WEBVTT - William “Rusty” Russ Meets World Again

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a little couple's date night coming up, right

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<v Speaker 1>or not, we asked you to be a part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>We wanted it to be a triple date. You had plans,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Will and I are taking our spouses to

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite place ever, a casino for a comedy show.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is my favorite place ever, so we get to

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<v Speaker 2>double up. We're comboing, we're comboing up. And he's also

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<v Speaker 2>arguably my favorite comedian right now, so I cannot wait

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<v Speaker 2>to go see. Hell tell me, we're going to see

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<v Speaker 2>Nate Bargatzi at the at the Yamava Casino. Oh my god, great,

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<v Speaker 2>so good to watch his Netflix specials. He's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>He does a bit, one of my favorite bit. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, he's a rarity in the world because he's

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<v Speaker 2>a completely clean comedian. He doesn't swear at all. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the bits he does, oh god, we quoted

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<v Speaker 2>all the time is how your life changes when people

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<v Speaker 2>invite you out as your age gets older. So he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>in your twenties, your friends call you and they're like, hey, man,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to And before they finish the sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, I'll go come in, I'll go wherever you

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<v Speaker 2>want me to go. I'll light my apartment on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>What are we going to do? He's like, then your

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<v Speaker 2>thirties come and it's where are we going? Will it

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<v Speaker 2>be loud? I will drive separate and he's like, in

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<v Speaker 2>my forties, I'm not going. And I'm actually angry that

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<v Speaker 2>you would even ask. It's just, oh god, he's hysterical.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that he was coming, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to go, so very excited to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have Danielle win a whole bunch of money, laugh the

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<v Speaker 2>whole time, and I make all my money back on

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<v Speaker 2>the buffet, so I'm really excited.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you gonna gamble?

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<v Speaker 2>Will I always? Do?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I like slot machines. I'll do twenty dollars or twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five dollars something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Slot machines are the worst there when it goes weel.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the hoopla yes plus bel yes those are good.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, if you want to see Danielle turn into

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<v Speaker 2>a different version of Danielle, fun daniel see sit her

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<v Speaker 2>at a table. Oh I don't know if I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>fun Danielle, sit her at a table, then go away

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<v Speaker 2>for about forty five minutes then come back and you

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<v Speaker 2>just see forty five minutes later, Danielle. It's very funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's she is just straight in gambling mode. Where what

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<v Speaker 2>casino did we find ourselves in in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>a city somewhere? Where was Where was that?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it like Cleveland?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't yet it was Cleveland?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland's just handel the middle of not the best casino

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever been in. It wasn't the win And it

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<v Speaker 2>was just her like, yeah, I'll see in four hours,

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<v Speaker 2>like we have a show, Like, yeah, the show's in

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<v Speaker 2>four and a half hours, I'll see you in four That.

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<v Speaker 1>Is what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's like, okay, have fun, bye you casino.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anytime I can smell them so much you can.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is gonna be fun. You're missing on a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great comedy night.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna miss you, but we are turning it into

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<v Speaker 1>a nice little night. We have dinner, we're gonna gamble,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna see the show. We're spending the night you.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably wake up. Yeah, I've never been to the ama

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<v Speaker 2>have you.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not ever been to the Amaba, And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Me too, because they have some like Killer concerts there

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>They do.

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<v Speaker 2>People go, so, yeah, I'm pretty excited for this one.

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<v Speaker 4>Have fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, we will miss you. What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember what I think he's think it was

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<v Speaker 2>a fake it he's got so October eighteenth, when we're going, Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just getting back from Ireland.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't want to leave town again, gotcha?

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<v Speaker 1>That okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Mission a fine show, sir, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Pond Meets World.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Daniel Fischel, I'm Writer Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

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<v Speaker 1>In recapping season five, we have seen a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>new names enter the fold at Boy Meets World, and

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<v Speaker 1>some theories have molded themselves about who was directing week

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<v Speaker 1>to week and the quality of that product. So do

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<v Speaker 1>we have a lot of confidence about an episode that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't directed by Jeff mccrackett, David Trainer or David Kendall.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a crapshoot. So when we looked to the future

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<v Speaker 1>and saw the name of a beloved co worker had

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<v Speaker 1>joined the mix for Heartbreak Corey, one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>memorable scripts in the show's history, we got nervous. But

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<v Speaker 1>we should have seen it coming. William Rusty Russ is

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<v Speaker 1>good at everything that's right. The beloved dad of the

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<v Speaker 1>Matthews clan, Allen got to direct episodes of Boy Meets World,

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<v Speaker 1>and this week we recapped his first the initial spark

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<v Speaker 1>between Corey and the other woman, Lauren played by Linda

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<v Speaker 1>Cardelini in a ski lodge, and though he wasn't actually

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<v Speaker 1>in the episode, Rusty was instrumental to its success, something

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<v Speaker 1>we all agree was overwhelmingly the result. And so just

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<v Speaker 1>how did Rusty get behind the camera. A man who

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<v Speaker 1>was directed in classic movies like Cruising The Right Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and American History X and TV shows like Saint Elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>Miami Wece and The Sopranos not only helmed Heartbreak Corey.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd go on to direct eight more episodes of Boy

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<v Speaker 1>Meets World, an episode of Root Awakening Lizzie McGuire, and

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<v Speaker 1>return for an episode of Girl Meets World for old

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<v Speaker 1>times sake. So for today's episode, we welcome back our

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<v Speaker 1>co star for a record third time appearance. It's actor,

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<v Speaker 1>but more importantly, director, William Rusty Russ.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, great, I'm here too.

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<v Speaker 3>About Bill. I know, thank you Bill, Oh my gosh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know it's interesting. I watched the episode and will

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<v Speaker 3>you weren't in it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's probably why your first directing gig went so smoothly, pro.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>We just watched the episode. We all agree it's so good,

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<v Speaker 1>just so much fun. And do you what, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what is your What is the thing you remember

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<v Speaker 1>most about directing this episode for us?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I have a lot of thoughts on it,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was that it was so easy in a

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<v Speaker 3>certain way because you guys were great, the crew was great,

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, I just kind of came in and went,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, let's start here. I was kind of thrown

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<v Speaker 3>on me, if I remember correct. It was the first

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<v Speaker 3>one I directed. Yes, and uh, it was just one

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<v Speaker 3>of these things where Michael we were in the elevator

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<v Speaker 3>or something said you see, he said you're ready. I

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<v Speaker 3>said yeah, I said you're doing next week. I went, oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm a person and I've realized this as I've

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<v Speaker 3>got older, is that my greatest asset becoming an actor

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<v Speaker 3>and whatever I've done is that I'm a person that

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't know how much he doesn't know. So you just

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<v Speaker 3>jump in, let's go, Oh you have to put gas

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<v Speaker 3>in the car. Oh, I say, okay, but it's interesting

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<v Speaker 3>as you get older because I'm learning new things that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm watching, Well how do I do this? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that was like one of the most but actually it

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<v Speaker 3>was you guys except for you, Yeah, we're also great.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I just watched it, and I enjoy watching

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<v Speaker 3>everything that you all were doing. And thank god we

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<v Speaker 3>had camera guys who knew where to put the camera

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<v Speaker 3>and right, you know, and it just was a joy.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was a really happy the way it came

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<v Speaker 3>out with a couple of things that I had said, well,

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<v Speaker 3>let's do this, and let's try this, and and then

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<v Speaker 3>it was up to the actors.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to know was we have talked about on

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<v Speaker 1>season five especially, but we have talked about how many

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<v Speaker 1>times we have missed insert shots. We didn't do a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of insert shots on Boy Meets World, and then

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<v Speaker 1>in your episode we got an insert shot, and we

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<v Speaker 1>literally for weeks have been saying, why wouldn't they have

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<v Speaker 1>just done an insert shot? So truly, thank you forgiving

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<v Speaker 1>us are.

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<v Speaker 2>Showing us the thing we're talking about, which is there's

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<v Speaker 2>two times.

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<v Speaker 4>There's the there's the blueprints right where you get the

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<v Speaker 4>concerner of the blueprints, but also that wall where we

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<v Speaker 4>finally see you know, the fourth frosted the frosted.

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<v Speaker 2>Window, right, if you've bought for that, you made that happen.

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<v Speaker 3>For that I asked for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was they would have just been looking at a light.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just talking about the moon, but you know, you

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<v Speaker 4>have you can't turn around and see the moon, but

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<v Speaker 4>you figured out a way to show what they were

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<v Speaker 4>looking at, which is the window. It's perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you, I mean because what I asked for

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<v Speaker 3>that as soon as I had read it or whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>because just the whole atmosphere of being in this cozy

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<v Speaker 3>lodge outside it's cold, and I wish I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember there was snow in that scene exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>but I wanted to get that feeling of this little

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<v Speaker 3>intimate moment of two people in this little womb, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and things happen you don't have to see, but you

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<v Speaker 3>can just see the intimacy even from outside. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I was luckily kind of and you know, I asked them,

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<v Speaker 3>and again I give kudos to Michael and everyone. They said, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a great idea. Let's try that. And they built

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<v Speaker 3>that whole thing and we just said, let's just do

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<v Speaker 3>this shot from outside.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think it did add because I was watching

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<v Speaker 3>it and I went, yeah, you don't see that much.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember saying, oh, that was my you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's I thought out of the I think a certain

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<v Speaker 3>intimacy to the scene that you could just feel.

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<v Speaker 2>It. Did it make any difference to you it's your

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<v Speaker 2>first episode ever. Did it matter to you in any way,

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<v Speaker 2>shape or form that you were shooting on a set

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<v Speaker 2>that you were completely unfamiliar with. It wasn't like you

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<v Speaker 2>were shooting it's the the you know, it's the living

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<v Speaker 2>or kitchen, boys bedroom, it's a kitchen scene and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that you, as an actor had been in the set.

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<v Speaker 2>You knew the sets intimately. Did it make a difference

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<v Speaker 2>to you either way that you were now shooting on

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<v Speaker 2>a set you'd never seen before.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because I didn't know what you're doing. No, it

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<v Speaker 3>really didn't. I mean, I have to say it was again,

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<v Speaker 3>kudos to you guys and the and the production team

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<v Speaker 3>and Michael and all the producers. It just it went

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<v Speaker 3>very well and I really was a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 4>I know that Michael told you in the elevator, like

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<v Speaker 4>you're doing it next week. But how did you become

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<v Speaker 4>how did you it was part of a negotiation contract

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<v Speaker 4>thing that you got an episode to directly. How did

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<v Speaker 4>you get decided that you would direct? Did you say

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<v Speaker 4>I want to direct an episode next season or how

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<v Speaker 4>did that hang?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's basically it. I said. At a certain point,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, well, if you know, I I just said,

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<v Speaker 3>let me I'd like to do this. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>can do it. Like I said, it's the audacity of idiosity.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's whatever you want to call it, the

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<v Speaker 3>cow you know, the bravery of the ignorant. And I

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<v Speaker 3>just said, yeah, let me do that. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>can do this. And and again you know, I mean, gosh, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you all know that you're taken care of too. If

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know something, someone will. You know, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>open to listening, and that's the key, if you're opening

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<v Speaker 3>the scene, you know, then I knew it would be

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<v Speaker 3>in good hands. I knew it'd be hard to up

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<v Speaker 3>because no one would let me go.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to support Ethan.

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<v Speaker 3>Use the language. But yeah, yeah, I knew that. And

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<v Speaker 3>fortunately that that that piece was there with all the

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<v Speaker 3>people around.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we have told you this before. But I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to say it again. We have focused so much on

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<v Speaker 1>the adult acting during our rewatch because a couple of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>For one thing, we relate more to the Amy's and

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<v Speaker 1>Alan's and mister Feenees of the show now that we

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<v Speaker 1>are middle aged, but also because the acting is just remarkable.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are all so good, and we have kicked

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves a million times that we were not one paying

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<v Speaker 1>more attention to asking more questions, three appreciating more it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really some top notch stuff. Do you remember feeling

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<v Speaker 1>pride and proud of the work that you were doing

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<v Speaker 1>on Boy Meets World when it was happening, or did

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<v Speaker 1>you think of it as just doing a sitcom?

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<v Speaker 3>No, of course I felt pride in the work. And

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<v Speaker 3>and and again I told this story many times. I've

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<v Speaker 3>never had never done a sitcom before, and I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>done one since. I don't know what that means, said,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was a fascinating journey, and thank God, especially

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<v Speaker 3>when I came in on the first shows, you guys

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<v Speaker 3>were so welcoming and and you know, because you had

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<v Speaker 3>another father before, Matt, who I saw not too long ago.

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<v Speaker 3>And and again I was so ignorant of the genre

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<v Speaker 3>of the style, you know, and I just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>at that point, I said, well, it's banging me on

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<v Speaker 3>the head, so I'm going to go do it and

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<v Speaker 3>I'll figure it out. Unfortunately, I had people like David Traynor,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was there, and he would point something to me,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean and say, you know, I shouldn't do that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I go, oh, really, And I've been doing it

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<v Speaker 3>for twenty thirty years on film sets and other plays.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, here we do this, and I went, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>all right. And I tried not to take it personally

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<v Speaker 3>and I went, okay, all right, I'll figure it out,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And yeah, no, I was. I was really

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<v Speaker 3>happy that I could get through a scene without cracking

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<v Speaker 3>up with you guys that didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>That wasn't always the case towards the end with you

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<v Speaker 2>and I, Rusty.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it wasn't always the case.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if I'm going to get fired, I better

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<v Speaker 3>get fired laughing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we just watched a couple episodes ago. Was the

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<v Speaker 2>episode where we're skydiving.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, that's my favorite episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just just remembering the shoot of just screaming

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<v Speaker 2>at each other as we're then jumping out of the

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<v Speaker 2>plane and shooting that, and and we we were I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't remember, Rider asked, I think, and and I was

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<v Speaker 2>vaguely recalled, but couldn't really remember. Do you remember the

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<v Speaker 2>set for that? I remember the interior. But then did

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<v Speaker 2>they just flip that scene set around and shoot the

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<v Speaker 2>exterior or did they have a separate exterior that we

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<v Speaker 2>jumped out of.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think I think they just went inside and outside.

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<v Speaker 3>That's okay, I think so. I don't really remember the specifics,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't exactly anywhere I go. But yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know again, I'm going to go back to you

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<v Speaker 3>guys on this episode the intimacy, Danielle, you and Ben

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<v Speaker 3>and Ryder. I mean the scene on the couch where

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<v Speaker 3>he sits in and then totten here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember just saying you got you guys, just let

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<v Speaker 3>it go just and and the life and the and

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<v Speaker 3>and and it's so true that you can't help but

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<v Speaker 3>laugh as an audience, you know. And I watched that

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<v Speaker 3>and I just went, that's so wonderful and you all

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<v Speaker 3>got it there, and then of course kicked it off

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<v Speaker 3>with that moment, But there are you know, there's so

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<v Speaker 3>many moments that I looked at, how that was great

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<v Speaker 3>and you're you outside and the whole thing with you

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<v Speaker 3>and Corey, you know, did you do anything else? I

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<v Speaker 3>mean those It was a very intimate show. And part

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<v Speaker 3>of me is, you guys are also at an age.

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<v Speaker 3>How old were you then when we were doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>We were on the show. We were supposed to be seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and how were you?

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<v Speaker 1>I will see if this was in I was about

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<v Speaker 1>to be seventeen, I was about to be I was

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what struck me actually about watching the show,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was, you know, at the end of that

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<v Speaker 3>year and you guys, just as young adults were having

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<v Speaker 3>these things, you know, certainly on a different kind of level. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was part of that world, that discovery that

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<v Speaker 3>oh I could do this or this would happen. I

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<v Speaker 3>never saw that coming and and it just seemed like

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<v Speaker 3>it was very fascinating to watch because I could see

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<v Speaker 3>you as people being that age at this point in

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<v Speaker 3>your life too, and you brought all that to it. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we were talking about how in that ski lodge

0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.040
<v Speaker 4>set around the fire, you know, when we're sitting around

0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.359
<v Speaker 4>the on the couches. It's like our characters were allowed

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<v Speaker 4>to be adults for probably the first time. Like we're

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<v Speaker 4>not in the school setting. We're not you know, we

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<v Speaker 4>didn't get dropped off. We like kind of are comfortable

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<v Speaker 4>as grown ups and we're allowed to just talk to

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<v Speaker 4>each other, play grown up games, asking questions and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, it was cool. It's it's very relaxing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it was. It was. It really struck me

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<v Speaker 3>as it was also that journey that you were a

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<v Speaker 3>certain places. Obviously you're you know, you weren't as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>uh innocent, I think, as you know, your characters were

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<v Speaker 3>in a certain way. But it was still a fascinating

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<v Speaker 3>moment to kind of watch because there were these really subtle,

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<v Speaker 3>intimate moments that could have been in a you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and and anywhere on the stage and another movie and

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<v Speaker 3>a different thing. It was, you know, the life and

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<v Speaker 3>the and the beauty that you guys brought to it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't you know, confined to those three cameras.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why again I go back to liking the

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<v Speaker 3>window because I think it gave it another intimacy from

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<v Speaker 3>being outside and getting the audience consciously or unconsciously to

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<v Speaker 3>feel there. They're in this safe wound for a moment.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you remember about Linda Cardelini. Did you actually

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<v Speaker 4>audition her or was she.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember if, because I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 3>was as a director before they did the audition, they

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<v Speaker 3>usually they cast it. I just remember she was very

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<v Speaker 3>sweet and came on and it was very good, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and she wasn't intimidating. You know, everyone would

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<v Speaker 3>come on that show and be in a certain way

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<v Speaker 3>imitated because you guys been working there for five years

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<v Speaker 3>and you got the whole thing. You know. I've done

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<v Speaker 3>this in many shows myself, and I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>but she was great, very sweet, and and she brought

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<v Speaker 3>it and you brought it.

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<v Speaker 6>Rid mm hmmy, I forgotten that line, and I've al

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<v Speaker 6>so fun in my head and I still see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I laugh out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And Danielle, do you guys remember feeling different on

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<v Speaker 2>the set, not just with Rusty as a director, but

0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:32.520
<v Speaker 2>knowing that your director was also an actor. Did that

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<v Speaker 2>change kind of how you acted on the set, blocking

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<v Speaker 2>on the set?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I have such fond memories of this week.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I just remember thinking, this was so much fun.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it's because the characters are more mature,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it's it's funny stuff. And I remember just

0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:51.760
<v Speaker 4>Linda was so incredible and just was immediately was part

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<v Speaker 4>of our gang. Like it just felt like it didn't

0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 4>feel like a lot of times you'd have guest stars,

0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.840
<v Speaker 4>and you know, they have their own personalities, their own securities,

0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:59.959
<v Speaker 4>throwing whatever. But I remember with her it was like, oh,

0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:01.880
<v Speaker 4>you're just one of us, and we all just were

0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.120
<v Speaker 4>hanging out and laughing and having such a good week. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I mean I think it created a wonderful atmosphere,

0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.760
<v Speaker 4>like having Rusty direct. I just remember being wholly positive.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was. It was very special, like I said,

0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:16.800
<v Speaker 3>and as I said, I owe it all to the

0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.080
<v Speaker 3>people around me, you know, I mean really I just

0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.520
<v Speaker 3>kind of walked in, you know. You know, obviously I

0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:25.360
<v Speaker 3>had an idea what to do, but I mean it's

0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.960
<v Speaker 3>really just watching what you guys do, and then just

0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.600
<v Speaker 3>as you know very well, as you all know now,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's really a matter of letting actors be

0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:38.880
<v Speaker 3>in the reality and the truth they're in and then

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<v Speaker 3>just getting it on camera the way it should be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, yeah, I remember that being a feeling

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<v Speaker 1>the whole week is like knowing how natural and relaxed

0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.439
<v Speaker 1>Rusty is. As an actor, imagine your director bringing that

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 1>to the table for you. It makes you natural and

0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:58.800
<v Speaker 1>relaxed and you do get to live really in the reality.

0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.560
<v Speaker 1>That intimacy you were talking about Rusty is obviously an

0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:06.520
<v Speaker 1>intimacy that the four of us writer, myself, Trina, and

0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Ben had developed on set. There was that was that

0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:11.960
<v Speaker 1>real friendship and being able to see us as adults

0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.600
<v Speaker 1>for the first time really lended itself to Wow, I

0:21:15.640 --> 0:21:19.920
<v Speaker 1>feel elevated. It felt like the elevation of our relationships

0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. Yeah it was. It was a special episode and

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoy I watched it a couple of times, and yeah,

0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.600
<v Speaker 3>it was. It was kind of special to see what

0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.439
<v Speaker 3>you guys brought to it and the said you just

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.200
<v Speaker 3>kind of lived in it. Yeah, lived in the set

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:45.200
<v Speaker 3>and lived in the moment, lived in the story.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, for season five, we have talked a lot about

0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the fact that we had a new director to us,

0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Alan Myerson. What do you remember about Alan Myerson as

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<v Speaker 1>a director. I think at this point he had had

0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 1>started he did like the first six.

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<v Speaker 3>I just remember Alan as being very He was an

0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.919
<v Speaker 3>experienced director, so I kind of I think he you

0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:15.280
<v Speaker 3>know again, I you know, I think he came in

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:19.280
<v Speaker 3>with a lot of ideas that the way he did things.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I really don't remember much, yeah, except that

0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.919
<v Speaker 3>he was very kind of you know, this is the way

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:29.840
<v Speaker 3>we're going to do it this way, right, you know,

0:22:30.160 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 3>very I said, I don't even know how many episodes

0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:35.840
<v Speaker 3>I did that year with him, So what did you

0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:36.480
<v Speaker 3>guys think.

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<v Speaker 4>We've been reflecting on it because I had wholly positive

0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.600
<v Speaker 4>memories of Alan as a person, because because he gave

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<v Speaker 4>me he made all these mixtapes for me. He gave

0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:51.399
<v Speaker 4>me two shopping bags of jazz and folk music that

0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.200
<v Speaker 4>he wanted me to listen to because we were talk music.

0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 4>He introduced me to Billy Collins, a great poet who

0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.119
<v Speaker 4>was I think the poet laureate at the time. He

0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:00.480
<v Speaker 4>gave me that fir so like I just had like, oh,

0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.920
<v Speaker 4>Alan was such a great guy. But then watching these episodes,

0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm realizing, like, oh, he at the time the kind

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.440
<v Speaker 4>of director I liked with somebody who just didn't talk

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 4>to me about like character or motivation or story. They

0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 4>would just say stand over here, go over there, and

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 4>then you exit here. And I'd be like, I can

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 4>figure out the rest. But now I would I wouldn't

0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:20.639
<v Speaker 4>want to work with a director like that, Like I

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:22.119
<v Speaker 4>don't want a director who's going to get into the

0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.600
<v Speaker 4>process with me or empower me to like make new choices,

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 4>you know. And it seems like Alan was much more

0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:30.760
<v Speaker 4>of a like tell you where to go, when to

0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:31.200
<v Speaker 4>do it.

0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Grab you by the arm, bring you to your mark,

0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:36.240
<v Speaker 2>this is where you stand, say this, walk out this way.

0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:40.000
<v Speaker 2>So at the time I had I wouldn't want that. Now,

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:41.879
<v Speaker 2>you know, I had the same experience. He and I

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 2>got along really well, but it was I can see

0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.880
<v Speaker 2>how some actors would not have appreciated his style.

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, and as you've all learned over the years,

0:23:51.720 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, directors are different and and actors are different, right, Yeah,

0:23:56.000 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I it depends. I mean a lot of times,

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, and I mean a certain way. That's a

0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 3>lot of respect for you guys, because he says, you

0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 3>know the characters you know, and I'm going to trust

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.720
<v Speaker 3>you to be spontaneous in your job right, live and

0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 3>do your job, but you have to do it over here.

0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, but do it facing this way.

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<v Speaker 3>It came.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think, you know, I think so much of

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 4>what like David Traynor was doing first season was teaching us,

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:27.359
<v Speaker 4>like he was teaching all of us because all of

0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 4>us were new, right, Like I mean, so we all

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.920
<v Speaker 4>needed to learn the sort of rules of the form,

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:35.720
<v Speaker 4>like this is how you stand, this is how you open,

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 4>this is how you know you hold your body or

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 4>sit in a in a formation, how you turn it?

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 4>And we needed that. But then it seems like Jeff

0:24:43.240 --> 0:24:47.320
<v Speaker 4>McCracken coming in was like, what about your character? How

0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:48.960
<v Speaker 4>do you feel about these things? And you know he

0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 4>talked about it when we had him on the podcast.

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.760
<v Speaker 4>He really opened us all up to take these things

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.560
<v Speaker 4>a little more seriously, ask questions, and you could see

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 4>Sean become a character. You could see everybody like elevate

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 4>their game by emotionally informing and really thinking like real actors.

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 4>So it's interesting now that it seems like Alan was

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:09.920
<v Speaker 4>kind of going back to a more old school sitcom

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 4>let's just do our job thing. But I kind of

0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:14.919
<v Speaker 4>I like the idea of you know, sitting around and

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:15.639
<v Speaker 4>letting actors.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and that's what you should do. And I

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 3>don't know about you, but even when I be rehearsing,

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 3>or well, let's put this color on and see what

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 3>happens exactly. Yeah, you know, as opposed to just stand

0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:28.240
<v Speaker 3>here and do it. Well, why don't you try this?

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 3>You know that as an actor you try to do

0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 3>because if you're worth your assault as an actor, you

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:38.359
<v Speaker 3>have ideas, yes, yes, wow, what yeah. As a painter,

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:42.080
<v Speaker 3>if you're painting, I need this paint. Let me try

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.560
<v Speaker 3>what this looks like. You know, it's not by numbers.

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 3>It's the worst thing you can do what Alan was

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.439
<v Speaker 3>doing basically saying, your job as the actor is to

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 3>explore this and figure out what you want to do

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:56.439
<v Speaker 3>or not do. My job as a director is to

0:25:56.480 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 3>put you in the right spot where I can get

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:00.359
<v Speaker 3>the camera and I can get the shot that tells

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 3>my part of the story right, And as actors, yours

0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 3>to come in and say, wow, what, what's the behavior?

0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:09.880
<v Speaker 3>What's going on? How would you know? In different colors?

0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 3>You know?

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but that was.

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of what Jeff. You know, Jeff and I

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 3>went to the same acting school, you know, and that

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 3>was all about exploring, and nothing was the same in

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 3>any scene because you're hopefully he used the old cliche

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 3>moment the moment and everything's changing because it's luck.

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to ask you one question that doesn't really

0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:36.439
<v Speaker 1>have to do with directing, but do you remember anything

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:39.679
<v Speaker 1>about Tony Quinn leaving the show? So earlier in the season,

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>he's in like a couple of episodes and then he's

0:26:41.640 --> 0:26:44.879
<v Speaker 1>just off the show. Do you remember anything in particular?

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Did they tell you he was not going to be

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:49.760
<v Speaker 1>coming back. Were you aware that was going on or

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<v Speaker 1>was it just a surprise to you.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure was a surprise to me. I know, I

0:26:54.240 --> 0:27:00.119
<v Speaker 3>don't really remember. You know, I wasn't privy to any

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 3>of those decisions obviously, and I'm not sure. But did

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 3>Tony ever talk about it?

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 2>He did, Yeah, he was a surprise to him too.

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 2>It was a surprise to him too. He he thought

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.719
<v Speaker 2>he was coming back, and then he was kind of

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 2>called in and told that you're not. And then and

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:22.679
<v Speaker 2>then hey, go, you know, go pursue other options. And

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 2>so when he came back, he has haircut, he did

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 2>all the stuff, and he went to go pursue other

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>options and then they kind of stepped in like, well, wait,

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 2>you're with us, and he's like, wait, he told me

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:32.879
<v Speaker 2>that I wasn't and I was going to pursue other options.

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 2>So it was very muddled for him, I think would

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:36.359
<v Speaker 2>be the polite way to say it.

0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:40.679
<v Speaker 3>At the end, Yeah, I mean, who knows what happens

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.159
<v Speaker 3>back there. We decided, well, this storyline isn't going to

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 3>go where. Yeah you know, then you know, why are

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 3>we keeping Tony around?

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:27:50.840 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 3>All right, but as an actor you're barely expendable.

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Exactly very time.

0:27:59.520 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to mention a few season five episodes

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.199
<v Speaker 1>and see if you have any memories from them. There's no,

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>there's no guts, no, Corey. This is the episode where

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 1>you go back in time to World War two and

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 1>they have you doing your best patent. It is much

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>better than the Russian accent from the last time travel episode.

0:28:22.720 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 3>It wouldn't take much.

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you were like the grizzled sergeant with the with

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 2>the cigar in your mouth.

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 3>And play all those World War two movies that you

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.520
<v Speaker 3>remember that. I remember Alan Myers, I remember us directing that.

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you were in a bunker.

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh my god.

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a favorite episode of the show that

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:50.800
<v Speaker 2>you remember.

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Uh No, I think if you watching this one was

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 3>really one of my favorites and again watching it again again,

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 3>I give kudos to all you guys because it was

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 3>the intimacy and the life and the bravery to not

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:14.320
<v Speaker 3>do stick to be there, you know, which was what

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 3>you guys had learned over those years. So when you

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 3>left that show, you you had a lot of skills.

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. There was a very tapanga Christmas. This is

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:27.840
<v Speaker 1>where I become extremely annoying and try to alter the

0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Matthews Christmas. We wouldn't wouldn't really be shocked if this

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>episode rings no bells to you.

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, did you know that Matthew you were a

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 4>proponent of aluminum trees. Aluminum Christmas tree, like that's what

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 4>Alan wants in the house.

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember this, Well, there's a really important one

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:55.560
<v Speaker 1>for Alan called Raging Corey. This is a true Rusty

0:29:55.600 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 1>standout where you and Corey get into a physical fight

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>playing basketball and then you have skydive. Will mentioned we

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>talked about the plane with you guys having to scream

0:30:06.000 --> 0:30:08.720
<v Speaker 1>at each other. Do you remember that those run throughs

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>where you were having to yell over the noise. Do

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:12.240
<v Speaker 1>you remember taping that?

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I totally remember taping it. It was so much

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 3>fun because it was like you're on a World War

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 3>two movie set, and when you watch all those movies

0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 3>and you see those guys in the plane, you imagine

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 3>the noise. I watch a lot of things now going wow,

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:31.080
<v Speaker 3>and I'm looking off the frame and wondering, Okay, all

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.120
<v Speaker 3>these guys are over there smoking a cigarettes and getting

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 3>these things ready, and all the actors are over here

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 3>going I got to get lunch and get into this scene.

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I'm looking at the at the the work.

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:45.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm actually reading Kubrick's biography and all the work that

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 3>goes in to even the sitcom, you know. And what

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 3>I remember again about what was so fun to me

0:30:51.800 --> 0:30:54.479
<v Speaker 3>was it was like, it's like all those World War

0:30:54.560 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 3>two movies I grew up on watching, and here I

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 3>get to be in a plane with the sound and

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 3>the wind. Then the actors jump out.

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 6>You know.

0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 4>It was great, so much fun.

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>So talking about when you decided you thought you could

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>start directing, when you were working in film with people

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.880
<v Speaker 1>like William Friedkin and on TV with James Burrows, was

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it a job you thought Hey, I think I could

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>do that. I think I could handle it or was

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>it really once you were on Boy Meets World and

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>then realized you thought you could do multi caam.

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think you know, I always admired the directors

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 3>and I had no desire really at the moment. But

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 3>what I what I did know I could do is

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 3>work under pressure. And but again, the you know, my

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 3>ignorance of being ignorant is the only thing that kept

0:31:57.480 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 3>me going. So in a certain way, I would have

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 3>if I'd been on a show, say, you know, one camera,

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 3>single camera show and it was shows long enough, I

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 3>would have I would have said, yeah, let me let

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 3>me go in. I actually started to on a show

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 3>we did called Mister Sterling, which was with James Berlin

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 3>and it was a political show by Lawrence O'Donnell.

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 3>I was hoping that that would go for a year

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 3>or two or whatever, and I started kind of following

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 3>the directors around.

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 1>As we do yeah shadow, yeah, and it was.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 3>It didn't happen, But yeah, I think I would have

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 3>eventually if I'd had the opportunity. And but again it's

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 3>like there's so much I don't know that I don't

0:32:39.120 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 3>know that I would have had to go really understand.

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Was there a director that we had in the first

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 1>couple of seasons that you would have said you modeled

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>your style after or took inspiration from.

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think mainly what I looked for in directors

0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 3>that came in that show were how they treated the

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 3>actor and how they worked and moved the cameras. Whether

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:09.560
<v Speaker 3>there's any style that I noticed or not, again, I don't.

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't really know. I mean I certainly learned from

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 3>certain directors, but they have so much knowledge in their

0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 3>heads about how this frame works, and how this doesn't work,

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 3>and why this doesn't work and why we should try this.

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 3>I was just really going on a lot of instinct

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of good people around me. Really, I

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 3>was very lucky.

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Were we ever tough to work with? Like as as

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 2>the more episodes that you did, were we ever too

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:37.080
<v Speaker 2>big for our breches or you know, getting to the

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 2>point where it's been seven years, we know what we're doing, Rusty,

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Just point the camera at us and let her do

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 2>our thing. I mean, were we ever tough? Were we

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 2>ever tough?

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:45.719
<v Speaker 3>That's good? Yeah, just do it.

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Just put the camera on us, Rusty, We'll take it out.

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 3>We'll make the magic.

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 4>I could do. I could see we'll saying that.

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember I remember this? Do you guys are will?

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 4>You started giving Rusty so much you called him the directator.

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 4>You were like, oh, Rusty's a directator? Which is doing

0:34:11.120 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 4>it for non or was not? Like has just been

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 4>a joke? The most open like he would like, what

0:34:17.680 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 4>do you want to do? Like, he would marry everything

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 4>about the actors. So you started calling him a directator.

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 4>That's what I remember.

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the favorite part about working with Rusty's, especially

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 2>later in the episodes he was doing, was he would

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 2>direct us while also acting and were and we're being filmed.

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 2>So he'd be like, because that's the way it's supposed

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 2>to be, Eric and now turn in the middle of.

0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 3>You know that's from you know, that's old theater training, baby,

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:52.840
<v Speaker 3>Because you would get on that stage and all of

0:34:52.840 --> 0:34:57.720
<v Speaker 3>a sudden, that knife isn't there, That wasn't you gotta

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:02.919
<v Speaker 3>beat him to death, you gotta figure out I can't

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 3>find a knife, directator.

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 2>I love that it was you.

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 3>I want to say also, Danielle, the moments when you

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 3>dealt with that letter and all that stuff, it was

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.719
<v Speaker 3>just beautiful. And I was watching, you know when it

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:21.759
<v Speaker 3>kind of went to the next episode and it was

0:35:22.480 --> 0:35:25.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, but it was again. I think, you guys

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:31.760
<v Speaker 3>just again. I loved the episode because it's about maturing, Yeah,

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:35.319
<v Speaker 3>and it's also about relationships and even even the you know,

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 3>you have to be truthful in a relationship. You know.

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 3>The whole story was so poignant, and I think at

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:45.920
<v Speaker 3>a certain time in your lives, it was very interesting

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 3>to be there with it, and you guys just brought it.

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:51.919
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're very kind. You're constantly deflecting it back onto us,

0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 1>but you know, it has a show. Is it a

0:35:57.080 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>lot to do with you? We were all so blown

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>away by Linda Cardelini in this episode, and you also

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 1>got some nice Bill Daniels scenes. Uh directing Bill? What's

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>it like to direct Bill Daniels?

0:36:11.239 --> 0:36:11.479
<v Speaker 4>Bill?

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 3>Bill was so much fun, and I think, and I've

0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 3>been told that he was really glad I had been there,

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:20.839
<v Speaker 3>and you know, we had worked like two we had

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:24.399
<v Speaker 3>done two TV movies or I'd done Saying Elsewhere Right

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 3>episodes with him, and we had done a TV movie

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 3>not two years before ward Jeff Goldbloom and Robert Preston

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 3>and Lynn Red Gray, Oh my god, you know, and

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 3>so he was a known quantity and for whatever reason,

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 3>I didn't annoy him as most people you.

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Know, yes, yes, not all of us here can say that.

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you know, whatever is We got along Gray,

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 3>and I remember standing there on that set and just

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 3>talking to him and saying, yeah, you come down the

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 3>stairs and blah blah blah, you'll be fine, don't worry

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 3>about it. And then you know, you didn't have to

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:12.439
<v Speaker 3>direct him or do anything, just just don't confuse him,

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 3>which really wasn't an issue. But you know, he didn't

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 3>like the hooplas you know. Yeah, and once he got

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 3>over that, he knew what was going on and he

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 3>knew you know, he loved directors that would take care

0:37:24.480 --> 0:37:27.359
<v Speaker 3>of him and knew what was going on and what

0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 3>was important to him. Did he get back to his

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:30.320
<v Speaker 3>dressing room and get to his book.

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he's like a.

0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 3>Joy, a joy to work with.

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 4>But do you remember, did we have an audience this

0:37:36.040 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 4>week or did we do this without an audience?

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:42.880
<v Speaker 3>That's a good question. I don't think we had an

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 3>audience because yeah, and you know, when and I watched

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:54.800
<v Speaker 3>and was kind of jarring when when Ben and Linda

0:37:54.960 --> 0:38:02.239
<v Speaker 3>kiss that I went, where's the audience going? Yeah, oh,

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 3>that's right. We probably didn't have it on. But then

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 3>of course we had laugh track, But no, I don't

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 3>think we I'm trying to remember, but.

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 4>My instinct is that we didn't shooting off to the

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 4>side with on the on a weird news set for

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 4>most of the episode, and and then the fact that

0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 4>we had that insert at the ski launch, it just

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 4>makes me think that we decided to not have an

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.760
<v Speaker 4>audience this week, and and I think it it actually

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 4>lends itself to a more intimate performance from everybody, it doesn't,

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.319
<v Speaker 4>you know, it does. And then it's interesting to point

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 4>out that kiss moment because if we had had an audience,

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 4>they might have wooed.

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, would have been a minute, no.

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 4>Reaction, but it would have been a great way to

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 4>gauge like, how do people feel about Corey and Tapanga

0:38:52.400 --> 0:38:53.880
<v Speaker 4>at this point? Like it would have been. But we

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 4>didn't have an audience, so there's nothing there because they

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:58.840
<v Speaker 4>didn't add it in, you know, But but the editors

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 4>could have decided, like how to want to make the

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.840
<v Speaker 4>audience feel about this, but they leave it vague. It's interesting,

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 4>which is great.

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Are you absolutely gray in the area. It's so strange

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 2>because there's a part of me that, having watched it,

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 2>not been in it and just watch it as a

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 2>as a fan, I could feel that maybe there wasn't

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:22.320
<v Speaker 2>an audience there. But at the same time, I would

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:26.320
<v Speaker 2>think as an audience member, I mean, what a perfect

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>show to watch because you're on one set essentially the

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.239
<v Speaker 2>entire times, like the entire shows would take place right

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.680
<v Speaker 2>in front of you, So something like that would have

0:39:34.680 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 2>been interesting. But I think you probably benefited from not

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 2>having the audience there that week exactly. Yeah, it was wonder.

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.720
<v Speaker 3>And again I'll say that I think in the bigger

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.640
<v Speaker 3>overall picture, it was an interesting show because you guys started,

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 3>not that you started, because you always have been, but

0:39:55.200 --> 0:40:00.800
<v Speaker 3>you're growing into a different maturity as characters but also

0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 3>in your life as people, and I think you know,

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.839
<v Speaker 3>and that's and and honestly, I'm so glad there wasn't

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:08.360
<v Speaker 3>an audience because I know there would have been a

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 3>who I just know it. You know it. You watched

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 3>a million of these shows and there's something like that

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:18.879
<v Speaker 3>unless there isn't an audience, right, And as you say,

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.759
<v Speaker 3>it was an interesting choice. And I'm sure they had

0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 3>to make this choice, and somebody said, do you want

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 3>to woo exactly because I wasn't in the you know,

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm not in the final mix, if I remember.

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:35.839
<v Speaker 4>Correctly, directors, you turn it one cut.

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 3>But again, like I said, it was really interesting to

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 3>watch this, and again the whole idea of in this

0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 3>other little world, you guys are born yep, you know,

0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 3>to a different level of maturity as the characters. And

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 3>I think also, as I say, at this point in

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.960
<v Speaker 3>your life, you were really coming into your own as people.

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I wonder how intentional it was too. For that same reason,

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.800
<v Speaker 1>the intimacy this episode required that you were the person

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 1>who directed it. Do you remember there being any sort

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>of like, hey, Rusty, the episode you're directing, like some

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 1>pre warning this is gonna be.

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 4>Because of Aspen extreme right, they knew.

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 2>You were movie, don't even start. Great movie, great episode, scenes,

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 2>great movie.

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 3>I think Michael, again, if I remember correctly, I wasn't.

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:34.200
<v Speaker 3>You know, it was a surprise to me. But I

0:41:34.239 --> 0:41:36.879
<v Speaker 3>remember when you asked me that that. I think he said,

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 3>it's a really good episode, yeah, and I went, okay, good.

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.720
<v Speaker 3>And again, what how I ended up with that? Episode.

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure. Maybe you had me in mind the

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 3>whole time but just didn't tell me until we But

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 3>that's again memory, you know, is that.

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.600
<v Speaker 4>You, I mean you and I ended up in Aspen

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 4>with Michael, skiing together at one point. So when you

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.680
<v Speaker 4>going to Aspen and skime on a regular bass with Michael.

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 3>No, no, I had skied and ass and Aspen extreme,

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 3>and I had been an Aspen during the Don Johnson days.

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 2>That's when Aspen was as when you got Don Johnson

0:42:15.600 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 2>and William rust.

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Hill.

0:42:20.200 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Since yeah, really that's awesome.

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 3>I actually broke my leg and Aspen.

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:30.000
<v Speaker 4>But that's another story.

0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of speaking of things like that we talked about.

0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>We told the story not too long ago about me

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 2>driving for you when you were hang gliding. Yeah, are

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 2>you still doing any hang gliding stuff? And okay, I

0:42:43.280 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 2>was wondering about you.

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.319
<v Speaker 3>After I had my big bicycle accident, I went back

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 3>flying for a couple of years. But it's the kind

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 3>of thing that's just it's a pay attention sport, right,

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.279
<v Speaker 3>and it's also a highly skilled sport where if you

0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 3>don't keep your skills up, you know, if you don't die,

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 3>at least to me, if I didn't fly at least two, three,

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:08.799
<v Speaker 3>four times a month or even more. Then you know,

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.239
<v Speaker 3>your skills get a little rusty, and it's it's not

0:43:11.360 --> 0:43:19.319
<v Speaker 3>just where, it's not golf. Right enough, stop flying, you

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 3>can really cop. Yeah, I loved it. It was a

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 3>great sport. And thank you for driving.

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.360
<v Speaker 2>No, it's fine. I ended up buying your truck after that.

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:28.239
<v Speaker 2>So it worked, worked like a charm. Yeah, I work

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 2>like a charm.

0:43:29.320 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't do that anymore. I'm still on my

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 3>bike though. Okay, you know I wish I could.

0:43:34.640 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 1>But was this the first time you had seen Heartbreak

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 1>Cory since you directed it, or have you watched it

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:41.600
<v Speaker 1>in the year since.

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 3>I think it's the first time I've seen it.

0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>And so what did you think of your directorial debut.

0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, I wasn't even thinking of that, but I think

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 3>it's pretty darn good. Yes, I'll go back to it.

0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:56.759
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm just a traffic cop. I mean the

0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 3>stuff that's there. You're the thing that people see. The

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:03.239
<v Speaker 3>writing is the thing that people hear, and hopefully the

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 3>directing is the thing people aren't aware about.

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Do you think you critique you're directing the same way

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 1>you critique your acting.

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think so, because the acting is so spontaneous. Well,

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 3>in a certain way. I mean, all of them are

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 3>about telling stories, and you know, I think I told

0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 3>the story. Yes, episode, and that's what it's about. And

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 3>as an actor, that's what you're doing. Although in a

0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 3>certain way. The interesting thing about being an actor is

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 3>every time you do a scene, it's like writing a story,

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:41.120
<v Speaker 3>except you can use different words. Yeah, literally words. I'm

0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 3>talking about different colors, you know. So every time I

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 3>do this scene with you, hopefully there's something alive in

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 3>it that changes because life, just even this exchange we're

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 3>having here will be different in thirty seconds. Yes, but

0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:57.920
<v Speaker 3>it's interesting. Good question.

0:44:58.480 --> 0:45:01.000
<v Speaker 1>So after this episode to Boy Meets World, a few

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.560
<v Speaker 1>years later, you got to direct an episode of Lizzie Maguire.

0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>How did that happen?

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, gosh, wonderful producer i'd worked for. I did a

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 3>series for it, was producing it and I just kind

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 3>of bugged them. I said, I come over and do

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 3>one of these shows. Maybe can I observe and go

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:23.879
<v Speaker 3>do the show? And I was trying to man, I'm

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 3>looking for work. Yeah, and he was great, and he said, sure,

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:30.400
<v Speaker 3>come on over and we'll throw you an episode, and

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:33.680
<v Speaker 3>I was lucky to do it, and it was really

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:35.720
<v Speaker 3>a silly episode and I had a lot of fun.

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 3>The crew was a little burnt out. I mean, yeah,

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:43.319
<v Speaker 3>I have to say, you guys, we're all lucky that

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 3>we always had good crews that were always to be

0:45:46.200 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 3>there and they're happy to be there a lot because

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 3>of you guys and who they were working with. And

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:55.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, you've been on sets where it's not quite

0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 3>that all the time. Yeah, And I think these guys

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 3>had you know, I remember, never forget. They had what

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 3>they called the flail meter, you know, like we're flailing

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:10.800
<v Speaker 3>and they would have the flail meter on the set

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:15.520
<v Speaker 3>and they would be like, Okay, we're really flailing.

0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, it's like a death con meter for a

0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:19.160
<v Speaker 2>nuclear war.

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 4>That's what I said.

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 3>But you don't And again, you guys are you know

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 3>and I know you know this. It was a very

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:31.320
<v Speaker 3>special thing. And other shows have this too, I'm not. Yeah,

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:35.360
<v Speaker 3>but it's not always the rule that everyone gets along

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 3>together and everyone goes to work, and god knows, personalities

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.360
<v Speaker 3>get in the way and he goes and and everything.

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 3>But it was still a great shoot. Stan Rogo producer,

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.320
<v Speaker 3>and I had done a I had done a series

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 3>with him called Middle Ages with Gosh, Michael O'Neill, know,

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 3>with a Michael O'Neill and Peter Riegert were three characters

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 3>and Amy who went on to be a big star anyway.

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 3>But you know, we had done a series called Middle

0:47:06.200 --> 0:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>Ages and that's how I knew Stan Rogo.

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.320
<v Speaker 3>So that's how I ended up on Lizzie McGuire.

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:15.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, then you would come back and be behind the

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:18.840
<v Speaker 1>camera for Girl Meets World. You directed season two called

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Girl Meets Hurricane. Did Michael reach out to you for that? One?

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 1>Was that a similar situation? Elevator pitch?

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Which one was that Girl Meets Hurricane Comes Back?

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 4>It was Trina? Was Trina's only episode of Girl Meets World?

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Right, Oh, you were already on set.

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 3>You were around and trying to make a buck.

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, you would come back.

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 4>For the same episode. I came back for the holiday

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:43.279
<v Speaker 4>episode to act it.

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:45.680
<v Speaker 4>We all went back for that, and then you ended

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:49.160
<v Speaker 4>up just sticking around and becoming Michael Michael.

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, Michael was very sweet. He called me

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 3>and because I was out in Tahatchebe as Claire was

0:47:55.880 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 3>working in the emergency psychiatric and he you know, i'd

0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 3>come out and we've done that, and I said, you know,

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 3>I'd be interested in directing if you could find a

0:48:06.239 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 3>slot for me or something. And I don't know if

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:11.719
<v Speaker 3>I started coming to set just hanging out, but I

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:13.080
<v Speaker 3>think he called me and said, would you like to

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:14.120
<v Speaker 3>be the dialogue coach?

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Thought about it?

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:17.279
<v Speaker 4>Sure?

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Why not? You know, if I got a job, I

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:22.840
<v Speaker 3>got a job, and you know, I love you know,

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:27.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm very fortunate again that I was able to find

0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:31.799
<v Speaker 3>this world that made sense to me. And I understood

0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 3>as soon as I was backstage somewhere in the theater

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 3>or somewhere or on a lot or showing up at

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 3>four am for breakfast to shoot something, I said, this

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:43.239
<v Speaker 3>is the world I understand.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I almost get a little bit clemped thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I love just being on the set. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>would have been you know, I'm the guy, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the guy in the circus shivel in the elevent

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<v Speaker 3>doing this like a what which show biz? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>love it. I'm very fortunate to find it and I

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<v Speaker 3>still feel fortunate about it. So yeah, that and that's

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<v Speaker 3>how I ended up over and girl, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>a great exercise and watching yeah girls and obviously watching

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<v Speaker 3>Sabrina lately. Yes, I'll take off. It's fun And it

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<v Speaker 3>was great being around you and Ben and and again

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<v Speaker 3>I go back to Michael. He always had good people

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<v Speaker 3>around and it was always a joy. And I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think I contributed just being able to be there

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<v Speaker 3>and breathe when things got stressful weird, and things get

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<v Speaker 3>stressful at times, like remember when Will came on and.

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<v Speaker 1>He was such a problem child.

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<v Speaker 7>Will I like it the way I like it because

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<v Speaker 7>I'm right, but not again, I you know, as I say, I,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I won a lottery.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really quite special time. And all you guys, by.

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<v Speaker 2>The way, it was Amy Brenneman with you in Middle Ages.

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<v Speaker 3>Amy Brenneman, right, That was an.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible cast, by the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh and she was great. Oh, it was a great cast.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember that very specifically because I literally picked

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:17.800
<v Speaker 3>her up at the studio and took her to a

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<v Speaker 3>rented apart because she had just flown in and it

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 3>was during the La riots. Oh jeez, and because we

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<v Speaker 3>had we kind of had to postpone things. All this

0:50:27.239 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 3>stuff was going on, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome the Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what it was, it was, you know, and thought

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<v Speaker 3>about that.

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<v Speaker 2>She's from Connecticut. Her her mom was a was a judge.

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<v Speaker 2>My parents know her mother because she was a judge

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<v Speaker 2>in the court system. So she went on to do

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<v Speaker 2>a show about her mom called Judging Amy.

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<v Speaker 3>That's yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Rusty, thank you as always for coming and spending

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<v Speaker 1>your time with us. It was so great to talk

0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to you about your directorial debut. We will have to

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<v Speaker 1>have you back when you have another episode that you direct.

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<v Speaker 1>We always loved talking to you and love seeing you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being generous with your time with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, thank you for being you and you and you

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<v Speaker 3>and you all right out.

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<v Speaker 1>So much fun. I really did wonder like if Michael

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<v Speaker 1>thought ahead to the fact that this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a softer, quieter, more vulnerable boy meets World episode

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<v Speaker 1>and thought, let's let one of our own direct it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I also picked one that he clearly wasn't in, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>which which I mean is also helpful where it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not doing double duty for especially his first episode.

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<v Speaker 4>You did that a lot, I guess because he was

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<v Speaker 4>in the other Oh yeah, Like I never had to do.

0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:45.959
<v Speaker 4>Like when I was on Girl Meets World, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>I never directed an episode that I was in. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a different thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always so nice to talk to Rusty, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't know, you know, it comes across, but

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.160
<v Speaker 1>there are just those people that no matter how much

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<v Speaker 1>time passes, it's always so comforting when you see him

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<v Speaker 1>again and you're just like, it's just like, exactly like

0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the last time I saw you and hung out with

0:52:03.080 --> 0:52:04.279
<v Speaker 1>you and talk to you, and it's as if no

0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:05.000
<v Speaker 1>time is passed.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's also such an inspiration when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the type of actor I'd like to be, the type

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<v Speaker 2>of the entertainer I'd like to be where nothing is

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<v Speaker 2>beneath Rusty. I know, it's like, no, this is another

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of the industry that I want to learn or

0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:19.759
<v Speaker 2>that I could be good at. And I, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be on the set. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be part of it.

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<v Speaker 5>I want it.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just it's so inspirational because there are times

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:26.759
<v Speaker 2>where you're like you meet actors where it's like I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do a commercial, or I wouldn't write this, or

0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't do this part. And he's like, no, this

0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:33.279
<v Speaker 2>is this is my job, this is my business. I

0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:34.960
<v Speaker 2>want to learn every aspect of it and I could

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:36.560
<v Speaker 2>be good at every aspect of it. And it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is such an inspiration. Well, thank you all

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