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Speaker 2: To the Herd, It's me Jason McIntyre in for Colin Coward.

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Speaker 2: He is enjoying the last days of summer before football begins.

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Speaker 2: It is a beautiful Monday, and I'm joined by Rachel Nichols.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knows and loves Rachel Nichols, a longtime veteran journalist, host, analyst.

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Speaker 2: I mean she's done everything, Rachel, how was your weekend?

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Speaker 3: You know, I was in Orlando for the Big Three

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Speaker 3: Championship game working with CBS, so it was kind of

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Speaker 3: crazy to see how much that lead has grown. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: right when it started, it was sort of like a

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Speaker 3: random off thing to do in the summer, and like

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Speaker 3: it's legit, man night, it's a full packed arena and

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Speaker 3: your names, you know, like Michael Beasley, Land, Stevenson, Mare

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Speaker 3: Chalmers winning the title.

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Speaker 4: So you saw that fun. Orlando, very sunny in August,

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Speaker 4: a little heat there.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't my favorite location to be in August, but

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Speaker 3: you know, you go where the basketball is.

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Speaker 4: Yes, speaking of heat. My week off, I popped over.

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Speaker 2: To Vegas, made some bets for the season, the upcoming

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Speaker 2: football season, and I saw Dave Matthews in concert. Excellent show.

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Speaker 2: As always, We have an excellent show ahead. We'll do

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Speaker 2: some gambling a lot of NFL as the week. We

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Speaker 2: are now ten days away from the beginning of the

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Speaker 2: NFL season. Oh boy, I am very excited. However, before

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Speaker 2: I left for vacation, there were a couple of big

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Speaker 2: NFL stories. Caleb Williams, is he gonna mesh with Ben Johnson?

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Speaker 2: I return, and it's still a problem. The Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: Michael Parsons, what's going on with him? And Jerry It's

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Speaker 2: still a problem. But bigger than both of those, perhaps combined,

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Speaker 2: is the shit Doer Sanders developing situation in Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: Folks.

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Speaker 2: There's no way around this. He is the most hyped

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Speaker 2: fifth round draft pick in the history of football. And

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Speaker 2: Chadour took the field in the second half for the

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Speaker 2: Browns and as you can see, here on FS one,

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Speaker 2: it was a bit of a poop show. In the

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Speaker 2: final preseason game for Shadoor Sanders, he was an unmitigated disaster.

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Speaker 2: In the second half, he was three for six for

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Speaker 4: And it gets worse.

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Speaker 2: He was sacked as you could see, running for his

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Speaker 2: you're keeping track at home, Rachel and I had more

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Speaker 2: net passing yards than Shadure Sanders did on Saturday night, folks,

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Speaker 2: this was bad, but a funny thing happened as the

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Speaker 2: critiques unfolded Sunday morning. And listen, I'm telling you right now,

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Speaker 2: every single podcast, TV show, radio show, anybody writing about

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Speaker 2: the NFL today is leading with Shador Sanders because it's

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Speaker 2: just so wacky what's going on in Cleveland. So you

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Speaker 2: guys know, in Hollywood out out here in LA there's

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Speaker 2: a thing called a nepo baby, Right, your mom or

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Speaker 4: So they were in music or entertainment and they.

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Speaker 2: Get handed something, whether it's an album, a TV role, directing,

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Speaker 4: Oh come on, nepo baby, they were handed it. They've

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Speaker 2: It before they get the accolades. The opposite seems to

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Speaker 2: be happening with Shadoor. Sanders his legion of fans. He's

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Speaker 2: now a celebrity quarterback. They're just expecting him to make

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Speaker 2: it was bad and there's some more bad news coming

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Speaker 2: how upset he was that he was pulled before getting.

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Speaker 5: But we don't have the lux for you to travel

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Speaker 5: know you wish you can, But in the battle, the moment,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, smiling on the outside, maybe crying on the inside.

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Speaker 4: Listen, it was very clear he.

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Speaker 2: Was not happy to be pulled by Stefanski. So they

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Speaker 4: He leads him right down the field for the game

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Speaker 2: And all these fans of Shador, I'm trying to understand

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Speaker 2: and he's kind of swagged out.

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Speaker 4: But he was terrible. Can we be real?

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus had a number that was staggering. Shadeur's

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Speaker 2: average time to throw was five point one to three

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Speaker 2: he was still sacked five times in playing backyard football

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Speaker 4: So yet this weird thing happens, Well, wait.

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Speaker 2: A minute, hold on, did you see that the Browns

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Speaker 2: cut four of the five linemen who were blocking for Shador.

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Speaker 4: They cut them on sat on Sunday, so they weren't

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Speaker 4: giving Shador a fair chance.

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Speaker 2: Hello, guys, two of those linemen who were cut were

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Speaker 2: also playing for Dylan Gabriel in the first half, and

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Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel absolutely cooked, moved the team up and down

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Speaker 4: And oh, by the way, two of those linemen.

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Speaker 2: Stup Huntley was not sacked. So Kevin Stefanski, naturally he's

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Speaker 2: getting asked, yo, were you trying to sabotage your quarterback?

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Speaker 4: Which is mind blowing nonsense. Here's Stefanski.

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Speaker 6: Can you address this sort of persistent narrative that that

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Speaker 6: you're trying to sabotage Shadoor Sanders, especially after, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously I don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't concern myself with outside type of things, but uh,

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Speaker 7: you know, I'm committed to his development just like all

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Speaker 2: Things are not good for Stefanski. Member, this is a

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Speaker 4: It out disaster. Then he had Deshaun Watson. Awful, let's

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Speaker 4: not just speak of it, folks.

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Speaker 2: This is reminiscent of Bronnie James from two summers ago. Okay,

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Speaker 2: remember it was like, who's the first pick in the

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Speaker 2: Brownie Draft? I don't know, Bronnie went to the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: It's all anybody cares about. Did you know Kim Ward

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Speaker 2: got in a preseason fight? Good luck fighting that online.

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Speaker 2: You know how Travis Hunter doing trying to be a

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Speaker 2: generational two way profit?

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Speaker 4: Oh, we don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's all about the fifth round or Shaudur, Folks, I

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Speaker 2: have a solution.

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Speaker 4: I'm one of these guys. I like to be solution oriented.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Apparently, you know, when the wife is upset with something,

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Speaker 2: I'm instantly like, let's just fast forward to the solution.

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Speaker 2: I cannot deal with this negativity, so I want to

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Speaker 2: deal with the solution for Shadeur. And I got shouted

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Speaker 2: down in the morning meeting when I said, I got it. Guys,

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Speaker 2: did you see the Raiders? They lost ad O'Connell out

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Speaker 2: six eight weeks fractured in. If I'm the Brown, get

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Speaker 2: chaduor out of here, please, I can't deal with this anymore.

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Speaker 2: Let's just ship him to the Raiders. Jay, nobody's trading

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Speaker 2: for Shador. Well, wait a sec, Wait a sec. Pete

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Speaker 2: Carroll did meet with Shadeur at the Combine. Schadeur loves Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Go look at his Instagram from January February. A big

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Speaker 2: but I understand why wouldn't the Raiders say, hey, let's

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Speaker 2: bring him in to be the backup. He can learn

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Speaker 2: Go ask Mark Sanchez about that. Sorry, Mark, listen, I

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Speaker 2: think Shadur can learn a lot. Nobody's gonna ask for

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Speaker 2: him to start in Vegas. Want to ship him out

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Speaker 2: of town. Hey man, we'll take a week and get

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Speaker 2: let's cut our losses. We don't need these headaches. And

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Speaker 2: guess who else is following them out the door? The

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Speaker 2: entire media. Nobody won't care about Cleveland anymore.

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Speaker 4: Browns.

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Speaker 2: You got to fix this now, from one problem to another.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Dallas and uh Jerry Jones to Michah Parsons.

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Speaker 4: I think this is like round nine. I think is

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the video from the weekend the

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Speaker 2: also laying down on a table while the football was

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Speaker 4: Who cares what happened on the field because it's Michaeh Parsons. Now,

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Speaker 4: Michael's got a bad back.

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Speaker 2: But the Brian Schottenheimer spoke to the media and was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: he came back pretty clean. You can see where this

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Speaker 2: is headed. It's about to get ugly in Dallas. You know,

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Speaker 2: I already think the Cowboys are gonna be a bit

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Speaker 2: of a dumpster fire. But let's hear Jerry Jones talking

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Speaker 2: about the situation with his star defender Michaeh Parsons.

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Speaker 8: We wanted to send the details to the agent. The agent,

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Speaker 8: so it was to stick it up. We had our

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Speaker 8: send it over to the agent, and the agent said,

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Speaker 8: don't bother because we've got all that to negotiate. A lot,

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Speaker 8: already negotiated that, already moved off my marm own several areas.

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Speaker 8: It's the mama daddy deal. You go into mama and

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Speaker 8: she won't do it, and she's the boss, so boss,

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Speaker 8: she won't do it. So you run into daddy. Daddy says,

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Speaker 8: do it, and then you go back in say mama,

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Speaker 8: Daddy said it was all right.

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Speaker 2: You lost me there, Jerry. Sounds like a Thanksgiving dinner

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Speaker 2: story from your grandpa.

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be too harsh here on Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 4: He's a power player in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I get it, But I am one thousand percent siding

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Speaker 2: with Michael Parsons here a thousand.

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Speaker 4: It's not even close.

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Speaker 2: I got to pick up for the little man in

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Speaker 2: this discussion with a billionaire.

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Speaker 4: Jerry, this isn't your first rodeo. You know.

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Speaker 2: You're starting to alienate your fan base a little over

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Speaker 4: For three more years?

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Speaker 2: Well, Micah, you know, he could bring in an independent

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Speaker 4: On his contract.

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Speaker 4: It's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't made and he didn't make that much in

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Speaker 2: Heard Matt Moseley, who covers the Cowboys coming up in

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Speaker 4: Can't wait to.

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Speaker 2: Ask him about Micah versus Jerry Gosh. You know, I

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Speaker 4: You cannot look away from it.

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick over the weekend announced North Carolina is indeed

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Speaker 4: They will follow them around. There's cameras everywhere.

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Speaker 2: As Bill Belichick returns to football coaching, this time in

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Speaker 4: Can he bring him to the playoff? It's a fun storyline. Now.

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Speaker 4: That almost happened.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, Belichick was once I go into a

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Speaker 2: Remember this is the same Bill Belichick who famously hated

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Speaker 4: He hates the media, he.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't like the cameras, and now he's hard up to

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem right here. And my initial take was that

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Speaker 4: Okay, well it's easy to rebrand.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I might be seventy three, but look at the

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Speaker 2: fascinating because why would Belichick want a rebrand? Not a

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Speaker 2: lot of seventy three year olds are looking to rebrand themselves.

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Speaker 2: It could be because Tom Brady rebranded himself in Tampa

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Speaker 2: I don't love talking about this because it's one of

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Speaker 2: This is significant. Looks like a forty eight forty nine

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Speaker 4: Miss main runner up.

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Speaker 2: Is telling him what to do with look younger on

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Speaker 4: Do we take this?

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Speaker 2: And I just I get worried. I spent some time

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Speaker 2: They're wacky photos like yoga on the beach, and I

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Speaker 2: get it. It's you know, young love or puppy love

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Speaker 2: I know we're excited for Archie Manning.

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Speaker 4: Ohio State this weekend.

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Speaker 2: As the kids like to say, low key, I can't

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Rachel Nichols with the news.

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Speaker 9: No, no, this is the headline news, Jason.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with some big news out of DC.

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Speaker 4: That's right, my hometown.

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Speaker 3: Terry McLaurin has reportedly agreed to a three year, ninety

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what was there? So this I forgot? This is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 4: Why did this have to last so much? Why did

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Speaker 2: I hope this is where Micah comes to a resolution

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Speaker 2: with the Cowboys. But yeah, I love McLaurin staying with

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Speaker 2: with Washington. Their offense is gonna be good, Rachel. That

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Speaker 3: That's the nicest thing anyone has said about that defense.

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Speaker 4: Look, let's talk about the bright spots, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I vosited, ye, yeah, a lot of negativity.

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Speaker 3: Form no, no, no, But just because McLaurin just signed, right,

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Speaker 3: He was Daniels's favorite receiver right, caught thirteen of his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw it was Hesay Stroud a little bit.

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Speaker 4: To the playoffs? He's kind of stacked. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a concern about them returning to the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: In right, so I'll doubt that I'll move right.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, you know, the defense is going to

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Speaker 3: have to show for themselves. They have beefed up a

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Speaker 3: little bit on the line, which is good news, but

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Speaker 3: I just you can't get around the fact that they

440
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Speaker 3: are right at the bottom. I mean, they could be

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Speaker 3: at bottom five defense this year. So there's only so

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Speaker 3: far you can go with that.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you about it. Since you're Washington, we

444
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Speaker 2: don't call them Redskins, but from the Redskins they're off. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Jerry Clark was my favorite. I know a lot of

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Speaker 2: people love Art Monk, but McLaurin, some of his numbers

447
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Speaker 2: line up with like.

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Speaker 4: All time greats for Washington. People don't realize it.

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Speaker 3: No, it's a good comp by the way, just in

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Speaker 3: terms of the way he moves on the field.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this had to get done.

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Speaker 3: There was a point earlier this season where McLaurin asked

453
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Speaker 3: for trade because it wasn't getting done. They hang up

454
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Speaker 3: with a little bit about his age, right, he's thirty

455
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Speaker 3: years old. That tends to be the beginning of the

456
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Speaker 3: downslope for a lot of receivers.

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Speaker 4: But if you look at the.

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Speaker 3: Guys who have signed contracts around the around the amount.

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Speaker 4: Of money that he has signed for, they're all around

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Speaker 4: his age. They're thirty, thirty one, thirty two.

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Speaker 3: He is the sixth best paid receiver this year with

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Speaker 3: this new deal.

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Speaker 4: I would take him over Ayuk, wouldn't you?

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Speaker 2: I mean you?

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Speaker 4: Plus I Hugh's hurt. He's less of a headache than

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Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill.

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Speaker 2: Again low bar, but yeah, Saint Brown is really good.

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Speaker 2: AJ Brown's excellent. I mean I would take McLaurin over

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Speaker 2: DK Metcalf. I mean, Metcalf's also getting up there in age,

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Speaker 2: but huh.

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Speaker 3: Metcalf was sort of the standard he was going for. Financially.

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Speaker 3: Metcalf's at thirty three. This new deal puts him at

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Speaker 3: thirty two, so he got right around the park.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, thirty two mil Yeah, enjoy.

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Speaker 3: The Commanders have the eighth hardest schedule in the NFL

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Speaker 3: this year. That should probably be a factor two that

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Speaker 3: we discussed as we figure this out. But good news

478
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Speaker 3: out of camp this morning and those of us in DC,

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Speaker 3: we'll take it all right. We gotta move on to

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Speaker 3: your favorite quarterback. Yes, you know him, you love him,

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Speaker 3: just a few Aaron Rodgers. Earlier this offseason, he acknowledged

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Speaker 3: this might be his final NFL season, but you know,

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Speaker 3: little change over the weekend hasn't fully ruled out a

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Speaker 3: return to twenty twenty six. In an appearance on Cam

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Speaker 3: Heyward's podcast, DK Metcalf put his QB on the spot

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Speaker 3: when discussing not this season next season.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: I think we're gonna do some special things this year,

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Speaker 8: looking forward to it, and you know, maybe we can

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Speaker 8: run it back.

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Speaker 2: Maybe did you see the delayed Yeah, he's like yeah maybe.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Aaron told Pat McAfee earlier this

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Speaker 3: summer that this was going to be his last ride.

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Speaker 4: Do you take that more seriously? Do you take this

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Speaker 4: more seriously? Aaron's gotta get through this season seriously in general.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, from.

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Speaker 2: The the bashing of.

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Speaker 4: Political folks to the darkness retreat to what like every

499
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Speaker 4: ex girlfriend said about him getting a badger on there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just can't take it seriously. I don't know. Plus,

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Speaker 4: he was a disappointment with my Jets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm sure they'll you know, they'll be plucky.

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Speaker 2: And I think the Jets come after him on opening

504
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Speaker 2: me like big tug, like heavy.

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Speaker 4: I mean you saw his preseason.

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Speaker 2: He's not moving, not like playing a preseason, but like

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Speaker 2: the snaps he's taken with the team.

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Speaker 4: He's immobile. I think it come after him heavy and

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Speaker 4: uh lot payback for Aaron in Week one for my Jets.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, this conversation about next season might be

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Speaker 3: a moot point. I mean, I don't know how far

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Speaker 3: he's gonna last.

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Speaker 4: This season's turning thirty two years old.

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Speaker 3: And the idea by the way, you don't have any

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Speaker 3: forty two year old quarterbacks that played at least ten

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Speaker 3: games in one season.

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Speaker 4: It's gotta be Tom Brady and Warren Moon.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Tom Brady and Tom Brady. Oh Dad, that's it,

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Speaker 3: And you, sir, are no Tom Brady.

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Speaker 4: That's hard. Okay, there we go.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Giants wrapping up their preseason and

522
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Speaker 3: despite great play from Jackson Dart, they will in fact

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Speaker 3: start Russell Wilson under center in Week one against the Commanders,

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Speaker 3: Whereuss officially the starter. There are big questions about whether

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Speaker 3: Dart lands in the depth chart, whether they're leaving him

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Speaker 3: the door open for him to come in in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the season. What do you think of the decision,

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Speaker 3: because you know, there's.

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Speaker 4: A lot of Jackson Dart live in the New York area.

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Speaker 2: Everybody loves shiny new things. He's brand new, you know.

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Speaker 2: He looks the part at the podium. One thing I

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Speaker 2: noticed Rachel early on, and you would go to these

533
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Speaker 2: press conference after me, he looks at the media member

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Speaker 2: and tries to like say their name. Sometimes he's really

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Speaker 2: forming that bond if you and they, you know.

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Speaker 4: The media, we love that when they talk about us.

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Speaker 2: Of course, So I think he's playing all his cards right.

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Speaker 2: And you know, if you have to say Jay, well

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Speaker 2: he start a game before Thanksgiving, I think you will look.

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Speaker 3: First of all, no one is more popular on a

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Speaker 3: football team than the backup quarterback, So this is.

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Speaker 4: Right in line.

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Speaker 3: I think you have to start with Wilson because you

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Speaker 3: kind of can't go backward right if Wilson doesn't do

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Speaker 3: well enough, and the Giants have the toughest strength of

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Speaker 3: schedule in the NFL, so it is more likely than

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Speaker 3: not that there will be sputtering from that offense. Right,

548
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Speaker 3: then you can pull the vet for the younger kid.

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Speaker 3: But if you put the kid in first and he

550
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Speaker 3: has all of those problems, it is very hard to

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Speaker 3: mentally get Russell Wilson back from Hey, you.

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Speaker 4: Went away from me.

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Speaker 3: I was supposed to be the starter here in my

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Speaker 3: mind when I came in and you screwed me. So

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Speaker 3: now I'm going to come in and pick up this

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Speaker 3: kid's pieces. That is a much harder dynamic as a

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Speaker 3: coach to deal with. So I wasn't surprised at all

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Speaker 3: to see this news.

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Speaker 2: So what let me ask you, though, Jamis Winston is

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Speaker 2: also very popular seems like he's already won over the

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Speaker 2: locker room.

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Speaker 4: Who do you think starts as the backup?

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Speaker 2: Because it might be Winston just for being a veteran,

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Speaker 2: you know, if something happens to Uss.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think you're ready for Jackson Dart like

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Speaker 4: week one or two.

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Speaker 3: No, it might be Winston because of exactly what you said.

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Speaker 3: But I think Jamis is more in there as sort

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Speaker 3: of a guy to bring the quarterback room together. That's

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Speaker 3: very popular with his teammates.

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Speaker 4: He's a real.

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Speaker 3: Leader in that whole group, and I think they see

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Speaker 3: him more in that role. It's almost like a vet

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Speaker 3: at the end of an NBA bench or something where

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Speaker 3: their future is obviously not Jameis Winston. So yes, he

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Speaker 3: might be number two on the depth chart. But I

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Speaker 3: would say that if Russell Wilson doesn't end up finishing

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Speaker 3: the season as the starter, you will see.

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Speaker 4: Jackson Dart at some point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Rachel, look at that. So Chansas City's got

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Speaker 2: a really good defense. Bagnolo is excellent. Chargers defense should

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Speaker 2: be very very good. You get a respite with the Saints.

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Speaker 2: But Eagles Broncos Eagles, Yeah, that could be the two

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Speaker 2: best defenses in the NFL for three weeks in a row,

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Speaker 2: and then the Niners with Robert Sala, who by mid

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Speaker 2: season should be hitting his form. So yeah, I don't

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Speaker 2: feel great about I don't feel great about the Giants

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Speaker 2: despite their three and zero preseason, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, the Giants had such a dismal season

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Speaker 3: last year that I think Giants fans out there are

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Speaker 3: just like, please, don't make me embarrassed to be alive

593
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Speaker 3: every week of the NFL season anymore.

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Speaker 4: And I think they'll improve on their win total. How

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Speaker 4: could you not?

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Speaker 11: Right?

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Speaker 3: So the success for the Giants, fortunately, the bar for

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Speaker 3: them is low, and success for them could mean a

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Speaker 3: five or six win season.

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Speaker 4: Does Brian Dables survive this season?

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Speaker 3: I think that depends on the way that they win

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Speaker 3: or lose, right, because the strength of schedule, everyone realizes

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Speaker 3: how tough this is with this group. But I think

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Speaker 3: that it sort of depends on is it heartbreaking, you know,

605
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Speaker 3: close losses? Is it they just get completely you know,

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Speaker 3: fashed out, that kind of thing. I mean, the Giants

607
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Speaker 3: are returning ten of eleven starters on offense, and this

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Speaker 3: was an offense that could barely win a game last year.

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Speaker 4: So and the only non returner Russ. I guess right,

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Speaker 4: oh wow.

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Speaker 3: So I think that if they don't do well, you

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Speaker 3: got to look up a little higher and the first one.

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Speaker 4: To go know how attractive? Did you hop? That is?

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Speaker 4: L All right, Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 9: Yep, well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by

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Speaker 9: the Herd Line News.

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Speaker 2: All right, Coming up, we head to Dallas. What's the

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Speaker 2: endgame for Micah Parsons and the Cowboys?

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Speaker 4: That's next.

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Speaker 9: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 9: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 2: Back here on the Herd, Matt Mosley has covered the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys for decades and I'm sure he's seeing a contract

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Speaker 2: squabble or two. So let's bring him in to discuss

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Speaker 2: Micah versus Jerry. Matt Moseley, host of the Doomsday podcast Doomsday,

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Speaker 2: very apropos of this situation between Micah and Jerry.

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Speaker 4: How you doing, Matt? How's it holding up covering this nonsense?

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Speaker 4: Can I call it that it is?

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Speaker 12: And but when you since I came on with the

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Speaker 12: parcels in two thousand four, read so I have a

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Speaker 12: great running start to this nonsense, and so this too,

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Speaker 12: I think it's kind of shocking to some people, but

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Speaker 12: you know that this kind of but to me, this

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Speaker 12: one really goes hand in hand with this new documentary,

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Speaker 12: and I think that has I think Jerry has loved everything.

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Speaker 11: That is going on with this.

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Speaker 12: The only extrange thing about this, I've never seen Jerry

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Speaker 12: go quite as much on these like media tours as

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Speaker 12: he's on right now separate of the documentary, Like this

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Speaker 12: is a this is a man trying to win the

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Speaker 12: public over on a contract negotiation, and I've never really

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Speaker 12: seen him stooped to that. And it's not going to work.

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Speaker 12: It's not I mean, there's no like nobody, no cowboys.

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Speaker 12: Fans are suddenly going you know what, Mike is being

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Speaker 12: extremely selfish and we don't like mine. These fans, for

646
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 12: over thirty years now have had great practice at despising

647
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Speaker 12: this owner and learning to be angry at him at

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Speaker 12: all times. So Jerry is really wasting his time in

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Speaker 12: trying to get people because first of all, people sort

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Speaker 12: of understand how business works. And Jerry eliminating the agent,

651
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Speaker 12: trying to act like hey, we've already agreed to a deal.

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Speaker 11: It's completely it's a very very.

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Speaker 12: Strange process that We've watched play out and I've watched

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Speaker 12: a bunch of crazy ones. In fact, the night he

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Speaker 12: cut Quincy Carter, I ended up in a bar with

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Speaker 12: Jerry and he talked. We talked all into the evening.

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Speaker 12: That's the great it's the love hate thing with Jerry. Yes,

658
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 12: he's wild, but the greatest thing about him is like,

659
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 12: when something like this is happening, there's a chance we

660
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 12: may run into him at a bar and he'll tell

661
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 12: us everything. And there's almost never been an owner in

662
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 12: the history of sports like this.

663
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 11: So it's it's the media.

664
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Speaker 12: If you ever wonder like that they get tired of

665
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 12: Jerry that the answer is no, because he constantly is

666
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 12: helping us accessible. It's it's yeah, it's it'll well, we

667
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 12: never want him to step off the main stage.

668
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's I totally forgot that. Jerry is on

669
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: a bit of a media tour. He was on that

670
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: show Billy Bob Thornton, the Texas Oil Show. I can't

671
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: remember the name of it now, but man Land Man, Yes,

672
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: excellent show, by the way, I highly recommended.

673
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 4: So he was on there. Remember he had a little

674
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: spot and then he did some media around that.

675
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: Then he's got the series now on Netflix, and now

676
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: he's got this contract squabble. So it's almost like Jerry

677
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: just wants to stay in the limelight. And it's less

678
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: about the Parsons deal, but it's more about, hey, hey,

679
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: talk to me, people, I'm here, talk to me. Is

680
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: that Do you get that vibe?

681
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 11: Only for about forty years? Have I gotten that time? No?

682
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 12: But he's constantly at the center of attention. And by

683
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 12: the way, go back and watch his performance in Landman,

684
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 12: I mean that was and that's why you know, people say, well,

685
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 12: Jerry's lost a step or like with these presidents that

686
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 12: we've had recently and we're looking at the lucidity of

687
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 12: certain people. I would always say, well, how would you

688
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 12: ever know with Jerry, like if he'd truly lost a step.

689
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 12: And when you watch this documentary, he's still such an

690
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 12: incredible storyteller.

691
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 11: But he still has the belief.

692
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 12: And that's why he invites these people to have sit

693
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 12: down interviews. That's why he went on with Michael Irvin

694
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 12: the other day because like he really really gets PR.

695
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 12: Let me tell you where he didn't get PR and

696
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 12: that's when he started the Cowboys.

697
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 11: That was the biggest.

698
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 12: PR blunder ever, and he'll never top that one. And

699
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 12: that was the firing of Tom Landry, and he got

700
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 12: really bad. And I could even remember her name. I

701
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 12: think she's still around. Lisa Lamaster was her name. She

702
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 12: was like a big time PR crisis management consultant, and

703
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 12: she convinced Jerry, you should go fire Tom Landry yourself,

704
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 12: the dumbest move he's ever made.

705
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 11: He's told me that he's admitted that to me before.

706
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 12: And bum Bright, the owner at the time, hated Tom

707
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 12: Landry and would have loved to go fire Tom Landry,

708
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 12: and Jerry thought it would be honorable to go do

709
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 12: it himself, and it blew up in his face and

710
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 12: it was horrible.

711
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 11: And so it's interesting how Jerry has gone to extremely.

712
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 12: Hated to he and Jimmy being beloved in the nineties,

713
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 12: and by the late nineties he's hated again because he

714
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 12: was again Jimmy and Jerry that was both their fault,

715
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 12: and I think kind of both of them would admit that,

716
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 12: but obviously to this day, fans believe that it was

717
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 12: Jerry mostly at fault in that divorce, and that was

718
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 12: probably one of the worst divorces in an fl history,

719
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 12: and It could have robbed Cowboys fans of at least

720
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 12: two more Super Bowls if those guys could have even

721
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 12: made it. You know, we see relationships j Mac like that,

722
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 12: we know are ill faded. That was one of them.

723
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 12: That was one of them. But if they could have

724
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 12: made it ten years, so they could have had five

725
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 12: of ten, they could have had five.

726
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 11: They could have had five super Bowls.

727
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 12: They only get two, right because he ran them off

728
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 12: and Switzer got the third one.

729
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 4: Yes, good memory.

730
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: Let me just quickly ask about this back mri so

731
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: Schottenheimer said it came back pretty clean, which is not

732
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, but it sounds like it's close. So

733
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 2: then Mike has seen at the game laying down on

734
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: the table, and then he's, oh, well I got the

735
00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 2: back injury.

736
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, do.

737
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: You foresee Micah here are the images of him lying down.

738
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 2: Do you see him saying, hey, my independent doctor says,

739
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: my back's not clear. I'm not risking it, sorry guys,

740
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 2: And then it gets really really ugly.

741
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: Do you did we get there?

742
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 11: That's interesting, I believe.

743
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 12: And the team doctor for the Cowboys happens to be

744
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 12: a longtime friend of mine and he hasn't told me this,

745
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 12: but I believe that was one of the cleanest MRIs

746
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 12: in NFL history. And I believe some of this dig stuff,

747
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 12: the Trayvon Diggs and the I mean, I mean McLaurin

748
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 12: suddenly had an injury, right, He's like, no, he's gonna

749
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 12: have to sit out a couple of weeks. Oh, he

750
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 12: signed a three year, ninety six million dollars deal. Feeling better.

751
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 12: MRIs look good where things are looking clean. So Micah

752
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 12: did something embarrassing. And I like Micah, and I think

753
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,720
Speaker 12: Micah is a very fun guy. He's an incredible player.

754
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 12: I do think he's savvy. That was beneath him what

755
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 12: he did the other night. And here's what he didn't

756
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 12: mean to do. He loves this new head coach, but

757
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 12: things like that undermined the head coach. And here's what

758
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 12: needs to happen in a situation like that. This would

759
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 12: have been what happened with Bill Parcells back in the day.

760
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 12: Somebody had to go tell him a Mike is sleeping

761
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 12: over on the table.

762
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 11: And then and then shot.

763
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 12: He could have gone over and said a word and

764
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 12: shown some toughness.

765
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 11: But you can't have.

766
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 12: That going on back there that whole thing was an embarrassment.

767
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 12: I've I've been involved in covering standoffs for years. One

768
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 12: was Bill Parcells and Larry Allen back in the day,

769
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 12: and Larry wasn't working out, mainly because he was kind

770
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 12: of out of shape that time in two thousand and three.

771
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 12: But I'll tell you that you talk about one of

772
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 12: the worst journalistic moments for me as a young reporter,

773
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 12: very young at the time, in my late when they

774
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 12: call me and go, Matt, we need you to go.

775
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 12: You're the only one that Larry Allen will talk to.

776
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 12: We need you to go over to his house. Now,

777
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 12: that's fun about eight o'clock on a Monday evening in

778
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 12: a summer, when he's refusing to show up for training,

779
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 12: to knock at Larry Allen's door and to have his

780
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 12: wife answer and say something along the lines, oh god,

781
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 12: they're sending reporters over here. I've never wanted out of

782
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 12: a neighborhood as quickly as that. Can you imagine Larry

783
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 12: Allen at three hundred and fifty pounds.

784
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 11: So anyway, that did not help our relationship. That ended,

785
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 11: like a lot of my relationships do.

786
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, last question, we got two minutes left.

787
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,760
Speaker 2: Is Michael Parsons on the field in Week one against

788
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: the Eagles?

789
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 4: Yes, oh yes, I like it.

790
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 11: Oh there's no And again you're right.

791
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 12: They could come up with some sort of injury excuse

792
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 12: or something weird like that. But remember who Jerry is,

793
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 12: and remember how much he loves the pageantry and the

794
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 12: circus of all of this, and the last minute get

795
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 12: the deal signed is kind of a fun thing for him. Yeah,

796
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 12: Dak got one of his deals done the morning of

797
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 12: the first game CD and Zeke's were done four or

798
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 12: five days. Every one of these holdouts end in the

799
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 12: Cowboys capitulating, right, I mean, namey one that they've won, Like.

800
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 11: Well, look at the Cowboys, they.

801
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 12: Won this negotiation, Zeke, Zach, I mean every CD they

802
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 12: all end and the deals getting done.

803
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: Just make sure, so, Matt, your headline on your website

804
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: when this happens podcast, big blaring Jerry blinks.

805
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 4: You know, it needs to be that because like you said,

806
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: they always capitulate, right.

807
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 11: They do.

808
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 12: And you know, if you you would just send me

809
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 12: more headlines, I would I would appreciate it.

810
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 11: I would make life easier on me.

811
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 2: So Matt, Matt Moseley, the Man with the dooms Day Podcast.

812
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 4: Great stuff has always met.

813
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: Hey, man, you know when the Cowboys are five and eleven,

814
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: you'll be or five and twelve, you'll be right about

815
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: Shoddy getting shown the door. Can't wait to read those headlines.

816
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: I know, Amma Jets guy. He was a territory coordinator.

817
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 12: When Kylein is not here, I just have a chance

818
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 12: to really expound and really open up about things.

819
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 11: So I think I enjoyed. Yeah, we'll have to do

820
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 11: this more often, all.

821
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: Right, man, have a great one. Matt Mosley dooms Day Podcast.

822
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: The guy's been around the block. Yeah, right, So I

823
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: like his stuff.

824
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 4: He's got he's great.

825
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 8: Yeah.

826
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Speaker 2: No, have you ever gone to the door of an

827
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: NFL player during negotiations?

828
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: That's I have a door knocked anybody in a while.

829
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Speaker 3: You're talking to someone who spent time on Brett Farv's

830
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: lawn during Packers negotiations. So yeah, I have been there.

831
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: Now I know his wife Dana pretty well, so you know,

832
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 3: we got cookies and stuff, so it was a little

833
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: bit different. Look the Jerry thing, I got to say,

834
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: even if he does end up signing there, even if

835
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: he does.

836
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 4: He's going to have lost so much money like.

837
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: That's what doesn't make sense for the Cowboys is if

838
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 3: they had given these guys extensions when they deserved over

839
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: the years, they wouldn't be out sixty million dollars fifty

840
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 3: million extra dollars.

841
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 4: So always get it done early. Great point.

842
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: All right, coming up, is it time to freak out

843
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: about the Bears offense?

844
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: You know, Cowherd's nervous. That's next year on the hurt