WEBVTT - Guilty on All Counts; Celebrity Real Estate Playboys Now Convicted Predators

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks, it is Tuesday, March tenth, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were real estates, superstars, playboys, and now a jury says

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<v Speaker 1>predators as well.

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<v Speaker 2>With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>The Alexander Brothers. This has been a salacious story, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people keeping an eye on but it and

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<v Speaker 2>to be quite no other way to put it. Real

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<v Speaker 2>estate stars to rapists is what this jury has said.

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<v Speaker 3>That is exactly what happened. These three brothers, the Alexander brothers.

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<v Speaker 3>Two of them are twins, thirty eight year old Orrin

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<v Speaker 3>and Alan and then thirty nine year old tw All

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<v Speaker 3>three men convicted of ten criminal counts. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>sex trafficking, sexual exploitation of a minor. Their parents were

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<v Speaker 3>in the court room watching all three of their sons convicted,

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<v Speaker 3>just hearing guilty, guilty, guilty, over and over in a

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<v Speaker 3>Manhattan courtroom yesterday. But yes, this is a massive fall

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<v Speaker 3>from the top of their game. Orn and Tow where

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<v Speaker 3>two of the nation's most successful real estate brokers they

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<v Speaker 3>did luxury homes, were talking. Their clients were Kim Kardashian,

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<v Speaker 3>Kanye West, Lindsay Lohan. So these were well known, prominent

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<v Speaker 3>men who were good looking, and yes, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>folks knew them as playboys, but it was apparently so

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<v Speaker 3>much more than that.

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<v Speaker 2>And this has been a very much in the headlines

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<v Speaker 2>over the past couple of years and has followed a

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<v Speaker 2>familiar pattern. Let me ask if this sounds familiar, high profile.

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<v Speaker 4>Rich playboys who start to get civil lawsuits.

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<v Speaker 2>Civil lawsuits last couple of years started popping up from

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<v Speaker 2>women saying they were sexually assaulted.

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<v Speaker 4>So what happens?

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<v Speaker 2>Federal authorities start looking into it, which leads to a

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<v Speaker 2>criminal case, which leads to this trial, which leads to convictions.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, it leads to them having Mark Agnifilo as

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<v Speaker 2>their attorney. So it sounds wild robes, but yes, their

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<v Speaker 2>attorney took on this case, which is absolutely follows a

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<v Speaker 2>very similar pattern to the one he defended with Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Diddy Kombs.

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<v Speaker 3>You know it's I was so interested because obviously Mark

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<v Speaker 3>Agnifilo knows how to try and defend at least these

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<v Speaker 3>types of cases. Because yes, there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>similar allegations, including videos and multiple victims.

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<v Speaker 5>In total, more than sixty.

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<v Speaker 3>Women told federal prosecutors that they were raped by one

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<v Speaker 3>or more of these brothers. Sixty women, eleven of them

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<v Speaker 3>testified during this five week trial. They talk about how

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<v Speaker 3>they met these brothers at nightclubs, at parties, even on

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<v Speaker 3>dating apps, and what would happen is these brothers, because

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<v Speaker 3>as you mentioned, rich Power had celebrities all around them,

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<v Speaker 3>they would invite these women to all expense paid getaways

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<v Speaker 3>to the Hamptons, to Aspen, to the Caribbean, to cruises,

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<v Speaker 3>to be on their ships. And so yes, these women

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<v Speaker 3>would accept. But what would happen is, they said they

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<v Speaker 3>would have the brothers would spike their drinks, they would

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<v Speaker 3>be incapacitated, and they would be attacked and in many cases,

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<v Speaker 3>according to prosecutors, they even showed one of these videos

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<v Speaker 3>to the jurors. The brothers would video themselves basically attacking

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<v Speaker 3>incapacitated women, women who were drugged to take photos of them.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was evidence, there were text messages, there were

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<v Speaker 3>captions on these photos that were just horrific to read,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was all played out for the jury.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a tough thing to defend.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the problem that agne Philo had here that

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<v Speaker 2>he maybe didn't necessarily have as badly in the Ditty case.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to just do direct comparisons. But we did

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<v Speaker 2>just go through this with Diddy. The problem was the

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<v Speaker 2>victims were not problematic in this case. He attacked a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people in the Diddy trial because they did

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<v Speaker 2>have some questionable backgrounds. Their motives were questionable as well.

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<v Speaker 2>When you have this many women come forward. Out of

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<v Speaker 2>the eleven you mentioned, I think only two of them

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<v Speaker 2>have civil suits, so you can't just say, hey, all

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<v Speaker 2>here for the money. I think even one of them

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<v Speaker 2>was the daughter of a billionaire, so you can't even

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<v Speaker 2>make an argument that she's doing some kind of cash grab.

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<v Speaker 2>But these were women also robes that weren't We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about drugging and raping and women not coming back and

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<v Speaker 2>coming back and coming back because they wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>a part of a lifestyle. This is a different, different situation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to get in front of this jury as

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<v Speaker 2>many This was not on television, so we dependent on

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<v Speaker 2>the reporting from people who were in the room robes.

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<v Speaker 4>This is not a situation where you can take.

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<v Speaker 2>Attack sixty women and say all of y'all are just

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<v Speaker 2>dumping on these guys. It was just you cannot impune

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<v Speaker 2>all of these women the way he was able to

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<v Speaker 2>in the.

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<v Speaker 5>Other case, you make such a good point.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of the women even said, because that was part

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<v Speaker 3>of what the defense tried to tell the jurors, saying,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a cash grab, this is a money grab.

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<v Speaker 3>These women just wanted to enjoy the lifestyle and then

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<v Speaker 3>they wanted to be paid because they regretted what they did,

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<v Speaker 3>and that oftentimes is what we hear from defense attorneys.

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<v Speaker 3>This is obviously a very specific case, but as you

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<v Speaker 3>pointed out, the two women, only two women who have

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<v Speaker 3>the civil lawsuits who testified basically said yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even want the money. I don't need the money, and

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<v Speaker 3>one of them, as the daughter of a billionaire, could

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<v Speaker 3>really back that up. But they were successful women who

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<v Speaker 3>weren't trying to just get money from the Alexander brothers.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted justice and so yes to actually, and several

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<v Speaker 3>of them put their names out there, put their faces

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<v Speaker 3>out there.

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<v Speaker 5>They weren't.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, oftentimes we have victims and certain folks, certainly

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<v Speaker 3>women who testify about being sexually assaulted, especially as miners,

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<v Speaker 3>their identities are protected. Several of the women said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>this is who I am. I don't want anything more

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<v Speaker 3>than justice in this case, and it looks like yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>they got it, and these brothers are now looking at

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<v Speaker 3>potentially going to jail for the rest of their lives.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just one of them is married. I believe

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<v Speaker 5>Alin is married.

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<v Speaker 3>So his wife and his parents in the courtroom listening

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<v Speaker 3>to all that testimony seeing the videos, I cannot imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are still young men there in their late

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<v Speaker 2>thirties now, but this behavior that they've been convicted of

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<v Speaker 2>now has gone back at least ten years more, almost

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years more than cases, two decades in some cases.

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<v Speaker 2>So these guys were really young guys at the time

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of money, a lot of power, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>they rove imagine a We've known guys like this in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, dudes running around influx of cash, twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>years old. We've run into these guys. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know these guys at all, but I know

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<v Speaker 2>these guys. You know what I mean exactly this idea,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying that all these guys are criminals,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm saying there's a lifestyle attached to young guys

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<v Speaker 2>having money, jet set.

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<v Speaker 4>Life, and that is what is described.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're in their twenties, they said this was an

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<v Speaker 2>open secret, is the way they put it. Yes, that everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>there's been rumblings about these guys for a decade plus.

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<v Speaker 3>And look, but here's the difference. Are you a womanizer

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<v Speaker 3>or are you a predator? And that was the question,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was what was at stake at trial, and

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Acnavillo and the defense team was trying to paint

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<v Speaker 3>a picture that yes, they are obnoxious, Yes they are womanizers,

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<v Speaker 3>Yes they are playboys, but all of this sex was consensual. However,

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<v Speaker 3>the drugs, the pictures, the videos, the testimony. There was

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<v Speaker 3>one bit of testimony that really stood out to me.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the victims, one of the women, testified that

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<v Speaker 3>she woke up and saw one of the brothers standing

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<v Speaker 3>over her naked and she said, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>have sex with you, and she said he laughed and

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<v Speaker 3>looked at.

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<v Speaker 5>Her and said you already did that?

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<v Speaker 4>Hit me? Well, look, Agnaphillo, I think we've seen him

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<v Speaker 4>do this before.

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<v Speaker 2>He Yeah, my client is a jerky not nice people, not.

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<v Speaker 4>A nice guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, did all this, but it doesn't mean he's

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<v Speaker 2>a criminal. Did all this stuff. He's a to your point,

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<v Speaker 2>same pattern and it just didn't work for them this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously they will appeal this. Did you see when is

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<v Speaker 2>the sentencing August?

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<v Speaker 5>It's in August.

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<v Speaker 3>So, but they are looking at spending the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>their lives behind bars. And look, we heard from both

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<v Speaker 3>sides who came out after the verdict talking about their

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<v Speaker 3>reaction to what the jury decided. But we heard from

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<v Speaker 3>the US attorney who prosecuted this case, and look, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think you can describe it any other way. He said,

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<v Speaker 3>these are chilling, reprehensible, unacceptable acts. And he talked about

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<v Speaker 3>the victims and he commended them for their courage. It

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<v Speaker 3>is courageous to sit there and to recount something that

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<v Speaker 3>is humiliating, that is devastating, to come forward and to testify.

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<v Speaker 3>But he said, they bravely overcame the pain of reliving

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<v Speaker 3>the abuses inflicted upon them and as a result, prevented

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<v Speaker 3>others from becoming victims.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's the point.

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<v Speaker 3>So, especially when we see cases like this where women

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<v Speaker 3>do come forward, and maybe they timidly came forward through

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<v Speaker 3>a few civil lawsuits, then were basically most certainly emboldened

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<v Speaker 3>by hearing other women come forward and tell their stories,

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<v Speaker 3>they also step forward, agreed to testify. And now you

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<v Speaker 3>have all three brothers convicted and most likely going to

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<v Speaker 3>prison for the rest of their lives. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 3>we will tell you what marc agnif Fillo had to

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<v Speaker 3>say to the waiting press after the verdicts.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ on

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<v Speaker 2>this Tuesday morning. Word came down yesterday, high profile, pretty scandalous.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you could say this was a tabloid heavy

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<v Speaker 2>story as well, but certainly a mainstream story. These superstar

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<v Speaker 2>real estate brothers, the Alexander brothers, have now been found

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<v Speaker 2>guilty on all charges they were facing in federal court

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<v Speaker 2>having to do with sex trafficking, sex with a minor,

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<v Speaker 2>sexual assault and what a lot of people say was

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<v Speaker 2>a pattern over the past two decades, almost of them

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<v Speaker 2>not just womanizing, but being sexual predators, drugging women and

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<v Speaker 2>sexually assaulting them. We're talking about sixty women, they say,

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<v Speaker 2>sixty women at least were victims of these guys. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>Margangnafello did what he does. He needs to take I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how he has time to do anything. The

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<v Speaker 2>cases he has robes, going from Diddy to Mangioni's he's

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<v Speaker 2>been handling this case. He doesn't have a moment. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what that dude's life is like.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, We think we're busy, you see him.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like weekly defending incredibly high profile clients with

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly complicated cases where their lives are literally on the line.

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<v Speaker 3>The pressure of that is hard to even get my

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<v Speaker 3>head around. But Mark Agnifilo came out after everything we

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<v Speaker 3>heard and all of what we certainly read about on

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<v Speaker 3>this salacious trial, and he told this reporters, we believe

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<v Speaker 3>in our client's innocence and we're not going to stop

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<v Speaker 3>fighting until we prevail, and we believe that one day

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<v Speaker 3>we will.

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<v Speaker 5>Prevail one day.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Well, Sentencing is August sixth, As we mentioned, all

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<v Speaker 3>three brothers facing life in prison for these convictions, and

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<v Speaker 3>they have been in prison, by the way, since they

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<v Speaker 3>were arrested in twenty twenty four in Miami, so they've

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<v Speaker 3>been behind bars for at least the past or rounding

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<v Speaker 3>up two years. But looks like they're not getting out

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<v Speaker 3>anytime soon, and certainly they will appeal, but it just

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<v Speaker 3>look Agnifhilo has his work cutout for him what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 3>But this case was just so heavily weighed in the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecution's favor when you see not just the number of

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<v Speaker 3>women coming forward, but as you pointed out, the women

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<v Speaker 3>who didn't have an agenda, there was no other They

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't poke enough holes or any holes. Truly in a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of these witnesses who came forward with unbelievable tales,

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<v Speaker 3>and to hear you just when we came back to

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of go over what these brothers were convicted

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<v Speaker 3>of doing for more than two decades, it makes me

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<v Speaker 3>feel sick as a woman to think that they were

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<v Speaker 3>able to continue this for.

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<v Speaker 5>Two years because it's scary to step forward.

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<v Speaker 3>That just shows you how frightened these women were or

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<v Speaker 3>how powerful these men seemed to not stop them before.

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<v Speaker 5>Two decades of this type.

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<v Speaker 3>Of abuse is just alarming, and hopefully these types of

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<v Speaker 3>cases prevent that type of thing from happening again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still happening. Money power pressure, I mean, how can

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<v Speaker 2>you That's what it is? Money power and the press. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess these women and how do you prove how

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<v Speaker 2>do you prove all these shapes because they didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>there was another victim out there when they became a victim,

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<v Speaker 2>right and they weren't even sure of what happened to them.

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<v Speaker 2>We have seen cases like this when it comes to drugs,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to money, when it comes to power,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to influence, when it comes to yes, fame,

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain degree, these guys had. What are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to come forward and say, I think this very

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<v Speaker 2>powerful rich guy with all these powerful rich friends raped me.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he did, and I think the police will

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<v Speaker 3>believe me.

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<v Speaker 5>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you know, it's just what you're right that is

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<v Speaker 3>such a good point. And look, I also think there's

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<v Speaker 3>the element of these women going on these luxury vacations.

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<v Speaker 3>You think somebody who could afford to fly me to

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<v Speaker 3>Aspen and to happy be around all these important, pretty

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<v Speaker 3>people who were all rich and famous. Maybe I imagined it.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I agreed to take the drugs. Maybe it's my

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<v Speaker 3>fault because I drank too much, or I agreed to

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<v Speaker 3>take this drug, or I.

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<v Speaker 5>Put myself in this position.

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<v Speaker 3>I chose to go on this yacht with I chose

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<v Speaker 3>to get on this plane with them. So yes, there

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<v Speaker 3>is a moment where you probably say that was on me.

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<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't have gone.

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<v Speaker 2>But what as a as a defense, maybe a couple

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<v Speaker 2>women you could question a couple women. Maybe you could say, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they just wanted the vacation. A couple victims were there hopes.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about eleven testified and sixty are the counts

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<v Speaker 2>for how many You can't say there are sixty women

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<v Speaker 2>in the world who just decided to go after these

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<v Speaker 2>guys because they got pissed because they didn't want a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with them. That is that's a tough defense road.

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<v Speaker 2>It is tough themount.

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<v Speaker 3>And in addition to know that some of these women,

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<v Speaker 3>at least two of them testified they were miners when

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<v Speaker 3>this happened, that is a whole other level of responsibility.

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<v Speaker 4>And those two points.

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<v Speaker 2>So the miner was the ugliest part of this trial

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<v Speaker 2>probably and the other part we were just talking about

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<v Speaker 2>who has the power, who is willing to what's the

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<v Speaker 2>lady's name from Tracy Tudor form million dollar listening. She

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<v Speaker 2>just came out in the past week or two also

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<v Speaker 2>with a lawsuit saying she was sexually assaulted. Again, this

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody you look at and you're not thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>she wants her payday with these study need money, were right,

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<v Speaker 2>So that kind of stuff. But the video robe that

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<v Speaker 2>they played this in court, they didn't play it for

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<v Speaker 2>the court room to see. But the jury saw it, Robes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the way they described this video, was it

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<v Speaker 2>or I think it was Orange in this video with

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<v Speaker 2>a seventeen year old, and I describe he sets up

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<v Speaker 2>the laptop with a certain way, with a certain angle,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you see him essentially lifting up someone's limp

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<v Speaker 2>legs because she's passed out.

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<v Speaker 3>How is that not a crime? I mean, right there,

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<v Speaker 3>right there, how is that anything but a guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Verd We we don't even need to well, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to keep talking about it's how do you defend seventeen?

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<v Speaker 4>That's just tough.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that moment, that video, that story, Robes,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, probably gets at the heart of just how

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<v Speaker 2>heinous some of the things we heard were.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and the hubris of those men for videoing their

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<v Speaker 3>own criminal acts and celebrating it on the video. It

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<v Speaker 3>was undeniable. The jury agreed, and yes, the Alexander brothers

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<v Speaker 3>almost certainly will be going to prison for the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of their life. And with that, everyone, thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>listening to us. We always appreciate you. I'm Amy Roboch

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<v Speaker 3>alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 5>Holmes. We will talk to you soon.