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Speaker 8: It is Thursday, November ninth, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen,
Speaker 8: episode number sixty seven.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 8: We're live from SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star and
Speaker 8: today we're gonna get you guys ready. Continue to get
Speaker 8: you guys ready for Cowboys versus Giants. We'll talk about
Speaker 8: the Giants defense versus the Cowboys offense. We got some
Speaker 8: injury updates that we will get to here in.
Speaker 4: Just a moment.
Speaker 8: It's some interesting comments by Mike McCarthy regarding Yrence Smith.
Speaker 8: Will talk about that as well, real quick, if you
Speaker 8: guys will indulge me here at the beginning the show,
Speaker 8: I just want to take a chance to wish a
Speaker 8: very happy birthday to very special woman in my life,
Speaker 8: my mommy.
Speaker 4: Heym Happy birthday, to my mom.
Speaker 8: I know she's listening because as your mom does, Brian,
Speaker 8: I know if there's only one that's going to listen
Speaker 8: to show.
Speaker 4: My mom is listening every single day.
Speaker 8: And as she told me this morning, she was like,
Speaker 8: I really don't care what anybody else has to say.
Speaker 4: I'm just listening to see my baby.
Speaker 8: So hey, mom, happy birthday, Happy birthday.
Speaker 4: All right, So here we go. Let's get in.
Speaker 8: Let's talk about the injury report. There were four guys
Speaker 8: on the injury report.
Speaker 9: Real quick. Since she's listening, she's done a good job
Speaker 9: on her son, teaching him how to be a gentleman.
Speaker 9: I will say this one thing that Derek does every
Speaker 9: single time to any female. He will open the door
Speaker 9: and let you walk and go in first. So total gentleman.
Speaker 9: So good job.
Speaker 10: Even face of the daily adversity he gets from his
Speaker 10: left side, he remains staunch a gentleman.
Speaker 8: My mom taught me well, no doubt about it. All right,
Speaker 8: So let's jump in. Let's talk about these injuries. There
Speaker 8: were four guys on the injury report. You have Marquise
Speaker 8: Bell with a calf injury, also Diggie Zoo with a
Speaker 8: hamstring injury. Both of them were limited. Yren Smith did
Speaker 8: not practice with an illness. Cavante Turpin did not practice
Speaker 8: with that shoulder, which I don't know what it's weird
Speaker 8: because and now shoulders, so I don't know what it is,
Speaker 8: but he's got something going on. Let's talk about those
Speaker 8: injuries and kind of what we're expecting as the week progressive.
Speaker 10: So right now in the conversations, I've had Marquise Bell
Speaker 10: with his calf and OsO Diggi Zoo hamstring. Not a
Speaker 10: lot of concern there from the Cowboys. Yesterday was a
Speaker 10: walkthrough for Dallas. Testament to what Mike McCarthy said earlier
Speaker 10: this week is that this Wednesday was set to be
Speaker 10: lighter for them. So while the Giants had a full practice,
Speaker 10: Cowboys kind of scale back based on the GPS numbers.
Speaker 10: But I don't as we have this conversation, there's no
Speaker 10: concern about Bell nor Osa going into the game against
Speaker 10: the Giants. Today is going to be full injury report
Speaker 10: for Thursday. We'll see if anything changes over the course
Speaker 10: of today, but not a lot of concern there. Tyler Biada,
Speaker 10: she was listed as full with the ankle. He's fine.
Speaker 10: Jy Ron cursed to he was full. Tyrone Smith, Well,
Speaker 10: Kvante Turpin, Let's go to Tyrone last Cavante Turpin. That's
Speaker 10: going to be interesting to watch because he did return
Speaker 10: from that injury in Philadelphia, scored his second touchdown for
Speaker 10: the Cowboys, but then you could see that it wasn't
Speaker 10: there for him after that. So we'll see if he
Speaker 10: has availability for this weekend. Today will be key for
Speaker 10: him as well as tomorrow. If he can't go, obviously,
Speaker 10: the returner as a backup is going to be Rico.
Speaker 10: Maybe Deuce Von gets activated this week if Cavante can't
Speaker 10: go as welly.
Speaker 8: Rico d punks as well. I know he's done kicks.
Speaker 8: Does he do punts as well?
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him ever return a punt.
Speaker 10: Yeah, either not a punt, which would mean here you go,
Speaker 10: Douce if Rico not Rico. If Cavante can't go, Deuce Europe.
Speaker 10: Tyron Smith obviously, like you said, listed with an illness,
Speaker 10: did not participate in the walkthrough. No physical issue as
Speaker 10: far as like the next thing or so, the fact
Speaker 10: that that's not listed, we're trending in a good spot there.
Speaker 10: Mike McCarthy was asked this week about the possibility of
Speaker 10: the Cowboys keeping the formula they had last week going
Speaker 10: into Philadelphia going forward, in which he did not Tyron
Speaker 10: did not participate in the contact practices. It was walked
Speaker 10: through and mock game only, and then he had an
Speaker 10: exceptional game. Mike McCarthy said that is on the table,
Speaker 10: possibly not just for this week, but possibly going forward
Speaker 10: for the rest of the season. I'm completely on board
Speaker 10: with that. He is no longer a daily driver. I
Speaker 10: think it's fair that everyone in the organization and Tyron
Speaker 10: understand that. So if you're only going to pull him
Speaker 10: out on Sundays or Mondays or Thursdays, whenever the game
Speaker 10: is there, we go.
Speaker 11: Let's do it.
Speaker 10: Because if he can continue to play at the level
Speaker 10: he played in Philly without practicing, there's your magic sauce
Speaker 10: right there.
Speaker 4: Amber and Brian, you disagree, agree.
Speaker 3: I just wish they'd all practice. Myself. I hate the
Speaker 3: veteran day. I get what Mike's trying to do. I
Speaker 3: think some of the issues you have on major days
Speaker 3: you practice. He doesn't practice him anyway. You know, he
Speaker 3: does a lot of walkthroughs and stuff. I applauded for
Speaker 3: keeping his team healthy, but they make a lot of
Speaker 3: mistakes during games, and I think when you practice, you
Speaker 3: practice with the intent of not making mistakes and being
Speaker 3: ready for the game. I think there's an element of
Speaker 3: attention to detail that you lose when you don't practice. So,
Speaker 3: you know, I if Tyron's going to play the way
Speaker 3: he did, great, you know absolutely. The availability of Tyron
Speaker 3: Smith with us is it's really fifty to fifty anyway.
Speaker 2: So whether he.
Speaker 3: Practices or not, we've seen him not practice before and
Speaker 3: he's played. He just played a great game last week.
Speaker 3: It's first time in a long time he played a
Speaker 3: really a great game. But there's a side of me
Speaker 3: that just does not dig the aspect of not practicing.
Speaker 3: I just feel like you lose something there. And the
Speaker 3: guys that don't practice are the ones that play major
Speaker 3: roles weekly.
Speaker 2: In the games.
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of not practicing. And if it's
Speaker 3: walked through is whatever, I don't care. But you only
Speaker 3: have so many of these things, so many opportunities. This
Speaker 3: classroom stuff. Yeah, you can learn. You know, we've got
Speaker 3: technology now. You could take your pads home and watch
Speaker 3: tape and prepare that way and be mentally ready. But
Speaker 3: there's something to actually going out there and working on
Speaker 3: run blocking. There's something to actually go out there and
Speaker 3: work on red zone offense, tight red zone offense, pick routes,
Speaker 3: rub routes, you know, physically going out and doing that.
Speaker 3: There's something too that I think this team lacks that
Speaker 3: right now. I think some of the mistakes you see
Speaker 3: them make is because they don't practice nearly enough.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I completely agree with that. I would rather see
Speaker 9: him practice. And who's not to say he can't. He's
Speaker 9: not gonna pull a muscle in the second snap of
Speaker 9: the game.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: It's that can also happen with you not practicing, like
Speaker 9: practicing that muscle, but with him, we've seen it, injuries happen, whatever.
Speaker 9: So that's a tough one. But maybe they why can't
Speaker 9: they come up with something where it's not just like
Speaker 9: either he practices or not, but it's like a limited
Speaker 9: type of amount of snaps in practice, like he's still
Speaker 9: getting some work in, but not for the full practice period.
Speaker 10: I think when you're talking about Tyron, and I don't disagree.
Speaker 10: I'm you know, I've played sports, team sports, I've coached
Speaker 10: some sports, and I agree with Brian and that when
Speaker 10: you're not on the practice field, you're missing something that's
Speaker 10: just this bottom line. I think from the Cowboys perspective,
Speaker 10: you have to weigh that up against who you're talking about.
Speaker 10: If we're talking about like, for example, a veteran rest
Speaker 10: Dade for like a jay Ron Curse, I don't agree
Speaker 10: with that. I think a guy like Jayron Curs should
Speaker 10: be on the field. But when it's Tyron Smith and
Speaker 10: you see his durability issues over the past several years,
Speaker 10: and you say to yourself, Okay, what's more important him,
Speaker 10: him Tyron only Tyron. Is it more important to make
Speaker 10: sure that Tyron is getting the practice reps or is
Speaker 10: it more important that he is available for the games?
Speaker 10: The next thinger will suffered in practice, you lost him
Speaker 10: for the subsequent game, and then you struggled on the
Speaker 10: offensive line. So I think it's a conversation exclusive to
Speaker 10: Tyrone Smith. And if we're keeping it exclusive to Tyrone Smith,
Speaker 10: I'm fine with that because at his stage in his career,
Speaker 10: it's kind of it's not dissimilar from Zach Martin. Zach
Speaker 10: Martin doesn't technically need to practice to go out there
Speaker 10: and ball on a weekly basis. Tyron is in that
Speaker 10: same air difference being Zach is more durable. So we're
Speaker 10: not having this practice conversation about Zach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they don't run the ball particularly well, and
Speaker 3: they've struggled on the right side running the ball, and
Speaker 3: him and Steal for some reason have regressed from what
Speaker 3: they've done. Is it practice, is it coaching? There's something
Speaker 3: that they're missing right.
Speaker 11: Now on the right side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I totally you know, Zach Martin, I mean
Speaker 3: he is Zach Martin's is a great player, Zach Martin,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean they give him a veteran day,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 9: I mean, well, we noticed when he was out from
Speaker 9: training camp, remember that, Yeah, he was out. And then
Speaker 9: at the start of the season there were times where
Speaker 9: I mean, it's been really all all years so far
Speaker 9: worthy oh I you know, uh have struggled with just
Speaker 9: being really good. But even with Zach, I forgot why
Speaker 9: game it was specifically that even a guy like him
Speaker 9: was not having a good day. And that was at
Speaker 9: the beginning of the year, and we talked about it
Speaker 9: on the show, and I remember maybe it was like
Speaker 9: the reasoning behind it was a reflection of him being
Speaker 9: absent throughout training camp and missing those things.
Speaker 3: The thing with Tyron Smith is that he could walk,
Speaker 3: He could get hurt walking up the stairs to get
Speaker 3: on the airplane. That's that's where you're at right now
Speaker 3: with Tyron Smith. And I understand them trying to protect
Speaker 3: him and all that. And but when you're when you're
Speaker 3: when you have major breakdowns and and you're and you're
Speaker 3: not particularly good in areas, you know, I don't think
Speaker 3: just walking through is the right thing to do.
Speaker 2: And then you know they've they He prides himself on practice.
Speaker 3: Mike always talks about how much he likes to practice
Speaker 3: and all that, but he doesn't practice these guys in
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 2: You know, this team has.
Speaker 3: Been fresh in the playoffs and all that, and it
Speaker 3: hasn't carried through to the whole playoffs.
Speaker 8: And you know, and I think the other thing you
Speaker 8: got to consider that when you're talking about offensive lineman
Speaker 8: is continuity. We talk about it all the time. We
Speaker 8: have to work as a unit, and what have we
Speaker 8: talked about also when it comes to some of the
Speaker 8: challenges they've had have had issues sometimes when it comes
Speaker 8: to handling twist and being able to kind of pass
Speaker 8: guys off. And I've seen in the running game sometimes
Speaker 8: the issue is that guys aren't getting off to that
Speaker 8: second level. And that's all about timing. That's all about
Speaker 8: working with the guy besides you and knowing when you're
Speaker 8: letting go and releasing that player and trade passing that
Speaker 8: player offf so you can get to the next guy.
Speaker 8: If you're not practicing that timing won't get there because
Speaker 8: we as we know, they haven't played enough games in
Speaker 8: a row, as we have been talking about, haven't done
Speaker 8: that enough to get to a point where you feel
Speaker 8: like that continuity is right there. So I do wonder
Speaker 8: if you if you're not getting the practice time, where
Speaker 8: do you get that continuity.
Speaker 10: Because you're again you're you're you're playing the risk rewater
Speaker 10: equation because you're one hundred percent right. The more practice
Speaker 10: reps you get, the more continuity you build. But if
Speaker 10: he suffers the next singer in practice and he's not
Speaker 10: on the field the next game, then guess what, You're
Speaker 10: not getting the continuity in the game. So you're losing
Speaker 10: it somewhere. And really, again that's why I said this
Speaker 10: conversation for me is exclusive to Tyrant and that you know,
Speaker 10: how do you manage that, like is he more valuable
Speaker 10: in getting these practice reps, which are valuable, But is
Speaker 10: it more valuable to get him those and risk him
Speaker 10: not playing the next one or two games, or if
Speaker 10: you say, hey, he's at a stage in his career
Speaker 10: where where he's good enough to go through walkthroughs in
Speaker 10: mock games and still also mentally build chemistry with Tyler
Speaker 10: and then it shows on the left side as it
Speaker 10: did in Philadelphia.
Speaker 11: It's the right side that needs to get it figured out.
Speaker 2: They were ready last week.
Speaker 3: They felt like that if he might something might happen
Speaker 3: to him in play three, play four, I mean a
Speaker 3: dooga was ready to go. If you want to, like
Speaker 3: watch the movie Top Gun and have somebody on cat
Speaker 3: to you know ready, you know techna, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We're all we're all fighting the mission, but we got
Speaker 3: you know, we got somebody over here in Kat too,
Speaker 3: ready to launch. If yeah, somebody goes down, that's what
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, do we want to
Speaker 2: launch a cat? You know, we're good, we're you know,
Speaker 2: we're battling here, you know that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But there, that's that's that's the that's Tyrone Smith now,
Speaker 3: you know, and as great as he is that's that
Speaker 3: there's no other player I can ever remember where you
Speaker 3: need him so badly, but you're just scared every time
Speaker 3: did he ever takes a snap?
Speaker 4: Sounds like Sean Lee. That's where they will Sean Lee
Speaker 4: too in his career.
Speaker 2: But I just, like I said, I think practice.
Speaker 3: I think practice is important, and I know Alan Iverson
Speaker 3: disagrees with me. But the only thing I think it
Speaker 3: is important for for football, I think it's important.
Speaker 9: Well I'm thinking, I'm like, okay, how can I compare
Speaker 9: this in my own life or relate to Obviously, I'm
Speaker 9: no athletes. I'm not athletes whatsoever. No, sorry, so I'm sorry,
Speaker 9: that's just working out. I'm no athlete. But if I
Speaker 9: don't pick up a paintbrush all week and then I
Speaker 9: do over the weekend, it might take me. It doesn't
Speaker 9: mean my skill is disappear or gone. It's still there,
Speaker 9: but it might take me like an hour or so
Speaker 9: for me to kind of all right, let me get
Speaker 9: back in the groove in the pace. And you can't.
Speaker 9: It's just there's no other way to replicate that moment
Speaker 9: unless you practice on the field out there, and even then,
Speaker 9: even then, practice is not replicating what you're gonna face
Speaker 9: during the game.
Speaker 11: I agree.
Speaker 10: I think if he has an average or even slightly
Speaker 10: above or below average game against the Eagles, then it's
Speaker 10: not on the table. As far as the conversation for
Speaker 10: Mike McCarthy and the coaching staff, I think the fact
Speaker 10: that he was able to go out there not show
Speaker 10: any rush, not need any ramp up time as far
Speaker 10: as the first couple of series or whatever, gives them
Speaker 10: confidence that, hey, if you did it once, you can
Speaker 10: do it again. So to your point, your one hundred
Speaker 10: percent correct. But that's what I mean when I say
Speaker 10: it's exclusive. The conversation is to tyring because of where
Speaker 10: he is in his career, how elite he can still
Speaker 10: be when he's on the field physically and mentally. So
Speaker 10: he's shown you that he doesn't need the ramp up
Speaker 10: and that's why I think it's on the table for.
Speaker 8: All Right, here's what I'm to do. I want to
Speaker 8: move on to another topic real quickly. I want to
Speaker 8: hit before we go to break. We talked a little
Speaker 8: bit earlier in the week about Martavis Bryant. Cowboys actually
Speaker 8: finalized that they signed him to the practice squad. He
Speaker 8: said something I think it was yesterday that did raise
Speaker 8: my eyebrow for a second. He said he's been running
Speaker 8: twenty to twenty two to twenty three miles per hour
Speaker 8: in some of his training. So it brought up an
Speaker 8: interesting thought in my mind, like how fast is that
Speaker 8: relative to other NFL players? So I went on our
Speaker 8: next Gen stat website and max speed for a wide
Speaker 8: receiver in the twenty twenty three season twenty two point
Speaker 8: forty four miles per hour.
Speaker 4: If he's telling the truth, he's running as fast as
Speaker 4: the fastest wide receiver.
Speaker 2: We did the receipts.
Speaker 8: They didn't say a name, they just said the fastest, well,
Speaker 8: the fastest wide receiver time this year. It's a stained
Speaker 8: speed of point five seconds sustainful point five seconds was
Speaker 8: twenty two zero point four to four miles per hour.
Speaker 9: Let's go the chronometer and go yeah.
Speaker 8: But my question is, if that is true, does it
Speaker 8: change your thoughts on maybe what your expectations might be
Speaker 8: for this guy, Because, as we talked about earlier the week,
Speaker 8: my expectations was literally can help you out, maybe you
Speaker 8: know as a scout type guy, but if he's running
Speaker 8: as fast as the fastest guy in the league at
Speaker 8: the wide receiver position might be able.
Speaker 11: To use it.
Speaker 3: I think when you talk to anybody in the organization,
Speaker 3: they will tell you they're kicking the tires on this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just looking.
Speaker 3: They're looking to see if they if they can find
Speaker 3: something that can help them, you know, maybe two three
Speaker 3: weeks from now, you know, that's that's where they're at.
Speaker 3: Britt Brown's gonna get this guy in the best shape
Speaker 3: he can. The guy's gonna practice, Hopefully, he's gonna have
Speaker 3: some opportunities to learn what's going on in the playbook
Speaker 3: and get some reps out there, and then maybe maybe
Speaker 3: that for that stretch run and you get to December,
Speaker 3: you might see him on a call up, you know,
Speaker 3: and because if they feel good enough that way, don't
Speaker 3: I don't think this was one to go out and
Speaker 3: replace somebody right now. I think this was let's get
Speaker 3: let's let's go two or three weeks, see where we're at,
Speaker 3: and then if it's if it's good to go, we'll
Speaker 3: go with it. If it's not, then there's really no
Speaker 3: harm there.
Speaker 10: Well, first, we want to believe you, Martavis. We need
Speaker 10: those receipts, my friend somebody.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we need the receipt.
Speaker 10: But but I'll say, if we're talking strictly on if
Speaker 10: the speed, if that's accurate, if that changes my thought process,
Speaker 10: The answer is no, if we're talking strictly speed, because
Speaker 10: you have speed, you got Cooks, you got turping, you
Speaker 10: got speed. You wouldn't necessarily have speed with that size.
Speaker 4: I was about to say the size, you have speed.
Speaker 10: With that size, but I'm right there with Brian. It's
Speaker 10: still a look Sie situation for the Cowboys. He his
Speaker 10: signing doesn't, as we have this conversation, displace anyone. It
Speaker 10: doesn't displace Gallop, Tobart, Turping, it certainly doesn't displace Cooks.
Speaker 10: And then you know Seede Lamb's going to be Ceede Lambs.
Speaker 10: So I think it's just, you know, it's kicking the tires,
Speaker 10: like Brian said, And if it works out for you,
Speaker 10: then you figure out what that success looks like schematically
Speaker 10: for you. And if it doesn't, then what it really
Speaker 10: cost you, you know, pennies on the dollar of that, So.
Speaker 2: It could be a bigger red zone target.
Speaker 8: Though, yeah, you know that there are ways you can
Speaker 8: figure out how to use him. I would think, you know,
Speaker 8: and again, the success as we talked about how do
Speaker 8: you define success?
Speaker 4: Maybe it is can he make a play for you?
Speaker 8: Like literally you get into one of these type games,
Speaker 8: can he be the guy? Can he be the difference
Speaker 8: in that Philadelphia game when you're figuring out how you
Speaker 8: can try to get in the end zone there at
Speaker 8: the end of the game. Maybe he's that difference maker
Speaker 8: for you. And if you can find a guy that
Speaker 8: can play that kind of role, it's a good thing
Speaker 8: for you. December and into the playoffs.
Speaker 9: How successful would you say the Cowboys have been at
Speaker 9: utilizing New York acquisition new talent when plugging them being
Speaker 9: the offense, because it makes me wonder like people that
Speaker 9: come into mind, why Hilton?
Speaker 2: T Y Hilton?
Speaker 3: I remember the first time it was a game against Philadelphia,
Speaker 3: he had like a thirty It was yeah, and he
Speaker 3: I think there was a time where Ty Hilton as
Speaker 3: a plug in player, Like his first four receptions were
Speaker 3: all first downs. So that was kind of one of
Speaker 3: those Wow, Okay, here's the guy off the couch all
Speaker 3: of a sudden gets plugged in.
Speaker 2: The game and now he's helping you win games.
Speaker 10: It's possible it's a little bit more of a gap
Speaker 10: between t Y and Martevias simply because of how more
Speaker 10: recently t Y was in the league. Yeah, and this
Speaker 10: is a guy t Y at at height of his career.
Speaker 10: He was in a Hall of Fame discussion, right, So
Speaker 10: different caliber there, but you know it's still possible. I mean,
Speaker 10: different position, but you know Jason Peters came in and contributed.
Speaker 10: So yeah, so it's definitely possible. If that's what you're asking.
Speaker 10: It's just a matter of waiting and seeing what happens
Speaker 10: with it. Basically, it's got the skill set.
Speaker 9: I'm just saying. I was, Yeah, I was thinking more
Speaker 9: those offensive when it comes to offensive weapons, where sometimes
Speaker 9: they struggle to find the right spot or the right way,
Speaker 9: Like look at Kevanta Turpey. I mean different copletely, different
Speaker 9: story here, but how long it took them to get
Speaker 9: to the point that there are now in finding ways
Speaker 9: to use him. So it's more like Hollar guys like that,
Speaker 9: Like sometimes they struggle and it takes them a while
Speaker 9: to really when it starts clicking and they start taking
Speaker 9: advantage of those guys.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was trying to look it up.
Speaker 8: I had I didn't realize until I was kind of
Speaker 8: reading around about him yesterday. He actually played this last
Speaker 8: year in the XFL. Yeah, and I hear it here
Speaker 8: just looking at some of his receiving numbers. He had
Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty four yards receiving on fourteen receptions.
Speaker 8: So not anything that you're like, oh my gosh, that
Speaker 8: was that was like.
Speaker 4: A wonderful season. But he has played football.
Speaker 8: Because I was thinking he's coming right off the couch,
Speaker 8: he actually has been playing football, so that that does
Speaker 8: help a little bit. And then you see what you
Speaker 8: can do here. Obviously you got the trainers here that
Speaker 8: can get him into football shape, and then you see
Speaker 8: if you can take advantage of some of that size
Speaker 8: and speed to give you a little something.
Speaker 10: And he's played on a big infil state as far
Speaker 10: as almost said programs at college football on the brain,
Speaker 10: as far as organizations will concern Pittsburgh Steelers. I mean,
Speaker 10: there's a lot of eyes and bright lights in Pittsburgh
Speaker 10: as well, and he and under Mike Tomlin, there's a
Speaker 10: lot of expectation there and he produced up there. So
Speaker 10: it's not like he's unfamiliar with stepping into big shoes
Speaker 10: and trying to get some stuff done.
Speaker 4: All right, let's take our first break. Will we come back.
Speaker 8: We're going to jump into the Giants defense versus the
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Speaker 8: Let's talk about the New York Giants defense. Since the
Speaker 8: last time the Cowboys played them, they did trade away
Speaker 8: what I think is probably safe to say their best
Speaker 8: defensive player, or at least among their very best defensive
Speaker 8: players in Leonard Williams. Brian how much did that change
Speaker 8: their defense when they traded him away?
Speaker 3: It hurt them in a way, and because they're trying
Speaker 3: to kind of figure out what's going on inside it tackle,
Speaker 3: but you're still going to have to deal with Dexter Lawrence,
Speaker 3: you know, he in my opinion, you know, with Thibodeaux
Speaker 3: is listed as an outside linebacker, he really plays like
Speaker 3: an edge.
Speaker 2: Jihad Ward is the other one.
Speaker 3: So you know, if that right there, Lawrence Thibodeaux Ward,
Speaker 3: that's kind of their past Russian group. And as we
Speaker 3: all know, this is a very blitz heavy team. I
Speaker 3: think percent of the time they're gonna blitch you here
Speaker 3: and the down they do it on, which I thought
Speaker 3: was interesting. I was like, where they do this, it's
Speaker 3: second down, like fifty eight percent of the time they're
Speaker 3: gonna blitz, and you kind of watch the tape, You're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I see what they're doing here. But yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it really does start with I could very well see
Speaker 3: them in this game, guys taking Dexter Lawrence and putting
Speaker 3: him right over the nose of Tyler Biattish and say
Speaker 3: block because he's done that a couple of the games
Speaker 3: I was watching, the last two the Jets, he caused a.
Speaker 2: Lot of problems inside. He caused problems.
Speaker 3: Against the Raiders as well, just pushing the center back
Speaker 3: into the quarterback.
Speaker 2: So that's where you're going to have to deal.
Speaker 3: Thibodeau is a guy that Thibodau had one of his
Speaker 3: best games, by the way, against the Jets when he
Speaker 3: watched tab. He had three sacks in that game and
Speaker 3: he looked like the player that we all kind of
Speaker 3: thought he was going to be. So that's kind of
Speaker 3: what they got going up front with their with their group.
Speaker 8: You mentioned Thibodeau. Where where is he going to typically?
Speaker 8: Where are you going to typically seeing him line see
Speaker 8: him line up, and who's going to be the cowboy
Speaker 8: player that's primarily going to see him most of the day.
Speaker 3: Well, if I'm the Giants, I'm gonna put him over
Speaker 3: on the right side because he plays both sides.
Speaker 2: Yeah he can play. So what I'm gonna do is
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put.
Speaker 3: Him on the on on the on the Giants left
Speaker 3: your right and I'm gonna test. I'm gonna test Terrence
Speaker 3: Steele in this one to see if he can hold up.
Speaker 3: You know, these teams they look for weaknesses along the line,
Speaker 3: and I think a couple of spots that the Cowboys
Speaker 3: have had some concerns have been at their center spot
Speaker 3: and then at right tackle a little bit. So they'll
Speaker 3: take their two best players and put them in those spots.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 8: Thinking about the skill set of Thibodeau and the skill
Speaker 8: set of Steel and where still is okay and where
Speaker 8: he's struggling this year, how does that match up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the The thing with Thibodeau is he
Speaker 3: you know, for a big guy, he doesn't play with
Speaker 3: a whole lot of power. He's more of a try
Speaker 3: to kind of beat you with Try to get to
Speaker 3: your shoulder, try to beat you with some quickness, try
Speaker 3: and dip underneath you. You know, the hand placement, all
Speaker 3: that stuff could be a lot better for him. He
Speaker 3: relies more on he's gonna get the edge and he's
Speaker 3: gonna be able to get underneath you to get to
Speaker 3: the quarterback. So, uh, I think where I think where
Speaker 3: Steel needs to be a little careful is as much
Speaker 3: as he's had some of the issues on the edge
Speaker 3: and gets over maybe overthinks it a little bit and thinks,
Speaker 3: I have to be outside. I have to be outside,
Speaker 3: and then that, and then Thibodeau comes back inside.
Speaker 2: That's where I.
Speaker 3: Would worry a little bit right now, being really heavy
Speaker 3: trying to stay outside on the outside foot on his
Speaker 3: right foot, and then Thibodeau taking him back inside because
Speaker 3: he's capable of doing both rushes that way.
Speaker 9: The best who's the best stop in the run.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be Lawrence. It's gonna be this this when
Speaker 3: you watch them play, Lawrence is the defensive tackle makes
Speaker 3: a lot of plays inside because if you run the
Speaker 3: ball at him, he's going to just disengage the blocks
Speaker 3: and get He also can work a couple of gaps
Speaker 3: down is what he can do. They've got uh uh
Speaker 3: Bobby Bobby Okarike, the okaik the linebackers a good player
Speaker 3: for them. He's he's a kind of a downhill player.
Speaker 3: So the defensive tackle and then the middle linebacker or
Speaker 3: the two of the best players when it comes to
Speaker 3: defending the run. You're thinking about running the ball this week,
Speaker 3: or try to run the ball actually.
Speaker 9: Like to see something a little bit of established or
Speaker 9: starting to establish that wherever you can, at whatever point,
Speaker 9: I think, just to start building up a little bit
Speaker 9: more confidence in that area of the game.
Speaker 4: So let me throw this at you.
Speaker 8: I was looking at some of the numbers around the
Speaker 8: Giants rush defense. They are twenty fifth in rush defense
Speaker 8: in the league. Not only that, they're twenty eighth in
Speaker 8: yards per carry. They're allowing four point six yards per carry.
Speaker 8: When you think about that and considering the fact that
Speaker 8: they've allowed one hundred and twenty five plus rushing yards
Speaker 8: in seven of their nine games, give up a WAP
Speaker 8: in two twenty two at Miami, it looks like it
Speaker 8: maybe it.
Speaker 4: Could be a game where you could get right with
Speaker 4: your running games.
Speaker 11: So you're seeing there's a cha, there's a chance.
Speaker 2: There's a chance.
Speaker 3: But but to me, it's gonna have to be can
Speaker 3: you block? Can you block that defensive tackle?
Speaker 2: Lawrence? I think, can can you know? Then?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, evidently when you look at the
Speaker 3: games and stuff like that, the thing about it is
Speaker 3: to me, and when I watched the Giants play, I
Speaker 3: just the thing I worry the most about them is like,
Speaker 3: if you just commit to saying, Okay, we're gonna we're
Speaker 3: gonna throw the ball here today. We're gonna try and
Speaker 3: throw the ball the pressure there, blitz pressure. And maybe
Speaker 3: this is a time where Dallas could say, well, let's
Speaker 3: try and load up and run the ball here, and
Speaker 3: let's try and be successful at it. But I think
Speaker 3: the Giants kind of also know that too, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: I think they're they're sitting there thinking, well, Dallas wants
Speaker 3: to try and get right running the ball here, you know,
Speaker 3: and so how do you play? I mean, they're the
Speaker 3: reason I think the Giants give up plays. And they're
Speaker 3: really their linebackers are like really aggressive, uh with him,
Speaker 3: and uh they McFadden's another one.
Speaker 2: They overrun.
Speaker 3: They're really they they they really bite heavy when you
Speaker 3: like give them that run action. They're coming forward because
Speaker 3: they're committed to they're committed to trying to play the run.
Speaker 3: Because of what Derek was talking about Xavier McKinny of
Speaker 3: the safety, these guys are all trying to fly down
Speaker 3: inside there to stop the run because they have had
Speaker 3: some problems with it. But Dallas has got to prove
Speaker 3: to me that they can run the ball. You know,
Speaker 3: if you go into a game and you're playing against
Speaker 3: the twenty fifth best run defense in the league and
Speaker 3: you don't.
Speaker 2: Have success running the ball. Now you've really really got
Speaker 2: some problems in this one. But it's going to be
Speaker 2: have to block.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to be about having to block
Speaker 3: the making sure that you take care of lowrence and
Speaker 3: then take care of their linebackers.
Speaker 11: I think.
Speaker 10: I mean, like you said, they rank pretty poorly as
Speaker 10: far as run defense is concerned, and kind of going
Speaker 10: to Brian's point, they if they feel like that's where
Speaker 10: you're going to try to attack them first, attack them
Speaker 10: in the air first, and then use that to kind
Speaker 10: of set up your run and then there you go.
Speaker 11: There's your rushing attack right there.
Speaker 10: Because they're not great at pass defense, which Brian will
Speaker 10: get to in a moment. So I mean, however you
Speaker 10: want to attack it, this is a game where you
Speaker 10: can get the run game going. I just wouldn't go
Speaker 10: at it probably merely. I mean, and you're doing so
Speaker 10: well as far as explosiveness with Ceedee Lamb and Jake Ferguson, like,
Speaker 10: don't hank that, keep that going, apply use that to
Speaker 10: apply pressure and keep that momentum moving forward and then
Speaker 10: they'll start backing off and then here comes that twenty fifth,
Speaker 10: twenty sixth rank run defense unable to stop Tony Pollard,
Speaker 10: Rico Dala.
Speaker 9: But okay, this might be a dumb question, but it's okay.
Speaker 9: If they're bad at it, that's stopping the run anyways, regardless,
Speaker 9: why does it matter whether they know or.
Speaker 10: Because they'll throw they scheme for they'll throw extra bodies
Speaker 10: at it, they'll put more bodies in the box and
Speaker 10: things like that.
Speaker 2: So you haven't proved it. You've proven you can't run
Speaker 2: the ball. I mean you've had well you I shouldn't
Speaker 2: say proven you you struggle running the.
Speaker 4: Ball, shown you can.
Speaker 3: So if yeah, if if their their their thought has
Speaker 3: to be. You know when you look at Wink Martin
Speaker 3: del their defensive coordinator, if I'm him, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: if I if I would worry more about Dak and
Speaker 3: CD and Ferguson than I would anybody else. Those are
Speaker 3: the guys I need. Because you haven't proven to me
Speaker 3: that you can run the ball against anybody you know,
Speaker 3: good or bad. You know that mean they just haven't
Speaker 3: had success doing it. And you know, Philadelphia, we knew Philip.
Speaker 3: But there's team you know, there's teams that we might
Speaker 3: believe we saw last week with our own eyes. Philadelphia
Speaker 3: plays poor pass defense. You know that might be the
Speaker 3: way to beat Philadelphia. Now, don't run the ball. And
Speaker 3: it might be people don't want to run the ball
Speaker 3: because it's like, no, we'll throw the ball in these
Speaker 3: guys because if we could block their fronts, then we
Speaker 3: can throw the ball in the secondary.
Speaker 8: But you know, honestly, I think if I were the Giants,
Speaker 8: I take the opposite approach Brian, and what you're saying,
Speaker 8: I would actually say I would come into this game
Speaker 8: saying I got a cool Dak Prescott off.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I'm playing past these.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm I'm like, I'm keeping seven back. Yeah, and
Speaker 8: I might blitz every once in a while. But also
Speaker 8: the other parts of that too, is when you got
Speaker 8: a team like Theirs, where offensively they're going to struggle,
Speaker 8: you want to keep the game close. So the last
Speaker 8: thing you do is give a big plays. So I'd
Speaker 8: be like, I'm not giving up any big plays. I'm
Speaker 8: keeping everything underneath me. I'm going to force Dallas to
Speaker 8: drive methodically down the field and not make a mistake.
Speaker 8: That's how I think I would approach it if I
Speaker 8: were the Jackson, and maybe they will, but that's how
Speaker 8: I think they have to approach it, right. I think
Speaker 8: that's the only shot they got in approaching this game,
Speaker 8: and I.
Speaker 10: Would love for them to approach it that way because
Speaker 10: they're going to get absolutely eaten alive. And that's why
Speaker 10: I say keep the moment. I'm going keep the electricity
Speaker 10: going in this passing attack because if they for them,
Speaker 10: I could see how that makes sense.
Speaker 11: But that's a bad play for them. That's a bad play.
Speaker 11: They don't really.
Speaker 3: They're no, They're they're struggling because their offense is so bad.
Speaker 4: Their offense is so bad and affects everything else.
Speaker 3: It affects how they have to play defense, and they
Speaker 3: have to. They have to now they're they're banged up
Speaker 3: in the secondary right now. I mean, we'll see Dorr
Speaker 3: Jackson gotta suffered. He hurt his neck in the Buffalo game,
Speaker 3: concussion and then he got to get out or is
Speaker 3: he I talked to my guys with the Giants this morning.
Speaker 3: He was there's there's a chance that he's going to
Speaker 3: be available, So that means would be him and Banks
Speaker 3: would likely be at the corner. Nick McLeod played last
Speaker 3: week and he wasn't terrible in the game where they're
Speaker 3: bad as Cordell Flock is the nickel and he's been struggling.
Speaker 3: He plays really loose, and that's a problem for them.
Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes he's up on it, sometimes he's back.
Speaker 3: He gives up plays, he gives up routes. He doesn't
Speaker 3: tackle particularly well. So I I don't know if they
Speaker 3: want to sit there and blitz Dak in this game.
Speaker 3: I would make, like you guys were talking about to me,
Speaker 3: make Dallas have to drive the ball, because when Dallas
Speaker 3: drives the ball, are they going to make a mistake
Speaker 3: you know, legal motion?
Speaker 2: Are they going to give up a sack? Are they
Speaker 2: gonna you.
Speaker 3: Know, what's going to happen in this game. So yeah,
Speaker 3: the plan for me would Yeah, I would worry, But
Speaker 3: like I said, I would worry about Dak a lot
Speaker 3: in this game. If I was the Giants, I would
Speaker 3: do everything in my power to make sure you take
Speaker 3: care of him first and then work from the others
Speaker 3: if you.
Speaker 11: Can do it.
Speaker 10: If you can, I don't think they don't have the
Speaker 10: horses to do it. And here's here's something that that
Speaker 10: I found that's actually promising to in the regards of
Speaker 10: a concern that you and we had coming out of
Speaker 10: the San Francisco game. Dak Prescott and these receivers excel
Speaker 10: at exposing zone coverage, but when a defense switches to man,
Speaker 10: the Cowboys were struggling.
Speaker 11: Dak was struggling with that.
Speaker 10: Well, they went into a Philadelphia game where Philly was
Speaker 10: averaging roughly seven plus ish percent zone defense, but they
Speaker 10: dropped that and it was almost a fifty to fifty spot. Okay,
Speaker 10: Dak Prescott versus man coverage in Philly thirteen for twenty
Speaker 10: one eight two touchdowns plus ten point eight so almost
Speaker 10: eleven percent completion percentage above expectation. So Dak Prescott, and
Speaker 10: this is why I say keep that momentum going with
Speaker 10: Ceedee Lamb and Jake Ferguson, because now it's starting to
Speaker 10: come together where Dak Prescott can pick apart man coverage
Speaker 10: as well as he can pick apart zone. The Giants
Speaker 10: don't have a recourse for this. They just they don't.
Speaker 8: The more the season is going on, the more it's
Speaker 8: becoming apparent, at least to me, that I think the
Speaker 8: issues that the offense was dealing with early in the
Speaker 8: season were growing pains. They were figuring out this offense.
Speaker 8: They figuring out how to get dak At made it
Speaker 8: in this offense, and I think now they're starting to
Speaker 8: figure it out. And that's why I think they've been
Speaker 8: on this roll these last couple weeks.
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Speaker 8: Let's turn our attention to the Cowboys offense. Here's a
Speaker 8: question I have for you, guys, is there a noticeable
Speaker 8: difference for you between Tony Pollard of previous seasons and
Speaker 8: of twenty twenty three, Because I know there's been a
Speaker 8: lot with regard to the offensive line and their woes,
Speaker 8: but how much of that is about Tony Pollard. How
Speaker 8: different is he than he's been in past years.
Speaker 10: He's different to me, and I'm not surprised because be clear,
Speaker 10: in what ways I think as the season where is along,
Speaker 10: he's starting to find out what it means to be
Speaker 10: RB one and have to do the dirty work and
Speaker 10: the heavy lifting that say Ezekiel Elliott had become accustomed
Speaker 10: to doing, and that's going to take some of his explosiveness,
Speaker 10: some of his home earn ability, particularly as you get
Speaker 10: midway and in the back end.
Speaker 11: Of the season.
Speaker 10: So because there's some plays on a film where I'm like, okay,
Speaker 10: normally the Tony Pollard previously to twenty twenty three would
Speaker 10: have hit that lane and gotten ten fifteen yards, maybe
Speaker 10: that's a home run ball. But Tony Pollard in twenty
Speaker 10: twenty three he either doesn't see that lane or he
Speaker 10: hits that lane, but not with the same explosiveness. So
Speaker 10: just leads me to wonder how much of carrying the
Speaker 10: RB one load and doing that dirty work in the
Speaker 10: heavy lifting has siphoned some of his explosiveness, which also
Speaker 10: is why RB two, which was Tony Pollard, now it's
Speaker 10: ric o' daudo has those fresh legs and he's showing
Speaker 10: that explosiveness.
Speaker 11: That's just the dynamical figure, go figure.
Speaker 10: And we talked you say that sacentiously because we talked
Speaker 10: about this in training camp, what does Tony Pollard RB
Speaker 10: one look like? And we said, I know, Adburn on
Speaker 10: the same page with this. We don't think that it
Speaker 10: looks anything like Tony Pollard RB two because you have
Speaker 10: to take on more duties and you're taking more hits
Speaker 10: because you're getting more reps. And as the weeks roll along,
Speaker 10: you start to find out this is why Ezekiel Elliott
Speaker 10: in December would deal with the PCO issue, This is
Speaker 10: why Ezekiel Elliott would deal with this ailment and that ailment.
Speaker 10: And it's just not there like it was. Not to
Speaker 10: say he can't still hit the home run. I believe
Speaker 10: he can, but this is a different version of Tony
Speaker 10: Pollard and people just need to get used to it.
Speaker 10: You're not going to see the one you saw in
Speaker 10: twenty twenty two and twenty twenty one that now is
Speaker 10: Ricodoudo because that's how it plays out in the RB
Speaker 10: one RB two dynamic.
Speaker 9: Yep, where are all the z caters now? It's just
Speaker 9: one of those things you presented a perfect because now
Speaker 9: I do see some people online wanting to see more,
Speaker 9: and it's okay. The stories before now to be fair,
Speaker 9: to be fair, the old line has not been what
Speaker 9: you like it to be, so there we got to
Speaker 9: take that into account. There are a lot of times
Speaker 9: because of the on line playing the way that they are,
Speaker 9: I feel like there are times where Tony is given
Speaker 9: more responsibility as a blocker to kind of help. He's
Speaker 9: done well, but it's still taking away from you just
Speaker 9: being that guy that runs with their legs and takes
Speaker 9: off with the ball. So I think, yeah, he hasn't
Speaker 9: been that guy. He's gone. He has a lot more
Speaker 9: responsibilities on his back that he's having to endure game
Speaker 9: after game. But again, you got to look at the
Speaker 9: old line and how that looks. And we very very
Speaker 9: well known that the old line is the one kind
Speaker 9: of create well not kind of they are the ones
Speaker 9: creating those holes for you and it just it hasn't
Speaker 9: been there for the for the running backs really this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the old line and the tight ends can't get
Speaker 3: him to and through the hole. That's that's the biggest
Speaker 3: issue right now. They're trying to scheme ways of doing this,
Speaker 3: whether it's pulling guys, it's uh, you know, with some
Speaker 3: of the combination blocks, but they don't win at the
Speaker 3: point of attack nearly enough. The right side surely hasn't
Speaker 3: won like it used to win with Steel and you know,
Speaker 3: I think you're dealing with his injuries of him trying
Speaker 3: to come back.
Speaker 2: They just haven't been as strong. And then when they
Speaker 2: have had opportunities, unfortunately they had a big run the
Speaker 2: other day, got called back for holding. You know, with
Speaker 2: scoon Maker, you know, they've.
Speaker 3: Had some that have got to and through and and
Speaker 3: you know when they can, they can, you know they can,
Speaker 3: They're capable of doing that. He's clearly different. I don't
Speaker 3: think he's healthy enough right now. I think the injuries
Speaker 3: has hurt him. It's unfortunate for him because he's trying
Speaker 3: to you know, he's trying to, you know, get another contract.
Speaker 3: He's playing on a franchise tag right now, and you're
Speaker 3: starting to hear the whispers Woul Dallas consider drafting a
Speaker 3: running back in the first round. Now you're starting to hear,
Speaker 3: you know, you're starting to see people talk about, well,
Speaker 3: did they just need to move on from all these
Speaker 3: running backs and address that in the next to next year.
Speaker 3: So I think as long as the offensive line continues
Speaker 3: to struggle, you'll see Tony Pollard struggle.
Speaker 10: And Tony, to his credit because he had a touchdown
Speaker 10: that was deleted because of the illegal formation penalty. So
Speaker 10: I mean, he's he's grinding and he's doing what he
Speaker 10: can do. It's just it's a different seat. So it's
Speaker 10: a different Tony because it's different requirements, and like we
Speaker 10: all agreed, offensive line isn't helping him at all.
Speaker 11: But then you'd go back to the tight ends and
Speaker 11: there also.
Speaker 10: But then when you go back and you look at
Speaker 10: let's say the Charges game, for example, dek extends to
Speaker 10: play hits Pollard, he turns that into a sixty yarder
Speaker 10: that before he was tackled. You're like, Okay, this looks
Speaker 10: like twenty twenty two Tony Pollard. But the fact he
Speaker 10: didn't feel this guy right here that felt like the
Speaker 10: twenty twenty three Tony Popp right and.
Speaker 8: Also just he even talked about after the game. He's
Speaker 8: like that, that's one that I should have taken into
Speaker 8: the house. And I don't know if he had that
Speaker 8: extra gear at that point to take it to.
Speaker 4: The house or not.
Speaker 11: It's doing the dirty work.
Speaker 8: But the one thing that keeps popping up in my
Speaker 8: head is a conversation that I know you had it
Speaker 8: with Pete. I had it with Skip Pete. He even
Speaker 8: talked about it to the media in general, is his
Speaker 8: belief was in order to get the best out of
Speaker 8: Tony Pollard, Tony Pollard needed that extra back taking that, Yeah,
Speaker 8: you needed that. In order to get the very best
Speaker 8: out of him. You have to manage his number of reps.
Speaker 8: And I'm wondering, again, I don't know that we've seen
Speaker 8: enough to make a definitive stavement, but I'm wondering if
Speaker 8: that's all playing out now to where just that added
Speaker 8: amount of number of reps, added number of hits, that
Speaker 8: the cumulative of that, the cumulative of that maybe affects
Speaker 8: him in a way to where you don't get the
Speaker 8: same level of explosiveness that you would have gotten in
Speaker 8: past years with him. We don't know for sure, but
Speaker 8: I do think, because I agree with you, Brian, until
Speaker 8: the offensive line starts doing their part and the tight
Speaker 8: ends start doing their part, it's hard to really evaluate him.
Speaker 8: I don't think he's getting a fair shot at this,
Speaker 8: But I do wonder if some of that is what
Speaker 8: skip Pete talked about and why he thought it was
Speaker 8: necessary to have both the Zek Elliott and a Tony
Speaker 8: Pollard in this run offense.
Speaker 9: Do you think let's just create this scenario if Seek
Speaker 9: was still here and they were still that combo together,
Speaker 9: would they still be having the same type of issues
Speaker 9: right now?
Speaker 4: Yes, I don't think. I don't think.
Speaker 9: Yeah, right, so it wouldn't be the it's not that
Speaker 9: difference maker. So going back to your point, this is
Speaker 9: just me backing up your point that it is all
Speaker 9: stemming down from the O line and there's no it's
Speaker 9: no fur judgment to look at him and evaluate his
Speaker 9: level of playing playing level because there's no other I.
Speaker 10: Think I think all of it feeds into each other.
Speaker 10: So obviously there's offensive line issues and that makes it
Speaker 10: difficult for him to be as productive as he probably
Speaker 10: would be otherwise. But you can't take away from the
Speaker 10: fact that once he became RB one, there's different tasks
Speaker 10: that are required. It's just dirty work and it's more
Speaker 10: passed pro and it's more A and B gap runs.
Speaker 11: It's more dirty work.
Speaker 10: So by the time you get to uh that pointing
Speaker 10: the Chargers game, late in the game where you need
Speaker 10: him to find two high gears, he found the first
Speaker 10: one and it was like, Okay, here we go. But
Speaker 10: he didn't feel this guy because he didn't find that
Speaker 10: the highest top top gear that probably was there when
Speaker 10: he would have been on fresher legs. Because Zeke had
Speaker 10: done most of the work. Well, I almost can almost
Speaker 10: guarantee you. Now, this is theoretically, but if you put
Speaker 10: Rico in that same play, it's probably a touchdown. Does
Speaker 10: that mean Rico's better than Tony, No, but it means
Speaker 10: that Rico has the fresher legs. It's the RB two conversation.
Speaker 10: It's why and we've done We've covered the Cowboys long enough,
Speaker 10: all of us to understand how that works with fans.
Speaker 10: It's Felix Jones. You should give him more. Let Julius
Speaker 10: go and give it to Felix, and then Felix. Yeah,
Speaker 10: he's a capable running back. But then it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 10: let's give it to Lance Troy Hamburg.
Speaker 11: Right, it's the brick.
Speaker 4: People were like, you gotta get Joy Hamberg.
Speaker 11: It was like, okay, well.
Speaker 2: Look at it. The reason why we're doing radio.
Speaker 10: Let's look at Tony and you know, get rid of
Speaker 10: Zeke and make Tony the top dog. And now Tony's
Speaker 10: the top dog. And they're like, ooh, Rico. So it's
Speaker 10: just you know, and if hypothetically, if it were Rico
Speaker 10: as RB one next season, and then they'd be like, oh dude.
Speaker 8: It's the meme, right, it's the meme of the guy
Speaker 8: walking with the girl that's always looking at home like
Speaker 8: the other girl.
Speaker 4: Right, it's always one at Arby two always works. All right,
Speaker 4: we appreciate you guys doing to back. Tomorrow.
Speaker 8: We'll wrap this thing up, tell you what we think
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