level. Like it's a recruitment pitch, it's a challenge.

1809
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 2: It was aggressive though, But Luke, did you see Shinya

1810
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 2: Ioki's response not happy, not happy? But before actually and

1811
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 2: that was before Shatri said that, so what what do

1812
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:38,799
Speaker 2: you have that element?

1813
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: Or yes, yes we have Well I don't have the element,

1814
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: but I can tell you exactly where it comes from,

1815
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 1: which leads to the other part of the discussion here,

1816
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:46,599
Speaker 1: which again there were some bright moments on this card,

1817
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: cad Ruotolo had a nice win, Gary Tonan had a

1818
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: nice win. I mean, there were some good parts to it,

1819
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: up and down, and again the main event in general

1820
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: was still pretty fun, even though there was a lot

1821
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: of weirdness surrounding it. But here's the weird part, right,

1822
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: Sage Northcutt was to fight Shanya Alki in what was

1823
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,839
Speaker 1: largely believed to be Alki's probable or at least possible

1824
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: last fight. The problem is, and if you actually watch

1825
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 1: the open workouts from the week, Uriah Faber was with him,

1826
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, holding pads and being the wrestling dummy, and

1827
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: so to speak. My understanding is Japan has, you know,

1828
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: uncompromising immigration laws. They had you have to get a visa,

1829
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: which you can get on demand when you land in Tokyo,

1830
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: but you have to get a work visa. They did

1831
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,519
Speaker 1: not have a work visa, and so the Japanese government

1832
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: told him to get to stepping so he had no

1833
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: fucking cornermen. And this was announced on the prelims that

1834
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,639
Speaker 1: they like they waited till, like, you know, as long

1835
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,679
Speaker 1: as they could before they had to leave the country,

1836
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,679
Speaker 1: and so one tried to get Obviously, some of the talent.

1837
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: I think they had like a world championship. I forget

1838
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: the name of the jiu jitsu guy wanted to get

1839
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: oh ty, Yes, Kaid's brother they wanted to get. They

1840
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: wanted to get Kaid's brother to corner him fucking so

1841
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: Northcutt said no. So then John Lineker, who waited in

1842
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: as an alternati, which I guess one had kind of

1843
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 1: seen the possibility that Uria and co. Would get deported

1844
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: or told to leave anyway, And so in the stands

1845
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: during the prelims, they go get him and tell him

1846
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: to warm up.

1847
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: So then John Linnyt that's bas from John le.

1848
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, dude, that's he could have been one beer,

1849
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 1: two beers deep, I don't know. Anyway, he goes and

1850
01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: gets wrapped up in fight. Shinyaki Alki takes his back

1851
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: and chokes him out because hello, I mean the guy

1852
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 1: was completely unprepared for the moment and.

1853
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 2: The whole thing, you know.

1854
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a weight discrepancy too, Yes, I

1855
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 1: mean there's I mean, remember Shinyaki fought uh Gilbert Melendez, right,

1856
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: and we're talking about guy Lineker who thought at one

1857
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 1: twenty five previously. So there's a big dispar that the

1858
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,000
Speaker 1: whole thing's a fucking mess in the way that it

1859
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 1: went down. BC I kind of applaud one a little

1860
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: bit for like trying to find a way, but it

1861
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: just feels like maybe the best call was to not

1862
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: do it. And Sage north Cut has had the weirdest

1863
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: run in one that I've seen in quite some time.

1864
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,879
Speaker 2: Well, there's more to this, so that cad Rutolo offered

1865
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 2: to make his MMA debut on one hour notice against

1866
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 2: Ioki and one said no. And then also Luke regarding this,

1867
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 2: Ioki's beef seemed to be that he was forced it

1868
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 2: into accepting the Lineker fight. That's what it seems as

1869
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 2: quotes were because he was ripping on Shatri in front

1870
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 2: of the audience and they didn't translate that part. And

1871
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:21,799
Speaker 2: so it looks.

1872
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: So quickly for those Yeah, for those who don't know,

1873
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: if you're actually looking to see what north cuts one

1874
01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: run has been like, he fights Cosmo ale Chandrie, which

1875
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,719
Speaker 1: was a terrible matchup for him, gets his face completely shattered,

1876
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: he gets beaten in twenty nine seconds, that calls out,

1877
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 1: he sits out basically four years, wants to fight Alki,

1878
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: that gets canceled, comes back, has a heel hook in

1879
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 1: thirty nine seconds against Ahmed Mujtabah, and then has this

1880
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 1: fight canceled at the last second when his cornerman are

1881
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: no longer allowed to stay in the country. And then

1882
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: there's pressure on Aki to take the fight. That was weird,

1883
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,799
Speaker 1: and then they had BC. They had a mixed rules

1884
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 1: fight between Nicky Holtskin. They decorated kickboxer, one of my favorites,

1885
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:06,320
Speaker 1: actually taking on Yoshi here Akaiyama, who is, by the way,

1886
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 1: like Bernard Hopkins old I think nearly fifty eight.

1887
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: Point still looks it though still looks.

1888
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: It Chicken and broccoli, I mean chicken and broccoli. If

1889
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: ever there was one BC, it was supposed to be

1890
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: like two rounds striking in one m made. He can't

1891
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: make it out of the first. He gets tuned like

1892
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: a fucking guitar. That one comes to a close as

1893
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: Mikey is pointing out Akiyama was a UFC one hundred

1894
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 1: after a Japanese career. I mean, the whole thing was like, again,

1895
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying bad BC.

1896
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 2: Yo, you you just quickly glossed over the key part.

1897
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 2: Ioki is accusing them of forcing him to take it,

1898
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 2: which led to him do basically, you know, stitched Rand

1899
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 2: was never my friend or whatever. That Danis speech was

1900
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: where he was just like, fuck Shatree and they didn't

1901
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 2: translate it. Luke and the crowd like shrieked the Japanese.

1902
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:00,879
Speaker 1: Okaiyama or Alki no aoki.

1903
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 2: This is the hook of the story. That's why he went.

1904
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 1: On a Yes, they wouldn't translate, and they wouldn't translate, so.

1905
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 2: Like accusing Chatri not just of being negative towards the

1906
01:29:11,160 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 2: Japanese fighters Luke, which came after that, was not really

1907
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 2: what this was about. It seems like they just like

1908
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 2: were like, no, you're fighting no matter what. So I

1909
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 2: wonder what they would have said if he pulled out,

1910
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: did they would they have taken us purse everything?

1911
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: Probably right, Yeah, he wouldn't have gotten paid. I guess

1912
01:29:26,240 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 1: this was this was kind of it. These guys really

1913
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 1: don't have any insurance anyway. Ma Marok Grigoryan beat Cidachai

1914
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 1: as well. On the card. Again, there were some there

1915
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 1: were some bright spots, but we're just sort of seeing

1916
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 1: like one's entrance into Japan. I'm like, if this is

1917
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: a market you're trying to win over. I wonder if

1918
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 1: there were some different choices that could have been made,

1919
01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know.

1920
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 2: But dude, what shatri is pro wrestling style. Let's get

1921
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,840
Speaker 2: some heat on this territory so that when we come back,

1922
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 2: they're going to be buying tickets to want to see us,

1923
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,799
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, you know, he's hoping

1924
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 2: that somebody stands up and is like, you've insulted my honor.

1925
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 2: F this, I'm coming on your show to kick your ass, Luke.

1926
01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 2: That's what he's hoping. Okay, I don't know if pro

1927
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 2: wrestling bits work Japanese. I'll welcome that culture though, Luke there.

1928
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 2: I mean the way that they the way that they

1929
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 2: tell stories in Japanese wrestling, Luke, is way better than

1930
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 2: what they do in the States, you know what I mean,

1931
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 2: way better.

1932
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, they try, that's the difference. They try. It tends

1933
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: to be the issue, you know what I mean. It's

1934
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: like how Saudi Arabia does it. It's like effort to it. Yeah,

1935
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 1: all right, But see with that in mind, that's our

1936
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: top five here for the day. That now takes us

1937
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: to our favorite segment of a donkey achieving climax. Unfortunately

1938
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: the audio of it, it's from Donks.

1939
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just so disgusting. It reminds me of

1940
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 2: that video with the horse that everybody was playing in

1941
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 2: the nineties. You know that video.

1942
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm talking no I do and I'm not. I'm not,

1943
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: I didn't, I wasn't friends with your friends. But yeah,

1944
01:30:58,439 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: from from khan Man and that's funny. Con Man eighty

1945
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: eight BC and Luke's love chat last or is that

1946
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: he said I fucking love Indian food. Isn't it common

1947
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 1: for people to love Indian food from their motherland?

1948
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 4: I e.

1949
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,960
Speaker 1: You love gas station hot dogs? What the question is this?

1950
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 2: He's basically saying, I come from an area where hot

1951
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 2: dog is culture and it is Luke. Have you ever

1952
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 2: had al'e hot dogs and nog? It's a Connecticut it's

1953
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 2: a you know, it's a world waringund landmark. So since

1954
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 2: you come from India, Luke, it would make sense that

1955
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 2: you fucking love Indian food.

1956
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: Indian food that stands out as that's delicious, you know

1957
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't think you have to get

1958
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 1: from India to notice that.

1959
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 2: Out of nowhere, it'll it'll cripple you. It's crippling hot

1960
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 2: when you go too far.

1961
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: You're a little bit uh, not tough enough with heat,

1962
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: is my read on you, if I can be honest.

1963
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit shouldering in intense emotional pain. Mod

1964
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 2: that's really my skill in life for.

1965
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna say as well, by the way, we're

1966
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: talking about slim gym pulling out from wwe have you

1967
01:32:01,160 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 1: ever read someone did this to me one time? So

1968
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 1: now I'm going to pass it on. Have you actually

1969
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: ever read the ingredients in a slim gym?

1970
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 2: No?

1971
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,799
Speaker 1: No, no, no, the number one ingredient, the number one ingredient.

1972
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,719
Speaker 1: And I'm not making this up. Mechanically separated chicken parts.

1973
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 1: That's number one, mechanically separated chicken parts. So enjoy that.

1974
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what I had at the Big e

1975
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 2: Ones Luke, the Big New England State Fair in Massachusetts.

1976
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 2: Slim gyms dipped in chocolate like chocolate covered slim gyms.

1977
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 1: Slim Jim's.

1978
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:40,679
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it sounds it sounds like like remember

1979
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 2: remember when Tyrone Woodley was going hanmd Luke in that video.

1980
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 2: It kind of sounds like that. But it is, it is,

1981
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,719
Speaker 2: It is an experience. It is it is a gourmet experience.

1982
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 2: Your body goes through so many changes over the next

1983
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 2: five minutes. Luke, you know what I mean that combination?

1984
01:32:56,760 --> 01:32:58,800
Speaker 1: Would you eat that the same way? Tyron Woodley ate

1985
01:32:58,840 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: what he was eating?

1986
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, that is Mikey says, gross as ship. But

1987
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,519
Speaker 2: the biggie is awesome. He's right, it is awesome. I

1988
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 2: mean so, but like, so are all great state fairs? Right, Like,

1989
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 2: that's what I mean.

1990
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Also, I mean state state fair food is just ship

1991
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: that's fried and then sugar splashed on it. That's really yeah,

1992
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 1: all right from Junior Young twelve whole lot.

1993
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 2: Mike he once had a bacon cheeseburger with two glazed

1994
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:25,519
Speaker 2: donuts as buns. That's the ship that happens at the

1995
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:27,800
Speaker 2: big Oh my god. Or you end up buying a

1996
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 2: salad shooter because some guy gave like this performance of

1997
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:31,880
Speaker 2: a lifetime to sell it.

1998
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 1: They do They performed amputations for the diabetics on the

1999
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: way out.

2000
01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 2: No, they don't, they don't.

2001
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: They don't know.

2002
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 2: No, I like to go down the slide with like that,

2003
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 2: with that like potato bag under you know what I'm

2004
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 2: talking about.

2005
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 1: I've never done that. I always say this though, the

2006
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 1: people who like go to Renaissance festivals and are like, oh,

2007
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: I've got a big thing of turkey. You're a fucking moron,

2008
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: all right.

2009
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot more. There's much more to

2010
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 2: hate about Renaissance fairs than the giant turkey, Like, Luke,

2011
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 2: O get us.

2012
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: Kind of the Porta John's at the Renaissance Festival, you

2013
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,960
Speaker 1: will see the cover of a Cannibal Corpse album if

2014
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 1: you look down in there. I mean, it's it's a

2015
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 1: different show. But I was just gonna say, like, there's

2016
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 1: nothing delicious about this, like the curly fries or whatever.

2017
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I can get down with that. Maybe there's

2018
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: other things in there, but the turkey leg is like

2019
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: the biggest scam on earth. I want something delicious, not

2020
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: a giant chunk of meat that's not that awesome, you

2021
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:22,320
Speaker 1: fucking you know what's.

2022
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 2: Delicious from your home, Luke, Your homeland is the rice

2023
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 2: pudding at the Indian buffets. That's really good.

2024
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: Really, you know, when I think about true Indian food,

2025
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,880
Speaker 1: I think about buffets. That's really that's the height of

2026
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 1: Indian No.

2027
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 2: No, they have where I live. Look, they've got some

2028
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 2: elite Indian food where they also have a buffet in there,

2029
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 2: so like, don't let the buffet part about it lower

2030
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 2: your standards because luke I live in a in a

2031
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 2: snobby area. Remember that. All right?

2032
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: You know what's kind of funny if you liked I mean,

2033
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 1: they're different, But I was gonna say, like, if you

2034
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,560
Speaker 1: don't like spicy food, but you want that, like you

2035
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:54,360
Speaker 1: know that they're different, but I would point out you

2036
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:56,960
Speaker 1: should try Persian food. Persian food is not spicy at all.

2037
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:59,920
Speaker 1: It's not like, it's not like Indian food in that sense.

2038
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: It's not like Arabic food in that sense. It's it's

2039
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 1: very very mild, relatively speaking, and very delicious. Also, they

2040
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,639
Speaker 1: do this, they do this bit where they when they

2041
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: make the rice, they burn the bottom of it and

2042
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 1: it becomes like this rice cake because the outside has

2043
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 1: been like you know, sealed. Whatever. It's awesome. All right.

2044
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 2: I had Afghan food once. Look it was pretty damn good.

2045
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, all right? From Junior Young twenty two,

2046
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,120
Speaker 1: would you FC three hundred break one million pay per views?

2047
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: As of right now, it has no main event, no

2048
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: chance it would break a million, but.

2049
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 2: It can tell like because pay per views aren't sold

2050
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,759
Speaker 2: on depth, and that's that's actually a reason why boxing

2051
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 2: pay per views continued to decline in quality for most

2052
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:39,600
Speaker 2: of the last ten to fifteen years, because promoters like

2053
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 2: Bob Aaron will tell you, we don't sell a single

2054
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:46,160
Speaker 2: additional pay per view if we have a good cult break. Yeah, yeah,

2055
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 2: like they say that. You know, I mean what we saw,

2056
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 2: Luke in that Floyd Mayweather versus Canelo Alvarez fight in

2057
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen that we happened to meet in person for

2058
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 2: the first time, and that sold at the time two

2059
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:58,719
Speaker 2: point two million pay per view bys was second all time.

2060
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 2: That was a monstrous super fight that they also through

2061
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:07,640
Speaker 2: Floyd's decision making because he had this say in this

2062
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 2: He wanted Danny Garcia versus Lucas Matisse, which was, you know,

2063
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,440
Speaker 2: the best boxing paper of view comaine we've had in decades.

2064
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 2: He wanted it on there in the hopes that this

2065
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 2: fight would overtake the fight that he did with De

2066
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 2: la Hoya, so he could be could seen as sort

2067
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,600
Speaker 2: of the number one draw in boxing history. So that

2068
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 2: was his choice, and they you know, they sold a lot,

2069
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 2: but you've gotta have That's why I'm really hoping they

2070
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:33,640
Speaker 2: do come out with the main event that that not

2071
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 2: that we didn't see coming, because I think we've eliminated

2072
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 2: all possibilities to this point. But something that has either

2073
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 2: buzz and that would be like DDP versus out of

2074
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 2: Sonia would have like some some thick buzz to it, right,

2075
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:50,839
Speaker 2: or just a big name, a really big name that

2076
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 2: that you gotta have one really big name that the

2077
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,759
Speaker 2: casuals get up for Luke. We're running out of options,

2078
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 2: I know that, but come on, you gotta you gotta

2079
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 2: appeal to the casuals too, you do if you want

2080
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 2: to have block.

2081
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 1: Casuals are the biggest audience that you have. That's the

2082
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 1: biggest One's where most money comes from.

2083
01:37:07,479 --> 01:37:09,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how you sell a million. And I know

2084
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 2: people are like, stop making GSP fight. He's forty two, okay.

2085
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:14,720
Speaker 2: First of all, he's in the best shape of any

2086
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,240
Speaker 2: forty two year old of all time right now, probably

2087
01:37:17,479 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 2: five rounds tomorrow, okay. But again, that's how you sell block.

2088
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 1: We sat with him at the Jake Paul Which one

2089
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 1: was that? What was the one in Arizona? Was that

2090
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: Jake Paul and Anderson? Yeah, we sat with GSP. He

2091
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: was in phenomenal shape then phenomenal.

2092
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves cold plunges. Luke loves it, loves that.

2093
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: I know, it's like everyone who cold plunges like, I'm

2094
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: happy for you. You know, I don't deny that it could

2095
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 1: be good for you. I just want you to know, sir,

2096
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 1: this is a Wendy's and nobody gives a fuck.

2097
01:37:45,479 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, Mikey has a that there's gonna be a

2098
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 2: wild cold plunge coming up, and have you seen this shit?

2099
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 1: So get ready, Luke, Okay, hopefully somebody drowns. I'm losing

2100
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: the auto focus today. That's little bit interesting, all right?

2101
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: From strike Dot MX. Sure false PC Amanda assuming what

2102
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,759
Speaker 1: he means Anunez comes out of retirement to fight Kayla

2103
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 1: before the end of twenty twenty four, What do you say?

2104
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: True or false?

2105
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 2: That would be awesome And I wonder. Okay, so the

2106
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,599
Speaker 2: answer the question true, I'm gonna go true. I'm gonna

2107
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 2: go true because if Amanda's gonna come back, I believe

2108
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 2: it would be sooner rather than like, let's wait two

2109
01:38:21,160 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 2: and a half years, it'd be a lot harder to

2110
01:38:23,160 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 2: restart the engine. Then I think she's still obviously close enough,

2111
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 2: meaning that she hasn't even hit a year to the

2112
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 2: retirement point that she's still there physically and mentally if

2113
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:37,240
Speaker 2: she needs to. The key here is if Harrison comes

2114
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 2: in and looks great at thirty five and then wins

2115
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 2: the championship. Okay, maybe it wouldn't happen this year just

2116
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 2: due to time in terms of how many months it

2117
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,800
Speaker 2: takes to set up these fights, but that could get

2118
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 2: Amanda back. But I wonder if my other plan I

2119
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 2: said earlier gets Amanda back quicker, and that is if

2120
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 2: Cayla made the thirty five. But they all figured it

2121
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 2: out and decided, hey, it's not it's not makeable every time.

2122
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 2: Let's bring you back at four forty five because that

2123
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 2: would be easier on Amanda coming back even though it's

2124
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 2: been less than a year. And uh, I think that

2125
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 2: that is that's that's business, Luke. I know people say

2126
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 2: Kalo's never really panned out on the star level to

2127
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 2: equal the critical respect people have for her as an

2128
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 2: overall combat sports athlete. But for that type of fight,

2129
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 2: it would that'd be a that'd be a big fight.

2130
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm not saying a million paper guys, but that'd be

2131
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:25,880
Speaker 2: a big fight. You can that's a that's a pay

2132
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 2: per view main event. That's a big ass fight right there, or.

2133
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 1: At a bare minimum. I mean, there's no worse than comine,

2134
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 1: depending on how big the main event is. But yeah,

2135
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: that would be, Yeah, the greatest female fighter of all

2136
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 1: time coming back for a bit of a grudge match

2137
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:41,559
Speaker 1: against the two times Olympian. Yeah, that's big. Yeah, that's big,

2138
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: all right, b C. Question number four, it's not cage fighting,

2139
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 1: asks uh, okay, who is the most underrated female fighter

2140
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 1: of all time? If you want to give me a boxer,

2141
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: you could as well. We see, do you want me

2142
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: to answer this one?

2143
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 2: Okay? As you're gonna say, Majuli Fumi Luke.

2144
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Majumie Fumi. That's exactly I was that one, Maguomi Fujie.

2145
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: She was the first, like truly dominant female figure who

2146
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 1: like I would say, transcended weight class but had to

2147
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: fight a lot uh in ways that were disadvantageous by

2148
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,280
Speaker 1: the time she got to bellator late in her career.

2149
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: You know, she obviously she's got tripped up a little bit,

2150
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: but was a really very important figure early in MMA's history,

2151
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:27,519
Speaker 1: just before I would say post tough boom. For part

2152
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 1: of it, but not so much in the way. But

2153
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: North American women's MMA was just really behind Japanese and

2154
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 1: women's MMA at the time. So there that's where the

2155
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: scene really was dominated. That's why you had, like you

2156
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 1: look at like Roxanne Motaferri's resume, she's got a big

2157
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: chunk of her career, and she obviously had a job

2158
01:40:42,479 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: there at that time as well, teaching English. But it

2159
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 1: was in Japan. You had to go to Japan long

2160
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: after the men for a time had to go to

2161
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,759
Speaker 1: Japan too when Pride was the center of the universe.

2162
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: But even when Pride died off, it still was the

2163
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 1: case after that that a lot of the women's game

2164
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 1: retained relevancy, more so in Japan. That has shifted now

2165
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,680
Speaker 1: since back to the States or other places. But she

2166
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:05,719
Speaker 1: was the leading figure of that time. You could maybe

2167
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 1: throw an honorable mention again for Aaron Towhill as where

2168
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 1: as well in there she was kind of a big

2169
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 1: figure that just never quite got the big fight that

2170
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:17,679
Speaker 1: she needed to. Who is the other one? The one, yeah, boxing,

2171
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: there's another one she got. She had a politically charged

2172
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 1: kind of recent past. I forget her name. God, So

2173
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 1: that's it's deeply depressing that I cannot recall that offhand,

2174
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 1: but I can recall the fact she had some kind

2175
01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 1: of political battle. Let me see. Hold on, I will

2176
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 1: tell you who it is if I may bee see

2177
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:37,600
Speaker 1: anyone you want to add. On the boxing side.

2178
01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 2: I mean, we're finally seeing some of these I mean,

2179
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,640
Speaker 2: with the with the opening of women being allowed in

2180
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 2: the International Boxing Hall of Fame, we're finally seeing people

2181
01:41:46,640 --> 01:41:49,719
Speaker 2: get recognized in big ways, and those sort of core

2182
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 2: names that were considered all time greats finally getting that

2183
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:57,679
Speaker 2: final push. Certainly there's some underrated ones in between. None

2184
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,560
Speaker 2: that's necessarily. I mean, it's hard to say Wolf was

2185
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 2: underrated Luke because people respect her so much for being

2186
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:06,719
Speaker 2: maybe the hardest puncher of all time. But I feel

2187
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 2: for her legacy never getting the chance to fight Leaila Ali,

2188
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 2: and she blames Layla for that, and I wonder if

2189
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,439
Speaker 2: that would that would have held back and well from

2190
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 2: even having potentially a larger hold on sort of that

2191
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 2: idea of who's the you know, the pound four pound

2192
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 2: best female of all time, which we're lucky right now.

2193
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 2: If you are a women's boxing fan that fighters like

2194
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 2: Cloressa Shields and Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano all are

2195
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:31,880
Speaker 2: also in this discussion, So that's that's great to see

2196
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 2: that type of evolution right there. But I was trying

2197
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 2: to think of other other female fighters, and I.

2198
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 1: Guess Tara Lerosa would be the other name you would

2199
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 1: throw in there. Tara l Rosa. She had gone to

2200
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 1: eighteen and one before losing to Mata Faery, although she

2201
01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 1: had I think she had previously. I think she had

2202
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 1: previously beaten her. Yeah, she had, but she had She

2203
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 1: went undefeated in bowdog fight, which for a time had

2204
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 1: some relevancy if you were watching as she ended her

2205
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: career twenty two and five with wins over some big

2206
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 1: names Alexis Davis, Shana bays Lergulie Kensley, Julie Kez excuse me,

2207
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 1: toomy Akano, Roxannemotiferia, Magumi Yabushita. These were all sort of

2208
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: big names and relevant names for their era. So she

2209
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: was very decorated and quite good as well. Yeah, all right,

2210
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:16,479
Speaker 1: last but not least, uh BC from New Year's Eve Oakley,

2211
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what NYE stands for Top three Martial

2212
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 1: arts movies, ever, what do you say? BC's like pornographic.

2213
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:31,720
Speaker 2: Or not do they make those look I don't know,

2214
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 2: I mean, are you are you going to welcome in

2215
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,759
Speaker 2: the cheese? Like, like, what what's the true definition movies

2216
01:43:38,760 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 2: that have legitimate martial arts competitions?

2217
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,559
Speaker 1: I would say that I would say I would say

2218
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:47,160
Speaker 1: that they can also be action movies, but they can't

2219
01:43:47,160 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: be action movies just by themselves without a significant martial

2220
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:55,719
Speaker 1: arts component. So, for example, you could potentially put Karate

2221
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 1: Kid if you wanted to, in there. I think Enter

2222
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:01,439
Speaker 1: the Dragon has to be in there. Well, Sport blood

2223
01:44:01,439 --> 01:44:03,640
Speaker 1: Sport is probably going to be on that list. I

2224
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,640
Speaker 1: think you could maybe you get the question is do

2225
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 1: you throw in John Wick? Right? So John Wick not

2226
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,360
Speaker 1: expressly martial arts, but the martial arts is so high

2227
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 1: level it's such a key part of it. You could

2228
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: potentially throw in anything from Jackie Chan's career, Rumble in

2229
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,240
Speaker 1: the Bronx, or other ones that might go on that list.

2230
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 1: What about Kickboxer Luke Kickboxer? Would you put would you

2231
01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:27,840
Speaker 1: put two Jean Claude van dam fights on a three

2232
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: fight list our three movie.

2233
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 2: List because he he did merge the two worlds, meaning,

2234
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:37,599
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like ridiculous fun eighties b action

2235
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:42,439
Speaker 2: movie with legitimate martial arts critical reputation to some degree,

2236
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:44,200
Speaker 2: even though a lot of people hated him Luke, and

2237
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:49,080
Speaker 2: I've always tipped him out of that Schwarzenegger stallone Segal

2238
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:52,840
Speaker 2: pantheon because he annoys me. But he did have a

2239
01:44:52,920 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 2: wrong Luke even when he was already a cheesy character

2240
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:56,639
Speaker 2: of himself.

2241
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: He's still see I think I think Steven Sagal and

2242
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,640
Speaker 1: all his movies largely suck ass. I don't think he

2243
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 1: belongs on this list. Chuck Norris has a couple of bangers,

2244
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:08,680
Speaker 1: but it's not good enough to be No, no, no no.

2245
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:10,759
Speaker 1: Chuck Norris has a couple of bangers, but not worthy

2246
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 1: of being on this list. Schartz Nigger doesn't qualify because

2247
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,160
Speaker 1: it's not really martial arts. So I'm going to say,

2248
01:45:15,160 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: here are the three ones that stand out to me.

2249
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: Enter the Dragon would have to be on that list.

2250
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 1: I think you can put blood Sport on there, and

2251
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 1: then I would add for this is a personal favorite, right, No,

2252
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm not making a grand claim about cinema personal favorite.

2253
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to put The Raid on there. I'll put

2254
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 1: the Raid.

2255
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 2: I bet you a lot of people die in that movie.

2256
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 1: Luke a lot and they die quite gruesomely. Yeah, they

2257
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 1: get they get quite killed to it.

2258
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:41,040
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, yeah, you're not going to put Warrior even

2259
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:43,519
Speaker 2: in the conversation or what people do love that movie?

2260
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, donks, donks love that movie.

2261
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 2: That's right. Can I put here comes the Boom in there?

2262
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 2: Because that movie is really underrated? Dude, that movie kind

2263
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 2: of bangs. Man. Who's that fighter that who's the main

2264
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 2: villain that Stephan Bonner beat at one sixteen Shashinsky?

2265
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 1: Right, Christophe Yes, Christolph Shosinski.

2266
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy's pretty badass as the final boss in

2267
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 2: that game.

2268
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 1: Luke, he has had real bad problems with with CTE.

2269
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, I would doubt it. Mikey's saying

2270
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:15,720
Speaker 2: that the people in the chat, within the misogyny and

2271
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 2: racism that normally floods that area say never back Down,

2272
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:20,599
Speaker 2: needs to be in this discussion, right.

2273
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 1: I've never seen it and I'm never going to, and

2274
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 1: I feel confident excluding it from this list in any

2275
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:25,599
Speaker 1: way at all.

2276
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 2: But you know what I won't put on here is

2277
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,400
Speaker 2: the next Karate Kid with Hillary Sway, because I don't

2278
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 2: consider that part of the part of the package.

2279
01:46:34,280 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 1: No, I don't either. The only two Karate Kids. You

2280
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:38,800
Speaker 1: can counter one and two, Karate Kid three and all

2281
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:45,080
Speaker 1: that ship after that. Nah, I'm not with it.

2282
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 2: Is prime cheese. But you can't disagree. You can't dismiss three. Okay,

2283
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 2: you can dismiss Jaden Smith. What do you think, by

2284
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,040
Speaker 2: the way, about the new Karate Kid that's coming out

2285
01:46:51,080 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 2: that is going to merge Ralph Macchio with Who is

2286
01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 2: it with with Jackie Chan? Is it Luke?

2287
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jackie Chan's kid? Yeah, yeah, or so jack or

2288
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. Jackie Chan's kid went to William and

2289
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 1: Mary while I was there. He had a really nice

2290
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:08,680
Speaker 1: car that was kind of interesting. But there's some.

2291
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 2: Merging of the Jaden Smith movie with Ralph Macchio lineage

2292
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,040
Speaker 2: in the movie and Mikey's saying that his childhood friend

2293
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:19,040
Speaker 2: Alex his uncle is Ralph Macchio. So Luke shout out

2294
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:25,120
Speaker 2: to Alex right at Jersey. Yeah, come on, come on.

2295
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm teasing. We can't tease on MK anymore. Oh any

2296
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: free speech, free fucking speech up in this bitch. All right,

2297
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 1: that's it for our top five. I am told that

2298
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 1: there is an absolutely insane batch of BC's feces. Let's

2299
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:40,919
Speaker 1: see what you got.

2300
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 2: I didn't think this was overly great this batch, but

2301
01:47:43,640 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 2: it was like a holdover to the next generation. When

2302
01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:49,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna bring it, Luke, I'm gonna put the whole no,

2303
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 2: I will. I scoured the internet, Luke for the good,

2304
01:47:51,960 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 2: the bad, the ugly, the highs Losi in between the

2305
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:56,880
Speaker 2: combat sports and beyond. Mikey had a had an X

2306
01:47:57,000 --> 01:47:58,760
Speaker 2: and A on at least one of them, Luke, because

2307
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,400
Speaker 2: we want to stay and play Lloyd. But this one's

2308
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 2: called Yeah, Luke, let me introduce you, uh to Dracus Dupless,

2309
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 2: the fourth African champion in UFC history, and when he

2310
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 2: came home. Well, first of all, this was postfight at

2311
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,600
Speaker 2: the bar with the black eyes. Do he just destroyed

2312
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 2: that guy straight up right there. And then we get

2313
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 2: a little shirtless DDP on his way to superhero start

2314
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:36,519
Speaker 2: him here. I mean, look at those eyes, Luke.

2315
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's this is what I did in college. I

2316
01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 1: mean more or less, uh.

2317
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean, to the victor goes the spoil, the shirtless spoils, Luke.

2318
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 2: But here's what I'm really talking about, because you know

2319
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:50,240
Speaker 2: I popped for this. This is when he got off

2320
01:48:50,280 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 2: the plane in South Africa.

2321
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Luke hold on you just you just glitched in and

2322
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:57,680
Speaker 1: out there you are right now, go ahead, Okay.

2323
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 2: This is what I get fired up for. Luke the

2324
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:02,920
Speaker 2: whole coming at the airport in South Africa. Did you

2325
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 2: see this turnout? Look at that?

2326
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: Let's see it.

2327
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of a king.

2328
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:12,280
Speaker 1: Moment, right yep? Look at this.

2329
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:15,120
Speaker 2: I mean this guy does he does act the part

2330
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 2: of super Luke and now.

2331
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:21,760
Speaker 1: Like he is happy to accept the adulation and represent

2332
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

2333
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 2: Sure? Sure. Also at this event, he was shown by

2334
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:30,719
Speaker 2: a fan a tattoo of himself on the fan's leg

2335
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 2: and asked to autograph above it. Luke, I know, I

2336
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 2: think you've made it when a donk puts your picture

2337
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 2: on his body for life.

2338
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,640
Speaker 1: Okay, why does he have the world's worst signature? What

2339
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:42,080
Speaker 1: is that?

2340
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I would just write DDP

2341
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:49,599
Speaker 2: and then draw diamond or maybe that's copyright already from

2342
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 2: uh the Okay, Luke, check out this cool trick from

2343
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:58,040
Speaker 2: this skateboarder dressed in black.

2344
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna kill some kids. Oh, I'm telling you, bro,

2345
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you kids get hurt all the time. Ah yeah, nice,

2346
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:14,520
Speaker 1: nice helmet, bitch. Here's one to the Bills.

2347
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:17,639
Speaker 2: This guy's all Allie air when that kid will never

2348
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:19,640
Speaker 2: have Yeah, there you go. Okay, let's go to the

2349
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 2: next one. Luke, Bill's Mafia getting way too much attention lately.

2350
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 2: Watch them send a Detroit Lions fan to hell through

2351
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:30,200
Speaker 2: this table. Can we get a Luke play by play hare?

2352
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean just look at these motherfuckers. All of

2353
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 1: them have their cars repossessed, every one of them. Yeah,

2354
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: why don't you sit down instead of hitting your ass?

2355
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 1: Why don't you sit down? It's called science fat soo.

2356
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 2: Hot pant.

2357
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, these guys just setting themselves on fire

2358
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:49,599
Speaker 1: and like putting their balls in bear traps, and everyone's like, yeah,

2359
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:52,519
Speaker 1: Bill's Mafia rules. I'm like, yeah, keep getting paralyzed, keep

2360
01:50:52,520 --> 01:50:54,920
Speaker 1: getting paralyzed. Great, great bit you got going.

2361
01:50:55,439 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 2: Why don't you do some mm A sparring in the

2362
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,000
Speaker 2: middle of traffic like our next guest, Luke, Here's poets.

2363
01:51:00,280 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 2: Then glow for the best the best? Uh you know, man,

2364
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 2: love affair we got going on in the sport right now.

2365
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 2: I don't know where this is. That might be dan

2366
01:51:08,720 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 2: Berry for all I know, Luke, but they're just out

2367
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:13,240
Speaker 2: here like living. Look at this I mean, you know

2368
01:51:13,400 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 2: these guys are cool. This.

2369
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, if I was in this town

2370
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:19,240
Speaker 1: and I saw this in the crosswalk, I wouldn'tn't know

2371
01:51:19,320 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: what to think. I wouldn't intervene. I'll tell you that much.

2372
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 2: Look, what do you think about Merle? You know there's

2373
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about Murle lately. Who Poton's ex girlfriend?

2374
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:31,840
Speaker 2: They found out she was married, and you don't want

2375
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:32,600
Speaker 2: to talk about this.

2376
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't got Yeah. Once again, guys, I don't give

2377
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 1: a fuck about their private lives at all. All right.

2378
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,320
Speaker 2: I didn't know if you were a team Murle or not.

2379
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 1: Right there?

2380
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, let's check in on the whites. Okay,

2381
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

2382
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 1: How they doing? They're doing all right? Oh buddy, nice shoes.

2383
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:54,679
Speaker 1: Fucking I want don't you go reproduce? Bitch? Wow, let's

2384
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 1: see this one more time. Yeah, well look at this

2385
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:58,640
Speaker 1: sick grip strength from the trench coat mafia. I go

2386
01:51:58,760 --> 01:51:59,560
Speaker 1: fuck yourself.

2387
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 2: Okay, that was aggressive. Look, let's let's go out to

2388
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 2: a crowd fight. I think this is a concert. I

2389
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:07,679
Speaker 2: can't figure it out, but watch the wild ending here.

2390
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:10,160
Speaker 2: Can you see there's a man in grey giving the

2391
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:11,479
Speaker 2: boots to somebody there.

2392
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody's getting kicked. Somebody's getting kicked.

2393
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 2: But watch out for Spider Man.

2394
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 1: What's happening?

2395
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:31,360
Speaker 2: I swear? There he comes. Damn Luke, just a superhero

2396
01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:32,639
Speaker 2: and street clothes right there?

2397
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 1: Right? What are they fighting over? You know? I bet

2398
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:36,240
Speaker 1: it's stupid. I bet it's dumb.

2399
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 2: Probably a BBL luke maybe right?

2400
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 1: Well, in that case, fight on good, good gentlemen.

2401
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:46,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, fight forever, all right. Look the state of MMA

2402
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:50,759
Speaker 2: journalism summed up in one clip. Here's sugar Sean o'mellley.

2403
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 1: Would you ever ever three someone like afore something like

2404
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 1: two girls and me and you? Yeah?

2405
01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 2: I love good for back.

2406
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:58,880
Speaker 1: I've never had one with I've never had and I

2407
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 1: really want to experience it, Bro, I mean you know,

2408
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 1: and we just swapped. Oh my god, have you ever

2409
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:09,320
Speaker 1: had a little three banger? No, not a three banger,

2410
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 1: only a one on one? You know, Dang, you're missing out, budd,

2411
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:14,720
Speaker 1: Damn me and you we would be putting in work

2412
01:53:14,760 --> 01:53:16,400
Speaker 1: together like we like dap each other up while be

2413
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 1: nutt and ship like Bro.

2414
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:19,800
Speaker 2: That would be hard. Yeah, that would be great.

2415
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:25,600
Speaker 1: Is that a make a wish? Kid? Who is that?

2416
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:28,880
Speaker 2: Oh? Come on. You don't mean that. That's that dude

2417
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:32,240
Speaker 2: who who was supposed to get a cage side credential,

2418
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 2: and then he threatened Trump on the internet and Dana

2419
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:36,799
Speaker 2: went off on him at that press.

2420
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 1: Can you imagine interviewing someone and then and then being like, yeah,

2421
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna fist bang while we well, uh

2422
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 1: while we while we uh while we reached climax at

2423
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:48,599
Speaker 1: a simultaneous you know.

2424
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 2: I mean, Sean O'Malley was holding a child during that too.

2425
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's like this, uh yeah, Mma is gross,

2426
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:58,559
Speaker 1: miserable gross wow.

2427
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:03,559
Speaker 2: Okay, uh. This was supposed to be your offensive pink

2428
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 2: jacket of the week, Luke, but apparently it was too offensive.

2429
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,600
Speaker 2: So let's stay employed. So Mikey gets to pick his

2430
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:14,000
Speaker 2: own wild card clip. This is a Mikey special, right, Yeah,

2431
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, Mikey. What are you doing?

2432
01:54:24,520 --> 01:54:28,560
Speaker 1: What is that, Mikey. Mikey's like, all right for my

2433
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:30,840
Speaker 1: wild card clip, I just picked guys getting murdered.

2434
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 2: It's like, what the fun dude, that's a soul brother Okay, yeah,

2435
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:39,959
Speaker 2: Ken in the head.

2436
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 1: Like the other girl is like a like a member

2437
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:44,240
Speaker 1: of like a mafia enforcer team.

2438
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:48,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we cannot show white people's asses with

2439
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,920
Speaker 2: firecrackers sticking out anymore. We just can't do it.

2440
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:53,520
Speaker 1: But just getting bludgeoned in the skull, that's all.

2441
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay. Uh. On that note, Luke uh, the fighter

2442
01:54:58,120 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 2: formerly known as Davante tanked now uh. A lot of

2443
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:03,680
Speaker 2: people are just casually calling him wha he'd now Louke,

2444
01:55:03,720 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 2: which is which is his new adopted name.

2445
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 1: He did convert to Islam, did he not?

2446
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 2: I believe he did. Yeah, so I'm here to respect

2447
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 2: that he ran into P Diddy, But P didd he

2448
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:19,320
Speaker 2: got a little handsy here. Look you see this. I

2449
01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 2: mean he's picking him up like he's a baby, lifted

2450
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 2: him off his feet.

2451
01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:26,000
Speaker 1: So if you're Avonte, I mean I've interviewed him in person,

2452
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:28,000
Speaker 1: so of you. He's not a big dude. He's not

2453
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:28,520
Speaker 1: a big dude.

2454
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:30,880
Speaker 2: So like, remember when has Beulah was on the set

2455
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 2: of the Mike Tyson podcast and Mike like treated him

2456
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 2: like he was a two year old and picked him

2457
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:38,520
Speaker 2: up and was like, you know, tickling him and going

2458
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:41,200
Speaker 2: uh oohy gooey with him, and people were like offended,

2459
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:43,120
Speaker 2: even though it was really cute and a kind of

2460
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 2: weird weird combat sports type weirdness. Way, I don't know

2461
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 2: about that. Like if you're really sure, but you're like

2462
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:53,640
Speaker 2: super famous and in tanks case, you're you know, as

2463
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 2: a as a fighter, you're you're a badass. Do you

2464
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 2: like it when wash celebrities come and lift you off

2465
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:02,920
Speaker 2: the ground and uh and uh, I don't know that

2466
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:03,680
Speaker 2: seems little.

2467
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're getting treated like a prop, something is

2468
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 1: not gone great.

2469
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 2: You know, sure, something is not going great. In our

2470
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:15,400
Speaker 2: next segment, Luke, this is auto accidents of the week.

2471
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what country this was, but it was pinball.

2472
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:27,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't look Oh Jesus fucking hell. The guy got

2473
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,720
Speaker 1: up in one more time. The guy who does the flip.

2474
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:31,600
Speaker 1: Watch he gets up.

2475
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 2: He rolled?

2476
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:34,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, Granby rolls one more time. Micky watch, watch, watch,

2477
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:36,000
Speaker 1: watch he gets up.

2478
01:56:36,040 --> 01:56:36,360
Speaker 2: Look at that?

2479
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 1: Look at that? He gets up and runs off at

2480
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:40,160
Speaker 1: the edge of the screen. How beast is that?

2481
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 2: You see? Would have loved that one? Wow? All right,

2482
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 2: your next accident, Luke, watched the skateboard closely here, okay,

2483
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 2: this stud oh oh fuck me? Oh look that's what happened. Yeah,

2484
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:02,120
Speaker 2: all right, I got one more for you. You gotta

2485
01:57:02,160 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 2: be careful on the motorcycle. Where are your helmets? Folks? Okay,

2486
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:08,320
Speaker 2: this is.

2487
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:17,840
Speaker 1: Oh first of all, did he get that car from

2488
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 1: a cracker jack box?

2489
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 2: I have to know, get out of my dreams.

2490
01:57:22,840 --> 01:57:25,240
Speaker 1: Play that one more time, Play that one more time, jeez, Louie.

2491
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:27,080
Speaker 1: And of course this is somewhere in Latin America because

2492
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 1: you can tell by the signs. Let's see all fucking hell, bro,

2493
01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, here's one thing I learned,

2494
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:36,120
Speaker 1: and I don't know how all of Latin America's I've

2495
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:39,040
Speaker 1: only driven through Panama and Columbia, so obviously there's a

2496
01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:42,040
Speaker 1: lot I have not seen. They don't respect traffic laws

2497
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:43,880
Speaker 1: like we do. It's a lot less. It's a lot

2498
01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 1: less formalized a process. They just drive wherever the fuck

2499
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:50,280
Speaker 1: they want. You know, it's crazy, Luke.

2500
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:53,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes people send in a clip so many times that

2501
01:57:53,400 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 2: we've already played on this show that it reminds me

2502
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 2: it's time to induct it into the Have you seen

2503
01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:00,920
Speaker 2: this shit Hall of Fame? So here's your elder abuse

2504
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:02,920
Speaker 2: moment of the week A second time.

2505
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 1: Oh you tried to get fancy Grandpa eat ship, bitch?

2506
01:58:09,800 --> 01:58:12,920
Speaker 2: Oh he tried to be like that skateboarder. I mean

2507
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:15,320
Speaker 2: that that remember that snowboarder in the Olympics loop.

2508
01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:19,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at nice coordination. Fucking when Byana?

2509
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:24,520
Speaker 2: Oh wow me she she like she tried to like

2510
01:58:24,640 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 2: celebrate at the finish and crashed right before it.

2511
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was trying to wait, he was trying to

2512
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 1: get fancy with it, Grandpa wow.

2513
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 2: All right, hey, Luke, winter is here. If it turns

2514
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:38,000
Speaker 2: out there is a cure for blue balls, would you

2515
01:58:38,120 --> 01:58:39,040
Speaker 2: ever do this, Luke?

2516
01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:46,600
Speaker 1: Would you That's a bit only if they were on fire?

2517
01:58:48,200 --> 01:58:51,560
Speaker 2: You know, you talk about cold plunging. This must be

2518
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:53,320
Speaker 2: the next level, right.

2519
01:58:55,120 --> 01:59:03,040
Speaker 1: Just shoveling mounds of snow and freeze your genitalia while

2520
01:59:03,120 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 1: you're underwear facilitates and like mummifying it and cold. I

2521
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if that gentleman should be

2522
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:11,000
Speaker 1: reproducing at any point, you.

2523
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,280
Speaker 2: Know, yes, but if he did, he should watch out

2524
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 2: in the snow for kids. Luke, there there, you gotta

2525
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:18,280
Speaker 2: be careful here. Let's go to the next clip.

2526
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:34,320
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen have you ever seen the uh,

2527
01:59:34,680 --> 01:59:36,879
Speaker 1: it's probably everywhere, but I've only ever seen on Instagram

2528
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:38,880
Speaker 1: the kids getting hurt account.

2529
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's a little much for me.

2530
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,600
Speaker 1: I can't I can't subscribe to it and I see

2531
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:47,720
Speaker 1: it every day. But yeah, dude, kids do they do

2532
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:49,840
Speaker 1: dumb ship? They do dumb ship. Yeah, they have to

2533
01:59:49,880 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 1: be they have to be.

2534
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:54,760
Speaker 2: Helped, Yes, they do. Luke does uh what do you

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01:59:54,840 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 2: think of this? Hmm nice dug hm hm.

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02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:22,800
Speaker 1: Hm mm hmmm.

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02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 2: Do you think if we just move on we won't

2538
02:00:27,120 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 2: get fired?

2539
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 1: Luke? Yeah, I think I need an adult.

2540
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:33,480
Speaker 2: Okay, I got two more for you. This is your

2541
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:37,440
Speaker 2: strike of the week. Here, the two handed overhead approach.

2542
02:00:49,240 --> 02:00:51,560
Speaker 1: You know, the people who run bowling alleys are like,

2543
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:54,160
Speaker 1: you know what this you know what this bowling alley

2544
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:59,440
Speaker 1: needs bored white teens. That's what it needs, bored white teenagers.

2545
02:00:59,840 --> 02:01:02,280
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm watching my you know, my high

2546
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 2: school and college years play out in front of me

2547
02:01:04,360 --> 02:01:06,360
Speaker 2: with that clip. That was the kind of stuff that

2548
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:06,760
Speaker 2: I did.

2549
02:01:06,920 --> 02:01:09,840
Speaker 1: Every young group of idiots always thinks they're the first

2550
02:01:09,880 --> 02:01:12,120
Speaker 1: ones to think it's funny to like lob it versus

2551
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:14,520
Speaker 1: to roll the bowling ball, And it's very very funny

2552
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:16,600
Speaker 1: to them. Yes, thank you, old.

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02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:19,280
Speaker 2: Man, we got one more for you. Let's go to

2554
02:01:19,400 --> 02:01:20,400
Speaker 2: the pissing trough.

2555
02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:21,720
Speaker 1: Here we go.

2556
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the.

2557
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:40,880
Speaker 1: One more time for good time to say one more time,

2558
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:51,720
Speaker 1: one more time. Now, let me explain something to you,

2559
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:54,520
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. If we ever get to a point where

2560
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:57,760
Speaker 1: you're urinating on me for clicks on ig like Shawn

2561
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:00,120
Speaker 1: Strickland said, Like Sean Strickland said, I will stab you.

2562
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:01,080
Speaker 1: I will stab you.

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02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:04,320
Speaker 2: That's your shit of the week. Luke, I hope you

2564
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:05,440
Speaker 2: saw it. Yeah, there you go.

2565
02:02:05,760 --> 02:02:08,000
Speaker 1: How was the guy urinating on the other guy and

2566
02:02:08,120 --> 02:02:11,560
Speaker 1: him doing him doing the three stooges Scooby Doo trying

2567
02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:13,840
Speaker 1: to get away a bit in the piss? How was

2568
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:15,920
Speaker 1: that acceptable? And then what you took out was not

2569
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:18,800
Speaker 1: because I know what you took out and that's not great,

2570
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:21,280
Speaker 1: but also not meaningfully different from this, you know.

2571
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 2: How about Mike He's like, yeah, well, just let me

2572
02:02:23,880 --> 02:02:26,480
Speaker 2: find a child getting hit in the head with a baseball.

2573
02:02:26,600 --> 02:02:29,240
Speaker 2: Bet that's that's the perfect sub let me do.

2574
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:32,360
Speaker 1: I will say this. Think about this. If you wanted

2575
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,360
Speaker 1: to see and I wouldn't go and ask for it.

2576
02:02:34,480 --> 02:02:35,720
Speaker 1: But like back in the day, if you wanted to

2577
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:37,280
Speaker 1: see murders, you had to go in like the dark

2578
02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:39,280
Speaker 1: web or something like awful place on the internet. You

2579
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:39,840
Speaker 1: should never go.

2580
02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:40,560
Speaker 2: Now.

2581
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:43,000
Speaker 1: You just go on Twitter. Now, you just click on

2582
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:45,240
Speaker 1: the four you tab, and it's just murders and shit

2583
02:02:45,320 --> 02:02:48,400
Speaker 1: left and right. It's actually, uh, you know, it makes

2584
02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:50,960
Speaker 1: the process easier depending on your perspective, right.

2585
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:55,080
Speaker 2: Indeed, Luke, Indeed, Man, I can't wait. We do we

2586
02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:57,080
Speaker 2: get the band back together, Luke, and we.

2587
02:02:58,720 --> 02:03:00,280
Speaker 1: Talk about more pissing and and.

2588
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:06,400
Speaker 2: I think people need to realize that, you know, we're

2589
02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:10,720
Speaker 2: gonna go away for a bit, but when we come back, TUOI,

2590
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:14,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna be looking to do one thing.

2591
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:17,520
Speaker 1: Bang their mothers.

2592
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:22,120
Speaker 2: Bang bang bang bang, try and stop me bang bang.

2593
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:28,800
Speaker 1: Right there you go. Hey, let's remind everyone. Let's remind everyone. Okay,

2594
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:32,080
Speaker 1: YouTube dot Com slash morning Combat. This will be, you know,

2595
02:03:32,280 --> 02:03:35,720
Speaker 1: the the last regular one of these for the hiatus part.

2596
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:37,640
Speaker 1: We're coming back later, but for right now, we're gonna

2597
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:40,000
Speaker 1: hold you over with this one. It's not the last

2598
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:41,680
Speaker 1: time you will hear from us. When more time. Put

2599
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:44,520
Speaker 1: that social clip up there, see excuse me, mikey. If

2600
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,600
Speaker 1: you can Morning Combat and all the places where you

2601
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:48,880
Speaker 1: get your your social media clips, and then of course

2602
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:50,840
Speaker 1: you can follow b C and I on Twitter and

2603
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:53,840
Speaker 1: Instagram and of course YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat.

2604
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:57,080
Speaker 1: We will have content for you during the month of February,

2605
02:03:57,480 --> 02:04:00,720
Speaker 1: just not the regular shows until we return in March,

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02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:01,880
Speaker 1: right b s.

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02:04:02,560 --> 02:04:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's and then we're gonna have an announcement

2608
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,880
Speaker 2: when we can between now and then, and we hope

2609
02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:10,920
Speaker 2: that you're gonna get as excited as we are because

2610
02:04:11,680 --> 02:04:12,200
Speaker 2: we're coming on.

2611
02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:14,200
Speaker 1: There you have it.

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02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:14,720
Speaker 2: Uh.

2613
02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:17,040
Speaker 1: Let's remind everyone Morning Combat at gmail dot com if

2614
02:04:17,080 --> 02:04:19,000
Speaker 1: you want to reach the show for any reason, of

2615
02:04:19,120 --> 02:04:21,920
Speaker 1: course Morningcombat dot store if you want to get some

2616
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:24,520
Speaker 1: merch between now and the you know, two point zero

2617
02:04:24,600 --> 02:04:28,640
Speaker 1: version of everything, and there you go. And uh, yeah,

2618
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:30,760
Speaker 1: I want to think. Hey, let's just be grateful, right,

2619
02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:33,600
Speaker 1: let's thank everyone who watched today. Let's thank anyone who's

2620
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:37,440
Speaker 1: watched at any point since we got going in July. Yeah.

2621
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:38,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna get to it. I was gonna I

2622
02:04:38,760 --> 02:04:39,880
Speaker 1: was gonna get to it. I was gonna get to it.

2623
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:41,840
Speaker 1: We just think the audience real quick. Thanks to everyone

2624
02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:45,040
Speaker 1: who spreads around or watches clips or listens to the

2625
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:47,400
Speaker 1: audio podcast or anything related to the show in terms

2626
02:04:47,400 --> 02:04:50,040
Speaker 1: of consumption, thanks a lot. Let's also to your point

2627
02:04:50,360 --> 02:04:53,520
Speaker 1: extend a very special thanks to Mikey Mormile, who has

2628
02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:56,080
Speaker 1: done I mean, let's just be honest about this. He

2629
02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:59,880
Speaker 1: has done work on and for this show that literally

2630
02:05:00,120 --> 02:05:02,200
Speaker 1: nobody else has had to do, not just in terms

2631
02:05:02,240 --> 02:05:05,000
Speaker 1: of the type of content, but the overall amount. When

2632
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:08,160
Speaker 1: I say that the show literally would not survive for him,

2633
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:10,720
Speaker 1: I am being dead serious. It would not. So Mikey,

2634
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:13,040
Speaker 1: we know it has been at times overwhelming and at

2635
02:05:13,120 --> 02:05:17,120
Speaker 1: times probably unfair and just difficult in general to manage.

2636
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:20,760
Speaker 1: You gave us everything you had. You did a great job,

2637
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:25,200
Speaker 1: and we're more than thrilled with it. We're beyond grateful

2638
02:05:25,680 --> 02:05:27,960
Speaker 1: that we had somebody we could rely upon in times

2639
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:29,600
Speaker 1: like these. BC. I'm sure you have something you want

2640
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:30,240
Speaker 1: to add that as well.

2641
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Mikey has been the backbone. We have certainly

2642
02:05:34,920 --> 02:05:38,440
Speaker 2: dialed down right the production here. We've still been getting

2643
02:05:38,440 --> 02:05:40,720
Speaker 2: the shows off, but we want to give you the

2644
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:42,960
Speaker 2: type of shows that you deserve, that we feel the

2645
02:05:43,000 --> 02:05:45,320
Speaker 2: show deserves, and we wouldn't even even have a show

2646
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 2: of Late without Mikey so been here almost since day one, ish,

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02:05:50,200 --> 02:05:52,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you do, I wonder if there are like

2648
02:05:53,120 --> 02:05:55,880
Speaker 2: old school Jay Aaron fans from.

2649
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:57,880
Speaker 1: The Yeah, I got an email from someone saying bring

2650
02:05:58,000 --> 02:05:59,840
Speaker 1: back Jay and I was like, that's like saying I'd

2651
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:03,320
Speaker 1: like to bring back fucking salmonilla or Familia.

2652
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:05,920
Speaker 2: Like, no, I don't need to do that as a

2653
02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:11,520
Speaker 2: as a food travel, foody expert who will give reviews

2654
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:15,640
Speaker 2: of local joints so you can follow his escapades. I

2655
02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:17,840
Speaker 2: don't know if he is still also Pennington James, but

2656
02:06:18,240 --> 02:06:21,880
Speaker 2: Mikey said he joined in episode sixty Order sixty six

2657
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:26,839
Speaker 2: brought Mikey into our lives, right, All the Jedis were slaughtered, yes.

2658
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:30,720
Speaker 1: And so let me just say thank you to everybody

2659
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:32,760
Speaker 1: who had something to be a part of at the

2660
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:35,920
Speaker 1: MK one point Oh, the list is too long. Matt Snyder,

2661
02:06:36,120 --> 02:06:41,360
Speaker 1: Courtney mag Brian Daley, Steven Espinosa Kier importantly BC. There's

2662
02:06:41,400 --> 02:06:42,280
Speaker 1: like a million names.

2663
02:06:43,800 --> 02:06:44,200
Speaker 2: Shut up.

2664
02:06:44,520 --> 02:06:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the most perhaps the most important one

2665
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:47,920
Speaker 1: when I needed an adult Corrup would be up on

2666
02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:50,280
Speaker 1: that list as well. But you know all the folks

2667
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:53,080
Speaker 1: from Malca we can name over and over again. Cordymnich, Gaff,

2668
02:06:53,400 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 1: Long Island, Luke. You guys all know the names. Everyone

2669
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 1: had something to do with MK one point zero. We're

2670
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:00,640
Speaker 1: gonna sunset one point oh, so we can get going

2671
02:07:00,760 --> 02:07:02,880
Speaker 1: with two point zero. But we're really grateful that we

2672
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:05,400
Speaker 1: had everything that we got. We're really grateful for everyone

2673
02:07:05,400 --> 02:07:08,680
Speaker 1: who has been along for the ride, and we you know,

2674
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:11,400
Speaker 1: the business isn't a crazy place, but we really feel

2675
02:07:11,440 --> 02:07:13,320
Speaker 1: confident when it's all said and done, we're gonna make

2676
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:15,600
Speaker 1: you guys proud, and so I'm excited for the for

2677
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:16,160
Speaker 1: the road Heavy.

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02:07:16,200 --> 02:07:21,400
Speaker 2: We also expect to publish documentary number eight.

2679
02:07:23,320 --> 02:07:23,440
Speaker 1: Is it?

2680
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:24,320
Speaker 2: Are we on eight?

2681
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:25,440
Speaker 1: Eight or nine?

2682
02:07:25,640 --> 02:07:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do plan to publish that. We've got to

2683
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:31,520
Speaker 2: get to this next stop, get to this next era

2684
02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:34,960
Speaker 2: of Morning Combat. But thank you to everybody who's who's

2685
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:37,320
Speaker 2: played a part, like Luke said, who's going to bat

2686
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:39,520
Speaker 2: with us, voted for awards so we can get this

2687
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:44,720
Speaker 2: clout as maybe the greatest our best combat sports show period, Luke.

2688
02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:47,480
Speaker 2: But and thank you to people in the industry that

2689
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:49,560
Speaker 2: come on our show that have become friends with us,

2690
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:52,240
Speaker 2: that have you know, put us over as well just

2691
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:54,600
Speaker 2: the same. I mean, you know where we where would

2692
02:07:54,600 --> 02:07:58,280
Speaker 2: we be without Chuck Minnenhall, Aaron Bronstead or Rashad Evans,

2693
02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:01,560
Speaker 2: people that have really helped to find certain key parts

2694
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:04,440
Speaker 2: of our eras as well. Shaq Masjori shout out, Okay,

2695
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:07,920
Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about, all right, Luke. Uh but

2696
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:12,880
Speaker 2: what's coming is uh yeah, you know like oh yeah, right,

2697
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:14,600
Speaker 2: I mean you could gud you get a little old yeah,

2698
02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:16,520
Speaker 2: I mean you could almost do a little oh yeah, Luke,

2699
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:18,360
Speaker 2: I think you know you personally, I think you could

2700
02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:20,120
Speaker 2: almost you almost could.

2701
02:08:21,200 --> 02:08:22,840
Speaker 1: You know. I'm not going to though, I'm not. I'm

2702
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:24,440
Speaker 1: just not going to do that. That's the thing about that.

2703
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:26,920
Speaker 2: I just you know, rev that red that engine just

2704
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:28,480
Speaker 2: a little Luke, just a little no.

2705
02:08:28,680 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 1: And you might be asking, what are we going to

2706
02:08:30,040 --> 02:08:32,160
Speaker 1: hear from you? You will, you will hear from us.

2707
02:08:32,360 --> 02:08:34,520
Speaker 1: Keep the faith. We will let you know it is

2708
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:37,160
Speaker 1: going to You are going to get updates from us.

2709
02:08:37,360 --> 02:08:41,720
Speaker 1: Don't worry. It's not disappearance. It's just a reset. Time

2710
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:44,000
Speaker 1: to do it all the right way, all over again,

2711
02:08:44,680 --> 02:08:46,080
Speaker 1: right you see, any final thoughts.

2712
02:08:45,960 --> 02:08:48,560
Speaker 2: Review, We're going to preview and review the biggest things

2713
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:51,560
Speaker 2: coming out in February, breaking news, the big events, Fear

2714
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:55,080
Speaker 2: or Sorry and Ghanu versus a j right UFC two

2715
02:08:55,200 --> 02:08:57,120
Speaker 2: ninety nine. Is that or maybe that's for March? How

2716
02:08:57,120 --> 02:08:57,720
Speaker 2: about two ninety.

2717
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:01,520
Speaker 1: You got Belatore over versus PFL. You got a couple,

2718
02:09:01,640 --> 02:09:02,800
Speaker 1: you got Fury, oh.

2719
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:06,600
Speaker 2: Sick Mexico City, Fury who sick? Could? Oh yeah? And

2720
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:08,440
Speaker 2: Gan who's in march Looke, don't let me talk in

2721
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:09,800
Speaker 2: And we should probably just take a break from the

2722
02:09:09,800 --> 02:09:11,840
Speaker 2: show because I need a Yeah, I'll just take a

2723
02:09:11,880 --> 02:09:12,680
Speaker 2: little break, all right.

2724
02:09:12,760 --> 02:09:14,680
Speaker 1: So let me just say again one last time. Hey,

2725
02:09:14,720 --> 02:09:17,080
Speaker 1: thanks everybody. We really really cannot tell you how much

2726
02:09:17,120 --> 02:09:18,800
Speaker 1: we appreciate it, except to just tell you this as

2727
02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:21,280
Speaker 1: honestly as we can and hope the message is received.

2728
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:23,440
Speaker 1: We don't take a single day on the air in

2729
02:09:23,520 --> 02:09:25,600
Speaker 1: this business for granted. We don't take a single episode

2730
02:09:25,640 --> 02:09:27,520
Speaker 1: for granted, and we don't take a single one of

2731
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:29,680
Speaker 1: the people who decides to spend time in their day

2732
02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:32,400
Speaker 1: listening to us for granted as well. So thank you

2733
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:35,680
Speaker 1: to everyone at CBS, thank you to everyone at Showtime,

2734
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:38,280
Speaker 1: thank you to everyone at Malka, Thanks to everyone who's

2735
02:09:38,280 --> 02:09:40,440
Speaker 1: worked on this show, Mikey and the rest of the crew.

2736
02:09:40,840 --> 02:09:43,480
Speaker 1: We will see you guys soon. We'll have broadcasts for

2737
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:46,400
Speaker 1: you in the month of February. But until then, we

2738
02:09:46,560 --> 02:09:49,200
Speaker 1: appreciate you, We love you. We'll see you on the

2739
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:52,480
Speaker 1: other side. May all of your gains be loyal