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Speaker 1: I'm not comparing Kyler to Anthony Richison. Kyler is a

427
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Speaker 1: legitimate NFL player and has had some awesome moments, and

428
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Speaker 1: if you watch them on the right week Kyler can

429
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 1: go toe to toe with any quarterback in the NFL

430
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Speaker 1: on a specific weekend. He can make plays with his legs,

431
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Speaker 1: with his arms, throw bombs. His highlight package throughout his

432
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 1: career is awesome. He's a special talent. He's also five

433
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Speaker 1: nine and can't see. And a lot of people like

434
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: an NFL hipster pick is like, oh, I like the

435
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: Cardinals to win the division and make the playoffs. You

436
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: do have you googled the history of the franchise how

437
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: often they make the playoffs? Have you googled the history

438
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray as the starting quarterback? Which basically every

439
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 1: year except one, the team has finished no higher than third,

440
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: the majority last place. So this is a team that

441
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: doesn't win very often. And listen, I like their roster

442
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: and a lot like the Colts. If you told me,

443
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,360
Speaker 1: like Josh Allen was the quarterback of the Cardinals, I'd

444
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 1: be like, I think can make the NFC Championship. But

445
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: he had a throw in the game against the Chiefs

446
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: that was just like what is going on? And that's

447
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 1: the problem with Kyler. He can make like you could

448
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 1: just turn on a game like Week four three trade drives,

449
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: like God, the Colonels look really good, the two field

450
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: goals and a touchdown and there they're just rolling. And

451
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, he can have like the

452
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Speaker 1: worst play of the day. And that's the issue with him.

453
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: And I think it all stems back to no one's

454
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: ever questioned his arm strength, no one's ever questioned his athleticism.

455
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: Like those things are high end just as a physical

456
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: you know, being relative or separate from his height. Pretty

457
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: special talent. But when you're five nine, you can't see anything.

458
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: And I think you know sometimes you say like a

459
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: guy can't see the field. To me, there's like Anthey, Richison,

460
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: I think he's looking. He has no clue what he's

461
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Speaker 1: looking at. I think at this point Kyler's got a

462
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: pretty good idea he is legitimately can't see and then

463
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: sometimes when he can he's on the move. I just

464
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,919
Speaker 1: think he makes some poor decisions. So this pick of

465
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people, they're sexy, like I could see

466
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: the Cardinals making I cannot, like I one cannot, And

467
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: I think there's a reason on a yearly basis, even

468
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: when they've had some talent, like they're just an inconsistent operation.

469
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 1: And it just gets back to him now, unlike Anthey

470
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Speaker 1: Richison or Daniel Jones, Like I couldn't even imagine having

471
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: to stomach as a fan watching guys like that. That

472
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 1: would suck like that, that would be miserable, that would

473
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Speaker 1: be torture. Might as well waterboard me. It's like, this

474
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Speaker 1: is what I gotta watch Kyler, Like I do understand

475
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: like getting excited for him as a fan. Hell, I

476
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 1: get excited sometimes to watch him. I remember a couple

477
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 1: of years ago when he came back from the ACL

478
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Speaker 1: he had a game against the Eagles when they were

479
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Speaker 1: kind of spiraling. It was like one of the most

480
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Speaker 1: fun halves over the last couple of years. He's a

481
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Speaker 1: very fun player. I'm just not sure he's a winning

482
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Speaker 1: player when it comes to winning the division. So you

483
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Speaker 1: can big Cardinals all you want, your boy.

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Speaker 3: I'm out, okay, very very very fired up for an

485
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Speaker 3: internet tycoon.

486
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Speaker 1: I spent the weekend with Coward and we were talking

487
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: about Josh paid a lot. So Josh Pate's football show,

488
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: which he got a new studio in Nashville and it

489
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 1: looks sweet, went went live for the first time with

490
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Speaker 1: his He's got a lot going on. I mean he's

491
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: been he's been moving and shaking. Uh. This guy knows

492
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: college football as well as anyone I know, Josh, What

493
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: is happening in my man? How you doing? I've just

494
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: been doing this with my hands.

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Speaker 4: Got about the past, Oh, I don't know, six months,

496
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Speaker 4: so it's finally almost here. How about the fake looking

497
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 4: brick in that new studio. That's the benefit of getting married,

498
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 4: because you got someone who knows something about aesthetics and design.

499
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Speaker 4: I just would have thrown up some paneling and said

500
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Speaker 4: let's go, but she had her touch on that. So

501
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Speaker 4: I can't take any credit for how beautiful that new

502
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Speaker 4: studio is.

503
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Speaker 1: I believed it. I thought it was. It's not actual bricks.

504
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Speaker 1: He fooled me.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's the kind of you couldn't you

506
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 4: could still go graffiti on it, like if we wanted

507
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 4: to put the finishing touches on it, we could go

508
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Speaker 4: like a box car, we could go graffiti.

509
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Speaker 1: What do you write in the graffiti?

510
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Speaker 4: So it's a work in progress, but yeah, as for now,

511
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Speaker 4: we're going with the hybrid brick.

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Speaker 1: We'll call it HB hybrid brick. You and I both

513
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Speaker 1: got married in twenty twenty five. Actually, and my wife,

514
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Speaker 1: you know, she's a Baerry girl originally is where she

515
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Speaker 1: grew up. She loves the NFL, but I've really got

516
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Speaker 1: her into college football. You, on the other hand, married

517
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Speaker 1: a college football girl who literally was working for Nick

518
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Speaker 1: Saban correctly correct.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very weird sort of dynamic because you

520
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 4: get asked a lot, Hey, how did you guys meet? Well,

521
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 4: my story with Savannah is well, I knew of her

522
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 4: for a long time. She's sort of running recruiting and

523
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Speaker 4: marketing for Nick Saban. Before that, she was with Freeze

524
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Speaker 4: at Old Miss. Before that, she was with Less at LSU.

525
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Speaker 4: So I knew of Savannah French for a long time,

526
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Speaker 4: and then she kind of knew of me because I'd

527
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Speaker 4: be around on Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: I'd be around the programs a lot.

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Speaker 4: And then you finally hang out one time and you realize, well,

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00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 4: this feels a little bit different. Certainly, we got a

531
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Speaker 4: lot to talk about, we got a lot in common,

532
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Speaker 4: but there feels like there's a little bit beneath the

533
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Speaker 4: surface there. And so yeah, man, like I'm doing a

534
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Speaker 4: college football show and I'm probably the only one in

535
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Speaker 4: my space who, if his significant other were to come

536
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: on the show, would have way better stories than I do,

537
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 4: stories from takes and days and days.

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Speaker 1: Well, congratulations, man, I you Last week I was texted

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Speaker 1: with Jim Naggy, actually the GM of the Oklahoma Sooners,

540
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Speaker 1: and he was going to come on the show and

541
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Speaker 1: he might come on later this week, and he was like,

542
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Speaker 1: I actually got to go to this GM symposium and

543
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Speaker 1: then I saw a bunch of clips as your interview

544
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Speaker 1: in Herb Street. You're hosting different things, And we started

545
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: texting about just the growing industry. And Jim Naggy is

546
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: a good example, right, former NFL guy, he now runs

547
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: a crew of like they got a pretty accomplished staff.

548
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Speaker 1: You know we're under him. I mean you look a

549
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: lot of people. The guy that got me started at

550
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Speaker 1: Fresno State has been there since Bob Stoops and Lincoln Riley,

551
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Speaker 1: and they got guys that have done a lot so

552
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: the GM job in college football. I mean Ed Manowitz,

553
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Speaker 1: who I think headed up this GM symposium was one

554
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Speaker 1: of the original guys fifteen years ago for Nick Saban,

555
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: but it wasn't really called the GM. So what it

556
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: is now is a completely different ball game. You and

557
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Speaker 1: I were talking about the power these guys are going

558
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Speaker 1: to have. You had a theory in the next couple

559
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Speaker 1: of years. I mean, they're gonna be twenty twenty five

560
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: guys making like offensive coordinator money. So are we in

561
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Speaker 1: like the first inning of this thing? Like where are

562
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Speaker 1: we in the GMS? Their role, you know, in the

563
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: NFL gets a little tricky because the coach still has

564
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Speaker 1: a lot of juice. Are these guys working independently? Do

565
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Speaker 1: they have more juice than the coach? How's this all

566
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Speaker 1: playing out in college football?

567
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Speaker 4: It's total case by case And I know there are

568
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Speaker 4: a lot of diehard college football fans watching this, but

569
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Speaker 4: let me tailor this answer more towards a secondary or

570
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 4: casual college football fan who sort of drives by the sport. Yes,

571
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: the general manager role, everyone's got one.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: It went from this this fringe sort of novel concept

574
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Speaker 4: five years ago to everyone's got one. That's about where

575
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 4: the similarities am. Because I could talk to Courtney Morgan

576
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: at Alabama and the roles and duties on his plate

577
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: are totally different than Naggy at Oklahoma, totally different than

578
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 4: Austin Thomas, totally different than Chad Boden. So you've got

579
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Speaker 4: general manager in name, and that's about where it ends

580
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 4: as far as me knowing what you do on a

581
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Speaker 4: day to day basis. Some of these guys are directly

582
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Speaker 4: managing CAP, some of them outsource that or delegate that entirely.

583
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Speaker 4: Some of them are heavily involved with their donor and

584
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: booster class, some of them outsource that entirely. Some of

585
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Speaker 4: them are actually constructing a roster. Some of them have

586
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Speaker 4: final say, or at least very influential say on depth

587
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Speaker 4: on personnel. Some of them would never touch personnel with

588
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: a ten foot poll, as Mema would say. So it's

589
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: very very much a role that everyone has. It's very

590
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 4: much a high value, high leverage role. But defining what

591
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 4: that role really accomplishes is such a case by case.

592
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Speaker 4: But the second thing you asked, this is where I

593
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 4: think we're very much evolving So in the NFL, it's

594
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: not crazy for you to know that the owner is

595
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: that's the star on top of the Christmas tree. But

596
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 4: it's not crazy for you to tell me a general

597
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 4: manager outlasts a head coach. A general managers there coach

598
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 4: gets fired, that's not crazy. In college football, we have

599
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 4: not gone through this yet. So in college football right now,

600
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Speaker 4: I can tell you there are at least two major

601
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Speaker 4: programs out there where internally. One of the concerns I've

602
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 4: gotten from head coaches is I'm in a situation where

603
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Speaker 4: I'm not so sure who I'm answering to. This is

604
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 4: over the past year, I'm not so sure who I'm

605
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 4: answering to. I'm not so sure what the authority tree

606
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Speaker 4: is in this organization. And there is a widely held

607
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 4: belief that there have been some hires at the general

608
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Speaker 4: manager position over the past few years that are built

609
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Speaker 4: to outlive the head coach, that are built to be

610
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Speaker 4: in lockstep with the athletic director, and the head coach

611
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 4: is a lot more a variable in that equation than

612
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Speaker 4: a permanent or a constant. And that's john relative to

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Speaker 4: the history of college football. That's like, within the last

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Speaker 4: thirty seconds that's happening.

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Speaker 1: Jah.

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Speaker 4: So we have not we have not even started to

617
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Speaker 4: recalibrate the way we think about this sport, the way

618
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 4: we watch this sport, to account for thinking that way.

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what else is going to happen

620
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 4: because of that, Because of head coach case by case

621
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 4: no longer be in the top of the ladder. Those earnings,

622
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: those salary dollars probably are seventy seventy five percent of

623
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Speaker 4: what they are now five ten years from now. And

624
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: that's a byproduct of number one, your org chart changing.

625
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: Number two, you've got to pay rev share to players,

626
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: so you're looking to take back money anywhere you can.

627
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: Maybe your head coach doesn't need to make eleven and

628
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: a half million a year. Maybe seven million's okay, So

629
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Speaker 4: we are not that far away. Then from forever, it

630
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: was like program act needs a head coach. Right in

631
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 4: college football, the AD kind of runs point and the

632
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: president or however their university set up with academia is

633
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: heavily involved the GM right point on the search. Then

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Speaker 4: within the next this calendar cycle or maybe within the

635
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: next two years, would you say there's a prominent GM

636
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: who is like with the AD, but really, he's it.

637
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: The AD puts it on him a little bit more.

638
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: The AD. I mean kind of their job is coaches

639
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 1: under them? Right? How is that where we're in kind

640
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: of this weird joint? Where is some of these gms

641
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: going to have more juice than the AD when it

642
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: comes to the football program.

643
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Speaker 4: Yes, and I believe it'll purposely be set up like that.

644
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: I mean, if I'm an athletic director, worth my salt. Yeah,

645
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 4: I got a background of football. I know football, but

646
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 4: I am looking to hire a general manager for that purpose.

647
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Jim Naggy. All right, I'm pulling for

648
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: Brenton Vinables.

649
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 4: I hope the dude wins ten games this year, but

650
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 4: if it were to go off the rails, if they

651
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 4: had a repeat of last year, let's just say the

652
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: Oklahoma job was open. I one hundred and fifty percent

653
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: believe Jim Naggy is running point on that coaching search.

654
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going anywhere. I think he's there

655
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: even if the head coach and his staff is out.

656
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 4: And also you're in an athletic director transition right there.

657
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: Joe C.

658
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 4: Stigley Owen's been at OU forever and he's about to

659
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 4: head out the door. I don't think it's just mere

660
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 4: coincidence that they made sure they hired it. They had

661
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: an ironclad general manager in place before they started that

662
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 4: ad transition period. I don't even know who's getting the

663
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: ad job at OU. So yeah, I think absolutely Maggie

664
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: would run point there. Now there's some other ads out

665
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 4: there who wouldn't say, over my dead.

666
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: Body, is that going to happen.

667
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: So, yet again, it's very much case by case right now,

668
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 4: it's very convoluted.

669
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Speaker 1: You know, ten years ago, I think the Belichick Lombardy

670
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: thing would have been viewed a lot crazier than it

671
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: is now because of the economic, financial, you know, transaction

672
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: element of college football in the transfer portal. Even though

673
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: it's a lot different than free agency, there are some similarities.

674
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: You know, all these coaches, you know all these coordinators,

675
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of these gms. What's the

676
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: buzz on that operation in that program? Because one from

677
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: a talent standpoint, like you know, Bill could overachieve with

678
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: guys because he had Tom in college. Like you play Clemson,

679
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: you play whoever is good, even I mean TCU, I'm

680
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: sure has a lot of talent week one, like, if

681
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: you don't have the talent in college football, you can

682
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: be a great. A lot of great coaches have not

683
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: won a lot of games in tough conferences and against

684
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 1: good teams because this is not the NFL, where there's

685
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 1: a lot of equality from guy to guy looking across,

686
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 1: you know, the white lines, at each other.

687
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: I think their fundamental struggle there is going to be

688
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 4: acquisition and retention. So the two core pillars of building

689
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: a college football team right now, and the reason I

690
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: mentioned those in comparison to what he did in the

691
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 4: NFL is cause you're right, like broad strokes purposes, there's

692
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: some similarity in college football today. In the NFL, it

693
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 4: is night and day different. The Sunday game versus the

694
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 4: Saturday game is night and day different. You asked what

695
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: the buzz is. I'm telling you most coaches in the

696
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 4: ACC think he's going to fail. Most coaches in the

697
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: ACC think he's going to fall flat on his face.

698
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 4: And it's not cause they don't respect him as a coach.

699
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: Quite the opposite. I've had zero personnel people, zero staffers

700
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 4: in the ACC trash build Belichick the NFL coach.

701
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 1: What they've said is it's.

702
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: Sort of an insult to read all these headlines and

703
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 4: hear about how this guy and his team are going

704
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 4: to come in and show college football something, because the

705
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 4: way they look at it, college football is about to

706
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 4: teach Bill Belichick and his staff many more lessons than

707
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: they're going to teach college football. So I want you

708
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: to think about the dynamic here. Number one, if you

709
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 4: could convince me that the expectation for Bill Belichick is

710
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 4: to just do what North Carolina has always done, I

711
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 4: would stop talking right now.

712
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: He can do that, he can win seven and a

713
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: half games. I've got no doubt about that.

714
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: I don't think, nor do I believe you think they

715
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 4: paid him ten million dollars a year to come in

716
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 4: and just do what North Carolina has always done. So

717
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 4: very clearly, the insinuation in the room, the unspoken, is

718
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 4: he's going to have us contending for a playoff spot

719
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: next couple of years. Okay, I don't believe that's true.

720
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 4: You've got to go acquire the talent. So if you're

721
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: going to compete for playoff spots above and beyond just

722
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 4: winning seven and a half, that means you're not beating

723
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 4: Louisville and Maryland for talent anymore. That means you've really

724
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 4: got to go head to head with Clemson in Florida

725
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: State and Miami. You've got to be more attractive a

726
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 4: destination than they are. All Right, that's the first thing

727
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: that's hard enough. The second thing that's hard is you

728
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 4: got to retain. So what you were able to build

729
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: a New England, and the culture and the root system

730
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 4: that was able to take in New England was because

731
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 4: there were no exit doors on the facility. Once you're

732
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 4: a New England patriot, you're a New England patriot. You're

733
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: not going anywhere. There's an exit door in every room

734
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 4: in college football. Figuratively, guys don't like the way they're

735
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 4: being treated. Guys don't like the tough love. I'm not

736
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: advocating for this. I actually hate that this is the dynamic.

737
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: But they can leave any time they want to. And

738
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 4: also there's that pesky twenty hour a week rule where

739
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: you're trying to install dude and you're trying to run

740
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 4: this kind of defense and that kind of offense, and

741
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: someone comes into your ear, says Bill.

742
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: We can't keep them any longer.

743
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 4: We've maxed out our hours that we can have these

744
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: guys in the facility this week.

745
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: What's only that is that followed.

746
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 4: Though it is followed, it is at places like North Carolina,

747
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: it's followed more than certain other places that you know,

748
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: following the rules sometimes can bite you from the ankles

749
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 4: a little bit. So I just I hear these people

750
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 4: who keep telling me, well, he'll succeed in the in

751
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 4: the college football game, because it's the right time, because

752
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 4: college is like the NFL now. I think college football

753
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 4: is about to deal a very harsh lesson And ironically,

754
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 4: if they do get it done, this year may be

755
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: their shot because they got the most workable schedule they'll

756
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 4: probably ever have as long as he's there, there's also.

757
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: A generational gap of listen coaches. One thing that keeps

758
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: you young, and you see it with Pete Carroll. You

759
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: see with Bill is you're around young people and even

760
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: when you get in your seventies, saving was the same way.

761
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: There's a youthful energy. But you told a story on

762
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: the show he posted on your social media about a

763
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: guy in a competition to win a power for starting

764
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: quarterback job and he just can't stay off his phone.

765
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: And I because he's quarterback. It's you know, it's a

766
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: sexy thing to say, but he cannot be alone. There's

767
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: got to be people all over the country in positions

768
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 1: that are eighteen nineteen freshmen that this phone and listen,

769
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: we're all guilty of it. Could just not put it down.

770
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: And you're not talking about like in the training room.

771
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: You're talking about in the meeting when they're coaching them

772
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: up right, So how's bill? I mean, that's that's something

773
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: all these guys are dealing with, right, Yeah, so that's

774
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: a problem.

775
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: But you know that would be the nineteen ninety four

776
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 4: equivalent of we can't keep our kid out of jail,

777
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: like we can't keep him out of real trouble. You'll

778
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 4: notice headlines about players getting arrested, is falling off a cliff,

779
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: you don't drink. They're very anecdotal exceptions, I know that,

780
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: But hardly any kids get in trouble anymore. I've had

781
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 4: a kid, you not. I had a defensive coordinator in

782
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 4: the Big Ten last year. Say, dude, just between us,

783
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: I'd love for our kids to get a little closer

784
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: to the edge, like I wish they would get in

785
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: a little more trouble. We've just got I mean, we

786
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: we've got like future librarians walking around the hallways. And

787
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 4: this is like a playoff caliber team. So what you'll

788
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 4: think is you'll think, oh, did everyone like did character

789
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 4: issues and flaws disappear? No, they just got rechanneled. Now

790
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: your character flaw is not uh oh, I got to

791
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 4: call at three o'clock this morning. Our kid got arrested

792
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 4: because he was out at the bars too late. Now

793
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: it's this kid's battling from my quarterback spot. He's off

794
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: in the corner. He's on his phone. I cannot keep

795
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: this from in front of his face. It's an addiction.

796
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 4: It's not just it's not just oh, kids and their phones.

797
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: I'm talking. This is the first wave of kids coming

798
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 4: through your program who have been like this since they

799
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 4: were five years old. No one's done with this before.

800
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: It's the first generation, is the first wave of that.

801
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: So phone addiction is a huge problem.

802
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 4: As dumb as it sounds to someone who's fifty two

803
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: years old just driving to work in Houston, it's a

804
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 4: huge problem. Belichick will hear that, and his instinct will

805
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: be the same as Kirby Smart's instinct.

806
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: He'll think, you know, be that as it may.

807
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 4: I think there are twenty five kids out there per

808
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 4: cycle that we can take that, but that trend, we're

809
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: already looking for the exceptions to the rule in recruiting.

810
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 4: We'll go find twenty five of them. And John Kirby

811
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 4: smart will because he gets his pick. That goes back

812
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 4: to what I'm telling you or what I'm asking you.

813
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 4: Do you think Bill Belichick, if the expectations are higher

814
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 4: there now, do you think he can go out recruit

815
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 4: the big dogs for the very limited supply of legitimate,

816
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: like high caliber players there are per cycle? Or can

817
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 4: you go mine the portal for former three stars who

818
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 4: were overlooked that are at New Mexico or Fresno right now?

819
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: And it hats off to him if he does. It

820
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 4: is an uphill battle to be able to do that.

821
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 4: Every single year.

822
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: John Gruden put out a YouTube which I somehow watched

823
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and a headline came out because he

824
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: said it and he was passionate about it. When he

825
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Kirby was basically he went to Georgia and then he

826
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: went to Jacksonville and hung out. So it's like thirty

827
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: minutes at each place, and the Georgia one. I mean,

828
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: he's addressing the team, and you're talking about how he

829
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: wants to coach again and he would love to coach

830
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: in the SEC. There was a clip that you if

831
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: you watch when he goes to Jacksonville. He's talking to

832
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: Tony Basselli, who if you google went to USC and

833
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: Basselli and he said, I need a job and Beselli

834
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: said talk to me late in you know, like in December,

835
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: aka USC. But that I haven't seen that headline anywhere.

836
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: But that was a subtle If I was Lincoln Riley,

837
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: like Tony, what the hell? Man? But this Cruden college thing,

838
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: because the NFL, it just might be like a Belichick thing.

839
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: He might not be able to get another job in

840
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: the NFL. But I wrote down some I mean a

841
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: couple of Florida's teams, right Florida State, Florida. I wrote

842
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: down Auburn. But then I thought, like with Gruden, I

843
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: know Auburn has money go against Alabama. You brought up

844
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: another program that I have a buddy in Arizona who

845
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: is an alumni of this school and says, John, you

846
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: don't realize how much money we have nowadays. And I

847
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that kind of makes no sense. In

848
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: that kind of is Arkansas Razorbacks, Baby Pig Suey because

849
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of the thing with the SEC. It's

850
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: like Auburn can hire Hugh Freeze when no one else.

851
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: There's a little renegade nature to some of these programs

852
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: all missed when they hired Lane, you know. And I

853
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: would put Arkansas in that vein where it's like all

854
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: the good would out weigh any couple negative headlines The

855
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: New York Times might write and listen John Gruden. The

856
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: Raiders were starting to make some progress. He knows what

857
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: he's doing, and he's got a lot of respect with

858
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: coaches like it's I think people would come work for him,

859
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: especially because Arkansas would be cutting these checks to the

860
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: coordinators and the position coaches. So what what's your thought

861
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: on John Gruden? Like I would say, it's if you

862
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: tell me John Gruden's a head coach in twenty twenty six,

863
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: I'd say it's like seventy five percent chance. In college.

864
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: The mahien is it is far more likely than not.

865
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, the vibe I'm getting far more likely than not

866
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 4: he's a head coach somewhere, and if he's not, it

867
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 4: will be because the options on the table weren't good

868
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 4: enough so to meet. The question is not can we

869
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 4: find programs to offer him a head coach. The question

870
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 4: is going to be is he willing to go work

871
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 4: for those programs? So yeah, yeah, I mean, if the

872
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 4: Florida State job came open, no brainer. If they offer

873
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 4: him Auburn. I think Auburn's a no brainer if they

874
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: offer him so Florida obviously. The reason I mentioned Arkansas

875
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 4: to you is because I think that's situations very untenable.

876
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: I think the Sam Pittman experiment, maybe.

877
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: In the next four months, will have run its course,

878
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 4: which again I hate one of the most likable guys

879
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 4: you can ever hope to be around. But it's not

880
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 4: going well up there right now. And I just want

881
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 4: to mention three companies. One of them is Walmart, one

882
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 4: of them is JB. Hunt Trucking Shipping, and one of

883
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: them is Tyson Chicken. And people who are listening to

884
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 4: this may not know this, but all of them are

885
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 4: located in northwest Arkansas, and that is what powers University

886
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: of Arkansas Athletics. So every now and then when you

887
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 4: see them, you just randomly go hire John Calipari away

888
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 4: from Kentucky. Well, that's how they do it. It's not

889
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: cause the program is flush with cash. It's cause there

890
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 4: are big money people hanging around saying, look, we're not

891
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 4: going to light our money on fire. But if you

892
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 4: sell us on something, there is no check big enough,

893
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 4: too big rather for us to write.

894
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: And I think they would do that.

895
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 4: For John Gruden, what you got to be able to

896
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 4: do to win in college football is you've got to

897
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: be able to hire a great staff, which I think

898
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 4: he could do. You got to be able to acquire talent,

899
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 4: which I won one hundred percent think he can do.

900
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: You got to be able to manage a cap now,

901
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 4: which he's got a ton of experience in and he'd

902
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: bring people in the building to do that. You got

903
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 4: to be able to retain players. You've got to be

904
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 4: very flexible. And this is the part where I think

905
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 4: Gruden probably would have a leg up on Belichick. The

906
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: landscape of college football has been ever changing and ever

907
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 4: turning recently, and I think he could roll with those

908
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 4: changes a lot more readily than maybe someone so set

909
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 4: in their ways. But lastly, you got to have an

910
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: infusion of juice into your fan base and your donor base.

911
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 4: When you get hired that Belichick did do that at

912
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 4: North Carolina huge, and I think John Gruden would do that,

913
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 4: And so people would turn cartwheels in Fayettville, Arkansas and Rogers,

914
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 4: Arkansas in the surrounding area if they were to go

915
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: get him. And I'm like, you like, I think it's

916
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 4: more likely than not this happens in the next year.

917
00:44:50,239 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: I just wonder where it's going to be. You know,

918
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: it's easier. I mean, I don't know Sam Pittman at

919
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: this point in times buyout, it's probably easier to get

920
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: rid of him than some of these other coaches. In

921
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: one theme, and you talked about it right before we

922
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 1: hit record, is the buyouts of these coaches has gotten

923
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: more complicated because of paying the players. I mean, I

924
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: would imagine Brian Kelly's is still massive, Lincoln Riley's is

925
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: still massive. So while you know, I think, you know,

926
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: I'll give Tony Boselli to defend him, he's probably just

927
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: a little tongue in cheap, you know, shooting the shit

928
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: with having conversation. But there is some line of truth

929
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: given that Lincoln hasn't have much success. But are they

930
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: just going to pay him sixty million dollars to go

931
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: away when you're also paying the players. Same thing with

932
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: LSU and the buyout of Brian Kelly. But at those programs,

933
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: if it does get bad enough, like if you go

934
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: seven to five one of those two teams, it would

935
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: be really, really ugly. And you talked about this all

936
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: the time, especially in the Big Ten, but specifically the

937
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: SEC is everyone thinks they're going to win nine or

938
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: ten games, and it's just there's not enough wins to

939
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: go around. Someone's gonna win us see last year, like

940
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: they easily could have won ten, but they won seven.

941
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: And it's gonna happen to one of these teams again

942
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: like Sharon Moore, like he could be way better this

943
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: year and still barely get to eight and it kind

944
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: of looks weird, you know. So I think Gruden, who knows,

945
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: maybe his options expand a little bit. But the money

946
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: thing to get these guys to write these huge fifty

947
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: million dollars a lot of money to buy a guy

948
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: out when you also got to pay the players another

949
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, right, especially when the money is real.

950
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 4: The money used to not be real, Like I mean,

951
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 4: we're we're fresh off of world where Texas A and

952
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: M looked at paying Jimbo Fishers seventy million dollars to

953
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 4: not coach, and they.

954
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: Said, Okay, yeah, we'll do that. Just insane.

955
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 4: That will never ever ever happen again. Those clauses won't

956
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 4: even be in contracts anymore, there's no way. So that's

957
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 4: a bygone era already, and that's literally three years ago.

958
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,479
Speaker 1: I believe it is the.

959
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 4: Most under talked about big story in college football right now,

960
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 4: and that is the unwillingness to fire. I mean, almost

961
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 4: every head coaches back in the SEA this year, Almost

962
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 4: every coordinator is back in the SEC this year, and

963
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 4: that's never happened before. And the reason it's not because

964
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 4: they're all great. The reason is because the standards have changed.

965
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 4: The barrier to fire someone has changed because you got

966
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 4: to pay real money. And by real money, I mean

967
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 4: everyone's all of a sudden got to adhere to a

968
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: budget because you got to pay the players. You got

969
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 4: to pay athletes twenty plus million dollars a year. And

970
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 4: so where's that going to come from? Well, it comes

971
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 4: from that endless pool that you used to spend on

972
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: water slides and fountains and buyouts, and now you got

973
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 4: to actually account for that money. And what's crazy is

974
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 4: Florida is the best example of this man. Florida is

975
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 4: still led by Billy Napier. I think Florida could be

976
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 4: a wonderful, great story this year. Could be a great team,

977
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 4: got a tough schedule, could be a great team. John

978
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 4: Billy Napier is not even the head coach of that team.

979
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: If it's five years ago, they fire him mid season

980
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 4: last year. If this is five years ago, instead they

981
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 4: retain him. He pulls the nose up, we find out

982
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 4: who DJ Lagway is. They kill it second half of

983
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 4: the year. I got empower rated as a top ten

984
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 4: caliber team coming into this year. It begs the question

985
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 4: how many coaches got fired one year too early in

986
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 4: the history of college football? And now how many more offenses, defenses,

987
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: et cetera. Programs in general will reap the benefit of

988
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 4: money being real and they're guys being retained and being

989
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 4: given more length of rope because they can't afford to

990
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 4: be fired. Now, the follow up to that is, what

991
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 4: if your program's totally dead in the water, what if

992
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 4: you freeze? Is six and six again this year at Auburn.

993
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 4: Auburn is a place that's had a ton of churn.

994
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: They're still playing. They're still paying Brian Harson. By the way,

995
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 4: what if the program's just dead on arrival, recruiting class

996
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 4: falls apart, no one wants to be there. What do

997
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 4: you do do you spend that kind of money again,

998
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 4: because Freeze has got a big buy out and you're

999
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 4: going to have the Natives with torches and pitchforks outside

1000
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 4: the gates, like, what are you doing with our program?

1001
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: We got to make a move. We got to make

1002
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 4: a move. Well, you got to spend money to make

1003
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 4: that move. You got to spend sixty million to fire someone,

1004
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 4: you got to spend seventy million to go get a

1005
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 4: new staff. You still got to pay the players. And

1006
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 4: that's the that's the catch twenty two. Everybody's dealing with

1007
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 4: this now, and I don't I just don't think it's

1008
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 4: being talked about.

1009
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: It's not being picked up enough on the radar yet.

1010
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: Well I'll give you one. I mean, the standard at

1011
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: LSU was to win a national championship. I mean, they

1012
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: had three coaches in this decade. They've all won national championships.

1013
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, and the worst one of the three had

1014
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: the best team of the three in at Ojeron, But

1015
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: I mean the Brian Kelly thing, the floor felt so high.

1016
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: Even if it's like, oh, he's never even if you

1017
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: told me he never won a Natty, I'd be like,

1018
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: he's going to have a bunch of like ten to

1019
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: eleven win seasons, and it's like, what if they win

1020
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: eight this year. I mean, you just look at the

1021
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: schedule every year in the SEC. We saw last year

1022
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: a couple of games they just fell apart. You'd probably

1023
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: have a better feel for the roster. But everyone I've

1024
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: known Doug nuss Meyer for twenty years, his son has become,

1025
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: i mean, one of the better quarterbacks in the country,

1026
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: a really, really good player. We know the roster's always loaded,

1027
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: but like I watched that SEC show, I'm like, there

1028
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: is a chance. And I've always believed this. Regions in

1029
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: college football matter in terms of where you're coaching and

1030
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 1: where you're from. Urban wasn't out like or Urban could

1031
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: have coached in Alaska and won national championships. But most guys,

1032
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: Southern guys thrive in the south West Coast guys have

1033
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: thrived historically in the West Coast. The northeast guys, it's

1034
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: like kind of a it's hard to be an outsider

1035
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: in the South when you're not winning, and it feels

1036
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: like Brian Kelly, like, what if they go eight nine

1037
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: wins and don't make the playoffs this year? Obviously the

1038
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: money thing, like you just factored in, but that would

1039
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 1: be it'd be a colossal failure so far. Correct.

1040
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think the two most alarming things about

1041
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 4: Kelly entering this year at LSU is we're coming off

1042
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 4: a year where they couldn't run the ball, they couldn't

1043
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: play defense. So to go back to your initial point,

1044
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 4: if you were to tell me he's not going to

1045
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 4: win a national title, Okay, at least they're going to

1046
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 4: be able to run the ball and play good defense.

1047
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 4: They did neither of those last year. So it's kind

1048
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 4: of slid further and further away from what you would

1049
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 4: think the identity of a Brian Kelly team would be.

1050
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 4: All right, let me tell you what happened with him

1051
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 4: at LSU. Give me like two minutes on this. When

1052
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 4: he got to LSU. Yeah, he was an outside so

1053
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 4: was Nick Saban. When he got to LSU. Saban understood

1054
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 4: the importance of harnessing Louisiana it's a first ten priorities

1055
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 4: on his to do list. Fill this building with people

1056
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 4: who know Louisiana. Fill my staff with people who can

1057
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: recruit Louisiana. Put a fence up around Louisiana, and just

1058
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 4: keep all the talent in state and will win a title.

1059
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what they did, and they won a title.

1060
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 4: Brian Kelly came in and I'm told he's been pretty

1061
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: remorseful about this internally since then. He came in and

1062
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was Ego, I don't know

1063
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 4: if it was Hubris, I don't know what it was.

1064
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 4: He viewed his way, his formula to win as a

1065
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 4: formula that can be copied and pasted anywhere. And it's

1066
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: not so much about fitting, it's not so much about

1067
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 4: unique geographical culture.

1068
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: What one at Notre Dame will win at LSU.

1069
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 4: And he got to the point where it was almost like,

1070
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: you want to bet, you want to test my theory,

1071
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 4: watch and see, and he flushed the program of Louisiana influence.

1072
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 4: He flushed a lot of people out of that building

1073
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 4: that were from Louisiana, some of it just for the

1074
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 4: sake of doing it. And so what happens when you

1075
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: do that. If you win, no one will care. But

1076
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 4: the moment that it doesn't take off like a forest fire,

1077
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 4: you are going to be the absolute scorn of everybody

1078
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 4: on every message board, every talk radio show, because they know,

1079
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 4: they know, because people from Louisiana when they get fired,

1080
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: they're still in Louisiana and they talk. And so they

1081
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: had a program that was regressing year over year, and

1082
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: they had none of their people in the building hardly,

1083
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 4: and so what happened is administratively, even above his head,

1084
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 4: he was sort of given an ultimatum, you better course

1085
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 4: correct this. And there were certain non negotiables. Now I'll

1086
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 4: tell you. One of them was Austin Thomas coming in

1087
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: as his general manager. And people don't need to know

1088
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 4: who that name is, but I'm telling you he's one

1089
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 4: of the best gems in the country. Came back there

1090
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 4: from Old Miss He is a Louisiana guy. I'm in

1091
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: that building at least once or twice a year. There

1092
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 4: are people from Louisiana and that building. Again, they hired

1093
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 4: a great defensive staff last year, sort of what Lincoln

1094
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 4: did at LSU.

1095
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: It just takes a year or two.

1096
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: So I think they've made the right moves. I think

1097
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 4: he's made the right moves. I think there's a very

1098
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 4: very striking parallel between the trajectory of Brian Kelly's LSU

1099
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: and the trajectory of Lincoln Riley's USC. They made poor

1100
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 4: decisions hiring at the outset, they suffered the consequences.

1101
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: They course correct two or three or four years in.

1102
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 4: The big story is are they going to be given

1103
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 4: time to let that new root system take because you

1104
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 4: are in very short supply of patients in this sport

1105
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 4: four years into your tenure, and that's not even unfair.

1106
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 4: It's not unfair for those to be the expectations at

1107
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 4: USC or LSU. So that's what happened at LSU, and

1108
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 4: they're still trying to get back on track from that.

1109
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: Do you think them you know, Alabama, I think the

1110
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: ad last year, remember you put out that tweet like

1111
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: basically asking for money. They can get talent coming there,

1112
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: but now with the financial they just have some limitations

1113
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: that maybe some bigger fight schools with bigger boosters with

1114
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: more money maybe don't have. Are they losing guys that

1115
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: they used to when we go you walked out to

1116
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: an LSU practice ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, they probably

1117
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: two deep NFL guys. Now, that backup goes, well, if

1118
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: someone paid me seven hundred grand and Brian Kelly's like,

1119
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, I got to allocate my money. It's

1120
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: a little more complicated. Do you think that has impacted Alabama?

1121
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: And obviously LSU the last couple of years of roster

1122
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: hard for them to financially compete with just other schools

1123
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: that might have an enormous billionaire booster behind them.

1124
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be honest with you, I think it's overblown

1125
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 4: as a story. It exists, I'm telling you, I'm not

1126
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 4: denying it exists. I know the particulars in some of

1127
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 4: these recruitments, in some of these portal moves, and it's

1128
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 4: not it's not so much highest bidder every time. In fact,

1129
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 4: a lot of times it's not highest bidder. I know

1130
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 4: the layering that goes into a lot of these decisions,

1131
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 4: and sometimes it is just flat out a billionaire came in,

1132
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 4: put it on the table, Okay, we gotta bow out.

1133
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 4: It's just really really overstated as the core tenant and

1134
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 4: a lot of this and I will also so say

1135
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 4: some of the feedback I've gotten from gms and player

1136
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 4: personnel types, not even in the SEC, but about the

1137
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 4: SEC over the past couple of weeks talking to him,

1138
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 4: is the rev Share stuff that everyone thinks won't hold

1139
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 4: up in court, has more teeth in it.

1140
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 1: Right now.

1141
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 4: That decision has more teeth than people are claiming it does.

1142
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that it's going to be blanketly adhered to.

1143
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 4: But what I want to do is I want to

1144
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: give myself another twelve to twenty four months now that

1145
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: this new system, this new way of doing things is

1146
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 4: in place, because I think what we're going to see

1147
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 4: is I think we're going to see that talking point

1148
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 4: you talked about decrease a little bit, and I do

1149
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 4: think we'll probably head to more of just a straight

1150
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 4: up red share era, which is notable given the program

1151
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: you're talking about. Because the last time I was at LSU,

1152
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 4: I was sitting in Brian Kelly's office and he looked

1153
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 4: me in the eye and said, I cannot wait until

1154
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 4: we get to this new era, and his fingers crossed.

1155
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: He's saying, I hope it's what they present it as.

1156
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 4: I hope that the players get the money, but I

1157
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 4: hope that we all have roughly the same thing to

1158
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 4: offer in red share calls. At that point, it's back

1159
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 4: in my wheelhouse. I love evaluation, I love development, I

1160
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 4: love that being what college football is about. I love

1161
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 4: knowing my guys are going to be in the building

1162
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 4: two or three years. So I can just say if

1163
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 4: we steer towards that harbor, by his own words, it's

1164
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 4: what he claims he wants, we'll see if they get

1165
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 4: it done, you.

1166
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: Know, speaking outsiders debor. Obviously what he did at Washington,

1167
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: and he was a shooting star and it was incredibly

1168
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: took him to the national championshould be Texas. But he's

1169
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: not a Southern guy, honestly. I mean, he spent most

1170
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: of his career in the Dakotas, Right, so you come

1171
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: to Alabama, you couldn't turn down that job. But it's

1172
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not easy to replace the guy like that.

1173
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a one of one. It's like replacing

1174
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: John Wooden or something. So I mean by early last year,

1175
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: people were complaining about what he wore on game day. Right,

1176
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: he wasn't wearing a collared shirt. He's wearing a T

1177
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: shirt under his pullover. What's that rope? Right there. I mean,

1178
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: what do we have to do this year to kind

1179
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: of because it could exponentially speed up an anger behind

1180
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: that if all of a sudden they win eight nine games,

1181
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: they're not in the playoffs this year.

1182
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 4: Right.

1183
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is the war. I like him,

1184
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, I'm rooting for him.

1185
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 4: The wardrobe thing last year, I can't help but remember

1186
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 4: they lost to Vandy and he was wearing like a

1187
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 4: jumpsuit on the sideline. Everyone hated it. They go blow

1188
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 4: out LSU wear in the same jumpsuit. No one says

1189
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: a word about his wardrobe. So it's just so funny

1190
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 4: to watch that unfold last year. Listen, Kaitlin de Bor's

1191
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 4: a stud. He is the absolute right guy for that job.

1192
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 4: I don't think he gave two seconds of thought to

1193
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 4: I'm replacing a legend. I mean, I've talked to him

1194
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 4: about this several times. He'll look you straight in the eye,

1195
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 4: and if you're off the record, he'll shoot straight with you.

1196
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: It was not so much can I replace Nick Saban?

1197
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 4: In fact, a lot of the type A one percenters

1198
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 4: don't think like that.

1199
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: Now, dude.

1200
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 4: They look in the mirror and say, I may be

1201
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 4: the best to ever do it. Like, for all I know,

1202
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 4: I may be the best to ever do it if

1203
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 4: I'm put in the right situation. I don't care who

1204
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 4: I'm replacing. And he doesn't say it that arrogantly. I'm

1205
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 4: sort of speaking for him here, But de boy didn't

1206
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: look at Alabama and say, can I replace?

1207
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: Save it? He looked and said, am I going to

1208
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: be given everything I need?

1209
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 4: Because a lot of times when you're replacing a legend,

1210
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 4: the reason that doesn't work is the legend hung on

1211
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: too long and so you're having a take on a

1212
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 4: rebuild project with unfair expectations. Well, he may have high

1213
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 4: expectations there, but he inherited a world class program. I mean,

1214
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 4: that's one or one A right now in college football.

1215
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, dude, they stepped into a hurricane

1216
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 4: last year, and no one was going to feel sorry

1217
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 4: for him because it was Alabama. But I'm very privy

1218
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 4: to some of the things they dealt with a year ago,

1219
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 4: and it was what an eight win season, nine win season, whatever.

1220
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 4: I always viewed it through the prism of twenty twenty five,

1221
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 4: and I think they'll be really good this year. And

1222
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 4: I more importantly think you need to look like Ohio

1223
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 4: State last year has all these dudes that forego the

1224
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 4: draft and they don't leave via the portal even though

1225
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 4: there are bigger offers.

1226
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: Well that's Bama. This year. They got a lot of

1227
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: guys probably second.

1228
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 4: Third round grades, could have made twice the money elsewhere

1229
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 4: in the portal if they wanted to stay in college.

1230
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: They all stayed there.

1231
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 4: Point being, when you take over a job by your

1232
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 4: second year in modern college football, three transfer portal cycles

1233
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 4: have come and gone. So everyone who's still there wants

1234
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 4: to be there. Everyone who's still there is your guy,

1235
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 4: so you can push them last year in spring. They

1236
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 4: will never admit this publicly. They had to actively back

1237
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 4: off how they pushed guys in spring because they knew

1238
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 4: we just took over this job.

1239
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,439
Speaker 1: A lot of these dudes are saving dudes. They're looking

1240
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: for the exit door.

1241
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 4: We've got a post spring portal window we have to

1242
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 4: worry about. So yeah, man, we want to install all

1243
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 4: our stuff. We want to go balls to the wall,

1244
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 4: but we got to be careful because we got to

1245
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 4: have a team to put on the field this fall.

1246
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 4: That's just the reality of college football. Now a year later,

1247
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 4: they're not dealing with that at all. I think they

1248
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: in Georgia, I think have the two best coaching staffs

1249
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 4: in the league. And I think everyone knows that about Georgia.

1250
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 4: I'm not sure everyone thinks that yet about Alabama, but

1251
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 4: I would.

1252
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: Because Grubs back, so he got his boy back, he.

1253
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 4: Got him back, and he's got I mean, Caine Womack

1254
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 4: was a former head coach who they took on his

1255
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator, and Kane Walmack's done a really good job.

1256
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 4: But I mean, they've mo linguist coaching DB's there. It's

1257
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 4: just a they got really really good staffers. They got

1258
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 4: one of the best stream the conditioning staffs in the country.

1259
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 4: So I would be shocked if they're not in the

1260
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 4: mix this year. But if I'm wrong and they're not

1261
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 4: in the mix, you're right, You're right and rightfully so

1262
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 4: there will be angst and anger and bitterness down there.

1263
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 4: You cannot take the handoff from Nick Saban with the

1264
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 4: program as Pristine's it still is and failed to make

1265
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 4: playoffs two years in a row.

1266
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: You just can't do that. So, of LSU and Alabama,

1267
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: who do you feel more confident is going to be

1268
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: one of the twelve teams in the playoffs. Bama. I

1269
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 1: think Bama is a better team.

1270
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 4: I trust their balance more offensively, I like them along

1271
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 4: the lines of scrimmage a little bit better. I think

1272
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 4: you may be looking at the best wide receiver dB

1273
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 4: Combo in the league in Alabama, if not one of

1274
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 4: in the conte And I just Garrett Nussmeyer I.

1275
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: Am higher on as a quarterback because I've seen him

1276
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: do it.

1277
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: But I think Bama and the aggregate can get plenty

1278
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 4: good enough offensive production. I just there's some stuff about

1279
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 4: LSU from a transfer, portal infusion standpoint and having a

1280
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 4: front loaded schedule. They got to come out of the

1281
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 4: gate hot, and I have not seen them do it

1282
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 4: under Brian Kelly.

1283
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: It's been a chronic issue for them. And I think I.

1284
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 4: Counted four or five losable games they have before Halloween.

1285
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: So they have to.

1286
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 4: Take all these new pieces, and I mean I'm hearing

1287
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 4: very mixed reviews offensive line out of fall camp.

1288
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: That's what fall camp is for, So it's not the

1289
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: end of the world.

1290
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 4: I think I feel a little more confident in Bama

1291
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 4: right now.

1292
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: So if we just pulled people in the South, you know,

1293
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 1: Texas would feel like a lock to go to the playoffs.

1294
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: I'd say most people pick Georgia. Is that fair to

1295
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: be a playoff versation?

1296
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Speaker 4: I would say Texas Georgia some combo of one to

1297
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 4: Bama LSU, some combo of.

1298
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: Three to four. So I mean they're gonna be teams

1299
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: like South Carolina. You know, Florida's got some my hopes. Yeah,

1300
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about the quarterback situation. I

1301
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: watched the SEC Show, and I didn't watch that much

1302
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: South Carolina last year. Obviously you can see Sellers big

1303
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: time athlete. His story about getting injured kind of makes

1304
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,919
Speaker 1: some sense how he ends up in South Carolina. I mean, DJ,

1305
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: you felt like I was hearing about this guy and

1306
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: I'm not even a die hard recruiting guy sixteen years old.

1307
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a highly touted, big time player. You

1308
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: know that John Mattier. So from a quarterback standpoint, you

1309
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: know DJ Lagway, all of a sudden, if he is fantastic,

1310
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: that team could be nine to ten wins. Yes, they

1311
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: played the toughest schedule in the country and could still

1312
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: do that.

1313
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 4: You are you are hitting on what I think is

1314
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 4: the biggest story in that league, and that is for

1315
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 4: the first time in a long time, the Tier two

1316
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 4: of the SEC consists of like half a dozen teams

1317
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 4: that could reasonably win the conference. They have varying degrees

1318
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 4: of percentage chance to win the conference that you never

1319
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 4: would have said five or six years ago. You're talking

1320
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 4: about Florida. There, Florida A DJ Lagway has a chance

1321
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 4: to be the best player in the country this year.

1322
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: Is that talented, He's that skilled his deep.

1323
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,479
Speaker 4: Ball accuracy on top of just the athleticism he gives

1324
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,919
Speaker 4: you with his legs. If he can stay healthy, which

1325
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 4: is the biggest concern in Gainsville right now. He's had

1326
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 4: shoulder and calf issues. If he can stay healthy, that

1327
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 4: can be an electric offense. And I'll tell you this, man,

1328
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 4: You think about that and you think, ooh, Florida electric

1329
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 4: offense score forty five a week.

1330
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't come out of the gatehot. The follow

1331
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: up to Florida.

1332
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 4: The reason I believe in him as being more than

1333
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 4: just some paper tiger type pretender is they could win

1334
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 4: a game twenty one nineteen the first few weeks of

1335
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 4: the season if they need to. They're great along the

1336
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 4: lines of scrimmage. They got really good tailback and offensive

1337
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,439
Speaker 4: lined up, defensive person up front.

1338
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: Seven matches up with anyone in the conference.

1339
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 4: So if DJ is not red hot on fire out

1340
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 4: of the game, I think they'll be Okay. I picked

1341
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 4: him a tier to win the Heisman, So that's how

1342
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 4: high I am on John Mattier at Oklahoma. I think

1343
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 4: he will fundamentally transform what they do. You're gonna have

1344
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 4: some folks watch highlights of him in practice. They're gonna say, Ooh,

1345
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 4: I don't like that arm angle, I don't like that release.

1346
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 4: Look at the lack of quality of competition he played

1347
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 4: last year, all notable.

1348
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you I think he's going to be

1349
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: a stud.

1350
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 4: I think he had like eight hundred something yards rushing

1351
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 4: last year, and it's his arm talent I'm most impressed with.

1352
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 4: So he's a true dual threat. A and M will

1353
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 4: not be what I just said at quarterback. There'll be

1354
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 4: a lot better in the vertical passing game. But they

1355
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 4: will be a team that makes no mistake what their

1356
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 4: identity is. They're going to run the ball on you.

1357
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 4: They're going to run the ball some more. Mike Elko's

1358
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 4: got both hands around the throat of that defense. After

1359
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 4: the way they finished last year. He will not allow

1360
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 4: that to be a repeat issue. They're gonna play ugly football.

1361
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 4: It will not be aesthetically pleasing, but that's the kind

1362
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,160
Speaker 4: of team that just hangs a ten and two on

1363
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 4: you out of nowhere because they brutalized everyone.

1364
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: I also love.

1365
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 4: That recruiting in college football in general has had to

1366
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 4: account for up tempos.

1367
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: Spread.

1368
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 4: Your linebackers are smaller, your defensive personnel and the aggregate

1369
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 4: is smaller. And every now and then someone just throws

1370
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 4: out an offensive line that averages three hundred and thirty

1371
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 4: across the front and three tailbacks who were bruisers, and

1372
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 4: they take advantage of that. That's what A and M

1373
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 4: can do this year. South Carolina. Yeah, there were nine

1374
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 4: to three last year. Dude, they're two plays away from

1375
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 4: eleven to one last year.

1376
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: I know they got to watch that SEC show. They

1377
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 1: easially could have beat LSU. They got the shaft in

1378
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: that game. Man.

1379
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 4: I'm not one to throw officials under the bus, but

1380
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 4: they got the shaft in that game. But here's the problem.

1381
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 4: We had Beamer on the show in the spring and

1382
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 4: I said, does your building have a firm grasp? That

1383
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 4: as great as last year was. They don't get to

1384
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 4: carry any of that over. Like momentum is so stupid

1385
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,360
Speaker 4: college football people talk about carrying momentum over year to year.

1386
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: It's fake. It doesn't exist. You start zero and zero

1387
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: in the fall.

1388
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 4: And they got to replace a lot of wide recis

1389
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 4: you were talent a five NFL departures from the from

1390
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 4: the defense, and they recruit Okay, they don't recruit at

1391
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 4: the level where they just seamlessly backfill that stuff. But

1392
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 4: they could have the best quarterback in the country in

1393
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 4: Leonora Sellers. So there's I didn't even mention Tennessee here.

1394
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 4: I didn't mention like Tennessee or I.

1395
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: Wanted to hit on Oklahoma with you because Jeohn Matier,

1396
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people are high on him

1397
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: bringing his offensive coordinator. I went to the Oklahoma Texas

1398
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: game and Oklahoma's defense is actually pretty good. And they

1399
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: were in that game at halftime and then unraveled on

1400
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,439
Speaker 1: offense and the score looked bad. But their defense is good.

1401
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: Their coach knows what he's doing on defense. Offense was

1402
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: a joke, the Arnold thing. Now he's at Auburn. They

1403
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,919
Speaker 1: are really high on job Matier. They had a bunch

1404
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: of injuries last year right to wide receivers, an offensive

1405
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: linemen could Oklahoma because a lot of people said, like

1406
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: Texas is going to make the transition easier than Oklahoma.

1407
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: It kind of overwhelmed Oklahoma a little bit. But clearly

1408
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: they are higher on this team going into this season

1409
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: than they have been on previous from a talent standpoint,

1410
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: starting with quarterback, where Oklahoma historically has been pretty damn

1411
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: good at that position right the last twenty five years.

1412
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, you saw a team last year that had

1413
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 4: a fatal flaw. You didn't see a team that was

1414
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 4: fatally flawed. You saw a team that made a poor

1415
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 4: hired offensive coordinator, a quarterback never got off the ground,

1416
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 4: and a top twenty defense got wasted, and a lot

1417
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 4: of wide receiver injuries impeded them.

1418
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: So they did what they needed to do.

1419
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,200
Speaker 4: They just they put Briton Fvnnables back call in plays defensively.

1420
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,959
Speaker 1: Brent Vinnables has no business being a CEO type head coach.

1421
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 4: He ought to be a guy who delegates offensively, and

1422
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 4: in this case, they went and hired their new quarterback's

1423
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 4: former offensive coordinator. So that's a great package deal and

1424
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,600
Speaker 4: he will have his hands on that defense due that

1425
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 4: conservatively should be a top fifteen defense this year. Underreported

1426
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 4: is the fact that they also went to Cal and

1427
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 4: got Jayden Ott at running back and no one's talking

1428
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 4: about him because of Jommeteer. So they got good tailback talent,

1429
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 4: they got excellent quarterback talent. Side of a kid named

1430
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 4: Dion Burks who they took from Purdue last year, would

1431
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 4: have blown up last year had he not gotten hurt.

1432
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 4: Outside of him, they retooled that wide receiver room. That's

1433
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 4: what they had to do. So, dude, Oklahoma is a

1434
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 4: top ten caliber team and I don't care who doesn't

1435
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 4: know that because they'll play Michigan in Auburn the first

1436
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 4: four weeks of the year, I think, and you'll see

1437
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 4: they have an egregious road game at Temple.

1438
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: By the way, I have no idea what they're doing.

1439
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 4: They go to Temple, not on Sunday, not synagogue, like

1440
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 4: they literally go to Temple to play a football game.

1441
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 4: But outside of that, John, I think they're going to

1442
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 4: be undefeated when they play Texas in the Red River Game,

1443
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 4: and I think by that point everyone's attention will be

1444
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 4: all O you. They next to Florida have the second

1445
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 4: toughest schedule to me in the country. Both of those

1446
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 4: teams are equipped, I think, to navigate that and be

1447
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 4: in contention. And you got to think if either of

1448
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 4: those teams can go nine and three, that's the kind

1449
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 4: of schedule that you can get in the playoffs.

1450
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: Going nine and three against Okay, I'll get you out

1451
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: of here on this. A guy who became star would

1452
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: be strong. But I mean a household name in the

1453
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 1: SEC was James Franklin. He went to Penn State and

1454
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: less I had a lot of money on them against

1455
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: Notre Dame and he throws that pass across his body

1456
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: and that team, that team was really good, and this

1457
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: team is supposed to be just as good. I mean

1458
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 1: the clips of Lavara Arrington's true freshman son. You're like,

1459
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: this guy looks exactly like Michael Parsons and Adilad Carter.

1460
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 1: Where do they find these guys. There's no disputing James

1461
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: is an elite recruiter, especially he's an offensive guy, and

1462
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: he dominates defensive recruiting. Offensively, they got a quarterback that

1463
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: got a good offensive coordinator. I know I've heard you

1464
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,080
Speaker 1: talk a lot about this. If not now then when

1465
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 1: not even just winning the national championship, but just winning

1466
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: some of these big games, beating Oregon, beating Ohio State.

1467
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: You know, they don't get that much credit right there.

1468
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: Two playoff wins last year because they weren't against a

1469
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: Tennessee An Alabama. They were against SMU and Boise State

1470
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: and then they played Notre Dame and they lost. So

1471
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: what you know these programs, you know, these coaches, what's

1472
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: your take on Penn State going into this year? Unfair?

1473
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: Like crazy because they're gonna be viewed as like in

1474
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Alabama, Georgia's like almost like national championship

1475
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: or bus and the guy's never even beat a team

1476
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: in the top five. Yeah, it's so crazy.

1477
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 4: Again, if we were to take a casual NFL man

1478
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 4: who kind of sort of watches college, they would think

1479
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 4: if you told them James Franklin had douters going into

1480
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 4: last year, Penn State had dowters going into last year,

1481
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 4: they would think, oh, they made the semi finals.

1482
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,080
Speaker 1: Obviously that quieted the doubters, right.

1483
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 4: No, No, every hater who was there is still there

1484
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 4: because the haters said, you can't beat the big teams,

1485
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 4: and you can't win a national title. And they got

1486
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,560
Speaker 4: a shot at Ohio State they lost. They got a

1487
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 4: shot against Oregon in the Big Ten title game, they lost.

1488
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 4: They win two playoff games against teams you're never going

1489
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 4: to get credit for beating an SMU and Boise, and

1490
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 4: the second they face off against Notre Dame they lose.

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Speaker 4: So they're all still there. I got to tell you, man,

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Speaker 4: they are not shying away from this stuff up there,

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Speaker 4: like we're gonna I was talking to them two days

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Speaker 4: ago and they are.

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Speaker 1: They are very bullish on this team.

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Speaker 4: They are very bullish that they hit on their wide

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Speaker 4: receiver acquisitions out of the portal, which is where they've lacked.

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Speaker 4: They have not had difference makers at that position. I

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Speaker 4: can tell you talking to defensive people in the Big Ten,

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Speaker 4: no one fears Penn State beating them by throwing the football.

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Speaker 4: And if that is different this year, that's the big change.

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Speaker 4: It's not Drew Aller magically becomes a better player. I

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01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 4: kind of think he is who he is by this point.

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Speaker 4: Does he have better talent out wide to throw the

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Speaker 4: ball to. I mean, you've got a backfield, you're not

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Speaker 4: going to have the tight end production that you had,

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Speaker 4: so you got to have good wide receiver production. If

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Speaker 4: they can do that. They got two thousand yard tailbacks.

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Speaker 4: They're probably nine deep on their offensive line. It's one

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Speaker 4: of the deepest overall units in power for right now.

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Speaker 4: They got Jim Knowles from Ohio State. They went and

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Speaker 4: got a kid, Amory Campbell, I believe, from North Carolina.

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Speaker 4: You're not going to hear anyone talk about him. He

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Speaker 4: is a home run out of the portal. They're going

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Speaker 4: to green dot him. They will actually have him call

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Speaker 4: plays defensively this year in all likelihoods. So they've got

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Speaker 4: good defensive person they got good offensive personnel. The question

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Speaker 4: is are they still a seven or are they a

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Speaker 4: nine and a half? Like if they're a seven, good

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Speaker 4: solid team, probably no more capable of.

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Speaker 1: Doing anything more than they've done the last few years.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's like fractions of inches them and Clemson both.

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Speaker 1: It's fractions of inches that it takes to go from

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Speaker 1: being good to great, And there's no way to know that.

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Speaker 4: You can't even I'm gonna go out there watching practice

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Speaker 4: later next week.

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Speaker 1: I think I won't know.

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Speaker 4: You don't know until they play, and they don't play

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Speaker 4: anyone until really Oregon in week five, and candidly they.

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Speaker 1: Should win that game.

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Speaker 4: Oregon's taking a new quarterback into Happy Valley, Penn State

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Speaker 4: I think has got to buy before that week. Oregon's

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Speaker 4: got to travel across the country not rested. If they

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Speaker 4: don't even win that game, I don't know how you

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Speaker 4: convinced me that anything's changed.

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Speaker 1: Well, if we were doing a draft of like playoff locks,

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Speaker 1: would Penn State make it pass like two dud? It's

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Speaker 1: gotta be them? How do they miss? I mean they're

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Speaker 1: a playoff lock, right, I mean that's what they feel like.

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Speaker 1: So can they get it done? Well? Josh, enjoy you

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Speaker 1: going to a lot of training camps coming up.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna try and hit Oregon and Bama and Penn

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