1
00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,680
Speaker 1: You love hosting that show. I mean I love it.

2
00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:10,040
Speaker 1: Women are investigators naturally, so exactly you're exactly And I'm

3
00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,480
Speaker 1: a scorpio, so like I'm naturally nosy, so I have

4
00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,360
Speaker 1: to know. I have to know everything. I have to

5
00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,480
Speaker 1: look through everything. I'm like sleuthing naturally for my friends,

6
00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,880
Speaker 1: so like I might as well get pay for it

7
00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,200
Speaker 1: and like do it on TV. I guess what, let

8
00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,880
Speaker 1: me have you. I had a couple of dames. I'm

9
00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,080
Speaker 1: seeing you on I I can't find anything. I promise you.

10
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,479
Speaker 1: Every champion and carey champion is to be a champion,

11
00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,879
Speaker 1: a champion and carry chappion and carry Chapion a champion

12
00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,240
Speaker 1: and carry Chappion and carry Chappion's sports. And then the

13
00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,920
Speaker 1: tam making naked work in the world of vulnerable considered,

14
00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,200
Speaker 1: we come and remote avail the same as elite. It's

15
00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,760
Speaker 1: the difference between what's real and with the public season.

16
00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,480
Speaker 1: So here's your favorite celebrities behind the scenes. It's refreshing up.

17
00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,480
Speaker 1: Then the whole story specific life all to rendivous to

18
00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,800
Speaker 1: shape the person that you can. We gotta Chappion and

19
00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,840
Speaker 1: carry champion. They did. It's the greatest of sports and

20
00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,400
Speaker 1: entertaining connaked with very chappion and carry chappion is to

21
00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,759
Speaker 1: be a champion. A champion they carry chappi and they

22
00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,280
Speaker 1: chat chappi and they carry chappion and carry chappionfraid the

23
00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,120
Speaker 1: sports and then the time a can naked warmer A

24
00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,560
Speaker 1: Two questions for you? Why do you love? I gotta

25
00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,520
Speaker 1: start with that. I'm surprised that you say you love

26
00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:39,080
Speaker 1: l A. Oh, don't tell them perhaps the coast? Why why?

27
00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,000
Speaker 1: Why carry che No? Claim my New Yorker like blood

28
00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,640
Speaker 1: that was injected into me. I you know, so I

29
00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,840
Speaker 1: grew up in Maryland and Potomac, Maryland, Montgomery County, and

30
00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,480
Speaker 1: I moved to New York when I was seventeen, and

31
00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,880
Speaker 1: so I really feel like I became a woman in

32
00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,360
Speaker 1: New York. I moved to l when I was twin five,

33
00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,560
Speaker 1: So I feel like New York kind of helped me

34
00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,399
Speaker 1: grow up. And then I needed a change because as

35
00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,720
Speaker 1: you know, in hosting and entertainment, like everything is in

36
00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,240
Speaker 1: l A, and you know, in order to be in

37
00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,360
Speaker 1: this world, I knew that I had to make a

38
00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,320
Speaker 1: serious change that was gonna you know, it really threw

39
00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,640
Speaker 1: me for a loop because I never thought that I

40
00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,680
Speaker 1: would ever live in l A. I used to be

41
00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,119
Speaker 1: the person to be like, f l A, I will

42
00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,400
Speaker 1: never move to l A. L A is for fakes,

43
00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,400
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And then I moved here and I

44
00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,680
Speaker 1: was like, what was I talking about? Love? It's like,

45
00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,360
Speaker 1: what is wrong with me? I love it? I love it.

46
00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, what's that to like? I feel like

47
00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,400
Speaker 1: as a you know, a New Yorker, I still consider

48
00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,760
Speaker 1: myself to be one. You know, you're taught to despise

49
00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,840
Speaker 1: l A because it's it's just kind of like the

50
00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,280
Speaker 1: antithesis of what New York is. New York is like

51
00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,040
Speaker 1: really fast paced and you know, always go, go go.

52
00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,440
Speaker 1: You won't see someone not working, So there's like always

53
00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,640
Speaker 1: this feeling of I'm not doing enough and I need

54
00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,000
Speaker 1: to be doing more. Where l A is a little

55
00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,960
Speaker 1: bit more relaxed in that sense. People are still working

56
00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,520
Speaker 1: and moving and like doing things, but not with the

57
00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:26,120
Speaker 1: uh crazy rabid energy that New York has for sure. Um,

58
00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,920
Speaker 1: but I also realized that like that's not life, Like,

59
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,840
Speaker 1: that's not living. If you're no, it's not fair to yourself.

60
00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,600
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm happy to be here, Okay,

61
00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,680
Speaker 1: I love it here. Yeah, I actually think that's a

62
00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,760
Speaker 1: great idea. I love New York. I I don't know,

63
00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,440
Speaker 1: we aren't taught to hate New York. I like New

64
00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,920
Speaker 1: York only when the weather is get That's the only

65
00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,640
Speaker 1: thing like New York. Otherwise I feel like I would

66
00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like my my career would deserve

67
00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,320
Speaker 1: a turn there. So when you say you came here

68
00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,480
Speaker 1: for your career, I think that's interesting because I grew

69
00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,720
Speaker 1: up here, and I want to know what you think

70
00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,680
Speaker 1: in terms of when you when you when you become

71
00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,880
Speaker 1: a part of the community in California, especially being from

72
00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,560
Speaker 1: the East coast Potomac, Maryland, um and then living in

73
00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,160
Speaker 1: New York, when you become a part of the community,

74
00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,560
Speaker 1: the culture, what is what happens to your body, what

75
00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,080
Speaker 1: happens to your spirit. My shoulders are way lower than

76
00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,320
Speaker 1: they used to be used to be like here, like

77
00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,160
Speaker 1: my shoulders were next to my earlobes, And now I

78
00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,560
Speaker 1: feel like I can breathe, Like I just feel like

79
00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,600
Speaker 1: I can relax. I think in New York, you know,

80
00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,039
Speaker 1: you always have this sense of going somewhere, so you

81
00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,440
Speaker 1: never Actually it's very rare. I can probably count on

82
00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,400
Speaker 1: one hand the amount of times that I actually looked

83
00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,839
Speaker 1: up and looked around and felt like, wow, I'm here,

84
00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm here, I'm present here. You know, if I'm

85
00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,200
Speaker 1: driving on the highway, I honestly don't mind being stuck

86
00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,640
Speaker 1: in traffic because I can look around and see the

87
00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,560
Speaker 1: scenery and I can see the valley and I can

88
00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,560
Speaker 1: see the palm trees, and I'm like, I'm here, I'm present.

89
00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,880
Speaker 1: And I have that feeling more often here than I

90
00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,440
Speaker 1: did when I was in New York, and it could

91
00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,320
Speaker 1: just be where I was in my life at that time.

92
00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,040
Speaker 1: I was like moving, moving, moving, And I still feel

93
00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,400
Speaker 1: like I am here, but just at a different at

94
00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,160
Speaker 1: my own pace, not at the pace and energy of

95
00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,000
Speaker 1: everyone that I'm surrounded by on a regular basis. If

96
00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:26,039
Speaker 1: that makes sense, But yeah, no, it really does. I'd

97
00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,640
Speaker 1: like to focus on that word present and and and

98
00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:34,760
Speaker 1: being here. Um, by way of background, you became known

99
00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:41,359
Speaker 1: to many of us through the Paget world. How how

100
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,800
Speaker 1: is that world for a black woman in terms of

101
00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:55,680
Speaker 1: a in terms of everything and honestly being present? The

102
00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,640
Speaker 1: question is essentially, can you be present when you're constantly

103
00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,719
Speaker 1: being what you're not in who you are? And it's question, honestly.

104
00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,159
Speaker 1: So the part one of that how is pagantry as

105
00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,000
Speaker 1: a black woman, It's definitely changed a lot for the better. Um,

106
00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,080
Speaker 1: And it took a really long time to get there.

107
00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,640
Speaker 1: So when I won Miss Maryland ten U s A,

108
00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,800
Speaker 1: that was in and then you go off to the

109
00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,359
Speaker 1: national pageant, which was Miss Ta Usa two thousand intent

110
00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,960
Speaker 1: and I was crowned. I was the first black Miss

111
00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,200
Speaker 1: Maryland tin U s A and first Black Miss ten

112
00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,080
Speaker 1: Usa in a decade. So a decade is a long time.

113
00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like it when you're like living, but

114
00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,039
Speaker 1: it's a long time. I was sixteen seventeen at the time,

115
00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,880
Speaker 1: and the last time a black woman one I was

116
00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,760
Speaker 1: six or seven years old. Like that's crazy to think about, um,

117
00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,839
Speaker 1: so when I want crazy, you know, not just being

118
00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,440
Speaker 1: a black woman, but being a black woman with curbs.

119
00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:58,440
Speaker 1: It was a very difficult thing trying to explain to

120
00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:03,440
Speaker 1: people in the pageant community that I was deserving of

121
00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,880
Speaker 1: the title. And I think that as black women, we

122
00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,719
Speaker 1: have to prove ourselves all the time in every aspect

123
00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,440
Speaker 1: of everything, um, which is unfortunate. But you know, I'm

124
00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,440
Speaker 1: a lighter skin black woman. I had to explain why

125
00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,640
Speaker 1: and by explaining I don't mean by my words, but

126
00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,120
Speaker 1: like by my actions as to why I deserve to

127
00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,200
Speaker 1: be considered the first black Miss Team USA in ten

128
00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,280
Speaker 1: years because I was here and she's not black enough

129
00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:31,080
Speaker 1: to be considered that she doesn't she doesn't represent like

130
00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,240
Speaker 1: the normal black woman. I'm like, what what is that?

131
00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I can curse on here, but

132
00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to refrain, like okay, perfect, but what is

133
00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,760
Speaker 1: that mean? What is that supposed to me? And then

134
00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, on top of that, having curves, and you know,

135
00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,120
Speaker 1: at the time, to compete on the national stage, it's

136
00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,520
Speaker 1: kind of like an unspoken you have to be down

137
00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,680
Speaker 1: two side. You have to be at your lanist most

138
00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,559
Speaker 1: possible shape that you can possibly be, like not a

139
00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,240
Speaker 1: string of fat can be on you. And I'm a

140
00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,920
Speaker 1: Jamaican girl, I'm definitely I have, you know, celelite and curves,

141
00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,840
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of it. But at the time, it

142
00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,640
Speaker 1: was something that it was like, Okay, how how much

143
00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,280
Speaker 1: can we get her down? How much like how much

144
00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,760
Speaker 1: can we slum her out? How like where can we

145
00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:24,000
Speaker 1: kind of shave off the the womanly body that she

146
00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,640
Speaker 1: has at seventeen? And you know, competing next to girls

147
00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,720
Speaker 1: who are naturally a size zero double zero. You know,

148
00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm seventeen years old at the time and the youngest

149
00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,600
Speaker 1: contestant is fourteen, so I'm, you know, looking like a woman.

150
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,640
Speaker 1: I'm a woman and woman a girl, like a middle

151
00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:49,080
Speaker 1: school girl. Basically, Um, that is difficult standing next to

152
00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,640
Speaker 1: someone on stage in a bikini, and you clearly have

153
00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,600
Speaker 1: different body types and it should be something that's celebrated.

154
00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,360
Speaker 1: But instead I faced a lot of backlash from pageant

155
00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,439
Speaker 1: fans in the community. They have these pad and boards

156
00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,959
Speaker 1: where people can kind of write whatever they want about

157
00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,400
Speaker 1: you for as long as they want. They probably talked

158
00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,640
Speaker 1: about me right now the second talking of course, you know,

159
00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,600
Speaker 1: that's that's something that I'm always gonna have to deal

160
00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,760
Speaker 1: with with those people. They were like, she's obese, look

161
00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,280
Speaker 1: at her, she's fat, like look at her compared to

162
00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,800
Speaker 1: the girl next to her, who was literally fifteen and

163
00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,400
Speaker 1: not even the size of my thigh. So it was

164
00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,360
Speaker 1: definitely a lot. But I I come from such a

165
00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,959
Speaker 1: strong family. My mom is such a strong woman. I

166
00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,120
Speaker 1: am lucky to have a team of people my family

167
00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:42,280
Speaker 1: that we're constantly encouraging me. I never felt there's pressure,

168
00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,719
Speaker 1: but I had never felt less than the girl who

169
00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,880
Speaker 1: was next to me. That was never something that I

170
00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,160
Speaker 1: ever thought about. I always felt that I was deserving

171
00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,160
Speaker 1: of the title, regardless of what anyone said. And because

172
00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't a part of the pageant community. That was

173
00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,280
Speaker 1: my first pageant. I had never watched pageants before. I

174
00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,240
Speaker 1: didn't know what was going on. I think I was.

175
00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't as kind of tapped into the negative side

176
00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,080
Speaker 1: of who was watching me and what they were saying.

177
00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,560
Speaker 1: Every time, Like I hear you tell the story, and

178
00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,560
Speaker 1: I've read this story, and I just think, look at God,

179
00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,680
Speaker 1: like what's for you is for you? But that's all

180
00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,800
Speaker 1: that's all you think. Like for me, that's all I

181
00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,320
Speaker 1: think when I hear that story, and and and everything

182
00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,520
Speaker 1: had to happen when it was supposed to happen. I've

183
00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,720
Speaker 1: been focusing on something that I think that we don't

184
00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,400
Speaker 1: talk about very comfortably because of the pandemic. What trauma

185
00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,680
Speaker 1: did that cost for you? I couldn't imagine. Yes I can,

186
00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,120
Speaker 1: but in a different way. Um being constantly compared to

187
00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,719
Speaker 1: someone for their size, and it we celebrate zero and

188
00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,360
Speaker 1: what in a traditional look of beauty, every woman already

189
00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,480
Speaker 1: has body issues. I don't care. I forverybody's perfect. She's like,

190
00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,000
Speaker 1: look at this cell you light right here, look at this.

191
00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,840
Speaker 1: We all have our insecurities for sure. How are you?

192
00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,360
Speaker 1: How are you healing? How are you dealing with at well?

193
00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,720
Speaker 1: When M'm still trauma, there's still it's that's it still

194
00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,839
Speaker 1: sits in your spirit. I don't care how strong you are.

195
00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And even after I gave up my title,

196
00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,080
Speaker 1: I listen, I have seen it all. I have seen it,

197
00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,880
Speaker 1: literally all of it. I was on a KKK website.

198
00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,160
Speaker 1: On the front page, they superimposed my face in my

199
00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:26,160
Speaker 1: crowning picture on an ape and wrote all these crazy,

200
00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,240
Speaker 1: horrible things about myself and my family and other black

201
00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,480
Speaker 1: contestants that were then going to be competing. Because of

202
00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,080
Speaker 1: the fact that I had one, it kind of opened

203
00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,440
Speaker 1: the door for more black girls to be crowned, because

204
00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,920
Speaker 1: at the time, only two black girls would compete on

205
00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,120
Speaker 1: the national stage, and that was like another unspoken thing

206
00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,760
Speaker 1: in addition to size. So you know, at the time,

207
00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, these people are insane, They're out of

208
00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,760
Speaker 1: their minds, like they're focused on the wrong things. And

209
00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,319
Speaker 1: I've I've always had a thick skin, and this definitely

210
00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,560
Speaker 1: because I was bullied when I was younger. I I've

211
00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,120
Speaker 1: developed the thick skin over the years, but it doesn't

212
00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,720
Speaker 1: mean that it's not affecting me in any kind of way.

213
00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,120
Speaker 1: So now as an adult, I'm twenty eight, I just

214
00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,920
Speaker 1: started therapy a few months ago. I'm so happy to

215
00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,520
Speaker 1: be in it. And something that my therapist and I

216
00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,959
Speaker 1: talked about is the masks. The masks that I've had

217
00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,440
Speaker 1: to wear pretty much since I was a teenager. Like

218
00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,760
Speaker 1: there's always this, you know, kind of barrier that I

219
00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:31,319
Speaker 1: had to create between myself and those people because people

220
00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,560
Speaker 1: are hateful, and there's a plenty of hate out there.

221
00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,760
Speaker 1: But um, and you know, now, even working as a

222
00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,880
Speaker 1: TV host and I'm on a show that airs every

223
00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,680
Speaker 1: single week, I opened myself up again to people having

224
00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,360
Speaker 1: things to say. So it's I feel like when you

225
00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,440
Speaker 1: live a public life, or even just posting anything on

226
00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,640
Speaker 1: social media and you have a public page, you open

227
00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:57,280
Speaker 1: yourself up to critique and judgment and whatever it might

228
00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,840
Speaker 1: be on their minds that day. But I can't focus

229
00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,640
Speaker 1: on that, like, I can only focus on the people

230
00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,160
Speaker 1: who love me, and the love always outweighs the hate,

231
00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,400
Speaker 1: Like no matter what. But Um, for some reason, those

232
00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:17,160
Speaker 1: hateful comments seem to scream louder than all of the

233
00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,719
Speaker 1: really positive, like lovely ones, and I wish it wasn't so.

234
00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,440
Speaker 1: But you know, you could have ninety beautiful comments from

235
00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,800
Speaker 1: people around the world saying that they love you, and

236
00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,120
Speaker 1: that one comment talking about your thighs, You'll be like,

237
00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,599
Speaker 1: I can't believe they I can't believe they came on

238
00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,160
Speaker 1: my pace because I just would never do something like that.

239
00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,240
Speaker 1: But there's people, there's a lot of hurt people out there,

240
00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:47,440
Speaker 1: so you look, you preaching to acquire that when people.

241
00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't get mad anymore. I'm very used to it.

242
00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,079
Speaker 1: But when I first started in the business, it hurt

243
00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,400
Speaker 1: my feelings a lot, like a lot, like I couldn't eat,

244
00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,480
Speaker 1: I got dwindled down. I was I literally was like

245
00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,120
Speaker 1: consumed with social media just to see who said they

246
00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,559
Speaker 1: hated me. It was it was a question. And while Um,

247
00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,560
Speaker 1: years later, I don't care, I do believe it's affected

248
00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:20,800
Speaker 1: me and and makes me think twice whether I share

249
00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,120
Speaker 1: or post or what I decided to share in post.

250
00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,480
Speaker 1: Do you feel that way about your personal life? Do

251
00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,560
Speaker 1: you have you been able to find the balance as

252
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,600
Speaker 1: you enter this TV arena, not because there's a different arena, right.

253
00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,560
Speaker 1: You leave the paget world and now you're a host

254
00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,480
Speaker 1: and you are working in a world in which you

255
00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,040
Speaker 1: are you know, you are moving the needle, you are

256
00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,520
Speaker 1: driving the conversation, you are holding the stage. Do how

257
00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,040
Speaker 1: do you balance what you share and what you don't share? Well?

258
00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,720
Speaker 1: I think so after leaving the pageant world, I went

259
00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:58,440
Speaker 1: into the modeling world fairly soon after, and I remember

260
00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,400
Speaker 1: that being more of a point of what am I

261
00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,960
Speaker 1: going to share? Because I signed with JAG Models, so

262
00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm still with and it's an agency that's inclusive of

263
00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,920
Speaker 1: all sizes, and I'm not a size zero anymore now,

264
00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm like eight, then moved on to a ten, and

265
00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm modeling in those spaces, and I remember being way

266
00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,920
Speaker 1: more consumed at that time of like, Okay, if I

267
00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,160
Speaker 1: post this photo, then the pageant boards are going to

268
00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,480
Speaker 1: pick this up and they're going to post it and

269
00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:27,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, look how fat she's gotten. She's like,

270
00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,160
Speaker 1: even though I'm making money, I'm making the most money

271
00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,880
Speaker 1: probably out of straight size models, because the curve industry

272
00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,920
Speaker 1: is plopping like booming, and anytime I go up in size,

273
00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,400
Speaker 1: I get more clients. I'm booking Macy's campaigns, I'm booking

274
00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,720
Speaker 1: Lord and Taylor. I'm like on on every single e

275
00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,400
Speaker 1: commerce website. These people can't even shop without seeing my face.

276
00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,800
Speaker 1: But still I was like, Okay, if I post that

277
00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm modeling for, you know, this client, which is like

278
00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,280
Speaker 1: a plus size technically, you know, I hate that word,

279
00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,440
Speaker 1: a plus size retailer, this is gonna go everywhere and

280
00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,040
Speaker 1: they're going to talk about me, and I'm going to

281
00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,480
Speaker 1: have to deal with that. And it finally got to

282
00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,920
Speaker 1: the point where I was like, bitch, who cares? Like

283
00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,240
Speaker 1: you're making money. You're making money and you're doing the thing,

284
00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,880
Speaker 1: and you're inspiring so many other girls who don't look

285
00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,200
Speaker 1: like that. You don't even look like that, Like that

286
00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,920
Speaker 1: is not even who you are. Like when I look

287
00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,000
Speaker 1: back at photos from that time, I'm just like, who

288
00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,000
Speaker 1: is that? Who is that girl? Because not because I

289
00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,400
Speaker 1: who I am as a person is different, because I

290
00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,720
Speaker 1: think I've always been, you know, a good person, But

291
00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,480
Speaker 1: what I look like is not at all representative of

292
00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,440
Speaker 1: of who I am. And it was what I had

293
00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,080
Speaker 1: to do to get to where I needed to go.

294
00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,640
Speaker 1: And I didn't, but it was a means to an end.

295
00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,120
Speaker 1: But it's not I don't identify with that look, and

296
00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,440
Speaker 1: there are plenty of other women out there who don't

297
00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,400
Speaker 1: identify with that look either. And even still today, I'm

298
00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,280
Speaker 1: able to create a following and a support system of

299
00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:13,280
Speaker 1: other people in general who don't fit whatever mold. Society

300
00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,920
Speaker 1: says that people who are in the public eye or

301
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,719
Speaker 1: in the media need to look like and I'm happy

302
00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,439
Speaker 1: about that. So even now, like as a host, I

303
00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,680
Speaker 1: do think about what I post, just in the sense

304
00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:32,560
Speaker 1: of now these days it's more like is this, like

305
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,200
Speaker 1: who does this benefit? Like why am I posting this?

306
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,800
Speaker 1: Selfies this? Actually, by the way, that's a great, great,

307
00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,359
Speaker 1: great way to look at it. Why Because if you

308
00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,040
Speaker 1: know why you're posting it, if it has nothing to

309
00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,000
Speaker 1: do it work or vin does have something, why am

310
00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,760
Speaker 1: I hosting it? Like sometimes sometimes it's mandatory, right, yeah,

311
00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,119
Speaker 1: But then other times it's like why am I posting this?

312
00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,080
Speaker 1: And if you ask, if you can answer that question authentically,

313
00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,080
Speaker 1: then do your thing. Yeah. But there are times when

314
00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm like about to post and I'm like, nobody cares

315
00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,720
Speaker 1: about this. This is so stupid, Like I can't even

316
00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,600
Speaker 1: come up with a caption, and sometimes I'll put in

317
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,159
Speaker 1: my caption. I don't have a caption for this. I

318
00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,840
Speaker 1: just thought I look cute and like that'll be it.

319
00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,800
Speaker 1: But like, instead of trying, I feel like there's so

320
00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,760
Speaker 1: many people who are trying to sell you some perfect

321
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,040
Speaker 1: dream of who they are as a person. And if

322
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,960
Speaker 1: I feel like crap that day, I'm not going to

323
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,200
Speaker 1: be over here posting cute pictures of me for looking

324
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,320
Speaker 1: on the beach and pretending like everything's fine, because my

325
00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,080
Speaker 1: insto story, by the way, is going to tell you

326
00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,280
Speaker 1: the real story of what I'm going through, which is

327
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,639
Speaker 1: that I'm PMS sing I'm having hot flashes, which is

328
00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,760
Speaker 1: literally currently what I'm going through. So like me posting

329
00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,200
Speaker 1: some like sexy picture in a bikini is not It's

330
00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:48,000
Speaker 1: not realistic and it doesn't correlate. Um, I like that idea,

331
00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,080
Speaker 1: and you know what, I this, This is so funny,

332
00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,720
Speaker 1: And this is for folks who are listening. I don't

333
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,440
Speaker 1: hear nothing about I don't want people posting from my

334
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,560
Speaker 1: five months ago. I don't like they're currently doing that.

335
00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,080
Speaker 1: That makes me sick to you, Yeah, sat the On

336
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,119
Speaker 1: so many occasions, social media is such a line and

337
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 1: people don't understand what the real point of that is.

338
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,639
Speaker 1: And yes, we're supposed to be cute, like don't don't

339
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,119
Speaker 1: okay with me if you like, let me put this

340
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,200
Speaker 1: up here. But end of the day, I really want

341
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,159
Speaker 1: to tell you that I'm winning in life and that

342
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,040
Speaker 1: I have to around me who support me them I'm

343
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,000
Speaker 1: trying to be a better human. And you said something

344
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,080
Speaker 1: to me that I think it's probably the most inspiring

345
00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,800
Speaker 1: thing that I've heard. I mean, everything you said has

346
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,359
Speaker 1: been inspiring, but I love when you said you hate

347
00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,560
Speaker 1: the word plus size. And if I can, and if

348
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 1: we could abolish that in an American vernacular, that'd be great.

349
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 1: Like everyone has these, everyone's coming up the lexicons different,

350
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,440
Speaker 1: everyone has a word for everything now a certain words

351
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,040
Speaker 1: you can't say and I'm not getting into it, but

352
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 1: they're like, no, this is a new word for it now,

353
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,719
Speaker 1: So tell me why you hate that word. I just

354
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, even obviously, like fashion likes to create categories.

355
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 1: So you have straight size, you have plus size, you

356
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,240
Speaker 1: have runway you and like runway and straight size are different,

357
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 1: and it's it's just like so much nonsense to say

358
00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 1: the same thing, which is this is a working model

359
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 1: that looks great, where's the clothes great? Does their job great?

360
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 1: I don't A model is a model to me, But

361
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,520
Speaker 1: I the reason why I have an issue with saying

362
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 1: plus size versus saying straight size is plus size to

363
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,199
Speaker 1: me in my mind, And there are a lot of

364
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: people who are curvy who fully embrace fat plus all

365
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 1: those they love those terms, and they they consider them

366
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 1: to be terms of endearment. For me personally, plus size

367
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 1: in my head says extra, like unwanted extras. Oh, and

368
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 1: to me it's and well, plus could be considered all well,

369
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 1: it's like an additional, but to me it's kind of

370
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: like an extra, like you're you're too much of something.

371
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 1: And I don't like that because I'm just fine where

372
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm at and I'm just right exactly how I am,

373
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: So I don't need term to give it a new term.

374
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: What would it be? Nothing? What would you You could

375
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: say curve like I mean, there's there's a clear difference

376
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 1: between a Carly Class and an Ashley Graham, Like they

377
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: look different, but they're both paid working models making plenty

378
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: of money doing incredible work. So like, a model is

379
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 1: a model, But if you're going to categorize it. I

380
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: think I don't think there's anything wrong with saying this

381
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: is a runway model, and this is a curve model.

382
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 1: But plus size to me, like even just when you're

383
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: when you think about shopping, when you think about where

384
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 1: the plus size section is in the store compared to

385
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: where everything else is, it's kind of in the back

386
00:21:52,600 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: in the dark corner, collecting dust, right exactly. Well, all

387
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,959
Speaker 1: the people go ahead, right with the mannequins, the other mannequins,

388
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: but no, they're like in a corner, or like upstairs

389
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 1: in the back by the backstock. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

390
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: that's not where we're meant to be. So you already

391
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 1: know what you're what your colleague is, right, you lean

392
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: in because I am I swear to God, I'm I

393
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: have intuition and I figured this, and I don't care

394
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 1: if you think you're not doing this, but this is

395
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: what I see you doing. Changing that world. I would

396
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: love to like literally the way that we have people

397
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 1: protesting for Black Lives matter. You're changing the vernacular. It's

398
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 1: there are certain words we can no longer use towards people.

399
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: When we are addressing people, you can no longer say

400
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: plus size, it's curvy, and guess what I walk in there?

401
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 1: I better see a curvy model at the front, right

402
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 1: next to the thin model, and my clothes better be

403
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: in the front with well, with good lighting. I can

404
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: you creating an entire campaign dedicated just to that and

405
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: making it just as politically correct, like because that's what

406
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: it should be like like I I feel, that's literally

407
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: how I feel. And also because you know, not for nothing,

408
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 1: I'm a size eight ten still, and I think that

409
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: it's a slap in the face for me to be

410
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: considered in the same category. It's a slap in the

411
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: face to women who are a size eighteen twenty to

412
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: have to shop and they see me modeling clothes that

413
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: are meant for them, like I just as a model,

414
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 1: it I felt I felt like I was deceiving people

415
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: by modeling in a world where like I'm having to

416
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: wear padding to look bigger to appeal to women who

417
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: are the national average and size, which is sixteen and up.

418
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: Something about it just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm

419
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: all about, let's normalize the sizes in size exactly to

420
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: six is where we should live exactly with you. Let's

421
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: normalize what we are exactly. Let's bring that back and

422
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: let people feel good about shopping, because I don't think

423
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: a woman who's a size twenty should not have to

424
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: buy a shirt that is on me. She should be

425
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: able to buy a shirt that is on a woman

426
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: who is a size twenty where she can see exactly

427
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: what it's going to look like on her. I don't.

428
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm not here for like this deceiving fashion industry that's

429
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: always trying to make things look like one thing when

430
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't even like shopping as a size

431
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: ten and I'm shopping on a girl who's a size

432
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: double zero, and I'm like, what that's And we got

433
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 1: this a whole another about body issues, like women in general.

434
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: We can talk about that all day because I can.

435
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: I could join in and say some stuff, and I

436
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: and someone who's listening to like both of you guys,

437
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: just be quiet everything because some people are fine with it, yeah,

438
00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: and well, or it's about perspective. Some people are very

439
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: comfortable in their own skin, or some people wish they

440
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: could be in your skin and thank god she's so small,

441
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: like it really, like, yes, I am upset that you

442
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: are considered a curvy model. You're so skinny, like you know,

443
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 1: so I think I hate how we the labels in

444
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: general are unfortunate. And if we move into a world

445
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: where we where we really didn't put so much stock

446
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: and labels, we'd we'd be better. I think I think

447
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: that you're amazing, and I've already said that I would

448
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: love to do like a rapid fire with you, if

449
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: that's okay. Oh my god, I love rapid fire. Do

450
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: you really? I'm afraid I'm afraid one might come out

451
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: of my mouth, but I love rapid fire. Okay, Well

452
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: we won't. We won't. And by the way, just so

453
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: you know, you know, she has said this, ladies and gentlemen,

454
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: she's also catfish. We love catfish. It's been on for

455
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: a while. And how long have you been hosting for

456
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: the beginning of this year? Two years? How long has

457
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: it been It has been I think two solid years

458
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: of me being a permanent co host. Yeah, a permano. Okay, So,

459
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: first of all the things that you post on our

460
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: I g. You guys have to follow her on her Instagram.

461
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: I'm locked in just by the teasers. Who cut those

462
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 1: damn teases? Don't answer that, but I'm like I'm like,

463
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: what what what happened? You know, by the way, I mean,

464
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: it's not like we don't know what's going to happen,

465
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: but we're still like what right it was? I mean,

466
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: you never Honestly, I don't expect. I come in with

467
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: zero expectations, zero expectations. Really I can't. I can't. Every

468
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: champion and care. Every champion is to be a champion,

469
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 1: a champion and carry Chappion and carry Chapion the champion

470
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: and carry Chappion and carry Chappion rates and sports, and

471
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: then the taming can make it work. Every champion and

472
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: carry champion is to be a champion, a champion, they

473
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: carry CHAPPI and they champion, They carry Chappion and carry

474
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: champion sports, and then the taming can make it warm.

475
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: And do you remember that song? It has nothing to

476
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: do what we're talking about, But John had a song

477
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: called um um these girls be doing research, And I

478
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: was like, it is a fact, what time and exactly

479
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: and how and what they were wearing who they were

480
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 1: with um latitude longitude. I can find it, and I

481
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: will and I always do. I had a girlfriend one

482
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: time she was at her boyfriend's house. They were he

483
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: was knocked out sleeping and something wasn't feeling right. You

484
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: talked about somebody doing some research. She grabbed his phone,

485
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: unplugged it. She pretinued, and she put his finger on

486
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: the iPhone home but to to to reveal what's been going.

487
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: I was like, don't do it. I was something. Of

488
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: course she did. You if you buy something, you look,

489
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: you can look, you can buy something. You always will.

490
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: I was like, you are a hardcore investigator. I was like,

491
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: I would. I would be terrified that he would wake

492
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: up mid like finger point, like what do you do?

493
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: But she is better than me for actually finding proof,

494
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: because I'm the type to say that I have proof

495
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: even if I have nothing, I will say. I will

496
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: be like, no, I already know, and I know exactly what.

497
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: You could try to fool me if you want, But

498
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: I already know exactly who we were talking to. I

499
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: know exactly. Yeah, you might as well just come out

500
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: and say it, and then that's how I find out

501
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: everything I didn't know. Then you're dealing with some good

502
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: guys because I don't listen. I tried that before. It

503
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: is poker, Like, what are you talking about? Did not?

504
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: Did not? Never? Um, okay, a rapid fire. Your dream

505
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: car a rangerover white with tan interior. Have you thought

506
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: about it? Yes? But every day, every day I have

507
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: to dream right now and I love her, but like

508
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, I really want like my mom car eventually. Right. Um,

509
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: your dream vacation home, where would it be? I have

510
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: to say, I love Cabo. I've been a Cabo like

511
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: three times recently and I'm going back again in two

512
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: weeks and I love it. There. Okay, your dream wedding

513
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: scenario if you want to get married, Oh, yes, of course.

514
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: Well I have a whole entire folder on Instagram that

515
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: could tell you exactly what I want for my invitations,

516
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: from my gown, for my bridesmaids, everything. Um, but are

517
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: we talking about venue? Yeah? I'm still debating an outdoor venue.

518
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: I sweat a lot, so I don't know if I

519
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: want to be inside or outside or a combination of

520
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: the two. Um, but I do know that I wanted

521
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: to be stunning. Everything has to be stunnying. I have

522
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: my colors blush, like an ivory cream blush and bashful.

523
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: I like, yes, exactly, like a nice romantic tone. But

524
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: my boyfriend really loves blue. So I'm thinking about possibly

525
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: incorporating some kind of navy. I know it's not rapid fire,

526
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: but that's that's where and gold. I don't mind get

527
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: to the details because I think you're like, girl, have

528
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: I thought about it? It's a photo waiting, don't you

529
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: say rabbing fire? But hold on? Yes, I got the

530
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: engagement ring in my mind. Everything I know exactly exactly,

531
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: and I have to pick the engagement ring. I love

532
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: you for your out because I don't even think about it.

533
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Whatever you want, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

534
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it. And also, like I told

535
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: my boyfriend the other day because we were talking about

536
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: wedding planning, and I was like, you know, the group

537
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: is interchangeable. The plans are still the same. But I

538
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: love you, but the plans are the plants. So if

539
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: you can't make it, that's cool. Your dream job exactly

540
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, but just expanding on it more so.

541
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: I want to be the person who when you walk

542
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: into Target, you see my face in the baby section.

543
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: I have a section in the cookware, I have a

544
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: section in the beauty section. I have a section like

545
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: literally all over the place. That's what I want to do. Yeah,

546
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: conglomerate building. This enterprise is dynasty. UM, your dream for

547
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: the country in which we live in? Oh Lord, see

548
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: that's not rapid fire, that's uh, that's a deep cut. Um. God,

549
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: Can we start with the most basic thing. I would

550
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: love for everyone to be able to prioritize their health

551
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: UM and be able to do that without an added cost.

552
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: So I'm all for, you know, a free healthcare system

553
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: that actually works and operates, and specifically in Los Angeles,

554
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: from what I've seen, our homelessness population is it's really

555
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: really upsetting to see there. You can't drive down one

556
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: block without seeing people who you know, really really need help.

557
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: And I think and talking about creating systems where we

558
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: can have more UM people and facilities put in place

559
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: to be able to help people who are struggling with

560
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: mental illness and homelessness. I think that we need more

561
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: of that. UM. There's so much, God, there's so many things.

562
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: There's so many things. I would love to see Black

563
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: people not being UM murdered by police officers. I would

564
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: love to see UM, black and brown people of color,

565
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: Indigenous people not being UM discriminated against for any reason. UM.

566
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: I would like to be able to wear my hair, however,

567
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: I want to wear it and not think about it.

568
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: Even if I'm at uh Neem and Marcus. I would

569
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: love to not have to think that I have to

570
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: put off my best jewels and bag to shopping without

571
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: being followed. Um, there's a lot of things that I

572
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: would love, but you essentially like, I want equality in

573
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: every aspect, guess, in every institution, in every aspect of

574
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: this country that we live in. And I think that's

575
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful. I think it's absolutely beautiful. And yeah,

576
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: and I would love for people to be more understanding

577
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: of l g B t QI plus issues and open

578
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: and I just want people to not be so stuck

579
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: in what they know to be true because it's their

580
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 1: personal experience, and broaden their minds and open themselves up

581
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: to the idea that there are other people that exist

582
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: in this world outside of you. So it's it seems

583
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: like it's an easy thing to do, but some people

584
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: are so stuck in their ways and in their own

585
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: world that they never leave their bubble to consider or

586
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: the way that other people are living. And I'm an

587
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: EmPATH at heart, so I just naturally feel It's like,

588
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: even if I'm driving down the street. I will see

589
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: other cars and be like, I wonder what they're going through. Like,

590
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: there's just so many people with so many emotions who

591
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: are dealing with so many things, and I think that

592
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: it's important to just consider that and like have empathy

593
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: for people even when they're acting crazy out in the streets.

594
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's easy to look and stare and laugh,

595
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: but like, these are people who are having human experiences also,

596
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: and we never know what people are going through. That's

597
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: my ted talk. I'm not no, honestly, I'm not being funny.

598
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: I was like, I just love her heart, I love

599
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: your heart, thank you, And I hope that I don't.

600
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: I hope that it comes through. I don't. I'm I'm

601
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: a big fan of just letting the person be the person,

602
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: and I didn't. You and I have never interacted, but

603
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: I could tell that you have a good soul and

604
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: you've been in l A for how many years? Three

605
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: and they haven't turned you. I know, I know if

606
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: New York didn't tell me, New York should have made me, like,

607
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, I will be stepping over people on the

608
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: street and not even paying attention to anybody. But you

609
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: know what I think New York. It's a bad rap

610
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: in that sense because it's literally like life or death.

611
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: You can't be looking at anybody strange and the eye

612
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: late night on the subway. You know, here I have

613
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: more time to observe. I have more time to look around. Yeah,

614
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: and be safe with it. Exactly what can you tell

615
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: us before we go? What projects you're working on? Anything

616
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: that you want to tell us or no, yes, okay, good?

617
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: Well I teased it on my page, but I've been

618
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: like keeping it a secret on Instagram but telling it

619
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: everywhere else. I have a podcast that I'm launching. Hey,

620
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be you. You got your girl, and you

621
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: will be killing it. Tell me the name. It's called

622
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: All the Relationship, and it's basically about yes, relationships, the good, bad,

623
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: and the shitty, because we all have them, and but

624
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: not just romantic relationships. Um, it's an advice podcast that's

625
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: going to focus on all relationships, so coworker relationships, roommates,

626
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: family dynamics, and you know, different things that we all

627
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: go through. I can't tell you how many times during

628
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: the pandemic I have DM conversations with people all the

629
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: time who are like, I'm dealing with this, especially during

630
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: the new wave of Black Lives Matter. I got a

631
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: lot of you know, white girls, am, guys, everybody in

632
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: my d MS being like, I'm trying to talk to

633
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: my racist uncle about Black lives matter. It's it's getting

634
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: so frustrating. What do I do? And like, I'm coaching

635
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: these people through these conversations, and you know, while that's

636
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: more of a serious topic, I want to talk about

637
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: things like how to deal with you know, your coworker

638
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: that is constantly up your butt about hanging out and

639
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: going a happy hour and you know, damn well you

640
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: don't want to hang out with her, or you know,

641
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: your roommates, if you have a producer named Triple who

642
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: is mean perfect do you? I I'm sorry, okay, right,

643
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: I know I'm going Can you have me as a

644
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: guest because I I really gotta work on that, Thank

645
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: you exactly. So that's that's what I want to talk about,

646
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: because you know, we often like romantic relationships are great,

647
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: but when I found out that you are more likely

648
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,479
Speaker 1: to have your best friend outlive your spouse, I was like,

649
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: these are the relationships that we also need to make

650
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: sure that we're cultivating and working on. And if they

651
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: have to go, then they have to go, And like

652
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: that also needs to be discussed because I've dropped plenty

653
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: of friends in my life, um for good and bad reasons.

654
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes you need help with when you're

655
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: in a situation, you need help trying to navigate through it.

656
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: And I'm happy to give my real, raw, honest advice.

657
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: So I'm really really excited. You are really wise. Why

658
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: is beyond your years beautiful inside and out? I mean sunny.

659
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 1: If you guys listen, follow my book on Instagram, Cammy Crawford.

660
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: She's stunning, and I thank you for blessing us with

661
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: your beautiful soul. I mean, I wish that we could

662
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: keep talking for the rest of the word. I could

663
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: talk to you for two hours and they'd be like

664
00:38:27,520 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: very you know, we only do forty five In the podcast,