Speaker 1: You don't go to any chain red none.
Speaker 2: There's in a single chain restaurant where you're like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: the whatever the appsent TGI Fridays, I go like once
Speaker 2: a month, like there's nothing.
Speaker 3: So Alex likes those kinds of plays, like she likes
Speaker 3: the big fancy you know, I'm trying to remember what
Speaker 3: which ones she likes.
Speaker 1: I feel like we always go TGI Fridays. Was fancy.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just remember.
Speaker 3: I just always I walk into these places and Alex
Speaker 3: will be so happy. And the menu is like four
Speaker 3: hundred pages long. Everything on it is like four thousand,
Speaker 3: five hundred calories per like surveme. And I'm like, I,
Speaker 3: you know, and I always feel awful afterwards. You eat
Speaker 3: these giant meals and it like tastes fun, but then
Speaker 3: you're like, okay, it's all slathered in sauces and I
Speaker 3: don't know, man, And then I'm like, I don't even yeah,
Speaker 3: so I'm not a fan.
Speaker 2: Like what you're thinking of the one with the thick
Speaker 2: menu is what's the one that has the menu that's
Speaker 2: nine hundred pages long that every cheese cake factory, cheesecake factory,
Speaker 2: thank you, yes, And it's like done in chapters and
Speaker 2: you're looking at certain menu items, going, does anyone ever
Speaker 2: order this ever?
Speaker 1: On page thirty eight of the menu? Like, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Remember going one time. We went with Alex and some
Speaker 3: friends and we ended up doing like an all you
Speaker 3: can eat pasta option in one of these places, and
Speaker 3: it was so disgusting, like garnt of food that was
Speaker 3: certain and like everybody was feeling, you know, like you
Speaker 3: feel obligated to keep eating, take advantage of what you
Speaker 3: paid for.
Speaker 1: And then it was just like oh oh and the garlic.
Speaker 3: Bread and no dessert. I'm just like I can't.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 6: I like buffets because I like to have a little
Speaker 6: tiny bit of a lot of things. That's why I
Speaker 6: loved soup plantations, like them for different Like how I
Speaker 6: like I have a lot of stuff things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you just.
Speaker 3: Have to go on a cruise, man, you just like
Speaker 3: you do love it. It's like your dream come tract.
Speaker 3: Can cannot believe you haven't done it. Like if you
Speaker 3: go on like a really nice cruise, you will be
Speaker 3: in heaven and you're not.
Speaker 2: So much food that the boat would be like this
Speaker 2: at the end.
Speaker 3: If the food's already on the boat, so you eating
Speaker 3: change the way they.
Speaker 1: Have to airlift in new food, the entire way.
Speaker 3: No, but don't you guys, don't you have those experiences?
Speaker 3: And then like kind of to me, a unique experience
Speaker 3: is like part of why you go out to eat,
Speaker 3: Like the idea of going out to eat and eating
Speaker 3: the same thing I've had before, and then also the
Speaker 3: experience looking exactly like every other restaurant.
Speaker 2: I've been like, that's not why to go, but that
Speaker 2: you love so much that you're like, I have to
Speaker 2: go to this place and get this thing.
Speaker 3: I've had that in life, but it's usually because it's
Speaker 3: an independent restaurant, Like if it's a chain, it doesn't
Speaker 3: feel that special. I might like the food, but it's
Speaker 3: like I'm not going to choose to go out and
Speaker 3: get it again.
Speaker 1: This is somebody who's never had a Ruby's Burger. This
Speaker 1: is being spoken by someone who's never had a real
Speaker 1: I mean, that's true.
Speaker 4: This is this also feels like a personal attack.
Speaker 1: It does a little bit. I'm sure all we all.
Speaker 4: We do eat it changed, he'll attacked.
Speaker 6: But it's also you know, I mean, this is this
Speaker 6: is not surprising coming from someone whose ideal vacation is
Speaker 6: in a camper van experiencing something new every single day.
Speaker 6: Whereas for me, one of the things I like about
Speaker 6: finding things I like is that knowing what to expect
Speaker 6: and the comfort, the that type of like that brings
Speaker 6: me when I'm feeling whether it's like I'm hungry and
Speaker 6: I know exactly what's going to make me feel satiated.
Speaker 6: It's that Ruby's burger or you know, yes, I actually anxiety.
Speaker 2: Thing probably a little bit too, because that's like this
Speaker 2: that why people watch the same show like I watched
Speaker 2: mash over and over. I mean, if you read about it,
Speaker 2: that's it's a straight up anxiety thing.
Speaker 4: So you know what to expect, when to expect it,
Speaker 4: where are, what the jokes are.
Speaker 2: There's a comfort to it, and I think there's I
Speaker 2: think that also goes with some of the chain restaurants,
Speaker 2: but there's also you mix. I mean, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, Islands has the most amazing French fries
Speaker 2: you ever.
Speaker 4: Now have so time for Red Robin fries, I don't.
Speaker 1: I've never had Red Robin in my life.
Speaker 6: Will for I know, I know, never knowing me for
Speaker 6: thirty years and I've never taken you to a Red Robin.
Speaker 3: Nope, No, they ever been to a Red Robin either.
Speaker 3: Maybe I have and I just don't.
Speaker 1: Daniel just got it.
Speaker 4: I got it, I got it right away.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 4: I mean they have their own happy birthday song.
Speaker 6: Happy birthday, Have a happy birthday, Happy birthday, have a
Speaker 6: happy day.
Speaker 4: Hey do we have a birthday here? Just we have
Speaker 4: a birthday here? Birthday? Wear by ear whoa happy birthday?
Speaker 4: Have happy birthday.
Speaker 3: If you travel somewhere, if you go somewhere new in
Speaker 3: a America, some city, some town you've never been used
Speaker 3: to go to the Starbucks or the McDonald's or the island.
Speaker 6: I agree with you there. When I travel, I do
Speaker 6: not think of where are the chain restaurants? When I travel,
Speaker 6: all think, well, I'm only going to be here for
Speaker 6: a couple of days. Let's look up some local places
Speaker 6: there are. And what's so depressing is that those are
Speaker 6: harder and harder to find. Like if you drive across
Speaker 6: the country, which I do every year, it's like if
Speaker 6: you are on the freeway, all your options are the
Speaker 6: same places you go, and it's awful you can't find
Speaker 6: a unique experience.
Speaker 3: And so it's like, what's the point of traveling. It's
Speaker 3: like America's just replicated itself over and over and over
Speaker 3: again from city to city, and like that's not good,
Speaker 3: Like that's really bad for culture. It's really bad for
Speaker 3: individual experience.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, I think I still find those places
Speaker 1: you just there there you have to.
Speaker 3: Hunt for they struggle, man, Like they don't stay open,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Like they don't. You can't.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, to do a really obvious example,
Speaker 3: you're not going to find a local bookstore anymore, right
Speaker 3: because everybody's just you just amazon it. You don't so
Speaker 3: there's no need for And that's a bummer because like
Speaker 3: if you're looking to that great bookstore in Sebastopol.
Speaker 1: We've been a couple in in San.
Speaker 2: Francisco, there's there's still you can still find bookstore our bank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean you can still find it.
Speaker 3: But yes, they are they are dying, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: compared to like even when we're when we were teenagers,
Speaker 3: like bookstores every neighborhood of every city had a bookstore
Speaker 3: and that was like a or video store, you know,
Speaker 3: cultural centers.
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, I can't these are stores taking
Speaker 1: it out of Target.
Speaker 2: My favorite part about Target is I would go, I
Speaker 2: would buy all my clothes for the next five years,
Speaker 2: and then there'd be the stack of DVDs and it's
Speaker 2: like what came out? What kind of because Blockbuster is gone,
Speaker 2: which was the greatest thing in the world, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: it sucks with.
Speaker 6: Jensen finds a way. Jensen finds a way. I know
Speaker 6: physical media will never die in our house.
Speaker 1: Thank God, thank god that we have.
Speaker 4: Anytime you guys need to rent a movie, you can come.
Speaker 2: To a little Jensen card that you have to swipe
Speaker 2: and then it's like, as you're checking.
Speaker 4: Out, it's like, oh, there, you guys have your own
Speaker 4: VIP card.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at Daniel's house, I could.
Speaker 6: I could have it in the house as long as
Speaker 6: nobody's eating it next to me, just stay in its container.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to take Rider to Red Robin because
Speaker 1: it'll be great.
Speaker 5: We'll go.
Speaker 4: My birthday is coming up, I mean in like three months,
Speaker 4: but we'll go.
Speaker 1: We'll go for my birthday counts.
Speaker 3: We'll exchange Christmas gifts for your birthday.
Speaker 4: That's a good idea. We do need to figure out
Speaker 4: when are we doing our holiday dinner.
Speaker 2: We should figure out soon because both your ponies are
Speaker 2: seriously close today.
Speaker 3: Both named Susie.
Speaker 1: Both named Susie, and apparently they want to eat every day.
Speaker 6: That's probably a bird, like you said, Mine's a bird
Speaker 6: and Riders is another pony.
Speaker 4: Be great, Welcome to Pod Meets the World.
Speaker 1: I'm Daniel Fishal, I'm right strong, and I'm Wilfordell.
Speaker 6: We are going to be doing these be kind rewind
Speaker 6: shows and groups of three just in little pockets as
Speaker 6: a pleasant surprise, and we are very excited about people
Speaker 6: we have coming back next. So today we finish off
Speaker 6: our first trio with an episode and a guest that
Speaker 6: is guaranteed to take home the championship title. Our recent
Speaker 6: podcast crossover with liv Morgan and Seat four c's big
Speaker 6: Netflix debut should come as no surprise to.
Speaker 4: Boy Meets World fans.
Speaker 6: The show and the wonderful world of wrestling go back
Speaker 6: like babies and pacifiers, from Vader to Jake the Snake,
Speaker 6: Roberts to Brother Love to eventually Missus Foley's baby boy Mankind.
Speaker 6: We had enough pro wrestling guest stars to book a
Speaker 6: pretty impressive tag team match and the reason for this
Speaker 6: unlikely marriage it's never been a secret to us, and
Speaker 6: after we interviewed writer Mark Blutman back in season two
Speaker 6: of the podcast We Let You In on That Secret Too,
Speaker 6: And so now we have invited.
Speaker 4: Back Crusher Comic to take another.
Speaker 6: Look at an episode of his choosing and like hearing
Speaker 6: the ominous gong from the beginning of Undertaker's theme.
Speaker 4: Music, you know exactly what's gonna happen next.
Speaker 6: It's one of the most fever dream scripts from the series,
Speaker 6: with a group of cameos that could only be explained
Speaker 6: as they called a bunch of people and filmed whoever
Speaker 6: showed up. Hey, there's Robert Gulay. Is that Yasmine Bleith?
Speaker 6: Does she know she's here? And I guess I was
Speaker 6: there too, Adam Scott, Bully, Jocks Vader, body slamming Will,
Speaker 6: Kelly Packard and Blake Senate in the singlet it has everything.
Speaker 6: So it's time to welcome back the co writer of
Speaker 6: this classic comedic romp. Watching season two episode twenty one,
Speaker 6: Thrilla in Phila, it's Mark Blutman.
Speaker 1: It's so weird to go back. Hey, hello, welcome.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, it is always so cool. I'm here too, writer, Yeah, yeah, wow,
Speaker 5: I'm like, who's the young intern exactly.
Speaker 4: That's what we said. It's like having kid writers strong
Speaker 4: with us.
Speaker 5: We all we all go through these phases and stages
Speaker 5: where we make change. Man, my thing was kind of organic.
Speaker 5: I had like so few on my I was like
Speaker 5: literally once in a restaurant and the next table like
Speaker 5: a little kid with their parents is looking at me
Speaker 5: doing this. I'm like, what, Oh, we're teaching them to
Speaker 5: count with your hairs. I think it's time.
Speaker 4: I think I can just get rid of it.
Speaker 5: It's great. Everybody like, you guys are the best. This
Speaker 5: is amazing. Congratulations what is this now? Like I remember
Speaker 5: I was on one of the first, but you guys
Speaker 5: must be at like one p fifty now somewhere.
Speaker 4: How many episodes we've done?
Speaker 5: No, think about it. Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the episodes of this and we have a
Speaker 2: Boy meets World. I think, yeah, you're probably at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're at it.
Speaker 5: I think we have. Yeah, let's syndicate this podcast.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Mark, before we jump into the episode, I'm
Speaker 6: not sure if you have heard any of our get
Speaker 6: Writer to wrestle Mania campaign, but we wanted to see
Speaker 6: if you could give a little like small sales pitch
Speaker 6: to writer about making a podcast trip to Vegas to
Speaker 6: see the biggest night of them all in person.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll do it as a wrestler.
Speaker 4: Okay, a promo, give us a promo.
Speaker 7: Yes, let me tell you something, mister Strong. It's about
Speaker 7: time you got with the people. Everybody loves wrestling. You
Speaker 7: started as a theater kid. There's no better feat then wrestling,
Speaker 7: good versus evil, shield versus face, usually the face winning in.
Speaker 5: The end because good will always triumph. It is the
Speaker 5: finest story telling in the land.
Speaker 7: It's about time got hip and got with your friends
Speaker 7: Will and Danielle and made an appearance. And I guarantee
Speaker 7: you no shape to you, mister Fredell, but they'll put
Speaker 7: your name underneath your.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Competition between me and Will at.
Speaker 5: The end there.
Speaker 6: He saw that, saying it's the finest storytelling gotten and
Speaker 6: then decided if I go for competition between you guys
Speaker 6: guys right.
Speaker 5: Just so Rider could flex for the rest of his
Speaker 5: life going. I don't know, well they had my name
Speaker 5: was it though? And I also, by the way I
Speaker 5: heard the episode with Yeah, it was awesome and a
Speaker 5: great episode. But for you Will, how was it like?
Speaker 1: How amazing? Is truly amazing. I mean it was.
Speaker 2: It was such high energy the because it's it's so
Speaker 2: many different aspects that were incredible, from the storytelling to
Speaker 2: the music, to just the fanfare, then to the athleticism
Speaker 2: that you're watching go on. It was.
Speaker 4: It was really fun. Yeah, he had a good fun
Speaker 4: and I'm so looking and enjoyed it, which was this.
Speaker 5: Is great, amazing And by the way, I saw her
Speaker 5: on on Cameron they put her name under the awesome
Speaker 5: mar Any of you see the Royal Rumble?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I watched parts of the Royal Rumble. It
Speaker 4: was it was pretty long, but we watched parts of it.
Speaker 5: Good Speed took a bump, man, I mean that was
Speaker 5: a that was.
Speaker 4: An intense moment. I can't believe they hit him so hard,
Speaker 4: so hard.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know, wow, but I love it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like he didn't sell it.
Speaker 1: He really was, He really did.
Speaker 6: No, I know, there was no way of selling that.
Speaker 6: I'm yeah, it was pretty crazy. There was a streamer
Speaker 6: that jumped into the ring and took a hit. It
Speaker 6: was pretty pretty crazy to watch. So Mark, you were
Speaker 6: gracious enough to come back and have a more detailed
Speaker 6: look at an episode of your choosing, and to no
Speaker 6: one's surprised, you picked one of our two most famous
Speaker 6: wrestling weeks, Thrilla and Phila. So we had you watch
Speaker 6: it again now thirty years later. What were your feelings?
Speaker 5: Honestly, I was somewhat horrified at first to like turn
Speaker 5: it on and click it and all that stuff, because listen,
Speaker 5: I get it, you know, and you guys do such
Speaker 5: a graceful and in depth job looking at something from
Speaker 5: thirty plus years abow, so there is context. I was horrified,
Speaker 5: and I was pleasantly surprised. Great, great, and you know
Speaker 5: just what made it so wonderful? Listen, it was ninety
Speaker 5: three ninety four, and there's some things that I wish,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe we didn't do, and we can get
Speaker 5: to that, but everybody's performance was so much fun. Everybody
Speaker 5: bought into it. You know, we weren't doing a serious
Speaker 5: should to Panga go to Yale episode? Yea, it was
Speaker 5: what it was. And I grew up on happy days.
Speaker 5: And there were episodes that sometimes you know, we'll eventually
Speaker 5: jump the shark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about we want away? If not even jump
Speaker 1: the shark.
Speaker 2: This was more the Malatchie Crunch episode with pinky and
Speaker 2: leather task. Yeah, so that's where this one was in
Speaker 2: the in the television site geist, I think.
Speaker 5: But it was always you know, and one of the
Speaker 5: reasons why, you know, Howard and I had so much
Speaker 5: success on the show is because we were able to
Speaker 5: find those crazy story but always there was always a
Speaker 5: little bit of heart. Yeah, you know, and at the
Speaker 5: end of the day. Listen, I've said this before, maybe
Speaker 5: said it on this pod. My biggest influence was John Hughes,
Speaker 5: and John Hughes was all about coming of age. Right,
Speaker 5: coming of age isn't just relationships between two people. It's
Speaker 5: an individual's you know, journey to from childhood into adulthood.
Speaker 5: But really it's all the mistakes along the way. Yeah. Sure,
Speaker 5: that was Corey and Sean.
Speaker 6: You know, this was your fifth episode of five in
Speaker 6: your first season, so right out of the gate, writing
Speaker 6: at a fevers pace, how long did it take you
Speaker 6: to pitch your first wrestling storyline in the room?
Speaker 5: You know, I think we had the story of Corey
Speaker 5: wanting to become a jock, and then from there where
Speaker 5: it evolved. It was a pretty interesting story and it's
Speaker 5: been told many times by certain people, and and and
Speaker 5: The accurate story is simply that we're sitting in the
Speaker 5: room and we're saying, well, if the story is going
Speaker 5: to take this direction and end up where Corey thinks
Speaker 5: he's just going to do a collegiate wrestling story and
Speaker 5: ends up in a professional wrestling match with all the
Speaker 5: farts that goes with it, let's bring in a w
Speaker 5: w F at the time. Yeah, wrestler. See that's by
Speaker 5: the way, writer, when you go and meet people backstage,
Speaker 5: don't say wrestler, say wrestler. That'll buy you street cred.
Speaker 5: The it's old school wrestler. Wrestler.
Speaker 1: But that's what needs is WWE street cred.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what he's been looking for.
Speaker 1: The wrestling name is the poet. It does not evoke
Speaker 1: a lot of danger in the ring.
Speaker 5: And by the way, you should say that back in
Speaker 5: the day, Macho Man's real life brother was Lanny Poffo
Speaker 5: that for about four years did a gimmick as the
Speaker 5: poet laureate and he came into the ring, was introduced
Speaker 5: and cited poetry.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's so awesome.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so we're sitting in the room and I
Speaker 5: said to Michael, we have an organic way to make
Speaker 5: this work. Frankie's father, it makes sense that he has
Speaker 5: a father that's a wrestler. Big dude, let's find a wrestler.
Speaker 5: And there was an exec at Disney who has unfortunately
Speaker 5: since passed away, but super nice guy he was on
Speaker 5: the business side. His name was Mitch Ackerman.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I remember Mitch right, long, black.
Speaker 5: Hair, super super hip, and we were introduced to each
Speaker 5: other and we would talk wrestling. In fact, there was
Speaker 5: a famous match during a wrestle Mania that they called
Speaker 5: the back Studio Lot Brawl, and it was gold Dust
Speaker 5: against Roddy Piper and it was a huge, huge match
Speaker 5: shown during Well Mitch had them pre taped the match
Speaker 5: in the studio lot at Disney. So I went to
Speaker 5: Mitch one day we got together for lunch. I said,
Speaker 5: we want a wrestler on the show, and Mitch was
Speaker 5: my introduction to the guys at WWF. I'm time. As
Speaker 5: Danielle knows now, I have several friends who are wrestlers
Speaker 5: with both WWE and ae W, and back then I
Speaker 5: was just a fan. I've been a fan since I'm
Speaker 5: six seven years old. Mitch said, I'll set up a call,
Speaker 5: and he set up a call with myself and Bruce Pritchard,
Speaker 5: who you guys had on Brother Love, Yes, who's one
Speaker 5: of the brightest minds in the history of wrestling. He's
Speaker 5: booked more great storylines and been on cameras great characters
Speaker 5: and than almost anybody. You know. He's almost up there
Speaker 5: with Hayman, who's a wrestling genius. But anyway, we started
Speaker 5: throwing names out and once they said Vader, I went
Speaker 5: on like, how does that not make sense to be Cranky,
Speaker 5: zip Code, Stachinos, Pops, Yes, so much.
Speaker 2: Can you remember any of the other names they threw
Speaker 2: out to you at the as possible wrestlers?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they were throwing out all the top
Speaker 5: stars then that you know, like Sean Michaels was big then,
Speaker 5: and Jake Roberts, who we ended up using in the
Speaker 5: episode anyway, Ted Dibiassi, the Million Dollar Man, all that,
Speaker 5: but the only one that made sense. It was like
Speaker 5: one of those things where the casting gods are like, yeah,
Speaker 5: come on, it's asking god, this is it, this is it.
Speaker 5: It just was perfect.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 6: This episode also falls into the very small window that
Speaker 6: is the Griff Hawkins era. What do you remember about
Speaker 6: Adam Scott, who we think really shined and what is
Speaker 6: kind of a tough acting predicament.
Speaker 5: We all know the stuff. We all love Danny and
Speaker 5: we all know the stuff you know that went on.
Speaker 5: And I love Danny so much and his credity is
Speaker 5: so open. Yeah, seeing his life and his journey. When
Speaker 5: Adam Scott, you know, who was a relative unknown then
Speaker 5: became available, I mean just at that table, we're like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, this guy is magic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know it was.
Speaker 5: He was what was great about the characters. He was
Speaker 5: the anti Harley correct, Yeah, the exact he was. You know,
Speaker 5: Harley was intimidation in very fifties, you know, happy Days,
Speaker 5: Leather and Griff was all cerebral.
Speaker 6: And was that an Adam Scott choice or was that
Speaker 6: in the breakdown when you auditioned people.
Speaker 4: Where did that distinction happen?
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure, again, you know, going back a fair
Speaker 5: amount of time, but I'm pretty sure we set out
Speaker 5: to create an opposite character, and then Adam brought so
Speaker 5: much of his own to it. And again one of
Speaker 5: those things where you know, first maybe not first table read,
Speaker 5: but first run through, Like you know, we're back there
Speaker 5: with our notes and scripts going, oh this kid's a star. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, my only you know, and looking at the episode,
Speaker 5: my only slightly cringe moment was the massage thing, having
Speaker 5: the massage table. That was my only like, oh, I
Speaker 5: wish you know, back then it was fine, you know whatever,
Speaker 5: I guess, but now there's so many, you know, sexually
Speaker 5: exploitive connotations with massage. I would have gone right to
Speaker 5: the lobsters the boys coming back from the airport. That's
Speaker 5: the only thing I maybe would change. But but Adam,
Speaker 5: I mean, he just was magical and his storyline in
Speaker 5: that episode, the fact that he had I'll use a
Speaker 5: word that would have aptly fit back then, rolodex, that
Speaker 5: his rolodex would have had both Bob Goulay and Yasmin
Speaker 5: belief in it. Who never did the episode.
Speaker 4: By the way, I know she wasn't there.
Speaker 5: This is what people don't know in watching back the
Speaker 5: episode when when she entered the gym, I was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 5: even back in ninety four, AI was happy. I know.
Speaker 6: We I've never seen that interview where she says or
Speaker 6: I've never seen anything officially where she says she wasn't
Speaker 6: on the show, but we've heard it, yeah.
Speaker 5: Heard it, and I've heard it too, I've never actually
Speaker 5: seen it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so maybe we need proof.
Speaker 6: If you have a proof of her denying being on
Speaker 6: Boy Meets World, please send it to us.
Speaker 1: I'd love that.
Speaker 4: Actually, it is a good story.
Speaker 5: It's one step away from one of you, like we'll going.
Speaker 5: I never did that show. I didn't. It was just
Speaker 5: it was bizarre and the beauty what I think again
Speaker 5: of that episode is part of our success and part
Speaker 5: of why you guys are here, you know, thirty plus
Speaker 5: years later and there's an audience loyal both new and old,
Speaker 5: is because of the wide range of stories in episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, well it's so interesting to go back
Speaker 3: to this one. You know now that we're like deep
Speaker 3: in season well now we're not deep, like just started
Speaker 3: season six, but like, uh, how much how many other
Speaker 3: characters there are, like just the sheer amount of guest
Speaker 3: stars and like storylines that have nothing to do with
Speaker 3: Eric or Sean or Corey, even like Corey has like
Speaker 3: his storyline, but his storyline involves so many other people.
Speaker 3: It's like it's just not it's not something that we
Speaker 3: did after season four really like basically season two and
Speaker 3: three were we were still experimenting and handing off stuff.
Speaker 3: And part of it has to do, I think with
Speaker 3: the fact that we are in school so much like
Speaker 3: you keep. You know, it's like the fact that, like
Speaker 3: Ben and like Corey and Sean, even though we're like
Speaker 3: the drivers of a sort, we actually have a small part.
Speaker 3: There's still so many other actors taking over scenes and characters,
Speaker 3: and it's like, right that part partly must have been
Speaker 3: because they were over eighteen and you had.
Speaker 5: More honestly, writer, yes, sometimes we would go, let's give
Speaker 5: you know, David Combs or Wesley or whoever is time
Speaker 5: like yeah, but more than that, and again there was
Speaker 5: really a lot of Howard and I. We just thought,
Speaker 5: like the Bed and Breakfast, like bringing these crazy people
Speaker 5: and just it just we were a cout show. We
Speaker 5: were not like Girl Meets World, which is a Disney
Speaker 5: geared towards kids show. We were a family count show, right,
Speaker 5: and so we wanted also to you know, make sure
Speaker 5: the parents were enjoying the show. And that's why sometimes
Speaker 5: we bring in these characters. But you know, in an
Speaker 5: episode like that, there were still organic moments to who
Speaker 5: everybody was. Will you as Eric were a loyal brother, sure,
Speaker 5: and even when you just walked in because somebody sold
Speaker 5: the ticket to see an idiot get beat.
Speaker 1: Up, it's still discovered.
Speaker 5: It was your brother you hop in the ring to
Speaker 5: take on this behemoth. Yeah, you in that particular episode Rider,
Speaker 5: strictly it was, you know, some comic relief. My favorite moment,
Speaker 5: of course, is starting the match, ringing the bell, going
Speaker 5: what does this?
Speaker 1: What does this do?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: The thing I'm noticing more than ever now that we're,
Speaker 2: like Wriders said, we just started season six and now
Speaker 2: we're doing these throwback go backs.
Speaker 1: What's the rhyme.
Speaker 4: We're using behind rewind?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Behind rewind episodes?
Speaker 5: Shout out Blockbuster, they're out of business.
Speaker 2: The first four seasons of Boy Mets World was four
Speaker 2: different sitcoms. Yeah, I mean season one and season two
Speaker 2: are two different sitcoms with the same cast. And so
Speaker 2: the more I'm watching them now and then going back,
Speaker 2: it's jarring to see how different.
Speaker 1: Like you watch season two of Friends and season six
Speaker 1: of Friends, they're kind of the same.
Speaker 3: It's there.
Speaker 1: The characters are similar.
Speaker 2: They've grown a bit, maybe summer dating where others aren't,
Speaker 2: but they're kind of the same. Show you go back
Speaker 2: and you watch season one A Boy Mets World in
Speaker 2: season five A Boy Mets World, it's two different shows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now, yes, And then you had the middle Howard
Speaker 5: and I came on season two. We left in the
Speaker 5: middle of season five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right, So.
Speaker 5: And there's a sensibility difference between Michael and us. Again,
Speaker 5: Michael's a genius. He's brilliant at what he does. And
Speaker 5: I learned a great deal. I'm I give Michael a
Speaker 5: lot of credit and interviews. I'm as good as I
Speaker 5: am working with young cast members on set with notes
Speaker 5: because I watched him. Sure, I didn't yell, you know,
Speaker 5: and I didn't become comfortable like I my style is
Speaker 5: still my style. But I listened to him. He was
Speaker 5: very good at getting wonderful performance in a very you know,
Speaker 5: Michael came from theater and you know, studied theater he
Speaker 5: loves and that's how he approached it. And so I
Speaker 5: did learn a lot from from him. But yeah, it
Speaker 5: was a different show in the middle. The one I
Speaker 5: get the most, you know, constantly, is what happened to
Speaker 5: Derek Eric.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you get that a lot like Eric is different
Speaker 1: than he was.
Speaker 5: Partly Wilfredell's fault.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's true, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 5: Because you were a freaking comedically yeah, you were a
Speaker 5: young Jim Carrey. I was the first to say it.
Speaker 5: I said it one day. I don't remember the episode,
Speaker 5: but after a run through, I said, this guy's a
Speaker 5: young Jim Carrey. So we kept going. But the only
Speaker 5: thing we made sure to justify your character is nobody
Speaker 5: on the show had a bigger heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Eric, that was always the same.
Speaker 5: And we'd throw you in with Tommy, and we'd throw
Speaker 5: you in with Bill in a scene, and and you
Speaker 5: know you that's how we balanced it while we pushed
Speaker 5: the envelope and you know yeah, I mean you know
Speaker 5: you were investing in memorabilia played by Jeff Manel baggy
Speaker 5: Bagwell of a guy who got hit in the head
Speaker 5: by a pitch bagwell.
Speaker 3: That see, like, for me going back watching this episode again,
Speaker 3: it's it like, I know, first season and second season
Speaker 3: are very different, but Corey's actually kind of the same
Speaker 3: character as he was in the first season here in
Speaker 3: a way that now Corey is not I don't know,
Speaker 3: like this Cory who's sitting there going, you know, the
Speaker 3: jocks and how do I get, you know, he's sort
Speaker 3: of like this this Wise, like cracking wise, average guy
Speaker 3: who just wants to be noticed and like stand out
Speaker 3: for some reason. Get girls like that. By season the
Speaker 3: end of season five, that Corey is so far gone
Speaker 3: and like I miss him.
Speaker 5: Watching again, I was like, let's be clear, which Cory
Speaker 5: do you miss?
Speaker 3: I miss the Wise cracking, like yeah, the Dennis the Menace,
Speaker 3: sort of like I don't know what life is all about,
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna. I know what I like and I
Speaker 3: don't know where I fit in.
Speaker 5: Like that was universal. John Hughes Storytellers totally, totally, totally. Again,
Speaker 5: I'm not saying it because we left. He was an
Speaker 5: angry dude in the Yes, that's the things a lot
Speaker 5: of those episodes, and I there are episodes I've never seen,
Speaker 5: and I get on the writing side, and David Kendall
Speaker 5: says it all the time, there was no writer more
Speaker 5: Boy Meets World than Bluntman. I lived and read that show.
Speaker 5: I love that show. There are episodes I have not watched.
Speaker 5: And again I'm not being it's very easy all these
Speaker 5: years later to go I would have I'm not saying
Speaker 5: I would have done better I'm saying I maybe would
Speaker 5: have done different because the Corey I would see, like
Speaker 5: you said, writer, he was just an angry guy, and
Speaker 5: that was the guy that Tapanga wanted to, you know,
Speaker 5: spend her life with, was a little I hope it's
Speaker 5: okay that I'm saying this.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the red flags. We've talked about the
Speaker 1: red flags.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think that it's it's it's there's
Speaker 3: so much comedy that came out of Corey being sort
Speaker 3: of neurotic and like anxious, and that ends up being
Speaker 3: the source of a lot of his humor. And then
Speaker 3: a lot of the drama comes from his his understanding
Speaker 3: of the universe and his understanding of reality, and he
Speaker 3: and to Panga and the struggles of that which becomes
Speaker 3: kind of angry, whereas like back here, he has no
Speaker 3: clue what's going on. And I feel like Corey from
Speaker 3: week to week could find himself listening to Sean, listening
Speaker 3: to Eric, listening to mister Feenie, listening to mister Turner,
Speaker 3: and each one is going to spin him in a
Speaker 3: completely different direction. And that is like way, It's just
Speaker 3: more open, and it's kind of more fun. And I
Speaker 3: miss that. Yeah, I miss that. Corey.
Speaker 5: You know, you were the ultimate. You were the audience
Speaker 5: surrogate in so many ways, the Sewan character. I mean,
Speaker 5: you were the audience's window into this young innocent trying
Speaker 5: his way. And then of course you had plenty of
Speaker 5: moments where you were finding your way. But you again
Speaker 5: street smart, you know. However you grew up. You were
Speaker 5: a lot further advanced than Corey until you weren't right right,
Speaker 5: But you know again, one of the cool things about
Speaker 5: the Thriller in Phila, of course, named after the Thriller
Speaker 5: in Manila in the seventies Muhammad Ali Joe Frazier. It
Speaker 5: still talked about to this day so frequently, and when
Speaker 5: I am backstage at a wrestling show, a young thirty
Speaker 5: year old wrestler will say, oh, my favorite episode had
Speaker 5: Vader on and all that, and when they you know,
Speaker 5: he had passed away, but they inducted him into the
Speaker 5: WWE Hall of Fame, and one of the clips was
Speaker 5: from our show really that they showed in front of
Speaker 5: thousands of people and on TV they you know, Invader's
Speaker 5: induction of all his highlights there he has beaten Rick
Speaker 5: Flair and fighting Hul Cogan and all these matches, and
Speaker 5: there's the clip of him, you know, with all of
Speaker 5: you guys. And you know, one of the things, I
Speaker 5: don't know if you're going to ask me this, Danielle,
Speaker 5: I know you you talk question about my single favorite
Speaker 5: moment in that show, in that episode is okay?
Speaker 4: I mean, go ahead, please, what's your favorite.
Speaker 3: And most single favorite if you pick one.
Speaker 4: You just had to pick one favorite moment from Thriller
Speaker 4: in Fellow, what would it be?
Speaker 5: Mark, I don't have to tell you. So it's so
Speaker 5: simple and it's one of the greatest. Most if you
Speaker 5: just steal a screenshot and send it out on the internet,
Speaker 5: it goes crazy viral. People love it.
Speaker 8: It's the fact that Bill Daniels William Daniels is acting
Speaker 8: with Vader, yeah yeah, and jumping over the jump over.
Speaker 5: The ropes and then going face to face. The guy
Speaker 5: was in the Graduate. The guy was in seventeen seventy six.
Speaker 5: The guy is one of you know, doctor Mark Craig
Speaker 5: on sand The guy is one of the most accomplished
Speaker 5: actors in the book world. And he's acting with Vader
Speaker 5: to this behemoth wrestler and he went toe to toe
Speaker 5: with him. And just the screenshot of Bill Daniels face
Speaker 5: to face.
Speaker 1: With for me is like the best.
Speaker 5: I just look back on it so fondly, you know,
Speaker 5: it just it makes me really really happy.
Speaker 4: We also noticed there's a jock in the episode named Savage.
Speaker 4: Was this a reference to Ben's last name?
Speaker 5: Probably? Yeah, probably. And I'll tell you another person I'm
Speaker 5: glad you're talking about the jocks and stuff that made
Speaker 5: it work was Kelly Packard.
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, she's great.
Speaker 5: Most people would have, probably especially in the nineties, gone
Speaker 5: with you know, trophy esque, not necessarily you know, maybe
Speaker 5: stereotypical blonde or whatever. She was super smart and everything
Speaker 5: she did was on her terms. She knew who she was,
Speaker 5: and she knew what she wanted, and she played the
Speaker 5: heck out of it. So shout out Kelly Packard because
Speaker 5: she really really helped make that work and not fall
Speaker 5: in these tropes and traps of the nineties. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if we talked about this the
Speaker 1: last time you were here.
Speaker 2: So Adam comes on, he's great, he kind of steals
Speaker 2: the episode. He's wonderful. Why then, was all of a
Speaker 2: sudden the bullies were kind of like, we're not gonna
Speaker 2: We're not gonna go with the bullies anymore. It was
Speaker 2: just like they were there and then they weren't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably budget and stuff. It's okay, turn you know,
Speaker 5: it's funny like sometimes I look at a company like
Speaker 5: Disney and I'm like, I know what you're paying your CEOs.
Speaker 5: Can we not have the thugs? Right? You know, you
Speaker 5: got CEOs making twenty five thirty forty five million a year?
Speaker 5: Can we have the thugs what they cost?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: And it never made sense. And so you know, looking back,
Speaker 5: simple regret's for me personally where Anthony for sure, even Alex,
Speaker 5: but we never could service him he deserved, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was the problem and it was not intentional. It
Speaker 5: was not you know, we just for whatever reason. Again,
Speaker 5: as you guys all said, there were all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: our world just kept expanding.
Speaker 3: So you don't remember with Tony like any conversations about
Speaker 3: oh now, we're definitely not bringing mister Turner back.
Speaker 5: Like I mean, I just remember Michael coming down from
Speaker 5: a meeting with the you know, was the suits going,
Speaker 5: you know, no, like Tony's Tony's done just you know,
Speaker 5: like he would to me, he was so important because
Speaker 5: of that positive messaging of always walk with the motorcycle
Speaker 5: helmet in case you fall. That's a very important message
Speaker 5: for the kids. Always carry your out. Tony was great.
Speaker 3: Always read your men too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because West Connecticut.
Speaker 5: Because you don't know when it's going to be a
Speaker 5: pop quiz on the comic book.
Speaker 1: Recent over here, What's going on with you?
Speaker 5: One of the reasons we had such success was because
Speaker 5: you guys did create an off screen family and Tony
Speaker 5: was a big part of that family, and seeing him
Speaker 5: on set every day sucked. Yeah, And when I see him, like,
Speaker 5: you know, a few months ago at Rider's place, we
Speaker 5: did that little get together. We'll get together a party,
Speaker 5: no no, no.
Speaker 2: No kidding.
Speaker 5: So many wrestlers there.
Speaker 1: I was invited to.
Speaker 5: I know you were, Although why was security told? I
Speaker 5: don't out look at this guy.
Speaker 1: Every time I go to Riders, I steal things.
Speaker 5: It's fun seeing Tony there. I'm like, like, you know,
Speaker 5: and it wasn't me, but you just feel a little
Speaker 5: like remore going man. Of course, did you dirty? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's in some way or the network did you dirty?
Speaker 5: Or the studio did. Like nobody could sit there and go, well,
Speaker 5: he's not that good. Nobody can look at him and say, well,
Speaker 5: he was a bad apple on the set and the
Speaker 5: opposite he popped little out of golf Like, there's not
Speaker 5: a bad word you could say about Tony and the
Speaker 5: audience loved him. So what were what was that? And
Speaker 5: as far as you know Ethan and.
Speaker 1: And Blake and Danny, I you know it's all just budget.
Speaker 5: Then it's budget. I mean you know they they would
Speaker 5: have been great at the wedding. Yeah, yeah, And that's
Speaker 5: what you do. You know, when you have these milestone
Speaker 5: moments like we did on Girl, we had everybody there.
Speaker 5: The audience loves that. Man, that's their gift. It's our
Speaker 5: gift too, to be reunited. But when the audience sits
Speaker 5: there and goes, oh, there's those guys from season three
Speaker 5: and four who I love they're back. We owe our
Speaker 5: audience those little gifts. Yeah, that was all part of
Speaker 5: you know, television and Will as a historian, you know that,
Speaker 5: I know, you know these moments of bringing characters back.
Speaker 3: Do you remember when when Richie came back from from
Speaker 3: unhappy days where you don't think he's going to be there,
Speaker 3: and they go, I'm sorry, Richie couldn't come and he
Speaker 3: runs in and goes.
Speaker 1: Cause I was waiting for the cab and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's back.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: These were huge moments in television.
Speaker 5: Applause break, yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And now you.
Speaker 5: Know, that kind of stuff is gone, and I do
Speaker 5: think everything is cyclical, and I do think those kind
Speaker 5: of things will come back. And they're all you know
Speaker 5: some multi cams, Danielle, you know as you've directed, you know,
Speaker 5: Tim Allen and all the other ones that they still work.
Speaker 1: Don't they Yeah, yeah, they do.
Speaker 4: The audience loves them.
Speaker 6: I mean we have we're doing those in front of
Speaker 6: a live studio audience and they're right along for every moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Because and the disconnect I guess in the exacts
Speaker 5: minds are that because of the Internet and social media,
Speaker 5: there's no real boundary between fans and stars. They see
Speaker 5: them every day online type thing. But you know, back
Speaker 5: then when multiicam was so huge, when an audience got
Speaker 5: to come in and sit there and see these people
Speaker 5: up close and personal, that was magic for them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, but now it's a little different because everybody
Speaker 5: feels like they know you guys because of the Internet
Speaker 5: and social.
Speaker 6: I was going to ask you why do you think
Speaker 6: wrestlers make such good actors? From The Rock to Bautista
Speaker 6: to John Cena, list goes on, what do you think
Speaker 6: the correlation.
Speaker 5: There is training? Every time they cut a promo, it's
Speaker 5: an acting class. Yeah, and they weren't good. You know.
Speaker 5: Andy Fickman, who is a director of producer I've been
Speaker 5: friends with for a long time, started off The Rock
Speaker 5: in a couple of his first movies and he you know,
Speaker 5: The Rock was not The Rock back then. It was
Speaker 5: like anything else. You know, you look back on your
Speaker 5: early work, or even me as a writer, I look
Speaker 5: back on my early work compared to my work now,
Speaker 5: I'm like, there's a difference. So it's the same with
Speaker 5: these guys, the big guys like Sina. By the way,
Speaker 5: Sena has an incredible sense of comedic timing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah he does.
Speaker 5: He's a funny dude. He is you know, Batista's who
Speaker 5: he is, and The Rock is an action figure come
Speaker 5: to life. But I think it's cutting their teeth on
Speaker 5: those promos day in day out, grabbing that mic and
Speaker 5: looking somebody in the eye and then looking into the
Speaker 5: eyes of the audience. Millions and millions of people and
Speaker 5: connecting with them. Yep, what what a better I mean,
Speaker 5: I couldn't think of a better acting class. So that
Speaker 5: would be my answer to that.
Speaker 6: If you had to pick another wrestler, someone currently competing
Speaker 6: in the modern day, to appear on Boy Meets World, Now,
Speaker 6: who would.
Speaker 5: You Pick's Live Morgan? Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's It's
Speaker 5: absolutely live. I'll tell you it's funny. I mostly am,
Speaker 5: you know, very like. My favorite wrestlers now are all
Speaker 5: on the female side. I love britt as we've talked about. Danielle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love.
Speaker 5: Mariah May you know, she's playing that sultry character and
Speaker 5: she plays the heck out of it Tony Storm. But
Speaker 5: for me, it's Live because if we're doing coming of
Speaker 5: age stories, Live is the girl next stoor that everybody,
Speaker 5: every boy, every girl is going to fall for. She's
Speaker 5: so likable, so accessible, she has such you know, and
Speaker 5: any era kind of look. You can put her in
Speaker 5: the fifties and buy it, you can put her in the.
Speaker 1: So she's she's of the wrestling room absolutely.
Speaker 5: And to further, you know, give Danielle her flowers. She
Speaker 5: has this incredibly larger than life, bubbly personality and you
Speaker 5: just want to hang out with her. You just want
Speaker 5: to sew twelve thirteen fourteen year old Live Morgan or
Speaker 5: sixteen for aar Matthews, you know whatever. All you guys
Speaker 5: would want to know this person, be this person. I
Speaker 5: think her likability meter is off the charts.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna ask you another hypothetical. It's season five,
Speaker 3: A Boy Meets World. You're working on it. You now
Speaker 3: take complete creative control season five onward?
Speaker 5: What do you do? What would you do? So that's
Speaker 5: a great question. Now, I I think we left halfway
Speaker 5: through the season.
Speaker 3: I think you guys left during the ski Lodge episode
Speaker 3: if I read correct, right, so right around there, so
Speaker 3: right around Corey Tapanga. We're not definitely getting married, we don't. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So so here this is these are real com I
Speaker 3: love this question.
Speaker 5: This is amazing, right because, like I think I was
Speaker 5: more careful the first time I was on, but now
Speaker 5: it's like, you guys are all established. I had conversations
Speaker 5: in the room with all of us and Michael. I
Speaker 5: did not support them getting married. I did not.
Speaker 1: I did not.
Speaker 5: I just didn't think it was speaking to the generation
Speaker 5: of where we were going. If in the other direction, sure, right.
Speaker 5: You know my mom was twenty Yeah, my dad twenty
Speaker 5: five when they got married. They stayed another sixty five years.
Speaker 3: But even that would have been two years after season five. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that's what I mean, Like you're talking that
Speaker 3: even that young, get getting married young still doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: mean eighteen.
Speaker 5: So and again it's Michael show and his belief of
Speaker 5: love and even in his own personal you know, journey
Speaker 5: with his wonderful wife. They have hiccups along the way, but.
Speaker 3: That was your one of your driving creative things. Should
Speaker 3: not have Corey Tapanga like destined forever it should be,
Speaker 3: But you wanted to Panga still be on the show.
Speaker 3: You just wanted it to be.
Speaker 4: If you want to try to kick me off the show,
Speaker 4: or did you.
Speaker 3: Get I get rid of that Danielle fishery my dog?
Speaker 5: Oh of course I think that my reality. You know, Michael,
Speaker 5: once he got you guys together, he knew he wanted
Speaker 5: to marry you guys. He believed in destiny, he believed
Speaker 5: in one love, he believed in all that stuff. I didn't.
Speaker 5: And again, as forward thinking, and I don't know what
Speaker 5: am I four years younger than Michael? I don't know
Speaker 5: those five years whatever. I was the baby in the room.
Speaker 5: But I just saw where we were going, and you know,
Speaker 5: as society and I even with my own kids, Kristin
Speaker 5: and I and we've been divorced for ten plus years now,
Speaker 5: but you know, back when I was a kid, and
Speaker 5: Michael has a very you know, maybe has a more idealistic,
Speaker 5: old fashioned way because of how he grew up. Like
Speaker 5: there were I didn't with our kids. We didn't say
Speaker 5: at seventeen, you have to know what you want to
Speaker 5: do for the rest of your life. You're going to
Speaker 5: college to study that, then you will get a job
Speaker 5: in that. We didn't raise our kids like that. That's
Speaker 5: how I was raised. So for me also again nothing wrong,
Speaker 5: I want to be very clear, nothing wrong with according
Speaker 5: to pet getting married. That was Michael's wish and he
Speaker 5: executed it. And I would say, what would you say,
Speaker 5: more than half the fan base supports it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they did a vote back in the day of
Speaker 1: should they or shouldn't they? And should they want?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So yeah, they asked the audience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's great. And but I I I again
Speaker 5: saw moving a different way, less pressure on kids to
Speaker 5: know what they want to do less pressure on kids
Speaker 5: to have to declare their profession when they leave freaking
Speaker 5: high school. And that's you know, also and the marriage
Speaker 5: thing aside. Now I'm talking about the kids, and back
Speaker 5: in the day, the pressure, I think that's also partly
Speaker 5: a root of a lot of mental health issues in
Speaker 5: young people. It was that incredible pressure at seventeen eighteen
Speaker 5: years old to know what the heck you're doing for
Speaker 5: the rest of your life.
Speaker 3: So that's interesting. So you're actually taking what I think
Speaker 3: is a very specific example like the Cory Tapanga love
Speaker 3: destiny marriage thing, but you're expanding it to all of
Speaker 3: our characters in a way, and all of our world,
Speaker 3: like the Boy Meets World world got very set season
Speaker 3: five onward as far as like these characters are these
Speaker 3: type of people doing this type of thing, and you're
Speaker 3: advocating for more of a sort of general openness about
Speaker 3: where yeah, growth like keeping basically we kind of came
Speaker 3: of age by season five and then just played out
Speaker 3: as those characters as opposed to keeping it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and what's the reality. You know, I'm sixty four
Speaker 5: years old. I'm not done learning, right, I'm not done changing,
Speaker 5: I'm not done rediscovering things that make me truly happy
Speaker 5: and experiencing those things. So in my view, I just
Speaker 5: think that you know, we all as humans continue to grow,
Speaker 5: continue to evolve, continue to make we are never done
Speaker 5: coming of age. And that's the truth. We're never done
Speaker 5: coming of age. You know there are, which is why
Speaker 5: like movies like The Big Chill back in the day,
Speaker 5: I loved it was a bunch of adults coming of age.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, around the death of a dear friend
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner's arm.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about my yearbook quote in
Speaker 4: the episode. Are you familiar with the gestalt prayer? A
Speaker 4: gestalt prayer? Have you ever heard of that?
Speaker 5: No? Okay, but I'm laughing because obviously you know I
Speaker 5: that's not me, not from you, I know. I mean,
Speaker 5: you guys know me well enough to know Bluckman not
Speaker 5: going beautiful.
Speaker 4: So the official quote from Tapanga is I do my
Speaker 4: thing and you do your thing.
Speaker 5: I am you.
Speaker 4: I am I, and you are you.
Speaker 6: If in the end we end up together, it's beautiful.
Speaker 6: And I never knew where that came from or had
Speaker 6: never just thought it was from our show. And then
Speaker 6: a very smart listener revealed that it's actually from something
Speaker 6: called a Gestalt prayer.
Speaker 4: More like, is it like, let me pull up the
Speaker 4: official Gestalt prayer because it's.
Speaker 5: The way you look for writer, you can use that
Speaker 5: with your poet wrestling character.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gstal Prayer by Fritz Pearls. I do my thing
Speaker 4: and you do your thing.
Speaker 6: I am not in this world to live up to
Speaker 6: your expectations and you are not in this world to
Speaker 6: live up to mine.
Speaker 4: Go to you are you and I am I? And
Speaker 4: if by chance we find each other, it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: If not, don't have to get married.
Speaker 4: It can't be helped.
Speaker 3: Yes, so healthy watching this episode when we have that moment, Danielle, Like,
Speaker 3: I know we talked about the first time when when
Speaker 3: when Corey and when Sean and Topanga have the moment
Speaker 3: at Chubby's where he's like, oh, you like him? It
Speaker 3: is so fun because it's like, oh, they're discovering Corey
Speaker 3: and Topanga, they're discovering this relationship and there's there's energy there,
Speaker 3: and there's like real energy between the two of us.
Speaker 3: And then the ending where you read this beautiful quote
Speaker 3: also has energy. It's like, oh my god, there's the
Speaker 3: potential and I just I miss that I missed the
Speaker 3: like potential to be something.
Speaker 6: And potential and unknowing and mystery and evolution for destiny
Speaker 6: gotta be let's get it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter that it's toxic stage.
Speaker 5: Like what was being shown on camera with both of you,
Speaker 5: I know, run away, make every viewer who is married go.
Speaker 5: I think we should maybe rethink this. If we're gonna
Speaker 5: espouse destiny and one true love, there should have been
Speaker 5: a little the balance should have been a little more magic,
Speaker 5: right and angry Cory, who is basically telling the world
Speaker 5: and you, I don't really want this, right, I don't
Speaker 5: know again.
Speaker 3: Life is supposed to be miserable. Yeah, you can stay miserable.
Speaker 4: Wonderful things, women throwing yourselves themselves.
Speaker 1: It's just a world of temptation because you're Corey.
Speaker 2: You're the kid who just wants to be someone but
Speaker 2: is also somehow the most popular kid that's ever walked
Speaker 2: the hallways of John Adamson and backge.
Speaker 5: My parents, my parents' generation and before. How many people
Speaker 5: got married and had kids because that's what you do.
Speaker 2: Yep, of course, that's what you're supposed to do, and
Speaker 2: stayed in pretty unhealthy marriages. A lot of them, not everyone,
Speaker 2: of course, but some unhealthy marriages because you just this
Speaker 2: is it.
Speaker 1: You're married now? Yeah, write it out.
Speaker 3: So, speaking of unhealthy marriages, we found must Gang. No,
Speaker 3: we recently interviewed your writing partner, Howard Busgang. The episode
Speaker 3: has not aired yet, but we did talk to him,
Speaker 3: and one of the things that was so interesting is
Speaker 3: like we didn't actually talk to him that much back
Speaker 3: in the day, Like he was so much more subdued
Speaker 3: and like behind the scenes than you, because like you
Speaker 3: would just hang.
Speaker 5: Out with us.
Speaker 3: You're always talking to me. Yeah, we talk about music,
Speaker 3: we talk about movies, like everything, whereas with bus Gang
Speaker 3: we didn't get So tell us about that relationship. What
Speaker 3: was it like working with him? What was the dynamic?
Speaker 3: How did because you were much more present to us,
Speaker 3: but talking to him, he's hysterical. We know that he
Speaker 3: must have brought so much the to the relationship and
Speaker 3: to the writing. So how did that work out for you?
Speaker 5: Great question? Did not know that it would be asked,
Speaker 5: but it so. Howard and I know each other since
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, we grew up.
Speaker 5: Two streets away from each other, two streets and are.
Speaker 1: You proud Americans, so we can continue talking with you.
Speaker 5: You grew up well, I was born in Jersey, so
Speaker 5: I'm an actual American. I'm not a Canadian who was
Speaker 5: hoping that my country gets swallowed up by lords right
Speaker 5: in the Ultimate pac Man walka waka waka waka.
Speaker 3: No, let's goot shot, let's take it.
Speaker 5: But so Howard and I became friends, and then it
Speaker 5: was before Boy Meets World. Danny Jacobson a big show
Speaker 5: run her. He had a show, he had two shows.
Speaker 5: He came from the home improvement camp, but he had
Speaker 5: two shows, Good Advice and Matt About You. And had
Speaker 5: a friend who was an assistant at Sony TriStar, who
Speaker 5: said they want to hire a team. I said, well,
Speaker 5: I'm not a team. I write alone. And she said,
Speaker 5: I can probably say you'll have a good chance of
Speaker 5: getting this gig if you're a team. I spoke to
Speaker 5: Howard and said, hey, you know you want to do this,
Speaker 5: and we went for the meeting. Here's the funny story
Speaker 5: with that. We go in meet Danny Jacobson, notorious, super
Speaker 5: talented guy, but his focuses were back in the day
Speaker 5: were two things, the betting form, horses and pot. We
Speaker 5: walk into a cloud of smoke. He goes, you seem normal.
Speaker 5: He hands us two VHS tapes. Go watch these two shows,
Speaker 5: which ever one you want. I read your script. It's great.
Speaker 5: Whichever one you want, you could do, so we go watch.
Speaker 5: Good Advice was Shelley Long, the late Treat Williams, George Weiner,
Speaker 5: Juliet Lewis's brother, Lightfield Lewis. Estelle Harris later played George's
Speaker 5: mom like this incredible cast, and the concept was simple.
Speaker 5: She was a marriage therapist and Treat Williams character was
Speaker 5: a divorce attorney and they shared office space, so clearly
Speaker 5: they were going to have the same dance. We go,
Speaker 5: this show is going to run for ten years.
Speaker 1: And the others mad about you.
Speaker 5: The other was mad about you that we said too.
Speaker 5: Sonyaid no to mad about you, like what Good Advice
Speaker 5: ran one or two years. But so Howard and I are.
Speaker 5: Our dynamic was as you said, we were very different
Speaker 5: both personally and professionally. And what was under deniable is
Speaker 5: our work was really good, but we were a broken marriage.
Speaker 5: We were Correoto and we like you guys don't know this,
Speaker 5: but normally, normally the norm was writing teams share an office.
Speaker 5: By year three, Michael went to Karen McCain and said,
Speaker 5: get them their own offices.
Speaker 4: How long were you guys a team.
Speaker 5: Good Advice through ninety eight or ninety nine grown Ups
Speaker 5: with Juliel? I know, you guys had Julil White on
Speaker 5: and we did his show, so I'd say about eight
Speaker 5: nine years and that was it. Like people think that
Speaker 5: we were together forever. The work was always really good
Speaker 5: and the combination worked, and but you know, personally, it
Speaker 5: was just hard for both of us. Were very different.
Speaker 5: Love sports, you know, he loves Delhi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to name a sandwich after me, hopefully
Speaker 2: if I keep if I keep bugging about it, that's
Speaker 2: the plans.
Speaker 5: The make up for the wrestling, no names.
Speaker 1: I want my own sandwich.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, person next to Danielle Brisket sandwich works for me.
Speaker 5: But anyway, you know, we had a really great eight
Speaker 5: nine ten year run working together. He's super, super talented
Speaker 5: and I wish him nothing, but you know, love and
Speaker 5: success and happiness.
Speaker 6: Well, Mark, you were an integral part, as was Howard
Speaker 6: of Boy Meets World, and it.
Speaker 4: Is now a show. As writer mentioned, we've been watching.
Speaker 4: We've watched straight through five.
Speaker 6: Seasons and we see your mark, we feel your mark,
Speaker 6: and we love you, Mark, love so much. Thank you
Speaker 6: so much for coming back to reminisce with us and
Speaker 6: for talking about Boy Meets World. Without you, they're really
Speaker 6: there is no Boy Meets World. So thank you so
Speaker 6: much for your contributions over those years. And it's always
Speaker 6: great to have you.
Speaker 5: And shout out to all the fans, and thanks for
Speaker 5: supporting these guys. They deserve it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank thank you Mark. Good to see you Mark.
Speaker 1: Not soon by gosh.
Speaker 6: I don't obviously we didn't know any of the backstory,
Speaker 6: but I wonder, like, knowing both of them, I still
Speaker 6: find it hard to believe they needed separate offices, you know,
Speaker 6: like like I wonder what it was about even just
Speaker 6: being so different that like.
Speaker 4: They couldn't be in this, they couldn't share an office.
Speaker 1: Can you even imagine Howard raising his voice?
Speaker 5: Like even just the.
Speaker 3: Outward conflict, I think it would probably just be like
Speaker 3: they would get on each other's nerves. Yeah, we got
Speaker 3: to take a break.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, but is there anybody who wouldn't
Speaker 6: get on someone anybody who wouldn't get on someone else's nerves?
Speaker 4: If you're like sharing an office.
Speaker 2: Twenty four and that writing staff there sometimes till three
Speaker 2: o'clock in the morning. They're doing everything. They're doing five
Speaker 2: or six scripts this season. I mean that's it's a
Speaker 2: lot of work. It's a to I mean, that's why
Speaker 2: it's magical when it when it works. Yeah, like when
Speaker 2: it when it's good, it's good.
Speaker 3: I've only known I've only known a few writers who
Speaker 3: are like just in love with their room, you know who.
Speaker 3: They were so happy most of the time. It's a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of anxiety, a lot of competition,
Speaker 3: a lot of backstabbing. Less so nowadays. But I feel like,
Speaker 3: especially back in the day, it was it was all
Speaker 3: like just trying to get your name on that script,
Speaker 3: trying to get your joke in.
Speaker 1: And and that's a man forget. If you were a woman,
Speaker 1: it was a if you're even in there. It's an
Speaker 1: entirely different worlds.
Speaker 3: I think nowadays it is. I think it's you know,
Speaker 3: it's more accepting, it's more like of a safe space.
Speaker 3: But I also know that COVID took a big you know,
Speaker 3: it had a huge effect. Everybody was sort of suddenly
Speaker 3: having like zoom meeting writing rooms, and like, I think
Speaker 3: it's gone back in person a lot more. But it's
Speaker 3: a it's a it's an interesting culture. I've never really
Speaker 3: experienced it for firsthand, I know me neither.
Speaker 4: No mean, I've never I've never been in it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: you didn't like it at all.
Speaker 6: But if you think about what makes a really good
Speaker 6: writer's room, you're gonna need a lot of very unique povs.
Speaker 6: You're gonna want different people with different povs and different experiences.
Speaker 3: And then you think skill sets and.
Speaker 6: Different skill sets and different preferences and different and you know,
Speaker 6: maybe kind of their own niche, and so you're going
Speaker 6: to have people that are really different from you and
Speaker 6: that you know, Yeah, if you think about spending every
Speaker 6: single day, hours on end, you're gonna get annoyed.
Speaker 4: You're just it's going to it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: I think it's also always depends too on the leadership
Speaker 2: in the room. I think evers leading the room is
Speaker 2: gonna is going to dictate what type of room it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean when we had Barbie on, Barbie was
Speaker 2: talking about you know how she's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: and one of the last shows I want it was
Speaker 2: all women, and I was one of the people in
Speaker 2: charge and it was the greatest thing in the world.
Speaker 1: I mean, you just you never know. It's it's all
Speaker 1: about who's kind of leading the room too. I think
Speaker 1: that's true.
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