1 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Tuesday, March tenth, and they 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: were real estates, superstars, playboys, and now a jury says 3 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: predators as well. 4 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: With that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: The Alexander Brothers. This has been a salacious story, a 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: lot of people keeping an eye on but it and 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: to be quite no other way to put it. Real 8 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: estate stars to rapists is what this jury has said. 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 3: That is exactly what happened. These three brothers, the Alexander brothers. 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: Two of them are twins, thirty eight year old Orrin 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: and Alan and then thirty nine year old tw All 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: three men convicted of ten criminal counts. We're talking about 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: sex trafficking, sexual exploitation of a minor. Their parents were 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 3: in the court room watching all three of their sons convicted, 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 3: just hearing guilty, guilty, guilty, over and over in a 16 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 3: Manhattan courtroom yesterday. But yes, this is a massive fall 17 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: from the top of their game. Orn and Tow where 18 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 3: two of the nation's most successful real estate brokers they 19 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 3: did luxury homes, were talking. Their clients were Kim Kardashian, 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 3: Kanye West, Lindsay Lohan. So these were well known, prominent 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: men who were good looking, and yes, a lot of 22 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 3: folks knew them as playboys, but it was apparently so 23 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: much more than that. 24 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: And this has been a very much in the headlines 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: over the past couple of years and has followed a 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: familiar pattern. Let me ask if this sounds familiar, high profile. 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: Rich playboys who start to get civil lawsuits. 28 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: Civil lawsuits last couple of years started popping up from 29 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: women saying they were sexually assaulted. 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 4: So what happens? 31 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: Federal authorities start looking into it, which leads to a 32 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: criminal case, which leads to this trial, which leads to convictions. 33 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: And yes, it leads to them having Mark Agnifilo as 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: their attorney. So it sounds wild robes, but yes, their 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 2: attorney took on this case, which is absolutely follows a 36 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: very similar pattern to the one he defended with Sean 37 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: Diddy Kombs. 38 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 3: You know it's I was so interested because obviously Mark 39 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: Agnifilo knows how to try and defend at least these 40 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: types of cases. Because yes, there were a lot of 41 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: similar allegations, including videos and multiple victims. 42 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 5: In total, more than sixty. 43 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: Women told federal prosecutors that they were raped by one 44 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 3: or more of these brothers. Sixty women, eleven of them 45 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 3: testified during this five week trial. They talk about how 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 3: they met these brothers at nightclubs, at parties, even on 47 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: dating apps, and what would happen is these brothers, because 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, rich Power had celebrities all around them, 49 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 3: they would invite these women to all expense paid getaways 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 3: to the Hamptons, to Aspen, to the Caribbean, to cruises, 51 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: to be on their ships. And so yes, these women 52 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: would accept. But what would happen is, they said they 53 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 3: would have the brothers would spike their drinks, they would 54 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: be incapacitated, and they would be attacked and in many cases, 55 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 3: according to prosecutors, they even showed one of these videos 56 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 3: to the jurors. The brothers would video themselves basically attacking 57 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: incapacitated women, women who were drugged to take photos of them. 58 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: So there was evidence, there were text messages, there were 59 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: captions on these photos that were just horrific to read, 60 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 3: and this was all played out for the jury. 61 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 5: It's a tough thing to defend. 62 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: It is the problem that agne Philo had here that 63 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: he maybe didn't necessarily have as badly in the Ditty case. 64 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: I hate to just do direct comparisons. But we did 65 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: just go through this with Diddy. The problem was the 66 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: victims were not problematic in this case. He attacked a 67 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: lot of people in the Diddy trial because they did 68 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: have some questionable backgrounds. Their motives were questionable as well. 69 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: When you have this many women come forward. Out of 70 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 2: the eleven you mentioned, I think only two of them 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: have civil suits, so you can't just say, hey, all 72 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: here for the money. I think even one of them 73 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 2: was the daughter of a billionaire, so you can't even 74 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: make an argument that she's doing some kind of cash grab. 75 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: But these were women also robes that weren't We're talking 76 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 2: about drugging and raping and women not coming back and 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: coming back and coming back because they wanted to be 78 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: a part of a lifestyle. This is a different, different situation. 79 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: It's hard to get in front of this jury as 80 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: many This was not on television, so we dependent on 81 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: the reporting from people who were in the room robes. 82 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 4: This is not a situation where you can take. 83 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: Attack sixty women and say all of y'all are just 84 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: dumping on these guys. It was just you cannot impune 85 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: all of these women the way he was able to 86 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: in the. 87 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 5: Other case, you make such a good point. 88 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: Some of the women even said, because that was part 89 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 3: of what the defense tried to tell the jurors, saying, 90 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 3: this is a cash grab, this is a money grab. 91 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: These women just wanted to enjoy the lifestyle and then 92 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: they wanted to be paid because they regretted what they did, 93 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 3: and that oftentimes is what we hear from defense attorneys. 94 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 3: This is obviously a very specific case, but as you 95 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 3: pointed out, the two women, only two women who have 96 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 3: the civil lawsuits who testified basically said yeah, I don't 97 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: even want the money. I don't need the money, and 98 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: one of them, as the daughter of a billionaire, could 99 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 3: really back that up. But they were successful women who 100 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 3: weren't trying to just get money from the Alexander brothers. 101 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: They wanted justice and so yes to actually, and several 102 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 3: of them put their names out there, put their faces 103 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: out there. 104 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 5: They weren't. 105 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: You know, oftentimes we have victims and certain folks, certainly 106 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 3: women who testify about being sexually assaulted, especially as miners, 107 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: their identities are protected. Several of the women said, yeah, 108 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: this is who I am. I don't want anything more 109 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 3: than justice in this case, and it looks like yesterday 110 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 3: they got it, and these brothers are now looking at 111 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: potentially going to jail for the rest of their lives. 112 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 5: I was just one of them is married. I believe 113 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 5: Alin is married. 114 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: So his wife and his parents in the courtroom listening 115 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 3: to all that testimony seeing the videos, I cannot imagine. 116 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: And these are still young men there in their late 117 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: thirties now, but this behavior that they've been convicted of 118 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: now has gone back at least ten years more, almost 119 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: twenty years more than cases, two decades in some cases. 120 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: So these guys were really young guys at the time 121 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 2: with a lot of money, a lot of power, meaning 122 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: they rove imagine a We've known guys like this in 123 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: New York, dudes running around influx of cash, twenty five 124 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: years old. We've run into these guys. There was a 125 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: I don't know these guys at all, but I know 126 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: these guys. You know what I mean exactly this idea, 127 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that all these guys are criminals, 128 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: but I'm saying there's a lifestyle attached to young guys 129 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: having money, jet set. 130 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 4: Life, and that is what is described. 131 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: So they're in their twenties, they said this was an 132 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: open secret, is the way they put it. Yes, that everyone, 133 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 2: there's been rumblings about these guys for a decade plus. 134 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: And look, but here's the difference. Are you a womanizer 135 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: or are you a predator? And that was the question, 136 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: and that was what was at stake at trial, and 137 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: Mark Acnavillo and the defense team was trying to paint 138 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 3: a picture that yes, they are obnoxious, Yes they are womanizers, 139 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: Yes they are playboys, but all of this sex was consensual. However, 140 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 3: the drugs, the pictures, the videos, the testimony. There was 141 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: one bit of testimony that really stood out to me. 142 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: One of the victims, one of the women, testified that 143 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,119 Speaker 3: she woke up and saw one of the brothers standing 144 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: over her naked and she said, I don't want to 145 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: have sex with you, and she said he laughed and 146 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: looked at. 147 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 5: Her and said you already did that? 148 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 4: Hit me? Well, look, Agnaphillo, I think we've seen him 149 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: do this before. 150 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: He Yeah, my client is a jerky not nice people, not. 151 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 4: A nice guy. 152 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: But yes, did all this, but it doesn't mean he's 153 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: a criminal. Did all this stuff. He's a to your point, 154 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: same pattern and it just didn't work for them this time. 155 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: Obviously they will appeal this. Did you see when is 156 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: the sentencing August? 157 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 5: It's in August. 158 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: So, but they are looking at spending the rest of 159 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: their lives behind bars. And look, we heard from both 160 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: sides who came out after the verdict talking about their 161 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: reaction to what the jury decided. But we heard from 162 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 3: the US attorney who prosecuted this case, and look, I 163 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: don't think you can describe it any other way. He said, 164 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: these are chilling, reprehensible, unacceptable acts. And he talked about 165 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: the victims and he commended them for their courage. It 166 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: is courageous to sit there and to recount something that 167 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: is humiliating, that is devastating, to come forward and to testify. 168 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 3: But he said, they bravely overcame the pain of reliving 169 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 3: the abuses inflicted upon them and as a result, prevented 170 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: others from becoming victims. 171 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 5: And that's the point. 172 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: So, especially when we see cases like this where women 173 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 3: do come forward, and maybe they timidly came forward through 174 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 3: a few civil lawsuits, then were basically most certainly emboldened 175 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 3: by hearing other women come forward and tell their stories, 176 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: they also step forward, agreed to testify. And now you 177 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: have all three brothers convicted and most likely going to 178 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: prison for the rest of their lives. When we come back, 179 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: we will tell you what marc agnif Fillo had to 180 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 3: say to the waiting press after the verdicts. 181 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: All right, we continue here on Amy and TJ on 182 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 2: this Tuesday morning. Word came down yesterday, high profile, pretty scandalous. 183 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 2: I think you could say this was a tabloid heavy 184 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: story as well, but certainly a mainstream story. These superstar 185 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: real estate brothers, the Alexander brothers, have now been found 186 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: guilty on all charges they were facing in federal court 187 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: having to do with sex trafficking, sex with a minor, 188 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 2: sexual assault and what a lot of people say was 189 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: a pattern over the past two decades, almost of them 190 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: not just womanizing, but being sexual predators, drugging women and 191 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: sexually assaulting them. We're talking about sixty women, they say, 192 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: sixty women at least were victims of these guys. And look, 193 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 2: Margangnafello did what he does. He needs to take I 194 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: don't know how he has time to do anything. The 195 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: cases he has robes, going from Diddy to Mangioni's he's 196 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: been handling this case. He doesn't have a moment. I 197 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: don't know what that dude's life is like. 198 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 5: Right, We think we're busy, you see him. 199 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: It seems like weekly defending incredibly high profile clients with 200 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 3: incredibly complicated cases where their lives are literally on the line. 201 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: The pressure of that is hard to even get my 202 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: head around. But Mark Agnifilo came out after everything we 203 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: heard and all of what we certainly read about on 204 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 3: this salacious trial, and he told this reporters, we believe 205 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: in our client's innocence and we're not going to stop 206 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: fighting until we prevail, and we believe that one day 207 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: we will. 208 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 5: Prevail one day. 209 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, Sentencing is August sixth, As we mentioned, all 210 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 3: three brothers facing life in prison for these convictions, and 211 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: they have been in prison, by the way, since they 212 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 3: were arrested in twenty twenty four in Miami, so they've 213 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: been behind bars for at least the past or rounding 214 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 3: up two years. But looks like they're not getting out 215 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: anytime soon, and certainly they will appeal, but it just 216 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 3: look Agnifhilo has his work cutout for him what he's doing. 217 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 3: But this case was just so heavily weighed in the 218 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: prosecution's favor when you see not just the number of 219 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: women coming forward, but as you pointed out, the women 220 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 3: who didn't have an agenda, there was no other They 221 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 3: couldn't poke enough holes or any holes. Truly in a 222 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: lot of these witnesses who came forward with unbelievable tales, 223 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: and to hear you just when we came back to 224 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 3: just kind of go over what these brothers were convicted 225 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: of doing for more than two decades, it makes me 226 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: feel sick as a woman to think that they were 227 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 3: able to continue this for. 228 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 5: Two years because it's scary to step forward. 229 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: That just shows you how frightened these women were or 230 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 3: how powerful these men seemed to not stop them before. 231 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 5: Two decades of this type. 232 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: Of abuse is just alarming, and hopefully these types of 233 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: cases prevent that type of thing from happening again. 234 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 2: It's still happening. Money power pressure, I mean, how can 235 00:12:55,400 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: you That's what it is? Money power and the press. Sure, 236 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: I guess these women and how do you prove how 237 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: do you prove all these shapes because they didn't know 238 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: there was another victim out there when they became a victim, 239 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 2: right and they weren't even sure of what happened to them. 240 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: We have seen cases like this when it comes to drugs, 241 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: when it comes to money, when it comes to power, 242 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: when it comes to influence, when it comes to yes, fame, 243 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: to a certain degree, these guys had. What are you 244 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: going to come forward and say, I think this very 245 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: powerful rich guy with all these powerful rich friends raped me. 246 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: I think he did, and I think the police will 247 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 3: believe me. 248 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 5: Probably not. 249 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 3: No, you know, it's just what you're right that is 250 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 3: such a good point. And look, I also think there's 251 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: the element of these women going on these luxury vacations. 252 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: You think somebody who could afford to fly me to 253 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: Aspen and to happy be around all these important, pretty 254 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 3: people who were all rich and famous. Maybe I imagined it. 255 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: Maybe I agreed to take the drugs. Maybe it's my 256 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: fault because I drank too much, or I agreed to 257 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 3: take this drug, or I. 258 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 5: Put myself in this position. 259 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: I chose to go on this yacht with I chose 260 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: to get on this plane with them. So yes, there 261 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 3: is a moment where you probably say that was on me. 262 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: I shouldn't have gone. 263 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: But what as a as a defense, maybe a couple 264 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: women you could question a couple women. Maybe you could say, yes, 265 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: they just wanted the vacation. A couple victims were there hopes. 266 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: We're talking about eleven testified and sixty are the counts 267 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: for how many You can't say there are sixty women 268 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: in the world who just decided to go after these 269 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: guys because they got pissed because they didn't want a 270 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: relationship with them. That is that's a tough defense road. 271 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: It is tough themount. 272 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 3: And in addition to know that some of these women, 273 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: at least two of them testified they were miners when 274 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: this happened, that is a whole other level of responsibility. 275 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 4: And those two points. 276 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: So the miner was the ugliest part of this trial 277 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: probably and the other part we were just talking about 278 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: who has the power, who is willing to what's the 279 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: lady's name from Tracy Tudor form million dollar listening. She 280 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: just came out in the past week or two also 281 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: with a lawsuit saying she was sexually assaulted. Again, this 282 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: is somebody you look at and you're not thinking, Okay, 283 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: she wants her payday with these study need money, were right, 284 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: So that kind of stuff. But the video robe that 285 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: they played this in court, they didn't play it for 286 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: the court room to see. But the jury saw it, Robes. 287 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: This is the way they described this video, was it 288 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: or I think it was Orange in this video with 289 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: a seventeen year old, and I describe he sets up 290 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: the laptop with a certain way, with a certain angle, 291 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: and then you see him essentially lifting up someone's limp 292 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: legs because she's passed out. 293 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 3: How is that not a crime? I mean, right there, 294 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: right there, how is that anything but a guilty. 295 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: Verd We we don't even need to well, we're going 296 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: to keep talking about it's how do you defend seventeen? 297 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 4: That's just tough. 298 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: And I think that moment, that video, that story, Robes, 299 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 2: I guess, probably gets at the heart of just how 300 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: heinous some of the things we heard were. 301 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: Yes, and the hubris of those men for videoing their 302 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: own criminal acts and celebrating it on the video. It 303 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 3: was undeniable. The jury agreed, and yes, the Alexander brothers 304 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: almost certainly will be going to prison for the rest 305 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: of their life. And with that, everyone, thank you for 306 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 3: listening to us. We always appreciate you. I'm Amy Roboch 307 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: alongside TJ. 308 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 5: Holmes. We will talk to you soon.