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Speaker 1: Welcome back, guys to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast. Today,

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Speaker 1: I got my good buddy, Josh Boyd in the house.

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Speaker 1: We're at the Western Hunting Expo here in Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful Salt Lake City. Josh and I kind of go

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Speaker 1: way back. We've known each other for I don't know,

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Speaker 1: probably since ten, twenty ten eleven, somewhere in there. Through

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Speaker 1: love and passion for elk hunting. First became acquainted with

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Speaker 1: Josh and seen some articles he wrote, some web articles

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Speaker 1: on elk hunting, and I immediately loved the information he

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Speaker 1: was given out.

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Speaker 2: But I also loved the voice.

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Speaker 1: Different writers have kind of a different voice in their writings,

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Speaker 1: and I always loved Josh's voice of his writing. So

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Speaker 1: I became an instant fan. And then as I get

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Speaker 1: to know Josh over the years, I like to kind

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Speaker 1: of refer to him as the Elk Master. You know,

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Speaker 1: some people know about the movie Beast Master. This guy

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Speaker 1: is the Elk Master. He's probably one of the most

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Speaker 1: humble people you're ever gonna meet, and he would never

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Speaker 1: tell you about his body.

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Speaker 2: Count on elk.

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Speaker 1: But let's just say it's up there, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to share it because some people don't like to share,

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Speaker 1: you know, with everyone, but let's just say very accomplished

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Speaker 1: elk hunter and I have the most respect for this man,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just happy to sit down and have an

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Speaker 1: official conversation on a podcast about elk hunting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: him and I can get on the phone or sit

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Speaker 1: there and bs each other at this trade show and

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Speaker 1: ours will tick by talking about elk and it's probably

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Speaker 1: one of the best elk conversational people I enjoyed to

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Speaker 1: talk to.

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Speaker 2: So welcome Josh. Thanks Derk. Yeah, no, we could. It's

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Speaker 2: an enjoyable top and like you said, I can talk

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Speaker 2: about it for hours and any day, anytime. And I

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Speaker 2: do know my body count, and I've told a few people.

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Speaker 2: But the only reason I know it is because I

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Speaker 2: keep a spreadsheet of where and when and how and

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Speaker 2: how far I shoot HLK and it goes way back,

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Speaker 2: you know, into the eighties, and it's it's nice to

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Speaker 2: be able to go back and look at the drainage,

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Speaker 2: how far I shot, what it was like. It just

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Speaker 2: sparks memories, but it just just gives me an idea

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Speaker 2: of how things have changed and kind of where I've

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Speaker 2: kind of kind of progressed as an elk hunter, So

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Speaker 2: I do know my body count, and a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago, I had a number that I was kind

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Speaker 2: of momentous for me, and it was a bowl that

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Speaker 2: was like it took everything in my quiver to get

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Speaker 2: this thing killed and it was perfect. It was perfect,

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Speaker 2: and it was a little rag it was, but it

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Speaker 2: was a perfect hunt. So anyway, that's what I love

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Speaker 2: about you.

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Speaker 1: You love big bulls as much or more than anybody,

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Speaker 1: but you also love rag bulls. You love elk hunting

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Speaker 1: just for the pure love of the game. Not it's

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Speaker 1: not about inches, it's not about anything other than this

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Speaker 2: You look up one day it's like, hey.

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Speaker 1: I'm approaching a monumental number. That's cool. This is going

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Speaker 1: to be really cool. And then to be happy with

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Speaker 2: Everybody has that attitude. So that's I appreciate that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: to me, I mean success is packing elk meat. I love.

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Speaker 2: I love to carry elk meat out of the mountains.

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Speaker 2: So anytime I can do that, man, it's success. It

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we were just talking yesterday about what makes

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Speaker 1: good elk hunting partners. You know, that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a good conversation. People have a lot and I

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Speaker 1: we're getting a little off track of what we kind

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Speaker 1: of talked initially talked about. This podcast is going to

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Speaker 1: be about this. It's elk cutting related, right, but the

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Speaker 1: fact that having an elk cutting partner that looks forward

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Speaker 1: And I know, personally I want my elk cutting partner.

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Speaker 1: And I always feel like that there's no better, greater

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Speaker 1: you know, successful elk cutting brings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And some of the most tense situations for me,

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Speaker 2: How can you work this bull? How can you get

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Speaker 2: that is one of the most exciting, nerve wracking things

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Speaker 2: and yeah, just seeing their success is great. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: having a good partner is key.

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Speaker 1: I sometimes feel like I try even harder if I'm

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Speaker 1: I might like if I'm just doing it for myself,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, this bull seems like he's

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Speaker 1: If we want to put that much effort into it.

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Speaker 1: But if my friend, I'm like trying as hard as

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Speaker 1: he was thirteen, his first year bow hunting, he'd o't

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Speaker 1: he'd rifle hunted the year before bow hunting, thirteen and

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Speaker 1: calling in this bowl and as we're as we're moving

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Speaker 1: He would just kind of chuckle and rake and chuckle

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Speaker 1: So he would chuckle and rake, and I would chuckle

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Speaker 2: Evidently I was excited, Like I got there, he's got

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Speaker 1: But that's that's what you know, trying to get someone

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, and it's and it's nice to have

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Speaker 2: better be able to give in also receive. So it's yeah,

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Speaker 2: it is a it's a good relationship, and they're hard

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Speaker 2: I'm ready, let's go hunt. You want to do this

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Speaker 2: out the other side like a car to car hunt. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm in. Without blinking an eye, Yeah sounds great, sounds

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Speaker 2: bulls that are not cooperative, don't want to talk, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and grizzly bears and grizzly bears to boot. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard to get a taker on on those

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Speaker 1: But that's what makes when you finally do find success.

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Speaker 1: It makes that berry so much sweeter. It's not a

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Speaker 1: great and it's a raghorn and I just won the lottery.

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Speaker 1: I'm a I feel like a millionaire right now because

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Speaker 2: Then yeah, yeah, there is that sense of well, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of times there's a sense of oh what

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of times I'm by myself too, and

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Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, no, okay, I guess this just

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Speaker 2: got real. Yeah, yeah, it got real. And then you

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Speaker 2: rely upon those same people to come help. I've got

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Speaker 2: you know, two or three guys that they will drop

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Speaker 2: their whatever they're doing at work, Like, yep, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: my boss, I'll take a day of vacation come help

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Speaker 2: you pack meat, which is I mean, that's worth more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't pay for that kind of a friendship

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Speaker 1: like you could offer people, I'll give you five hundred

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Speaker 2: Be like, I'm not doing that. That's crazy. I know

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Speaker 2: where that is. It rains, Yeah, it's raining right now.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I've done the same. This

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Speaker 2: past year was one of those years where I had

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Speaker 2: some a couple of bulls. I killed two bulls last fall,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was weekdays. It was rent one day,

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Speaker 2: the one in Idaho was raining really hard, wind was blowing.

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Speaker 2: We had to pack this thing uphill up this ridge

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Speaker 2: through brush. There happened to be a grizzly bear right

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Speaker 1: So, Josh, for those who don't know you your personal life,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's cool. So how did you get into

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Speaker 2: mom would take me out and like drop me off

431
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 2: at my tree stand and then come picked me up

432
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: after dark. So I don't white tails when I was younger,

433
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: but for elk cunning, you know, my mom's not going

434
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 2: to drag me up in the mountains and or just

435
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 2: dropped me off anywhere, right, So they're super supportive and

436
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: they let me go out, you know, with the neighbor

437
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: down the street, my buddy and his dad and his

438
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: older brother, so those are my mentors of the area.

439
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: But I just remember, like when I was like eleven ten,

440
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: eleven twelve, the neighborhood right behind where I lived. I

441
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 2: walked back there one time and one of the local

442
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: guys rolled in with the elk in the back of

443
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: his truck, and you know in hole rib cage is

444
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: split open. He had his bow jammed in there. I

445
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 2: just visically remembering those orange eastern arrows and a quiver

446
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: just sticking out of the rib cave, bear razorheads or

447
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: what people were shooting back then. Everybody's shooting p s

448
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: from the local shop over in the Flathead. So it

449
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,479
Speaker 2: was like when I saw that, I was like, I

450
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: want to hunt elk with a bow. I want to

451
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: get all I want to do, and so I've kind

452
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: of tried to gear my life towards, like my lifestyle

453
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: to be able to hunt as much as I can

454
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: hunt elk. I want to live in places where they're available.

455
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 2: I can do it every year, and I can do

456
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: it as much as possible. Yeah, I think I think

457
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 2: I succeeded.

458
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, You've done great. You've built a great life

459
00:24:45,320 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: around that. I feel like you're you're your career. Your

460
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: personal career is a very complimentary field to be in

461
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: to help you achieve those life goals of being an

462
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: elk hunter. And it's out in the mountains a lot.

463
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: You probably see some milk side and you probably make

464
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: a little mental notes and just having the love of

465
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: the mountains and outdoors as that's so complimentary.

466
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: It's just like you live the dream. Yeah. Yeah. Being

467
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: able to spend as much time as I do outside

468
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 2: is just unbelievable. I mean I get to spend a

469
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: ton at work and then a lot of my free

470
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: time i'm out. I mean I probably spend counting time

471
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: at work and hunting and other activities. You know, it's

472
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: easily two hundred and fifty days a year I'm outside. Wow,

473
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: that's awesome. But yeah, it's fun. It's good.

474
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, your beginning elk story is reminiscent of mine a lot.

475
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: My dad and uncle. You know, they went elk hunting

476
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: all the time, rifle hunting. They're never bow hunting. In fact,

477
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: my dad was always, ah, They'm damn bow hunters. You know,

478
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: he's just you hear all the stories. You know, they'd

479
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: find it. Somebody'd find an elk with an arrow in it.

480
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's really hard to tell if you find

481
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: an elk with a bullet. Sometimes yes, so it's always

482
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: you know that. At the time, the bow hunters really

483
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: got a lot of blame.

484
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: And I showed interest to it.

485
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: And for as long as I can remember, I wanted

486
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: to hunt elk and deer and anything, you know, the

487
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: big game. But elk and deer were on the menu

488
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: for where I lived in Idaho, and my first encounter

489
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: with elk in September I was I thought I was

490
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: gonna shoot a bear at this pond and I was fourteen,

491
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: and my dad dropped me off like an hour before daylight,

492
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: and I walk over and get it. Sit next to

493
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: this pond, i'd been sitting bear tracks. I'm thinking, oh yeah,

494
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: this bear's gonna come in in the morning the first

495
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: light and get some water. I'm gonna get him. And

496
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: I sit there and hear a bunch of brush pop,

497
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: and out pops these these cow elk and a raghorn bowl,

498
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: and they come over and get a drink, and the

499
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: bowl goes out in the pond and splashes around. And

500
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm like twenty yards from these things, leaning up against

501
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: a tree with my rifle, hunting elk or hunting bears,

502
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: and they wander off, and I was about ready to explode,

503
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: like I have got to get to town and buy

504
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: buy some arrows. I had a bow at the time,

505
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: a yard sale bow I'd bought. It was like a

506
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: bear Kodiak Magnum fifty pound. But I didn't even have

507
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: a good arrow to shoot out of it. I didn't

508
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: even know if I could hit the broadside of a barn.

509
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: But I'm like, my dad, come picked me up. I'm like, Okay,

510
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: we got to go to town. We got to buy

511
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: some arrows. We gotta get broadheads and an elk tag

512
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna come back tomorrow. I'm gonna shoot this elk.

513
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: He's like, you're not shooting an elk with a bow.

514
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: You can't kill elk with a bow. I said, yes,

515
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: you can. I know people, there's the same thing. There's

516
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: those guys in the community, like they get an elk

517
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: pretty often with a bow and it can be done.

518
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, I'm not doing it. I was

519
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: so pissed. I was so deflated. I was so mad.

520
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: That's about the only thing good going I had going.

521
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't have anything fun to do. I

522
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: lived in a town of eight hundred people in North Idaho.

523
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: There's nothing to do. We didn't have video games. We

524
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: didn't have I mean, you might get to watch Gilligan's

525
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: Island at three o'clock in the afternoon. That was about

526
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: the highlight of your day, right. I was just like,

527
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: I was so crushed. I'm like, well, I told him myself, well,

528
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: next year, I'm working all summer, I'm making my own

529
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: money and I'm gonna buy my own bow and everything.

530
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: He's like, okay or whatever.

531
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: So anyway, I got I worked hard, bought my bow,

532
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: bought a brand new compound bow, bought all the arrows,

533
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: bought my Easton Orange arrows, XEX seventy five. I had

534
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,479
Speaker 1: a high Country Trophy hunter bow built in Lowist in Idaho.

535
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, that was a big local brand for sure.

536
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Bought some camo and my dad's like, wow, you're

537
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: really serious about this. I didn't squander a penny on

538
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 1: anything other than hunting stuff. Bought some diaphragms and bugle

539
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: tube and he's like, I'll tell you what if you

540
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: kill an elk, you kill a bull elk, I'll pay

541
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: it back for all everything you spent. I'd spend it,

542
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, five hundred bucks, which was a lot,

543
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: a lot of butt money for you know, a fifteen

544
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: year old kid had been.

545
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: Bucking hay bales all summer, sweating like a dog, you know.

546
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: And fast forward like third day a season. I bugle

547
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: in this bowl and shoot it, kill it, and my

548
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: mom took me out, you know, she's she We had

549
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: elk close to town, though, so I didn't have to

550
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: hunt the mountains man. We were down the low country

551
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: and my mom she was sitting and pick up waiting

552
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: for me, and she could.

553
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: Hear the whole thing.

554
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: Me get this bowl, bugle, and she heard all the

555
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: exchange and then everything went quiet, and then I come

556
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: back to the truck.

557
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, I got it, So.

558
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: I sent awesome, Yeah, I sent her back to town

559
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: to get my dad. And she's like, well, get your

560
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: come along and you're five hundred bucks. They're just shot

561
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: a bull elk And he's like, no, he didn't, he did,

562
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: so he grat We had this old beater truck we

563
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: used to haul firewood in, so we wood truck, wood truck,

564
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: so four wheel drive.

565
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: He brought that.

566
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: He had this big change driven come along, you know,

567
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: and we went. We found the bowl, We recovered the bowl,

568
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: gut it out. We were able to pull the truck

569
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: right up to it, load that sucker hole, you know,

570
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: with the color loaded a hole. And uh, I don't

571
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: think I ever ever seen my dad so proud, you know. Ever,

572
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: he was so pumped. He paid. He made it good

573
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: on the deal, paid me and but local, you know

574
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: I talk about mentors. You know, I didn't have a

575
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of mentors. There were some of those guys in

576
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: the community. One of my high school teacher I had,

577
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: uh mister powers. He was.

578
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: He taught physical.

579
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: Science and math and calculus and all this stuff. And

580
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't one of the smart kids. I didn't take

581
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: any calculus I had, like I think I had like

582
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: general math and physical science. So but he was just

583
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: a dick at school, Like he was just he he

584
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: kind of talked funny, and he talked fast, and he's

585
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: kind of hard to understand and and the kids kind

586
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: of gave him a hard time and he man, he

587
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: would get mad and just kind of he's a little

588
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: bit of a dick. But one day, it was like

589
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: right after Labor Day weekend, he brought a big.

590
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: L crack in.

591
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: He's like, I got this bowl, shot this bowl with

592
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: my bow. And I was like, mister Powers is cool.

593
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: I think he might be cool. So I went over

594
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: his house after school one day. I'm like, hey, can

595
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: I can I shoot your target out here? And he

596
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: had a target out in his yard. So that that

597
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: was the year before I started bow hunting. So then

598
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, you can shoot my target.

599
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: So I practiced.

600
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: I'd go shoot his target, and he'd tell me elk

601
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: hunting stories about you know, calling in bulls, and and

602
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: he'd get to he'd get to telling the story and

603
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: he just started cussing like a sailor, like this mother effort,

604
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: this yeah, he was dropping like like he had the

605
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: horrendous language, right, And I was like.

606
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: Oh goll, this guy's so cool.

607
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: And I and for years, you know, for decades after that,

608
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: I'd go I'd just go visit him and his wife

609
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: sitting in their house and visit and so he would

610
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: I would call him a mentor. And another guy I

611
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: had of this friend growing up, my agent, his dad.

612
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: Him and his dad we were into archery big time.

613
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: And his dad, it's a very accomplished tournament, had shot

614
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: a lot of elk with a bow. And this is

615
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: in the eighties in Idaho, the heyday, right. I thought,

616
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: this guy is like pretty much god a elk hunting yep.

617
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: So I'm like, Rick, you got to tell me how

618
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: help me out here? I got to I'm trying to

619
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: learn how to call elk and how do you do it?

620
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: And he's like he's like, I bugle a lot different

621
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: than everybody else. I'm like, oh my god, this is

622
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great. My brother in law, Randy,

623
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: who was my best friend at that time when we

624
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: were growing up in high school, he was there with

625
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: me and we're just all ears are just like just

626
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: hanging on his every word and he's like he's like, well,

627
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: most people they take their tube and they when they bugle,

628
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: they kind of go to the left.

629
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: I go to the right with my tube. And he

630
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: was just like dead ass serious.

631
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: And I'm like okay, and I'm waiting for the rest

632
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: of it. And that was it. And I looked at Randy.

633
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, we've been had this guy don't know shit

634
00:32:54,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: about calling ELK. So okay, cool man'll see you later.

635
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: So we got we had our tubes and her calls

636
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: and just would blow them constantly, NonStop. My dad and

637
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: now were cutting firewood. One time I was blowing blowing

638
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: my oak tube and pretent a whole bunch of ravens

639
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: came in, like like ten ravens just came flocking in

640
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: and like ah, like in the tree and they they

641
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: stopped and pushed in the trees and were looking down.

642
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: I'm just ripping bugles and I'm like, I don't think

643
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: that's a good thing.

644
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: I'm calling it ravens something. I think something's dying over here.

645
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: Oh that's too funny. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah. It was

646
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: like learning to call was one of those things that

647
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: like you just some guy, well, well, When I started,

648
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 2: people were voice bugling a lot, Yes, carrying PVC plants.

649
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: They spray painting them. Some of them had special little

650
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: bit'd heat them up with the torch and put a

651
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: little bend in, oh to get the sound waves that

652
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: travel differently or something to a lot of voice bugling.

653
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: And then the diaphragm came along, and then we know

654
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: how that turned out. Yeah, it's changed, change, change the

655
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: sport for sure. Yeah.

656
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: My brothers had a friend named Harley and he was

657
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: he was a big bowhunter too, and he was telling

658
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: me about he was one of those voice buglers with

659
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: the PBC.

660
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: Pipe and he's telling me about bugle. This buls along

661
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: my throat bread. You know.

662
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: He was one of the guys that would inhale, you

663
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: know bugle. Yes, it almost sounds like he was calling hogs.

664
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: That's the way I had the voice bugle. I couldn't

665
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: do I couldn't do it blowing out. I had to

666
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: like suck in and it.

667
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: I could do it. So she as a teenage boy,

668
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: it was a lot easier, but as an adult, No, no,

669
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: it hurts my throat. I do it. I try to

670
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: do it every now and then.

671
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: And if you like even if you grab your your

672
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: trachea and constrict it a little bit, it'll help the sound.

673
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 1: But I ended up like coughing a little bit, and

674
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm trying to squeal like a hog

675
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: or something.

676
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: Right. It just sounds terrible.

677
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: But so tell me, are you are you a do

678
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: you rely on calling a lot or are you more

679
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: of a spot in stock do you kind of do

680
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: a hybrid? What's your go to? That's a little different thing.

681
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean where I the local herds that

682
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: I haunt. I'm a caller. It's thick, it's brushy, heavy,

683
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 2: deep timber, and if they're not talking, it's really hard

684
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: to kill an elk. So I rely on calling when

685
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm hunting local, local elk. I've haunted elk in a

686
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 2: bunch of places, and I find that the more open

687
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: ground there is, the less I call, and the more

688
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: I rely on just dogging, just kind of shadowing a

689
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: herd or shadowing bugles, working in close. Some of the

690
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: bigger bulls I've killed my bow have been in more

691
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,919
Speaker 2: open country, like you know, east side of mont Towna

692
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: or central part of Montira southwest, a lot less timbers,

693
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: timber just more patchy. They spend more time in the open,

694
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: so you can get visuals on them. You can see

695
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: where they're going to bed, you can you can hear

696
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: them in their beds, or you can hear them when

697
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 2: they get up from their beds. So I tend to

698
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: do a lot of like just strategic dogging, placement of

699
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: myself between them and where they want to go, or

700
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: just you know, creeping in next to the herd and

701
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: hoping the activity of the chase will will bring them in.

702
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: So I kind of rely on a little bit of

703
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 2: both when I'm hunting that more open country and places

704
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: where there's more elk. You can just you can get

705
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: by with not calling as much. It's not I'll locate

706
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: a lot of times and then I'll sneak in. But

707
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: I love to call elk. I mean, it's one of

708
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: my favorite things to do. And I love calling brush

709
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: brush country bulls like some of that brushy stuff you

710
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: know in western Montana or you know central North or

711
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: North Idaho. All that stuff is, it's thick, it's steep,

712
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: and man, you'll have a bowl fifty yards away and

713
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: you can't see them, you can hear them. You know,

714
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: they're coming and you don't know what it is. And

715
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: I think that's a big part of the draw for

716
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: me is I don't know what it is till it

717
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: shows up, and then it's always a surprise. Sometimes, you know,

718
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: you'll call a bull in or you'll think you're on

719
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 2: like a small bull because they're being timid and they're squealing,

720
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: and next thing you know, it's just this dinosaur just

721
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: turns this turns his attitude on and spins around. It

722
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: is like I've had enough and we'll just growl on

723
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: your face and push through the brush and it's like,

724
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: oh my god, this was the bull I was chasing.

725
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: I thought I was just going to try to kill

726
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 2: this rag horn up here. But yeah, I like to call.

727
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: That's my preferred method. But I try to be well

728
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: rounded as much as I can. Yeah. I like to

729
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: be as good a hunter as I possibly can. And

730
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 2: if I silo myself into like one particular technique, then

731
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't so I'm all that well rounded.

732
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I like that. I think that's super important

733
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: and for for folks to realize is, yeah, calling will

734
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: take you so far in a certain type of train.

735
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: But like you you mentioned that that open country. Yeah,

736
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: you definitely it's great to locate and stuff, but you're

737
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: probably gonna have to do a lot more shadowing, a

738
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: lot more strategic movement without calling. Maybe you call again

739
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: when when the time is right, right, but maybe not.

740
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: It's just being smart hunt smarter, right. I think some

741
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: people kind of don't understand that. They think, oh, well,

742
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: I can just I can see those up from you know,

743
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: five hundred yards away across this open country. I'm just

744
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: gonnall call him and call him in. But more of

745
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: times than than not, then they're probably gonna go the

746
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: other way because they can see there's no elk over there, right,

747
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: but he's it's almost like a chess game or or

748
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: some kind of a poker game. I'm like, you got

749
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: to really hold your cards tight until the time's right.

750
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that, you know, in that open country,

751
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 2: there's there's just more elk, and there's just those bulls

752
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: don't really they don't care that much about the other bulls.

753
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: They're just more concerned on what that herd's doing. So

754
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: they're not they're just they don't I mean, they're callable

755
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 2: for sure, but they're just not as concerned with another

756
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: bull coming into the herd to check stuff out, They're like, oh,

757
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: that guy's way over there. I'm not worried about him

758
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: at all. Right, the cows are right here in front

759
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: of me. I just got to sneak in there and

760
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: peel one off, right. So yeah, in the in other

761
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: places where it's thicker and there's less elk densities, there's

762
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: just not as many elks, so the bulls are more

763
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 2: susceptible to, Like, all right, i've got these two cows.

764
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: I'm keeping that bull out of here. I'm going to

765
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: be more susceptible. He's going to be more susceptible to

766
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: going over to a call.

767
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: I feel, yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree with that.

768
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: Do you think how much just elk hunting changed since

769
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: you started, especially archery l hunting? How much has it changed?

770
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: And you think technology, how is it affecting? Is there

771
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: any kind of technology you're concerned about?

772
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, yeah, I mean there's always that slow

773
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 2: creep of technology and changing. It's hard to tell how

774
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: it's changing and how quick it's going to come, or

775
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 2: even to foresee that it's going to change it until

776
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: it actually happens. But I mean it just seems like

777
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: there's like there's been a slow creep of electronics on

778
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: on bows. You know, there's been some state I know

779
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: there's states at outlaw like electronic sites and stuff like that.

780
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: There was one I think Garment made one where it

781
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: had a rangefinder'er built in and it would a pin

782
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: would light up at the range and it just it

783
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: made to me, it's like that's just it's kind of

784
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: taken away the I don't know, some of the art

785
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: of bow hunting. Yeah, and bow hunting to me, is

786
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: supposed to be hard. It's not supposed to be efficient. Yeah,

787
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 2: I kind of like a little bit of struggle to

788
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: go along with it. Don't get me wrong. I like

789
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: to kill elk and I don't. I want to make

790
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: sure I do it efficiently, but that just means I

791
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: need to shoot effectively, and I limit myself. I don't

792
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: need to shoot at eighty yards. I'm not effective at

793
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: eighty yards. I can do it, but I'm not going

794
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: to kill anything efficiently. So I don't know. I think

795
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: just there's a little bit of I don't know, there's

796
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: stuff in the zeitgeist out there right now that people

797
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 2: think they need to shoot long distance, and I think

798
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: it would be nice if people would just kind of

799
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 2: dial that back a little bit. It's great to practice

800
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: at long distance, it's great to be proficient. It makes

801
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: shooting something at thirty yards a slam dunk. And I

802
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: think just so just that slow creep of technology is

803
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: changing things, not saying it's good or bad, but as

804
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: soon as bohunters start to become like more effective at

805
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: killing animals, they're going to the fishing game. Agencies are

806
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: gonna try to dial that back some way. They might

807
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: they might put equipment restrictions in place, or they might

808
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: just start issuing fewer tags. So I don't know. I

809
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: just think that the creep of technology is it's slow

810
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: and steady, and it's hard to hard to tell what

811
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: it's doing until it actually kind of happens and it

812
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: kind of comes into comes into fruition and more focus.

813
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: You know, people start to realize what's going on around them.

814
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: So that's that's changed a lot. I mean, technology in

815
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: archery equipment has changed tremendously since I was a kid. Yeah,

816
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: and I started, But so is rifle. Yeah, technology, and

817
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: is it good is it bad? I don't know, it's

818
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: hard to say, it seems like I don't know, it

819
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: seems like the success right for archery hunters hasn't changed

820
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: that much. No, I think the elk have kind of

821
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: adapted to people's techniques, right, I don't know. I know

822
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: they're not as callable as they were right back in

823
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: the day, so they're just more tuned in too, like

824
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: people's hunting styles and the dangers that are out there. Yeah, yeah,

825
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I agree with all that.

826
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: I agree, like absolutely, you should practice eighty yards and

827
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: one hundred yards and become super confident and super proficient

828
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: with your gut or your bow that way. You know,

829
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: those thirty yard shots are just they're just a slam dunk.

830
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: Forty yard shots of a slam dunk. But a lot

831
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: of a lot of us practice in our backyards on

832
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 1: a very controlled environment. You know, the distance, it's e

833
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: you're comfortable, there's no pressures.

834
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: You go out.

835
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I'm really feeling like shooting, you know,

836
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: and I feel like shooting long distance today. And man,

837
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, I was shooting my bowl and I can

838
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: hit good at one hundred yards or one hundred and

839
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: twenty yards or you know, the sites and the technology

840
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: we have today for these bows. You know, we can

841
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: get the slider sites, we can you know, move them

842
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: and do all this these crazy accurate shots. But I

843
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: will say this, I've been to a lot of these

844
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: elk training camps where we have shooters there, you know,

845
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: whether they're season vets or people who are new, and

846
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: when they sign up, they have to put down what's

847
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: your maximum effective range? And some guys will be like

848
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: fifty yards, some guys will be like seventy yards, some

849
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 1: guys thirty yards. So day one we say, okay, hey guys.

850
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: You we guys wrote down a number. We're here at

851
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: the archery range. Got your bows?

852
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: Cool?

853
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: You call them out. Hey, Josh, you said you could

854
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: you could shoot effectively to eighty yards. We're standing eighty

855
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: yards right now. There's the elk target. I want you

856
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: to draw your bow back and shoot, make a killing

857
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: shot on this elk. And you got thirty other people

858
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: standing there looking at you, judging you, wondering about you.

859
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: The pressure's on.

860
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: Dirk pulls out his cell phone and starts videoing you

861
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: for about six inches away to make you uncomfortable. Okay,

862
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: you said eighty Let's do it at fifty. You know,

863
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: we're just gonna start at fifty. We're gonna help you out.

864
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: We start at fifty. I don't know how many times

865
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: like it the fifty yard mark, but most of the class said,

866
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: you know, fifty yards they're dynamite. Sometimes they don't even

867
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: hit the target, and if they do, it's like in

868
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: the ass or in the neck, or you know, they

869
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: barely hit it. You know, very few are lethal killing shot.

870
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: And the whole point that we're trying to get at

871
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: is what we're trying to like get that like dose

872
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: of reality. You know, you're here in comfortable clothes on

873
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: a flat ground. It is uncomfortable to shoot in front

874
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: of people. It's intimidating. There is a we have We've

875
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: raised your heart rate, You've we've made you uncomfortable. You

876
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: couldn't make the shot. You think you can execute that

877
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: you said you can execute. So let's let's get real

878
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: with ourselves. Let's let's take a closer look at ourselves.

879
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: And I think a great way to do this is

880
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: go to like events like tack. Yes, you know you're one.

881
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: You're like such true life type shots. And there's some

882
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: shots that stretch out like hey, there mister, mister accuracy guy,

883
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: we got eighty yards straight downhill thirty degrees or whatever

884
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: through the loge pole, through lodge powle.

885
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: Go ahead and take that shot.

886
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's astounding of how tough those shots are.

887
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: And there's some people that can make they're they're still great,

888
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: but still that's a foam target. The factor in this

889
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: is day seven of a hunt. You're dehydra You just

890
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: you just sprinted three hundred feet straight up this hill

891
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: to a bugling bowl. You're out of breath, your heart

892
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: rates pounding, you have a pack on your back, and

893
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: here comes the biggest bull you've ever seen.

894
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: In your life.

895
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: And if your wife told you, if you come home

896
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: without it, without any elk meat, you're a dead man.

897
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: You can't tell me there's any more pressure than that, right,

898
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: how about that eighty yard shot?

899
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? I feel like you have to like police ourselves.

900
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: And look internally and be like, we can only take

901
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: the most ethical shots that we know that we're gonna

902
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: put that that elk down quickly and humanly.

903
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: And even on.

904
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: Good shots, they throw thirty yard shots, twenty yard shots,

905
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: they can go awrye Yes, easy chip shots can go

906
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: awry through no fault of the shooter. But things happen.

907
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: Elk move, They're a living animal. They can't whurl, they

908
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: can move, they can they can do something different than

909
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: you anticipated and make an easy good shot into a

910
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,959
Speaker 1: bad one. And now we have a tough tracking job.

911
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: And if you're eighty yards, all that stuff just amplifies.

912
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: So I think everybody just needs to really be honest

913
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: and and and really look eternally, like, you know, I

914
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: want to have a good experience at this I want

915
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 1: to have I want to have a best hunt ever,

916
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: and I don't want to taint it with taking bad shots.

917
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I hear you. I try to be conservative

918
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: with my shots. I mean that being said, I've made

919
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: bad shots, but you know what the ones I have

920
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: made have been like kind of like get that stretched

921
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: out distance. Yeah where? And when I say bad shots,

922
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm talking like a shoulder right, you know, seems pretty superficial.

923
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: You know, at the end of it, I'll always follow

924
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: up regardless, you never know, but you know it, usually

925
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: those shoulder shots end up in being a bull walking away,

926
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: probably sore, maybe a little tender in that front shoulder,

927
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: but never it's never fatal. I've never seen them be fatal,

928
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 2: and it's like you just have to like step back

929
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: and reevaluate, like, Okay, what went wrong? Why did I like,

930
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: why did I feel I could take that shot? And

931
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 2: what am I going to do different next time? Yeah?

932
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: So back to your mentorship and people who got you

933
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: into hunting, and did you have someone who instilled ethics

934
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: and etiquette into your hunting persona. Did you have somebody

935
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: that like your was it your dad, your uncle or grandpa,

936
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: or maybe you're one of your mentor friends down the

937
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: street that said, hey, this kind of behavior is unacceptable.

938
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: We only do this kind of hunting etiquette to other hunters,

939
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: we only take these ethical shots.

940
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: Or this is what ethics are all about.

941
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: Did you have somebody mentoring you with that or did

942
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: you kind of have that internal thing where just maybe

943
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: the way you were raised as a kid that they

944
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: kind of set that bar for you.

945
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it was a little both.

946
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean the way I was raised by my parents

947
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: is well, I mean they're very ethical people, but you know,

948
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: as a kid, you kind of always are a little

949
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: bit rebellious and you kind of want to, you know,

950
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: kind of push away from your your parents' thoughts and

951
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: ideas and whatnot. But peer pressure is a big one.

952
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: I mean that drives ethics. For sure, you kind of

953
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 2: behave like your peers, especially when you're a teenager. Sure,

954
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: but like some of the ethics I learned from, like

955
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: my best friend down the street and his older brother

956
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: and his dad. One of the biggest things was like

957
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: hunting spots are sacred. Yes, well, we're going to take

958
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 2: you here and we're going to enjoy hunting with you,

959
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: and you, you know, have as much fun as you want,

960
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: but don't bring anybody else here, and don't tell anybody

961
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: else that you're hunting here. And if you do want

962
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: to come back, ask yeah. I mean it's public land.

963
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: Everybody has the right to go hunt there, but not

964
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: everybody knows where to go hunt. So just don't don't

965
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: spread the word. If you want to go back there,

966
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 2: hunt ask us, and you know we'll say yay or nay.

967
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 2: But I've kind of lived, I've taken that to like

968
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: the next step. It's like I never try to invite

969
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: myself on a hunt with anybody, and I try not to, like, uh,

970
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: go back if I get taken to a spot, even

971
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 2: to this day. Man. That's like I was brought there

972
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: as a guest, and I'm going to treat it as that.

973
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go back and trump do that

974
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: area without that person like saying yeay or nay. Yeah, man,

975
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 2: I've done. I've been back to places that I've been

976
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: shown by other people, but I'll call them up say hey, man,

977
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: do you mind if I go in there back? And right,

978
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: you know, we're I know we're hunting in there together

979
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: in archery season, but I was thinking of going in

980
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: there for rifle. Are you okay with that? Yeah? Oh yeah,

981
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 2: go for it. So I yeah, it's sort of that.

982
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 2: That's the big ethic in my area is like if

983
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: you're shown a spot that's not your spot, you're a guest,

984
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: You're more than welcome to Gohna, but please just you know,

985
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: ask And even like some of my best friends were

986
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 2: that way still yeah, so and yeah, I kind of

987
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: learned that from the folks down the street and my

988
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: you know, my best friend Dale, and you know, there's

989
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: been some stuff that like you see stuff in the

990
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: community of people doing sketchy stuff, and you hear people

991
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: doing sketchy stuff and I don't know, I you just

992
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 2: tend to develop, like ethics. As you age too, you

993
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: kind of realize that, you know the repercussions of your

994
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 2: actions and how they affect everything, and they really affect your, uh,

995
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: your reputation. Like as I got older and it became

996
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 2: more successful as a hunter, you know, I started thinking,

997
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: it's like, man, I can't I can't make a mistake,

998
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 2: Like like I if if I if I got busted

999
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: for like shooting something after hours or you name it,

1000
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 2: shooting something out of the truck of my you know,

1001
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: my truck, which is illegal, it would like people would

1002
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: be like that, dude, everything that you've done up to

1003
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: that point is now suspect, Like your whole record is

1004
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: now suspect. Like oh, yeah, I knew that guy was

1005
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: shady he shoots out of his truck, or yeah, he

1006
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: trespasses and everything he kills is on private kind of

1007
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, So you just yeah, I just I just

1008
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: kind of came to that conclusion, like your reputation is everything,

1009
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: and once it's soiled, it's hard to get it back.

1010
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: So don't soil it and just try to be as

1011
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: ethical as possible. Make mistakes happen, honest mistakes happen. Absolutely.

1012
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: There's some people that do stuff nefariously, like and they're

1013
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: doing it on purpose and trying to break the laws,

1014
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: trying to trying to weasel their way into success, and

1015
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: it's just I don't know, I just don't want to

1016
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 2: like have this animal tainted by any of that. Like

1017
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: one of these animals I kill, I just don't want

1018
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: them tainted by cutting corners right to speak. So, I

1019
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 2: don't know, I've just developed that as I've aged, for sure.

1020
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,919
Speaker 2: It's just been one of those changes in my mindset, like, yeah,

1021
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: your reputation is super important at least mine is. I

1022
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: feel like it.

1023
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have a lot of Yeah, I've I've

1024
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: so I have a lot of self respect for myself

1025
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: to where I don't want to do stuff to make

1026
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 1: I want to be able to hold my head high

1027
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: and people to.

1028
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: Be like, hey, there's there's Dirk. Hey he's a good guy.

1029
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like, oh, hey there's.

1030
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: That asshole it yeah poached, right, he did all this

1031
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 1: crazy stuff, he did all you know, all these things

1032
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: it's like people would look down on I don't want

1033
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: to be known for that.

1034
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I I know, like you know, I've

1035
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: been fairly successful hunting, you know, elk and deer and

1036
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: black bears and whatnot. And I've heard rumors in the

1037
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 2: community about myself, which I find quite funny. But I've heard, oh,

1038
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: he shot that white tail over bait, or he totally

1039
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: shot that in the spot. I mean, it's like, dude,

1040
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: it's when you do stuff legit, the rumors still calm, right,

1041
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: And if you got caught doing something illegal, it's only

1042
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: gonna like be magnified. Everybody's told you so yeah, I

1043
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: told you, I knew it. I knew it. Yeah, yep.

1044
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: So the guys that I hunt with, I you know,

1045
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: they're all super ethical, they're all very restrained on how

1046
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: they operate in the in the mountains. And yeah, we

1047
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 2: just try to do the same. We try to act

1048
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: the same and and feed off of one another.

1049
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: I've I feel like right now, every year there gets

1050
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: to be there's growing more and more division in the

1051
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: hunting community, and I think a lot of it is

1052
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: around ethics and etiquette, and I feel like a lot

1053
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: some of it, maybe all a lot of it is.

1054
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: To blame to a lot of these the new.

1055
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: Adult onset hunters who haven't had that mentor to guide,

1056
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: to guide them, you know, to say, hey, you know,

1057
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 1: we don't do this. That's not cool, to treat another

1058
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: hunter this way, or to take these kind of shots,

1059
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: that's that's not acceptable. You know. They don't have grandpa

1060
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: or the guy down the street that's telling them, hey,

1061
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: this is the right way to do it. You don't

1062
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: do it that way. Maybe they didn't have the an

1063
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: upbreaming where mom and dad you know, taught them right

1064
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: from wrong right, but now they found interest in hunting

1065
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: as an adult. And lately I dwell and I think

1066
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: of I think on this a lot, like the turmoil

1067
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: and the division and hunting, and I feel like people

1068
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: need to really think about instead of like tearing each

1069
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: other down and beating each other other up, especially on

1070
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: public on social media, instead of doing that like what

1071
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: what can we do?

1072
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: Well?

1073
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: What I can do? What you can do? And I

1074
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: think it's like, hey, be that mentor that you always

1075
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: had or that you maybe wish you had but you

1076
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of had to learn the hard way. Be that

1077
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: mentor to some new hunters. Maybe there maybe it's a

1078
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: forty year old person, fifty year old person is just

1079
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: getting in the hunt, but they don't have that point

1080
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: of reference and understand those ethics and etiquette, help them

1081
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: out right teach them, tell them, yeah, i'll take you hunting,

1082
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: but it's it's a sacred spot. If I catch you

1083
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: in my spot, it I'll kill you. You bring somebody

1084
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: up here, it's going to be bad. Whatever. However you

1085
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: how are you going to explain it to them? But

1086
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: let them know that's unacceptable and that's that's that's what's

1087
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: accepted among the whole hunting hunting crowd. And I think

1088
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: if we can help help each other mentoring out if

1089
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: you're in a position to mentor do it. And sometimes

1090
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: we're really guarded, I think as hunters because we don't

1091
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: want to share any of our secrets. But maybe sharing

1092
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: the right secrets and sharing some some things with people

1093
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: in a positive light on how to act and how

1094
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: to behave in the woods would go a long ways.

1095
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: And I think I want I really want to kind

1096
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: of like really almost start a movement. I don't know

1097
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: if I want to. I don't want to start the movement,

1098
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: but I really want to open that conversation and people

1099
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: that listen to this, I really want them to like

1100
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: think about that and kind of think you know, I

1101
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: could probably do better helping people out, being better, I think.

1102
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: I think I think we all just need to start

1103
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: treating each other better. Yeah, because anti hunters looking at us,

1104
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: they're like, look at these jokers, we can take them

1105
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: down so easy. They're two so busy bickering with themselves

1106
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: about stupid shit that they're an easy target.

1107
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, we really are. I mean competitive, I mean hunting

1108
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: is competitive if by nature, especially when you start throwing

1109
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 2: multiple people out into the same area going, you know,

1110
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: chasing a limited resource. And I think if people people

1111
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: just need to be more polite to one another. I

1112
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: mean that's what it all comes down to, just being

1113
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: polite and just more just, I guess, more aware of

1114
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: like what other people are thinking, feeling, doing, and uh,

1115
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, just kinda just take a step back

1116
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: and and think about how you would want to be

1117
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: treated in that situation. Yeah, I mean, because it is

1118
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 2: getting competitive out there, and people do some kind of

1119
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 2: crazy stuff. Some people lose their mind over I mean elk, especially,

1120
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: people really lose their mind over ELK. They'll do some dumb,

1121
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: dumb stuff to get an ELK. I mean, they're hard

1122
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 2: to kill, they're hard to they're hard to come by,

1123
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 2: and some guys only get an opportunity once every so

1124
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 2: many years, and they will just they will push their

1125
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: grand kid out of the way to shoot a bull,

1126
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: you know, get white kid up shooting. Yeah. So yeah,

1127
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 2: it's almost like a fever takes over. They lose their mind.

1128
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: I've seen it. I've seen guys do it. But I

1129
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: think if you just people become a little more just

1130
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: self aware and aware of other people, I think it

1131
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: would go a long way. I mean it's a good

1132
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 2: starting point. Maybe. Yeah, But man, I see some stuff online,

1133
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: some bickering going on and just some shots low blows

1134
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: back and forth, name calling. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. People

1135
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: get so heated. Yeah. Yeah, well we're all passionate about it. Yeah.

1136
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes, like let's say you had to have something to

1137
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: say online and push pause for a minute, think about it,

1138
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: put your phone down for a little bit, think about it,

1139
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: and be like, how can I tell this other person

1140
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: they're an idiot without telling them they're an idiot and

1141
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: have give them something.

1142
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: To take away of value.

1143
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: If I call you an idiot and you're to your

1144
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: face or just on social all you're gonna do is

1145
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk away.

1146
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 2: You're gonna walk away mad.

1147
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: Escalate it, yeah, or escalate it, or if I try

1148
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: to have that conversation like hey, you know, I understand

1149
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: maybe where you're coming from, but did you think of

1150
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: this or that? And just try to maybe maybe put

1151
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: your opinion out there in in a polite way to

1152
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: where it's non confrontational, but for them to to think

1153
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: about that. I think I feel like you are really

1154
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: good at like those kind of conversations. Me and you

1155
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: hear at the show have had some conversations I kind

1156
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: of get off the track a little bit and like

1157
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: I start like getting pretty opinion. I start from an opinion,

1158
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, oh yeah, and what did you

1159
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: you know there's another thing to think about this and

1160
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: that we're talking about wolves and habits and help dying

1161
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and and it's so easy to

1162
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: get really ingrained into this this my set, and it's

1163
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: so good and refreshing to have someone point out another

1164
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: point of view in a thought process in a constructive

1165
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: way that someone starts thinking about it like you know what,

1166
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: he ain't wrong, And pretty soon I think it caused

1167
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: you to think deeper. You know, if you're the opinionated

1168
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: guy that's kind of trying to, you know, get a

1169
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: little bit puffed up. So if if you want to

1170
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: correct someone and help them out, maybe don't call him

1171
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: an idiot or a jackass.

1172
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: It'd be better to like give them, give them another way.

1173
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: To think about something in a polite way, maybe like

1174
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: your grandpa might have done, or maybe your favorite person

1175
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: would give you a different way of think to think

1176
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: about something. That's how real change happens. That's how real

1177
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: that's how relationships build. Yeah, yeah, I mean putting people

1178
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: on the fan.

1179
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: I mean when you start just attacking somebody, immediately put

1180
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 2: them on the fence, and you're not going to change

1181
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: their mind, right, I get that way. I mean, it's

1182
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 2: just it's how things get delivered to me, makes me

1183
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: if I if I if it's livered a certain way,

1184
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 2: I can stop and think about it. And I always

1185
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 2: I try to be very open minded with different thoughts

1186
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 2: and ideas. Yeah, I'll try to think about it as

1187
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 2: much as possible. But yeah, attacking somebody, it never works. No,

1188
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 2: it's like trying to It's like trying to convince your

1189
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: grandpa that he's wrong. Yeah, you know, when people get

1190
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: so like conditioned in their mindset. It's just like, well,

1191
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 2: hear him out, think about what they said, and maybe

1192
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: just throw out something that they might not have ever

1193
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 2: thought about. Try to throw it out in a way

1194
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: that they'll they have to chew on it for a

1195
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 2: little bit.

1196
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and I'm for all all transparency. I'm not

1197
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: going to try to set up on a pulpit here

1198
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: and say I've never been that other guy at the

1199
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: hot head. I'm all hot headed, you know, and I've

1200
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: probably said some things online before that It's like, you know,

1201
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: that was that was kind of kind of an asshole.

1202
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: I probablyhouldn't have said that, But I'm trying to have

1203
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: more self awareness. And if I can't, if I can't

1204
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: change me, how can I change anyone else? So I

1205
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: think all of us can take that look in how

1206
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: do we change things for the better in ourself and

1207
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: our fellow sportsmen?

1208
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I agree, I think we need to

1209
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: be more unified, because you know, we're not the antis

1210
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 2: are going to be antis. They're going to attack, and

1211
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 2: they've got their their techniques on how they're going to

1212
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 2: go about change. But the way they're starting to change

1213
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 2: things is they're bringing stuff in front of the voters,

1214
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 2: and you have to realize the majority of the voters

1215
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 2: are not anti hunters, they're not pro hunters, they're neutral,

1216
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: and we need to we need to figure out how

1217
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: to convince them to vote against the anti's agendas that

1218
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: they're pushing through. Super important. I mean, the majority of

1219
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: people kind of have a favorable look at hunting until

1220
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: it looks unfavorable or until it's in a spotlight that

1221
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: looks nasty, gross, tantacky. There's some stuff here at the

1222
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 2: show that I walk around and look at, like, dude,

1223
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 2: if some neutral media that we're just kind of like,

1224
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: I want to see what this is all about and

1225
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 2: put it online or put it on the local news network.

1226
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: It's like, do they need to see Iguana's getting shot

1227
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 2: in the head, Monkey's getting shot in the head with

1228
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: an air gun on a big screen on the back

1229
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: of the of the convention center. That is not a

1230
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 2: good look. Now I has something that you know, I

1231
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 2: don't know the context of what that stuff was filmed in,

1232
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 2: but it just has a bad look, and it's like,

1233
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: let's just maybe keep that stuff to ourselves. I'm not

1234
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: saying censoring, but we just need to think about our

1235
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 2: image and how it's present to the non hunters, because

1236
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: those are the people who are going to decide the

1237
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: antis are going to vote, you know, for their ballot

1238
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 2: initiatives every time. Right, It's like, how are we going

1239
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: to convince the rest of the general public who are

1240
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 2: non hunters? How how are we going to convince them

1241
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 2: to vote for us? Right and preserve what we have

1242
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: because this, I mean is super important we continue this

1243
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 2: North American model wildlife management. It's like what drives this

1244
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: whole industry right here that we're sitting at. But it

1245
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 2: also it's more than that. I don't the industry is whatever.

1246
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: It's for me. It's like how I maintain my sanity

1247
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: in life. Yes, I need to go to the mountains

1248
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: and hunt every year. I need to spend this time

1249
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: by myself thinking through problems of life and working through

1250
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 2: stuff that's occurred and how I've treated people in the past.

1251
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 2: That all gets worked out in my mind and I

1252
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: typically come out with some type of resolution in my

1253
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 2: brain like Okay, now I think I might be a

1254
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 2: better person and I would handle that differently. And when

1255
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 2: you're hiking around doing stuff, you're not just thinking about hunting. No,

1256
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: you're thinking about all sorts of stuff, and it's just

1257
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: a way to just yeah, it kind of like grounds

1258
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: yourself back to like who you really are, what's really important. Yeah, yeah,

1259
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 2: So anyway, I need that. And if hunting seasons go

1260
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: away or they get reduced, trimmed down to the bare bones,

1261
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 2: maybe you know we can only do it. Say, if

1262
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: you could only elcunt once every five years, because the

1263
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: permits are cut back so much that you know you

1264
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 2: have to draw for them that. I don't know what

1265
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 2: I'd do. I'd be hurt. I think I would just

1266
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: start doing drugs. I might be down here on the

1267
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 2: sidewalk living, you know, in rags. Yeah, yeah, right, yeah,

1268
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's there's something to it that keeps

1269
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: my sanity.

1270
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: And those shocking videos and stuff. For us, people who

1271
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: have hunted their whole lives, we've seen animals die, if

1272
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:16,200
Speaker 1: we've seen them dye our own hand, we're not as

1273
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: sensitive to those things, right, But for non hunting people

1274
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: who have never experienced this lifestyle, it's very shocking. They've

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01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: never seen a wild animal, any kind of animal die

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01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: in real life, and to see one die and and

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01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: maybe a manner that's not super respectful.

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01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 2: That is that's hard to watch. It's hard to.

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Speaker 1: See, and I would I have to think it gives

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01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: people immediately like, like you said, you use the word gross,

1281
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: they would say, that's gross, that's that, that's shocking, right,

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01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: that that made me feel something inside And I don't

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01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: ever want to see that again. And I don't agree

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: with that. Unfortunately, that all gets slumped in with all

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01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: and all hunting in general. So I think, yeah, you

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: just got to be mindful of it.

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Speaker 2: Is it legal? Yes? Right? Should everybody see it? It's not.

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Speaker 1: It's maybe not for everybody to see, right, Maybe it's

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01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: maybe you want to show people that you got to

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01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 1: go into a little area that's just not blasted all

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01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: over the whole show, right, or you know.

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01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,639
Speaker 2: Keep it amongst your friends, the ones that be fun

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01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:26,639
Speaker 2: or cool to see.

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01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, the stuff, just keep it tasteful, Yeah, keep

1295
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: it tasteful, keep it keep it classy, you know, like

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01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: the like yeah, like the pin up girls of the fifties. Right,

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01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 1: that's completely different than what's going on with that type

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 1: of material these days.

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Speaker 2: Yes, back in the fifties it was a little risk gay.

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01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: It's pretty classy today there's some real nasty stuff. Yeah,

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: so yeah, thinking of mind, And also, how how would

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01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: you how would you go into you know, like local

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01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: church and are using a bunch of foul language and

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01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,639
Speaker 1: be very insulting and be very revolting to a lot

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01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 1: of the people in there.

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01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:08,839
Speaker 2: You wouldn't.

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01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 1: So if you have that like restraint in a setting,

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01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: then why would you talk like that in another public

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01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: setting or show things in a public setting that could

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01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: be of ex offensive to people who didn't know about hunting.

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01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: So just I just think you should keep it classy. Yep,

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01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 1: I agree. So if you could tell your twelve year

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 1: old Josh anything about elk hunting, if you could go

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01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: back and say, Josh, here's I'm from the future, here's

1315
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,799
Speaker 1: some information, what would you tell yourself?

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Speaker 2: Oh man, Well, one, I would tell myself build points

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01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 2: wherever you can ear. But as far as just like

1318
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 2: general l hunting, I would probably tell myself just be

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01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: prepared to work hard and success is gonna come if

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01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: you do that. And I would I would give myself

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01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: the information of like, all right, stretching yourself out and

1322
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: doing hard hunts is mental, so just work on figuring

1323
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 2: out how to like get more mentally comfortable hunting elk,

1324
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 2: like way in the back country, and you're gonna have

1325
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 2: more bulls. You're going to kill more bulls if you

1326
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 2: can do that. So, I mean, those are the things

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01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: that when I first started, like getting away from the

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01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 2: road and the truck was like, we're way out here.

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Speaker 2: This is if we get an elk, what are we

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01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 2: going to do? I didn't realize. I mean, I hadn't

1331
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 2: killed her many elk when I was you know, I

1332
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 2: killed my first elk when I was like thirteen with

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01:11:55,160 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: a rifle and it was a cow, and we mean

1334
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 2: we got elk out hole. My uncle managed a ranch

1335
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 2: down in southwest Montana, so I got to go hunt

1336
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 2: that ranch in rifle season, and I did hunt it

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01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 2: a couple times in both season after I got like

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01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 2: a little older. But I mean elk we killed down there,

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01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 2: we'd go shoot them out in the sage brush, you know,

1340
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 2: as they're coming up out of the meadows in the morning,

1341
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 2: heading up to the timber, and we'd just go pick

1342
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 2: them up in the truck. So everything came out hole

1343
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 2: right to hang them up with the tractor, skin them. Sure,

1344
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,560
Speaker 2: they had to walk in cooler we'd hang them in

1345
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 2: there while we were down there. It was awesome. It's awesome, unbelievable.

1346
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 2: But when I started hunting on my own off in

1347
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 2: other places, I just didn't realize like how much work

1348
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 2: it was going to be. And I was scared. I

1349
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: knew how much work it would be, but I was

1350
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: just scared of putting that much work into it and

1351
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 2: how punishing it could be. And so I think I

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01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 2: definitely limited myself on where I would go and how

1353
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 2: far I would go. And it wasn't a good elk

1354
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 2: country I would hunt, So I would probably tell myself, Man,

1355
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 2: it's not that hard work at it, and it's gonna

1356
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 2: you're gonna be successful, more successful. Yeah, So that's what

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01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 2: i'd want for for the young Josh be more successful

1358
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 2: when he's younger. Yeah. I love that. I love that. Man.

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01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: This has been a great conversation. Yeah, but a lot

1360
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: of people find you on it on Instagram. You still

1361
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 1: you're still writing.

1362
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 2: So I do gear reviews for Rockslide, So you can

1363
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 2: find me on Rockslide, which is you know, kind of

1364
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 2: gear backcountry centric kind of discussion forums. It's a forum

1365
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:48,440
Speaker 2: with like gear reviews and articles like on the homepage,

1366
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 2: but it's mostly just like a forum. Yeah, so you

1367
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 2: can find me there user names just Josh Boyd. There's

1368
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 2: articles on the main page you can find that I've written,

1369
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 2: you know, shelters, backpacks. I do a lot of gear

1370
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 2: reviews on like backcountry gear, yeah, which I love. You know,

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01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm got gear geek. So you can find me there,

1372
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 2: and you can find me on Instagram. I've reluctantly been

1373
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 2: on social media. I remember years ago, you and I

1374
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 2: were talking at Attack and You're like, are you on Instagram? Like,

1375
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 2: no way, Derek, It's like you should get on it.

1376
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. And that might have been

1377
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: like the next year Brinker and Ryan Holme for Mystery

1378
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: Ranch both kind of talked to me about it's like

1379
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: you should get on it, Like okay, so I'm on it. Yeah.

1380
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,759
Speaker 2: Back then, it was a whole different, different world.

1381
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: Instagram was like cool pictures and yeah, the little little

1382
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: stories and stuff peopled right and have photography was king

1383
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: and that's what I loved about that.

1384
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 2: That's what kind of got me. That's what kind of

1385
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: convinced me. It's like, I like looking at cool images

1386
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 2: from people that I you know, respect and have you know,

1387
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: they have a lot of talent, and now it's like

1388
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 2: ads and videos and just stupid stuff so shallow. Now

1389
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: yeah I hate it. Yeah, but you too.

1390
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 1: It's one of those those uh those things necessary evils,

1391
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 1: yes they call it.

1392
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 2: So yeah. Yeah, what's your what's your your handle on

1393
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 2: Instagram Josh underscore boyd underscored MT. Maybe something like that.

1394
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: I could look but a bit. If you looked at

1395
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 2: if you just wrote in Josh Boyd MT as in Montana,

1396
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 2: you'd probably find me.

1397
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 1: There'll probably be a few guys on skateboards in the city,

1398
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: though with that same name there might be no just

1399
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: could Oh man, thanks so much for taking the time

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01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 1: to join me here. It's been been a great, great

1401
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: pleasure catching up and then recording this podcast.

1402
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been great. I've loved our conversations this whole week.

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01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, awesome, this has been a good one. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we'll travel safe back home. Thanks. Thanks and