1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Weston Hodkowits were coming to 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at lambeau Field West. Yesterday 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: we got our second look this spring at a Packers 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: organized team activity also known as an O T A. 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: And UH, I want to start with we have a 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: lot of observations obviously from this uh this practice we 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: got to witness, But I want to start with what 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: you brought up in our three Things video that we 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: did at the end of practice with Larry McCarron, because 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: you talked about what you saw from first round draft 13 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: pick Eric Stokes, and UM, I just want you to 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: expand on that because he he was he was an 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: interesting guy to watch when they went to the eleven 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: on eleven work there towards the tail end of the workout, 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: and as we found out after practice, he actually also 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: signed his first round pick contract. So I don't know 19 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: if he had a little extra juice. You know, there 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: was suddenly a bunch more money in his bank account. 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: We know that, So I tend to show up a 22 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: little bit better after bonus Day, right, at least I do, 23 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: But no, I mean, here, here's what you look for 24 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: during the off season program, right, because it's non contact, 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: it's it's usually big moments. But what stood out to 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: me the most about Eric Stokes is he took a 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: really good first open practice that we were able to 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: be at, and I felt like he followed up on 29 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: it in the second one, stringing those together. We don't 30 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: know what the other practices were liking to. We're not there. 31 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: We're not there every day at this point. We can 32 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: only see what's in front of us. And what I 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: saw Mike is a guy that his body awareness and 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: positioning is exceptional for a rookie player. The forty time, 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: as I said during Three Things Sub four three forty time, 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna obviously catch your attention. The breaking out with 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: the interceptions last year at Georgia, that's going to catch 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: your attention because that's something he lacked before his his 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: final season there. But it was the fact that, you know, 40 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: there was a stat that stood out to me from 41 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus about how he had like the lowest 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: UH passer rating allowed in man coverage in college football 43 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: last year, where I think at least a hundred snaps 44 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: with the like eighteen point five. And when I watched 45 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: him in practice and especially during the team periods that 46 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: we were able to see, you see why this guy 47 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: is so hard to complete a pass against one. He's 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: pretty long and lengthy for the position too. He has 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: great speed so that if he is out of position, 50 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: the recovery is going to be there, especially waiting for 51 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: that ball to arrive. But three, it's how he positions 52 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: himself to narrow that window that catch radius for the receiver. 53 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: There was one plan. Again, I understand Davante Adams isn't 54 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: here right now, but he's going up against Reggie Bagelton, 55 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: the practice squad receiver from last season that's coming back. 56 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: And I thought Bagelton had a nice little route going 57 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: for himself in the past, which I believe was from 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: Jordan's love was pretty much in the vicinity of where 59 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: it needed to be. But when a cornerback with his 60 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: safety help over the top with Adrian Amos, when you 61 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: see those things, those things married together, you know, in 62 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: the way that they did on that specific play, even 63 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: though it wasn't a big pass breakup, even though it 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: wasn't an interception. It was the type of play that 65 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: stands out because you can see how it translates to games. Setting. Yeah. Absolutely, 66 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: and we do have to qualify this. I mean, the 67 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: Packers top five receivers essentially on the depth chart are 68 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 1: not at the voluntary O T A s. But what 69 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: we're seeing from Eric Stokes actually has me even more 70 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: excited to see when he does line up across from 71 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: al Lazard or Marquis Valdes Scaling or Davante Adams when 72 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: training camp rolls around. I go back to what I said, 73 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: what I saw during the rookie mini camp where Stokes 74 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: and defensive backs coach Jay Gray, We're having a conversation 75 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: after certain play and Gray Gray was really harping on 76 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: them about, okay, the receivers were the receivers were split 77 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: this way, this, This was how they were lined up. 78 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: Like he's only gonna run you know this route or 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: this route. You need to be able to anticipate, you 80 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: know the one or the other. And you know it's 81 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: to see to see a rookie in one of his 82 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: first practices in the NFL already getting that from the 83 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: defensive backs coach. That tells you, there are already so 84 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: many other tools that are in place here. When it 85 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: when right away Jerry Gray is trying to say, hey, 86 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: this isn't just about technique. It's not just about the 87 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: physical skills. We want to get you to anticipate the 88 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: routes um and try to be a step ahead of 89 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: the offense as much as you can. That's the kind 90 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: of stuff that most of the time young players will 91 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: get from a Charles Woodson or Truman Williams as they 92 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: get into the league for a year or two. And 93 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: Eric Stokes is getting this, you know, push into him. 94 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to say pounded into him, but but 95 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: pushed on him by Jerry Gray right from the get go, 96 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: which I think tells you how much potential the Packers 97 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: feel this young man has. Yeah, And as you mentioned, Mike, 98 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: when you Packers eventually do have their whole receiving corps 99 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: back in training camp or mini camp, however, this shuffles out. 100 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: The reason I want to see that is the same 101 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: reason from back in two thousand and eight teen when 102 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: JayR Alexander got to Green Baby. Because it's not about Oh, 103 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: Eric Stokes is just gonna go out there and he's 104 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: just gonna dominate. They won't be able to complete a 105 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: pass on two Adams or Lazarre or nvs. It's not 106 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: about that. It's about the individual reps and seeing that 107 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: level of competition, not only anticipating what the road is 108 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: going to be, but how those guys pivot off those routes, 109 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: especially in this type of offense. That's the that's the 110 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 1: dimension that I can't wait to see now. And because 111 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: Alexander isn't here right now, that's meant more reps in 112 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: the bigger team defenses with Stokes, Josh Jackson has gotten 113 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: some of those. Channon Sullivan, this is a big opportunity, Mike, 114 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: because you know you have Kevin King, you know you're 115 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: gonna have Alexander, and on the back end it's gonna 116 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: be Savage and Amos. That's four six, two thirds of 117 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: the big secondary. When you look at the money down, 118 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: it's those other two spots in understanding where guys are 119 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: going to play in that position. That that's what's got 120 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: to get shuffled out here. And I feel like Stokes 121 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: has put his best foot forward here in his first 122 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: month in Green Bay. Yeah, I would agree. Sticking with 123 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: the defensive side, of things. Another interesting development we saw 124 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: yesterday you had written a story that was from kind 125 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: of off of last week's O t A that we 126 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: posted on Monday about, you know, the Packers inside linebacker room. 127 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: There's obviously a lot of attention on Chris Barnes and 128 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: Kamal Martin being the two rookies from last year who 129 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: kind of made a name for themselves in different ways. 130 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: But then we saw at practice yesterday suddenly Chris Barnes 131 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: is lined up with Ty Summers with the number one defense, 132 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: and there were other pairings and other matchups with those 133 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: inside linebackers as they went through the eleven on eleven reps. 134 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: And it just as I said in the three Things video, 135 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: it just seems to me like the defensive coaches are 136 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: setting things up here for what's going to be a 137 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: very wide open competition in training camp for those inside 138 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: linebacker spots. Now, I do think Chris Barnes is, you know, 139 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: the leader on the course, so to speak to to 140 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: steal a golf phrase right now, Um, I do think 141 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: he's the number one guy right now. But when you 142 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: talk about I mean, we don't know necessarily with Joe 143 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Barry's defense, I mean you know, how does how does 144 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: he want to set up the pecking word or how 145 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: often does he want to play two inside linebackers? Does 146 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: he want to train another guy to have a specific 147 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: role in say the dime defense that maybe another guy 148 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't have. All those kinds of things. We have to 149 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: see how it plays out. And when you're talking about Barnes, Summers, 150 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: Martin or In Burke's and then a rookie UH sixth 151 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: round draft pick Isaiah mcduffee from Boston College, Um, I 152 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: think we're going to see a lot of rotation, a 153 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: lot of mixing, mixing and matching in terms of the 154 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: pairings as as we get into training camp and the 155 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: coaches are going to be studying that film and seeing 156 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: and and really trying to see what they think what 157 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: they think the best possibilities are in the scheme of 158 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: Joe Barry's Yeah, And that's the feeling out process of 159 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: understanding what your personnel is, the player that you added 160 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: to that group in McDuffie, and trying to figure out, Okay, 161 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: who's going to be the best position to step into 162 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: those roles when we go into training camp and and 163 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: potentially try to hold onto them. The one thing that 164 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: stands out to me about last season is that, out 165 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: of all my time on the beat, and there's a 166 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,599 Speaker 1: lot of different maschinations of the inside linebacker combinations, you 167 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: and I have covered all the way from Clay Matthews 168 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: moving inside to Nate Palmer and Jamari Lattimore and Brian 169 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: and Brad Jones moving from outside linebacker to inside linebacker. 170 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: We've seen it all. But last year was unique in 171 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: that I don't remember a scenario in which you saw 172 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: the communication helmet passed as much as it did um 173 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: throughout the course of last season. Now, eventually it did 174 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: sort of settle on Chris Barnes, but then when Barnes 175 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: got hurt, you had Tye Summers, who wasn't in any 176 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: of the defensive packages, well he was the next mike. 177 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: Uh So, when I saw practice this week, you wonder 178 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: how much of that is one making sure that Okay 179 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Summers is the mic behind Barnes at this time, but 180 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: how much is it him also getting an opportunity to 181 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: potentially be the will now that you don't have Christian 182 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: Kirksey's gone in the nickel, and then competing with Kamal 183 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Martin for that role in the base. Tye Summers arguably 184 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: maybe has the most experience of anyone at the inside 185 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: linebacker position when you factor in the fact that or 186 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: In Burke's ended up spending time with the outside linebackers. 187 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: So this is a wide open competition. I thought it 188 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 1: was really telling that when myself and many other reporters 189 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: were asking, you know, both Barry and and Kurt Olivia 190 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: Datti about Barnes and Martin, they were very They made 191 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: it a point to talk about the entire group and 192 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: that that is a position while you have the two 193 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: rookies coming act from last season. That is a position 194 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: where the Packers are looking to put their best two 195 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: on the field and they're gonna cast a really wide 196 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: net to do it. Yeah, well, I want to shift 197 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: gears to the offensive side of the ball. But first 198 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: West Serious x M NFL Radio delivers hard hitting analysis 199 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: and up to the minute NFL news that true football 200 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: fanatics need. Seven three sixty five. Alright, Well, one of 201 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: the players that we heard from in the post practice 202 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: zoom calls with the media yesterday was second year running 203 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: back A. J. Dylan, And I'll tell you what, he 204 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: did not mince words at all and Yes, he talked 205 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: a lot about his quads and all of that. Um, 206 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: I the whole quad father Quadzilla. It's it's entertaining. I 207 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: get it. He stole your moniker. Yeah, that was a 208 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 1: Spofford thing before A J. Dillon got drafted here. All right, 209 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: that's a discussion for another day. But what he did 210 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: say that that really caught my ear is at he 211 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,959 Speaker 1: did not hesitate whatsoever. He was asked about this pairing 212 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: now of him with Aaron Jones, and he said, I 213 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: think we can be the best running back duo in 214 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: the NFL. UM Now, obviously you'd like to hear that 215 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: he this is a workhorse guy from Boston College who 216 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: carried the ball a ton who has already had to 217 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: adjust to, you know, not being the guy, right. He hasn't. 218 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: He hasn't been the feature guy. He's not going to 219 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: be the number one guy in this offense with when 220 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones is healthy and available and on the field. 221 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: But we've talked about it before, the possibilities, the possibilities 222 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: here with your two eight pound Aaron Jones and your 223 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: two seven pound A J. Dillon. It's really intriguing just 224 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: where this might go in with the Packers ground game. 225 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: Here's what I love about A G. Dillon, And first off, 226 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: I gotta mention this, Mike, because I always I think 227 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: that hodds take bar when we do final thoughts, Tyler 228 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: guy skip super gets it in the lower third. This 229 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: is kind of hodds take. You talked about being the 230 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: featured guy, not being the workhorse back. I'm gonna tell 231 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: you something right now, to every young running back out there, 232 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: it's not the worst thing in the world. It worked 233 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: out well for Aaron Jones, and hey, I know everybody 234 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: wants to come in and be a year one starting 235 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: running back, but i'nna be honest with you. He ain't 236 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: making the big money yet. I mean, I I feel 237 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: like there's actually a lot to be said for not 238 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: introducing a running back into the league and just grinding 239 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: them all the way down to the gas take is empty. 240 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: So that's a topic for another day. I'm letna throw 241 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,079 Speaker 1: this back at you. Though I've covered the team full 242 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: time since two thousand twelve, a little bit in two 243 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: thousand eleven we're trying to figure some stuff out with 244 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Press because that staff. But since two 245 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: thousand twelve, at least during my time I can say 246 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: unequivocally I think A. J. Dillon is the most confident 247 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: running back that has walked in the door in terms 248 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: of being a draft pick to just putting his foot 249 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: down and saying, yeah, I feel the way I speak, 250 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: the words I say, and the way the confidence I 251 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: have in my ability, it jumps off the page to me. 252 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: In terms of just what his or I'm trying to 253 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 1: think if there's even another guy that even comes close 254 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: to him during the last twenty five years. Yeah, I 255 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: mean I think I will I will say this, you 256 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: will say that. But in terms of his extroverted the 257 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: way he speaks, I've not seen anything like it. Yeah, 258 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I think from from a personality standpoint, obviously 259 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: Eddie Lacey was was very different, but I think, uh 260 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: he he was very different externally, but I think internally, 261 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: Eddie Lacy knew that he belonged in the end from 262 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: you know, from from the get go. So I will 263 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: say that, And those are the two guys that the 264 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: Packers have invested second round draft picks, you know, in 265 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: the running back position. But um, you know a lot 266 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: of the fans are asking questions with with regard to Dylan, 267 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: what about the past catching abilities and and and whatnot, 268 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: because it's not something that was part of Boston College's offense. 269 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: And you know, he had twenty one pass receptions out 270 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: of the back backfield the last two years at Boston 271 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: College didn't have any actually the first year that he 272 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: was the feature back there. So it's not that he 273 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: doesn't have the ability to do it, it's that he 274 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: was never really asked to do it. He knows. I mean, 275 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: all you have to do is look at the stats. 276 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: The last two years, Aaron Jones has caught ninety six passes. 277 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams. Jamal Williams caught seventy the last two years 278 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: as the number two guy behind Aaron Jones. So A J. 279 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: Dillon knows that that's that's the one big part of 280 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: his game that he has to work on in order 281 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: to try to maximize his opportunities to to get on 282 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: the field. And we've seen it already in the O 283 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: T a s now when it's not necessarily full speed, 284 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: when it's not uh, you know, padded up and all 285 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. You know, you you take everything 286 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, so to speak. But the 287 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: more of those reps that he can get now in 288 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: the springtime, then when it is eleven on eleven in 289 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: August in full pads and he's got to run, he's 290 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: running that wheel. We're out out of the back field, 291 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: and that ball is going to be coming his way 292 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: with whether it be Chris Barnes or Adrian Amos or 293 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: whoever might be, you know, closing in and try to 294 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: break that pass up. The more reps that he gets 295 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: right now in that situation, the more comfortable he's going 296 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: to feel come come this summer. And I think that's 297 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: gonna be a big thing to watch through August here 298 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: in training camp with this young man. And this is 299 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: a big time for the running backs in that regard. 300 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: I remember, even you go back to two thousand and fifteen, 301 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: maybe I mean Mike McCarthy kind of even scaled back 302 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: the amount of reps that they took handing off the 303 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: ball to put more of an emphasis on guys catching 304 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: the ball, running backs catching the ball. Some would say 305 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: maybe they skewed a little too far in that direction, 306 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: but that showed you the emphasis that was there, and 307 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: just kind of how the league was evolving. To tie 308 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: back to my previous point about Dylan, as you said, 309 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: there's a number of different ways you can go about 310 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: having confidence, but the swagger that Dylan carries himself with, 311 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: there's certain expectations that kind of come with that, and 312 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,239 Speaker 1: the young man doesn't shy away from those he enjoys 313 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: have that spotlight on him, and I feel like that's 314 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: a really important characteristic and the running back profession in 315 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: that game, because I'll tell you what, Mike, there's a 316 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: lot of stuff they still need to work on. The 317 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: pass catching is one of them. Run blocking all right now, 318 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: I should say pass blocking, We're gonna have to learn 319 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: more about that. Can you be a third down and 320 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: reliable third down back? But from a structural standpoint building 321 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: a running back up from the base. I mean, the 322 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: guy checks all the boxes. And I think when you 323 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: hear him say things like I feel like myself and 324 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones can be the best running back due on 325 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: the league, that's a really high goal to set for yourself. 326 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: But you can tell with the way he says it. 327 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: One it's not brigadoso or anything like that. The brigadocio. 328 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: It's not like he's trying to just say, well, I'm 329 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: the best. He's saying that's where we think we can 330 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: take this thing. And that's why that message really resonated 331 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: with me when he said it, because it wasn't just that, oh, yeah, 332 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: sure I'm the best. It's no, I mean this is 333 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: I saw what I could do in a really small 334 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: sampling last year, and I feel like I can do 335 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: it again. Yeah. He talked about, yes, that he understands 336 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: the whole thunder and lightning, you know type of thing 337 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: with with him and Aaron Jones, but he said, you know, 338 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: if Aaron Jones is the lightning, this is this is 339 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: a pretty tough dude who can grind out some yards 340 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: when you need to. And he says, if I'm the 341 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: if I'm the thunder, I got some speed and I 342 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: can run away from guys, which we saw a third 343 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: yard touchdown run when he had that that carry, you know, 344 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: hundred yard to touchdown game against Tennessee, you know, which 345 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: helped the Packers clinch the division titles. So you know 346 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: you're talking about um as you said, small sample size, 347 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: but but we've seen you know, Aaron, Aaron Jones is 348 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: not just a scat back and he's proven that and 349 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: A J. Dillon is out to prove he's not just 350 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: a power back that he's got more to his game, 351 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: and I think he's going to get that opportunity this 352 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: year and his when he hits that that fourth gear, 353 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's getting out of the way. I mean, 354 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: that was my takeaway from the Tennessee game because even 355 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: you and I'm Mike, we didn't see a lot of 356 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: a j Allen. I mean, when you had to get 357 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams ready for the season during 358 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: a shortened training camp, that's where all those reps went. 359 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: He saw Dylan and some of the young guys periods. 360 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: He only had a handful of reps before the COVID deal, 361 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: and then he came back, and that's what stood out 362 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: to me. When he breaks through that first front of 363 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: the defense and he's able to hit that next gear, 364 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: good luck stopping the tour and forty seven pound body 365 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: because it's not coming down easily. Yeah, no question about it. Yeah. 366 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: And missing a month and a half or whatever it 367 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: was like he did with the COVID situation last year 368 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: was unfortunate for um, for him as a rookie, but 369 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: fortunately for the Packers they didn't necessarily need him because 370 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: you had Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams, and then when 371 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: they did need him in the big late December game 372 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: against Tennessee, he came through with the young man delivered. 373 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: So UM. One other topic to get to with regard 374 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: to the offense before we go, we also did hear 375 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: from tight end Robert Tonyan, and uh, it was interesting. 376 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: We didn't just hear from him, but we also heard 377 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: from head coach Matt Lafleur, who made, you know, no 378 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: bones about the fact that he feels, you know, even 379 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: with Tony in coming off of what I believe was 380 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: almost six hundred yards receiving double digit touchdowns, um, you know, 381 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: tying for the league lead and touchdown receptions among tight 382 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: ends with All Pro Travis Kelsey, he thinks, even with 383 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: as deep as this tight end group is with the Packers, 384 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: that there's more out there for Robert Touny in that 385 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: there could be some more opportunities to feature him in 386 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: this offense even more. I found that to be a 387 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: very interesting comment. When you've got Marcedes Lewis, you've got 388 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 1: Josiah Deguire coming back from the knee injury. Um, you know, 389 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: j Sternberger has had some injury issues. His first couple 390 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: of years was still trying to see where that goes. 391 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: And then Dominique Daphne, he was a guy who stepped 392 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: in late last season, caught a big touchdown passing in 393 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: Chicago in Week seventeen and a big victory. So there's 394 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: a lot here going on at the tight end position 395 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: for the Packers. But Robert Tonyan is going to be 396 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: a featured player in this offense. Yeah, it really stands 397 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: out to me because I remember for a number of 398 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: years I'd sit at the locker with Robert and I 399 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: basically would just keep asking the same question over and 400 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: over again. Do you feel like a tight end? Do 401 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: you feel like a tight end? And and we're we're 402 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: worth so far past that now. But now the era 403 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: that we're entering is this guy could be a Travis 404 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: Kelsey and George Kittle, you know type impact player in 405 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: this offense. And to be honest with you, Mike, I 406 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: know everybody will automatically say, well, that's what they had 407 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: with with Jamichael Finley. They did, and they didn't because 408 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: one the Packers were so deep with their receiving corps 409 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: at that time, Finley almost kind of fit in with 410 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: that room, there was a time where he was taken 411 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: off the weight to almost be more like a receiver 412 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: as far as an inline tight end, Robert Tonyan has 413 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: been the perfect project for Green Bay and I made 414 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: a lot about it. I made a lot of it 415 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: for a number of years, about him working with Jimmy 416 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: Graham for two years. However things went in Green Bay. 417 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: Fans have their personal feelings on it. Jimmy Graham's one 418 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: of the best pass catching tight ends that come through 419 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: this league in the last twenty years. And he's still 420 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: playing Mercedes Lewis, Who's gonna make a bona fide run 421 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: here at being the longest tenured NFL tight end ever 422 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: potentially if he can do this for two or three 423 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: more seasons. One of the most block best blockers that 424 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: has kept him in this league here the last ten years, 425 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: having those two guys guiding him. I don't think that 426 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: can be overstated just how valuable that was. And and 427 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: now Tongyan is the guy. And for the Packers to 428 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: be able to find a young man like that that 429 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: was a former college quarterback that then transition to receiver 430 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: that went to Detroit and had a you know, tough 431 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: experience there was out of the league completely and then 432 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: he kind of works his way up from the practice 433 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: squad to where he is today. I mean, that's this 434 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: is an emotional thing now for Green Bay, that that 435 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: guy isn't just a great story anymore. And Robert tongue 436 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: in very well could be one of the biggest playmakers 437 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: in the NFC. Yeah, as you called him an insider inbox, 438 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: the uncrowned Pro Bowler. You talk, you talk about a 439 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: guy getting that debate for a Pro Bowl on I 440 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 1: mean and and his his his teammates. Remember late last season, 441 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: his teammates were, you know, now we're we weren't in 442 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: the locker room obviously we're only talking to players over zoom, 443 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: but they were that that was maybe as flabbergasted as 444 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: I had ever heard multiple teammates talk about a guy 445 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: maybe since you know, the one year that t J. 446 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 1: Lang like didn't get I remember when he did before 447 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: he got his first Pro Bowl honor, but least subjective 448 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: like it's it's his teammates were. His teammates were absolutely 449 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: blown away that he got that he got as overlooked 450 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: as he was for that honor. So now I mean 451 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: get it. You know, the Pro Bowl is not the 452 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: not the be all end all, and do his credit. 453 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: You know, Tonyan doesn't look at it that way either, 454 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: But he's got a lot of guys in that locker 455 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: room that are behind him and are they're excited about 456 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: what he accomplished and where he's potentially going with his career. Well, 457 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: and God bless Evan Ingram. If Evan's watching this out 458 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: there somewhere, you helped me win a fantasy football title 459 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: like five years ago. The guy does have some name 460 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: notoriety there. Obviously was a credential player coming into the league. 461 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: But I think Kevin Ingram would tell you too, if 462 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: we're all being this with each other, when you factor 463 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: and not just the disparity and in touchdowns between the two, 464 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: but the fact that Ingram had a lot of drops 465 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: last year and then Tony in by every metric that 466 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: I can find, didn't have any. He caught every caught 467 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: every pass that he was asked to catch. It is 468 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, thankfully Robert was in his 469 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: going into his restricted free agent here. It'sund like he 470 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: had any like Pro Bowl five bonuses built into his 471 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: contract that he got robbed of. But Holy smokes. Yeah. Well, Um, 472 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: also before we go, it's pretty cool, I would have 473 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: to say, because we don't always get to see this, 474 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: but both of the O t A practices we've seen, 475 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: um the guys rehabbing off the side, and in this 476 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: practice yesterday, Josiah Deguara David Bakti both coming back from 477 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: a c L injuries. Um, we're working off to the 478 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: side now. Obviously Daguire's injury was was early in the season, 479 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: I believe week four or five if I'm if I'm 480 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: not mistaken, Yeah, but I'll tell you, I'll tell you 481 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: what seeing what David Baktier looks like right now, just 482 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: as he's doing like these rehab drills. Now, I'm I'm 483 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: no medical expert, and I know everything with with a 484 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: c L, timelines and all that, things continue to change. 485 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: But but man, I mean that was New Year's Eve 486 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: he had that injury, and obviously the surgery shortly thereafter. 487 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: But holy cow, I mean we're in we're in early 488 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: June here, and it doesn't it looks like he is 489 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: much much more than five months removed from from surgery. 490 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: It blows me away, honestly. I tweeted it, and people 491 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: think I'm being funny, but I was adcent serious why 492 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: I tweeted it. Everybody leaves goes out. The Hudson Center 493 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: of cameras stopped flickering because, okay, we all got the 494 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: shot of all the players coming out. Send it out. 495 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: It's the same video we've seen other times, but be 496 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: that as it may, and then very quietly, out sprints 497 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: David baktr once all the cameras are down. And when 498 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: I say sprints, I mean legitimately sprints. I said, he 499 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: ran like a stallion out out of the field. He did. 500 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: And to see him do the work that he was 501 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: doing on one foot and putting weight on that knee. Again, 502 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: we we saw some of the videos, and you know, 503 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: the work that David puts into this thing and the 504 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: fact that he takes a lot of pride and being 505 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 1: the best left tackle in the game right now and 506 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: a guy that's on a Hall of Fame trajector, you know, 507 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: that matters to him. But it also matters him to 508 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: be out there for his team. So again, in the 509 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: same thing with Daguia, to see Joside Daguire at a 510 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: position where there's a little bit more violent movement on 511 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: the knee to be able to wake his way back, 512 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: and he was off to such a great start, Mike. 513 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: I mean that game against Minnesota again, you're gonna look 514 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: at it in a box score and you're gonna say 515 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: he had one catch for twelve yards. But if you 516 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: watch the way Green Bay used him against the Vikings 517 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: and the opener, how dynamic he was, the ways that 518 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: they could use him, how well he fit into that 519 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: hybrid h back type role, that was a huge loss. 520 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: And then for him to have the shin injury and 521 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: then obviously end up tearing the a c L at 522 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: the setback. There two big players. I think. You know, 523 00:25:58,600 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: they're not gonna be the ones that are gonna get 524 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: the most clicks, They're not going to get all the 525 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: headlines everything like that. But to have them back in 526 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: the fold and and working and making progress in their rehabs, 527 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: to see that June two, holy crap. Yeah, it's been 528 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: it's it's it's been. It's it's been interesting. And when 529 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: we get to training camp, we the Packers are gonna 530 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: be the Packers have always been conservative with these guys 531 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: coming back from major injuries. So I don't want anybody 532 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: to take our conversation here is saying, well, first day 533 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: of training camp, you know, first day in pads, David 534 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: Bactiero and Josiah to Gard are going to be out 535 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: there full speed. We're not making any promises in that regard, 536 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: but what we are seeing um in terms of getting 537 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: getting a look at their rehab at at this stage, 538 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: it's very promising for what holds for these players when 539 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: you initially get an injury like that, especially David's uh 540 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: late in the season. You know, heading into week seventeen, 541 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: you wonder what really is in store for one. And 542 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: I would just say things are looking pretty promised. And 543 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: you and I were not making proclamations about week one. 544 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: But the point I always try to make. I made 545 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: the same point with Brian Balaga years ago when he 546 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: was coming off his second a c L. You are 547 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: not on the field doing They're not on the field 548 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: doing what they were doing in early June. If everything 549 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: to that point hasn't gone well, and that's the point 550 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: that you have to focus on. If you go on 551 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: you don't see those guys during the off season program, 552 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: that's when the antenna starts to go up a little bit, 553 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: so to see them out there's obviously a good sign. Yeah, definitely. 554 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: Well with that, we will call it a wrap on 555 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: this edition of Packers Unscripted. Sure to follow all of 556 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: our coverage of the team here through O t a 557 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: S Mini camp next week. The off season program has 558 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks to go. Will be all over 559 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: it for you on Packers dot com for Wes, I 560 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 1: am Mike. Thank you for tuning in, everybody, See you 561 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:41,360 Speaker 1: next time.