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Speaker 2: Twitter when we release this pod. And the reason I'm

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Speaker 2: doing this, people, is so that you get better sound quality.

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Speaker 1: We've heard, we hear you. We don't have access to

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Speaker 2: I can't take myself seriously. But anyway, we're going to

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Speaker 2: carry on and we're going to do this because that's

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Speaker 2: the Poston I am, and I do have a tequila

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very unbrand for you though, So this is

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Speaker 1: the bubble version of the French Open. My favorite maybe

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Speaker 1: I mean, usually it's the clay swing because it's like

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Speaker 2: Well, Ash just decided to stay home and win the

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Speaker 2: And you know, look, it was an unbelievable year last year.

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Speaker 2: Remember when Venus and Serena used to take off like

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Speaker 1: Nothing makes sense, So let's talk about some stuff that

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Speaker 2: Because we've had a.

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Speaker 2: Where cheating happens all the time, where.

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Speaker 1: Cheating happens all the time. And I'm happy to tell

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Speaker 1: a little you know, tit for tat no pun, no

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Speaker 2: I don't know. No, it is not just tit and

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Speaker 2: Is it Burton's or Burton's.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Burton's because you get the Burtons Mertens.

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Speaker 2: sure I should have known, or donkey Belle, that's thanky.

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Speaker 1: However you pronounce her last name? Yeah. The last twenty

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it was a good tennis match,

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Speaker 1: but it was an incredibly captivating tennis match. It ends

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Speaker 1: with Kiki saving several match points, Sarah Ronnie getting time

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Speaker 1: her serve in the last several years?

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Speaker 2: This is not new brutal, brutal What do you do with.

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Speaker 1: A player like that who can't get their toss up

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Speaker 1: and serves an eighty seven mile and ever.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm not going to give her too much shit

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Speaker 2: because I had a little bit of a issue through

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Speaker 2: on the ball toss, the Anna Ivanovich, the.

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Speaker 1: Copatitudes Elena Demitieva, they have pin in your stomach, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's not fun.

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Speaker 2: I used to have. But before I played my first

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god. And

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Speaker 2: thankfully I was. I was fine the next day. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I can understand this to a certain grie nowhere

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Speaker 2: near how bad it is for Sarah Ronnie. I never,

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Speaker 2: for one time in my career thought about serving underund

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Speaker 2: And so for me, I could never do that because

435
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 2: my reputation. I always wanted to look at myself in

436
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 2: the mirror in twenty years time and go listen, I

437
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 2: may have lost certain matches, I could have made with you,

438
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 2: but I don't care.

439
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: But let me ask you a question. So this work,

440
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: it seems like we're picking on the women. Don't worry,

441
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: we'll get to the men. Another one was the Laura

442
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: Siegmund double bounce down one five set point to Kiki Modenovitch.

443
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: The other Kiki whose name I do have more of

444
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 1: a handle.

445
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: On, obviously Simon Ladenovitch and not Burtons.

446
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: But anyways, it's pretends I think I think it's a

447
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: Dutch pronunciation.

448
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: Okay, well, maybe I'm wrong, and we're going to get

449
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 2: people tweeting us after this thing, tell us all the

450
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: smaltest person in the room goodbye.

451
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: It's oftentimes that I'm proven wrong about these things, especially

452
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 1: when it comes to my over confidence in pronunciations. Truly,

453
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 1: so is that a call you make on yourself to

454
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 1: me growing up?

455
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 2: Always? Because the empire.

456
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 1: Doesn't always catch a double bounce, there's no var like

457
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: they have in soccer video review, isn't necessarily part of

458
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: the culture of calling that call. In this case, ava

459
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: Atsaraki Moore, who's great and one of like the legend umpires,

460
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: just didn't happen to see it. Maybe if the body

461
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: was blocking it, but upon review, Laura Siegmund very clearly

462
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: did not make that drop shot. I argue, if you're

463
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: a player, there's no way you don't know. You always know,

464
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: and you should always call it on yourself.

465
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: There's only one time that you may not know, and

466
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,199
Speaker 2: that's if you extend your arm out so far and

467
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 2: your head is not looking at the ball at all. Right,

468
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 2: so you or a dive. I mean I've done that

469
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: right where I've do for a ball? Is it dove dived?

470
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: Dive dove?

471
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: You actually don't know?

472
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 2: Oh God, that's amiral. Let's just keep going anyway where

473
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say dove because it just sounds better doper

474
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: a ball And you're not quite sure did you get

475
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 2: under it? Did the did it hit the ground and

476
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: then go over the net if you're not looking right,

477
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: if you're not looking. But when that double bounce happened

478
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: with Siegmund, oh you know that's a double bounce. You

479
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: know it for a fact that that's double bounce because

480
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: it hits your I could on the strings. Okay, when

481
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: it hits the strings, you know it's a double bounce.

482
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: Other way it would have had the left of the

483
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: right very bad them.

484
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Ava Asdaraki to me is the first umpire

485
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 2: in the game. I'm shocked that she missed it, to

486
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: be quite honest with you, because it wasn't that tough

487
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: to see. I'm really surprised she missed it. But having

488
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 2: said that, there's no way i'd take that point. No

489
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 2: way I take that point. The only way, as I'm

490
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: going to say this, the only way I would take

491
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 2: that point is if I saw somebody, if I saw

492
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: my opponent do the exact same thing to me two

493
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 2: games earlier, maybe, and I said, oh, you know what

494
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: you just did to me, Fuck you. But that is

495
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 2: probably the only way that I would do that, just

496
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: for a retribution of like, you didn't call it on yourself.

497
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: She missed it, so you know what, now we're square.

498
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: I would still probably find a hard time doing that

499
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: because I was the type of person that would get

500
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: so annoyed at the umpire for missing the cop. I'd

501
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: be like they maybe they called like thirty forty or

502
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 2: or juice in that circumstance, juice, and I'd be like, no,

503
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: you fucking idiot, you missed the call. I'd be annoyed

504
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 2: at the umpire because I just well, yeah, you know, listen,

505
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: I had my fair share of yelling at umpire, so

506
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: it was more about me wanting to prove them wrong, right,

507
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 2: So I'd be like, you missed the call, your idiot's set,

508
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 2: you know, and I'd walk in my chair. And another

509
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: reason is you know that there are sixteen cameras on

510
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: you at that point, which so once again it comes

511
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: down to locker room reputation. Everybody knows for the rest

512
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: of Laura Siegeman's life, she's still in the tournament that

513
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: she cheated and won that first set. Now I'm not

514
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 2: saying she would have won the match or lost the match,

515
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: but I know for a fact she should have been

516
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: down one set to love.

517
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: See Kiki Bladovitch winning that first set six to one.

518
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: Hard to imagine she loses that.

519
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: Man, Well, I mean, we don't have to lose the

520
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 2: match six one, five one up at the USO.

521
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: It's true, Yeah, no, it's absolutely true. And she did

522
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: have several other set points in that first set. She

523
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 1: had set point can relate to that, so hard something

524
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: going awry, you're opponent of doing something and just throwing

525
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: you completely out of your game, which I guess you know,

526
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: if you're a profession that shouldn't happen.

527
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, Laura Siegmund, like that's still yeah, that's fun. Shit,

528
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 2: I mean shit, yeah. And like I said, I mean,

529
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: you do you do wonder what if three games from

530
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: now the umpire misses the same call. I get it,

531
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: all of that sort of stuff. But for me as

532
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: a player, you walked to the chair and you sit

533
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: down and you accept the fact that you lost a

534
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: first set because she lost the first set, she lost

535
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 2: a presette.

536
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned to me that there was a very similar

537
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: instance that happened in your career with Yolena Dulkic.

538
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me what happened dark on the same court

539
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: as well. Really French Open, Yeah, French Open, Center court,

540
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: semi final, the women's doubles. It was two to one

541
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: in the first set. We were up a break, Lisa

542
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: Raymond and myself and it was literally fifteen all. I mean,

543
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: I remember it all like it was yesterday. I hit

544
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: Concita Martinez hit a return and I had a high

545
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: fine VOLLI not one that I would normally just smack

546
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: at my opponent's feet point over and because I poached

547
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: and instead I hit it a little bit late, so

548
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 2: I hit it a bit fat, and I knew as

549
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 2: soon as I hit it was actually going to hit

550
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: Eulena like because I always aim at my on its feet,

551
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: just for those people out there, that's a good place

552
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 2: to aim sure and play when you were a poaching

553
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: And I hit it a bit late, and I knew

554
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: straight away it was going to hit her. And when

555
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: I hit it, she started turning her back because she knew,

556
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: oh boy, this is coming right at me. And when

557
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,719
Speaker 2: I hit it actually I hit it fat and higher

558
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: than I expected, and it hit her in the back

559
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: and it ricocheted off and it went out, and the

560
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: umpire said love fifteen fifteen thirty, or maybe it was

561
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: the first point, love fifteen. I said. I looked at

562
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: him and I said, no, did the ball hit her

563
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: in the back and went out? And he said I

564
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: didn't see it, which I'm not going to give him

565
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: too much shit, because the angle may have looked a

566
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: little bit weird, and you seem to be with even

567
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: more law.

568
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: It could have been in the way of her visual field.

569
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: It happens, right, but she could have I said to her, no, no,

570
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: the ball hit her, And he said, well, I missed it,

571
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: and then I said, the Elna and keep it mind.

572
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: Elana and I that a point were really were. I

573
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't say we were great friends, but we were friends.

574
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: And I was somebody who always stick stuck up for her.

575
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: Just read her book and you'll figure out why. And

576
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: I hit it and it went out, and she turned

577
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 2: around to me. She would not look at me. And

578
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: she turned around to me and I said, Elaine, at

579
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: the ball hit you, you need to tell him. And

580
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: she looked at me and she waved her finger in

581
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: my face and said, don't talk to me, talk to him.

582
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, you little fuck. I couldn't

583
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: believe it because it was basically just she knew that

584
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: he missed the call. She was not going to call

585
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: it on herself. Maybe she was worried about getting beat

586
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 2: by her dad after the match. There's all these sort

587
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: of things, lots of other things going on. But I

588
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: was so angry after that. It actually cost me the

589
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: match because Lisa and I should have won that match.

590
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: And it's a story I told on the air at

591
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: ESPN when I tried to hit an opponent with a

592
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: set point out the French Open and Lisa and I

593
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: if I just hit a regular ball that I WoT

594
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: it was a set point. No, that that point was

595
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: early in the second set, but on match point, on

596
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: set point at the first set, Lisa and I were

597
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: winning comfortably. At that point, I tried to I had

598
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: an over sort of semi high ball and I tried

599
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 2: it was an overhead, and I tried to hit Elaine

600
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: with it. That was my own goal, My own goal,

601
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 2: only goal was to hit her. And of course I

602
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: had the whole line in my head. I was like,

603
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: did that hit you? Did that one hit you? Right?

604
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 2: It was all set in my mind. Instead of hitting her,

605
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: I actually missed the overhead. I shanked it and hit

606
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: it out. I almost kip con Cheta in the head,

607
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: which Cheta was a really good friend of mine and

608
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: still is. And I missed it. We lost the game,

609
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: and then we ended up losing the set. See but

610
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: it's so he stuck in your head. This whole thing.

611
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Did lose the set because of you were going for blood,

612
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: because you felt like you needed to punsure. And who

613
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 1: says tennis isn't mental, It is metal?

614
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: But I do think like if you are. It was

615
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 2: the biggest lesson on a tennis court.

616
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: Don't lay a rage blind your st I.

617
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Only had one thought. I didn't. My thought wasn't yeah,

618
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: we're going to win this set. Let's put it to

619
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: bed and win this match and be in the final.

620
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: It was I was like, Oh, I'm going to hit

621
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: you and I'm going to teach you a lesson. No,

622
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: I taught myself a lesson, which I guess I did

623
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: teach someone a lesson, just wasn't the right yourself. Let's

624
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: talk with the men a little bit.

625
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: A couple of since this episode is all about sportsmanship,

626
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: I'm calling it sportsmanship Awards. Some notable jawing at umpires

627
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: happening from Jack Sock Jack sock Man. I mean, I

628
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: guess I'm glad he's back in main draws.

629
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: Just people know, I just took another drink after that story.

630
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: You just needed to take it easy money grandson on everyone.

631
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: You have some great commemorative towels, though I can say

632
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: having partakenation them just just kissing, I'll burn them all.

633
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: Jacksack is back.

634
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: He's got lots to say to umpires all the time

635
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: about basically the hawkeye or lack thereof on Clay is

636
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: a real contentious thing. Everyone says hawkey is not very

637
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: accurate on clay, and so don't yearn for this technology

638
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: that can't.

639
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: Actually call balls on clay. Do you have an opinion

640
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: about this? What do you think? My opinion is if

641
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: you listen to anything that came out of my mouth

642
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: at the US Open, you know exactly what I think

643
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: of this. I mean, get hawkeye on every single court. Yeah.

644
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: And here's the reason, Cablin, because on clay, as you know,

645
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: when you clean the lines, sometimes the line doesn't get

646
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: clean perfectly. A little bit of the the little bit

647
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: of the brush makes a little bit of the line

648
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: not look so is there clay?

649
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: There?

650
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: Is there not? And then when you get a balance

651
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: that's really close to the line, is it touching the line?

652
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: Is it not touching the line? Well, I'm not sure

653
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: because that's the brush line. You know, there's too much

654
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: ambiguity in that in itself. And I can tell you

655
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: you can there can be ballmarks where you can get

656
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: five players come over and be like, what do you

657
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: think and two of them will say it's in three

658
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: of them will say so terribly. That is that is,

659
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: in my opinion, too ambiguous, and it is to subject

660
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: to a human mistake, raor whatever you want. Now there's

661
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: going to be arguments to that because the player is

662
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: going to be like, but look, but see this, but

663
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: what about that? But the angle And it's happened to

664
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: me so many times that I've had so many arguments

665
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: with umpires and you know, the ball can hit the clay,

666
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: and the clay can you know, push up a bit

667
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 2: of clay against the line, so therefore it looks like

668
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: it's out, but it really anyway, My point is you

669
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: can't argue with the fucking machine. Okay. So if you

670
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: are a player at the strength one hundred and fifteen

671
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: in the world or number one in the world, that

672
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: machine is calling the same.

673
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you're okay for it, right, It's calibrated the

674
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: same way. So there's a market for the same margin

675
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: for no arguments, everybody.

676
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: And listen, there has been a couple of arguments where

677
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: players like I remember John Is in the last year

678
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: when there was like, there's no way that balls in

679
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: or out or whatever it was, and everyone was like,

680
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: we agree with you. And I've actually had it to me.

681
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: Happened to me in a mixed doubles.

682
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: Matching all the humans agree, but the machine is saying

683
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: something else is exactly literally.

684
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: I'll never forget I was playing mixed doubles or so

685
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: hit it was a double fault. I could see it

686
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: right off the racket. Oh, it's going to be a

687
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: double the angle of the ball hit. Linesman calls it out, unpire,

688
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: It doesn't say word. I turn around, walk back. One

689
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: of the one of the oppontents not both said oh, challenge,

690
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: and then the machine said it was in. I was like,

691
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: there's no way there. But I was standing on the

692
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: line and I can see that boll. There is Michel prayer.

693
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: But it's going to be the same for everybody. And

694
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: that's the point. No one needs to have this ambiguous

695
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: bullshit on tennis anymore. When we have the technology, just use.

696
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: It, and we wouldn't have lines people as Novaktovitch seems

697
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: to want.

698
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: The amount of flights I had on Twitter during the

699
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: US Open about people like you don't care about the linesmen.

700
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, listen, I'm sorry for the linesmen. They're going

701
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: to lose their jobs like at the Grand Slams and

702
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: the big tournaments, but I'm sorry when it comes to

703
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: the difference between a player being in the possible in

704
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: second round of a tournament that could change their careers

705
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 2: and their lives. I don't give a shit about the

706
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: linesmen at that point. I care about let's get these

707
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: these match. These players are working their asses off to

708
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: get it right. And I saw so many instances at

709
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: the US Open where you were leading up to the

710
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: players match on the main courts to get the call

711
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: right on the biggest of circumstances. For example, just one

712
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: that popped into my head, Jen Brady caught semi finals

713
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: of the US Open break point hits the ball back

714
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: of the line, doesn't query it. That's a whole different story.

715
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: One.

716
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: She didn't do that, but that ball was in. It

717
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: was break points, one of the best servers in the game,

718
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: she'd just come back from being down forty in the

719
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: previous service game. What's to say she couldn't have gone

720
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: out of that service game. But it said she didn't

721
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: even query it, and the game was over, and then the.

722
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: Match was over.

723
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: Seriously, You've got the technology telling us that ball is in,

724
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: and you're saying, because she didn't challenge, we're not going

725
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: to get it right. It's just it's yeah.

726
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: I know, I remember vividly the Lena Agger red Banska

727
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: semi final at Wimbledon. Remember that niece, you know, called

728
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: out she doubles. Yeah, set over, Yeah, that's the match

729
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: lean I could have been in a final, probably would

730
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: have won.

731
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: It and had And she just said to us, she

732
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: has said to me, it's the biggest mistake of her career,

733
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: was not challenging that ball, right, And the reason she

734
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: didn't want to do shouldn't have. The reason she didn't

735
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: want to do it is because she didn't want to

736
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: interrupt her second serve. And any player would understand that

737
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: full process, because like if I challenge and then it's out,

738
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: and then I could have like wait thirty seconds to

739
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 2: and you know, go away from my normal cadence of

740
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 2: serving my second serve, and I still have a second

741
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: serve and it's still set point. No, it was set Yeah,

742
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 2: it was over over. Yeah.

743
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: But you're right, it's impossible to wait for a call

744
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: in between.

745
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: You cannot leave it up to players to make those

746
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: decisions on balls that are that close to the line,

747
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: to make a split second decision when we already have

748
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: the technology. Well that's the thing.

749
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: One of the things that's really frustrating about a lot

750
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: of sports. And I think I watched a lot of baseball,

751
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: and I you do.

752
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: I really liked baseball. I married a Yankees fan, so

753
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: we watched a lot of beeseball.

754
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: In our house. And also I was a Montreal Expos

755
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: fan up until we didn't have a team anymore, which

756
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: don't gonna be started. We should have because it should

757
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: have won the ninety six.

758
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: They should have gone the World.

759
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: Series and said there were a player strike it ruined

760
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: the team.

761
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Andre's Galabraga. We had a great team that year.

762
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: Rowlie Bard, Mois Salu Seeth the one of those cubs

763
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: that had that that that catch out in the outfield

764
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: and it didn't get when the bartman caught it.

765
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, is that yeah, like you took the catch

766
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: away because it was like it should have been interference.

767
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. What a right documentary.

768
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: By the way, what I hate about baseball and I

769
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: love baseball.

770
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: What I hate about baseball.

771
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: Is the strike zone is completely arbitrary, and the ump

772
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: is making up to players how well you jaw the umpire.

773
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: All of that affects the calls. Right. There should be

774
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: no room for interpretation.

775
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: If the viewers at home have a more accurate view

776
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: on whether a ball is a strike or a ball,

777
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: or whether a tennis ball is in or out, then

778
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: the players playing on the court that is a failing.

779
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: So I don't have anything against lines people, nor do

780
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: I feels and the most accurate calls. If you can

781
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: sell at home that something is happening and it's more

782
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: right than what's happening on the court or the baseball field.

783
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: As a work, that's a problem. It's like, you know,

784
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 2: I don't want to take I'm sorry for the old

785
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: linesmen out there. I know that you know some it's

786
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: an unpaid I think I get it all. I'm really sorry.

787
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: We do have to have linesmen to learn like the

788
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 2: because all that gold badge umpires have come through being linesman,

789
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: so we need that system to be able to get

790
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: linesman to become umpires. But there has to be a

791
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 2: better way. And as far as I'm concerned that the

792
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 2: big tournaments get it right period.

793
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: Let's talk about something else involving sportsmanship, which doesn't have

794
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: anything to do with lines or umpires or calls, but

795
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: rather coaching from the stands. In one player's case, specifically

796
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:35,479
Speaker 1: the ongoing dialogue that Stefano sizzypas who I Love has

797
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: with his father, which clearly seems well beyond what is

798
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: considered acceptable from interaction from a coach to a player standpoint.

799
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: Other players complain about it. If anybody's watched any of

800
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: his matches this year at the French Open, you will

801
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: it's unmistakable because now there's no crowds, so all you

802
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: hear is squeaking of their feet or in his matches,

803
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: squeaking of feet and his dad.

804
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: It's nuts. Yeah, it is nuts. Well, I do know

805
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: I have heard from a reliable source that some of

806
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: the stuff out of his mouth is not super positive.

807
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: So I don't know if it's necessarily a positive or

808
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: a negative. Actually think it hurts it. Well. I was

809
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: going to play Devil's advocate there by saying I don't

810
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: know if it's a positive or negative, because he does

811
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 2: win a lot of matches, but in my opinion, it

812
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: is without question a negative for him. I think a

813
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 2: little bit of encouragement every now and again, maybe a

814
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: little bit of something here and there. We all do it.

815
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: I coach from the sideline, I mean, any coach that

816
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 2: says they don't coach is full of shit. I actually

817
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: think one of probably the only people that doesn't coach

818
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: at all from the stands is literally Patrick Moretugwood. That's hilarious,

819
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 2: which is a lot of use, and like Serena barely

820
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: looks at him for that reason. So I think it's

821
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: hilarious that really, this rule has been scrutinized so much

822
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: since we happened, and it's clear she didn't even see

823
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 2: him during that. Oh no, that's not. The interpretation of

824
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: the rule is if you're coaching, and same coaching at

825
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: players looking, but Devil's advocate for that match, it wasn't

826
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: look at him. Yeah, so just have a little bit

827
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 2: of common sense on that one. But don't even get

828
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: me started on that one. But but yeah, look at

829
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: the bottom line is you should allow coaching from the

830
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 2: stands because as a coach, I can tell you can

831
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: only tell your players so much, because if you tell

832
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: them too much, it's paralysis by analysis and they're just

833
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: like shut the fuck up, Like, let me think for myself.

834
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: Once in a blue moon, you want to tell them,

835
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: maybe watch the serve out wide, keep hitting that back

836
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: and cross court. Okay, that's the way to play. That's

837
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: the perfect point. Keep that going, same, same, same, or

838
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: you know, there are little things that you can say

839
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: to a player that kind of makes sense to them

840
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: where it's not overloading them. Same pattern, great job, keep

841
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: hitting that serve. You know, Oh that's a good serve.

842
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: Keep that one going. They're all little just nudges in

843
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: the bludges in the in the right direction. But like

844
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: coaching like he does, that is not helpful to him

845
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: in tough moments.

846
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: Literally not no. I mean the Hamburg final that you

847
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: lost was largely the dad left, screamed at the dad

848
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: to leave, the dad comes back, he starts losing again.

849
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't speak Greek, but whatever this dude

850
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: is telling is Stephanos is not helpful. And also it

851
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: brings up one of my least favorite tropes, which is

852
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: the parent coach. If you're a professional athlete, at a

853
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: certain point, don't you just want to say, like, hey,

854
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: thanks usually dad, but also potentially mom, thank you so

855
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: much for getting me here. I hope you also enjoy

856
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: the fruits of me being a successful athlete, which means

857
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: I've now bought you a house and you're partaking of

858
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: the upside of this, But now it's time for me

859
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,479
Speaker 1: to go my own way and get a professional coach.

860
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: When it's not healthy, it's pretty obvious, and I think that,

861
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: you know, I think that there's a point where every

862
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: one of these players needs to find a professional coach

863
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: to help him through these moments. But look, there's also

864
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: been some great play a coach relationships. I think Caroline

865
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: wasn't the aki, you know, has stated on many times

866
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: that she didn't think that anyone could sort of understand

867
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: her like her dad, and obviously they had a great

868
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: relationship and she did incredibly well throughout her career. So

869
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: there are there are certainly some coach player parent relationships

870
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: that have done pretty well. But at some point, yeah,

871
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: I do think it's much healthier for everybody that they

872
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: step away and they get it, they get somebody that's

873
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: not their parent, because it starts to affect their relationships,

874
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: and it starts to affect in my opinion, and more

875
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 2: than anything, I think that it really stops the player

876
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: becoming socially more just more mature, you know. And some

877
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: of them, I mean, I think Maria Bartoli like is

878
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: a perfect example. Look, she did great with her dad,

879
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: she won Wimbledon, but I think it took her a

880
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 2: long time when she was finished playing to finally get

881
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: socially sort of like ground fitting as it exactly, and

882
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: things like that, because you know, your father's around her

883
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: the time. He was around all the time. And there's

884
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 2: plenty like that that I don't want to name over

885
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: and over and over because well.

886
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: Some of them are really well known. Some of them

887
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: was named after them. Like one of them that I

888
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: was really happy that he wasn't around was Caroline Garcia.

889
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's an accident that she's had a

890
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: pretty good European clacewing.

891
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: Well, he was back at the French Lift, so was he.

892
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: She did live there, but she had a very good tournament,

893
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 1: and I didn't see him in New York either.

894
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: I do think that that would be that's a perfect

895
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 2: example of somebody that I think is she had a

896
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: really great I think she always had great results at

897
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: fed Cup, and one of the reasons was that she

898
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 2: was she had a different coach, Maresmo and culture. Yeah, totally.

899
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 2: So for me, I think that that's a good example

900
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: of somebody who could benefit by having someone just a

901
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: little bit more. I don't want to say wiser, just

902
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: a little bit more understanding of what it takes to

903
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 2: be a great player.

904
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: Well, I also think, having sat through a couple of

905
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: Caroline Garcia matches with her agent who have become friendly with,

906
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: she looks over at the dad after every point, winner, lose,

907
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: and you have to start wondering, she's got top five ground.

908
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: Strokes to coach.

909
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: She's a great talent, sir is great hands are amazing.

910
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: She's an accomplished doubles player. I mean the whole game

911
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: she's got. Yeah, Like, you can't deny the fact that

912
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: her game.

913
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: Is just so spectacular. She's very UPTI but I think

914
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: that's why.

915
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: I think that's why she's so upset. I think she's

916
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: used to being scrutinized after every single point, looking to

917
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: her father first.

918
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: Well, I know because I've also been around her in

919
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: the practice court quite a bit, because I've had my

920
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 2: place that have that I've coached, that have practiced with her,

921
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: and it's he's NonStop. Yeah, like every single point, he's NonStop.

922
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 2: And I'm you know, look, he's gotten to where she's gotten,

923
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: which is, you know, formally in the top ten in

924
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 2: the world. But it's time to let go and let

925
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: somebody take those rights anyway.

926
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: All right, let's end by giving out some sportsmanship awards.

927
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: Oh okay now, and then men's side, women's side. We

928
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 1: can go into a wheelchair, we can go into legends,

929
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: we can go into doubles, specialists, anything you want, juniors,

930
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: best sports, worst sports.

931
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: We can call out specifics.

932
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to know vak Djokovic,

933
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: who a lot of stuff aside, is always good about

934
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: conceding points. We were talking about conceding points. He's really

935
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: good about that. If a call is missed, he'll give

936
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: it to his opponent. I think that's really really excellent. Yeah,

937
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: and I think it speaks well of his respect, at

938
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: least for other players.

939
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 2: Oh listen, when it comes to things like that on

940
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 2: the tennis court, there's no doubt the Novak is up

941
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 2: top of the list, like he all the I think

942
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: the great champions are very aware of that. They also

943
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: know that they're going to win every fucking match period. Go, buddy,

944
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: here's your one point. That was it? How do you

945
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: feel that you Yeah, now, I'm joking, but we kind

946
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: of but but no, no, he's always been great like that.

947
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: There's no question worst on the men's side. God, I

948
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: don't even know, you know, there's been some classic situations

949
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: that double bounces or the old hit the hair on

950
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: match point of the year so Open?

951
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: Was it.

952
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: Ken Flack that that happened? Oh, going way back, I

953
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: remember Daniel Nesta, I think hit the net on a

954
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: follow through in a volley and he it was like

955
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: match point. It is like a huge point at the

956
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: US Open, and I think he ended up losing the

957
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: point and you're losing the match. The women's side best

958
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: sport well, personally, I have to talk about Sam Stow's

959
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: the last year in Guangzhou when a ball hit her

960
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: on the foot and it was going out and it

961
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: went and hit her on the foot, and I mean,

962
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: that's still not her point, but the way she handled it,

963
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: she just kind of walked together chis. It was three

964
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: hour match was six or five and the third she

965
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: hit her opponent Para hit a ball that was going

966
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: out and hit Sam in the foot and she just

967
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: like walked it the side like no big deal. I'm like,

968
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 2: oh my god, to kill myself if that happened to me,

969
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: you know, And she thankfully ended up winning the match.

970
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: But like Sam's always been such a great sport, great sport,

971
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, Ash buddy, like all the Aussies. Let's well,

972
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: I mean, let's talk about neck. Do you say Nick

973
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: is a bad smart I think Nick gives respect. No,

974
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 2: I think Nick's a great sport. When it comes to

975
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: like giving points on things like that, like anything like that,

976
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 2: he would rather give the point away than That's where

977
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 2: he his locker room reputation is good with the guys,

978
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: which is why the guys. A lot of the guys

979
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: like him.

980
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Murray certainly his friendship.

981
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: Really, I mean I don't know bad. I mean liesel

982
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: Hubert takes the cake on probably a couple of things.

983
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 2: She had a double bounce at this strain open speaking

984
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: of not calling it on herself like that was all

985
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: time against Visnina and Mirza. I mean, people in the

986
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: locker room are losing their minds.

987
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the one that traveled around the internet, Ladeevitch,

988
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: that classic Weazel Huber double bound. It was a totally

989
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: safer Rova just slams the ball down. Sandy Marza is

990
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: like losing her by Oh I've heard stories about her.

991
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: Also the French Open where a ball was out and

992
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: she like totally shot a different mark, and you know

993
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 2: it was a huge point. I mean, she will never

994
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: definitely not go down as a good spot, There's no

995
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: question about that. Like just the bullshit she does. You

996
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: know one player that has to be a little bit

997
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 2: careful about what I've seen over the last little year.

998
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: And I really like her as a play and I

999
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: think she got such a big, bright fruit future. Katie McNally.

1000
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: Like in doubles, she stands in the service line, like

1001
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: in the middle of the court.

1002
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: And so.

1003
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: There's got your body in the receipt as long as

1004
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 2: you don't move when the player goes to serve. But

1005
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: then she moves away. But she's still doing these junior things.

1006
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: And you know that's Katie. If you're listening, you don't

1007
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: need to do that stuff. You're a great player. You're

1008
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: a very very good doubles player. Like you're going to

1009
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 2: win tournaments and Grand Slams in doubles, especially with Coco,

1010
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: the way you are as a team, you don't need

1011
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: to do that stuff. And it's just it's bullshit. She

1012
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: actually Nicole Mellickart hit her with a serf this year

1013
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: or I don't know if it hit her or she

1014
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: went for her on a serve during the Cincinnati tournament.

1015
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: So went for her because she was like, you know,

1016
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff is just that's that's stuff that

1017
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: you do in juniors, which you shouldn't do in juniors.

1018
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, you're got to cut that stuff out. That's

1019
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: the stuff that is not okay. And you in your

1020
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: your reputation is going to precede you, and it's not good.

1021
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: I want to end this by saying, as somebody who

1022
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: wants way more sportsman ship awards than I won trophies

1023
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: of tournament, it's.

1024
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: Good for you.

1025
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's something, but I do think like

1026
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: I enjoy playing tennis, and I thankfully play with a

1027
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: bunch of people who are like me, twenty years past

1028
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: their prime at best, and their prime wasn't even that good.

1029
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: But everybody's playing for the same reason, which is like, hey,

1030
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: I've just stolen an hour out of my day. I'm

1031
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: somewhere beautiful, I'm on the river yesterday playing at the

1032
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: ninety six Street clay courts, and like, why would I

1033
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: spend the time using it to like lose my mind

1034
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: and cheat somebody?

1035
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: You know what? I mean, like that's sort of for me.

1036
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 2: I would hope that the people out there that listen

1037
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: to our podcasts that play casual tennis don't cheat, Emma,

1038
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: because if you do, you really need to go to

1039
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: a psychologist if you're cheating and a million dollars. Now,

1040
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: if you get yourself in the you can understand how

1041
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: players will cheat if it's going to affect the rest

1042
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: of their lives. I can see that to a certain degree.

1043
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 2: You know, we've all sort of had those moments. But

1044
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: all the pros out there, all the three that listen

1045
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: to our podcast, if you don't cheat, like it's just

1046
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 2: your reputation that it will follow you everywhere. I mean,

1047
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: look at me. I'm still talking about players that I

1048
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 2: played against that have been retired for a number of years,

1049
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: and one of the things that I remember about them

1050
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: is how much they cheated. So don't be that person.

1051
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: Ope, Okay, and that's it for this episode of the

1052
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 3: Racket Magazine podcast.

1053
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,040
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1054
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,720
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1055
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,959
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1056
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,319
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1057
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,719
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1058
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