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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of My Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio Everything. So don't don't welcome back to the Worst

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Speaker 1: Year Ever. Uh. We are recording this on a day

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Speaker 1: where the price of oil has turned negative, which, if

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Speaker 1: I understand economics right, means that humanity has finally discovered

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Speaker 1: free perpetual energy. So congratulations everyone, We didn't did it.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations to you for for getting that in there, that reference.

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Speaker 1: We have a whole other episode planned. But Robert was like, ah,

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Speaker 1: we gotta figure out how to mention the oil thing,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't. He really did it. I just felt

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Speaker 1: like we had to acknowledge that the price of oil

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Speaker 1: has inverted. Thus like glitching glitching the Mario map that

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Speaker 1: is capitalism and sending the oil. It's just such a

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Speaker 1: weird year. Oh no, broke April. Yeah, well, you know

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Speaker 1: we've all learned our lesson. I bought a bunch of

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Speaker 1: oil yesterday, but that you should have known. I I

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Speaker 1: tell you every year, wait till May to buy your

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Speaker 1: your barrels of oil. I know you say it constantly.

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Speaker 1: You you call me in the middle of the night

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Speaker 1: and you say that into my ear, and it's just

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Speaker 1: like you say it so much it's like white noise now,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's actually the only way

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Speaker 1: you can sleep now. But that's a separate discussion. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the the possibly astro turfed, possibly authentic, probably

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Speaker 1: actually a mix of the two series of right wing

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him pro coronavirus rallies. The people hosting

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Speaker 1: them would call them, uh, anti social distancing or pro

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Speaker 1: opening up the economy protests. Um, Katie, you've prepared a

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Speaker 1: summary of kind of what's gone down and what the

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Speaker 1: action the president and his party's responses have been. So

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Speaker 1: I'm going to hand things over to you to to

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Speaker 1: take us through that first you, I will begrudgingly take

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Speaker 1: that baton. Um. Yeah, it's a nightmare. It's really such

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Speaker 1: a bomber. These protests right now. They're not just being

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Speaker 1: fueled by Trump's encouragements of them, which they are and

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Speaker 1: which we will get into in a second here, but

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Speaker 1: it's also kind of by his contradictory messaging. Uh. Last Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: his team was in the process of drafting new guidelines

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Speaker 1: despite you know, public health officials urging people to stay

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Speaker 1: he was backtracking and saying that governors will have the

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Speaker 1: power to make those decisions in their states. But these

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Speaker 1: protests have been going on all last week. In Idaho,

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Speaker 1: anti get An activists were encouraging gatherings for Easter. Conservative

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Speaker 1: activists in Oklahoma had a get back to Work rally

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Speaker 1: at their state capital last Wednesday. Last Monday, protesters gathered

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Speaker 1: say that again. The don't tread on me flags, you know,

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Speaker 1: associated with the Tea Party, which is another thing that

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Speaker 1: we're going to get into later. We've also seen protests

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Speaker 1: in North Carolina, here in California and Huntington Beach, Texas.

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Speaker 1: The list goes on. Also in Kentucky, after a week

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Speaker 1: to date, which is very cool. You can read into

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Speaker 1: that however you want to. UM. On Wednesday, hundreds of

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Speaker 1: protesters gathered in Michigan state capital, blocking an entrance to

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Speaker 1: a hospital, many of them waving Trump banners. In our

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Speaker 1: hospitals something we need right now. They are in some

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Speaker 1: way during a pandemic. They are indeed very very important.

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Speaker 1: What about in general also in general as well, but

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Speaker 1: specifically during this crisis. Yeah, they're pretty important. I'd say

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Speaker 1: that's just one woman's opinion. Though. What was this? This

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Speaker 1: this is really interesting because either these are the same

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Speaker 1: They're very disturbing, angry, not necessarily violent, but like kind

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Speaker 1: the aerial view you see they are spread out. Still

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Speaker 1: probably not the safest thing to be doing, but you know,

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Speaker 1: you're actually showing us that you you don't give a

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Speaker 1: funk about what's literally happening. You cannot deny what's happening,

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Speaker 1: want to. I don't think they deserve their freedom, but

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Speaker 1: if they want their freedom, quote unquote, then show that

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Speaker 1: I mentioned Trump's contradictory messaging. Uh, let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: he specifically called out states with democratic governors because a

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Speaker 1: strict social distancing restrictions. He also lashed out at Virginia,

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Speaker 1: A Politico Morning Consult poll that was taken last week

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Speaker 1: because people somebody found out that he was behind this

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Speaker 1: um and and publicize that without noting that like, actually,

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Speaker 1: with them. But this is also so you have one

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Speaker 1: group of right wing, at least one group and probably

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of members nationwide and that have been

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Speaker 1: at least involved in the creation of several real protests,

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Speaker 1: although they didn't start the protest movement that does seem

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Speaker 1: to have been in part astro turf. But you also

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Speaker 1: up a huge number of domains, this liberal in order

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Speaker 1: to try to stop the spread of disinformation. So all

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Speaker 1: of these things are happening at once. Um is so complicated,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it is very difficult to get my head

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Speaker 1: around what the funk is happening right now. But what

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Speaker 1: is clear to say is that thousands of Americans in

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Speaker 1: a number of different states have turned out, many of

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Speaker 1: them with firearms, to protest against social distancing and to

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Speaker 1: in some cases express their their willingness to do violence.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to clarify in case this was misinterpreted earlier.

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Speaker 1: When I was saying that the way that Fox News

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Speaker 1: it seem bigger than it really is. I wasn't diminishing

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Speaker 1: the fact that this is a very real thing that's

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Speaker 1: happening with tons of people uh jumping on board. Just like, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to understand the scale of what it is

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Speaker 1: that we're working with, and it's you know, everybody scared

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Speaker 1: bit baffled by all this, to be honest, and like

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Speaker 1: it's the things that I think are important. Is number one,

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Speaker 1: most Americans are not on board protests like these, um.

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Speaker 1: And it is possible that this it is possible that

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Speaker 1: the ground way. But at the same time, we have

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Speaker 1: seen it in some places. There are some states where

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Speaker 1: these rallies have been minimal and basically pointless and shown

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Speaker 1: that in those states there's very little support for this

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Speaker 1: angry people who are getting increasingly organized, and that is

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Speaker 1: they also have, I mean, for whatever the reason and

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Speaker 1: should do it um. So I think to even too,

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Speaker 1: even if there are fewer people then should be a concern.

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Speaker 1: The ecosystem says that we should be concerned, and like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, dismissed, people dismissed. So many things like

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Speaker 1: this that end up growing because they're dismissed. Literally, the

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Speaker 1: we are, and you mean, honestly, it just keeps happening

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Speaker 1: things that if things get dismissed, and then they happen yah.

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Speaker 1: And it's the kind of thing people are saying, like, like,

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Speaker 1: at these events. They're not a real protest. This isn't

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Speaker 1: a real thing to be concerned about. The news should

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Speaker 1: stop covering it. And I pointed out, well, actually people

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Speaker 1: something to ignore. That is a real story that is significant.

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Speaker 1: And the response was like, people is only like, you know,

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Speaker 1: horrible war. And that is if things go really badly.

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Speaker 1: The fact that these groups in a couple of states

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Speaker 1: can pull together a thousand, two thousand armed people and

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter if millions of people don't agree

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Speaker 1: at the right time. So this is not something I

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Speaker 1: think can be ignored. And again, the president is their cheerleader.

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Speaker 1: Right now. Yeah. Yeah, we see that reaction all the

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Speaker 1: time with stuff like this, and even like his the

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Speaker 1: Charlottesville rallies, like it's just it's just like people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well then what yep, yeah, then what where does it

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Speaker 1: go from there? So, Cody, you have some stuff about

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Speaker 1: saying this is just AstroTurf ignore it or maybe making

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Speaker 1: totally an AstroTurf thing, which you're going to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and then the two thousand ten midterm elections happened. Should

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Speaker 1: we define AstroTurf for people? Yeah, I'm gonna hand it

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Speaker 1: over to Cody now. Um. Yeah. So you'll see a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of Democratic leaders these days, especially

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Speaker 1: referred to like grassroots movements. It's the opposite of grassroots movements.

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Speaker 1: A grassroots movement is like a naturally occurring movement of

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Speaker 1: And then an aster turf is basically a fake movement.

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Speaker 1: It's fake grass. Um. It's often you know, it'll be

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Speaker 1: whether it's paying people to protest um or influencing people

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Speaker 1: necessarily be a part of otherwise. Um. I mean Donald

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Speaker 1: he was running for president, things like that. So I

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Speaker 1: guess to really get into this, let me take you

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Speaker 1: back a few couple several years. Don't back in time?

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Speaker 1: Is there's some way that we can be there's some

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Speaker 1: way that we might uh that we might help our

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Speaker 1: audience mentally go back in time. If I can't believe

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Speaker 1: if we continuing bits, this is the bit. It's not

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Speaker 1: a little bit of mechanism, a machine in order that

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Speaker 1: where do exist? How would it sound, Katie take it away?

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Speaker 1: Just do it do do do do do do do

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Speaker 1: do do auditioning a new bit that's disgusting. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: you know how all those protests, um, like all protests

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Speaker 1: are funded and created by George Soros, our boss, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and how everyone like has like Trump syndrome. We do

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Speaker 1: call him that that's how he signs the checks that

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Speaker 1: we all get in cash. You know how everyone has

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Speaker 1: trumped arrangement syndrome these days. You know, like people protested

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Speaker 1: him in his first month of office. Grow up, grow

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Speaker 1: up people anyway. In February of two thousand nine, Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama's first full month in office, he signed a stimulus

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Speaker 1: That same month, in Seattle, Kelly Carender, known online as

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Speaker 1: Liberty Bell b E L L e H on her

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Speaker 1: blog Redistributing Knowledge, organized the first tea party protest against

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Speaker 1: government spending. People were in attendance. A few days later,

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Speaker 1: Rick Santelli ranted about government spending on C n B C,

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Speaker 1: calling for a Chicago tea party. The clip went viral,

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Speaker 1: Thousands of people protested in cities across America on these

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Speaker 1: general ideas. Fox News got on board. Specifically known full

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Speaker 1: of ship man Glenn Beck got really on board um.

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Speaker 1: Another prominent figure early on was conservative blogger Michelle Malkin.

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Speaker 1: Listeners may be familiar with her semi recent activity amidst

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Speaker 1: the alt right, or her support of Holocaust denier and

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Speaker 1: basically a Nazi Nick Fuentes. Um. But the soft and

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Speaker 1: eventually hard racism of the Tea Party movement or heck,

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Speaker 1: you know what's going on now is really what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about. Yet, back to the protests was which continued

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Speaker 1: This culminator in September Taxpayer March on Washington, the Coux

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Speaker 1: uh tax derangement syndrome one might call it anyway. At

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Speaker 1: pumping up the crowd for footage they were going to

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Speaker 1: use later. The producer was disciplined and Fox News would uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, never make a mistake like that. Again. They

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Speaker 1: Tea Party, which is not a party, pivoted from protesting

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Speaker 1: Ron Paul, and Mike Lee. Those are just a few

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Speaker 1: of them. Now, Cody, the fact that Astro turf to

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Speaker 1: protests uh started by wealthy GOP tied individuals were behind

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Speaker 1: the start of the Tea Party protests. That means that

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Speaker 1: none of those individuals you've listed have gone on to

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about, so

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Speaker 1: These this or this organic movement that happened naturally. Um,

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Speaker 1: that was just silly. Uh, they supported Ted Cruise. I

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Speaker 1: google right now. I'm sorry, this is so beside the point,

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Speaker 1: but I just remembered that story I read about. I

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Speaker 1: both of you anymore. Yes, I want to hear more

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Speaker 1: about the thing you prepared. Oh well, okay, So I

644
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: mean we've gone over the the irrelevant people that have

645
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Speaker 1: no power today, that we're supported by this movement that

646
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: was completely organic and natural and came from popular descent. Um.

647
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: And we could actually we could talk about the fringe

648
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Speaker 1: elements of the proto tests over those years, um, which

649
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: fringe being civility speak for racist and h fucked up

650
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: stuff that people at the protests do not want to acknowledge. Uh,

651
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: that might be underlying elements of the movement. But this

652
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: episode isn't actually about the Tea Party. Um. You know,

653
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: there's so much to say about the effect the movement

654
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: has had on our politics, how they pulled the country

655
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: further right while claiming Obama's an evil socialist, and how

656
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 1: it was the last big transitional period and path to

657
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Speaker 1: our current president. How the first national convention of the

658
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: common Man's Tea Party had Sarah Palin speaking for a

659
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars with tickets costing five forty seven dollars,

660
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Speaker 1: and about how every single person who participated in the

661
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: Tea Party movement seems to like forget about it all

662
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: these days. But again, this isn't about the Tea Party.

663
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Speaker 1: It's the little segment about the origins of the Tea Party,

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Speaker 1: a completely organic, grassroots movement for the people the end.

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Speaker 1: Oh also, so wait, sorry, so there's this organization from

666
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Speaker 1: the nineties called Citizens for a Sound Economy. It's the

667
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: precursor to modern think tanks and orgers like Americans for

668
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: Prosperity and Freedom Works. You might recognize those names as

669
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Speaker 1: producers of propaganda, like with our good friend Dennis Praeger,

670
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: dean of Praguer University, which, according to its website, is

671
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Speaker 1: not an accredited university. You also might recognize all of

672
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Speaker 1: these organizations as being funded by pals of the cast,

673
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Speaker 1: the Coke Brothers of Coke Industries, the second largest privately

674
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Speaker 1: owned company in the world. Anyway. In sixteen, Time magazine

675
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: published an excerpt from Jim Nesbit's book Poison Tea, How

676
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: big Oil and big Tobacco invented the Tea Party and

677
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: captured the GOP. It describes a meeting he had when

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Speaker 1: he was consulting for Citizens for a Sound Economy, which

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Speaker 1: again later became Americans for Prosperity. The meeting was also

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Speaker 1: attended by Philip Morris. Quote. The concept that c SE

681
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Speaker 1: put on the conference table, which was quickly taken up

682
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Speaker 1: by the Philip Morris staff, was a bit shocking to me.

683
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Speaker 1: They proposed an unholy allied aiance, Philip Morris money commingled

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Speaker 1: with Coke money to create anti tax front groups in

685
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Speaker 1: a handful of states that would battle any tax that moved.

686
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Speaker 1: It would make no difference what kind of tax. The

687
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: front groups could battle cigarette excise taxes in the Northeast

688
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: and refined oil fees at the coasts. Any tax for

689
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Speaker 1: any purpose was bad, and these front groups would tackle

690
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Speaker 1: them all. With Philip Morris and the Cokes behind them,

691
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Speaker 1: it made good business sense and good political sense as well.

692
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Speaker 1: You could relabel just about anything as a tax, and

693
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: heaven knows, the American public hates taxes. This at its

694
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Speaker 1: core was the beginning of the American tea Party revolt

695
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: against the power of the government to pay for its programs.

696
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Speaker 1: They could recruit average citizens from a variety of ideological

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Speaker 1: groups to their cause. They would work side by side

698
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Speaker 1: with corporate directed workers and employees providing real boots on

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Speaker 1: the ground when enough activists weren't readily available, and no

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Speaker 1: one would be the wiser or even care that these

701
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Speaker 1: grassroots quotes anti tax groups would be jointly created and

702
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Speaker 1: funded by the largest private oil company and the largest

703
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Speaker 1: cigarette company in the world. So much like these protests,

704
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Speaker 1: or at least somewhat it's interesting to me at least

705
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: that they're all framed as like we're the little guy,

706
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Speaker 1: like we're real America, we're being trampled on by the government.

707
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Speaker 1: But it's mostly like business owners and landlords pushing it.

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Speaker 1: So not a lot of people know who rich Fink is.

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Speaker 1: You know who Rich Fink is? No, Rich Fink maybe

710
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Speaker 1: the most apply named person on the planet name unbelievable. UM.

711
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Speaker 1: He's a basically it's Charles Coke's political advisor. As Nesbitt

712
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: points out, over the years, Rich Fink UM has talked

713
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Speaker 1: regularly about their basically their plan to sort of take

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Speaker 1: over one of the two national political parties UM from

715
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Speaker 1: the outside in place more libertarian free market principles in

716
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: this place. UM and these ideas are outlined in this book.

717
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Being an extensive academic now, so I'm gonna I'm gonna

718
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: read these off, and I think listeners of this podcast,

719
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: Katie and Mis podcast, Robert's other podcasts will be familiar

720
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Speaker 1: I think with the mechanisms we're talking about here, familiarity

721
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: is comforting. In this time, it is very comforting. This

722
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: is making me feel really great. Uh, an extensive academic

723
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: network to support it intellectually, policy networks in every state

724
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: to draw on that intellectual underpinning from hundreds of American universities,

725
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: a true political grassroots alliance that extended to all of

726
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Speaker 1: those state capitals and work closely with the academic and

727
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Speaker 1: policy network. A propaganda arm that could bring tightly controlled

728
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: messaging and narratives to the four in the state networks

729
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: in a way that looked like independent journalism. And a

730
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: national coordinate in group that could enforce discipline in what

731
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: would otherwise be a chaotic, unruly, wildly disconnected political network

732
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Speaker 1: that ran the gamut from the Patriot movement to American exceptionalism.

733
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Speaker 1: So at pro of nothing, I'm just gonna say some

734
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: words now, the Sam Adams Alliance, American Enterprise Institute, the

735
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Speaker 1: Franklin Center for Government and Policy Integrity, the State Policy Network,

736
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Speaker 1: Americans for Prosperity, Pragger University, Job Creators Network, Get Government

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Speaker 1: off our Back. Enough is enough, Citizens against regressive taxation,

738
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Speaker 1: learn liberty, freedom works, and so on. I could go

739
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: on and on and on. Anyway, I'm not sure why

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Speaker 1: I brought all of that up. Um. As Michelle Malkin

741
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: told Fox News in twenty uh in two thousand nine,

742
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: this is real. These people are here and they're here

743
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: to stay. So like two out of three is pretty

744
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: good the end okay? On course, so to be fair

745
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: um and balanced? Actually uh. In response to this, and

746
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 1: the Coke Foundation put forth a statement saying no funding

747
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: has been provided by Coke Companies, the Coke Foundation, or

748
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: Charles Coke or David Coke specifically to support the tea parties.

749
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:21,240
Speaker 1: So case closed. Huh. Yeah. So that's just a brief

750
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: little uh rundown of the perception I think of the

751
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: Tea Party early on, um, the inception of that general movement,

752
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: which was in place years before it even happened, um,

753
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: and the results of that a astro turf movement, uh,

754
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: sort of presented as with elements of grassroots movements. Uh,

755
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: and here we have Ted Cruz and Mike Pence. Yea yea.

756
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Speaker 1: Do we want to end this with like some sort

757
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: of like actionable item for how to uh how to

758
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: do the opposite of what these people are doing? Yeah,

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00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the only so one of so

760
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 1: there's there's a couple of things action wise. Number one,

761
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: it is a matter of self defense to not pretend

762
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: this is nothing, because it's not nothing. This is significant. Um.

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00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: One of the things that people should be doing and

764
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 1: should be continuing to do, is to organize in your

765
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 1: communities because if something like what I talked about happening

766
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: in Rocca happens in your area. I don't I don't

767
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: see this being a nationwide thing, but I think, especially

768
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: if things get a lot worse, this is a threat

769
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: people as something people might need to consider. And being

770
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Speaker 1: organized on a local level and knowing people and having

771
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: groups that are used to working together to to do stuff,

772
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: even as simple as just providing food to the disadvantage

773
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: will be UM an advantage to you. There are more

774
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: of us than there are of them. This is a

775
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: small movement, but if the majority of us are not

776
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: organized enough to counterman them Um, then they might get

777
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: what they want anyway, So it is it is worth

778
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: having people continue to organize. There's a recent a podcast

779
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: that I won't name, but that's name rhymes with slop

780
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: mo flap spouse Um made some statements about a kind

781
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Speaker 1: of quasi anarchist activist group in the United States called

782
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Speaker 1: Food Not Bombs, which provides food and not bombs in

783
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Speaker 1: a number of Americans. There's not a lot of central Yeah,

784
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different Food not Bombs groups, and

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00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: they focus on providing people who don't have enough food

786
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Speaker 1: with what they need, which is food and not bombs.

787
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: And the comment they made was essentially that like these

788
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: groups weren't super useful because they weren't building power. And

789
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: there's a there's a valid criticism to be made about

790
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: groups in the left that like focus on direct action

791
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: like this as opposed to focusing on electoral action. That's

792
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: certainly a conversation that should be had. But I think

793
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: people are making a mistake when they don't when they

794
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: act as if providing food and other necessities to people

795
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Speaker 1: is not a form of power, because especially when things

796
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: are bad, the folks who have are used to gathering

797
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: and providing these things and organizing have power, UM because

798
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: they've been doing something out of empathy and goodness instead

799
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: of power. And they also have networks that are organized

800
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: that are used to providing things people need. And when

801
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: you have things people need and get them to them

802
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: and you have a sort of power that is a

803
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, and they trust you to Yeah. So

804
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: that is the kind of power people should be continuing

805
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: to build. And if there is not something like that

806
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: in your local area, try to build it. UM. Look

807
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: into groups like Food Not Bombs. Volunteer for them if

808
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 1: they have something near you. Look into Mutual Aid disaster

809
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: really volunteer if they are near you, Water not and

810
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: along tho. Just a sort of piggyback. I mean that

811
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: was directed a lot of people. A lot of our

812
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: listeners are living in states and communities that might be

813
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: more directly impacted by this shore. But it's still important

814
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: for all of us to be paying attention to it,

815
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: especially with everything else that's going on UM as as

816
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: a support system, as just to not be surprised if

817
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: it becomes something bigger than what it is now. You know,

818
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: that's not fearmongering, that's practicality. Yeah, Yeah, it's practicality. So

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Speaker 1: I am, I don't think we should be forming counter protests.

820
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: You will notice UM antifa quote unquote has not been

821
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: showing up at these right wing marches because fundamentally, the

822
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: vast majority of the folks who are in these kind

823
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: of anti fascist organizations don't want to make a pandemic

824
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: worse UM because because they've already got the masks. Yeah,

825
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: they it's it's so. Yeah. If you know another place

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Speaker 1: you might look is if there are local groups of

827
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Speaker 1: anti fascists who have been organizing. You know what. The

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Speaker 1: reason the Door Brothers are doing what they're doing and

829
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: creating all these groups is that there is value, UM,

830
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Speaker 1: but a financial value and a political value and a

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Speaker 1: practical value in being able to communicate to a large

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Speaker 1: number of UM people who believes broadly similar things that

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00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: you do. And uh, yeah, we should be doing that.

834
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Speaker 1: More positive note to end on. Yeah, let's end on

835
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Speaker 1: that slightly positive note. Um. Also, Ammo prices have gone

836
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Speaker 1: back down, although they searched a bit after everyone got refunds,

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Speaker 1: So you know, just making a note of that too.

838
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: Go fill up your car with gas. You'll sell your

839
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: Ammo by oil. Yeah, very simple The clear takeaway from

840
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: today is that oil is the thing to invest in.

841
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: No negative right by negative. Have the oil companies pay

842
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: you to take oil from them and then sell the

843
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: oil to other people. I love the economy and understanding.

844
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: It's so good. I'm gonna have backyard oil parties this summer.

845
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: It's going to be sick. We can't hang out inside,

846
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: but my backyard is going to be one big like

847
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 1: fire is going to be sick. My boss at Belling

848
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Speaker 1: Cat is like, can I pour oil down my my

849
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Speaker 1: sink drain? I know I can't do that with cooking oil,

850
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Speaker 1: but I can't cook with fuel oil, so it seems

851
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: like I should be able to pour it down the sink.

852
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: So the logic works. Yeah, I'm waiting for the uh,

853
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: like that crowd of like Nike did this thing. So

854
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna burn my Nikes but with oil and just

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Speaker 1: try to try to burn the oil. Just oil feels

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Speaker 1: lit on fire. Yeah, I can't believe it's only April.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we are all going to learn at Saddam

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Speaker 1: Hussein was way ahead of his time with living lighting World.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying that for years. It was market regulation.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. He knew, he knew. We should have listened

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Speaker 1: to Saddam Hussey say every week. Well, hindsight is in

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Speaker 1: the episode. Immediately, Daniel, that's the line. Everything, everything, so Dud.

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