Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to it could happen here. We've got a
Speaker 1: bit of a bit of a downer of an episode here,
Speaker 1: but this is going to be part one of a
Speaker 1: two part series talking about the the increasing war on
Speaker 1: trans people that we've seen both on the rhetorical side
Speaker 1: and on the actual legislative side. Um with me today
Speaker 1: is mia Anna Margaret. How how are you doing on
Speaker 1: this fine day? It's it's been. It's been really fun
Speaker 1: frantically updating my part of the script because they're keep
Speaker 1: being fucking new bills that are like going through committee.
Speaker 1: So it's great having having a good time. I'm doing great.
Speaker 1: I'm not aware of anything that's wrong. I assume you
Speaker 1: all are here to tell me that everything's fine forever well,
Speaker 1: hopefully next episode we'll talk more about how we can like, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't deal with this sort of thing. I most
Speaker 1: I it was my job to handle the bad part
Speaker 1: of the of this two part series, and it was
Speaker 1: the other people's job to handle the good part. So
Speaker 1: I don't know what they have and planned for the
Speaker 1: next episode. Actually all I all I did was watch
Speaker 1: hours and hours of people advocating for genocide and put
Speaker 1: together some of the worst bits that I feel like
Speaker 1: are still worth mentioning. It's probably worth noting that the
Speaker 1: two of us who are supposed to be writing about
Speaker 1: what we do about it both have swords over our shoulders.
Speaker 1: I can go grab a sword if that is If
Speaker 1: that is a core part of the advice, I think,
Speaker 1: so okay. So I think whenever I put together episodes
Speaker 1: like these, I always try to be careful not to
Speaker 1: I don't just want to include people who are talking
Speaker 1: about why myself and others should die, like just like
Speaker 1: I don't want to include that unnecessarily because that's just
Speaker 1: kind of a bummer. But I think it is also
Speaker 1: important to actually hear and understand the types of rhetoric
Speaker 1: that they are trying to spread and they're trying to normalize,
Speaker 1: and be aware of what techniques and what rhetorical styles
Speaker 1: they are trying to employ. So i've I've condensed this
Speaker 1: down as much as I can. You will still hear
Speaker 1: a decent amount of pretty gross stuff. I think I
Speaker 1: should have almost all of the machendering completely edited out.
Speaker 1: I should have a whole bunch of things not not included.
Speaker 1: But there will be a decent amount of rhetoric that
Speaker 1: that you will hear from just as as a heads up.
Speaker 1: That's what's going to be kind of part of this episode.
Speaker 1: A lot of this is going to be talking about
Speaker 1: hosts that are employed by the conservative news site ran
Speaker 1: by Ben Shapiro, The Daily Wire. They have really, really
Speaker 1: focused in an excruciating extent on anti trans like campaigning
Speaker 1: and activism for really the past year. It got this
Speaker 1: type of stuff got really bad last February, and it
Speaker 1: once again got really bad is February. It's no coincidence
Speaker 1: that this is also the start of the legislative cycle.
Speaker 1: This is why they're doing this right now. It is.
Speaker 1: It is part of an attempt to actually affect the
Speaker 1: laws that the United States have around if trans people
Speaker 1: are allowed to exist. It is. It is purposeful, So
Speaker 1: we may as well just get started here. We're going
Speaker 1: to start a little bit ld actually, so most of
Speaker 1: this will be documenting the types of rhetoric they were
Speaker 1: using in February to March, so the past like month
Speaker 1: and a half. In early February, Candice Owens on her
Speaker 1: Daily Wire show refer to transpeople as demonic while advocating
Speaker 1: for the total ban of transgender healthcare for all ages.
Speaker 1: The trans Lives Matter protesters decided to occupy the Oklahoma
Speaker 1: Capitol building to fight GOP bills that ban gender conforming
Speaker 1: surgery for people that are under the age of twenty one.
Speaker 1: So that course that should be banned. If you are
Speaker 1: in the age twenty one, you should not be honestly,
Speaker 1: never be allowed by I would go a little further, Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: if you really want to do something, just ban it
Speaker 1: all together. Yeah. I love that, because they're always trying
Speaker 1: to be like, no, no, no, we're just here to
Speaker 1: protect the children, whereas we've known this entire time that
Speaker 1: they're trying to stop anyone from being trans. Yes, this
Speaker 1: is a pattern that will come up a lot in
Speaker 1: the research I've put together for this is how last
Speaker 1: year it was their fay much trying to make it like, no,
Speaker 1: it's just about the kids. And then we were talking
Speaker 1: about how first they're going to try to limit it
Speaker 1: to eighteen years old, and they're gonna limit it to
Speaker 1: twenty one years old, and they're gonna limit it to
Speaker 1: twenty five years old. Then they're just going to ban
Speaker 1: it all together. And that is very clearly what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And they're now just saying the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 1: So good on us for calling that a year in advance,
Speaker 1: but now they're emboldened just to say it outright. So
Speaker 1: kind of someone's refers to trans people as demonic leader
Speaker 1: on in that clip. I'm not not including that bit
Speaker 1: because just today Michael Knowles on his Daily Wire show
Speaker 1: said that this so called transgenderism is is demonic, the
Speaker 1: second second Daily Wire person to drum up this satanic
Speaker 1: panic shit. This is demonic stuff, really demonic stuff. And
Speaker 1: I made this point I got in trouble with our
Speaker 1: publicists over at Media Matters because I said that the
Speaker 1: attacks on man's sexual nature and sexual difference in complimentarity
Speaker 1: are demonic, and they are. They go back throughout all
Speaker 1: of history, throughout some of the earliest depictions of demons.
Speaker 1: Even one of the most prominent depictions of demons comes
Speaker 1: from an artist, Lafas Levy, who is an occultist, who
Speaker 1: did a depiction of Baphomet. If you just think what's
Speaker 1: a demon looked like, you're probably thinking of this picture. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, that's not true. It's completely wrong. This is
Speaker 1: this is really funny to be because for years now
Speaker 1: I've been trying to say that being trends is not demonic.
Speaker 1: It's very clearly alchemical. Please please get your occult terms right.
Speaker 1: Thousands of years of alchemical development has delivered onto me
Speaker 1: estradial valorate. It's it's very clearly alchemy. Um. But also
Speaker 1: it's just extremely funny to me that Knowles tried to
Speaker 1: cite Levy, Who's like, Baphamet isn't really a demon in
Speaker 1: Levy's work, but like whatever, it's it's all it's extremely funny.
Speaker 1: He goes on to talk about solidate and and Kigila,
Speaker 1: which I've actually been planning to do an episode on
Speaker 1: for a while. But it's it's all extremely funny too.
Speaker 1: Is it worth describing that Baphomet is the statue of
Speaker 1: the like hornheaded person with like Yes, often falsely falsely
Speaker 1: identified as the Satan or a demon, But yes, it's
Speaker 1: a very famous, very famous statue. Like if you think
Speaker 1: of like the statue of Satan, this is what Baphamet
Speaker 1: actually is. Yeah, it's it's not Satan, but I mean
Speaker 1: the use of this like demonic rhetoric is a very
Speaker 1: is it's very basic, like a dehumanizing stuff, trying to
Speaker 1: de human eyes trans people, um, while also pulling from
Speaker 1: like the remnants of the satanic panic that still exists
Speaker 1: in some conservatives minds um. Moving on to a friend
Speaker 1: of the pod, Matt Walsh Um. One of one of
Speaker 1: his recent main targets is actress Dylan mulvaney. On February fourteenth,
Speaker 1: Matt went on a mindless rant while continuously miss gendering
Speaker 1: Mulvaney and attacking her appearance, at one point referring to
Speaker 1: her as like doing a woman face minstrel show routine.
Speaker 1: Which a reaccording thing about this is that all in
Speaker 1: all of their rhetoric against transpeople, they also managed to
Speaker 1: be incredibly racist yep, and like understanding what racism actually is,
Speaker 1: which I mean is not surprising considering there they work
Speaker 1: for the Daily Wire. I'm not going to actually include
Speaker 1: the clip of Matt Walsh there because it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's just miss gendering and like making fun of how
Speaker 1: someone looks for like a minute, and it's all very gross.
Speaker 1: Who is that actress? I just I live under a
Speaker 1: rock Dylan Mulvaney. I think she does like Broadway stuff.
Speaker 1: She's like a New York person. I've not I've only
Speaker 1: I've ady really heard of her. Based on Matt Walsh's
Speaker 1: continuing rants against this person, we can't have cross stressors
Speaker 1: in the theater. Imagine we have to. I actually don't know.
Speaker 1: I literally don't know how far back you'd have to
Speaker 1: get to get to where people didn't play with gender
Speaker 1: on stage. I think it's impossible. I think the further
Speaker 1: back you go to worsing guests, because like you get
Speaker 1: things where like only men could be on stage, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, okay, this is every Shakespeare before Wance,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. In one of the more bizarre
Speaker 1: Daily Wire appearances in this um so on, on February fifteenth,
Speaker 1: a young dad who called into the Daily Wire sports
Speaker 1: show Crane on Company talked about how dad's like him
Speaker 1: are gonna cause dangerous problems if trans inclusive continues. The
Speaker 1: hosts of the show agreed and said that violence will
Speaker 1: be an inevitable response to trans women playing sports which
Speaker 1: want to be brought up. But somebody said something about
Speaker 1: dad being in the stand, finding out that for the
Speaker 1: first time that somebody in the locker room was a male,
Speaker 1: and that they were just hanging it all out in
Speaker 1: front of their girls how I rate they would get.
Speaker 1: My view is that, yeah, we're gonna have not just
Speaker 1: one irate dad, We're gonna have a lot of I
Speaker 1: rate dads. That's going to cause the massive problem in
Speaker 1: the school system, and it's going to be very dangerous
Speaker 1: for everybody because people are going to start taking in
Speaker 1: their own hands because they're seeing that other people are
Speaker 1: exactly jungle rules, as we call it, jungle rules. Exactly
Speaker 1: at what point do we say, we've tried to talk
Speaker 1: this out and hash this out with you, you're not
Speaker 1: being reasonable. Those are part of my values. So it's
Speaker 1: not even us saying go in there and handle business.
Speaker 1: It's saying, I know what's going to happen the minute
Speaker 1: that girl runs out of that locker room or a
Speaker 1: couple of girls. Imagine if a twelve year old girl
Speaker 1: ran out of the locker room and said that to her,
Speaker 1: Just imagine that how great or whatever. Men shouldn't be
Speaker 1: in women's locker room. But if a man that was
Speaker 1: straight walked into a women's locker room with a trench
Speaker 1: coat and just showed everything and started shaking like this
Speaker 1: and got beat asleep, everybody would be doing this. They'd
Speaker 1: be clapping. Great job. But you let the same thing
Speaker 1: happen to somebody who says they think they're a woman
Speaker 1: in there and does the exact same thing, then it's no,
Speaker 1: it's a totally different situation. So while we're not advocating
Speaker 1: for it, I'm telling you what's going to happen because
Speaker 1: I live in the real world. I know what you
Speaker 1: would do for your daughter. Yep, that man does not
Speaker 1: live in the real world. No, And it's it's all, like,
Speaker 1: it's this weird like trying to have some form of
Speaker 1: like of like denial in their very clear advocating for
Speaker 1: violence and like advocating for the normalization of just assaulting people.
Speaker 1: I mean, I even feel like though this is like,
Speaker 1: this is like last year's anti trans rhetoric, you know,
Speaker 1: the like lowest hanging fruit was to come at us
Speaker 1: about sports, this issue that affects the tiniest percentage of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's the it's the blending of the
Speaker 1: sports issue with like the locker room stuff. Yeah. Later
Speaker 1: on in the show, another caller admitted that he would
Speaker 1: assault transwomen, including his own children. M and the Daily
Speaker 1: Wire hosts refused to push back on like any of this,
Speaker 1: as this man just advocates child abuse. And I just
Speaker 1: wanted to say too, as a as a new father.
Speaker 1: I've got a new baby boy, uh, and I've got
Speaker 1: a two year old daughter, And not only would I
Speaker 1: want to beat somebody up for doing that to my daughter,
Speaker 1: but I would beat my son up if he ever
Speaker 1: thought about doing something like that in a women's locker room.
Speaker 1: It's just again, and and I want to make sure
Speaker 1: and again, we live in the real world. We know
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, because we're not even advocating violence, Like
Speaker 1: I said, we're telling you what's gonna happen. These are
Speaker 1: the fathers and the brothers and the uncles and the
Speaker 1: mamas are it's gonna get to a point where they're
Speaker 1: just gonna handle business like. And it's just it is.
Speaker 1: It is what is We're trying to tell y'all this
Speaker 1: in the threat, it's just a fore warning. It is
Speaker 1: foreshadowing what's gonna happen. British are coming. Yeah, okay, but
Speaker 1: but the British is coming. Is a really really funny
Speaker 1: thing for an American to say about this, because he wait,
Speaker 1: is he saying that they're the British they're trying to
Speaker 1: do like a Paul Revere thing. Oh oh oh oh.
Speaker 1: I thought they were trying to be like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: show up and we're gonna handle business us. No, in
Speaker 1: the opposite. I'm sorry, we are. We are warning that
Speaker 1: if this insanity continues, then people will start violently assaulting
Speaker 1: anyone who they suspect of being a man in a bathroom,
Speaker 1: which will also just lead to like people assaulting like
Speaker 1: like a butch sis woman as well. Like no, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like this has already been happening, like like one
Speaker 1: of my friends can't get changed at the local gym
Speaker 1: um even though they're assigned female at birth, because there's
Speaker 1: no safe place for them to do it because the
Speaker 1: way that they read, you know, like and I don't
Speaker 1: know whatever. I mean, that's just one example of the
Speaker 1: time my head. But it's just happening constantly. Suddenly we
Speaker 1: have gender police everywhere, and everyone is expected to perform
Speaker 1: masculinity and femininity and like weird sis normative ways that
Speaker 1: everyone knows. I'm sorry, I'm just no, no, no no, But
Speaker 1: I think there's something important about this too, which is
Speaker 1: like and anytime someone tries to say, like, anytime someone
Speaker 1: starts talking about the real world, this is the way
Speaker 1: the world really works. Right, That's not an actual description
Speaker 1: of reality, it's an it's an aspirational thing, right. And
Speaker 1: the way that you make something real is through violence, yes,
Speaker 1: And that's what all this stuff is absolutely and and
Speaker 1: specifically speaking of violence and child abuse. The next day,
Speaker 1: on February sixteenth, Candice Owens was discussing this, uh, this
Speaker 1: like trans kids TikTok video about his grandmother's transphobic reaction
Speaker 1: to him coming out. And it's it's also it's it's
Speaker 1: just extremely grows. So these like these media people who
Speaker 1: are paid millions of dollars spend their days may making
Speaker 1: fun of trans kids on TikTok, like like random like
Speaker 1: random miners on TikTok, We're making videos about their experiences.
Speaker 1: And they then these these like these grifters and these
Speaker 1: content creators who work on their right just like blast
Speaker 1: these kids on their on their shows. They get like
Speaker 1: millions of millions of viewers. I mean, this is the
Speaker 1: entire lips of TikTok platform. But yours now seeing this
Speaker 1: across like almost every mainstream conservative influencer. So on top
Speaker 1: of Candice calling being trans a mental illness placed upon
Speaker 1: you by society. Candas Owns also said that if she
Speaker 1: had a trans grandchild, she would beat them with a cane.
Speaker 1: It is a cry for help, and your grandmother answered
Speaker 1: that cry for help by telling you that you are
Speaker 1: loved as you are and that you don't need to
Speaker 1: fall into this trap of insanity. You're the best grandma ever,
Speaker 1: by the way, because when I'm a grandma, I get
Speaker 1: any foolishness like that. I don't know. I want to
Speaker 1: be a sweet grandma, they do. I want to be
Speaker 1: a sweet old lady. But I feel like I might
Speaker 1: be the kind hit somebody with a cane. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, why you're not calling you, Michael. I
Speaker 1: feel like that will probably be me, but I will.
Speaker 1: I would have prayed for you, you know, like a
Speaker 1: thing that I keep thinking about. With this, like with
Speaker 1: this Cannons clip, With most of these clips, it's like
Speaker 1: they're just like laughing the whole time they're saying this stuff. Yep,
Speaker 1: Like it's just a joke to them, right, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they believe it, but it's also it's just like a joke.
Speaker 1: It's just something they can sort of like casually talk
Speaker 1: about while like you know, fucking hanging out in their
Speaker 1: show or whatever. And absolutely, because I mean the primary
Speaker 1: goal for these people is is content creation. And yeah,
Speaker 1: they're making suffering content for for and as well as
Speaker 1: like normalizing this type of like violent response. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and and I think I think the sort of joking
Speaker 1: thing is is a big part of how normalization works.
Speaker 1: Like I don't think, like I think it would be
Speaker 1: much harder to have someone just being incredibly serious going
Speaker 1: like yeah, I'm gonna like beat my child with a cane,
Speaker 1: right like if if if you do, When that's sort
Speaker 1: of like joking, like matter of fact thing, it helps,
Speaker 1: It helps normalize it enormously. Yeah. No, absolutely, I'm just
Speaker 1: really sad thinking about the because acceptance by family, a
Speaker 1: family that doesn't necessarily understand, but there's willing to accept.
Speaker 1: It's like the thing that I think bolsters the spirits
Speaker 1: of young trans people or adult trans people more than
Speaker 1: anything else, you know. And I've been like reading a
Speaker 1: bunch of history about like trans people from one hundred
Speaker 1: years ago where their family or like all right, well
Speaker 1: we don't get it, but what's your name now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And like a hundred years ago, we we could have
Speaker 1: improved from there. And and this is something that the
Speaker 1: Daily Wire definitely does continue to harp on across multiple hosts,
Speaker 1: even like the next video that we have here Matt
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh is doing like this is the same thing
Speaker 1: they're they're talking about if they themselves had trans kids
Speaker 1: or trans grandkids, that they would continue to be as
Speaker 1: openly vitriolic and even violent against their own children. So
Speaker 1: this next clip came like a week after Matt Walsh's
Speaker 1: first unhinged rant attacking Dylan Muldaney. Walsh claimed that he
Speaker 1: wouldn't stop barking vitriolic rhetoric if he had a trans kid,
Speaker 1: that in fact, he would quote rather be dead than
Speaker 1: discover he had a trans kid. A beautiful and innocent
Speaker 1: kid one day, seemingly out of nowhere, gets sucked into
Speaker 1: the gender call and is devoured by it. All of
Speaker 1: their innocence and light and beauty just drained out of them,
Speaker 1: replaced by this self cannibalizing madness. For a parent to
Speaker 1: see this happen to a child, it is a fate
Speaker 1: worse than death. I would rather be dead than have
Speaker 1: that happened to my kids then die. We do argue
Speaker 1: with you. I'm not on the debate team. This is
Speaker 1: a mock trial. I keep thinking, whatever these things happen, like,
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about Matt Chrisman's one good line, which
Speaker 1: is we should give to Christians what they want and
Speaker 1: crucify them, persecute, persecute all day, every day. So unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there was more to that clip than Walsh just threatening
Speaker 1: to kill himself using the like a groomer and protect
Speaker 1: the children rhetoric that we saw go viral last year.
Speaker 1: Walsh promises that mean words are only the beginning. See,
Speaker 1: the thing that I most despise about Dylan Wolvani is
Speaker 1: that part of a movement which actively seeks to turn
Speaker 1: my children into Dylan Wolvni. That's why I'm entitled to
Speaker 1: my anger and to whatever language I use to convey it.
Speaker 1: I will say whatever I want to say, and I
Speaker 1: will be justified in saying it, because these people are
Speaker 1: after my kids and yours and everyone else's. And you're
Speaker 1: worried that I'm being a little rude when it comes
Speaker 1: to my children, the children that I cherish more than
Speaker 1: my own life. If you think mean words go too far,
Speaker 1: then you would be very shocked to hear how far
Speaker 1: I would really go to protect them. Trust me, words
Speaker 1: are the least of it. I love this. I would
Speaker 1: do anything to protect my children, unless they're a gay,
Speaker 1: in which case I'm good, like off myself or something
Speaker 1: like yeah, just I mean, I mean, I don't know whatever.
Speaker 1: Already the legally actionable things have already been said. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's it's not my idea, it's only Matt Walsh's. This
Speaker 1: is his idea. You know. I do want to go
Speaker 1: back for a second to the early parts of this clip.
Speaker 1: We are he's talking about like, oh, like you have
Speaker 1: these like puerian innocent children and like the light goes
Speaker 1: out of them, Like it's this thing that strikes you
Speaker 1: about that so much. Is like she's describing the process
Speaker 1: exactly in reverse. Like the thing that he's describing is
Speaker 1: what is like, this is what happens if you try
Speaker 1: agition a kid like by force, Like the thing that
Speaker 1: actually happens when a trans kid transitions is like you
Speaker 1: can you can literally see this in like like you
Speaker 1: could you can like literally see this in pictures of kids.
Speaker 1: It's like like you can wash the light come back
Speaker 1: to their eyes. As a transition totally. No, yah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's it's it's one of sort
Speaker 1: of like it's one of the most beautiful things about
Speaker 1: being trans It's like is experiencing that joy and experiencing
Speaker 1: like what it is to be yourself and then you
Speaker 1: get to watch this fucking dipshit like just literally just
Speaker 1: like taking the process as it actually happens, and then
Speaker 1: like lying and saying it's like literally like lying and
Speaker 1: saying that the thing that is making these people have
Speaker 1: this joy is the like the thing that's fucking killing them. No. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: that that's something that's often overlooked when covering this sort
Speaker 1: of thing, is the like just the presence of trans
Speaker 1: joy and the trans joy that can be experienced when
Speaker 1: people are given access to the treatments that have been
Speaker 1: like known to be successful for decades now. It's also
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you're intentionally going in
Speaker 1: an escalating sense. This is the first person that I'm
Speaker 1: looking at being like, oh, this man wants to kill me,
Speaker 1: you know I am I am going in an escalating Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we escalate pretty far over the next bit. First, I
Speaker 1: think let's let's have a bit of an ad break.
Speaker 1: Do you know who doesn't want to kill you? Fifty
Speaker 1: percent of the advertisers, at least at least fifty percent
Speaker 1: of the advertisers don't want you dead because instead they
Speaker 1: want your money. All right, we are back as as
Speaker 1: previously stated, Like when when reporting on this topic before,
Speaker 1: we've always said that the limited focus on transgender miners
Speaker 1: was simply a form of rhetorical deception. Oh, somebody, please
Speaker 1: think of the children. By conjuring concerns that have been
Speaker 1: like culturally ingrained in US around the protection of children,
Speaker 1: anti transactivists have been introducing and a normalizing anti trans
Speaker 1: talking points that inevitably get used against trans people of
Speaker 1: all ages. Last year, Matt Walsh openly said that quote,
Speaker 1: it should be illegal for doctors to medically transition anyone
Speaker 1: of any age. Unte And as Margaret said, it seems
Speaker 1: like we were moving in a more escalating direction. But
Speaker 1: that just so happened to corresponds as the month of
Speaker 1: February continued. So here's a clip from Daily Wire host
Speaker 1: Michael Knowles from the late February twenty twenty three. In
Speaker 1: order for women to have the right to have their
Speaker 1: own bathrooms, you have to ban transgenderism entirely. You can't
Speaker 1: just ban it for the kids. It's got to be
Speaker 1: entirely in order for women to be able to have
Speaker 1: their own locker rooms at the gym, you have to
Speaker 1: ban transgenderism entirely. In order to protect businesses from having
Speaker 1: to participate in weird occult sexual rituals like the transgender transition,
Speaker 1: you have to ban transgenderism entirely. So that is just
Speaker 1: like straight up advocating for genocide, right, Like, yeah, there
Speaker 1: there is no difference between this this term that the
Speaker 1: Daily Wire people use transgenderism and and currently existing transgender people.
Speaker 1: That that isn't you It's like saying we have to
Speaker 1: eradicate judaism, Like what is what is it? What do
Speaker 1: you mean by that? You obviously mean exterminating human beings
Speaker 1: and making it impossible for them to continue on? Like
Speaker 1: that is that? That is what genocide is? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you can hear me like literally the next thing he
Speaker 1: says is like you know, he's talking about like like
Speaker 1: transition angas in the cult ritual or whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: it is, Like well, yeah, no, Like like he's he's
Speaker 1: explicitly saying like what what Yeah, what does banning transgenderism means,
Speaker 1: does it never like confuse you all when you just
Speaker 1: have these moments where you're like, these people believe in
Speaker 1: sky Daddy. Like I'm not even anti religious, I'm not
Speaker 1: even an atheist. I don't know exactly what I am.
Speaker 1: But like when you hear people just being like God
Speaker 1: has willed me to do this murder or whatever, that
Speaker 1: this is what this person is saying. I'm just like
Speaker 1: they think of themselves as like holy warriors who have
Speaker 1: been chosen by God to eradicate this demonic plague that
Speaker 1: is infecting like humankind. Yeah, it would be like if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they were like, and that's why
Speaker 1: Gandolf has told me that I must go on a quest.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, am I living in the same
Speaker 1: century as these people? Like, again, not an atheist, but
Speaker 1: I'm just like you've decided that sky Daddy has told
Speaker 1: you to march off to murder, Like, yeah, that doesn't
Speaker 1: even map to a fucking basic understanding even of religious anyway. Sorry, No, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I mean this unfortunately continues to get worse. Yea.
Speaker 1: The very next day, Michael Knowles defended his elimination as rhetoric.
Speaker 1: In another unhinged rant about the probably about two million
Speaker 1: trans people in the United States, saying that quote, there
Speaker 1: can't be a genocide of trans people because it's quote,
Speaker 1: not a legitimate category of being. They said that I
Speaker 1: was calling for the extermination of transgender people. They said
Speaker 1: I was calling for a genocide against I said, I
Speaker 1: must have missed that part of my show. When did
Speaker 1: I did? I say that? I don't one. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you could have a genocide of transgender people
Speaker 1: because genocide refers to genes, It refers to genetics, it
Speaker 1: refers to biology. And the whole point of those genderism
Speaker 1: is that it has nothing to do with biology. That's
Speaker 1: what the transgender activists say. They say, forget about biological sex.
Speaker 1: My gender expression doesn't have to have anything to do
Speaker 1: with my biological sex. Okay, well, then there can't be
Speaker 1: a genocide that refers to genetics. But furthermore, nobody's calling
Speaker 1: to exterminate anybody, because the other problem with that statement
Speaker 1: is that transgender people is not a real ontological category.
Speaker 1: It's not a legitimate category of being. There are people
Speaker 1: who think that they're the wrong sex, but they're mistaken,
Speaker 1: they're they're laboring under a delusion, and so we need
Speaker 1: to correct that delusion. Okay, so that was that was
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm just clinging to my emotional support sword, Like,
Speaker 1: what what solution, pretel, will you be employing to correct
Speaker 1: that so called delusion? Maybe just like one one once,
Speaker 1: like a like one one of the last one, Yeah,
Speaker 1: fidal one, not a penultimate solution, that's not his his thing.
Speaker 1: No one step further, the very the very last one.
Speaker 1: I can't think of a of a of a of
Speaker 1: another word for for for very last. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: also like, have these motherfuckers karatyped themselves? No one has
Speaker 1: almost no one has been goddamn like the percentage of
Speaker 1: people who've seen what their genes are like, I don't
Speaker 1: know whatever, sense it's nonsense. Yeah, that the science does
Speaker 1: not hold up to the like thing you learn in
Speaker 1: fourth grade that the you know, I don't know when
Speaker 1: they teach you x x and x y or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's like, but like, that's not science, that's not
Speaker 1: the current scientific understanding. And I think it's never really
Speaker 1: been the scientific understanding. That part I'm not as certain about.
Speaker 1: Um No, I mean like it's and by saying I'm
Speaker 1: not calling for genocide because the group I'm targeting aren't
Speaker 1: even a real group of people. They're not even literally
Speaker 1: it's literally the talking point of every single jenicidal fascist
Speaker 1: ever it existence. So like like literally this is I
Speaker 1: can I cannot find the person who was writing about this.
Speaker 1: I apologize immensely. But when when when this clip was
Speaker 1: first circulating, there was a really interesting article of BA
Speaker 1: that was circulating about how like not a legitimate category.
Speaker 1: Gry is what like the word that gets translated as degenerate,
Speaker 1: like that the Nazis used like actually means like like
Speaker 1: that's like non legitimate kind of like that very specifically
Speaker 1: is what the Nazis used as like you know, as
Speaker 1: as they're saying, for we need to kill the Jews,
Speaker 1: right like that. That's that's that's very very specifically what
Speaker 1: they were doing. No, And and like genocide does not
Speaker 1: refer to genetics, it it doesn't. And and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you can you can look at like because
Speaker 1: like these people are like just unfathomably fucking stupid, right
Speaker 1: Like they they they look at genocide, right and they
Speaker 1: see the word gen and they go, this means no.
Speaker 1: But you know, and I think I think something that
Speaker 1: is worth mentioning is that So Raphael Lemkin is the
Speaker 1: guy who coins the term genocide, right, Um, the Lemkin Institute,
Speaker 1: which is the the like the lempicin SciTE, which is
Speaker 1: the institute from this guy that that does genois, like
Speaker 1: does anti genocide prevention works specifically in the West. Was
Speaker 1: like there was now a risk of genocide against trans people.
Speaker 1: So you know, the institute of the actual guy who
Speaker 1: made the term genocide versus a guy who thinks that
Speaker 1: jen means gene. It's like, it's just no, It's it's
Speaker 1: very obvious that that saying that transgender people are not
Speaker 1: a real ontological category is like he's doing He's literally
Speaker 1: is how you do the Nazis did. That is how
Speaker 1: you do Nazi stuff. Like I'm under the impression of
Speaker 1: the whole thing with ontology is accepting that there's like
Speaker 1: multiple ontologies, Like it's clearly not an ontological concept in
Speaker 1: his ontological like his way of viewing the world. That's
Speaker 1: one of my problems, you know, I just like I
Speaker 1: don't think he would pass a basic philosophy of course
Speaker 1: in college, you know, Okay, I will say this my my, my,
Speaker 1: my argument against against, specifically against there being multiple legitimate ontologies.
Speaker 1: Is this is this these people's fucking ontology who like
Speaker 1: believe that like these people, all these fucking freaks literally
Speaker 1: believe individually right that there is no scientific explanation for
Speaker 1: lightning and that like every act of lightning is an
Speaker 1: individual act of God, that is not a legitimate ontology.
Speaker 1: Like fuck that shit. No, I I refuse. I refuse
Speaker 1: to do fucking to have to have there be fucking
Speaker 1: multiple valid ontological positions. I refuse for there to be
Speaker 1: valid worlds like no, there's something are just wrong and
Speaker 1: you have to be able to say that shit otherwise
Speaker 1: you get this fucking bullshit reality tunnels do do be
Speaker 1: funny like that? He He later added quote transgenderism ultimately
Speaker 1: is a lie, It's a deception. It is a fraud.
Speaker 1: Fraud is not protected by the First Amendment. Fraud is
Speaker 1: not a category protected by the principles of a free speech.
Speaker 1: You have no right to fraud. But you know, here's
Speaker 1: the thing, I will I will agree with him. You
Speaker 1: have no right to fraud. Fraud is not protected by
Speaker 1: free speech. I really like have have have a real
Speaker 1: fun time when we fucking come for you. On those principles.
Speaker 1: It's a little like tights show disappears a few days
Speaker 1: of A few days later, Noles once again invoked grooma
Speaker 1: rhetoric and openly called drag Queen's pedophiles and explicitly called
Speaker 1: on quote the heavy hand of the state to shut
Speaker 1: down to drag shows and arrest performers and parents. Why
Speaker 1: is he dressed like um, mister Rogers in a Black
Speaker 1: Mirror episode. He's just mirror universe, mister Rogers. He's like
Speaker 1: just telling you to hate your neighbor. You know. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you can watch this and not conclude
Speaker 1: that the performers are pedophiles. I don't use that word lightly.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people on the right use
Speaker 1: that word. They fling it around, and they use it
Speaker 1: in precisely. I don't see how you can dance around
Speaker 1: in a thong or in a leather harness in front
Speaker 1: of babies and toddlers if you are not a pedophile.
Speaker 1: So I'm I would be if not the farm, I'd
Speaker 1: bet a lot of my money that that's the case,
Speaker 1: and that's being normalized. I don't see how these parents
Speaker 1: should be permitted to keep their children they're abusing your children,
Speaker 1: are sexually abusing your children by taking them to these events.
Speaker 1: I don't see how whatever company is hosting this should
Speaker 1: be allowed to keep its doors open. All of this
Speaker 1: should be shut down by the heavy hand of the state.
Speaker 1: All of these people other than the children should be arrested,
Speaker 1: and some of them should face pretty severe consequences. Not
Speaker 1: great stuff. He did hedge his bets. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm actually not sure about this. That was
Speaker 1: my favorite part. I think it is. It is interesting
Speaker 1: that the whole heavy hand of the state line is
Speaker 1: is an interesting, little little unique gem in their style
Speaker 1: of rhetoric whenever they explicitly call on the powers of
Speaker 1: the government to do fascism. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: this type of rhetoric was leading up to Seapack in
Speaker 1: what should happened in early March. During Seapack, anti trans
Speaker 1: rhetoric was a very central theme across There are many speakers.
Speaker 1: That's like the big right wing gathering where all the
Speaker 1: far right people get together and talk to an empty room. Well,
Speaker 1: SEPAK is the Conservative Political Action Conference. It is far
Speaker 1: right by the world's over to the window, but it's
Speaker 1: like a mainstream right wing convention in the United States
Speaker 1: cool So. The conference featured in a rave speakers, including
Speaker 1: prominent Republican politicians and policymakers, as well as people like
Speaker 1: Michael Knowles who are just like right wing pundits. The
Speaker 1: many many speeches had attacks against gender affirming healthcare, trans
Speaker 1: inclusive sports, and bathroom policies, as well as the you know,
Speaker 1: the typical groomer and pedophelia stuff that we saw get
Speaker 1: super popular last year, as well as framing this word
Speaker 1: transgenderism as a radical ideology. Now, words like transgenderism and
Speaker 1: gender ideology are not actually terms that trans people use.
Speaker 1: These were terms invented by anti transactivists. I want to
Speaker 1: be very certific about this because this is the thing
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand. The term gender ideology was
Speaker 1: specifically invented by the Catholic Church, like as as as
Speaker 1: a thing to oppose this and also a sort of
Speaker 1: a way to oppose like gay marriage and like queerness
Speaker 1: in general. And they're all of the fucking all of
Speaker 1: the like shitty like one one of the one of
Speaker 1: those sort of like quote unquote like dark secrets in
Speaker 1: the fucking closet of all of the black people who
Speaker 1: claim to be like radical feminists who are anti trance is.
Speaker 1: All of these people specifically worked with the back back
Speaker 1: when this up was first being developed in like the
Speaker 1: late nineties and early two thousands. All of these people
Speaker 1: worked with the Catholic Church specifically to make sure that
Speaker 1: I like that that that more sort of liked more
Speaker 1: gender inclusive like terminology and stuff like not on terminology,
Speaker 1: like more gender and preclusive programs and definitions of like
Speaker 1: of what gender is wouldn't be implemented at the un.
Speaker 1: So this this sort of like rad fem conservative Catholic
Speaker 1: alliance is very old, and most of the people who
Speaker 1: are in it will deny that that's what they were doing,
Speaker 1: but it is like, this is the this Catholic Church shit.
Speaker 1: The Pope literally had a rant about how gender ideology
Speaker 1: was colonialism, like like a week ago, and and and
Speaker 1: the Pope does the same demonic rhetoric as these people.
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, so I believe this terms him.
Speaker 1: It makes sense from him. That's his that's his thing,
Speaker 1: that's his literal job. Yeah, which immediately also it's like, sir,
Speaker 1: you are the pope, like shut the fuck up about colonization, man,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like you know from Latin America. That doesn't
Speaker 1: excuse you, like the church, the Catholic Church famously never never,
Speaker 1: never done colonization. Um. But yeah, these words were invented
Speaker 1: by anti transactivists to the humanized transgender people and frame
Speaker 1: being trans as itself this dangerous ideology or a mental
Speaker 1: illness in a need of curing um. CEPAC speakers consistently
Speaker 1: invoked like grooming and pedophilia stuff in their In their
Speaker 1: long anti LGBTQ hate rantum, Lauren Bobert claimed that educators
Speaker 1: attempting to groom children, echoing the libs of TikTok stuff
Speaker 1: that got popular in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: Tulsa Gabbard was at Seapack. She basically claimed that LGBTQ
Speaker 1: plus people were trying to gain acceptance for pedophiles by
Speaker 1: labeling them as minor attracted persons and allowing them to
Speaker 1: teach in schools. This is another conspiracy theory that Libs
Speaker 1: of TikTok has boosted for a long time. By the way,
Speaker 1: I want to hold a fucking greed share, which is
Speaker 1: that there were a lot of people who like claimed
Speaker 1: to be leftist. Two in like twenty eighteen, twenty, nineteen, two,
Speaker 1: and twenty were like telling all of us that Tulsa
Speaker 1: Gabbard was a leftist. It was like the only antick
Speaker 1: very clearly a fascist. Falk like she she, she like, no,
Speaker 1: fuck off, you were wrong. Please admit you were wrong.
Speaker 1: Please be more careful about who you're going to fucking
Speaker 1: back so you don't end up backing this fucking like
Speaker 1: weird peto jacketing dipshit. But you know who you should back.
Speaker 1: Oh God, is it not yet? Not yet? Almost almost
Speaker 1: not almost almost time? Sorry, I have abbot planned. Matt
Speaker 1: Gates spoke about an instant in Virginia which the right
Speaker 1: wing media sphere has spread disinformation about to falsely frame
Speaker 1: it as an instance of a trans student abusing inclusive
Speaker 1: bathroom policies to attack young girls. Just spreading all kinds
Speaker 1: of misinformation and disinformation from these right wing hate websites,
Speaker 1: that that is why they exist, is to prop by
Speaker 1: gate disinformation. Marjor Taylor Green targeted gender affirming healthcare, praising
Speaker 1: her current reintroduction of the twenty twenty two Protect Children's
Speaker 1: Innocence Act in the House, a bill which would make
Speaker 1: it a felony to provide a gender affirming care to miners.
Speaker 1: Green spread the lies and disinformation made popular by Matt
Speaker 1: Walsh that gender affirming healthcare is designed to quote mutilate
Speaker 1: your kids and quote chemically castrate them. Stuff that we've
Speaker 1: debunked on the show before and many others have debunked.
Speaker 1: Trump gave a pretty pretty bad transphobic speech to close
Speaker 1: out the conference. On the one side, he said that
Speaker 1: he would keep men out of women's sports, but then
Speaker 1: closed out Seepack by saying, quote, he would revoke every
Speaker 1: Biden policy promoting the sexual mutilation and chemical castration of
Speaker 1: our youth, and I will ask Congress to send me
Speaker 1: a bill prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all fifty states unquote.
Speaker 1: I don't want to include Trump's stuff here because I
Speaker 1: find his voice to be slightly annoying. Anyway, moving off,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump more annoying than Michael Knowles. Shocking so hard,
Speaker 1: challenge level, almost impossible speak. Speaking of Michael Knowles, he
Speaker 1: gave a speech at Seapack where he advocated that transgenderism
Speaker 1: must be eradicated. To thunderous applause. Now I'm going to
Speaker 1: play this whole clip here, Bear with me. There can
Speaker 1: be no middle way in dealing with transgenderism. It is
Speaker 1: all or nothing. If transgenderism is if men really can
Speaker 1: become women, then it's true for everybody of all ages.
Speaker 1: If transgenderism is false, as it is, if men really
Speaker 1: can't become women, as they cannot, then it's false for
Speaker 1: everybody too. And if it's false, then we should not
Speaker 1: indulge in, especially since that indulgence requires taking away the
Speaker 1: rights and customs of so many people. If it is false,
Speaker 1: then for the good of society, and especially for the
Speaker 1: good of the poor people who have fallen prey to
Speaker 1: this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely,
Speaker 1: the whole preposterous ideology at every level. Pretty bad stuff.
Speaker 1: Not great to hear a room full of people applied
Speaker 1: someone who's very clearly talking about the eradication of an
Speaker 1: entire group of people. And I want to specifically point
Speaker 1: out the from public life thing, because that was something
Speaker 1: that you know, like back when the first bathroom bills
Speaker 1: were happening in twenty sixteen, right, you know, like people
Speaker 1: like trans people who were following this stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: the thing everyone said was they're trying to they're trying
Speaker 1: to erase trans people from public life, right, because that's
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you can't use a restroom in public, Right,
Speaker 1: It's like it limits your ability to just exist in
Speaker 1: the public sphere. And we've gotten to a point now
Speaker 1: where they can just fucking say what we you know,
Speaker 1: what we all knew they wanted from the beginning, And
Speaker 1: that's terrifying. I remember when I hit them the kind
Speaker 1: of uncanny valley space, like when I hit the space
Speaker 1: where I freaked people out no matter what bathroom I used,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a very conscious thing where I
Speaker 1: remember it because I pick which bathroom to use based
Speaker 1: on safety, right, and and like depending on my presentation.
Speaker 1: It's it's wildly different depending on what kind of space
Speaker 1: I'm in, it's wildly different. I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: I just re member really consciously. The first time, I
Speaker 1: like just I picked the men's room and then got
Speaker 1: like double takes about why was I in there, And
Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, I like can't do anything anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like no, absolutely. After Noel's speech at SPACK arguing for
Speaker 1: the eradication of transgenderism, quote unquote, Daily Wire hosts, including
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh, defended him by saying, quote, we are in
Speaker 1: a war against the most deranged ideology ever invented by
Speaker 1: the human race. We are fighting to eradicate the ideological
Speaker 1: equivalent of a parasitic infection. But is a term like
Speaker 1: eradicate over the top. Does it have a needlessly militant tone? No,
Speaker 1: definitely not. The tone may be militant, but not needlessly so.
Speaker 1: We are, after all, in a war and lives are
Speaker 1: at stake. We are in a war against the most
Speaker 1: deranged ideology ever invented by the human race. Plane and sample.
Speaker 1: We are fighting to eradicate the ideological equivalent of a
Speaker 1: parasitic infestation. And the parasite gender ideology seeks to not
Speaker 1: only brainwash a generation of children, not only degrade and
Speaker 1: appropriate womanhood, but also and manhood by the way, but also,
Speaker 1: and most fundamentally, it seeks to eat away at truth itself.
Speaker 1: This is coming from somebody who glibly refers to himself
Speaker 1: as a theocratic fascist, And in cases like this, when
Speaker 1: they tell you who they are, you should fucking believe them.
Speaker 1: Like the first bit of that clip is like pretty bad,
Speaker 1: very very clearly fascistic like it's it's checking all of
Speaker 1: the boxes. But then I'm going to continue on to
Speaker 1: the second part of this clip, and it is incredibly chilling.
Speaker 1: Can we point out about how his poor choice and
Speaker 1: plaid is also degrading into masculinity. Really, he is the
Speaker 1: greatest threat to masculine right now because of his plaid choice.
Speaker 1: Eradication of gender ideology. Total defeat is the only option
Speaker 1: because there's no compromise with it, there's no living side
Speaker 1: by side with it, there's no finding common ground. The
Speaker 1: gender ideologue wants to destroy your culture and your children.
Speaker 1: You will either rise up against it or lose everything
Speaker 1: to it. We're so fucked, it's so Nazzi, Like, yeah, quote,
Speaker 1: total defeat is the only option. The gender ideologue wants
Speaker 1: to destroy your culture and your children. Like that is
Speaker 1: less than the stones throw away from We must have
Speaker 1: secure the existence of our people in the future for
Speaker 1: white children. It's right there. It's like, it's so it's
Speaker 1: so clear. I think there's like a tiny grain of
Speaker 1: truth in it, which is that like they are very
Speaker 1: very very close to like permanently losing the battle over
Speaker 1: where the trans people could exist, and that's why they're
Speaker 1: doing this right, because like the only like like like
Speaker 1: so support for trans people getting healthcare is like sixty
Speaker 1: is at like sixty percent, right, the only thing they
Speaker 1: have left is just straight up genocide because if they
Speaker 1: don't fucking kill us all now, right, and they don't
Speaker 1: right now act to make it impossible for future trans
Speaker 1: people to be trans, right, they are going to lose.
Speaker 1: And I will talk about this towards the end of
Speaker 1: the episode. This is kind of part of my thesis
Speaker 1: on this, and this is something that Michael Knowles himself
Speaker 1: actually admits. In one of Michael Knowles's first shows after Sepack,
Speaker 1: he suggests that eradicating transgenderism would be a simple matter
Speaker 1: of returning to the state of Affairs in twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: to eradicate transgenderism from public life. And it's a good question.
Speaker 1: I'm glad people are talking about that. That was the
Speaker 1: point of my speech. What would it mean to eradicate
Speaker 1: the preposterous ideology of transgenderism from public life at every level?
Speaker 1: Put simply, eradicating transgenderism from public life would mean behaving
Speaker 1: as American society did before, say twenty fifteen. Before round
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, we did not have any acceptance of transgenderism
Speaker 1: in public life. Also, in just like a grim moment
Speaker 1: of sourality, in the middle of that clip, Knowles does
Speaker 1: an adder read for a company called Rabbit Air, which
Speaker 1: is an air purifier company who has an office in Pasadena, California.
Speaker 1: She's fucking oh ba. Knowles goes on to blame Obama
Speaker 1: for leading this wave of trans acceptance in public life. Now,
Speaker 1: this whole twenty fifteen thing is very funny to me
Speaker 1: because in a lot of ways, it was actually kind
Speaker 1: of easier to be trans in twenty fifteen that it
Speaker 1: is right now. But I think that this is mostly
Speaker 1: that like for conservatives, it's mostly that young trans people
Speaker 1: are simply more visible now, mostly due to things like TikTok.
Speaker 1: Like there's just there's a more visible presence of trans
Speaker 1: joy and trans people living, and that is angering conservatives.
Speaker 1: So they think it's just like some new recent thing.
Speaker 1: And because Michael Knowles did an ad break for Rabbit Air,
Speaker 1: who again has an office and Pacady, Ina, California, I too,
Speaker 1: am going to do an ad break for our fine sponsors.
Speaker 1: All right, and we're back. We are we are almost done.
Speaker 1: I only have like one or two more clips to
Speaker 1: show I like the ad for Rabbit Air that just
Speaker 1: played Chuck Off. So in Michael knowles case, I think
Speaker 1: he isn't even primarily against just like trans equality, he
Speaker 1: is against modernity. Now, when I say modernity, I'm not
Speaker 1: referring to like industrial civilization. It's many consequences for humans
Speaker 1: and the planet at large. Right wing anti modernism is
Speaker 1: very different than like anarchist ANTISTI of ideas. This idea
Speaker 1: of modernism isn't really tied to industrial developments. It's more
Speaker 1: linked to a psycho spiritual antagonism against modern social progress.
Speaker 1: It's more akin to the esoteric super fascist Julius Vola's
Speaker 1: idea of like revolt against the modern world and how
Speaker 1: liberalism is like a plague against moral society and causing
Speaker 1: maths degeneracy. Michael knowles own Twitter bio reads quote, I
Speaker 1: am completely opposed to the error of the modernists. Again,
Speaker 1: when these people tell tell you who they are, you
Speaker 1: have to believe them. Um. Just this week, during a
Speaker 1: speech at the University of Buffalo, Knowles laid out a
Speaker 1: plan to attack quote the illogic of so called gay marriage,
Speaker 1: the rights to fornication, and the feminists who loosened divorce laws. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's worth pointing out here, right.
Speaker 1: I think I think the actual reason why twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: is the year that he picked out of his head
Speaker 1: is at twenty fifteen is the year that game that
Speaker 1: game marriage was legalized by the Supreme Court. Sure like
Speaker 1: that that like ninety nine percent chats that he means
Speaker 1: like twenty fifteen before gay marriage is the thing that
Speaker 1: he wants to go back to. But here's here's here's
Speaker 1: a clip of him talking about how conservatives have continued
Speaker 1: to lose the battleground at a whole bunch of topics
Speaker 1: and how he's going to try to win them back. Now,
Speaker 1: even many conservatives accept so called gay marriage, and they
Speaker 1: have to. They have to accept gay marriage if they
Speaker 1: accept the illogic of the Sexual Revolution, which held that
Speaker 1: all sexual relations are fine and dandy so long as
Speaker 1: they're consensual. After the Sexual Revolution, the only test for
Speaker 1: sexual ethics became if it feels good, do it. For
Speaker 1: most of American history to nobody believes that too. For
Speaker 1: most of American history, there were all sorts of laws
Speaker 1: against certain sexual behaviors. There were famously laws against sodomy,
Speaker 1: but there were lots of other laws as well, laws
Speaker 1: against fornication, laws against adultery, laws against plenty of other
Speaker 1: destructive sexual behaviors. Those laws around the books as recently
Speaker 1: as two thousand and three, when liberals on the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court discovered in the Constitution some sort of right to
Speaker 1: all of those things. He wants all these things to
Speaker 1: become illegal. Again, that that is his political project. And
Speaker 1: to quote airy drenand quote none of this is a
Speaker 1: theoretical exercise. After banning drag or gender I firm and
Speaker 1: care for minors, the Tennessee House yesterday passed a bill
Speaker 1: that would allow local officials to refuse same sex, interfaith,
Speaker 1: or interracial marriages unquote. Now, last year we titled some
Speaker 1: of our episodes that cover this wave of anti trans
Speaker 1: attacks quote like the War on Transpeople unquote, and even
Speaker 1: like considering the origin of this podcast, I am often
Speaker 1: hesitant to entertain fantasies of actual civil conflict in the
Speaker 1: United States, But in this case, like they are the
Speaker 1: ones who are killing us and trying to make our
Speaker 1: very existence illegal, it is them who has initiated this
Speaker 1: type of militant language. The last clip I have here
Speaker 1: is of Matt Walsh talking about just that we aren't
Speaker 1: even remotely done. Okay, this is honestly only the beginning.
Speaker 1: We've got a lot more in store for you. I
Speaker 1: promised you a year ago that we were going to
Speaker 1: war here, and I kept that promise. I'll keep this
Speaker 1: one too. There's much more to be done, that needs
Speaker 1: to be done, and we aim to do it. So
Speaker 1: the battle continues. Whether you like it or not. The
Speaker 1: battle continues. So a few days ago, the Governor of
Speaker 1: Mississippi brought Matt Walsh to speak during an official press
Speaker 1: conference about the signing of House Bill one one two
Speaker 1: five banning gender affirming healthcare for minors. The presence of
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh at a State of Mississippi official press conference
Speaker 1: is a clear example of fascism being inserted into the
Speaker 1: governmental process. And speaking of bills, I'm going to hand
Speaker 1: this over to Mia to now talk about some of
Speaker 1: the legislative stuff. Yay, yeah, wow, So this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a long one, I'm sorry, folks. Yeah. Unfortunately, the
Speaker 1: list of ways in which they are trying to kill
Speaker 1: us as long. So, yeah, this is this is the
Speaker 1: inevitable result of that. In one of the very early clips, right,
Speaker 1: I think, how I can't remember which one it was,
Speaker 1: one of the maybe it was Kennis Owen has talked
Speaker 1: about like our publicist at Media Matters, right, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think there is in a
Speaker 1: lot of cases. I think there's a lot of merit
Speaker 1: and not like covering this ship when it's specifically people
Speaker 1: like like very specific, Like you know Alex Jones does this, right, Well,
Speaker 1: he'll say something like specifically incredibly inflammatory is a way
Speaker 1: to start to get media attention to him. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: in this case, we can't fucking do that because all
Speaker 1: of the policy proposals that these people want are getting
Speaker 1: actually fucking implemented. So here here's from the Human Rights
Speaker 1: Campaign about how bad things have gotten. Less than two
Speaker 1: months into twenty twenty three, Human Rights Campaign is already
Speaker 1: tracking three hundred and forty anti LGBTQ bills that have
Speaker 1: been introduced in state houses across the country. I think
Speaker 1: four hundred. Oh yeah, it's this, Yeah, I was gonna
Speaker 1: get this. So those numbers are from early Those numbers
Speaker 1: are from early February, right or mid February. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's something like over four hundred. It's really hard to
Speaker 1: get actual totals because there are so fucking many of them.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty of those would specifically restrict the
Speaker 1: rights of transgender people, the highest number of bills targeting
Speaker 1: transgender people in a single year to date. They also note,
Speaker 1: as everyone else does, every single successive year breaks the
Speaker 1: record for the most number of bills targeting trans people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those numbers are already out of date, and okay, so
Speaker 1: on the one hands, right there, there are there are
Speaker 1: real problems with projects that just track the raw number
Speaker 1: of bills, and you know, okay, on the one hands,
Speaker 1: the world like the raw numbers are I think a
Speaker 1: good way of actually getting people to sort of understand
Speaker 1: like the level of threat that is happening, like just
Speaker 1: sort of just sort of the raw magnitude of the threats.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, okay, it's kind of misleading in
Speaker 1: the sense that almost all these bills are going to
Speaker 1: fail because most of these most most and this is
Speaker 1: the incredible important thing here, most but not all, most
Speaker 1: of these bills are made by just random state lawmakers
Speaker 1: and no political backing. And this allows organizations, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of like like a lot of the nonprofit groups
Speaker 1: who work in these sort of legislative spaces to like
Speaker 1: claim credit for defeating like ninety percent of the bills,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no, like most of those, like
Speaker 1: almost none of them we're ever going to pass in
Speaker 1: the first place. And the second thing that it does
Speaker 1: is it puts this sort of cloud out, which makes
Speaker 1: it really really difficult, you know, if you're just being
Speaker 1: if you're if you're trying to follow right, the sort
Speaker 1: of legislative process here, it gets very very hard because
Speaker 1: it's it's very difficult to sort out which bills have
Speaker 1: any chance of passing in which ones are just some
Speaker 1: random dipshit like first term like I don't know someone
Speaker 1: some like first term lawmaker from like a part of
Speaker 1: Mississippi that is two lawmakers right, like. But so my, my,
Speaker 1: my solution to this is we're going to run through
Speaker 1: the bills had ever already been passed. Um, I guess
Speaker 1: we should just started in Mississippi because we've sort of
Speaker 1: already talked about Yeah, Governor Tate Reeves inviting that wallshy
Speaker 1: have a speech at the bill signing ceremony. So in
Speaker 1: Mississippi a law was passed called the reap Act, which
Speaker 1: you know, that's. That's great. It's a that's that tells
Speaker 1: you exactly what they fucking I mean by this. Uh,
Speaker 1: this is a bill that bans and this this is
Speaker 1: a very very common pattern for bills. Um. It bans
Speaker 1: miners from getting hormones, from getting any kind of gender
Speaker 1: affirming surgery, and blocks anyone from getting puberty blockers. Um.
Speaker 1: We've said this before, We'll say it again. All of
Speaker 1: this stuff is good. Kids should be able to get
Speaker 1: these things. Kids should be able to g these things easier.
Speaker 1: They they just unfathomably improve the lives of the child
Speaker 1: you get them. All of the data supports this notion.
Speaker 1: This has been normalized for literally decades. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: mean puberty blockers in particular is one of the things
Speaker 1: that's become the focus of like, oh, it's not safe.
Speaker 1: It's like puberty blockers were the compromise position, right, And
Speaker 1: this is something that I think has been lost in
Speaker 1: a lot of debate about this, because you know, we've
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where everything is being banned, but
Speaker 1: puberty blockers. You know, we're a compromise position because you
Speaker 1: could give people puberty blockers without like actually giving trans
Speaker 1: kids to hormones. That they need, and even that, you know,
Speaker 1: we're at a point where stays there's just full on
Speaker 1: banning kids from getting them. This sucks, it's awful. It
Speaker 1: is killing trans kids. Um. Mississippi also has a ban
Speaker 1: one of the other things about this specific one and
Speaker 1: not all the states are doing it do this, but
Speaker 1: this specific bill also bans state money from going to
Speaker 1: any institution that practices like does like gender form for miners.
Speaker 1: They also have an anti sports law, so you can,
Speaker 1: you know, you can see the sort of like how
Speaker 1: how the dominoes went down in terms of like, sorry,
Speaker 1: you can see how the dominoes fell down in terms
Speaker 1: of where it started and where it was going right
Speaker 1: for at first you get your anti bathroom log. Then
Speaker 1: you you get your sort of like keep trans people
Speaker 1: out of sports, and then and then you get healthcare laws. Yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I Will also has a band that's you know,
Speaker 1: but basically identical identical band on hormone gender firming surgery,
Speaker 1: and puberty blockers. They also passed a bill that bands
Speaker 1: trans kids from using bathrooms and locker rooms according to
Speaker 1: their gender and elementary, middle and high schools. And I
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about this, because this
Speaker 1: is going to lead to kids getting fucking raped, because
Speaker 1: it turns out if you force a trans girl into
Speaker 1: a men's locker room, things are going to go real
Speaker 1: fucking bad for them. They don't give a shit about this, right,
Speaker 1: They simply do not care. Um, but that's you know
Speaker 1: that that that's that that that's the actual substantive results. Um.
Speaker 1: I will also pass. I've seen it variously refers to
Speaker 1: as like I don't say trans or like I don't
Speaker 1: say LGBTQ plus bill. This is a bill that prohibits
Speaker 1: teachers who teach either from kindergarteners through sixth grade from
Speaker 1: teaching about trans niss like at all. You can't teach
Speaker 1: about gender. You can't teach about like sex. You can't
Speaker 1: teach about you know, you can't teach about the fact
Speaker 1: that you can, in fact change your gender and it's
Speaker 1: good and cool. Um. The Human Rights Campaign says quote.
Speaker 1: This bill would also prohibit schools from providing gender reforming
Speaker 1: accommodations for transgender students without parental consents, and would require
Speaker 1: school staff to out transgender students. UM. So I read
Speaker 1: this bill and it's not clear to me how it
Speaker 1: requires that but that's what the lawyers are saying, and
Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer, so it may or may not
Speaker 1: require that. This is another thing, very specifically, This isn't
Speaker 1: everything that that that that's been happening in the sort
Speaker 1: of news where waves of these laws are laws that
Speaker 1: specifically require school counselors, teachers, and school staff to out
Speaker 1: their kids, like to out kids to their parents, which
Speaker 1: is unbelievably dangerous. In the last few years alone, there
Speaker 1: have been a bunch of trans people who are just
Speaker 1: killed by their parents. And you know, forcibly adding people
Speaker 1: is like you you're you're exposing them to the risk
Speaker 1: of abuse, You're exposing them to the risk of unsafe
Speaker 1: housing environments. No, it's just a little soft whack by
Speaker 1: your grandma, I remember, just a little a little tap
Speaker 1: on the head. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna fucking beat
Speaker 1: you to death. So these bills in Iowa have been
Speaker 1: passed by the House in the Senate and they're just
Speaker 1: like they're just like sitting on a desk waiting for
Speaker 1: the government to sign them, and the governor's going to
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that situation in Iowa. In Arkansas, you
Speaker 1: have the hormone pubuty blocker, gender firming surgery ban. The
Speaker 1: Arkansas one is on hold because you know, and this
Speaker 1: is a this is true for a couple of these,
Speaker 1: is that people have done legal challenges on it, and yeah,
Speaker 1: our Arkansas particulars had a huge legal fight. We still
Speaker 1: don't know how that's I mean, the legal fights are
Speaker 1: going on for like a year. We still haven't gotten
Speaker 1: ruling on it yet. They also have a ban on
Speaker 1: transcids competing in sports. Alabama made it a Class C
Speaker 1: felony punishable by oh to a decade in prison. To
Speaker 1: give trensch Endry kids hormones, puberty blockers, gender affirming surgery.
Speaker 1: This was also interesting because it's the only bill so
Speaker 1: most of these ones when they do when they say minors, right,
Speaker 1: it's until you're eighteen. You can't get it for whatever reason. Alabama,
Speaker 1: it also bans eighteen year olds from getting any of
Speaker 1: these things. You just have to be nineteen. Yeah, part
Speaker 1: part of the bill, you know about hormone blockers, So okay,
Speaker 1: So specifically, the part of the parts of this bill
Speaker 1: that are about hormones and hormone blockers are on hold
Speaker 1: pending sort of resolution to legal challenges. But the judge
Speaker 1: was like, fuck it, you can do with the surgery band,
Speaker 1: So that sucks. Alabama also has bills that you know,
Speaker 1: have the whole trans kids in school can't use the
Speaker 1: right bathroom and you know, teachers, counselors and other school
Speaker 1: officials have to out them. They also have another dose
Speaker 1: trans bill that does a very similar thing about bands
Speaker 1: teachers from talking about transits until fifth grade. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of these bills are written by like lobbying
Speaker 1: groups who just be and paced the same thing. And
Speaker 1: so I see a whole bunch of different states. I
Speaker 1: will say there are weird differences in them, like so
Speaker 1: you'll see like different completely scattered shot like definitions of
Speaker 1: what hormones are, or like like some somebody's bills trying
Speaker 1: to find what a woman is. And it's very funny
Speaker 1: because they have to like do all this weird stuff
Speaker 1: about like like clusters of like chromosomes, but also there's
Speaker 1: like chromosomal diseases, Like you can't do this, like a
Speaker 1: fuck off. It's it's so funny. We should also mention that,
Speaker 1: like there will be more reporting on this later, this bill.
Speaker 1: This episodes are ready too long, but there have been
Speaker 1: a bunch of emails released from a bunch of anti
Speaker 1: trans sort of organizer and fake scientists and stuff about
Speaker 1: how they've been coordinating all of this, and a lot
Speaker 1: of the experts that they use for testimony for all
Speaker 1: off they show up to these capitals are like, are
Speaker 1: exactly the same people, And the big guy they have
Speaker 1: saying that puberty blockers is unsafe like has never worked
Speaker 1: with a transperson in their life and has no fucking
Speaker 1: idea what they're talking about. So you know, this is
Speaker 1: this is this is this is fun. Utah also bands
Speaker 1: also passed a band banning gender affirming surgeries, puberty blockers,
Speaker 1: and hormones. They also have a band I also have
Speaker 1: a bill forcing students and counselors to out their students
Speaker 1: to their families. Last year, Utah Governor Spencer Cox was
Speaker 1: praised by the media for a symbolic veto of a
Speaker 1: bill that made it illegal for trans students to compete
Speaker 1: in sports. Cox signed this fucking bill. Signed, signed, the
Speaker 1: one signed, the one that bands of gender affirming surgeries,
Speaker 1: pubty blockers, and hormones. Yeah, I think we're talked about
Speaker 1: this last year. Yeah, I want to we had we
Speaker 1: talked about some Utah thing last Yeah, well we talked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the thing we talked about him vetoing that bill. Um,
Speaker 1: I want to read his thing for why why he packed?
Speaker 1: Why so he vetoed the bill that was less bad
Speaker 1: and signed the one that's worse. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: read what he said about this quote. While we understand
Speaker 1: our words will be of little comfort to those who
Speaker 1: disagree with us, we sincerely hope that we can treat
Speaker 1: our transgender families with more love and respect as we
Speaker 1: work to better understand the science and consequences behind these procedures.
Speaker 1: Fuck off, Fuck all the way off. He's trying to
Speaker 1: avoid the Nuremberg trials. Look as a neutrals. As a
Speaker 1: neutral objective journalist, I'm obligated to inform me that Spencer
Speaker 1: Cox was a full time missionary from the Mormon Church,
Speaker 1: which is currently embroiled in a pedophilias gandal after is
Speaker 1: revealed to have systematically protected church members and members of
Speaker 1: the clergy who sexually abused children from church sanctions and
Speaker 1: legal repercussions. Under Utah law, clergy have the right of
Speaker 1: penitent privilege, which means they are not required to report
Speaker 1: child abuse to the authorities as long as the information
Speaker 1: is revealedgere confession. Both the Mormon and Catholic churches, along
Speaker 1: with Jehovah's witnesses, have lobbied against all efforts have changed
Speaker 1: this law. Earlier this month, survivors at the Mormon Church
Speaker 1: rallied in support of a bill that would have endependent privilege.
Speaker 1: Governor Cox publicly announced his support for the bill being
Speaker 1: considered and in legislature, but did nothing to pressure legislators
Speaker 1: to vote for and as of time of recording, the
Speaker 1: bill is dead, leaving the church free to protect yet
Speaker 1: another round of pedophiles. Also, his name is Cox. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so South Dakota also did. I could do this for
Speaker 1: every fucking governor on this list, and I decided I
Speaker 1: was going to do it once and not do it
Speaker 1: for all the rest of them, but fuck him. South
Speaker 1: Dakota has a sports bill. They also have a ban
Speaker 1: on puberty blockers, hormones, degenerate framing surgery. Arizona has a
Speaker 1: NATI bathroom bill. Tennessee has a sports ban. It has
Speaker 1: the basically identical ban on puberty blockers, hormones, and gender
Speaker 1: affirming surgery, and it also has this. It also has
Speaker 1: what's been kind of a new innovation. I guess which
Speaker 1: is the anti they have an anti drag law. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is the one that's gotten the most amount attraction,
Speaker 1: and it sparked some debate over how much of it
Speaker 1: can actually be applied against just trans people living their
Speaker 1: lives because it is tied to the state's pre existing
Speaker 1: obscenity laws. So there's been some debate about this. We will,
Speaker 1: we will. We will learn more about this as it
Speaker 1: starts being enforced by law enforcement and the court system. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. It's not good. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it a little bit more
Speaker 1: so the specific bill, it makes it illegal for anyone
Speaker 1: to be underage and a drag show. And you know,
Speaker 1: it basically applies like the rules around the sex offender
Speaker 1: list for where you can have drag shows. So Governor
Speaker 1: William Brian Lee, who signed this bill, did drag in
Speaker 1: high school, which I'm saying. No, I'm saying here not
Speaker 1: to out the hypocrisy, like Governor Lee doesn't see anything
Speaker 1: any hypocrisy here, but to get across the fact the
Speaker 1: Republicans who want to do this stuff will still be
Speaker 1: able to This bill will targeted a very very specific
Speaker 1: group of people. As Jules gil Peterson points out in
Speaker 1: your piece to left hand of the law, which people
Speaker 1: should go read, this is an attack on a very specific,
Speaker 1: precarious class of workers, many of whom are trans, some
Speaker 1: of whom aren't, who do drag performances. This is this
Speaker 1: is it's it's it's a very specific attempt to sort
Speaker 1: of like neutralize, Okay, it's targeting this very specific middle
Speaker 1: ground between sort of like being in the formal economy
Speaker 1: and doing sex work. There are an enormous amount of
Speaker 1: trans people who do sex work. Drag shows provide a
Speaker 1: way to sort of like not exactly enter the middle class,
Speaker 1: but it provides a legal way for trans people to
Speaker 1: like have a job that's not fucking that. And those
Speaker 1: and those workers are specifically the people being targeted by this.
Speaker 1: I don't know. The other thing that's unclear is, for example,
Speaker 1: like if a podcast does a live show where there's
Speaker 1: trans people, like, what will happen? We don't know. But
Speaker 1: the other thing I want to say about this, right
Speaker 1: is everyone's talking about this fucking drag bill. I have
Speaker 1: seen like basically zero discussion of the of the fact
Speaker 1: that they also past the same fucking band on puberty blockers,
Speaker 1: hormones and gender affirming surgery, which is way way more
Speaker 1: destructive and damaging. It's like but directly attacking. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I think I want to push back about the like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like what you're talking about about, like what will happen
Speaker 1: if you do a live show? Like what will happen?
Speaker 1: Because to trans people who live in these states, the
Speaker 1: state I live in as a red state, well it's
Speaker 1: not supposed to be, but as a red state, and
Speaker 1: you know, is considering a drag bill and things like that.
Speaker 1: And I recognize that they're like aimed, they're targeted specifically
Speaker 1: at drag performances, but there's a fairly easy interpretation of
Speaker 1: a lot of these things that literally says I can
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store. And that is how like
Speaker 1: a lot of transpeople in Tennessee are viewing this right now.
Speaker 1: And so I don't think it's it's a disproportionate thing
Speaker 1: that the drag bill is something that a lot of
Speaker 1: people are focusing on. I mean, we all care also
Speaker 1: about the hormone issues or whatever, but the Tennessee passing
Speaker 1: the drag law that other states are considering is a
Speaker 1: new bad thing that could criminalize our very public existence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is part of the kind of discussion around this
Speaker 1: laws ties to the pre existing obscenity laws, and that
Speaker 1: will heavily depend on the discretion that law enforcement chooses
Speaker 1: to employ this law, and if it gets taken up
Speaker 1: to the court system, how the court's going to interpret
Speaker 1: this law. So it is like the vagueness is part
Speaker 1: of the point because that causes a lot of fear
Speaker 1: because you really just don't know what it all entails.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's weird because you don't know if you
Speaker 1: going to the store is going to be a felony
Speaker 1: or not, And how are you supposed to live like that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it I don't know. The sort of pervasive atmosphere
Speaker 1: of fear is definitely like part of the point of this, right,
Speaker 1: Like part of the way the sort of extermination campaign
Speaker 1: works is by forcing everyone to sort of live in
Speaker 1: fear of what they can and can't do, and also
Speaker 1: live in fear specifically of the police increasing the amount
Speaker 1: of violence that they're deploying. Yeah, I mean, and all
Speaker 1: the stuff like we talked about, they're specifically targeting people's
Speaker 1: ability to exist in a public life, which is whenever
Speaker 1: you want to do a genocide, that's one of the
Speaker 1: things you do is you make people unable to exist
Speaker 1: in public life. This is literally what the Nazis did, right,
Speaker 1: Like you section them off into their own little communities
Speaker 1: where they cannot actually leave and enter into the outside world. Yep. So,
Speaker 1: so far as of writing this, there are seven states
Speaker 1: with bands on gender, firm and care for Youth. I
Speaker 1: was to become number eight whenever the governor gets around
Speaker 1: as signing the bill. There are nineteen states that ban
Speaker 1: trans athletes from competing. There are a number of states.
Speaker 1: Oh so other soft forgot much. So there's like literally
Speaker 1: while I was like, while I was like waiting to
Speaker 1: record this episode, there were a few things that happened
Speaker 1: in like the legislature. So in Florida, there was a
Speaker 1: bill that got just got out of committee that would
Speaker 1: ban LGBTQ books like in all libraries, not just sort
Speaker 1: of school libraries. So I don't know that that actually
Speaker 1: has a real chance of passing because it's Florida. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of movement right now. The situation is very
Speaker 1: very sort of fluid and bad. Yes, yeah, I would
Speaker 1: say it it is. Um. I think one closing note,
Speaker 1: I will save my kind of my ending thesis to
Speaker 1: start the next episode, just because we're going on so
Speaker 1: long here. But the last thing I will say is
Speaker 1: I be wary of social media accounts that to depend
Speaker 1: on ramping up and spreading panic to grow their follower accounts.
Speaker 1: Typically news news aggregation accounts are not the best source
Speaker 1: of information because their existence is entirely dependent on causing PANICUM.
Speaker 1: So like look into the things like beyond just a tweet,
Speaker 1: like look into stuff before before you spread it. Um.
Speaker 1: Just as like a general rule of thumb. I'm not
Speaker 1: calling anybody out here in any way, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: it is. It is a good practice to get into,
Speaker 1: especially when we're looking into stuff that is about our
Speaker 1: very existence being criminalized, and that can be very depressing. Um.
Speaker 1: And it can suck to be constantly bombarded with. So
Speaker 1: it's good to stay connected to stuff that's going on
Speaker 1: in your own state. It's good to stay connected to
Speaker 1: bills that have a decent trends of passing. But but
Speaker 1: be wary of of of of undo panic spreading just
Speaker 1: constantly NonStop, because a big part of being trends needs
Speaker 1: to also be like finding joy in living. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: I think. The very last thing I want to say
Speaker 1: to lead into this next episode is We're not fucking
Speaker 1: done yet. We are still here. We're going to continue
Speaker 1: to be here. We are going to kick these people's
Speaker 1: fucking shit in and we are going to fight them
Speaker 1: for every fucking engine they are going to lose. And
Speaker 1: next episode is going to be us talking about how
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