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Speaker 1: is mia Anna Margaret. How how are you doing on

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Speaker 1: this fine day? It's it's been. It's been really fun

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Speaker 1: frantically updating my part of the script because they're keep

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Speaker 1: being fucking new bills that are like going through committee.

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Speaker 1: So it's great having having a good time. I'm doing great.

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Speaker 1: I'm not aware of anything that's wrong. I assume you

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Speaker 1: all are here to tell me that everything's fine forever well,

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Speaker 1: hopefully next episode we'll talk more about how we can like, uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't deal with this sort of thing. I most

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Speaker 1: I it was my job to handle the bad part

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they have and planned for the

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Speaker 1: together some of the worst bits that I feel like

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Speaker 1: two of us who are supposed to be writing about

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Speaker 1: that is a core part of the advice, I think,

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Speaker 1: so okay. So I think whenever I put together episodes

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Speaker 1: I don't want to include that unnecessarily because that's just

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Speaker 1: kind of a bummer. But I think it is also

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Speaker 1: That's what's going to be kind of part of this episode.

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Speaker 1: A lot of this is going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: hosts that are employed by the conservative news site ran

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Speaker 1: by Ben Shapiro, The Daily Wire. They have really, really

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Speaker 1: This is why they're doing this right now. It is.

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Speaker 1: It is part of an attempt to actually affect the

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Speaker 1: So that course that should be banned. If you are

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Speaker 1: they're trying to stop anyone from being trans. Yes, this

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Speaker 1: attacks on man's sexual nature and sexual difference in complimentarity

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Speaker 1: It's very clearly alchemical. Please please get your occult terms right.

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Speaker 1: even an atheist. I don't know exactly what I am.

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Speaker 1: But like when you hear people just being like God

428
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: has willed me to do this murder or whatever, that

429
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: this is what this person is saying. I'm just like

430
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: they think of themselves as like holy warriors who have

431
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: been chosen by God to eradicate this demonic plague that

432
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: is infecting like humankind. Yeah, it would be like if

433
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they were like, and that's why

434
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,479
Speaker 1: Gandolf has told me that I must go on a quest.

435
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: Like I'm just like, am I living in the same

436
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: century as these people? Like, again, not an atheist, but

437
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm just like you've decided that sky Daddy has told

438
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 1: you to march off to murder, Like, yeah, that doesn't

439
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: even map to a fucking basic understanding even of religious anyway. Sorry, No, absolutely,

440
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: And I mean this unfortunately continues to get worse. Yea.

441
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: The very next day, Michael Knowles defended his elimination as rhetoric.

442
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: In another unhinged rant about the probably about two million

443
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Speaker 1: trans people in the United States, saying that quote, there

444
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: can't be a genocide of trans people because it's quote,

445
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: not a legitimate category of being. They said that I

446
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: was calling for the extermination of transgender people. They said

447
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: I was calling for a genocide against I said, I

448
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: must have missed that part of my show. When did

449
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: I did? I say that? I don't one. I don't

450
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: know how you could have a genocide of transgender people

451
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: because genocide refers to genes, It refers to genetics, it

452
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: refers to biology. And the whole point of those genderism

453
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: is that it has nothing to do with biology. That's

454
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Speaker 1: what the transgender activists say. They say, forget about biological sex.

455
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: My gender expression doesn't have to have anything to do

456
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: with my biological sex. Okay, well, then there can't be

457
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: a genocide that refers to genetics. But furthermore, nobody's calling

458
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: to exterminate anybody, because the other problem with that statement

459
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: is that transgender people is not a real ontological category.

460
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: It's not a legitimate category of being. There are people

461
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: who think that they're the wrong sex, but they're mistaken,

462
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: they're they're laboring under a delusion, and so we need

463
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: to correct that delusion. Okay, so that was that was

464
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm just clinging to my emotional support sword, Like,

465
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: what what solution, pretel, will you be employing to correct

466
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: that so called delusion? Maybe just like one one once,

467
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: like a like one one of the last one, Yeah,

468
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: fidal one, not a penultimate solution, that's not his his thing.

469
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: No one step further, the very the very last one.

470
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Speaker 1: I can't think of a of a of a of

471
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: another word for for for very last. But yeah, I

472
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: also like, have these motherfuckers karatyped themselves? No one has

473
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: almost no one has been goddamn like the percentage of

474
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: people who've seen what their genes are like, I don't

475
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: know whatever, sense it's nonsense. Yeah, that the science does

476
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: not hold up to the like thing you learn in

477
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: fourth grade that the you know, I don't know when

478
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: they teach you x x and x y or whatever.

479
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: But it's like, but like, that's not science, that's not

480
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: the current scientific understanding. And I think it's never really

481
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: been the scientific understanding. That part I'm not as certain about.

482
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 1: Um No, I mean like it's and by saying I'm

483
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: not calling for genocide because the group I'm targeting aren't

484
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: even a real group of people. They're not even literally

485
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: it's literally the talking point of every single jenicidal fascist

486
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: ever it existence. So like like literally this is I

487
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: can I cannot find the person who was writing about this.

488
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: I apologize immensely. But when when when this clip was

489
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: first circulating, there was a really interesting article of BA

490
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: that was circulating about how like not a legitimate category.

491
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: Gry is what like the word that gets translated as degenerate,

492
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: like that the Nazis used like actually means like like

493
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: that's like non legitimate kind of like that very specifically

494
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: is what the Nazis used as like you know, as

495
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: as they're saying, for we need to kill the Jews,

496
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: right like that. That's that's that's very very specifically what

497
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: they were doing. No, And and like genocide does not

498
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: refer to genetics, it it doesn't. And and you know,

499
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, you can you can look at like because

500
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: like these people are like just unfathomably fucking stupid, right

501
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: Like they they they look at genocide, right and they

502
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: see the word gen and they go, this means no.

503
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: But you know, and I think I think something that

504
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: is worth mentioning is that So Raphael Lemkin is the

505
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: guy who coins the term genocide, right, Um, the Lemkin Institute,

506
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: which is the the like the lempicin SciTE, which is

507
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: the institute from this guy that that does genois, like

508
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: does anti genocide prevention works specifically in the West. Was

509
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: like there was now a risk of genocide against trans people.

510
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: So you know, the institute of the actual guy who

511
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: made the term genocide versus a guy who thinks that

512
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: jen means gene. It's like, it's just no, It's it's

513
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: very obvious that that saying that transgender people are not

514
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: a real ontological category is like he's doing He's literally

515
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: is how you do the Nazis did. That is how

516
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: you do Nazi stuff. Like I'm under the impression of

517
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing with ontology is accepting that there's like

518
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: multiple ontologies, Like it's clearly not an ontological concept in

519
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: his ontological like his way of viewing the world. That's

520
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: one of my problems, you know, I just like I

521
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: don't think he would pass a basic philosophy of course

522
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: in college, you know, Okay, I will say this my my, my,

523
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: my argument against against, specifically against there being multiple legitimate ontologies.

524
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: Is this is this these people's fucking ontology who like

525
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: believe that like these people, all these fucking freaks literally

526
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: believe individually right that there is no scientific explanation for

527
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: lightning and that like every act of lightning is an

528
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: individual act of God, that is not a legitimate ontology.

529
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: Like fuck that shit. No, I I refuse. I refuse

530
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: to do fucking to have to have there be fucking

531
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,479
Speaker 1: multiple valid ontological positions. I refuse for there to be

532
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: valid worlds like no, there's something are just wrong and

533
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: you have to be able to say that shit otherwise

534
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: you get this fucking bullshit reality tunnels do do be

535
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: funny like that? He He later added quote transgenderism ultimately

536
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: is a lie, It's a deception. It is a fraud.

537
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: Fraud is not protected by the First Amendment. Fraud is

538
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: not a category protected by the principles of a free speech.

539
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: You have no right to fraud. But you know, here's

540
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: the thing, I will I will agree with him. You

541
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: have no right to fraud. Fraud is not protected by

542
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: free speech. I really like have have have a real

543
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: fun time when we fucking come for you. On those principles.

544
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: It's a little like tights show disappears a few days

545
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: of A few days later, Noles once again invoked grooma

546
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: rhetoric and openly called drag Queen's pedophiles and explicitly called

547
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: on quote the heavy hand of the state to shut

548
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: down to drag shows and arrest performers and parents. Why

549
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: is he dressed like um, mister Rogers in a Black

550
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: Mirror episode. He's just mirror universe, mister Rogers. He's like

551
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: just telling you to hate your neighbor. You know. I

552
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: don't know how you can watch this and not conclude

553
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: that the performers are pedophiles. I don't use that word lightly.

554
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people on the right use

555
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: that word. They fling it around, and they use it

556
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: in precisely. I don't see how you can dance around

557
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: in a thong or in a leather harness in front

558
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: of babies and toddlers if you are not a pedophile.

559
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: So I'm I would be if not the farm, I'd

560
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: bet a lot of my money that that's the case,

561
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: and that's being normalized. I don't see how these parents

562
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: should be permitted to keep their children they're abusing your children,

563
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: are sexually abusing your children by taking them to these events.

564
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't see how whatever company is hosting this should

565
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 1: be allowed to keep its doors open. All of this

566
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: should be shut down by the heavy hand of the state.

567
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: All of these people other than the children should be arrested,

568
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: and some of them should face pretty severe consequences. Not

569
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: great stuff. He did hedge his bets. He was like,

570
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'm actually not sure about this. That was

571
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: my favorite part. I think it is. It is interesting

572
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: that the whole heavy hand of the state line is

573
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: is an interesting, little little unique gem in their style

574
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: of rhetoric whenever they explicitly call on the powers of

575
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: the government to do fascism. I think a lot of

576
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: this type of rhetoric was leading up to Seapack in

577
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: what should happened in early March. During Seapack, anti trans

578
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: rhetoric was a very central theme across There are many speakers.

579
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: That's like the big right wing gathering where all the

580
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: far right people get together and talk to an empty room. Well,

581
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: SEPAK is the Conservative Political Action Conference. It is far

582
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: right by the world's over to the window, but it's

583
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: like a mainstream right wing convention in the United States

584
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: cool So. The conference featured in a rave speakers, including

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00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: prominent Republican politicians and policymakers, as well as people like

586
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: Michael Knowles who are just like right wing pundits. The

587
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: many many speeches had attacks against gender affirming healthcare, trans

588
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: inclusive sports, and bathroom policies, as well as the you know,

589
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: the typical groomer and pedophelia stuff that we saw get

590
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: super popular last year, as well as framing this word

591
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: transgenderism as a radical ideology. Now, words like transgenderism and

592
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: gender ideology are not actually terms that trans people use.

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00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: These were terms invented by anti transactivists. I want to

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00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: be very certific about this because this is the thing

595
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand. The term gender ideology was

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00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: specifically invented by the Catholic Church, like as as as

597
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: a thing to oppose this and also a sort of

598
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: a way to oppose like gay marriage and like queerness

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00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: in general. And they're all of the fucking all of

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00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: the like shitty like one one of the one of

601
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: those sort of like quote unquote like dark secrets in

602
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: the fucking closet of all of the black people who

603
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: claim to be like radical feminists who are anti trance is.

604
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: All of these people specifically worked with the back back

605
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: when this up was first being developed in like the

606
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: late nineties and early two thousands. All of these people

607
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: worked with the Catholic Church specifically to make sure that

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00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: I like that that that more sort of liked more

609
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: gender inclusive like terminology and stuff like not on terminology,

610
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: like more gender and preclusive programs and definitions of like

611
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: of what gender is wouldn't be implemented at the un.

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00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: So this this sort of like rad fem conservative Catholic

613
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: alliance is very old, and most of the people who

614
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: are in it will deny that that's what they were doing,

615
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: but it is like, this is the this Catholic Church shit.

616
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: The Pope literally had a rant about how gender ideology

617
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: was colonialism, like like a week ago, and and and

618
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: the Pope does the same demonic rhetoric as these people.

619
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, so I believe this terms him.

620
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: It makes sense from him. That's his that's his thing,

621
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: that's his literal job. Yeah, which immediately also it's like, sir,

622
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: you are the pope, like shut the fuck up about colonization, man,

623
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like you know from Latin America. That doesn't

624
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: excuse you, like the church, the Catholic Church famously never never,

625
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: never done colonization. Um. But yeah, these words were invented

626
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: by anti transactivists to the humanized transgender people and frame

627
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: being trans as itself this dangerous ideology or a mental

628
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: illness in a need of curing um. CEPAC speakers consistently

629
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: invoked like grooming and pedophilia stuff in their In their

630
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: long anti LGBTQ hate rantum, Lauren Bobert claimed that educators

631
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: attempting to groom children, echoing the libs of TikTok stuff

632
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: that got popular in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two,

633
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: Tulsa Gabbard was at Seapack. She basically claimed that LGBTQ

634
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: plus people were trying to gain acceptance for pedophiles by

635
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: labeling them as minor attracted persons and allowing them to

636
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: teach in schools. This is another conspiracy theory that Libs

637
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: of TikTok has boosted for a long time. By the way,

638
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: I want to hold a fucking greed share, which is

639
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Speaker 1: that there were a lot of people who like claimed

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Speaker 1: to be leftist. Two in like twenty eighteen, twenty, nineteen, two,

641
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Speaker 1: and twenty were like telling all of us that Tulsa

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Speaker 1: Gabbard was a leftist. It was like the only antick

643
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: very clearly a fascist. Falk like she she, she like, no,

644
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: fuck off, you were wrong. Please admit you were wrong.

645
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: Please be more careful about who you're going to fucking

646
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Speaker 1: back so you don't end up backing this fucking like

647
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: weird peto jacketing dipshit. But you know who you should back.

648
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: Oh God, is it not yet? Not yet? Almost almost

649
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: not almost almost time? Sorry, I have abbot planned. Matt

650
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: Gates spoke about an instant in Virginia which the right

651
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: wing media sphere has spread disinformation about to falsely frame

652
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Speaker 1: it as an instance of a trans student abusing inclusive

653
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: bathroom policies to attack young girls. Just spreading all kinds

654
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: of misinformation and disinformation from these right wing hate websites,

655
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: that that is why they exist, is to prop by

656
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: gate disinformation. Marjor Taylor Green targeted gender affirming healthcare, praising

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Speaker 1: her current reintroduction of the twenty twenty two Protect Children's

658
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: Innocence Act in the House, a bill which would make

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Speaker 1: it a felony to provide a gender affirming care to miners.

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Speaker 1: Green spread the lies and disinformation made popular by Matt

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Speaker 1: Walsh that gender affirming healthcare is designed to quote mutilate

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Speaker 1: your kids and quote chemically castrate them. Stuff that we've

663
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: debunked on the show before and many others have debunked.

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Speaker 1: Trump gave a pretty pretty bad transphobic speech to close

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Speaker 1: out the conference. On the one side, he said that

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Speaker 1: he would keep men out of women's sports, but then

667
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: closed out Seepack by saying, quote, he would revoke every

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00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: Biden policy promoting the sexual mutilation and chemical castration of

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Speaker 1: our youth, and I will ask Congress to send me

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Speaker 1: a bill prohibiting child sexual mutilation in all fifty states unquote.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to include Trump's stuff here because I

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00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: find his voice to be slightly annoying. Anyway, moving off,

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00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: Donald Trump more annoying than Michael Knowles. Shocking so hard,

674
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: challenge level, almost impossible speak. Speaking of Michael Knowles, he

675
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: gave a speech at Seapack where he advocated that transgenderism

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Speaker 1: must be eradicated. To thunderous applause. Now I'm going to

677
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: play this whole clip here, Bear with me. There can

678
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: be no middle way in dealing with transgenderism. It is

679
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: all or nothing. If transgenderism is if men really can

680
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Speaker 1: become women, then it's true for everybody of all ages.

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00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: If transgenderism is false, as it is, if men really

682
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: can't become women, as they cannot, then it's false for

683
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: everybody too. And if it's false, then we should not

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Speaker 1: indulge in, especially since that indulgence requires taking away the

685
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Speaker 1: rights and customs of so many people. If it is false,

686
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Speaker 1: then for the good of society, and especially for the

687
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: good of the poor people who have fallen prey to

688
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: this confusion, transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely,

689
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: the whole preposterous ideology at every level. Pretty bad stuff.

690
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: Not great to hear a room full of people applied

691
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Speaker 1: someone who's very clearly talking about the eradication of an

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Speaker 1: entire group of people. And I want to specifically point

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Speaker 1: out the from public life thing, because that was something

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Speaker 1: that you know, like back when the first bathroom bills

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00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: were happening in twenty sixteen, right, you know, like people

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Speaker 1: like trans people who were following this stuff. You know,

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Speaker 1: the thing everyone said was they're trying to they're trying

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Speaker 1: to erase trans people from public life, right, because that's

699
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: that's what happens when you can't use a restroom in public, Right,

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Speaker 1: It's like it limits your ability to just exist in

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Speaker 1: the public sphere. And we've gotten to a point now

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Speaker 1: where they can just fucking say what we you know,

703
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Speaker 1: what we all knew they wanted from the beginning, And

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Speaker 1: that's terrifying. I remember when I hit them the kind

705
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Speaker 1: of uncanny valley space, like when I hit the space

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Speaker 1: where I freaked people out no matter what bathroom I used,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like a very conscious thing where I

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Speaker 1: remember it because I pick which bathroom to use based

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Speaker 1: on safety, right, and and like depending on my presentation.

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Speaker 1: It's it's wildly different depending on what kind of space

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Speaker 1: I'm in, it's wildly different. I don't know, I just

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Speaker 1: I just re member really consciously. The first time, I

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Speaker 1: like just I picked the men's room and then got

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Speaker 1: like double takes about why was I in there, And

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Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, I like can't do anything anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like no, absolutely. After Noel's speech at SPACK arguing for

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Speaker 1: the eradication of transgenderism, quote unquote, Daily Wire hosts, including

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00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh, defended him by saying, quote, we are in

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Speaker 1: a war against the most deranged ideology ever invented by

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Speaker 1: the human race. We are fighting to eradicate the ideological

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00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: equivalent of a parasitic infection. But is a term like

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Speaker 1: eradicate over the top. Does it have a needlessly militant tone? No,

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Speaker 1: definitely not. The tone may be militant, but not needlessly so.

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Speaker 1: We are, after all, in a war and lives are

725
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Speaker 1: at stake. We are in a war against the most

726
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: deranged ideology ever invented by the human race. Plane and sample.

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Speaker 1: We are fighting to eradicate the ideological equivalent of a

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00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: parasitic infestation. And the parasite gender ideology seeks to not

729
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: only brainwash a generation of children, not only degrade and

730
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Speaker 1: appropriate womanhood, but also and manhood by the way, but also,

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Speaker 1: and most fundamentally, it seeks to eat away at truth itself.

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Speaker 1: This is coming from somebody who glibly refers to himself

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Speaker 1: as a theocratic fascist, And in cases like this, when

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00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: they tell you who they are, you should fucking believe them.

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00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: Like the first bit of that clip is like pretty bad,

736
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: very very clearly fascistic like it's it's checking all of

737
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Speaker 1: the boxes. But then I'm going to continue on to

738
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Speaker 1: the second part of this clip, and it is incredibly chilling.

739
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: Can we point out about how his poor choice and

740
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: plaid is also degrading into masculinity. Really, he is the

741
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: greatest threat to masculine right now because of his plaid choice.

742
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: Eradication of gender ideology. Total defeat is the only option

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00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: because there's no compromise with it, there's no living side

744
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: by side with it, there's no finding common ground. The

745
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: gender ideologue wants to destroy your culture and your children.

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00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: You will either rise up against it or lose everything

747
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: to it. We're so fucked, it's so Nazzi, Like, yeah, quote,

748
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: total defeat is the only option. The gender ideologue wants

749
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: to destroy your culture and your children. Like that is

750
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: less than the stones throw away from We must have

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Speaker 1: secure the existence of our people in the future for

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00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: white children. It's right there. It's like, it's so it's

753
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: so clear. I think there's like a tiny grain of

754
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: truth in it, which is that like they are very

755
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: very very close to like permanently losing the battle over

756
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 1: where the trans people could exist, and that's why they're

757
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: doing this right, because like the only like like like

758
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: so support for trans people getting healthcare is like sixty

759
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: is at like sixty percent, right, the only thing they

760
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: have left is just straight up genocide because if they

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00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: don't fucking kill us all now, right, and they don't

762
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: right now act to make it impossible for future trans

763
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Speaker 1: people to be trans, right, they are going to lose.

764
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Speaker 1: And I will talk about this towards the end of

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Speaker 1: the episode. This is kind of part of my thesis

766
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Speaker 1: on this, and this is something that Michael Knowles himself

767
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: actually admits. In one of Michael Knowles's first shows after Sepack,

768
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Speaker 1: he suggests that eradicating transgenderism would be a simple matter

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Speaker 1: of returning to the state of Affairs in twenty fifteen

770
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Speaker 1: to eradicate transgenderism from public life. And it's a good question.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad people are talking about that. That was the

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Speaker 1: point of my speech. What would it mean to eradicate

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Speaker 1: the preposterous ideology of transgenderism from public life at every level?

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Speaker 1: Put simply, eradicating transgenderism from public life would mean behaving

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Speaker 1: as American society did before, say twenty fifteen. Before round

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, we did not have any acceptance of transgenderism

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Speaker 1: in public life. Also, in just like a grim moment

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Speaker 1: of sourality, in the middle of that clip, Knowles does

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Speaker 1: an adder read for a company called Rabbit Air, which

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00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: is an air purifier company who has an office in Pasadena, California.

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00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: She's fucking oh ba. Knowles goes on to blame Obama

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00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: for leading this wave of trans acceptance in public life. Now,

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00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: this whole twenty fifteen thing is very funny to me

784
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: because in a lot of ways, it was actually kind

785
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: of easier to be trans in twenty fifteen that it

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00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: is right now. But I think that this is mostly

787
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: that like for conservatives, it's mostly that young trans people

788
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: are simply more visible now, mostly due to things like TikTok.

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00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: Like there's just there's a more visible presence of trans

790
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: joy and trans people living, and that is angering conservatives.

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00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: So they think it's just like some new recent thing.

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00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: And because Michael Knowles did an ad break for Rabbit Air,

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Speaker 1: who again has an office and Pacady, Ina, California, I too,

794
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: am going to do an ad break for our fine sponsors.

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Speaker 1: All right, and we're back. We are we are almost done.

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Speaker 1: I only have like one or two more clips to

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00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: show I like the ad for Rabbit Air that just

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Speaker 1: played Chuck Off. So in Michael knowles case, I think

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00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: he isn't even primarily against just like trans equality, he

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00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: is against modernity. Now, when I say modernity, I'm not

801
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,720
Speaker 1: referring to like industrial civilization. It's many consequences for humans

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00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: and the planet at large. Right wing anti modernism is

803
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 1: very different than like anarchist ANTISTI of ideas. This idea

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00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: of modernism isn't really tied to industrial developments. It's more

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00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: linked to a psycho spiritual antagonism against modern social progress.

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00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: It's more akin to the esoteric super fascist Julius Vola's

807
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: idea of like revolt against the modern world and how

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00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: liberalism is like a plague against moral society and causing

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Speaker 1: maths degeneracy. Michael knowles own Twitter bio reads quote, I

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00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: am completely opposed to the error of the modernists. Again,

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00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: when these people tell tell you who they are, you

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00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: have to believe them. Um. Just this week, during a

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Speaker 1: speech at the University of Buffalo, Knowles laid out a

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Speaker 1: plan to attack quote the illogic of so called gay marriage,

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Speaker 1: the rights to fornication, and the feminists who loosened divorce laws. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's worth pointing out here, right.

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00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: I think I think the actual reason why twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: is the year that he picked out of his head

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00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: is at twenty fifteen is the year that game that

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Speaker 1: game marriage was legalized by the Supreme Court. Sure like

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Speaker 1: that that like ninety nine percent chats that he means

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Speaker 1: like twenty fifteen before gay marriage is the thing that

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00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: he wants to go back to. But here's here's here's

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00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: a clip of him talking about how conservatives have continued

825
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: to lose the battleground at a whole bunch of topics

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Speaker 1: and how he's going to try to win them back. Now,

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Speaker 1: even many conservatives accept so called gay marriage, and they

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00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: have to. They have to accept gay marriage if they

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Speaker 1: accept the illogic of the Sexual Revolution, which held that

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Speaker 1: all sexual relations are fine and dandy so long as

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Speaker 1: they're consensual. After the Sexual Revolution, the only test for

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Speaker 1: sexual ethics became if it feels good, do it. For

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Speaker 1: most of American history to nobody believes that too. For

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Speaker 1: most of American history, there were all sorts of laws

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Speaker 1: against certain sexual behaviors. There were famously laws against sodomy,

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00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: but there were lots of other laws as well, laws

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Speaker 1: against fornication, laws against adultery, laws against plenty of other

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Speaker 1: destructive sexual behaviors. Those laws around the books as recently

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Speaker 1: as two thousand and three, when liberals on the Supreme

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00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: Court discovered in the Constitution some sort of right to

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00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: all of those things. He wants all these things to

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Speaker 1: become illegal. Again, that that is his political project. And

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00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: to quote airy drenand quote none of this is a

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00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: theoretical exercise. After banning drag or gender I firm and

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Speaker 1: care for minors, the Tennessee House yesterday passed a bill

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Speaker 1: that would allow local officials to refuse same sex, interfaith,

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00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: or interracial marriages unquote. Now, last year we titled some

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Speaker 1: of our episodes that cover this wave of anti trans

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Speaker 1: attacks quote like the War on Transpeople unquote, and even

850
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Speaker 1: like considering the origin of this podcast, I am often

851
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Speaker 1: hesitant to entertain fantasies of actual civil conflict in the

852
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Speaker 1: United States, But in this case, like they are the

853
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Speaker 1: ones who are killing us and trying to make our

854
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Speaker 1: very existence illegal, it is them who has initiated this

855
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Speaker 1: type of militant language. The last clip I have here

856
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: is of Matt Walsh talking about just that we aren't

857
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Speaker 1: even remotely done. Okay, this is honestly only the beginning.

858
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Speaker 1: We've got a lot more in store for you. I

859
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Speaker 1: promised you a year ago that we were going to

860
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Speaker 1: war here, and I kept that promise. I'll keep this

861
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: one too. There's much more to be done, that needs

862
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: to be done, and we aim to do it. So

863
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Speaker 1: the battle continues. Whether you like it or not. The

864
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: battle continues. So a few days ago, the Governor of

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Speaker 1: Mississippi brought Matt Walsh to speak during an official press

866
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Speaker 1: conference about the signing of House Bill one one two

867
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Speaker 1: five banning gender affirming healthcare for minors. The presence of

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Speaker 1: Matt Walsh at a State of Mississippi official press conference

869
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Speaker 1: is a clear example of fascism being inserted into the

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Speaker 1: governmental process. And speaking of bills, I'm going to hand

871
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Speaker 1: this over to Mia to now talk about some of

872
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: the legislative stuff. Yay, yeah, wow, So this is gonna

873
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Speaker 1: be a long one, I'm sorry, folks. Yeah. Unfortunately, the

874
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Speaker 1: list of ways in which they are trying to kill

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Speaker 1: us as long. So, yeah, this is this is the

876
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Speaker 1: inevitable result of that. In one of the very early clips, right,

877
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Speaker 1: I think, how I can't remember which one it was,

878
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Speaker 1: one of the maybe it was Kennis Owen has talked

879
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: about like our publicist at Media Matters, right, Yeah, And

880
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I think there is in a

881
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: lot of cases. I think there's a lot of merit

882
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: and not like covering this ship when it's specifically people

883
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 1: like like very specific, Like you know Alex Jones does this, right, Well,

884
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: he'll say something like specifically incredibly inflammatory is a way

885
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: to start to get media attention to him. Yeah, But

886
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: in this case, we can't fucking do that because all

887
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: of the policy proposals that these people want are getting

888
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: actually fucking implemented. So here here's from the Human Rights

889
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: Campaign about how bad things have gotten. Less than two

890
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: months into twenty twenty three, Human Rights Campaign is already

891
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: tracking three hundred and forty anti LGBTQ bills that have

892
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Speaker 1: been introduced in state houses across the country. I think

893
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Speaker 1: four hundred. Oh yeah, it's this, Yeah, I was gonna

894
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Speaker 1: get this. So those numbers are from early Those numbers

895
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Speaker 1: are from early February, right or mid February. Now, yeah,

896
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Speaker 1: it's something like over four hundred. It's really hard to

897
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Speaker 1: get actual totals because there are so fucking many of them.

898
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Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty of those would specifically restrict the

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Speaker 1: rights of transgender people, the highest number of bills targeting

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Speaker 1: transgender people in a single year to date. They also note,

901
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Speaker 1: as everyone else does, every single successive year breaks the

902
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Speaker 1: record for the most number of bills targeting trans people. Yeah,

903
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: those numbers are already out of date, and okay, so

904
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Speaker 1: on the one hands, right there, there are there are

905
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Speaker 1: real problems with projects that just track the raw number

906
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Speaker 1: of bills, and you know, okay, on the one hands,

907
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: the world like the raw numbers are I think a

908
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: good way of actually getting people to sort of understand

909
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: like the level of threat that is happening, like just

910
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: sort of just sort of the raw magnitude of the threats.

911
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: On the other hand, okay, it's kind of misleading in

912
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Speaker 1: the sense that almost all these bills are going to

913
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Speaker 1: fail because most of these most most and this is

914
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: the incredible important thing here, most but not all, most

915
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: of these bills are made by just random state lawmakers

916
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Speaker 1: and no political backing. And this allows organizations, you know,

917
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: sort of like like a lot of the nonprofit groups

918
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: who work in these sort of legislative spaces to like

919
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: claim credit for defeating like ninety percent of the bills,

920
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Speaker 1: and it's like, well, no, like most of those, like

921
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: almost none of them we're ever going to pass in

922
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Speaker 1: the first place. And the second thing that it does

923
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: is it puts this sort of cloud out, which makes

924
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 1: it really really difficult, you know, if you're just being

925
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: if you're if you're trying to follow right, the sort

926
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: of legislative process here, it gets very very hard because

927
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: it's it's very difficult to sort out which bills have

928
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Speaker 1: any chance of passing in which ones are just some

929
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: random dipshit like first term like I don't know someone

930
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: some like first term lawmaker from like a part of

931
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 1: Mississippi that is two lawmakers right, like. But so my, my,

932
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: my solution to this is we're going to run through

933
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Speaker 1: the bills had ever already been passed. Um, I guess

934
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Speaker 1: we should just started in Mississippi because we've sort of

935
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: already talked about Yeah, Governor Tate Reeves inviting that wallshy

936
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Speaker 1: have a speech at the bill signing ceremony. So in

937
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Speaker 1: Mississippi a law was passed called the reap Act, which

938
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Speaker 1: you know, that's. That's great. It's a that's that tells

939
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 1: you exactly what they fucking I mean by this. Uh,

940
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Speaker 1: this is a bill that bans and this this is

941
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: a very very common pattern for bills. Um. It bans

942
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Speaker 1: miners from getting hormones, from getting any kind of gender

943
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: affirming surgery, and blocks anyone from getting puberty blockers. Um.

944
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Speaker 1: We've said this before, We'll say it again. All of

945
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: this stuff is good. Kids should be able to get

946
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: these things. Kids should be able to g these things easier.

947
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: They they just unfathomably improve the lives of the child

948
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Speaker 1: you get them. All of the data supports this notion.

949
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: This has been normalized for literally decades. Yeah, and I

950
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: mean puberty blockers in particular is one of the things

951
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: that's become the focus of like, oh, it's not safe.

952
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: It's like puberty blockers were the compromise position, right, And

953
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Speaker 1: this is something that I think has been lost in

954
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Speaker 1: a lot of debate about this, because you know, we've

955
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Speaker 1: gotten to the point where everything is being banned, but

956
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: puberty blockers. You know, we're a compromise position because you

957
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: could give people puberty blockers without like actually giving trans

958
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Speaker 1: kids to hormones. That they need, and even that, you know,

959
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: we're at a point where stays there's just full on

960
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: banning kids from getting them. This sucks, it's awful. It

961
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: is killing trans kids. Um. Mississippi also has a ban

962
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: one of the other things about this specific one and

963
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: not all the states are doing it do this, but

964
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: this specific bill also bans state money from going to

965
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 1: any institution that practices like does like gender form for miners.

966
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: They also have an anti sports law, so you can,

967
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, you can see the sort of like how

968
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: how the dominoes went down in terms of like, sorry,

969
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: you can see how the dominoes fell down in terms

970
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: of where it started and where it was going right

971
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: for at first you get your anti bathroom log. Then

972
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: you you get your sort of like keep trans people

973
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: out of sports, and then and then you get healthcare laws. Yea, yeah, yeah,

974
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Speaker 1: So I Will also has a band that's you know,

975
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: but basically identical identical band on hormone gender firming surgery,

976
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: and puberty blockers. They also passed a bill that bands

977
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: trans kids from using bathrooms and locker rooms according to

978
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: their gender and elementary, middle and high schools. And I

979
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about this, because this

980
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: is going to lead to kids getting fucking raped, because

981
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: it turns out if you force a trans girl into

982
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: a men's locker room, things are going to go real

983
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: fucking bad for them. They don't give a shit about this, right,

984
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: They simply do not care. Um, but that's you know

985
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: that that that's that that that's the actual substantive results. Um.

986
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: I will also pass. I've seen it variously refers to

987
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: as like I don't say trans or like I don't

988
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: say LGBTQ plus bill. This is a bill that prohibits

989
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: teachers who teach either from kindergarteners through sixth grade from

990
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: teaching about trans niss like at all. You can't teach

991
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: about gender. You can't teach about like sex. You can't

992
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: teach about you know, you can't teach about the fact

993
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: that you can, in fact change your gender and it's

994
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: good and cool. Um. The Human Rights Campaign says quote.

995
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: This bill would also prohibit schools from providing gender reforming

996
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: accommodations for transgender students without parental consents, and would require

997
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: school staff to out transgender students. UM. So I read

998
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: this bill and it's not clear to me how it

999
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: requires that but that's what the lawyers are saying, and

1000
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer, so it may or may not

1001
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: require that. This is another thing, very specifically, This isn't

1002
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: everything that that that that's been happening in the sort

1003
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: of news where waves of these laws are laws that

1004
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: specifically require school counselors, teachers, and school staff to out

1005
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: their kids, like to out kids to their parents, which

1006
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: is unbelievably dangerous. In the last few years alone, there

1007
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: have been a bunch of trans people who are just

1008
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: killed by their parents. And you know, forcibly adding people

1009
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: is like you you're you're exposing them to the risk

1010
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: of abuse, You're exposing them to the risk of unsafe

1011
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: housing environments. No, it's just a little soft whack by

1012
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: your grandma, I remember, just a little a little tap

1013
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: on the head. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna fucking beat

1014
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: you to death. So these bills in Iowa have been

1015
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: passed by the House in the Senate and they're just

1016
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: like they're just like sitting on a desk waiting for

1017
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: the government to sign them, and the governor's going to

1018
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that situation in Iowa. In Arkansas, you

1019
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: have the hormone pubuty blocker, gender firming surgery ban. The

1020
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Speaker 1: Arkansas one is on hold because you know, and this

1021
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: is a this is true for a couple of these,

1022
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: is that people have done legal challenges on it, and yeah,

1023
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: our Arkansas particulars had a huge legal fight. We still

1024
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: don't know how that's I mean, the legal fights are

1025
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 1: going on for like a year. We still haven't gotten

1026
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: ruling on it yet. They also have a ban on

1027
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: transcids competing in sports. Alabama made it a Class C

1028
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: felony punishable by oh to a decade in prison. To

1029
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: give trensch Endry kids hormones, puberty blockers, gender affirming surgery.

1030
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Speaker 1: This was also interesting because it's the only bill so

1031
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: most of these ones when they do when they say minors, right,

1032
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: it's until you're eighteen. You can't get it for whatever reason. Alabama,

1033
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: it also bans eighteen year olds from getting any of

1034
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: these things. You just have to be nineteen. Yeah, part

1035
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: part of the bill, you know about hormone blockers, So okay,

1036
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: So specifically, the part of the parts of this bill

1037
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: that are about hormones and hormone blockers are on hold

1038
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: pending sort of resolution to legal challenges. But the judge

1039
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: was like, fuck it, you can do with the surgery band,

1040
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: So that sucks. Alabama also has bills that you know,

1041
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: have the whole trans kids in school can't use the

1042
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: right bathroom and you know, teachers, counselors and other school

1043
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: officials have to out them. They also have another dose

1044
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,959
Speaker 1: trans bill that does a very similar thing about bands

1045
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: teachers from talking about transits until fifth grade. I think

1046
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: a lot of these bills are written by like lobbying

1047
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: groups who just be and paced the same thing. And

1048
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: so I see a whole bunch of different states. I

1049
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: will say there are weird differences in them, like so

1050
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: you'll see like different completely scattered shot like definitions of

1051
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: what hormones are, or like like some somebody's bills trying

1052
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: to find what a woman is. And it's very funny

1053
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: because they have to like do all this weird stuff

1054
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: about like like clusters of like chromosomes, but also there's

1055
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: like chromosomal diseases, Like you can't do this, like a

1056
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: fuck off. It's it's so funny. We should also mention that,

1057
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: like there will be more reporting on this later, this bill.

1058
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: This episodes are ready too long, but there have been

1059
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,479
Speaker 1: a bunch of emails released from a bunch of anti

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Speaker 1: trans sort of organizer and fake scientists and stuff about

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Speaker 1: how they've been coordinating all of this, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of the experts that they use for testimony for all

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Speaker 1: off they show up to these capitals are like, are

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Speaker 1: exactly the same people, And the big guy they have

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Speaker 1: saying that puberty blockers is unsafe like has never worked

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Speaker 1: with a transperson in their life and has no fucking

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Speaker 1: idea what they're talking about. So you know, this is

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Speaker 1: this is this is this is fun. Utah also bands

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Speaker 1: also passed a band banning gender affirming surgeries, puberty blockers,

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Speaker 1: and hormones. They also have a band I also have

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Speaker 1: a bill forcing students and counselors to out their students

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Speaker 1: to their families. Last year, Utah Governor Spencer Cox was

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Speaker 1: praised by the media for a symbolic veto of a

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Speaker 1: bill that made it illegal for trans students to compete

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Speaker 1: in sports. Cox signed this fucking bill. Signed, signed, the

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Speaker 1: one signed, the one that bands of gender affirming surgeries,

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Speaker 1: pubty blockers, and hormones. Yeah, I think we're talked about

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Speaker 1: this last year. Yeah, I want to we had we

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Speaker 1: talked about some Utah thing last Yeah, well we talked. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the thing we talked about him vetoing that bill. Um,

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Speaker 1: I want to read his thing for why why he packed?

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Speaker 1: Why so he vetoed the bill that was less bad

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Speaker 1: and signed the one that's worse. And I'm going to

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Speaker 1: read what he said about this quote. While we understand

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Speaker 1: our words will be of little comfort to those who

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Speaker 1: disagree with us, we sincerely hope that we can treat

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Speaker 1: our transgender families with more love and respect as we

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Speaker 1: work to better understand the science and consequences behind these procedures.

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Speaker 1: Fuck off, Fuck all the way off. He's trying to

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Speaker 1: avoid the Nuremberg trials. Look as a neutrals. As a

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Speaker 1: neutral objective journalist, I'm obligated to inform me that Spencer

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Speaker 1: Cox was a full time missionary from the Mormon Church,

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Speaker 1: which is currently embroiled in a pedophilias gandal after is

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Speaker 1: revealed to have systematically protected church members and members of

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Speaker 1: the clergy who sexually abused children from church sanctions and

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Speaker 1: legal repercussions. Under Utah law, clergy have the right of

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Speaker 1: penitent privilege, which means they are not required to report

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Speaker 1: child abuse to the authorities as long as the information

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Speaker 1: is revealedgere confession. Both the Mormon and Catholic churches, along

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Speaker 1: with Jehovah's witnesses, have lobbied against all efforts have changed

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Speaker 1: this law. Earlier this month, survivors at the Mormon Church

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Speaker 1: rallied in support of a bill that would have endependent privilege.

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Speaker 1: Governor Cox publicly announced his support for the bill being

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Speaker 1: considered and in legislature, but did nothing to pressure legislators

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Speaker 1: to vote for and as of time of recording, the

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Speaker 1: bill is dead, leaving the church free to protect yet

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Speaker 1: another round of pedophiles. Also, his name is Cox. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so South Dakota also did. I could do this for

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Speaker 1: every fucking governor on this list, and I decided I

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Speaker 1: was going to do it once and not do it

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01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 1: for all the rest of them, but fuck him. South

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Speaker 1: Dakota has a sports bill. They also have a ban

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Speaker 1: on puberty blockers, hormones, degenerate framing surgery. Arizona has a

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Speaker 1: NATI bathroom bill. Tennessee has a sports ban. It has

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Speaker 1: the basically identical ban on puberty blockers, hormones, and gender

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Speaker 1: affirming surgery, and it also has this. It also has

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Speaker 1: what's been kind of a new innovation. I guess which

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Speaker 1: is the anti they have an anti drag law. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is the one that's gotten the most amount attraction,

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Speaker 1: and it sparked some debate over how much of it

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Speaker 1: can actually be applied against just trans people living their

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Speaker 1: lives because it is tied to the state's pre existing

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Speaker 1: obscenity laws. So there's been some debate about this. We will,

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Speaker 1: we will. We will learn more about this as it

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Speaker 1: starts being enforced by law enforcement and the court system. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. It's not good. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about it a little bit more

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Speaker 1: so the specific bill, it makes it illegal for anyone

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Speaker 1: to be underage and a drag show. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it basically applies like the rules around the sex offender

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Speaker 1: list for where you can have drag shows. So Governor

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Speaker 1: William Brian Lee, who signed this bill, did drag in

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Speaker 1: high school, which I'm saying. No, I'm saying here not

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Speaker 1: to out the hypocrisy, like Governor Lee doesn't see anything

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Speaker 1: any hypocrisy here, but to get across the fact the

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Speaker 1: Republicans who want to do this stuff will still be

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Speaker 1: able to This bill will targeted a very very specific

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Speaker 1: group of people. As Jules gil Peterson points out in

1139
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: your piece to left hand of the law, which people

1140
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: should go read, this is an attack on a very specific,

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Speaker 1: precarious class of workers, many of whom are trans, some

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Speaker 1: of whom aren't, who do drag performances. This is this

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01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: is it's it's it's a very specific attempt to sort

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Speaker 1: of like neutralize, Okay, it's targeting this very specific middle

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Speaker 1: ground between sort of like being in the formal economy

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Speaker 1: and doing sex work. There are an enormous amount of

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Speaker 1: trans people who do sex work. Drag shows provide a

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Speaker 1: way to sort of like not exactly enter the middle class,

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Speaker 1: but it provides a legal way for trans people to

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Speaker 1: like have a job that's not fucking that. And those

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Speaker 1: and those workers are specifically the people being targeted by this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. The other thing that's unclear is, for example,

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Speaker 1: like if a podcast does a live show where there's

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01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: trans people, like, what will happen? We don't know. But

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Speaker 1: the other thing I want to say about this, right

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01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: is everyone's talking about this fucking drag bill. I have

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01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 1: seen like basically zero discussion of the of the fact

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Speaker 1: that they also past the same fucking band on puberty blockers,

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01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: hormones and gender affirming surgery, which is way way more

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01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: destructive and damaging. It's like but directly attacking. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I think I want to push back about the like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like what you're talking about about, like what will happen

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Speaker 1: if you do a live show? Like what will happen?

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Speaker 1: Because to trans people who live in these states, the

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Speaker 1: state I live in as a red state, well it's

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Speaker 1: not supposed to be, but as a red state, and

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01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, is considering a drag bill and things like that.

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Speaker 1: And I recognize that they're like aimed, they're targeted specifically

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Speaker 1: at drag performances, but there's a fairly easy interpretation of

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Speaker 1: a lot of these things that literally says I can

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Speaker 1: go to the grocery store. And that is how like

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Speaker 1: a lot of transpeople in Tennessee are viewing this right now.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't think it's it's a disproportionate thing

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Speaker 1: that the drag bill is something that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are focusing on. I mean, we all care also

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Speaker 1: about the hormone issues or whatever, but the Tennessee passing

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Speaker 1: the drag law that other states are considering is a

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Speaker 1: new bad thing that could criminalize our very public existence. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is part of the kind of discussion around this

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01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: laws ties to the pre existing obscenity laws, and that

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01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: will heavily depend on the discretion that law enforcement chooses

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01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: to employ this law, and if it gets taken up

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01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: to the court system, how the court's going to interpret

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Speaker 1: this law. So it is like the vagueness is part

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Speaker 1: of the point because that causes a lot of fear

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01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: because you really just don't know what it all entails.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that's weird because you don't know if you

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01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: going to the store is going to be a felony

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: or not, And how are you supposed to live like that? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it I don't know. The sort of pervasive atmosphere

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01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: of fear is definitely like part of the point of this, right,

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01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: Like part of the way the sort of extermination campaign

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01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: works is by forcing everyone to sort of live in

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Speaker 1: fear of what they can and can't do, and also

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: live in fear specifically of the police increasing the amount

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01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: of violence that they're deploying. Yeah, I mean, and all

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Speaker 1: the stuff like we talked about, they're specifically targeting people's

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Speaker 1: ability to exist in a public life, which is whenever

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Speaker 1: you want to do a genocide, that's one of the

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Speaker 1: things you do is you make people unable to exist

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01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: in public life. This is literally what the Nazis did, right,

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01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 1: Like you section them off into their own little communities

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Speaker 1: where they cannot actually leave and enter into the outside world. Yep. So,

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Speaker 1: so far as of writing this, there are seven states

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Speaker 1: with bands on gender, firm and care for Youth. I

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01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: was to become number eight whenever the governor gets around

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Speaker 1: as signing the bill. There are nineteen states that ban

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Speaker 1: trans athletes from competing. There are a number of states.

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Speaker 1: Oh so other soft forgot much. So there's like literally

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Speaker 1: while I was like, while I was like waiting to

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Speaker 1: record this episode, there were a few things that happened

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Speaker 1: in like the legislature. So in Florida, there was a

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Speaker 1: bill that got just got out of committee that would

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Speaker 1: ban LGBTQ books like in all libraries, not just sort

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Speaker 1: of school libraries. So I don't know that that actually

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Speaker 1: has a real chance of passing because it's Florida. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of movement right now. The situation is very

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Speaker 1: very sort of fluid and bad. Yes, yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: say it it is. Um. I think one closing note,

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Speaker 1: I will save my kind of my ending thesis to

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Speaker 1: start the next episode, just because we're going on so

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Speaker 1: long here. But the last thing I will say is

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01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 1: I be wary of social media accounts that to depend

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,799
Speaker 1: on ramping up and spreading panic to grow their follower accounts.

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Speaker 1: Typically news news aggregation accounts are not the best source

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01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: of information because their existence is entirely dependent on causing PANICUM.

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Speaker 1: So like look into the things like beyond just a tweet,

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01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: like look into stuff before before you spread it. Um.

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Speaker 1: Just as like a general rule of thumb. I'm not

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Speaker 1: calling anybody out here in any way, I'm just saying

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01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: it is. It is a good practice to get into,

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Speaker 1: especially when we're looking into stuff that is about our

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01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: very existence being criminalized, and that can be very depressing. Um.

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,600
Speaker 1: And it can suck to be constantly bombarded with. So

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01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 1: it's good to stay connected to stuff that's going on

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01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: in your own state. It's good to stay connected to

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01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: bills that have a decent trends of passing. But but

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01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: be wary of of of of undo panic spreading just

1239
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: constantly NonStop, because a big part of being trends needs

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01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 1: to also be like finding joy in living. Yeah, I think.

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01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 1: I think. The very last thing I want to say

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01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: to lead into this next episode is We're not fucking

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Speaker 1: done yet. We are still here. We're going to continue

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01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: to be here. We are going to kick these people's

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01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: fucking shit in and we are going to fight them

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: for every fucking engine they are going to lose. And

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01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: next episode is going to be us talking about how

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Speaker 1: you can start doing that. It could Happen Here as

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Speaker 1: a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from

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