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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, and welcome to the podcast. I was going
Speaker 2: to go for a really Robert Evans intro there, but
Speaker 2: I bottled it. I own a coward and I couldn't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: I hate all of you.
Speaker 2: It's Margaret Kiljoy, everyone here to spread the good news.
Speaker 3: I was trying to rap at Evans that.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, yeah, and it doesn't he only hate a
Speaker 2: certain percentage of them, all right, Statistically speaking.
Speaker 3: He likes some of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And because I know some nice people list in
Speaker 2: there Robert likes. Maybe it's you, maybe it's not. You'll
Speaker 2: never know. Today we're not here to talk about who
Speaker 2: Robert Evans likes. But we are here to talk about
Speaker 2: what to do if your house is going to burn
Speaker 2: down or you have to leave because they think it
Speaker 2: might burn down. This is obviously a topic that is
Speaker 2: front of mind for people in southern California currently, given
Speaker 2: the massive wildfires that have engulfed whole neighborhoods of Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: There are fires in Ventura and Start as well. Now
Speaker 2: the whole of East County San Diego is under a
Speaker 2: red flag warning. Fire conditions continue because climate change continues,
Speaker 2: and we have decided as a society not to do
Speaker 2: anything about that, and so this shit is going to
Speaker 2: be the rest of our lives.
Speaker 3: If you're on the East Coast or somewhere else and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I'm fine, I'm not on the West Coast,
Speaker 3: bad news for you. You're not fine. Slowly, more and
Speaker 3: more the East Coast, including the northeast, is being seen
Speaker 3: as a fire prone area, and we're seeing an increase
Speaker 3: in fire out east as well.
Speaker 2: Yeap, the United Kingdom as wildfires now a thing did
Speaker 2: not exist.
Speaker 3: Do you all even have wild over there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? We have like land owned by the monarch fires,
Speaker 2: we have like parks and protected land. We don't really have.
Speaker 2: We have commons to a degree, but not not like
Speaker 2: public land of the US does. Like when I was
Speaker 2: a kid, we used to burn the stuff into draw fields.
Speaker 2: Like that's how how a few fucks we gave about fires.
Speaker 2: We just burn it in a plat back in and
Speaker 2: air quality. I guess that is not a thing that
Speaker 2: people engage in anymore.
Speaker 3: That's probably for the best.
Speaker 2: Fire it's coming for you. It's happening everywhere. Hooray, hooray. Yeah,
Speaker 2: lucky you. The cleansing fire. I feel like there's a
Speaker 2: John Betchaman poem I could go off with here, but
Speaker 2: I'll spare you all right. So, if you are in
Speaker 2: a place where you are very likely to have to
Speaker 2: evacuate your home soonish for a fire, here are some
Speaker 2: things that you may wish to consider doing. I've harvested
Speaker 2: these from mutual a groups in LA and from the
Speaker 2: Cowfire website, where they give you advice on what to
Speaker 2: do if you're evacuating. The first thing that you want
Speaker 2: to do is turn off your gas. For those of
Speaker 2: you who are not familiar, this is a flammable substance,
Speaker 2: and your gas pipe rupturing and then catching on fire
Speaker 2: would be bad, would be sad. It's pretty easy to
Speaker 2: do this. Normally, you should have a valve near the meter.
Speaker 2: Some places we'll have what's called earth quake shut off
Speaker 2: or an earthquake valve where you won't need a tool.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that. In fact, i'm pretty certain those
Speaker 2: are not mandatory, even in California, because I've lived places
Speaker 2: that don't have them. Then again, there are things that
Speaker 2: are mandatory that landlords just aren't doing. I think we
Speaker 2: all know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like grandfathered into or whatever. M hmm yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, given that people outside California are listening and the
Speaker 2: earthquakes are are fortunately not coming for us all just yet,
Speaker 2: I would just suggest that you try and find where
Speaker 2: your gas shut off is now. It's often where the
Speaker 2: gas comes into the property, like there's a gas meter,
Speaker 2: and normally you're going to need some kind of tool
Speaker 2: to term that. What I've used normally is just like
Speaker 2: an adjustable spanner or wrench. For those of you in
Speaker 2: the United States.
Speaker 3: The people at California that you're talking to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yeah, Hi, fellow Californians. You can turn that
Speaker 2: valve so it turns parallel with the pipe. That's kind
Speaker 2: of shut off the gas coming into your house.
Speaker 3: Do you mean a perpendicular to the pipe. I'm curious.
Speaker 2: I think parallel is shut off.
Speaker 3: Interesting with water, you turn it off by moving a perpendicular.
Speaker 3: I've never messed with a gas line. I've lived weird
Speaker 3: and off grid instead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me have a look. I'm checking now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it wants to be at ninety degrees to the pipe. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it should be in line with the pipe when
Speaker 2: you start in ninety degrees to the pipe when you
Speaker 2: turn it off, which you.
Speaker 3: Can just kind of imagine as like when it's in line,
Speaker 3: you can imagine like, oh, that's how the gas and
Speaker 3: water can flow through, and then when it's to the side,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, now it's blocking it. That's how I yeah,
Speaker 3: I remember.
Speaker 2: That's much easier visually if you imagine like the hole
Speaker 2: in the valve lining up with the handle.
Speaker 3: Thing on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you want to turn that off? I've seen
Speaker 2: some suggestions that you want to turn water off. Generally,
Speaker 2: the advice is not to turn your water off, and
Speaker 2: to hook up your outdoor hoses to your outdoor taps
Speaker 2: such that they can be used if they need to
Speaker 2: be used. I have seen some suggestions to turn water
Speaker 2: off because I guess people's pipes are bursting, which is
Speaker 2: decreasing water pressure.
Speaker 3: And it seems like that's probably a like city versus
Speaker 3: rural or like city the city kind of divide. You
Speaker 3: should listen to your local authorities around this kind of thing, right,
Speaker 3: Like in the case of California, you can go to
Speaker 3: CalFire right and there will be evacuation advice on the
Speaker 3: CalFire website.
Speaker 2: There might even be on your city website. Some of
Speaker 2: it is useful. This is a useful thing if you
Speaker 2: do need to turn off your water. Again, water shut
Speaker 2: offs could be in a variety of places, so it
Speaker 2: kind of depends. Especially if you're on a well, you're
Speaker 2: probably row and if you're roll, you're probably going to
Speaker 2: be leaving it on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably turning off your water. Yeah, but if
Speaker 3: you do need to do it's just a pipe going
Speaker 3: into your basement that you turned it on.
Speaker 2: You can sometimes be at the side of your house.
Speaker 2: You might need to give this a little bit of
Speaker 2: WD forty. Sometimes do a little little plastic box as well,
Speaker 2: and the little plastic box has a little hole and
Speaker 2: you kind of have to shove a screwdriver in that
Speaker 2: hole and pop it open.
Speaker 3: We're now talking about city water again, right, municipal water, Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's city water. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where if you have a water meat box
Speaker 2: it could and the shut offs in there. Familiarize yourself
Speaker 2: with that stuff now so that you're not doing it
Speaker 2: in a panic later, And that's kind of where a
Speaker 2: lot of what we're talking about today is. It's important.
Speaker 2: It's if you do it now, you don't have to
Speaker 2: dash about your house grabbing thinking. It's just important do
Speaker 2: I need this?
Speaker 3: Do I need that? Right?
Speaker 2: Because like I've evacuated for wildfires living in California a
Speaker 2: few times. I like to think I have it pretty
Speaker 2: down now, but definitely the first time I was, you know,
Speaker 2: freshly minted European migrant, it was not familiar with this stuff,
Speaker 2: and it definitely just ran around grabbing things.
Speaker 3: So it turned out to be the wrong thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, cool, I've got three bicycles here, let me
Speaker 2: let me go to the shelter.
Speaker 3: And you can get something called a water key or
Speaker 3: a silcock key. And I have a thing I have
Speaker 3: not personally used it. I have a thing called an
Speaker 3: eight way key. Sometimes they are called four way keys,
Speaker 3: depends on how many little wrenches on them are on them.
Speaker 3: And these are just cheap things that have like basically
Speaker 3: all of the weird wrench style things that you would
Speaker 3: never otherwise use, like all the weird like triangle things.
Speaker 3: They can get you into like the boxes on a
Speaker 3: subway car, and they can turn on and off water,
Speaker 3: like I carry one in case you know, you're in
Speaker 3: the apocalypse and you need to turn on the water
Speaker 3: at a rest area, you know, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: I've first learned about this from squatters, so it would
Speaker 3: just move into houses and then turn the water on.
Speaker 3: And they they're built in specialized ways to try and
Speaker 3: prevent squatter from doing exactly what I'm describing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you couldn't use your standard socket set or
Speaker 2: what happens. So that's where you need these specialized keys. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they're not very expensive you can buy.
Speaker 3: They're also not very high quality. This isn't the kind
Speaker 3: of thing you're going to want to use over and
Speaker 3: over again. They're usually cast and like they break, it's
Speaker 3: like pot metal. Yeah exactly. Yeah, but they're are right
Speaker 3: as far as I can tell. Yeah, and any you
Speaker 3: hope you're not going to need to use them very much.
Speaker 3: Other things that you should turn on or off, turn
Speaker 3: off your air conditioning. No one's in the house anyway,
Speaker 3: don't need it. I would consider leaving your exterior lights on.
Speaker 3: This is just going to help firefight to see things
Speaker 3: and see your house in the event that your house
Speaker 3: is still there. You can close your windows and doors.
Speaker 3: It's amazing how much difference closed doors even internally make
Speaker 3: it in fire spread that There are plenty of videos
Speaker 3: you can watch about this online, but like it's amazing
Speaker 3: how much difference it makes having those closed. But you
Speaker 3: don't want to lock your front door like you're going
Speaker 3: to see a lot of stuff about looting. I will
Speaker 3: tell you right now that the people who are looting
Speaker 3: from wildfire survivors are the landlords who are charging one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty percent of the rent that they were
Speaker 3: a month ago for people to find a flaceplace to live. Also,
Speaker 3: if my house is about to burn down and you
Speaker 3: go steal all my stuff, good have it?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, lucky you like I hope you don't get burned,
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, compared to if a firefighter needs to
Speaker 2: enter that house to prevent it burning down. It takes
Speaker 2: a meaningful amount of time to break down a door, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you can save that time by leaving it open.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that is something that I think you will
Speaker 2: get the wrong impression of if you're watching too much
Speaker 2: corporate news. If you can close metal shutters on your
Speaker 2: windows but remove curtains, flammable things near windows generally not
Speaker 2: a good idea, right, that makes sense. So if you've
Speaker 2: got fabric curtains, I know they look nice, but take
Speaker 2: them down. But you could just live like me and
Speaker 2: never purchase curtains and just I don't have to have
Speaker 2: the sun in your face. You know what is happening
Speaker 2: to right now? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to start a whole interior design thing.
Speaker 3: And when I see James interior design where you hang
Speaker 3: your curtains.
Speaker 2: Yeah, James's effectively squatting in a house that he actually rents.
Speaker 2: You should also move flammable items into the middle of
Speaker 2: the room again, right, that's where the fire is not.
Speaker 2: And then before you go, choose an outfit that covers
Speaker 2: your legs and arms. Right, and you want to wear
Speaker 2: some sturdy shoes as well, something that's comfortable, something you
Speaker 2: could potentially sleep in and wear for a few days
Speaker 2: and not be uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Shoes that you could walk in. Right.
Speaker 2: We saw a lot of people in la weren't able
Speaker 2: to take their vehicles as far as they had expected
Speaker 2: to be able to, and so having a pair of
Speaker 2: shoes that you're comfortable in, your nice, comfy walking shoes
Speaker 2: is definitely a useful thing to have something to think about.
Speaker 2: I hope you're not listening to this dashing around your
Speaker 2: house if you are, best of luck, Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know you can prepare all this stuff now for
Speaker 2: the outside of your house. Flammable stuff that might catch
Speaker 2: outside your house is best either bought inside inside your
Speaker 2: shed if you have a shed or a garage or something,
Speaker 2: or in a particularly California piece of advice, CalFire suggests
Speaker 2: chucking your path to your furniture in the pool. So
Speaker 2: that is the thing that you can do. That makes
Speaker 2: some sense, it does. Have you seen the picture of
Speaker 2: this lady in the nineties who put all her fine
Speaker 2: china in her swimming pool before evacuating in a wildfire.
Speaker 3: Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very like of the time, Like it was
Speaker 2: a time when people could afford swimming pools, and also
Speaker 2: people had china that they cared about, which is something
Speaker 2: that our generation generally does not.
Speaker 3: Unless they inherited it from their parents, and in which
Speaker 3: case they still also yeah right they have like one plate.
Speaker 2: Yeah yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. Apparently it's a big issue
Speaker 2: with people like inheriting china and not want to get
Speaker 2: in and just dumping on good wiels.
Speaker 3: Yeah I believe that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. So, yeah, you can put
Speaker 2: stuff in your pool if you don't want to burn.
Speaker 2: If it is possible for you to do that you
Speaker 2: have something you mentioned Margaret about you your fence right
Speaker 2: living in a more rural setting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can I actually just kind of like really quickly
Speaker 3: run through some if you fire protecting your house. There's
Speaker 3: two things you're gonna do. One is the oh, I'm
Speaker 3: going to run away now version, and then there's the
Speaker 3: ahead of time version. The really quick basic version of
Speaker 3: the ahead of time is that, and this is more
Speaker 3: applicable rurally. But you want to have a defensible space.
Speaker 3: You know, everyone's going to give you a different number,
Speaker 3: but like one hundred feet from your house. You don't
Speaker 3: want densely packed trees, especially conifers, and you're gonna want
Speaker 3: you know, the one tree is okay as long as
Speaker 3: it's a little bit further from the other. You're gonna
Speaker 3: want to clear out yard debris, even though leaving leaves
Speaker 3: on the ground is overall good, kind of want to
Speaker 3: create this space where there's not a lot of leaf
Speaker 3: litter and things like that directly under your house so
Speaker 3: that the eaves don't catch. You want to make sure
Speaker 3: that you don't keep a lot of flammable stuff there.
Speaker 3: And if like if I was fleeing my house in
Speaker 3: a hurry, I would be pulling all the stuff away
Speaker 3: from under the eaves that I should have pulled away
Speaker 3: from under the eaves months ago. If I were to
Speaker 3: design my house better, there would be a basically a
Speaker 3: three foot like gravel line around the edge of my
Speaker 3: house right of landscaping. Yeah, But the other things that
Speaker 3: you're going to want to do is you're going to
Speaker 3: want to look for how embers can get in through
Speaker 3: the vents and stuff like in your roof area or
Speaker 3: under wherever. And you're gonna want to basically make sure
Speaker 3: and it might already have that, but you want to
Speaker 3: make sure that there's tighter than chicken wire. I think
Speaker 3: it's I think you want quarter inch mesh covering those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like construction netting. Yeah, well metal, but yeah, it's
Speaker 2: metals the name of it. Oh okay, it's what they
Speaker 2: put into concrete. I think I use it to build
Speaker 2: chicken Oh yeah, runs for some reasons. Well, yeah, because
Speaker 2: raccoon hans can't get through it, and raccoons they're bastards
Speaker 2: as it turns out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. If your porch is wooden, you
Speaker 3: have a porch, you don't want fire to get underneath it,
Speaker 3: and so you can keep your wooden porch, but you
Speaker 3: want to screen off underneath of it to keep flaming
Speaker 3: debris from going under there. And then if you have
Speaker 3: a wooden fence, consider having the first ten feet or
Speaker 3: so of the fence the brick or something like that.
Speaker 3: I can't afford this, but imagine you can. Then you
Speaker 3: would want the first chunk of it to be that way.
Speaker 3: If you have gates, you open them. The deal with
Speaker 3: fences and everything is that you don't want like a
Speaker 3: wick that brings fire to your house. So if the
Speaker 3: forest around you is burning, you don't want it to
Speaker 3: catch your fence and have that go right up to
Speaker 3: under the eaves, catch the eaves on fire. And now
Speaker 3: I you have a structure fire. So what you're gonna
Speaker 3: do is you open the gates if you're leaving. And then,
Speaker 3: for example, my plan, because I have a wooden fence
Speaker 3: that goes all the way up to my house, is
Speaker 3: that if I have more than like five minutes to
Speaker 3: flee a fire, by a half an hour to flee
Speaker 3: a fire, I am taking the chainsaw and I am
Speaker 3: cutting down about ten feet of that wooden fence before
Speaker 3: I leave, And that should dramatically increase the chances that
Speaker 3: my house will survive a fire. Yeah, smart move. And
Speaker 3: then another thing with a pool thing, And I think
Speaker 3: I've read about, but I've never there's no version of
Speaker 3: my life where I'm ever gonna have a pool if
Speaker 3: you live in a fire prone area. They actually make
Speaker 3: pumps that are designed to pump your pool water into
Speaker 3: a fire hose, and they have saved a lot of
Speaker 3: rural areas and probably city areas too by having that
Speaker 3: accessible to firefighters. Immediately, your pool can become a resource
Speaker 3: for the people who are coming in to try and
Speaker 3: keep your house intact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, amusingly, we use one of those. When I was
Speaker 2: a kid, we had a whole wow like to get out,
Speaker 2: and one day she got out. We all went looking
Speaker 2: for of course, there were some wealthy people who like well,
Speaker 2: they didn't live in the village that we lived in.
Speaker 2: They owned it because Britain has never moved on from
Speaker 2: this Ugal era, and they had a pool and that
Speaker 2: that was where our horse was. And so the fire
Speaker 2: brigade came and they used one of those things, just
Speaker 2: pumped out the water and just like host down the
Speaker 2: surrounding garden. And then we came with the tractor and
Speaker 2: we put some different strawbeles of different sizes, made a
Speaker 2: set of stairs and got her out.
Speaker 3: That's the least relatable story I've ever heard about England.
Speaker 2: It's in yeah, just like a rural people living the dream. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was a good horse, misty. Yeah, we had a
Speaker 2: lot of horses that, like, we had access to land
Speaker 2: and not a great deal of finances, so we inherited
Speaker 2: problematic horses. I think for people who had like who
Speaker 2: had the means to purchase.
Speaker 3: That is relatable to the Americans. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, any people find themselves in this situation, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Horse poor is a whole thing. Yeah it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's the rich people who buy fancy
Speaker 2: horses and then like find the horse not to their
Speaker 2: liking and can afford to discard a living thing spent
Speaker 2: more than a car is worth on.
Speaker 3: Well and also, I mean, horse poor is you have
Speaker 3: a horse, but you don't have any money, and you're like,
Speaker 3: you're partly poor because you have the horse. Because horses
Speaker 3: are incredibly expensive to ye maintain, Yes, they are. Vets
Speaker 3: cost a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah anyway, so yeah, make sure not quite a horse relation.
Speaker 2: But if you are more of a horseless carriage transport person.
Speaker 2: If you are, this is a very American thing. In
Speaker 2: possession of an electric garage door opener, it is a
Speaker 2: good idea to work out how to open your garage
Speaker 2: without that. Yeah, because you don't want to be in
Speaker 2: a situation where you can't use your vehicle because you
Speaker 2: can't open your garage, or you don't want to be
Speaker 2: dashing around going where's the bloody cord? Not the time, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so work out how to do it now. Also, your
Speaker 2: front gate. Hopefully you don't live in a gated community.
Speaker 2: It's not the way to live. But if you do,
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, you know, know how to open the gates.
Speaker 2: Or if you have an electric front gates, you're drive
Speaker 2: I suppose know how to open that, Margaret. Now will
Speaker 2: be a good time for us to pause for ads.
Speaker 2: I wonder if we will get an advert for electric
Speaker 2: garage doors.
Speaker 3: Or electric horse. Oh yeah, maybe do they dream of
Speaker 3: electra care.
Speaker 2: We'll find out in its advertising break. All right, we
Speaker 2: are back, and we're continuing on the theme of animals
Speaker 2: because they are.
Speaker 3: Our little friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you have animals inside your house, pets
Speaker 2: We have farm animals inside my house growing up, so
Speaker 2: I guess it's not exclusive to pets. Used to bring
Speaker 2: the lambs in when it was cold, little often lambs. Again,
Speaker 2: this is turning into like James story.
Speaker 3: That's okay, it's cute stories.
Speaker 2: People who are in possession of a range, like like
Speaker 2: a big cooking if you have a very old house
Speaker 2: in the UK, or again if you're rich, you have
Speaker 2: these like coal burning or oil burning ovens, so they
Speaker 2: stay at his temperature, and they have a number of doors.
Speaker 2: The coldest one you can put a lamb in there
Speaker 2: in the winter time and you can keep it warm
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 3: Like in a live one.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, well I mean any of them. You
Speaker 2: can put a dead one in if you felt the knee.
Speaker 2: If you look at you're saying okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. If you're looking to take care of your animal,
Speaker 2: you put them in there and keep the More so,
Speaker 2: if you have pets in your house, things to do
Speaker 2: before you evacuate would be make sure they have a
Speaker 2: collar on which has your name and your contact information. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of the breakaway collars, especially for dogs.
Speaker 2: We never had collars on a dog showing up because
Speaker 2: the dogs were always out in the fields and going
Speaker 2: through hedges and stuff, and you don't want them to
Speaker 2: get caught up. Yeah, and so I'm a big fan
Speaker 2: of those, especially in a situation where your pet's going
Speaker 2: to be scared. You know, God forbid that you'd lose
Speaker 2: your pet goes running for a bit. You don't want
Speaker 2: them to get caught up by that neckus.
Speaker 3: W'll probably want to chip your dog as you chip
Speaker 3: your pets.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I was going to say, now it's a
Speaker 2: good time where you have the time to chip your pets,
Speaker 2: to make sure you have a carrier, make sure you
Speaker 2: have their vaccination records, all that.
Speaker 3: Stuff, and also particularly the particularly rabies vaccination is like
Speaker 3: the thing that you need to make sure that you
Speaker 3: have with you. There's a lot of places you can't
Speaker 3: go with a pet, like Canada unless you have Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully you and your pet will be fine, you'll
Speaker 2: come home in a few days. But keeping that stuff
Speaker 2: is important if you have a cat having a so
Speaker 2: what you can buy those little mobile list of boxes.
Speaker 2: If you're in danger of having to evacuate, just buy
Speaker 2: one and check in your vehicle.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Of course, any medications that your pet has, right, you'll
Speaker 2: want to have a supply of those and those who
Speaker 2: want to be in your go back. It's also nice
Speaker 2: to have some familiar toys and things that's not like home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so consider puting them in the carrier now, and then
Speaker 2: they'll just be there and you won't have to look
Speaker 2: for them. They have advice if you have to leave
Speaker 2: your pet, which would be a pretty heartbreaking situation to
Speaker 2: be honest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that choosing to be in charge of
Speaker 3: an animal's entire life is a pretty solemn vow.
Speaker 2: Yes, I would agree, and I don't think I would
Speaker 2: leave them to burn.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, but I guess there's probably I mean,
Speaker 3: you see, like for example, I know we're gonna talk
Speaker 3: about livestock in a second, but like you know, people
Speaker 3: have had to like let loose some of their horses
Speaker 3: because they can only personally escort so many horses or whatever. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few years ago, my friend and I were
Speaker 2: in a situation where a stables had more horses than
Speaker 2: it did vehicles. Yeah, and were able to go in
Speaker 2: a vehicle with a towdruck and just help, Like they
Speaker 2: would load them up and just be like go to
Speaker 2: the evacuation point with these horses. Yeah, and so having
Speaker 2: a plan.
Speaker 3: For that is good.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I know, I struggled be conceive of leaving pets.
Speaker 2: I grew up with dogs and like they were part
Speaker 2: of my family.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I suppose there's some situation I am not imagining
Speaker 3: where it is literally a necessity, but I struggle to Yeah.
Speaker 2: I heard about people in LA who were forced to
Speaker 2: leave relatives who were not mobile, which is just fucking heartbreaking,
Speaker 2: just you know, one of the worst things I could
Speaker 2: imagine happening.
Speaker 3: Which is literally why I actually think that your evacuation plans.
Speaker 3: Not trying to blame those people that we're talking about,
Speaker 3: but I believe that your evacuation plans need to include
Speaker 3: people with disabilities who are in your area, not just
Speaker 3: were you not just in your house, but elsewhere. Like yeah, hundred,
Speaker 3: if you have someone who can only travel by a wheelchair,
Speaker 3: then you should be considering for your only vehicle a
Speaker 3: wheelchair accessible vehicle. Like this is the kind of thing
Speaker 3: that I think that, like plans need to include people
Speaker 3: who are at different levels of ability.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, if you have older people in your neighborhood, Yeah,
Speaker 2: people who might not have their cell phone on or
Speaker 2: on them all the time. They might not get that
Speaker 2: like beat beat buzz buzz.
Speaker 3: Yeah. If you have like older folks who live alone
Speaker 3: in your neighborhood, you should know that.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, a few years ago I helped
Speaker 2: some older neighbors evacuate.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 2: You live in a community and you need to take
Speaker 2: responsibility and take care of one another. If you have
Speaker 2: livestock again, like you know, I grew up with livestock,
Speaker 2: I think you're taking responsibility for the animal's life, and
Speaker 2: that includes situations where you might have to help that
Speaker 2: animal escape in a way that leg is not necessarily
Speaker 2: like lucrative for you. Right, So that might just mean
Speaker 2: opening your fences, right, opening your gates if you're not
Speaker 2: able to evacuate them, or at least giving it a
Speaker 2: chance you can before just to avoid having yourself in
Speaker 2: that situation. Need to make transport arrangements. You should be
Speaker 2: able to look where large animals refuges are, like San
Speaker 2: Diego in the big fires, maybe fifteen years ago, they
Speaker 2: have them on Fiesta Island for a while. Little island
Speaker 2: out in the bay or del Mar Race Course is
Speaker 2: often a place of San Diego where you can take them.
Speaker 2: You should be able to find that now, if you're
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, you can find that. Now. Again, you're
Speaker 2: going to want to have your essential documentation. You are
Speaker 2: not going to want nylon halters for your livestock. I've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of people have, Like people have nylon
Speaker 2: lead ropes for horses. We had like more hempy ones
Speaker 2: when I was younger, just because those a much left
Speaker 2: likely to melt, right, So that's why we had them
Speaker 2: in the UK. But we had them because we'd have
Speaker 2: them for a long time. But plastic key things that
Speaker 2: can melt. You don't want to put them around your
Speaker 2: horse's head or near your horse.
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes some sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have chickens right now, you're going to
Speaker 2: run into the issue of AV and flu. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: which is a further complications. So like this is a
Speaker 2: scenario of like a big chicken shelter where you take
Speaker 2: them is not a good one for AV you and
Speaker 2: flu reasons also for like chicken dynamics reasons. So that
Speaker 2: means you should make a plan. Now, you might have
Speaker 2: a friend who you're like, hey, I know that you're
Speaker 2: not normally a poultry person, but would it be cool
Speaker 2: in the event of us having to evacuate for me
Speaker 2: and my chickens to come and stay at your house.
Speaker 2: Making a plan. Now, it's going to avoid you being
Speaker 2: in a very difficult situation of either driving around with
Speaker 2: your birds in your in your truck being like where
Speaker 2: the fuck can I go? Or like being turned away
Speaker 2: from places. Right. Yeah, The last thing I have here
Speaker 2: and then we're going to move on to packing your
Speaker 2: go bag is insurance. My house flooded when I was
Speaker 2: a kid, Like, it completely leveled the first floor of
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 3: Everything was gone, which, since it's England, is actually the
Speaker 3: second floor to Americans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. It was actually the great Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love to uh it's the ground the ground floor
Speaker 3: you have to hide on the first thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love to go into a lift and be confused
Speaker 2: in this country after sixteen years of living here, go
Speaker 2: up and down, up and down, playing this stupid game
Speaker 2: until I google what do American call their flaws? And
Speaker 2: you can't do it, so you're in the lift and
Speaker 2: your phone doesn't work. It's one of my favorite experiences.
Speaker 3: It's because you try to google what do American lifts do?
Speaker 3: And they're like What the fuck is a lik.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah yeah, an elevator. It's
Speaker 2: not an elevating experience. Away my favorite thing to pick. James,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true. Sure, I'm the only person who does it.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it never happened to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was never an issue when I worked in
Speaker 2: a building with a lift and would routinely miss my
Speaker 2: own floor.
Speaker 3: So that I just took the fire escape.
Speaker 2: So I remember it taking months the time I was
Speaker 2: working in construction, and what we were doing was for
Speaker 2: the most part, pulling wet carpet out of people's homes
Speaker 2: that have flooded. Highly recommend not doing that as a
Speaker 2: way to make a living if you can. It's not
Speaker 2: good for the body, not good for the soul, for
Speaker 2: the lung. It's probably cleaning out restaurants. Like a month
Speaker 2: later the power had been off from month. Just going
Speaker 2: into the walk in. Oh my god, I've never seen
Speaker 2: so many people vomit, like one after the other being like, no,
Speaker 2: I could do it. I'm a builder straight, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty horrific. So don't recommend if you can go around
Speaker 2: your house taking a video.
Speaker 3: Of your yeah stuffs, it will.
Speaker 2: Just make it easier, Like this happened to my family,
Speaker 2: and like maybe you know, the early two thousands, so
Speaker 2: it wasn't possible. Well, I mean I could have got
Speaker 2: the old like Sony handicam out I didn't. So now
Speaker 2: you know you have a video camera in your pocket
Speaker 2: going around your house taking a video especially of you know,
Speaker 2: the things that are expensive and hard to move that
Speaker 2: you're going to rely on insurance to replace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then this is actually a decent regular prepper
Speaker 3: practice regardless. This isn't a like, oh I'm just about
Speaker 3: to have to run out for a fire. This is
Speaker 3: a like every six months or every year, or every
Speaker 3: time you get a new, weird, expensive thing that you
Speaker 3: put in your house, make this video so that it's
Speaker 3: easier to prove all of the stuff that you had
Speaker 3: that needs to be replaced. Yeah, if you do that
Speaker 3: on a regular basis, there's a little bit of like
Speaker 3: security of like where do you put it? Do you
Speaker 3: really want? You know? But it's honestly, for almost all
Speaker 3: people probably totally fine to just have that, yeah on
Speaker 3: the cloud, Yeah yeah, I think I think it. Don't
Speaker 3: put it on Facebook, but you can get it directly.
Speaker 2: Ensure it's going to be your Instagram where you post
Speaker 2: an interior video of your home every month. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's your thing. I guess join us next month for
Speaker 2: behind the podcast. Yeah, podcast crips.
Speaker 3: It's just in my shed.
Speaker 2: It's me critiquing your interior you have. That would be
Speaker 2: a weekly podcast for some time. Shame James and James
Speaker 2: Shame podcasts la Things that I've heard people thinks that
Speaker 2: you will need. If you have a nebulizer, if you're
Speaker 2: a person who uses a nebulizer to help them breathe,
Speaker 2: those are in very high demands. You're probably not going
Speaker 2: to be able to replace it, so bring that with you.
Speaker 2: If you have medications, ideally grab the meds in the
Speaker 2: little orange thing and take those with you. That where
Speaker 2: you've got the RX number and you can easily go
Speaker 2: to a pharmacy and be like, hey, this is my
Speaker 2: prescription for me. It has my name and the RX number.
Speaker 2: Can you issue me an emergency supply? And that's something
Speaker 2: they should be able to do. And also if you
Speaker 2: grab the whole bottle, then you've got, you know, hopefully
Speaker 2: a decent supply, Hopefully your insurance isn't annoying and only
Speaker 2: lets you go three weeks at a time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that comes up for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: But I will not name any companies because I think
Speaker 2: it is against my contract to do that. I will
Speaker 2: say that if you have like your important documents, right,
Speaker 2: you're potentially your deed to your house, if you're own
Speaker 2: on your car, your passport, your birth certificate is a
Speaker 2: big one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right to be in this country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, any dream card, visa, that kind of thing, especially
Speaker 2: those in the after Well, this will come out in
Speaker 2: the era of Trump two point zero. So those documents
Speaker 2: are going to be very important for some people. Right,
Speaker 2: you're darker registration, Put those in a file and grab
Speaker 2: the whole thing, bring it with you.
Speaker 3: Do not rely on.
Speaker 2: Scan copies of those, especially your immigration documents. If you're
Speaker 2: a person who has firearms, records of the serial numbers
Speaker 2: of those are going to be useful. And again I
Speaker 2: would just snap a picture. It's not reasonable or sensible
Speaker 2: to be taking a lot of firearms with you in
Speaker 2: a situation like this. You're not going to need them,
Speaker 2: and there's.
Speaker 3: Gona be a lot of places that you won't want
Speaker 3: to bring them.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I would suggest locking them up and
Speaker 2: like I say, documenting that you've done that, you may
Speaker 2: have to prove at some point that firearm no longer exists,
Speaker 2: and then they're probably the best way to do that.
Speaker 2: And being prepared to travel on foot. Like I said,
Speaker 2: another thing that people have been needing and not having
Speaker 2: is P one hundred masks. So that's a particle filter
Speaker 2: generally in the three M and I think the Honeywell
Speaker 2: filters they're pink, so I'm talking about like a screw
Speaker 2: in filter here, although they.
Speaker 3: Do make P one hundred masks that are more like
Speaker 3: they more like COVID masks. Yeah, they're just a little
Speaker 3: bit thicker and yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah they're a little bit more sort of burdensome than
Speaker 2: those masks, but that is what you need if you're
Speaker 2: in those situations. Yeah, so if you have one of those,
Speaker 2: I have ones like when I'm when I'm a poxying wood,
Speaker 2: I have a little half face respirated I wear for that.
Speaker 2: We will actually talk about masks, Margaret, after some of
Speaker 2: the products and services support the show have talked about themselves.
Speaker 3: It'd be pretty sick of a honey Well. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they'd be pretty small. Yep. All right, here we go.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back, thank you, honey. Well, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: keeping us safe from here gas.
Speaker 3: Although I'm kind of a three M girl, I gotta admit,
Speaker 3: Oh controversial, Okay, I know. So. One of the things
Speaker 3: I did during twenty twenty was a lot of testing
Speaker 3: of protest care. And if you want to see, I've
Speaker 3: written up a whole bunch of pieces about exactly everything
Speaker 3: about masks in body armour and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: But in general, when you think about masks, there's sort
Speaker 3: of three levels that actually are matter a useful. There's
Speaker 3: the version that we kind of see as a COVID mask.
Speaker 3: There's a version where it's like you you wear it
Speaker 3: around your face and you make sure you need to
Speaker 3: get a rated one and N ninety five is better
Speaker 3: than nothing for smoke, but a P one hundred is better.
Speaker 3: And then there is a half mask respirator. Half mask
Speaker 3: respirators are great. They are probably the sweet spot for this.
Speaker 3: They are less good for pandemics because they do not
Speaker 3: filter the xhale. They are better for your daily life
Speaker 3: because they don't filter the xhale. It's much easier to
Speaker 3: breathe with a half mask. Respirator than a fabric mask,
Speaker 3: and you can switch out the cartridges and unfortunately almost
Speaker 3: all of them are various proprietary types of filters, and
Speaker 3: the bayonet mount is the three M style. There's a
Speaker 3: NATO version. If something looks more like a gas mask,
Speaker 3: it's probably the NATO screw on kind. So you can
Speaker 3: get a half mask respirator, or you can a fold
Speaker 3: face respirator, which is more or less what looks like
Speaker 3: a gas mask, but those coming kind of civilian styles
Speaker 3: that are using the same three M brand or Honeywell
Speaker 3: or whatever cartridges, or you can get the more military
Speaker 3: style that'll have the NATO style screw in. The military
Speaker 3: style is kind of overkill in terms of it'll position
Speaker 3: you oddly socially. Yes, set me a fire, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think that a thing that is worth everyone having. Are
Speaker 3: these respirators a half mask respirator or depending on your life,
Speaker 3: like if you use them a lot, or you're going
Speaker 3: to be protesting, or there's a lot of different reasons
Speaker 3: you might want a full face one. They make really
Speaker 3: cheap knockoff ones that you can get imported, although maybe
Speaker 3: if you're listening to this in the future, you can't
Speaker 3: get it imported, but they work fairly well, they're just
Speaker 3: not quite as good. I've tested a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: them against various impacts and things like that. I think
Speaker 3: that half masks are great. I keep a half mask
Speaker 3: in my truck literally for wildfire smoke, because when I'm traveling,
Speaker 3: if I'm driving out west, I've been around wildfire smoke
Speaker 3: while traveling before. Another thing, just really quickly. They make
Speaker 3: these for dogs as well, so cool. They're more like
Speaker 3: COVID mask style. And my dog hates it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: but you could train your dog into not hating it.
Speaker 3: I just haven't. I just keep it around to be like,
Speaker 3: well if it really if we had to sleep in
Speaker 3: the vehicle in a smoky area, my dog would hate it,
Speaker 3: and he would put up with it, you know, and
Speaker 3: he would survive.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like masks. Yes, they're great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are good. The hat face respirator is great. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I used, like could say when I'm at poxying,
Speaker 2: so I don't get high because that would be bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, and then really quickly about physical stuff like
Speaker 3: deeds and all of that stuff. Yeah. I'm actually kind
Speaker 3: of curious because it's like I see why it matters
Speaker 3: the most to have the physical originals mm hmm for
Speaker 3: most crises. A lot of people talk about how safety
Speaker 3: deposit boxes at banks are kind of the way to
Speaker 3: go for stuff like that you don't need on a
Speaker 3: regular basis. This wouldn't be your proof of documentation necessarily,
Speaker 3: but it might be your like birth certificate, maybe like
Speaker 3: deeds and titles and things at a safe deposit box,
Speaker 3: because then if your house burns down, it's still fine.
Speaker 2: La.
Speaker 3: Wildfire kind of disproves this a little bit, right, because
Speaker 3: then you're like, well, what if your bank burns down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then if.
Speaker 3: It's not on your property, you can't grab it and go,
Speaker 3: So it's a little bit complicated. I think overall, I
Speaker 3: think that there's a real advantage to keeping stuff in
Speaker 3: a safety deposit box off site. And then also I
Speaker 3: just want to shout out that fire proof safes aren't fireproof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not for the situation and we're talking about here right.
Speaker 3: They are designed for like your kitchen catches fire or
Speaker 3: your bed catches fire, and your safe is under your bed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the firefighters come and they get out in
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: But some stuff gets charred right when there is a
Speaker 3: structure fire and a structure is destroyed. Fireproof safes, like
Speaker 3: all other safes, are generally not protecting their contents, and
Speaker 3: that's not the safe fault of the fire safe, it's
Speaker 3: just they're not designed for that.
Speaker 2: Google the melting point of steel for this and many
Speaker 2: other interesting Internet things that you can learn.
Speaker 3: If jet fuel can't melt fire proof.
Speaker 2: Safe, yeah, which is why they build buildings out of it.
Speaker 3: Oh and one more thing about documents really quick, While
Speaker 3: the original matters, having copies is like better than nothing,
Speaker 3: and also just like scanning and having them on encrypted
Speaker 3: hard like encrypted USB stick, a little USB stick with
Speaker 3: all of your stuff is a really pretty good thing
Speaker 3: to have. It has some advantages too, right, because sometimes
Speaker 3: you don't want the originals of your documents, Like, for example,
Speaker 3: you probably want a list of all of your bank accounts,
Speaker 3: the bank account numbers, your pins or your credit card numbers,
Speaker 3: like all of that stuff that you really don't want
Speaker 3: someone else to have, but if you lost you would
Speaker 3: be really sad. You probably want digital encrypted copies of
Speaker 3: that available to you. Yeah. Yeah, also your like master
Speaker 3: passwords and all that terrible horrible stuff that's scary to
Speaker 3: put onto a USB stick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's why you're putting it then on the internet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so really quickly, Margaret, it's going to be a long one.
Speaker 2: I guess you and I talked about prepper stuff.
Speaker 3: It went long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shocking go bags. We've done a whole episode on.
Speaker 2: If you're new to the show, Hello Welcome, you can
Speaker 2: go back and listen to Margaret and James talking about
Speaker 2: go bags. We'll try and put a link in the
Speaker 2: description here for you. But what is the like super
Speaker 2: fast speed round version of what you want to put
Speaker 2: in your go back?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Lord, change of socks and underwear, your basic toiletries, like
Speaker 3: the kind of like travel toiletries, because your go back
Speaker 3: is like more like so it's not gona be a
Speaker 3: long tangent. Your go back is like more likely I
Speaker 3: have to spend the night in my car than like
Speaker 3: I'm starting a new life somewhere out in the planes. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so the small little things like bring deodorant, even
Speaker 3: if you don't have deodorant in your daily life, because
Speaker 3: you might be crammed into a place with lots of
Speaker 3: other people.
Speaker 2: I've seen tons of requests for deodorant in the La
Speaker 2: mutal a chat almost every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. So basic
Speaker 3: toiletries and a little bit extra to share. I think
Speaker 3: whether or not you menstright, you should have tampons for example,
Speaker 3: and your go back, and so I think that the
Speaker 3: basic toiletries basic first day's less survival stuff, and then
Speaker 3: like change of clothes, and also like at least one
Speaker 3: or two morale items. I keep a Nintendo switch in
Speaker 3: my go bag. It Skyrim is I need a Skyrim
Speaker 3: box in order to fight anxiety sometimes. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can get those tiny little game boys now
Speaker 2: which have like it looks like a game boy every game,
Speaker 2: every game ever. Yeah, yeah, I have one of those
Speaker 2: in their two okay sick. Yeah, those would be a
Speaker 2: perfect item for one of those that.
Speaker 3: Actually I had like almost no electricity at the beginning
Speaker 3: of COVID, and so the ability to play the Sega
Speaker 3: Genesis version of Shadow Run from like the nineties was
Speaker 3: crucial to me because I didn't have enough electricity to
Speaker 3: run a computer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, that's fine, and it's probably going to
Speaker 2: be more important to you than half the shit you
Speaker 2: see people online putting in their go backs, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't need a gender affirming hatchet.
Speaker 3: You will.
Speaker 2: You will have a lot more fun with your tiny
Speaker 2: game boy things that you don't needther I see people.
Speaker 2: I see people houlding a lot of food. Everyone who's
Speaker 2: evacuated in LA is having a miserable time. They are
Speaker 2: eating the best they ever have. So many people want
Speaker 2: to help, and food is a way that so many
Speaker 2: of us express affection and careful one another. So many
Speaker 2: people are getting fed right now, thanks for the efforts
Speaker 2: to beat A groups. Really remarkably doesn't seem to be
Speaker 2: so much by you'd think La, a city on a
Speaker 2: major fault line, would would have some kind of supplies
Speaker 2: for an earthquake that required feeding lots of people. Seems
Speaker 2: like it's it's more vibes based for the city. But
Speaker 2: you know, surprise surprises mutual A groups who are feeding
Speaker 2: people and they're doing that really well. So you don't
Speaker 2: need to hold a lot of food.
Speaker 3: Having a little bit of food though a little bit
Speaker 3: of shelf stable food. I really recommend bars you don't
Speaker 3: like as the food that you put in your go bag,
Speaker 3: because if you put in bars that you do like,
Speaker 3: you're going to eat them when you're bored one day, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you don't want to go to the store.
Speaker 2: II doly recommend I say this.
Speaker 3: Literally all of the bars in all my bags have
Speaker 3: been eating yeah the past week. But that's because there's
Speaker 3: been like a winter storm, so I haven't been out
Speaker 3: to the grocery store and I just have been like
Speaker 3: sugarcreavy and so I eat even the grossbars. I live
Speaker 3: in San Diego.
Speaker 2: I have no hues so to do it because I
Speaker 2: can't be bothered to leave my offace and go to
Speaker 2: my kitchen sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So find the one that you don't like, put
Speaker 3: it in your bag. Just have a couple. It's not
Speaker 3: to keep you sustained. It's to keep you from being grouchy. Like,
Speaker 3: don't think of it as like I need to put
Speaker 3: entire meals in my go bag. Think of it as
Speaker 3: like I need enough sugar and whatever to keep my
Speaker 3: headspace right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I kind of like to lay them in between things
Speaker 2: I do is when I'm camping to I'll get like
Speaker 2: those little peanut butter packets, yeah, and just like just
Speaker 2: to throw a few in there. And then you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what, I am being cranky And that means
Speaker 2: you snuff this and I'm going to be beat at. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do highly recommend peanut butter. I take it when
Speaker 2: I travel a lot as well. It's like a comfort
Speaker 2: food for me. It's filling, it's compact. It's not that
Speaker 2: bad for you.
Speaker 3: When I lived out of a backpack, I kept a
Speaker 3: plastic jar of peanut butter at the bottom of my
Speaker 3: pack always because I knew, no matter what, I had
Speaker 3: at least two days worth of calories in the bottom
Speaker 3: of my bag. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a wonderful thing, peanut butter. So yeah, put
Speaker 2: some of that in there. There are things that, like,
Speaker 2: you probably don't need shelter, right, but it might be
Speaker 2: nice to have a little compact blanket, right, especially if
Speaker 2: you're going to have to stay. One of those one thing,
Speaker 2: little comfort item that I always take. I've taken this
Speaker 2: all over the world. It's an inflatable pillow. Like there
Speaker 2: are a lot of hardships that I will endure. I
Speaker 2: like to sleep on a pillow, and so I take
Speaker 2: a inflatable pillow. So it's something that you know, you
Speaker 2: will have comfort items like that that are things for you.
Speaker 2: I'll put those in there. I would avoid watching too
Speaker 2: much go bag content on YouTube because you're going to
Speaker 2: get anxious about the fact that you don't have like
Speaker 2: a folding short barrels rifle. And that's because you don't
Speaker 2: need it, nor do you need like a Like I'm
Speaker 2: sitting next to my bullet profess that I've used before
Speaker 2: for work. I'm not taking it with me staying here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did spend a lot of money on the plate,
Speaker 2: so I will be claiming those on insurance. But you
Speaker 2: don't need that stuff. People are taking care of one another,
Speaker 2: and so pack with the things that will help you
Speaker 2: be comfortable. And consider that you might be spending a
Speaker 2: while in a hotel or a hostel or a refuge
Speaker 2: or staying with a friend or family members yea, and
Speaker 2: think what would make that more comfortable for you.
Speaker 3: I think that's the really good way to put it.
Speaker 3: It's the get out of town for the weekend. Bag.
Speaker 3: Y's not the end of the world bag. I think
Speaker 3: that if you are more rural, you might want some
Speaker 3: basic camping stuff. Yeh, yeah, definitely, but the average person
Speaker 3: probably doesn't. I mostly have this at the like there's
Speaker 3: my go bag, and then there's the stuff that's kind
Speaker 3: of always in my truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I'm at too. I like to go camping,
Speaker 2: so I have my camping stuff in my truck because
Speaker 2: then it takes me less time to go camping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so like, I am almost certainly not bugging
Speaker 3: out on foot from my house. And if I had to,
Speaker 3: then I would have to bring a not my go bag,
Speaker 3: I would have to bring a hiking bag, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Most of the time, if you have access to a
Speaker 3: car and roads, because you're escaping an emergency, you're getting
Speaker 3: to somewhere with enough civilization that you have, you can
Speaker 3: expect some level of shelter and food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but I do.
Speaker 3: I will say, have some water. Don't go overboard, like
Speaker 3: I think that having like a little bit of like
Speaker 3: chemical water filtration and a water bottle or a little
Speaker 3: water filter and a water bottle, you know the reason not.
Speaker 2: To Yeah, I will say specifically, like get a soil squeeze.
Speaker 2: They are tiny filtration, better than most other filters that
Speaker 2: are that size. Get it, put it in your backpack,
Speaker 2: leave it there. They're handy to have, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: get a little uh I like to have again, this
Speaker 2: is a little comfort thing I like to have a
Speaker 2: stain of steel now gene size bottle. It's not made
Speaker 2: by analogy think, it's made by clean canteen. I like
Speaker 2: it so I could drink water out of it. I
Speaker 2: like it because it's not plastic. And I like it
Speaker 2: because I can use it to heat up water when
Speaker 2: it's really cold and have it like a little hot
Speaker 2: water bottle and snuggle with it. Yeah, so that's a
Speaker 2: nice thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I use also like a single wall steel canteen
Speaker 3: so that you can heat water in it. If you
Speaker 3: get the double wall ones, then you can't heat them
Speaker 3: over the fire because they're you know, vacuum insulated or whatever.
Speaker 3: But then other people I know are like, well they
Speaker 3: want the ability to have like and they're insulated deep bottles. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know you do you so, I will also say
Speaker 3: battery packs for phones is a big one. Again, you're
Speaker 3: less likely to need to hunt squirrels with axes, and
Speaker 3: you're more likely need to keep your phone charged and
Speaker 3: other people's phones charged.
Speaker 2: One of those little hydra charging cables, which you know
Speaker 2: breaks one.
Speaker 3: That's what I was about to say to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: get get.
Speaker 2: One of those, Get a little war water and keep
Speaker 2: it in there, so you can turn a wall socket
Speaker 2: into a USB socket if you need that to charge
Speaker 2: your stuff. Another thing that is surprisingly handy and lots
Speaker 2: of situations is I like to run a lot, and
Speaker 2: sometimes you're doing ultramarathon. When you get to the aid station,
Speaker 2: they just have like big things of water, right, and
Speaker 2: you fill up your little water bottles. You're carrying your vest,
Speaker 2: and lots of people have these tiny collapsible cups that
Speaker 2: are made of like a thin rubber. They're made of
Speaker 2: the stuff that camelback gladders are made of. And then
Speaker 2: they can fill up that cup and they can drink
Speaker 2: from it, and they just keep it attached to their vest, right,
Speaker 2: and then off they go running along. Oh interesting, These
Speaker 2: are very useful and I've started incorporating them and lots
Speaker 2: of my travel and like, yeah, emergency supplies because if
Speaker 2: you're in a place where people don't have cups, right
Speaker 2: that they have big things of water. Now you have
Speaker 2: a vessel from which to drink. So those are surprisingly handy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also keep one of those. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's the same one you're talking about it, but
Speaker 3: it like collapses up almost like forty and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like the camping ones, but it's
Speaker 2: way lighter than those.
Speaker 3: Ah Okay, I have the camping style one and I
Speaker 3: keep it in there as a like emergency dog ball.
Speaker 3: Yes I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are great for that too, and you can
Speaker 2: drink hot things out of them, which is nice.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And another thing that I keep in my go
Speaker 3: bag is I keep the meds that my dog is on,
Speaker 3: and I keep some of the meds that I take
Speaker 3: in there. And you know, it's like, my dog only
Speaker 3: gets the meds once a month, So I go to
Speaker 3: my bag and I pull out the meds and I
Speaker 3: give them to my dog from my bag, because why not.
Speaker 3: And if you have, you know, other people, whether they're
Speaker 3: not fully grown yet or are that you also take
Speaker 3: care of, you know, you need to make sure you
Speaker 3: have a little bit of their stuff in there, Like
Speaker 3: like you keep a dog toy in your go bag. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have a child, keep a child toy.
Speaker 2: If you need to keep medicines cold, there's a product
Speaker 2: called freeo Fio. They're not paying me. I've never got
Speaker 2: one for free. But you dip it in water and
Speaker 2: it uses the evaporative cooling to keep your insulin cold.
Speaker 2: I have used them. Oh, they are very handy, they
Speaker 2: don't rely on electric. It's very nice. So yeah, if
Speaker 2: that's something that you need, then then then that is
Speaker 2: hopefully something useful to you. My last thing would be
Speaker 2: a little torch, a little pocket flashlight, or even better
Speaker 2: a headlamp like a head torch, because lots of places
Speaker 2: in La lost power, right, and if you're having to
Speaker 2: go places at night, it's much easier if you can
Speaker 2: see where you're going. Yeah, they're not expensive, they're great gifts.
Speaker 2: Bring a few, give them to friends, make new friends.
Speaker 2: Hopefully this has repared you. The last thing, of course,
Speaker 2: Margaret is a gold bullion with Ronald Reagan's face on it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I forgot to mention that, Yeah, you need to trade.
Speaker 3: Rather than having a system of mutual aid, which we
Speaker 3: naturally do, instead, we should interject a complicated barter system,
Speaker 3: ideally on the gold standard, in which shiny.
Speaker 2: Metal replaces our naturally instinct to help one another. Yeah exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's how it's been. That's that's humans, famously not a species.
Speaker 3: Just bring a copy of Debt by David Graeber in
Speaker 3: your Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bring at the shrugs and then as you pass
Speaker 2: the just start ripping that ship off, throwing it in there,
Speaker 2: let it burn.
Speaker 3: Having a paperback book if you like that. It's not
Speaker 3: weight efficient, but you know what, like.
Speaker 2: That's how Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bring the Dawn of Everything
Speaker 2: by David Graeber. That'll let'll occupy you through most natural disasters.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a thick book. It is if you
Speaker 2: can't reach something very handy.
Speaker 3: Stand on that.
Speaker 2: He really thought he did us one final solid rap
Speaker 2: David Graeber.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and and on rip to David wengro Is love.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, shout out to David. Wegrow the other
Speaker 2: David than the less venerated David who also wrote that book.
Speaker 3: I always feel bad when I just talk about Gramer
Speaker 3: stuff and they talk about Thought of Everything, and then
Speaker 3: I don't talk about the other David. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll just say the David's and then people will
Speaker 2: look at me and yeah, totally the level. But I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah big to Margaret, I can say that David's. She
Speaker 2: knows which David's. I mean, that's why we're friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well anyway, yeah, it's gonna be okay or it's not.
Speaker 3: But you know what you weren't going to survive being
Speaker 3: alive anyway. And keep your car half full of gas,
Speaker 3: like when you're on your way home, and make sure
Speaker 3: that you fill up if it's less than halfway full.
Speaker 2: Plug your electric car in. Don't skip plugging your little
Speaker 2: electric car in at night. Yeah, because the night that
Speaker 2: you do is you know that you need it. So
Speaker 2: do the little things take care of one another.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could.
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