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Speaker 1: No Your hosts, Mickey'spagnola, Brian brought us, Taylor Stern and

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips. Welcome everybody to a very special Victory Tuesday

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Speaker 1: edition of Talking Cowboys Always joined by Mickey, Rob and

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Speaker 1: Brian in the SWBC Mortgage Studio. So we've got an

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Speaker 1: exciting game to talk about. Obviously, people thought it was

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Speaker 1: a little bumpy to start the game. We'll get into that.

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Speaker 1: So whether you're watching or listening today, we've got lots

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Speaker 1: and lots to talk about. But how are you guys doing? Mickey,

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Speaker 1: you got the energy after a late night diet mountain dew,

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Speaker 1: doctor Thunder. I'm ready to go diet mountain dew. You

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Speaker 1: you know. Brian and Held it Down had a special

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Speaker 1: podcast yesterday here. Absolutely we had a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: yesterday and Nate and I two for the road and

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Speaker 1: get a little pregame show postgame show. So yeah, ready

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Speaker 1: to talk about this thing. Yeah. I liked how you

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Speaker 1: said that you were able to send everything to Day

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Speaker 1: before they even landed. Yeah, I got everything taken care

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Speaker 1: of so yeah, it's I miss you guys on the road,

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Speaker 1: but we get some things we can do here, and

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Speaker 1: you know, covered the team that way, so we'll continue

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Speaker 1: to do that that you didn't miss going to bed

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Speaker 1: at four thirty in the morning. Now I got home

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Speaker 1: right at two o'clock. There you go. You got a

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Speaker 1: free Sunday, and I was back up here at eight

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Speaker 1: am watching the tape. So yeah, no, it's good. That's

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Speaker 1: the trade off. If I don't have to go on

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Speaker 1: the trip, I'll get here early and watch this tape.

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Speaker 1: You do you do? And what did you guys see

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Speaker 1: from the tape? Because we saw a Cowboys victory? Of

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Speaker 1: course at first the first quarter was kind of funny.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know this if this was for you, Brian,

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Speaker 1: but we're sitting there in the press box and you

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Speaker 1: would have thought that Cowboys were down forty five. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: it look bad. Should have been look bad from the

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Speaker 1: start too. I tried to go back and see the

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Speaker 1: last time of this Cowboys team had three offensive plays

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Speaker 1: in a first quarter period or less, and I don't

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Speaker 1: been back a few years. That's that's incredible. And it

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Speaker 1: basically was the blueprint. There's that words, I got the

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Speaker 1: blue got it? I mean it was basically started away.

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Speaker 1: It was Denver's game plan to try to keep the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys off the field, and it was working early on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they only had to do it three plays. They

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Speaker 1: kept the ball the whole quarter. Yeah, they did a

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Speaker 1: nice jets My point, well, keeping the Cowboys off the hold.

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Speaker 1: I thought you meant they yeah, you ready to argue? Ready, No,

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Speaker 1: I didn't understand what you were saying. It sounded like

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Speaker 1: they had the blueprint to stop the Cowboys offense. They

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Speaker 1: only stopped them three plays and then they got rolling.

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Speaker 1: And when they got rolling, things started happening, including a

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Speaker 1: mister Dak Prescott. What did you guys see from Dak

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Speaker 1: that impressed you the most? With his win? Obviously had

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Speaker 1: a great passer rating, was able to get the ball

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Speaker 1: to different receivers. But what really stood out to you

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Speaker 1: brand I'll start with you first. Yeah, I think Taylor

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Speaker 1: did his ability to win with his feet and this

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Speaker 1: sweeps like that, Dak Prescott be you know, we've talked

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Speaker 1: why teams are trying to keep him in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: His ability to win on the outside, to make those

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Speaker 1: I thought that Dak and Terrence Williams had a couple

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Speaker 1: So Dak's ability to win with his feet, not only

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Speaker 1: think was really key in this victory for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes all the great plans in the world,

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Speaker 1: you gotta play sandlot ball, and that's what he did.

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Speaker 1: Some of those runs were designed, some of the boots

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Speaker 1: big play. That's how you get teams to back off,

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Speaker 1: and they finally made the big play. I thought the

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Speaker 1: that's leadership from your quarterback. That was incredible rushing touchdown

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Speaker 1: especially in the fourth quarter to Brice. But that touchdown

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Speaker 1: I think that's a statement to the rest of the

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Speaker 1: I asked Zeke about it. He said, it shows how

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Speaker 1: I thought he made a statement. I'll tell you what though.

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Speaker 1: He It was something though that Marcus Golden. They'd run

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Speaker 1: So give Prescott a little credit like, Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: a smart quarterback right there, that knows. Okay, last time

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you pay for going down hard inside

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Speaker 1: that zone. Read and we saw it last year is

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Speaker 1: you don't want to run Dack too much, but it's

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Speaker 1: he made a good decision to tuck his head at

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Speaker 1: like how is he still standing? But Mickey's right at

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Speaker 1: a forward flip exactly, you tuck your head. I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see Mickey do that because you should have been there.

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Speaker 1: He was in the circus. That's why you should have

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Speaker 1: been there, a little circus. So, first two games, a

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Speaker 1: lot of people had questions about this team's red zone efficiency.

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Speaker 1: so way more effective there. They benefited from their first

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Speaker 1: they really got help from the special teams in this game.

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Speaker 1: But also defensively, I believe Arizona was one for four

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Speaker 1: you're going to start moving the football against what these

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Speaker 1: guys were doing. Great point, and before we do get

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Speaker 1: of a job to markus. Thorn's doing another hell of

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Speaker 1: a job with Mickey's just gonna win. Rank him every

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Speaker 1: week if he takes dlass so smart guy. But you

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Speaker 1: did bring up Ryce Butler. He almost had two touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Obviously a penalty there but or no, the ball was down.

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Speaker 1: But Bryce Butler came out and said this was the

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Speaker 1: I mean, you have to agree. The guy showed up,

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Speaker 1: talked last week, Brian finish. Yeah, did he finish for yet? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: with the assistance of DeMarcus Lawrence. Yeah, I think that

428
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Speaker 1: to me, when they when you get those two next

429
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Speaker 1: to each other, it makes it difficult for an offensive

430
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Speaker 1: line to have to deal with those guys, and then

431
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Speaker 1: you don't know if you're gonna get a twist game.

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Speaker 1: You don't know if you're gonna get a power game.

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Speaker 1: You don't know if you're gonna get a quick game.

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Speaker 1: And so that to me is where you know, if

435
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: you have guys around you know, around him, that are

436
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Speaker 1: able to make plays, that are able to create pressure,

437
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Speaker 1: then that's going to only help Lawrence. I think that

438
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: Rob's right. Some of the matchups he's had has been

439
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: have been very favorable. Not to take anything away from him,

440
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 1: but you should in the National Football League punish bad players.

441
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Speaker 1: If you've got a guy over you that is not

442
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Speaker 1: very good, you should take advantage of that. You should not, Yeah,

443
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: you should not let John Wetzel block you in these games.

444
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Speaker 1: That's that's the way it is now. If you're going

445
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Speaker 1: against Tyrn Smith and guys like that, some of elite

446
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Speaker 1: tackles or better tackles in the league, and you have

447
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Speaker 1: your struggles, I think there will be a time where

448
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Speaker 1: we'll go, well, what happened with Lawrence here? What you know?

449
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he's on a heck of a run right now.

450
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Speaker 1: But let's also think about, Okay, is he playing against

451
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Speaker 1: some better guys. If he plays against better guys and

452
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Speaker 1: has success, by all means, you know, pay the man.

453
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Speaker 1: But hopefully he doesn't get into one of those things

454
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Speaker 1: where all of a sudden you're playing against five or

455
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Speaker 1: six tackles in a row that are pretty good and

456
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Speaker 1: hold him off the scorebook. When's the next time he'll

457
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Speaker 1: play somebody that's decent? He should at at the right

458
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Speaker 1: tackle position. Let's think who's at right tackle for the Packers. Well,

459
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Speaker 1: haristein for the Rams this week is that they've done

460
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Speaker 1: a nice job at protecting Golf the quarterback. This this

461
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Speaker 1: offensive line will be better than what they play the Packers, Blaga,

462
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Speaker 1: you know they I think they got a couple of

463
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Speaker 1: guys hurt in the game the other day that were

464
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Speaker 1: bad in that situation. So maybe he'll be some backup guys.

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Speaker 1: But you know it, to me, it's let's just hope

466
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Speaker 1: he doesn't go away that. I don't want it to

467
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Speaker 1: be really good three or four games in a row

468
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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, a stretch of four

469
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Speaker 1: or five like whoa, which has happened? That kind of thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: they need to balance it because you need to start

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Speaker 1: getting some from the other side. No, Crawford got a sack,

472
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Speaker 1: but barely hear anything from Mayoa Tacos still struggling over there.

473
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Speaker 1: Maybe when David Irving gets back, they can balance the

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Speaker 1: other side, you know, not be a one man show,

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Speaker 1: because not only is he getting to the quarterback for sacks,

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Speaker 1: he's also hitting the quarterback and he's making tackles for losses,

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Speaker 1: playing for the run too. You know, we talked about

478
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: vel Deer last last week about that guy was pretty weak.

479
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: Even arians was criticizing him, and he took advantage of it,

480
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: and that's what you need to do. But you're right,

481
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Speaker 1: he should have eight sacks. He lost a half a

482
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Speaker 1: sack on looking back the stats people and gave it

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Speaker 1: to Malak Collins. And then the illegal contact by Sean

484
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Speaker 1: Lee took away what would have been a fourth sack.

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Speaker 1: That's a terrible call game. That was a terrible call.

486
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Speaker 1: It Sean Lee was just was bottying up down the field,

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Speaker 1: that's all he was. I didn't see any holding, grabbing

488
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Speaker 1: or anything like that. It would make you believe that, okay,

489
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Speaker 1: that needs to be called, but that was that was

490
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Speaker 1: an absolutely terrible call going down the field that way,

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Speaker 1: and you know these officials, though, I will say they

492
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Speaker 1: let these guys play a little bit because the quarterbacks

493
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Speaker 1: got roughed up in this skin. Yeah, I mean there

494
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Speaker 1: was some hands in the face there. You know, there

495
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Speaker 1: were some things that were that weren't called in this

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Speaker 1: game that normally see them flag four, but not this

497
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Speaker 1: time around. Are you guys surprised? For all you guys

498
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Speaker 1: how much pressure they're getting with just a three man line,

499
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Speaker 1: and we saw them do that last year, but man,

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Speaker 1: with Malik and Lawrence and Crawford, they had a lot

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Speaker 1: of success to in that last night. I'm not surprised

502
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Speaker 1: because what it does is when you drop eight, then

503
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you make the quarterback calf to

504
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Speaker 1: hold the ball to coverage sack. It's a coverage situation

505
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Speaker 1: if you get guys, if you make a quarterback and

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Speaker 1: they and they got into a situation on the MALIEK.

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Speaker 1: Collins sack, it was three man rush. They win the center,

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Speaker 1: he beat Shipley the center. They're dropping, they're dropping basically

509
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Speaker 1: six and playing two on the hash and that way,

510
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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer's got nowhere to throw the ball. So if

511
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Speaker 1: you clog things up and you're able to get guys

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Speaker 1: home against an offensive line that's struggled a little bit.

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Speaker 1: You know that's a good recipe for your defense. Yeah. Well,

514
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Speaker 1: let's go to the phone lines really quickly before we

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Speaker 1: get into more players that really showed up last night.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you guys can call us the numbers two

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Speaker 1: one four, age seven two twenty one oh two. We

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Speaker 1: have a jack from Arizona. Oh, thank you guys. Um.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say I was at the game yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It was a great feeling. I love to see unity.

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Speaker 1: I love to see Jerry Jones out there. I also

522
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Speaker 1: love to see them standing as well. I was proud

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Speaker 1: to be an American, proud to be an American America's

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Speaker 1: team fan taste. And I know you haven't been out

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Speaker 1: to Arizona. I hope we made it loud for you

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Speaker 1: to understand that this was basically at and T West.

527
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Speaker 1: We had so many Cowboys fans out there yelling and

528
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Speaker 1: screaming for the Cardinals when they were on third down.

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Speaker 1: I hope we made the Cowboys feel at home. Just

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Speaker 1: real quick. Brian brought us. I love watching your analysis

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Speaker 1: and I'm really thankful for that. And i'd definitely like

532
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Speaker 1: to listen so one thing I just want to make

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Speaker 1: a point on. I love that our defensive line was

534
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Speaker 1: making an impact. I love that Sean Lee and Jalen

535
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Smidt were just beast linebacker. But I really want to

536
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Speaker 1: bring some credit to the tackling, the open field of tackling,

537
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Speaker 1: especially Jordan Lewis. I feel like they have so much

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Speaker 1: speed on the offense and defense that a couple of

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Speaker 1: those runs, a couple of those small little paths, if

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Speaker 1: they broke out, it could have been a difference maker.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that the secondary really made our

542
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Speaker 1: defensive line just looks that much better yesterday. So I'll

543
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Speaker 1: hanging up and listen to your comments. Guys, thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Secondary speed of the defense, speed of the defense, speed

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Speaker 1: of the defense. They were speedy. And hey, when you

546
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Speaker 1: got rookies like a Jordan Lewis and Xavier Woods bawling

547
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Speaker 1: out like they did, you're gonna have a speedier defense.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about it before, but you know, actually

549
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Speaker 1: the fastest guy in the secondary is Anthony Brown. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh that was evident last night. They were there, Yeah,

551
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Speaker 1: they were there. They were getting after it. I'll tell

552
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Speaker 1: you what in physical like, how is everybody's timeline though

553
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: the first two series of the game. Oh on Twitter,

554
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Speaker 1: Oh bad, everybody more? Yeah, more corners straight for this guy.

555
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Speaker 1: Try Yeah see that? To me, it's it's it's you know,

556
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Speaker 1: it is what it is. I mean, they found they

557
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Speaker 1: found a combination which they could play with. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you talk about to me the zone coverage stuff,

559
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Speaker 1: I know they have to do it. I know they

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Speaker 1: have to play a zone, but it seemed like to

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Speaker 1: me that was the achilles heel last night of what

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00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: they were having to do when they locked up and

563
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Speaker 1: when they went to the three man rush and it

564
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Speaker 1: went man, and then all of a sudden, then it

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Speaker 1: played a little bit to the more of the strengths

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Speaker 1: of what was going on. I think Carson Palmer figure

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Speaker 1: them out in some zone coverage stuff. That's why the

568
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Speaker 1: ball was going down the field. And once they went

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Speaker 1: to man, I think they took away some of that

570
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Speaker 1: principles and that goes into what the caller is talking

571
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Speaker 1: about with the speed of the defense right there. I

572
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Speaker 1: think you see it more when they play more man coverage.

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Speaker 1: But I understand why they play zone. You can't just

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Speaker 1: sit there and play straight man all day and expect

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Speaker 1: to make a living that way. But they if they

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Speaker 1: you know, with the mix that they were able to do,

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Speaker 1: you know, they were able to rally. But I thought

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Speaker 1: what got them back in the game was their ability

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Speaker 1: to play some man coverage they were giving they were

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Speaker 1: playing that zone. They were just giving them too much,

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Speaker 1: too much space. And if the safeties aren't going to

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Speaker 1: come up yeah and help out or help out deep,

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Speaker 1: you're right, you're gonna be in trouble. Yep. That first

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Speaker 1: drive was very indicative of that. Yeah, they were playing

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Speaker 1: five seven yards off the scrimmage. Okay, well I'll just

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Speaker 1: run a slant right and if your linebacker doesn't drop

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Speaker 1: fast enough, yeah, add he owes, I'm gone. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: just to me. It's Rod Marinelli, I think does a

589
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: nice job with this, and you know he will mix

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Speaker 1: up some coverages if he feels like something is not working.

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Speaker 1: It's like the really good defenses in the National Football

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Speaker 1: they have a first half defense and a second half defense.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like that Rod probably had to go

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Speaker 1: to his second half defense early in that game because

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Speaker 1: he didn't give Carson Palmer the same look that he

596
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Speaker 1: did in the earlier Again, he was getting torched and

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00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: he knew it. He had to do something. There was

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Speaker 1: a difference coming in that there was a difference and once,

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Speaker 1: like Micky was talking about earlier, though, the defense held

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Speaker 1: g in there, you know, and then the offense found

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Speaker 1: a way to get the thing tied. And now that

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Speaker 1: then the defense, with some confidence, was able to make

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Speaker 1: some plays. And that's you know. I think that I

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Speaker 1: think that they're more indicative of how they play is

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Speaker 1: in the second half. The way they were playing at

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Speaker 1: first half, I didn't quite to me. Micky's right, free

607
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Speaker 1: access inside, safety's not coming forward. You do those things,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get killed. And they they were lucky. They

609
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: were lucky that that a that they didn't they weren't

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Speaker 1: down fourteen in nothing, you know, because of the whole Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we had a caller last week talk about this and

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Speaker 1: the question was, are they a little hesitant with the

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Speaker 1: youth that they have back there? You think that's a factor,

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Speaker 1: And they just said, screw it. In the second half,

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00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: we got a man up against these guys. I think

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Speaker 1: something to that. I think there is like a screw

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Speaker 1: up mentality. Well, no, they're just scared too. They don't

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Speaker 1: want to Yeah, right, but but you look at but

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Speaker 1: if you look at the guys at practice last week,

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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, I can understand in the Denver game

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Speaker 1: where where Jordan Lewis doesn't get a lot of work

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Speaker 1: in practice and you're a little nervous about playing him,

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Speaker 1: But all everybody that stepped up, Scandrick Brown, Jordan Lewis.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see Ben Wickery on the field at all.

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00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: I think that he had maybe special team stuff. I

626
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: saw that Xavier Woods playing Xavier Woods was playing the slot.

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Speaker 1: We talked about that last week. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's you guys might be onto something the scary factor,

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Speaker 1: but the guys did practice. Now, if you're not practicing

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Speaker 1: every week and you and you're throwing you out there

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Speaker 1: and you're saying, okay, you go from being Scout team

632
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Speaker 1: card guy reader to going out and playing sixty snaps,

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Speaker 1: I get it. But man it to me, it just

634
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 1: that tape showed me that, hey, maybe you do need

635
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: to play a little bit more man coverage. Maybe it

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00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: is about clogging things up. Maybe it is trying to

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Speaker 1: you know, too deep safeties. Guys running underneath Shaan Lee

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Speaker 1: carrying a back out of the backfield, maybe that's what

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Speaker 1: you do, take advantage of the speed we're talking about. Hey,

640
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: I like it. And let's talk about another guy who

641
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: had a bounce back game, but not in the sense

642
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: from last week. Jalen Smith played in the stadium where

643
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: he suffered his almost career ending injury that a lot

644
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: of people questioned his ability to come back and play football.

645
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: We've all admitted it was something that was so unknown.

646
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: It was kind of an underlying storyline. There was a

647
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: lot of stuff pre game and different things throughout the

648
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: game to watch, but very important to see Jayleen Smith.

649
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: He took a moment after the game ended. I don't

650
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: know if you guys got to see this. He walked

651
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: over there and kind of, you know, looked like he

652
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: knelt and just kind of made some acknowledgment to like, thanks, Yeah,

653
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: came out of that game a winner. Yeah, last day

654
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: he did and came out of that stadium a winner.

655
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: And he shared a post on social media about it beforehand,

656
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: Zeke's in the pictures and everything and said some people

657
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: don't know how much it goes into all this, but

658
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: there he was last night, full circle, right, full circle crazy,

659
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: you know. Mickey brought up something about it, and I

660
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: think correct when I'm wrong Mickey, though, but you were

661
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: worried about him in coverage a little bit. You saw

662
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of that though at the end of

663
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: that game though, when the pass that went to Golden

664
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: when they were driving at the end, and I made

665
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: a middle note of that when I saw it, I said,

666
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: Mickey talked about this last week. He was worried about

667
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: the fact that the guy, if he had to go

668
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: take a guy flat coverage, get to the outside, get

669
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: all the way the outside, and Carson Palmer, they hit Golden,

670
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: the wide receiver. He was in courage on Golden broke

671
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: to the outside. That's something you're gonna have to keep

672
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: an eye on. Yeah, I totally agree with the moment

673
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: and him playing and all that and getting through it.

674
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: What it meant to him, absolutely, But like you say,

675
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: going forward, if you want to evaluate Hey runs the run.

676
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: Defensive part of it was outstanding, I thought for him

677
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: getting away, he was taking on blocks, getting off and

678
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: getting into place, him and Sean Lee both, but the

679
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: coverage aspect, and again that was something I thought about

680
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: when with Mickey said before Hey, a concern would be

681
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: for me if he had to carry a guy to

682
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: the flat and to the outside. I mean he had

683
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: seven tackles. Yeah, but it seems like when he gets

684
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: in those situations it takes him too many steps to

685
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: get I think he would normally bright with one or

686
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: two steps, right, It's almost like he's got to get

687
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: get his get along going. You know, Oh, you may

688
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: have Hitchens back here pretty soon to help with Yeah. No,

689
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: not to totally replace him, but just another linebacker in

690
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: that use. No, it was good. It was good. It's

691
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: good to see him out there and making place. Don't

692
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I'm just trying to say Mickey made

693
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: a really good point about that about hey, what do

694
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: you worry about and if you do get into a

695
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: game where it's tight, tough and all that. I mean,

696
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: there was they had a lead at the time where

697
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: it was a two possession game, but if it was

698
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: one of those things where okay, they're trying to go

699
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: for the game when he touched down and now the

700
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: ball goes the flat and you're going, oh my god,

701
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: he just you know, he gave up a first down

702
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: right there, or gave up a big play. It's something

703
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: you just kind of keep an eye on. But I

704
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: thought it was a good point that he made. Another

705
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, and checking on Hitchens before the game.

706
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: He's getting close, yeah, and getting ready. I asked the question.

707
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: I asked, I said, so what do you do when

708
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: he gets back? And it was like play him? I go,

709
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: where are you playing him? He goes, play him? Yeah,

710
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: he goes, you're talking to maj Jalen. Smith's not playing

711
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: every play right, and it's like, you know, we can

712
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: play him at strong side. It's not his best spot,

713
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: but he's pretty darn good to have him one. Okay, yeah,

714
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: well another full circle moment that a lot of people

715
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: didn't see. And sorry, we'll get back. Oh no, no,

716
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad he asked that question. It was a Monday

717
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: Night game, so that meant that the ESPN Monday Night

718
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: crew was going to be in the building. Obviously they

719
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: have heavyweight names and Randy Moss, Charles Woodson, Hasselbeck and

720
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: of course Steve Young. You know, all these different guys.

721
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner was around. It was a big night. But

722
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: one one guy I saw run up to Randy Moss.

723
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: You know, you think the greatest receiver. You know a

724
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: lot of people looked up to him for the team's

725
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: generation now. Ryan Switzer ran up to Randy Moss and

726
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this might be awkward for anyone.

727
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: Did you get to see it, Mick? It was not.

728
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: It was early pre game and so it was when

729
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: they were coming out they were still in sweats, like

730
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: they weren't even in their gear. Why, well, I know

731
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: why because they're both West Virginia's Virginians. And I talked

732
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: to Ryan Switzer right after that was like, that was

733
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: nat and he goes, you have no idea how much

734
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: looked up to him. It's my hero. Like he was like,

735
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm like shaking right and they it was like a

736
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: brief moment and Shannon got a picture of him, put

737
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: it on social and said, you know, hey, just catching

738
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: up pregame, and Randy Moss shared it again and said, hey,

739
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: some West Virginia boys. It's so Ryan Switzer had a

740
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: good game. We saw some things we hadn't seen from him.

741
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: What were you impressed with? From what he was able

742
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: to do in special teams and played more offense than

743
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: we've seen him before. Iran hinted it that we saw

744
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: him a little bit. They had a little plan for

745
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: him with carrying the ball in the in the offense. Well,

746
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: at one point I think you said you were like

747
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: Reran Switzers in the backfield. Yeah, yeah, I was like,

748
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: where's where's Zeke? Where Zeke? But I mean, I've been

749
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: waiting to see him get as part of that group.

750
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: But I think we talked about his explosiveness as a

751
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: returner and his decisiveness, and that return was huge early

752
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: in the game for this offense to just give them

753
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: some kind of fuel position because they weren't able to

754
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: sustain drives early in the game. You know, I don't

755
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: think they got this play percentage sheet right because they

756
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: had hearts. They had him in the backfield for at

757
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: least two plays. One of them was called back when

758
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: a Yeah, one was a no play, it was an

759
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: off it was a legal motion against because I thought

760
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: I thought twice they had him lined up in the slot.

761
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: They they motioned him, motioned him yeah, the motion because

762
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: they only had him down yeah, yeah, yeah, and then

763
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: yeah and then and then Hannah got emotion. Pilly. Let

764
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: me tell you where he was a factory. He and

765
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: Chris Jones were better, were better than Andy Lee and

766
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: whoever they put back there. Returning in their game, whether

767
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: it was uh, was it Peterson or Williams? Yeah, whoever

768
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: they put back there. And I wrote this last night,

769
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: and you guys are gonna laugh at me for this,

770
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: but I think that that that Chris Jones was my

771
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: MVP of this game. Yesterday. Hey, you called him the

772
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: MVP of the first game. Yes, yeah, absolutely, And and

773
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, and everybody say, well, hey what about Dad. Okay,

774
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: broad Us, you're just being you know, you're being weird here,

775
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: and I'm okay with that. But if you look at

776
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: what he did with the seven punts, four inside the twenty,

777
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: you know, everything every time the Cowboys got the ball,

778
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: it was a short field within was within the Denver

779
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: Denver the Arizona fifty yard line. You know, you think

780
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: about Chris and I've been home last night at one

781
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: forty eight in the morning. They had a replay on

782
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: Amy Lawrence all night and she had Bruce Arians on

783
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: and Bruce Arians goes, you know, he's saying, we didn't

784
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: flip the field. We didn't flip the field. We didn't

785
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: do a good enough job of flipping the field. I

786
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys flipped the field. They even uh, what

787
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: was it was it a third and long and they

788
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: just kind of did a little dump off to Zeke

789
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: because they were comfortable playing field position. I think they

790
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: wound up getting the ten yard game. Yes, if he

791
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: would just waited a tick longer, he had he had

792
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams. Just those punt returns and even the kickoff returns.

793
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: You see when he runs, Yes, he runs, no fear,

794
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: no fight. That one he came up on that punt

795
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: and fought on the run. Yeah. I turned to Derek

796
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: and I go, he's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. There's no fear.

797
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: There's no fear in the way he plays. And you

798
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: know you could see that when he was at North

799
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: Carolina that that kind of that ability. And I see

800
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: why the Cowboys, you know, it was him and Pump Free,

801
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: the guy from San Diego State they were looking at

802
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: and you know they they got a guy that can

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00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: return punts, her return kicks. And like we said last week,

804
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: we let you guys know that, hey, he could be

805
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: part of this offense too. You know that's that's where

806
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: you have to, you know that use him as many

807
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: ways as you can. He's a better version of Lucky White.

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00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: It a better version of him Switzer on all of it,

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00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: and even you know Barry Switzer talking about the family origin,

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Speaker 1: night in the studio in the UH, in the UH.

852
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: What's our He dropped by Academiescademy Sports outdoors. Yeah, I

853
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: went brain dead there for a minute. Yeah. We had

854
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: some little bit. Yeah, a few other things to remember.

855
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 1: And at the Ford Center at the no Ford Center,

856
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: don't say the ass at Ford Center at Ford Center. Yeah,

857
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: teacher wouldn't be happy. I got yelled. I got yelled

858
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: at one day for that one too. I get yelled

859
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: a pretty much every day about that kind of stuff.

860
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: But let's get yelled at from the fans. What did

861
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: they yell at you last night? Rob? With your awesome

862
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: pool that I voted in? Did you you did it? Immediately?

863
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: Sit on the plane doing it? You guys sitting on

864
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: the plane vote? I think what was on the butt?

865
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: Knocked it out on the bus? Hey, DeMarcus Lawrence, Hey,

866
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 1: six and a half sacks could have had more. I'm

867
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: curious to know what people think his season total will

868
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: be by the end of the season. Brian said, don't.

869
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't want him to fall off. I don't want

870
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: to fall off. The minimum I gave him was twelve. Okay,

871
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: that's the first option. That's that's less than double what

872
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: he's gotten. He's only three games in twelve, fifteen, twenty

873
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: or twenty three. Hashtag move over, Michael Strahan, do you

874
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: think you can bring the NFL record at this point?

875
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: What do you guys think? So? Then the Cowboys the

876
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: whole offseason is what is DeMarcus Lawrence's contract? Well, no,

877
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: it's already started. Yeah, radio franchise Ye. But Mickey's right

878
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: though on this, and the number will dictate if anybody

879
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: can help him, you know, and I talk about Collins,

880
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: but who on the other side can help him? You

881
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: know who can be because all of a sudden, it's

882
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: going to be um. Okay, let's make him play a

883
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: little wider, Let's put a tight end over there, let's

884
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: chip a back off. And you know teams are not

885
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: gonna let him just Rea havoc over there anymore. I

886
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: don't think so, especially if they have bad Now coaches

887
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: are cavalier and they'll say, Okay, bad player, block him.

888
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: We'll see you know, they'll be that way, but they'll

889
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: put a tight end on Yeah. I think that if

890
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: if he gets twelve, if he gets twelve, I think

891
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: that's a heck of a year. I really really do.

892
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: What did you say day? She voted for twenty twenty three?

893
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: Give it to the man I am with Mickey. Show

894
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: me when you're not going to do something. Yeah, fifteen

895
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: fifteen right in the middle. That's what the fans said.

896
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: You're right, they said forty five percent did that he

897
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: would get fifteen sacks three Like those are the people? Well,

898
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: they just effort, baby like it. Maybe I'm bad math,

899
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: go bigger, go home. Let's say got six and a

900
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: half in three games on pace for thirty four. Yeah,

901
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: ten in one game, You're gonna be absolutely nightmare. Maybe

902
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: not a bad start. I'm kidding, no, no, no, I

903
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: was just thinking myself. I'm linking here. I'm saying twelve,

904
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: and you know, you guys might very well be right.

905
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: You might be very well be right about eight. That's

906
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Yeah, have eight, but he missed games. Yeah,

907
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: Mickey run past a couple he's run past the cup,

908
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: over run it a couple of times. Law I would

909
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: just respect to you lay in the law didn't we

910
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: have didn't we have a little question about MALIEK. Collins

911
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: like the beginning eight or eight? Right? Eight? Yeah? It

912
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: was eight. Yeah, it was one of the thanks for

913
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: remembering the game, Mickey. Yeah, it was one of those

914
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: one of those crystal balls. Signed. I signed up for eight.

915
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: He did. He was my rank them guy too, But

916
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: you beat me. I said he was gonna make the

917
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl MALIEK. Collins? Yeah, we did? You get eight

918
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: sacks from the defensive tackle spot. You probably aren't man

919
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: any man? Lawrence to help him a little bit more.

920
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: I thought you took who took Dak? Somebody took Dak?

921
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: I thought rank them and somebody I took. I took

922
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith? Okay, who did I take? I'm supposed to

923
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: remember these things. I forgot my dress. No, I can't

924
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: say Dak Dak was good. I did Dak bounce back game? Well?

925
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: We could all split that one. I think Mickey had

926
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: him with Lawrence the pulling. I had it the week

927
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: before with them too. Are you gonna go again? Man?

928
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: But Nate right, Yeah, just give me the offensive line,

929
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: Nate Cowboy winner, lose win, beautiful. It was a very

930
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: interesting game and pregame last night. The storyline wasn't about

931
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: the game as much as was about what they were

932
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: going to do prior to the game. And you know,

933
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: Mickey and Rob and I were on the sidelines, and

934
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: it was an interesting tone because of everything that happened

935
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: over the weekend. You all know, if you're listening to

936
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: the show, you're an NFL fan. We don't have to

937
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: hash that out for you guys. You know what was

938
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: the storyline we're talking about, and we're talking about the

939
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,959
Speaker 1: national anthem, But regardless, it came down to all eyes

940
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: on the Dallas Cowboys and the Arizona Cardinals last night.

941
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny. You know a lot of

942
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: people can talk about two teams like just such perfect teams.

943
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: You know, you have Dallas Cowboys, America's team, Jerry Jones

944
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: is the head of it all, and then you have

945
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, very conservative owner as well, and of

946
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: course Pat Tillman. That Pat Tillman statue outside is absolutely stunnying.

947
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: I hope anyone who was able to go to the

948
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: game last night. Got to see that remarkable job they

949
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: did out there, but you know, it was kind of

950
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: a tone and I think, you know, we were trying

951
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: to get to see what was happening. There were different

952
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: sources coming out with new stories throughout the day. I

953
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: was trying to talk to different players, you know, Christie

954
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: Scales went up to talk to Byron Jones, who has

955
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: two brothers who are currently in the military serving right now,

956
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: and just getting their tone on it. We were on

957
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: the pregame show and we looked over and the entire

958
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: family was kind of huddled over with an interesting face

959
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: that looked you couldn't tell if they were mad, if

960
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: they were upset or what they were, but obviously thinking.

961
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: And the plan ended up being that they came out.

962
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 1: So this was funny, and I'm sure you guys saw

963
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: it too, so join in. But you see the big

964
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: flag coming out, and you know, okay, here it is,

965
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: here's the moment we've kind of all been waiting for

966
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: and see it. And then you see the team go

967
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: in front of the flag and I was looking at

968
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: Dave and I was like, are they gonna not let

969
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: the flag out? You know, And you don't know the timing.

970
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: They know the timing, at least from where we were sitting.

971
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: And they all stood there and the security is yelling

972
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: at the media, get off the field, get off the field,

973
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: and Jerry is crawling them back and say no, stay

974
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: here because he knows, but no one else knew. So Jerry,

975
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, they kneel at the same time, take a moment.

976
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: It's been revealed that they were in a moment of

977
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: prayer to pray for unity and equality and justice in

978
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 1: our country. Stand up, return to the sideline, and all

979
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: stands during the national anthem, arm in arm, some holding

980
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: onto the flag, just taking that moment. And so, you know, personally,

981
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was handled very well. At social media

982
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: will tell you many other different opinions, so just stay

983
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: true to your own for this one. But personally I

984
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: thought it was a very well done thing by a

985
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: team that was a hard situation and a very challenging tasks.

986
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: I know, I said a lot, No you said so

987
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: when they did that deal arm in arm on the

988
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: numbers they were lined up, if I remember correctly, you

989
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 1: were watching on TV, right or you guys, yes, sir,

990
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: but we didn't have that, you know, they folk show

991
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: it right. They focused Actually it's funny because they focused

992
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: on Jerry Junior. Was kind of like that. And then

993
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: and then it went they went to commercial, right, they know,

994
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: they went to commercially. They said, we're going to come

995
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: back with the national anthem, right, but they missed the

996
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 1: kneel down, didn't they know? They showed it? Did they

997
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: come back Jerry Junior whoever? The group that Jerry Junior

998
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: was with, Yeah, neeled down, right, I saw that. And

999
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: then and then they went to Jerry Jones kneeled down.

1000
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: So that was the pan shot you had. It went

1001
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: from one end down to where Jerry was was kneeled down.

1002
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: That's what TV had. And then you know the reaction

1003
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: in the stadium immediately they started and they didn't understand

1004
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: what was happening because I think they thought they were

1005
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: going to kneel there for the national anthem and people

1006
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: would just watch, right, what did they think the flag

1007
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: was going to go and cover over them? Just a

1008
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: sensitive time, I know, I know, but overreaction, you know,

1009
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: just like Twitter, overreaction. And I thought they accomplished what

1010
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: they wanted to do, and then they went back and stood.

1011
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: They didn't, you know, disgrace the flag. They didn't get

1012
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: in the way of the national anthem. Both teams stood

1013
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: their arm in arm on their sidelines to the Cardinals

1014
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: were in the end zone so you could see them

1015
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: because if you're behind the flag, it's really hard to

1016
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: see on the side, right, So they stood there. And

1017
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 1: the debate before the game was they wanted to do

1018
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: something together together, right it sounded like the NFL it

1019
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: didn't like that idea. Yeah, so that got nixed. And

1020
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 1: then it was like I was told twenty minutes before

1021
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: they went out, and it was like, Okay, here's what

1022
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Because they had been debating on it,

1023
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: debating on it, talking about it, and they finally because

1024
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: when I was there, I came up to the press

1025
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: box and they still weren't sure what they were going

1026
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: to do. So I thought they handle it well. And

1027
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: the best part was they handle it as a team.

1028
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: There was no individuals. You did it all together as

1029
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: a team as an organization, and that's not an easy feat.

1030
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: Because I thought Mike Tomlin and Pittsburgh had the right

1031
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: idea and his heart was in the right place. He

1032
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: tried to get his team to do something together and

1033
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: that was to be in the locker room, and the

1034
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: reports were there was one of their players, a former

1035
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: army ranger that stood in the tunnel Elluva. I think

1036
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: that really speaks to the difficulty that was at you take.

1037
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: That speaks to the difficulty of the situation, and that

1038
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: it's it's bigger than sports, and you've got fifty three

1039
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: plus people all with different opinions on this thing, and

1040
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: they try to try to unify. It is difficult because

1041
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: you have to be respectful of people's opinions here. And

1042
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, I think y'all's point did the best thing

1043
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: they could. They recognize the cause, but they also pay tribute.

1044
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: But what happened. What happen is the cause got clouded

1045
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: by what pissed everybody off. And it's what the president said.

1046
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, the protests was don't

1047
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: call me an so ob right. It wasn't okay, we're

1048
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: standing up for this or this or you know, we're

1049
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: protesting that the irracial cause about him? Now, yeah, it

1050
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: was about him, and that's why this all happened, right,

1051
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: That's why I thought the Cowboys made their point. It

1052
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: didn't put their heads in the sand I don't know

1053
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: if I agree with that. I think I see your point.

1054
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: There ain't people are angry with Trump. A lot of

1055
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: people are, well, not just none of them. There were

1056
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: players who protested the week before six I know. But

1057
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: there's also a sense of things have come to a head.

1058
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: They've been building, and there's things, there's themes here that

1059
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: are intersect It's all about the president, you know. I'm sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I just I just want to say real quick,

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Speaker 1: I agree with Mickey on this one. I think this

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Speaker 1: is more about I think this is more about more players.

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Speaker 1: Players might have had, deep in their heart, thought, you know,

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Speaker 1: I need to stand, I need to for the national anthem,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, when President Trump came

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Speaker 1: out and said what he did, that pushed a lot

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Speaker 1: of players from being in the middle to being in.

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Speaker 1: I'm all in now, I'm all in. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: be I'm not gonna let him do this to me,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I think that, you know, I do

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Speaker 1: agree with Mickey. I the president has just yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: just he has stirred things up to the point in

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Speaker 1: this country where you know, it's everybody's on edge. I

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Speaker 1: mean everybody there's there's world leaders that are on edge.

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody's on edge with this, with this president. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think that I think those comments did he

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Speaker 1: made pushed a lot of guys into the Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna do something about this mode now. Yeah. Now, I

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Speaker 1: think the most interesting thing about it And you know,

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Speaker 1: I I see what you guys are both saying why

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Speaker 1: this kind of came to a head and how it

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Speaker 1: was so important this weekend. But it's a curious thing

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Speaker 1: to see when a sports game or a sports team

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Speaker 1: or anybody has a chance to really impact a global issue, because,

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Speaker 1: like you know, I think you said it, Mackey. You know,

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Speaker 1: this was bigger than the game. This was bigger than

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Speaker 1: anything else. They were standing on a topic that affected

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Speaker 1: the entire country. Yeah, it impacted not just Cowboys fans.

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Speaker 1: It impacted more than Cardinals fans, more than people who

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Speaker 1: generally watched the NFL games. It was bigger than that.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you guys have ever seen

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Speaker 1: the movie Race, and it talks about, you know, what

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Speaker 1: happened in the Olympics with Adolph Hitler and different things.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are different Jesse Owens, and there are

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Speaker 1: different times that sports has a chance to do something

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Speaker 1: bigger than just a game. Yeah, well, here's what's going. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: this is why I love sports magage is real quick

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Speaker 1: is I think that it can do that every single

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Speaker 1: week because it brings players, coaches, fans together from all

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Speaker 1: different backgrounds. Every week, you put everything aside, you put

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Speaker 1: your differences aside, and you enjoy something. And that's one

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Speaker 1: thing that frustrated me about the comments that were made

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Speaker 1: by the President was that this is this is something

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Speaker 1: people can escape to and enjoy it, and it kind

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Speaker 1: of got sacrificed. H But but maybe for good, because

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Speaker 1: I think this is an opportunity to create some discussion again.

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Speaker 1: So again, I think it's in a different way. I

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Speaker 1: think sports was able to hopefully can unify us a

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Speaker 1: little bit what we saw this past weekend. Did you

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Speaker 1: guys get a chance to see Cavon Frasier's tweet pregame? No,

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Speaker 1: he shared a tweet, and you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: him personally, and so I'm not going to say much

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Speaker 1: more than just what the tweet basically said. But he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm paraphrasing, and he said, you know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't know how much I put to

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Speaker 1: come here and where. Lots of nights I went to

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Speaker 1: bed hungry, right, And you know you're talking about sports

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Speaker 1: as a chance to do that with different backgrounds. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these guys come together and they may have comfort, bad neighborhoods,

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Speaker 1: bad home life, or had everything, you know, But when

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Speaker 1: you come on that sideline and you're about to play

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Speaker 1: a football game, it's a special moment, you know. I

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Speaker 1: saw one time they did a video piece on just flyovers,

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Speaker 1: what flyovers mean to guys. Well, here's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go back to the old days and the

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Speaker 1: players aren't going to be on the field for the

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Speaker 1: national anthem. Can't keep keep taking role every game, sixteen

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Speaker 1: games a week. These guys did this. These guys did that.

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Speaker 1: And if you remember before TV never showed the Nationals,

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Speaker 1: never did and the players weren't on the field. And

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Speaker 1: I think maybe after nine to eleven, that's true. It

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Speaker 1: all started. It all started. So the NFL's got and

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jones is in New York to New York today

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Speaker 1: they're talking about I think all this stuff, and I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you one of the things is going to be

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Speaker 1: no more players, no more teams on the field for

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Speaker 1: the national anthem. He said on the fan Sorry Toy

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Speaker 1: this morning that possibly what they did last night could

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Speaker 1: be a template for the the league. We'll see. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, but you can't keep doing it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It takes away from the game, doesn't it. It takes

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Speaker 1: away from why you're you're doing this instead of providing

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Speaker 1: a stage for universal protest every week. I think one

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Speaker 1: week it has an impact on everybody. But if you

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Speaker 1: keep doing it, then you start it minimizes what you're

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Speaker 1: trying to say. Yeah, so I think the NFL's got

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Speaker 1: to come up. That's a fair point. We only have

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Speaker 1: about a minute left, but you know, I think you're right, Mickey.

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Speaker 1: You said that Jerry Jones is in New York right now,

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Speaker 1: and it just shows, I mean, the guy is running

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Speaker 1: so much. We know here because we're firsthand here at

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Speaker 1: the Star at Ford Center, and you know, we see

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Speaker 1: everything that he has his hand and he's doing this.

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Speaker 1: He's doing this always the president, owner and GM and

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Speaker 1: he's able to take the moment to be in tune

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Speaker 1: with his team for a very special moment. So it

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Speaker 1: was really great. But We're going to wrap it up

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Speaker 1: for today's show, and you guys can join us at

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Speaker 1: our normal time tomorrow. Normal. What's normal? What is normal? Normal?

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Speaker 1: Eleven thirty am Central Time. Let me write that down. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta stay tuned. M