1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks, sit is Tuesday, January sixth, and give 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: a brother a break. Everybody has some first day jitters 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: at work, and that certainly seemed to be the case 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: for Tony Decoppel on his first night as head of 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: CBS Evening News. And with that, welcome to this episode 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Rowe much anticipated this debut. Obviously 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: it was going to get a lot of eyes, and 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: it was going to get scrutinized. But there seems to 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: be a consistent at least in all the reviews and 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: all the writings about his first day. 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: Well, they actually used his own words to describe his 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: first day, which is, we've got a big problem already 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: the first day, and we already have a big problem 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: here at CBS. 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: It's a he gave it to him. 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: He actually said that on live television in the at 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: least the first feed, the feed that we see here 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: on the East Coast, it was all corrected for leater feeds, 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: which is very typical and standard. 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: He said it live. 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: But he said it live, and there was no taking 22 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: it back. And yeah, when things got a little funky 23 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: technical technically speaking, he called it out and said, we've 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: got first day, I already got big problems here at CBS. 25 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 3: Who Yes, that was the headline and. 26 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: That was a mistake. And we can say that based 27 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: on the industry and all the teachings and the decades 28 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,119 Speaker 1: we have in it. We are going to get into 29 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: this now in roles. We have to be very careful 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: because we don't know this guy and we certainly give 31 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: him whatever benefit of the doubt that he is certainly capable. 32 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: So please, folks understand, all we are doing is giving 33 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: you our thoughts about what we saw and what is 34 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: Isn't it fair to say this is CBS even news 35 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: is the lowest rated, but maybe the most respected. I mean, 36 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: given the history you talk about Cronkite and Burrow and 37 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Rather and this was isn't this the most important seat 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: even though the ratings haven't shown that over the years recent. 39 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: Years, Yes, and you know what a lot of people 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: why not realize that? 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: But within the journalism industry, so maybe those of us 42 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: who have worked and worked in network news, CBS was 43 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: the gold standard for journalism excellence and really what you 44 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: aimed for. And in recent years, yes, when it comes 45 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: to ratings, they have struggled and they have been the 46 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: also ran, and they have been not as regarded, maybe publicly, 47 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: but within the industry. No matter what the ratings were, 48 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: you knew you could look to CBS for doing that 49 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: hard hitting investigative journalism a last sixty Minutes, even these 50 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: really interesting in depth pieces on sixty on a Sunday sorry, 51 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: CBS Sunday Mornings. They just have these brands that people 52 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: knew they could trust for the most accurate, fullest picture possible. 53 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: And I'm just yes to all that. Sixty Minutes is 54 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: still holding on to that. CBS Sunday Mornings is still 55 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: holding on to that. This seat, for whatever reason happened, 56 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: hasn't been able to And it's not just a matter 57 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: of ratings, we should say. I guess moves they've made 58 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: over the years have kind of chipped away, And to 59 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: have so many people in and out of that seat 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: doesn't help either. But for me, you tell me the 61 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: number one anchor job in this industry, You tell me 62 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: the job that even as I was working my way 63 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: up in the industry, it never crossed my mind that 64 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: I could get into that seat. It is that is 65 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: Dan Rather's, Walter Cronkite's fucking seat. 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, it is. 67 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: It prestigious as hell. So yes, we're gonna pay attention 68 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: to Tony Dekople if he's taken over that seat. 69 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: It's a really fair point to make. 70 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: I think any journalist who has aspirations of being in 71 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: the National Forum, basically the top of your game, still 72 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: wouldn't dare say, Yeah, I'm gonna be. 73 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: The evening news anchor. 74 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: That is just a seat that is special and held 75 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: for only a few And I never had that dream 76 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: because I didn't think it was possible either. 77 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: Again, we're mourning people, it's not our lane. That's fine, 78 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: but still there was not that No, weren't that many 79 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: jobs in the industry that I thought. 80 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 4: Nah, don't even try bottom. Yeah, and just this is 81 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 4: just a prestigious seat. So we can honestly say we're 82 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 4: rooting for this guy, we are rooting for this show, 83 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 4: We're rooting for this to work. We're still a part 84 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 4: of this industry robes that has fallen off so much 85 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 4: that we we don't like to see ratings fall. We 86 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: don't like to see some of that shine come off 87 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 4: of these prestigious shows and networks. 88 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: And I don't think any of us want a journalist 89 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: to come off as not being at the top of 90 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: his or her game at this level, because that spakes 91 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 2: so all of us in this industry, like we're all 92 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: a part of it. So if suddenly someone who shouldn't 93 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: be there, doesn't deserve to be there, isn't ready for 94 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: the job, it makes everybody look inept and on and 95 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: so yes, just by that standard alone, I want journalists 96 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 2: to show how smart and how well read and how 97 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: curious they are in the best of ways. 98 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: Too often on these shows, some people do get the 99 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: reputation just a newsreader, just a pretty face, the hair 100 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: is just right, and talking head, yes, talking heads, and 101 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: we obviously know they're overwhelmingly on the network level. That's 102 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: not the case. However, we see it plenty of times 103 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: where there are some people on these shows who cannot 104 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: anchor their way out of a paper bag if they 105 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: had to. And Tony Decoppo had a couple of moments 106 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: last night, and I could absolutely give him a pass 107 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: because it was his first night, and know he was nervous, 108 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,799 Speaker 1: and he looked nervous, and he should have been nervous. 109 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: But there were some moments that there are kids in 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: college right now who know not to do some of 111 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: the stuff he did. 112 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: And look, there is a big transition from being on 113 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: a morning show to doing evening news. 114 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 3: When you've been. 115 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: Able to do both, you literally have to kind of 116 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: flip a switch because when you're on a morning show, 117 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: it's loose. You can be silly. If you make a mistake, 118 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: you can point it out and laugh at it, even 119 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: though they didn't really like that. It's generally not okay 120 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: to do it. But if there was in a lighter moment, 121 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: you could be humble and maybe fall on your own 122 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: sword and make it look like you made it's okay. 123 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: Evening news, it is formal. You want someone who is authoritative, 124 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: someone who is credible, someone who knows what they're saying, 125 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: and who is literally leading and steering the ship. 126 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 3: It's a very different position. 127 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: And you know, you make a point two morning show, 128 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: what do you also have? You have Life Savers right 129 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: next to you. You got an anchor team. Heything goes wrong, 130 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: everybody can cover. If you don't know how to say 131 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: a name, they can jump in. He was out there 132 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: flapping in the wind at times. So let's tell you 133 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: what happened here. Actually, Robes, he was supposed to well 134 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: in December, they made the announcement he was going to 135 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: be leaving CBS Morning Show, where he's been with Gail 136 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: King since twenty nineteen. So he's leaving that show. They 137 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: make the announcement, Okay, getting in the gig. He was 138 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: supposed to start officially January fifth. Yesterday was supposed to 139 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: be his first day, but he had to start early 140 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: Rose because there have to be a little breaking news 141 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: over the weekend with Maduro. So he actually Tony Decoppo 142 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: made an earlier debut than anticipated. You would think maybe 143 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: that I would think that would help things. 144 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: Up for Monday, almost like a trial run. 145 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, when there's breaking it like it's easy at this point, 146 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: the news is right there, just report it. So I 147 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: thought maybe he would be able to get loose and 148 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: he'd be really ready to go on Monday. Now I 149 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: will ropes or all in. We're going to give our 150 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: just observations what we saw. And yes, he's nervous. He 151 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: should be. He looked a little uncomfortable, he was leaning weird. 152 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: He constantly with the papers moving. It drives me. Creek 153 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: stopped shuffling papers. He did it constantly last night. These 154 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: are just little titnus is fine. These are not even 155 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: critiques necessarily, but someone in that office is saying, hey, 156 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: change this. Get a little nervous here, keep an eye 157 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: on this, don't shuffle the paper so much. Blah blah 158 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: blah blah. 159 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: But Robes. 160 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: When we got to the editorial, that is when things 161 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: got scary. And I say scary as someone as people 162 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: who've been watching this industry for a long time, and 163 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: folks were wondering wondering what direction CBS News was going 164 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: to go. I think he gave us a couple of indications. 165 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: He certainly did. 166 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: There were a couple of stories of note that seemed 167 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: to actually, again, did he just say that? 168 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: And one was when he was discussing vaccinations. 169 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: There was the Pete heg Seth interview on the Saturday Show, 170 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: and then there was the conversation about the invasion of 171 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 2: Venezuela and oil prices and why we went into Venezuela 172 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: in the first place and what the aftermath might be. 173 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: It was all a little scary. 174 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: I it was, Okay, it makes me nervous. I hate 175 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: that you. I don't want to just be so hyperbolic here, 176 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: but it was, it was. It was It was alarming 177 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: to see some of the things he was doing, and 178 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't on cable news. 179 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: What I saw was, yes, more exactly what you were 180 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: talking about a cable news interview, because it wasn't about 181 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: being curious. It was about leading whoever you were speaking 182 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: to to say something that you wanted them to say. 183 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: It was less about asking a question that maybe everyone 184 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: was wondering at home and instead saying, but let me 185 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: get you to explain why this is actually a good thing. 186 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 3: There was an agenda. 187 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: A lot of folks will tell you that so many 188 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: in the media have had an agenda for a long time. 189 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: Exactly you were, and so what's the problem now we're 190 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: showing you a different agenda or other side. If you 191 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: want to make that argument, fine, But there weren't whole 192 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: stories being told. You want to criticize an ABC and 193 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: NBC for doing this, then you should be able to 194 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: take it as well. Es we were looking and to 195 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: be frank, folks, all the headlines were consistent about his 196 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: first day. Variety's article is the one that really got 197 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: our attention because they seemed to they seemed to be 198 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: brutal without being They seemed to be they didn't pull 199 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: any punches, I suppose, but it didn't seem mean spirited. 200 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: It wasn't mean spirited at all. 201 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: In fact, they just seemed to point out what we 202 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: all noticed in a very factual way, and unfortunately, in 203 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 2: doing so, it was not a positive story for Tony 204 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: de Coppel or for CBS Evening News. 205 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: I think this is the This is a line from 206 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: the article that helps you understand what we're talking about here. Quote. 207 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: The administration's perspective was aired so thoroughly as to raise 208 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: the question of when an interview becomes a press release. 209 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: That's what they wrote about the hex Seth interview. I 210 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: don't know ropes. This was what it was. The story. 211 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: We did another story earlier today and I only got 212 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: upset after we started recording. I didn't realize how bothered 213 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: I was by it. And this is just it's bothersome 214 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: when it's this type of blatant and look, Tony de Coppel, 215 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: for all intents and purposes, he is there. We haven't 216 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: given the background. We don't have to do. We know 217 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: Trump versus CBS. They paid him sixty million or he 218 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: got upset about a sixty minutes interview. Paramount was bought 219 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: by sky Dance was owned by the Ellisons, who are 220 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: close with Trump. They hire Barry Weiss, an opinion journalist, 221 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: and she is taking the place whatever direction she wants to. 222 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: He looked like he was sitting there making damn sure 223 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 1: he said everything right or he was going to get 224 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: in trouble. 225 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: Several people wrote that he looked afraid, that he had 226 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 2: fear in his face. Now, look, he could have had 227 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: fear in his face, because it's a daunting thing to 228 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: take over the role of Walter Cronkite. Basically, he knows 229 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: the job he has, He knows the gravity of getting 230 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: a position like that, and clearly it's exciting to get it, 231 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: but it's more important to keep it. And that's probably 232 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: the harder of the two. Even as difficult as it 233 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 2: is to get the job, keeping it has proven, at 234 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: least at CBS to be almost harder. And so, yes, 235 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: he looked afraid. So some people were saying it was 236 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: as if Barry Weiss he knows the second he says 237 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: the wrong thing, or does the wrong thing, or says 238 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: something she doesn't like, he's out. And so that was 239 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 2: what people were attributing the look on his face to 240 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: fairly or unfairly, that's just what was written. 241 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: You know what, We're gonna hold this stay here. As 242 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: soon as we come back, We're gonna immediately get into 243 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: the key moment that had us jaws dropped and we 244 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: were rewinding several times to make sure we heard what 245 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: we had just heard. We'll explain that moment. We'll also 246 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: explain what you were saying as well, Robes big problems 247 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: here at CBS. Yes, he said that. We will give 248 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: you the verbatim of that fumbling moment that so many 249 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: are talking about, and also let you know where CBS News, 250 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: the Evening News is in the ratings and how much 251 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: work they got to do. Moving forward with mister Tony. 252 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: Di coppol, Welcome back to Amy and TJ. We are 253 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 2: talking about the debut of the news, CBS Evening News 254 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: with Tony d Copple. It officially launched on Monday night, 255 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 2: and there are a lot of opinions about what we 256 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: all saw yesterday evening and they've all kind of reached 257 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 2: a consensus that Tony dacopple, they're concerned about whether or 258 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 2: not he's ready for primetime, and they're more concerned perhaps 259 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: about the direction the Evening News is taking with him 260 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: at the helm. 261 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm okay with the I don't know if he's primetime. 262 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: He's done the morning show at the network level for 263 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: five six years now. He should be ready for this, 264 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: so I will give him a pass on being ready 265 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: for primetime. 266 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 3: Is your first night, Yes, we all have to we 267 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: all have rough broadcasts. 268 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: Yes it happens. 269 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: We've all made mistakes, and in he might know way 270 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: better than to call. We'll get into what happened to 271 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: call out a problem. But sometimes when you get nervous there, 272 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 2: you just have a knee jerk reaction, and when you're 273 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 2: on live television, you cannot take it back. So that 274 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: may have been what happened, But maybe perhaps even more 275 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: concerning is what happened just before that very obvious gaff 276 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: that happened. He came out of a piece that was 277 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 2: discussing what happened in Venezuela, and so then he spoke. 278 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,479 Speaker 1: To what was Jill Business correspond. 279 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: Business correspondent, and they really did treat this as a 280 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 2: business story, less about a political story or a controversial story, 281 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: or a legal story kind of all of that was 282 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: ignored and it was more a business story about gas prices, 283 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: and so when he finished talking to her, he wanted 284 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: to explain something to the American people who were listening. 285 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: This is the part and I couldn't tell you after 286 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: he did it, but he was setting up to a 287 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: point where he looked nervous, like he knew something was coming, 288 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: and he was We've done this plenty. You're so focused 289 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: on the next thing that you screw up what you're 290 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: doing at the time, and he just looked out of 291 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: sorts as he was rapping and saying thank you to Jill, 292 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: and she said something what he said, No, you're awesome, right? 293 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: No? 294 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 3: She uh? What was the word he used? It was bizarre. 295 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: It was just an awkward. 296 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: Transition, an awkward moment, and not something you're used to hearing, 297 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: certainly at this desk. So he wrapped her up and 298 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: then he turns to the camera for a one shot 299 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: and he's not telling a story. But this is the 300 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: zact precise quote and we should share it, heroes. But again, 301 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: we're not actually going to interpret any of us. This 302 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: is his exact quote after he rapped with the reporter 303 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: about oil prices. 304 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: So, as you just heard from Jill, we should not 305 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 2: expect this to affect gas prices all that much, which 306 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: does raise the question of exactly how now it helps 307 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 2: the United States, and if it helps the United States 308 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: at all, which is it actually about. 309 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 3: Well, if you zoom. 310 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 2: Out a bit, you can maybe see the outlines of 311 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: an answer. For decades, Russia, China, and Iran have been 312 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 2: rebuilding a presence in Venezuela, a base of power and 313 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 2: influence in the hemisphere. With Maduro now out, that base 314 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: of power and influence could be out too. That sounds 315 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: like propaganda one oh one written by the White House. 316 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: What And he looked like he knew he was doing 317 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: something wrong. That was the look on his face. As 318 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: a journalist, he knew he was reading talking points political 319 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: talking points. 320 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: He gave even a justification for what we did. This 321 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: is how it could be beneficial to us that he 322 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: could speculate all he wants. He's more than welcome to. 323 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: But for us, if you say this, expert said, if 324 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: you said, these political watchers now they are saying in 325 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: this is a part of what's gotten him in trouble 326 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: or a lot of the critique ropes is that he 327 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: has gone out there and gone out of his way 328 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: to promote this show and his journalism as something different. 329 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 3: Can I please read his words? 330 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 1: Please? 331 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: He pledged this to viewers. 332 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: You come first, not advertisers, not politicians, not corporate interests, 333 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: and yes that does include the corporate owners of CBS. 334 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 3: I report for you. 335 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: I can promise you will be more accountable and more 336 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: transparent than Cronkite or anyone else of his era. 337 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: You gotta pump the breaks on Kronkite. You got. It's 338 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: like saying, yeah, this is a better melody than Prince 339 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: ever wrote. I mean, slow down. There's just some things 340 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: you don't mess with. Don't challenge, don't tell me you're 341 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: doing anything better than Cronkite that is going to get 342 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: you immediate criticism. 343 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 3: Just do better and see if they write about it. 344 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: What was this thing he said? Make me earn it, right, 345 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: he said, don't just trust me, make me earn your 346 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: trust to your point there, Yes, you don't have to 347 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: tell us you're better than Cronkite. We're willing to give 348 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: you a shot here. We will watch. But that that 349 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: line robes that entire reading of it. And when you 350 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: watch him do it, it did it looked like some 351 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: kind of bizarre It didn't look like it was willing, 352 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: He didn't deliver it with confidence. He looked like he 353 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: was being made by his teacher to apologize to the class. 354 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: It was just this is just an impression. We don't 355 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: know this guy, This is not personal at all. But 356 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: when we've watched enough news robes and we know what 357 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: we heard and what we were seeing from him in that. 358 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 2: Moment, and look, our job is journalists, I want to 359 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: point this out, is to question our government, is to investigate, 360 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: to not just take things at face value, and certainly 361 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: not to explain or justify our leader's actions. And that's 362 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: what we saw, and that's what's concerning. And our job 363 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: is to question who is running our country from both 364 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: sides of the aisle, Republicans and Democrats. So if you 365 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: want to say people are softer on this or harder 366 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 2: on that, I get that. But the point being is 367 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: you always are supposed to question, You're always supposed to 368 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: be curious. 369 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: That is our job. It is not to advocate. 370 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 2: For or justify or explain why someone did something controversial. 371 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 2: That's what's concerning about it. That's why it doesn't feel right. 372 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: It didn't feel right, and I want to I'm trying 373 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: to give this a a journalistic lean, right, Maybe do 374 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: they see this as interpreting or giving a perspective You're 375 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: not hearing elsewhere? Is there a perspective here he introduced 376 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: it or said it as possibilities that influence that base 377 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: of power could be out to. It was I don't 378 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: I just it stopped. We immediately and watching this broadcast, 379 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: that was the thing that we've stopped and went, what 380 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: in God's name is that? And look, I'm trying to 381 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: find a way to say, yo, let them do the thing. 382 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: This is how they want to go about it. How 383 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: that was anything other than what is being described in 384 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: a lot of places. Robes and right after that, this 385 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: is the thing that at least got the most headlines. 386 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: Probably is as soon as he delivered that line and Robes, 387 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: he flubbed the thing he did before, and he flubbed 388 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: the thing he did right after, which you know. 389 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: As a nous that is when you know something's wrong 390 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: and then you mess up all around it. 391 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 3: And that is exactly what happened, because. 392 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: He was so focused on getting that right that he 393 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: didn't stay in the moment of those other segments. And 394 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: again we can suggest We've seen this a million times. 395 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: We've done it a million times to ourselves. But right 396 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: after he made that I guess declaration or giving us 397 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: more context or pulling back as he said, this is 398 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: where things got off the rails. Technically sure, but Robes, 399 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: you want to take the verbatim here. It's kind of 400 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: weird to read, but what you're about to hear, folks 401 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: verbatim word for word. His next segment, it didn't go 402 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: right because they had the wrong video up and he 403 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: wasn't sure where to go. But this is how he handled. 404 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: It to other news, as you just heard from Jill 405 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 2: Well to other news. Now to Governor Wallace. No, we're 406 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: going to Mark Kelly. He starts shaking his head. First day, 407 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 2: first day, big problems here. Uh are we going to 408 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: Kelly here? Or are we going to go to Jonah 409 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: Kaplan Like he's literally talking to his producers on live television. 410 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,679 Speaker 2: Now there is four seconds of silence. That's an eternity 411 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 2: in live television. 412 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: It's insane. 413 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: Then he finally says where Mark Kelly possibly demoted from 414 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 2: his rank of captain in the navy, and then he 415 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: goes on to tell the story. 416 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 3: But to me, the flub. 417 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: Yes, is making the headlines, but what preceded the flub 418 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: is what actually we should be focused on. 419 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: And I'm worried about him a little bit. Robes here Again. 420 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: People have these moments. But when you're in that seat, 421 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: your job, you get the big bucks right because it 422 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you throw at me, the viewer is 423 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: never going to know anything wrong. Watch me handle this. 424 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: I am the anchor, the anchor of this all. I 425 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: am running this show. We are going here, we are 426 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: going here next. Oh, that's the wrong video. Let me 427 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: tell you about that. You just keep it rolling. 428 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: You say, hey, I know you guys are seeing Mark 429 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 2: Kelly's face about me, but what we're talking about is this, 430 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: and you just keep going. And I'm assuming usually if 431 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: you are the CBS Evening News anchor, you are also 432 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 2: the managing editor. 433 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 3: Act like one. You need to take charge. 434 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: I know it's tough, it's his first day on the job, 435 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 2: but that is one of the more important parts of 436 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 2: the job is to take charge and to lead. 437 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: That was concerning that on this level that happened. Look, 438 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: we've seen a bunch of Look I've been responded many, 439 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: We've got countless. 440 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 2: We have you and I were in cable news. I mean, 441 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: I wouldn't, Oh my goodness. 442 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: But that's where you learn to handle these things. It's 443 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: all live. It's all live. So yes, there is a 444 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: different skill set. Give him a pass there, but it 445 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: is a little concerning. And four seconds, folks, doesn't seem 446 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: like a long time if you're watching television and there 447 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: is nothing being said on a broadcast for four seconds. Rhodes, 448 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: let's show what four seconds looks like. You're ready starting Now, 449 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: that's a long time. It is a long time in 450 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: a broadcast. Yeah, network show. So it look, it was 451 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: a rough start, and we're trying look some of this. 452 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: In our job, we talk about these things. The hardest 453 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: thing for us to do is to critique anything else 454 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: from broadcast news because some of these people are our 455 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: friends and our colleagues, and we know what they're going through. 456 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: We know it, so this is not personal. Think he's 457 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: going to be okay, actually rooting for him. 458 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: He had a rough start, Yeah he did. 459 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: And we didn't even mention the fact that when he 460 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 2: has to follow up about vaccinations, he came at it 461 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 2: from the perspective of anti vaxxers. He didn't say parents 462 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 2: are going to have a lot of questions. They're going 463 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: to be confused, so parents are going to have so 464 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 2: we said, there are parents who are celebrating this. So 465 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: he actually asked the follow up through the lens of 466 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: anti vaxxers. That was deeply disturbing as well. 467 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: Again, it's in some might be looking at wow. George 468 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: Stephanopolis never would have asked the question that way. It's 469 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: a relief to have another side represent it. 470 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: Yes, I hear you, but then that is cable news, 471 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: and if you are actually a CBS network news you 472 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 2: there is a way to ask both. You know, for 473 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: people who are celebrating and people who are concerned, what 474 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: do you say to them? 475 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: As a physician, you can acknowledge both. 476 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: Seemed like there was possibly an agenda and if that's 477 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: what they want to do, that's okay. But we're seeing 478 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: what we're seeing Tony rooting for you, h really and 479 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: room for that chair and rooting for a lot of 480 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: people at that network network quite frankly, and there's some 481 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: work to do on the CBS Evening News. I can't 482 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: remember the last time they were competitive, but they've been 483 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: a distant third for a long time. 484 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 3: Yes, late latest ratings. 485 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: You have here ABC seven point five million, NBC six million, 486 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 2: n CBS at four point two million, So they do 487 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: have a lot of ways to. 488 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: Go, all right, but we will keep an eye certain 489 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: this is must see TV now and you know he 490 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: can't wait to get back on TV tonight to get 491 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: that one behind. 492 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: He wants redemption show. Yes, that was understandable. 493 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: You remember that that was the best thing every time 494 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: you screwed up a show. 495 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, I get tomorrow. 496 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 1: I got another chance tomorrow. So Tony, you got another 497 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: chance tonight. We will be watching. Good luck to you 498 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: all over there. I always appreciate you all spending some 499 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: time here with us. But for my dear Amy Robock, 500 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: I am t J. Holmes. You will talk to the 501 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: Ulson